Re: Newsweek Poll: Campaign 2004

[The Fool]

> From: Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Robert wrote:
> 
> > Kerry Leads Dems With 30 Percent; Edwards Follows at 13 Percent; Dean
> > Slips, Even With Clark at 12 Percent
> > 52 Percent of Voters Don't Want to See Bush Re-Elected (44% Do), 37
> > Percent Strongly Want to See Him Re-Elected, 47 Percent Strongly Do
> > Not But a Large Majority (78%) Says That it is Very Likely (40%) or
> > Somewhat Likely (38%) That he Will Get a Second Term
> 
> To be honest, after one look at Edwards tonight, I think he's the guy. 
He 
> seems to be in line with core liberal values and he's from the South,
but 
> best of allhe seems to have "it".  I also heard tonight that he can
work a 
> room _beter_ than Clinton.  High praise indeed.

<>
"
Asked Saturday for specifics about the negative attacks, Dean pointed to
a book distributed by North Carolina Sen. John Edwards' campaign that
instructed supporters how to attack other candidates during the caucuses.
For example, it told campaign captains in Iowa to describe Dean as an
``elitist from Park Avenue in New York City.'' 
"

Dirty tricks from a dirty campaigner who pretends to be clean.
 
> I don't think Kerry's Presidential material, just cant warm to the guy.

> Dean will be gone very soon, thank goodness.

Don't bet on it.  Kerry's out of money, and so is edwards.  And Kerry
fell 7 points in the nh tracking poll 1 day while dean rose 4 points.
 
> I do believe there's hope after all.

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2 for 2 !! NASA Successfully Lands Second Rover on Mars

[Gary Nunn]

NASA Successfully Lands Second Rover on Mars; Scientists 'Blown Away' by
Pictures of Red Planet

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040125_447.html



Opportunity images from the NASA site. It is running slooow. I
am sure they are getting hammered.
There are some interesting pictures from the panoramic camera.

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/opportunity.html

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Re: The Sparrow

[Julia Thompson]

Doug Pensinger wrote:
> 
> Julia wrote:
> 
> > She also has never been pregnant.  There's something that a character in
> > that book does while pregnant, and in a book discussion I participated
> > in sometime before I got pregnant, someone who *had* borne a child or
> > two pointed out that that rang false, and I remember sometime during my
> > first pregnancy thinking about it and yeah, *I* might have done it while
> > not pregnant, but sure as heck not *during* a pregnancy.  (Now I've
> > forgotten what it was, I just remember the reactions.  I do that
> > sometimes -- forget what the detail *was*, but remember the reaction.)
> 
> Like leading a charge against the predatory species chanting we are many,
> they are few?  

I think that was it.  It's been awhile since I last read it, and a lot
has happened since.

> The only other thing I can think of is when, after one of
> the party Sandoz was particularly fond of, she put his hand to her belly
> to feel the child kicking .

That's not at all out of line.  It's really fun to see the reaction in
people's faces when they feel a baby kick like that.  :)
 
> Have you read the sequal?

Yes, and it's been awhile for *that* as well, but I recommend it
*highly*.

(I also recommend that if you get the opportunity, meet the author. 
I've said that about a number of authors, though, haven't I?)

Julia
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Toddler Television

[Gary Nunn]

Watching my son, who is just over 2 1/2, it occurs to me he is
significantly more advanced than my daughter was at this age. I think
that my daughter and son were both winners of the genetic lottery when
it comes to intelligence, and I think they are fairly evenly matched in
that area.  Looking back, the major difference is what they have been
watching on TV.

Before I go any farther, and before someone jumps on this, I DON'T make
it habit to make the TV a babysitter. I do  monitor how much they watch
TV and what they are watching. Now, having said that

The major differences are that my daughter grew up watching Barney and
Big Comfy Couch, and my son has grown up watching Blue's Clues and The
Wiggles.

I don't think he is doing anything that any other average 2 year is not
capable of. 

His biggest TV influence has been Blue's Clues. I did a little research
as well as watch a documentary about the show and apparently they take 8
to 10 months to create every episode. That includes the research,
writing, sign offs by several child psychologists and then children that
are their test audience. Also, they air the same episode every day for
one week to give the target age group repetition that helps them retain
what they are watching.

The other influential show is an Australian show called The Wiggles. The
first time I saw this show I would have bet money that they were just
the human version of the TeleTubbies - questionable sexuality and all.
However, after actually watching a few episodes (with an open mind),
they have some brilliant musical talent as well as some great children
singers and dancers. If I am not mistaken, most (if not all) of the
children on the show are kids of the cast and crew. I don't know if my
son is attracted to this show because he is musically inclined, of if
this show has been influential in helping that talent develop - or both
or neither :-)


Gary

Just some Sunday morning thoughts as I sit here and watch the snow storm
develop that is about to dump 7 inches of snow on us as well as a
coating of ice on top of that.


PS - It is a good thing I actually read over these mails before I send
them. I just noticed that I accidentally pasted a term concerning "organ
size enhancement" (not the actual term!) into the subject line.  Just
before I wrote this, I was adding to my Mailwasher filters and still had
that one very descriptive term in the Windows clipboard. How
embarrassing that could have been !






 

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Re: Toddler Television

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 12:05 PM 1/25/04, Gary Nunn wrote:



Just some Sunday morning thoughts as I sit here and watch the snow storm
develop that is about to dump 7 inches of snow on us as well as a
coating of ice on top of that.


Where are you? . . . and I hope you are not planning to send it this way . . .



PS - It is a good thing I actually read over these mails before I send
them. I just noticed that I accidentally pasted a term concerning "organ
size enhancement" (not the actual term!) into the subject line.  Just
before I wrote this, I was adding to my Mailwasher filters and still had
that one very descriptive term in the Windows clipboard. How
embarrassing that could have been !


You obviously haven't paid much attention to some of the past messages 
posted to this list . . .



-- Ronn!  :)

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Brin-L archives searchable - a real life example.

[Gary Nunn]

This is an absolutely perfect example of why you should be careful and
thoughtful about what you post to any archived mailing list.

We have discussed the consequences of having the Brin-L archive (or any
archived mailing list) searchable in the past, but let me share with you
a real life situation where the contents of one of my posts was cut and
interpreted by someone on the internet that I don't know.

During a test of Google and other search engines, I used my email
address as a search term. I ran across a handful of hits from the
mccmedia/Brin-L archives, but I also ran across a comment on someone's
blog about a post of mine that they found in a search.

Apparently, someone wanted to register a domain name that my humble
little company had already registered. He mentioned on his blog that
someone had already registered it.  One of his blog readers looked it up
in WHOIS, found my name and email address and did a web search on them.
They ran across one of my Brin-L postings about the question of turning
Auschwitz into a museum or memorial.  They quoted my posting, name,
email address and hometown in this persons blog, and now it is out there
for anyone to find anytime.  Fortunately, my copied post was not
entirely out of context, but this person, not having read the entire
thread, made some assumptions and comments. This could have very easily
been copied and commented on completely out of the intended context.

Check out the blog here:
http://amish.blogmosis.com/archives/015617.html

No harm done this time, but I believe that this is an excellent example
of what we have discussed in the past about potential employers doing a
search and finding posts or information about you online that may be
taken out of context.

Additionally, this is a very good example of why registering a domain
name and using a proxy company to insure privacy is the way of the
future. An example:  http://tinyurl.com/2ncwj
As some of my domains become active, we have them listed like this for
security and privacy. (If anyone is interested in this, don't use this
company, email me offlist and I'll point you to much better pricing)


Gary








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RE: Toddler Television

[Gary Nunn]

> Where are you? . . . and I hope you are not planning to send 
> it this way . . .

Delaware Ohio, about 15 minutes north of Columbus.  So far, we have no
snow, but the radar looks nasty.


> You obviously haven't paid much attention to some of the past 
> messages 
> posted to this list . . .
> -- Ronn!  :)

Do you mean my posts specifically or just in general ?  I have made a
concentrated effort to NOT post when I am tired or angry. I tend to
embarrass myself. :-0



Gary

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Uplift philosophy and demography

[Trent Shipley]

UPLIFT PHILOSOPHY AND DEMOGRAPHY


Uplift Philosophy, Ethics, and Scarcity


Uplift is the most important activity in Main Sequence Galactic Civilization.  
Among the Oxygen Breathing Order Uplift is regulated by the Galactic Uplift 
Institute and Tradition.  Tradition further dictates that the interests of a 
race being uplifted be represented by its Uplift Consort, what Terragens 
often call the Uplift Godparent.  The Traditions of Uplift are rich, complex, 
and sensitive to cases and context.  Nevertheless, there are some universals.

Most important, the process of Uplift must be fair, compassionate, and never 
contrary to the long-term interests of the client race.  Also, the any race 
should have high levels of potential, minimizing the amount of genetic 
engineering necessary to produce viable Galactic citizens.  In addition, 
Tradition dictates that extra care must be taken when a client race has 
problematic talents.  Psychic and probability manipulating abilities are 
particularly notorious for complicating uplift projects.

Patrons are encouraged to uplift clients with the intention of fitting them 
into political-economic niches.  Some goals, however, are disallowed by 
Tradition.  Uplift projects cannot produce a race prone to wide-spread 
suffering.  Chronic, widespread physical pain is completely disallowed, and 
psychological suffering is worse.  Also, the project should not result in an 
overspecialized race.  A race is automatically regarded as overspecialized if 
it amounts to an intelligent biological tool.  (This does not mean it is _per 
se_ illegal to produce intelligent biological tools, but a tool-making 
project requires a special, difficult to obtain license approved by both the 
Galactic Foresight Organization and the GUI.)  Finally, any Uplift project 
cannot produce a race with a slave mentality or that is exclusively fit for a 
servile role.

In positive terms, the end product of an uplift project should be intelligent 
enough to read and participate fully as a Galactic citizen.  It should be 
rational.  It should be reasonably independent, and should not require 
continual management by another race.  (It is permissible for two or more 
races to be symbiotic.  In this case all parties to the symbiosis should have 
roughly equal amount of power.  Also, it is desirable that all parties be 
uplifted within the same project.)  Above all, any uplifted race should be 
responsible.  It should be able to understand and conform to Galactic 
Tradition, at least in theory.

Furthermore, any Galactic Citizen should have some abilities.  A race need not 
have all the Traditionally desirable abilities, nor need it regularly 
exercise all the abilities that it theoretically possesses.  One ability that 
a mature race must have is the ability to control its own population.  
Several abilities are highly desirable.  Among these highly desirable 
abilities are the ability to engage in intellectual or scholarly discourse, 
the ability to successfully engage in commerce, the ability of a race to hold 
its own in warfare, the ability to interact with other races and engage in 
diplomacy, the ability to pilot starships, and an aspiration to uplift 
clients.  These abilities are so critical that the lack of any one is 
regarded by many as a serious embarrassment to the patron responsible for the 
lack and a lesser embarrassment to any associated uplift consorts.

Failure to abide by the standards and Traditions of Uplift can result in 
charges of Uplift Malfeasance.  Consequences for convicted patrons or 
complicit consorts can be severe.



Stability and the Number of Races 

The replacement rate for O-2 races is about 1.1 client race per Galactic 
Citizen.  The average life expectancy for a Galactic Citizen from the time of 
its Stage-1 Uplift Ceremony until it Passes On is 1*10^6 hab-years.  At any 
given time there are about 200_000 O-2 races in various stages of development 
and about 550*10^12 O-2 individuals in the Galaxies.  The number of races and 
individuals in O-2 Civilization increases over time.  The rate of increase, 
however, is very slow.  Even over an O-2 races lifespan, the increase in the 
number of Galactic Citizen Races will be imperceptible.

It is widely believed that there is a chronic shortage of quality 
ur-populations.  This shortage is entirely a result of Tradition, 
Bureaucracy, and economics.  First, what constitutes an adequate level of 
potential is somewhat arbitrary.  The Traditional minimum threshold for 
potential is high enough that new candidate ur-populations are fairly rare.  
Also, the tradition that there must be a one-to-one connection between an 
ur-population and its form as an uplifted Galactic Citizen Race.  Logically, 
one ur-population could be used as the source of several uplift projects, but 
doing so is an unconscionable violation of Tradition.  The Tradition 
excluding ur-populations living on fallow planets from uplift candidacy also 
contrib

Re: Uplift Timeline

[Alberto Monteiro]

Trent Shipley wrote:
>
> Before do a write-up I needed some dates, so I re-collated the timeline.
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
I have just returned from a week-long vacation trip, and I have
2028 e-mails to read O:-)

But I promise I will take a look at the data asap.

Alberto Monteiro

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Re: Soro Religion

[Alberto Monteiro]

Trent Shipley wrote:
>
> Are Soro Obeyors?
> What about Gubru?
>
I think Soro and Gubru are *not* fanaticals, meaning
that they don't belong to any of the religious-like alliances

Alberto Monteiro

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RE: Toddler Television

[Ronn!Blankenship]

At 12:46 PM 1/25/04, Gary Nunn wrote:


Do you mean my posts specifically or just in general ?  I have made a
concentrated effort to NOT post when I am tired or angry. I tend to
embarrass myself. :-0


I mean there have been no dearth of posts concerning embarrassing topics 
such as the one in the subject line you referred to, so what's one more?



-- Ronn!  :)

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Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius

[Alberto Monteiro]

Davd [where has the _i_ gone?] Brin wrote:
>
> Alas,  Life with 3 small kids (age 6,9,11)  -- plus
> many speeches and deadlines -- has left me with less
> time for writing and a need to focus.  This is
> frustrating.  I have seven lifespans worth of ideas
> and the last year has been a complete loss,
> fixtionwise... except for THE LIFE EATERS.
>

Don't forget to write everything you ever think, and let
your kids know where you are storing this information.
Tolkien left enough material for his son Christopher
to publish 14 books, plus a series of dictionaries of his
invented languages, and even a complete The-Hobbit-like
children's story. Maybe there will be "David Brin" new
material by 2104 :-)


Alberto Monteiro

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RE: Toddler Television

[Gary Nunn]

 
> I mean there have been no dearth of posts concerning 
> embarrassing topics 
> such as the one in the subject line you referred to, so 
> what's one more?
> -- Ronn!  :)


[Hanging my head in embarrassment] 

Oops, sorry, I didn't mean to be so sensitive about that and take it so
personally  :-)


Gary


The snow storm has started - so far one inch on the ground.

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Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius

[Davd Brin]

--- Alberto,
You paint a frightening picture.  Heinlein's heirs are
republishing his first (and awful!) novel this year. 
Some artists burn their manuscripts!

;-)

davd  (it was a mistake, now locked in stone!)



 Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Davd [where has the _i_ gone?] Brin wrote:
> >
> > Alas,  Life with 3 small kids (age 6,9,11)  --
> plus
> > many speeches and deadlines -- has left me with
> less
> > time for writing and a need to focus.  This is
> > frustrating.  I have seven lifespans worth of
> ideas
> > and the last year has been a complete loss,
> > fixtionwise... except for THE LIFE EATERS.
> >
> 
> Don't forget to write everything you ever think, and
> let
> your kids know where you are storing this
> information.
> Tolkien left enough material for his son Christopher
> to publish 14 books, plus a series of dictionaries
> of his
> invented languages, and even a complete
> The-Hobbit-like
> children's story. Maybe there will be "David Brin"
> new
> material by 2104 :-)
> 
> 
> Alberto Monteiro
> 
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Re: Energy Independence

[Alberto Monteiro]

Trent Shipley wrote:
>
> and spend a *LOT* of money researching conservation and alternative
> energy sources--especially substitutes for petroleum.  
>
Didn't work here in Brazil. We started replacing oil for alcohol. At one 
moment, 80% of the cars were alcohol-propelled. AFAIK, the last time 
an alcohol car was build was 8 years ago.

Back to oil Maru

Alberto Monteiro

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Re: Uplift Timeline (was Tg Territories)

[Steve Sloan II]

Trent Shipley wrote:

> 620 MYA: The ecologically insensitive "Lions" dominate the
> Galaxies. Ash spreads through 30% of Galaxy One and 20% of
> Galaxy Two. Complex sea life on Earth.
I think I remember the Cambrian Explosion being closer to
560 MYA, but it's been a while since I read about it.
> 12 MYA: The last recorded "wolfling" race, the Paranaj, is
> discovered.  Within 1000 years it is extinct.
Duplicate entry. See 52 KYA.

> 52 KYA: The last recorded "wolfling" race, the Paranaj, is
> discovered. Within a thousand years, it is extinct.
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Re: Toddler Television

[Robert Seeberger]

- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Nunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Brin Mail List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 12:05 PM
Subject: Toddler Television


>
>
> Watching my son, who is just over 2 1/2, it occurs to me he is
> significantly more advanced than my daughter was at this age. I
think
> that my daughter and son were both winners of the genetic lottery
when
> it comes to intelligence, and I think they are fairly evenly matched
in
> that area.  Looking back, the major difference is what they have
been
> watching on TV.
>
> Before I go any farther, and before someone jumps on this, I DON'T
make
> it habit to make the TV a babysitter. I do  monitor how much they
watch
> TV and what they are watching. Now, having said that
>
> The major differences are that my daughter grew up watching Barney
and
> Big Comfy Couch, and my son has grown up watching Blue's Clues and
The
> Wiggles.
>
> I don't think he is doing anything that any other average 2 year is
not
> capable of.
>
> His biggest TV influence has been Blue's Clues.

My son started watching Blues Clues when he was two, soon after the
show started airing. I have to agree, Blues Clues is about as good as
you can get for very young children on television. We also taught him
how to use a mouse (actually a trackball...this works much better
for very small hands) and let him play Blues Clues CD-ROM games on the
PC. I have always thought that this gave him a decided advantage in
learning situations.
Now he is 8 and in the 3rd grade and I don't think he has had a grade
lower than an "A" since the first semester of first grade.
I'm really proud of Rory. This last weeks report card showed him
bringing all his grades up 2 or 3 points. I think he had one 94 and
the rest were 97 or 98. I wish I had done so well in school. Its
really amazing considering how crazy his mom was during our marriage
and the great improvements she herself has made in her own life. She
has done a commendable job in providing a stable homelife for my son.
(And yesI tell her so!)

xponent
Here's The Mail It Never Fails It Makes Me Want To Wag My Tail When It
Comes I Want To Wail MLLL! Maru
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Re: Toddler Television

[Kanandarqu]

LOL, Iced in in Kentucky and also willing to give news on 
kid programming (when do they stop being toddlers?).
PBS started a new series this week-  same creator as 
teletubbies but supposed to be more action and movement
oriented.  I haven't seen it but who could complain about
early scifi- grin, supposedly the characters move around
like charged atoms.  

I am sure I will catch up on it next time I see my nephews, 
Dee

from pbs.org
About Boohbah:
Boohbah is an exciting new PBS program premiering January 19th. Be sure to 
check your local listings for Boohbah in your area. Boohbah presents an 
imagination-stimulating learning environment for children to explore. Each Boohbah 
episode blasts off with the glowing "Boohball," which streaks in a rainbow ribbon 
across the sky, spun from nation to nation by children all over the world. 
The children call each individual Boobah - Humbah, Jingbah, Jumbah, Zing Zing 
Zingbah and Zumbah - to attention, initiating the characters' simple exercise 
routine and inviting viewers to follow along. A Storyworld segment follows, 
featuring a Storypuzzle that the Storypeople - Grandmamma, Grandpappa, Mrs. Lady, 
Mr. Man, Brother , Sister, Auntie and Little Dog Fido - must solve. 
Storypuzzles can only be completed with the help of children both on and off the 
screen, 
who ensure that every tale comes to a happy resolution. 
For children 3 to 6 years old.

Series Goals:

Build self-confidence and independent thinking 
Hone problem-solving and decision-making skills 
Encourage children to move, dance and create stories


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GALACTICA is a go (maybe)

[Robert Seeberger]

http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Movies&action=page&type_id=&cat_id=270338&obj_id=40649

While fans of the new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA "re-imagining" wait for
official word to find out whether or not The Sci Fi Channel has
decided to take the show to series, we've heard from one of our
trustworthy sources on the matter. According to this Vancouver-based
source, the Channel has given the producers of the new GALACTICA a
six-episode commitment. It just hasn't been officially announced yet.

Debuting to strong ratings, last month's broadcast of the two-part,
four-hour BATTLESTAR GALACTICA mini-series earned the Sci Fi Channel
its third highest ratings ever for a program. The second night of
GALACTICA grabbed a larger share of the audience than the first night.
Usually this kind of good news would be enough to launch the program
into a full-fledged series but the show's high cost per episode (which
is ironically the same kind of issue that led to the original
GALACTICA's swift cancellation after just one season) is contributing
to cold feet by Channel suits. But as our source tells us -- and we
know who they are and their previous established track history is
solid -- the Channel has ordered a half-dozen hour-long episodes. It's
expected that all of the primary cast members from the mini-series
will re-appear in the series version of GALACTICA.



xponent

Hooray? Maru

rob


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Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

[Steve Sloan II]

Reggie Bautista wrote:

> "The Martian Way?"  Never heard of it.  Any idea if it's
> available in any of the copious numbers of Asimov anthologies
> out there?
According to the Internet SF Database site:
http://isfdb.tamu.edu/cgi-bin/pw.cgi?6e2806
It's been published in these books/magazines:

1. Galaxy Science Fiction, November 1952, H. L. Gold, 1952, $0.35
2. The Martian Way and Other Stories, Isaac Asimov, 1955,
   Doubleday, hc
3. Worlds to Come, Damon Knight, 1967, Harper & Row, LCC# AC
   67-10130, $4.95, hc
4. The Best of Isaac Asimov, Isaac Asimov, 1973, Sidgwick &
   Jackson, hc
5. Science Fiction Hall of Fame Volume 2B, Ben Bova, 1973,
   Doubleday, hc
6. The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Volume 2B, Ben Bova, 1974,
   Avon Books, 0-380-00054-7, pb
7. Prisoners of the Stars, Isaac Asimov, 1979, Doubleday, hc
8. The Great SF Stories 14 (1952), Isaac Asimov, 1985
9. The Asimov Chronicles: Fifty Years of Isaac Asimov, Isaac
   Asimov+Martin H. Greenberg, 1989, Dark Harvest, 0-913165-44-1,
   $21.95
The copy I own is in the mid 80s Asimov collection _Robot Dreams_.
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LOTR: The Return Of The King wins Golden Globe

[Robert Seeberger]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040126/ap_on_en_mo/golden_globes_list_6

For:
Picture, Drama

Best Director, Drama

Original Score, Howard Shore

Original Song, Into The West, Howard Shore, Fran Walsh, Annie Lennox




xponent
On To The Academy Awards Maru
rob


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