Re: [Callers] What formation is this improper dance?

[Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing]

Is there any benefit to *not* calling it an improper contra with a note that it
starts in short waves?

(The dance will tend to work better if you get people lined up, have them take
hands four, and the actives cross over, so that the 1s and 2s know who they are
and which way they expect to be going.  *Then* have them allemand into the
waves, say "the dance actually starts here", and walk the rest of it including
the next progression.)

-- Alan


> I haven't studied the dance, but what you describe would technically be
> duple minor indecent (ladies on the left) with a reverse progression
> (bottom couple moving down the hall).


> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 23:28, Bill Baritompa
> wrote:

> >  Hi,
> >
> >   This may seem like a silly question. It concerns Rick Mohr's
> > improper dance
> > "Chuck the Budgie" (on his webpage and shown on a youtube video there).
> >
> > I thought an improper dance has the #1's facing down the hall, facing their
> > #2's who are facing up the hall. All gents have their partners on their
> > right side.
> >
> > Although the dance description says it's improper, it actually starts in a
> > short
> > wave which you get into by Nbr Right Allemand 3/4 to have gents in the
> > center
> > with left hands joined. (the last 4 beats of B2, (next nbr) Right Allemand
> > 3/4
> >  forms the next short wave).
> >
> > So this dances has a formation (consisting of short waves) with the #1's
> > facing up
> > the hall facing their #2's who are facing down the hall. Gents have their
> > partners
> > on their left. Does this have a name? Are there any other dances in this
> > formation?
> >
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Re: [Callers] What formation is this improper dance?

[Richard Mckeever]

I would still call that improper because I would start the walk thru in 
improper formation at the end of B2.

Then do the alle R 3/4 and then start the dance.  Getting into that wave any 
other way would be very difficult and confusing.

Then to start the dance - bring them back to improper - have them do the 
allemand to the WL

Many improper dances start with WL with the ladies in the center and 1 facing 
down.  This is a variation of that and I don't have a problem calling it 
improper because that is something everyone understands and is the easiest 
starting place.

Mac




 From: Bill Baritompa 
To: Caller's discussion list  
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 10:28 PM
Subject: [Callers] What formation is this improper dance?
 
Hi,

       This may seem like a silly question. It concerns Rick Mohr's improper 
dance
"Chuck the Budgie" (on his webpage and shown on a youtube video there).

I thought an improper dance has the #1's facing down the hall, facing their
#2's who are facing up the hall. All gents have their partners on their right 
side.

Although the dance description says it's improper, it actually starts in a short
wave which you get into by Nbr Right Allemand 3/4 to have gents in the center
with left hands joined. (the last 4 beats of B2, (next nbr) Right Allemand 3/4
forms the next short wave).

So this dances has a formation (consisting of short waves) with the #1's facing 
up
the hall facing their #2's who are facing down the hall. Gents have their 
partners
on their left. Does this have a name? Are there any other dances in this 
formation?

Questioningly yours,
Bill

Chuck The Budgie  Rick Mohr  Improper(?)         
                
(Start: N Alle Right 3/4 to short waves with gents in the center left hands)
http://youtu.be/aDBsd-ETQvE    
http://youtu.be/UbFX6D6ld9o
                
A1    Gents Allemand Left 1x, Neighbor Swing            
A2    Circle Left 3/4, Partner Swing            
B1    LLFB, Ladies Allemand Right 1 1/2 (Join L hands with Nbr for short wave)  
          
B2    Balance short waves, Neighbor Allemand Left 3/4 (to long waves)
        Balance long waves, (new) Neighbor Allemand Right 3/4
                    (till men connect left hands in short waves)            

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Re: [Callers] What formation is this improper dance?

[Charles Hannum]

I haven't studied the dance, but what you describe would technically be
duple minor indecent (ladies on the left) with a reverse progression
(bottom couple moving down the hall).


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 23:28, Bill Baritompa
wrote:

>  Hi,
>
>   This may seem like a silly question. It concerns Rick Mohr's
> improper dance
> "Chuck the Budgie" (on his webpage and shown on a youtube video there).
>
> I thought an improper dance has the #1's facing down the hall, facing their
> #2's who are facing up the hall. All gents have their partners on their
> right side.
>
> Although the dance description says it's improper, it actually starts in a
> short
> wave which you get into by Nbr Right Allemand 3/4 to have gents in the
> center
> with left hands joined. (the last 4 beats of B2, (next nbr) Right Allemand
> 3/4
>  forms the next short wave).
>
> So this dances has a formation (consisting of short waves) with the #1's
> facing up
> the hall facing their #2's who are facing down the hall. Gents have their
> partners
> on their left. Does this have a name? Are there any other dances in this
> formation?
>

[Callers] What formation is this improper dance?

[Bill Baritompa]

 Hi,

   This may seem like a silly question. It concerns Rick Mohr's improper 
dance
"Chuck the Budgie" (on his webpage and shown on a youtube video there).

I thought an improper dance has the #1's facing down the hall, facing their
#2's who are facing up the hall. All gents have their partners on their right 
side.

Although the dance description says it's improper, it actually starts in a short
wave which you get into by Nbr Right Allemand 3/4 to have gents in the center
with left hands joined. (the last 4 beats of B2, (next nbr) Right Allemand 3/4
 forms the next short wave).

So this dances has a formation (consisting of short waves) with the #1's facing 
up
the hall facing their #2's who are facing down the hall. Gents have their 
partners
on their left. Does this have a name? Are there any other dances in this 
formation?

Questioningly yours,
Bill

Chuck The Budgie  Rick Mohr  Improper(?)

(Start: N Alle Right 3/4 to short waves with gents in the center left hands)
http://youtu.be/aDBsd-ETQvE 
http://youtu.be/UbFX6D6ld9o

A1  Gents Allemand Left 1x, Neighbor Swing  
A2  Circle Left 3/4, Partner Swing  
B1  LLFB, Ladies Allemand Right 1 1/2 (Join L hands with Nbr for short 
wave)
B2  Balance short waves, Neighbor Allemand Left 3/4 (to long waves)
Balance long waves, (new) Neighbor Allemand Right 3/4
(till men connect left hands in short waves)

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Liz and Bill]

On 28/02/2012 4:41 p.m., Michael Fuerst wrote:

Ideally, a move done by one gender role should be  balanced by some move solely 
for the other gender role.


Hi Michael,

In my opinion, gender balance in each dance seems a bit extreme, however it 
does seem worth balancing gender inactivity in the evening's programming.


Cheers, Bill

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Michael Fuerst]

Ideally, a move done by one gender role should be  balanced by some move solely 
for the other gender role.   A ladies' chain balanced by M alm 1 1/2  in the 
same dance would serve this purpose.    Or consider the following
A1      Balance and swing neighbor.A2      Men allemande left 1 1/2 and swing 
partner.B1      Long lines forward and back.  Women chain to neighbor.B2      
Women allemande right (4).        1/2 hey, neighbors start passing left 
shoulder, until           neighbors face each other on the side they started 
the dance (8).        Neighbors pass left shoulders and turn sharply left to 
meet new           neighbors (4).
On the other hand some very popular dances, such as 3-33-33 by Steve Zakon, do 
have a gender role imbalance.   
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Links to photos of many of my drawings and paintings are at 
www.ArtComesFuerst.com 

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Subject: Re: [Callers] Overused figures
To: "Caller's discussion list" 
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Date: Monday, February 27, 2012, 5:21 PM

For me, it's from my dancing and also from a comment I heard from a dancer.  
I've been to dances where men AL 1 1/2 was used 5 or more times.  The comment 
was from a lady who thought waiting for the men so much was  boring.  I think 
it's a nice move for 1 or 2 dances in an evening, 3 at the most if the rest of 
the choreography makes it worthwhile.  Guess I've enjoyed circles as a dancer, 
maybe because they weren't used that much in one program. 

- Original Message -
From: "Greg McKenzie"  
To: "Caller's discussion list"  
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:37:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [Callers] Overused figures 

What is so great about the "ProgramPlanning Matrix" is that it seems to be 
based upon input from a number of experienced, key people.  Nevertheless, 
the matrix does place a significant burden on programmers.  If you add in 
local preferences and personal preferences the task of programming becomes 
much more of a challenge.  In general this is probably a good thing. 

I agree that it is the variation in the transitions, the music, the 
dancers, and the calling styles that adds excitement to contras.  I'm not 
too concerned, personally, with "overused" figures.  For me it is the 
non-basic figures that seem to be "overused."  Keeping it simple and 
accessible allows greater participation which is what insures lots of 
variation in the people you interact with at each dance, and this--in my 
opinion--is the real draw of contras. 

If you think a figure is "overused," what is the basis of your opinion?  is 
it: 

- comments from dancers 
- comments from programmers 
- personal preference 
- or something else? 

Just wondering. 

- Greg McKenzie 

* 

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM,  wrote: 

> I agree. 
> Does anyone else think that Men allemande Left 1 1/2 is overused? 
> How about Circle Left 3/4?  Lately, I've been programming specifically  to 
> avoid having a circle in each dance.  It's surprisingly  difficult to find 
> dances that don't have circles. 
> 
> Donna Hunt 
> "Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while  we're here we should 
> dance." -unknown 
> 
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Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Donald Perley]

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:53 PM,   wrote:
> I agree.
> Does anyone else think that Men allemande Left 1 1/2 is overused?
> How about Circle Left 3/4?  Lately, I've been programming specifically  to
> avoid having a circle in each dance.  It's surprisingly  difficult to find
> dances that don't have circles.

Could do a circle right 1/4 to save time.
Do a night of chesnuts and you may conclude that right and left
through and back is the most overused figure.

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing]

Richard wrote:


> I tend to agree with Martha about that. I don't find that English country
dance leaders limit their use of set and turn single, or up a double and back,
to only once or twice an evening.

> Richard

> On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Martha Edwards wrote:

> > But why wouldn't it be okay to have lots of dances with
> > swings, circles, long lines and allemandes if they help set up or unwind a
> > distinctive move? They're so bland and common they almost shouldn't count...


Pickiness:  Allemandes qua allemandes aren't a problem; the overuse complaint
was about "men allemande left once and a half" (which I suspect is usually
followed by "and swing partner on the side").

According to me, figures like star, circle, allemande, swing, long lines,
balance, and to a lesser extent hey, promenade, gypsy  are just basic
vocabulary.  Nobody complains about a story that the writer used a, and, of,
in, with, or various forms of "to be" too much.  They like a plot, some flavor,
and some variety - it shouldn't be exactly like all the other stories in the
collection. 

(Not to mention that those basic figures are subject to modification and
adjustment; they're the basis for other action.  Long lines can get a roll away
on the way back; stars can be hands-across and men drop out, or go once around
and allemande by the hand in the star,  etc, etc, etc.)

I also think that what people notice (aside from the music) is large similar
sequences (cl 3/4, swing on the side); gypsy meltdowns, undoing Beckets, and,
more importantly, transitions.  Two dances in a row whch start neighbor balance 
and
swing will seem pretty similar (and if one finishes facing across and
the next facing down in line of four, will screw up the kinetic learners so
they'll face the wrong way the first few times through the second dance).

While the matrix is a great tool for ensuring a variety of figures, I think
it's also a good idea to pay special attention to your story lines and
transitions and make sure there's a good variety.  And there's nothing wrong
with a bread-and-butter dance (standard figures, all the action inside the
foursome), if it has good flow and a nice story line.  There's a lot of variety
available even if you stick to just longways contras.

This also applies to programming an English evening.  I would control the
number of "set and turn single in place" dances, because that usually feels
like filler to me, but I wouldn't have a problem with multiple things along the
line of "corners set forward, turn single back to place, continue that momentum
into a two-hand turn" especially if those were dances with tunes in different
meters.)

-- Alan

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Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Richard Fischer]

I tend to agree with Martha about that. I don't find that English country dance 
leaders limit their use of set and turn single, or up a double and back, to 
only once or twice an evening.

Richard

On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Martha Edwards wrote:

> But why wouldn't it be okay to have lots of dances with
> swings, circles, long lines and allemandes if they help set up or unwind a
> distinctive move? They're so bland and common they almost shouldn't count...

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Read Weaver]

otoh, an evening with lots of circles can be an opportunity to remind  
people to give weight in the circle (and slap around the people  
grapevining). When I do a beginners' session, I point out that a  
circle without weight is a really boring figure, but with weight it  
has some real charm.


--Read Weaver
Jamaica Plain, MA
http://lcfd.org

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[95sg23]

For me, it's from my dancing and also from a comment I heard from a dancer.  
I've been to dances where men AL 1 1/2 was used 5 or more times.  The comment 
was from a lady who thought waiting for the men so much was  boring.  I think 
it's a nice move for 1 or 2 dances in an evening, 3 at the most if the rest of 
the choreography makes it worthwhile.  Guess I've enjoyed circles as a dancer, 
maybe because they weren't used that much in one program. 

- Original Message -
From: "Greg McKenzie"  
To: "Caller's discussion list"  
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:37:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [Callers] Overused figures 

What is so great about the "ProgramPlanning Matrix" is that it seems to be 
based upon input from a number of experienced, key people.  Nevertheless, 
the matrix does place a significant burden on programmers.  If you add in 
local preferences and personal preferences the task of programming becomes 
much more of a challenge.  In general this is probably a good thing. 

I agree that it is the variation in the transitions, the music, the 
dancers, and the calling styles that adds excitement to contras.  I'm not 
too concerned, personally, with "overused" figures.  For me it is the 
non-basic figures that seem to be "overused."  Keeping it simple and 
accessible allows greater participation which is what insures lots of 
variation in the people you interact with at each dance, and this--in my 
opinion--is the real draw of contras. 

If you think a figure is "overused," what is the basis of your opinion?  is 
it: 

- comments from dancers 
- comments from programmers 
- personal preference 
- or something else? 

Just wondering. 

- Greg McKenzie 

* 

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM,  wrote: 

> I agree. 
> Does anyone else think that Men allemande Left 1 1/2 is overused? 
> How about Circle Left 3/4?  Lately, I've been programming specifically  to 
> avoid having a circle in each dance.  It's surprisingly  difficult to find 
> dances that don't have circles. 
> 
> Donna Hunt 
> "Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while  we're here we should 
> dance." -unknown 
> 
> 
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Re: [Callers] program matrix

[Liz and Bill]

Hi Greg and Rickey,

I've attached a photo of a few dance cards to show the matrix
formed. My cards
are 4x6 so have a bit more room than 3x5. I have a master card that goes behind 
to
give the column headings.  My scheme is a variation of the headings shown in
Linda's example, and rather than tick the appropriate box, I have use a
'shading' code and put some text there too.

The attached example:
The first dance (row) 1B means the dances starts with N Bal and Sw, the blue 
means
Gents LA. GT and CP in the move 1 and move 2 means this dances has some special
moves, namely Give and Take, and Clapping.

Dance 2 starts with Circle Left and has Pull By as special move
Dance 3 (Another Nice Combination) 1G starts Nbr Gypsy and Sw, it has Part Sw,
P in the Circle Left column mean has transition Circle to pass thru.

I have an excel spread sheet which parses the dances and (attempts) to generate
the top lines.

Cheers, Bill

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Greg McKenzie]

What is so great about the "ProgramPlanning Matrix" is that it seems to be
based upon input from a number of experienced, key people.  Nevertheless,
the matrix does place a significant burden on programmers.  If you add in
local preferences and personal preferences the task of programming becomes
much more of a challenge.  In general this is probably a good thing.

I agree that it is the variation in the transitions, the music, the
dancers, and the calling styles that adds excitement to contras.  I'm not
too concerned, personally, with "overused" figures.  For me it is the
non-basic figures that seem to be "overused."  Keeping it simple and
accessible allows greater participation which is what insures lots of
variation in the people you interact with at each dance, and this--in my
opinion--is the real draw of contras.

If you think a figure is "overused," what is the basis of your opinion?  is
it:

- comments from dancers
- comments from programmers
- personal preference
- or something else?

Just wondering.

- Greg McKenzie

*

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM,  wrote:

> I agree.
> Does anyone else think that Men allemande Left 1 1/2 is overused?
> How about Circle Left 3/4?  Lately, I've been programming specifically  to
> avoid having a circle in each dance.  It's surprisingly  difficult to find
> dances that don't have circles.
>
> Donna Hunt
> "Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while  we're here we should
> dance." -unknown
>
>

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Gary Shapiro]

I too try to minimize the Men allemande L 1-1/2 and I try to minimize
circle L 3/4 and swing, but not so much the 3/4 circle without the swing.
It's not easy!

Give-and-take is an easy alternative when there's a swing, but that's a
figure that I think shouldn't be used no more than once a month (we have a
weekly dance).

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Dhuntdancer-at-aol.com  wrote:

> I agree.
> Does anyone else think that Men allemande Left 1 1/2 is overused?
> How about Circle Left 3/4?  Lately, I've been programming specifically  to
> avoid having a circle in each dance.  It's surprisingly  difficult to find
> dances that don't have circles.
>

Re: [Callers] program matrix

[Rickey Holt]

Can you explain this further. Specifically, what is "the dance's
corresponding row in the dance matrix".
Rickey

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Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:15 PM
To: Caller's discussion list
Subject: [Callers] program matrix

On the very top of each of my dance cards I have printed the dance's
corresponding row in the dance matrix. From the stack of cards for a planed
dance the matrix appears. No need to fill out a separate grid each time.

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Re: [Callers] heys for new dancers

[Bill Baritompa]

On 28/02/2012 9:56 a.m., Jack Mitchell wrote:

Lynn or Bill:

Would you mind posting "Not a figment..."?



Hi Jack,

This is the version Gaye called.  It's a great flowing dance.

Not a Figment of Your Imagination by Lynn Ackerson Becket

(note future N on L diagonal)

A1: with Partner promenade across with wide arc to face new N;
   Left hand star 3/4, men turn back over R shoulder
A2: (this) Neigbhor gypsy and swing
B1: Gents Allemand Left 1 1/2; Partner swing
B2: Right and left thru;
   Ladies Right Allemand 1, Partner courtesy turn

note: needs room

Cheers, Bill

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Dave C]

Many times a dance can be slightly modified with a different move that gets the 
same result.  An example of this is that a Give and Take can easily replace a 
Circle Left 3/4 when the next move is a swing.  B N, CL 3/4, Sw P can thus 
be B N, G where gents bring back the lady, Sw P.
 
Dave Colestock
Harrisburg, PA
 
 
 
--- On Mon, 2/27/12, Bill Baritompa  wrote:


From: Bill Baritompa 
Subject: Re: [Callers] Overused figures
To: "Caller's discussion list" 
List-Post: callers@lists.sharedweight.net
Date: Monday, February 27, 2012, 3:28 PM


Hi All,

   Interesting discussion.

  One of the neat aspects of contra dance (for me) is that so few figures are 
used to
make up dances (as opposed to MWSD). The transitions between them and how they
are put together generate interesting and fun dances.

There are certain combination that appear frequently. One that I try to limit 
using is
a (P or N) swing followed by CL 3/4 (N or P) swing which can make for a dizzy 
dance.

Cheers, Bill



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Re: [Callers] Heys for new dancers

[Jack Mitchell]

Just to clarify...  The A1 becomes a straight across ladies chain over 
and back, so your partner is in the same hey with you and you meet them 
back on the side of the set after going through the Hey.  Would think 
that would be self explanatory, but realized when I read the message 
after it posted that it might not have been as clear to others


J

On 2/27/2012 3:51 PM, Jack Mitchell wrote:
I have seen a few people using a modification of "The Reunion" by Gene 
Hubert as an introduction to the Hey.


The original is:

*The Reunion*-- Gene Hubert*Becket*

*A1*Left Diagonal Ladies Chain
Straight Across Ladies Chain

*A2*Straight across Hey

*B1*look for your partner in the next Hey -- P B

*B2*Circle Left .75
Pass Thru, Circle Right .75

But if you make the A1 just a ladies chain over and back, then you can 
then illustrate the Hey by pointing out that the ladies have just 
walked the path of the next move.  At the same time, it's still an 
interesting dance.  Note that the original is double progression, but 
the modification is not.



Jack

On 2/19/2012 4:03 PM, Rickey Holt wrote:

Hey all,
Can you think of other dances that  meet all or most of the criteria 
that

have been listed in this thread, including Dan's, and that are generally
good dances for beginners?
Thanks for your suggestions,
Rickey Holt,
Fremont, NH

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[mailto:callers-boun...@sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Dan Pearl
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:21 PM
To: call...@sharedweight.net
Subject: Re: [Callers] Heys for new dancers

Yes, Flirtation Reel is a lovely dance, but there are a few things 
about it

which make it a bit less than ideal for dancers' first exposure to heys.

First, the transition from the up-the-center to the hey provides no
momentum/flow guidance about which shoulder to pass to start the 
hey.  For

the first hey dance, I'd prefer one with stronger flow at the moment of
initiation.

Second, the series of passes (NR, 2's L, Same sex R, 1's L, etc.) is not
only different from most heys (which have same-sex in the center 
[because
they are equal dances]), but the series of passes seems to be a bit 
harder
to grasp in the same way that the differing roles of unequal dances 
bumps up

the complexity of the sequence a bit.

For my money, a hey dance that satisfies my requirements is a 
modified "Roll

in the Hey". The original is:

A1 circle left;  swing neighbour
A2 circle left three quarters;  swing partner
B1 long lines go forward and back; half ladies chain across
B2 hey for four,  ladies pass right to start Lately, I have been 
calling it
A1 Dosido neighbor; swing neighbor.   This is much more forgiving 
than the

Hey/Circle (full) left combination.
This dance features a Ladies Chain immediately before the hey, and the
women's track is essentially the same as the hey. I use this 
similarity when

I walk through the dance.

Dan
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Re: [Callers] heys for new dancers

[Jack Mitchell]

Lynn or Bill:

Would you mind posting "Not a figment..."?

J

On 2/20/2012 5:00 PM, Bill Baritompa wrote:

 lynn ackerson wrote:
And some of those dances that flow so well, flow because they keep 
going in one
direction (usually clockwise) almost the whole time, resulting in 
very nauseous
dancers. It has happened to me many times (mostly as a dancer). 
Please watch out


Hi Lynn,

  I agree with your warning about being very careful about dances 
with too
much continuous clockwise motion. However I find that more satisfying 
flow

comes from alternating clockwise and anti-clockwise motion as long as the
center of rotation shifts. Your dance "Not a Figment of Your 
Imagination" is a
good example. Gaye Fifer called it at our dance weekend, and it has 
great flow

without being dizzy.

Other examples of this type of flow:
Heys;

The Nbr right allemand 1 1/2;(new) Nbr left allemand 1 1/2 B2/A1 
transition in D


A2 of Laura's Zigzag by Rick Mohr: Circle Left 1/2; w/Partner zig Left 
(pass Ns) Zag Right (meet next couple), Circle Right 1/2 (with these 
Ns) w/Partner, zag Right (to pass these Ns); Zig Left (to meet orig Ns)


Cheers, Bill

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Re: [Callers] Heys for new dancers

[Jack Mitchell]

I have seen a few people using a modification of "The Reunion" by Gene 
Hubert as an introduction to the Hey.


The original is:

*The Reunion*-- Gene Hubert*Becket*

*A1*Left Diagonal Ladies Chain
Straight Across Ladies Chain

*A2*Straight across Hey

*B1*look for your partner in the next Hey -- P B

*B2*Circle Left .75
Pass Thru, Circle Right .75

But if you make the A1 just a ladies chain over and back, then you can 
then illustrate the Hey by pointing out that the ladies have just walked 
the path of the next move.  At the same time, it's still an interesting 
dance.  Note that the original is double progression, but the 
modification is not.



Jack

On 2/19/2012 4:03 PM, Rickey Holt wrote:

Hey all,
Can you think of other dances that  meet all or most of the criteria that
have been listed in this thread, including Dan's, and that are generally
good dances for beginners?
Thanks for your suggestions,
Rickey Holt,
Fremont, NH

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From: callers-boun...@sharedweight.net
[mailto:callers-boun...@sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Dan Pearl
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:21 PM
To: call...@sharedweight.net
Subject: Re: [Callers] Heys for new dancers

Yes, Flirtation Reel is a lovely dance, but there are a few things about it
which make it a bit less than ideal for dancers' first exposure to heys.

First, the transition from the up-the-center to the hey provides no
momentum/flow guidance about which shoulder to pass to start the hey.  For
the first hey dance, I'd prefer one with stronger flow at the moment of
initiation.

Second, the series of passes (NR, 2's L, Same sex R, 1's L, etc.) is not
only different from most heys (which have same-sex in the center [because
they are equal dances]), but the series of passes seems to be a bit harder
to grasp in the same way that the differing roles of unequal dances bumps up
the complexity of the sequence a bit.

For my money, a hey dance that satisfies my requirements is a modified "Roll
in the Hey". The original is:

A1 circle left;  swing neighbour
A2 circle left three quarters;  swing partner
B1 long lines go forward and back; half ladies chain across
B2 hey for four,  ladies pass right to start Lately, I have been calling it
A1 Dosido neighbor; swing neighbor.   This is much more forgiving than the
Hey/Circle (full) left combination.
This dance features a Ladies Chain immediately before the hey, and the
women's track is essentially the same as the hey. I use this similarity when
I walk through the dance.

Dan
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Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Bill Baritompa]

Hi All,

   Interesting discussion.

  One of the neat aspects of contra dance (for me) is that so few figures are 
used to

make up dances (as opposed to MWSD). The transitions between them and how they
are put together generate interesting and fun dances.

 There are certain combination that appear frequently. One that I try to limit 
using is
a (P or N) swing followed by CL 3/4 (N or P) swing which can make for a dizzy 
dance.


Cheers, Bill

[Callers] program matrix

[Bill Baritompa]

On the very top of each of my dance cards I have printed the dance's 
corresponding row in the dance matrix. From the stack of cards for a planed 
dance the matrix appears. No need to fill out

a separate grid each time.

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Linda Leslie]

Yes, I do, and I am happy to share it!  Larry published his in "Give &  
Take". In his printed version,  the axes are rotated so that the dance  
moves appear in the first column on the left. In the blank version  
(attached), you can set it up in whatever way that seems helpful. The  
second grid has some dance moves added in, but along the top of the  
grid. I am attaching the 2 pdf's, which I shared at a workshop at  
RPDLW a few years back. The Caller's Companion "Program Matrix"  
function is based on this type grid.


We should all thank Larry for having shared this method of organizing  
with us. I hope you find it helpful!

warmly, Linda



THE GRID.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document







Grid Example.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


On Feb 27, 2012, at 2:19 PM, dhuntdan...@aol.com wrote:


Linda:
Do you have a electronic copy of Larry's grid?
If so would you please share?

Donna
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're  here we  
should

dance." -unknown


In a message dated 2/27/2012 2:08:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
laleslie...@comcast.net writes:

I agree  that men allemande left is found in many good dances and can
be  overused in a program; circles and long lines forward and back are
other moves that can fit this category. One of the many advantages  to
Caller's Companion, or the use of the grid developed by  Larry
Jennings, is to help avoid repetitious moves. Using this  feature has
helped in my program planning!
Linda


On  Feb 27, 2012, at 1:53 PM, dhuntdan...@aol.com wrote:


I  agree.
Does anyone else think that Men allemande Left 1 1/2 is  overused?
How about Circle Left 3/4?  Lately, I've been  programming
specifically  to
avoid having a circle  in each dance.  It's surprisingly  difficult
to  find
dances that don't have circles.

Donna  Hunt
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while  we're  here we
should
dance." -unknown


In a message dated 2/27/2012 12:18:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
95s...@comcast.net writes:

I like  the "Gang of Four"  much better, as IMHO men AL 1 1/2 is the
most
over-used  figure in contradancing, and the other dance has (yikes!)
two  of
them.

- Original Message -
From:  "Joy Greenwolfe"  
To: "Caller's  discussion list"  
Sent:  Saturday, February 25, 2012  12:46:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Callers]  Does this exist?

Hi Luke and  all,

This  is strongly reminiscent of Gene Hubert's Gang of Four, but  I
think yours is distinct.

Joy Greenwolfe
Durham,   NC

For comparison:
Gang of Four by Gene Hubert, Jan  '92
duple  contra Becket

A1
Circle L  3/4
N swing, end facing in promenade  position in large oval  (gents L
shoulder to the inside)
A2
Promenade around  the oval CCW, going around the ends like a bicycle
chain (about 6  steps)
Ladies turn back to swing the new gent behind
B1
All circle L in  large oval
Forward and back (make  sure you're across from P by the end)
B2
(new) Ladies  allemande R 1+1/2
P swing


On Feb 24,   2012, at 11:00 PM, Luke Donforth wrote:

I can't tell if  I'm  remembering or writing a dance. Anyone  
recognize

this?

Becket, ccw
A1
Men  allemande Left 1.5x
Neighbor swing, end facing cw in big oval  (women inside)
A2
Promenade with neighbor
Women turn back and swing new  neighbor
B1
Promenade back until across from partner
Men allemande Left  1.5x
B2
Partner gypsy (R) and   swing

Thanks.

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Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[David Millstone]

An electronic version of Larry's program planning grid can be found here:

http://www.quiteapair.us/calling/

Scroll down about halfway, and it's the last item before the subhead"My articles
and web pages about contra dance calling"

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Dhuntdancer]

Linda:
Do you have a electronic copy of Larry's grid?  
If so would you please share?

Donna
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're  here we should 
dance." -unknown  


In a message dated 2/27/2012 2:08:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
laleslie...@comcast.net writes:

I agree  that men allemande left is found in many good dances and can  
be  overused in a program; circles and long lines forward and back are   
other moves that can fit this category. One of the many advantages  to  
Caller's Companion, or the use of the grid developed by  Larry  
Jennings, is to help avoid repetitious moves. Using this  feature has  
helped in my program planning!
Linda


On  Feb 27, 2012, at 1:53 PM, dhuntdan...@aol.com wrote:

> I  agree.
> Does anyone else think that Men allemande Left 1 1/2 is  overused?
> How about Circle Left 3/4?  Lately, I've been  programming  
> specifically  to
> avoid having a circle  in each dance.  It's surprisingly  difficult  
> to  find
> dances that don't have circles.
>
> Donna  Hunt
> "Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while  we're  here we  
> should
> dance." -unknown
>
>
>  In a message dated 2/27/2012 12:18:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>  95s...@comcast.net writes:
>
> I like  the "Gang of Four"  much better, as IMHO men AL 1 1/2 is the  
> most
> over-used  figure in contradancing, and the other dance has (yikes!)  
> two  of
> them.
>
> - Original Message -
> From:  "Joy Greenwolfe"  
> To: "Caller's  discussion list"  
> Sent:  Saturday, February 25, 2012  12:46:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Callers]  Does this exist?
>
> Hi Luke and  all,
>
> This  is strongly reminiscent of Gene Hubert's Gang of Four, but  I
>  think yours is distinct.
>
> Joy Greenwolfe
> Durham,   NC
>
> For comparison:
> Gang of Four by Gene Hubert, Jan  '92
> duple  contra Becket
>
> A1
> Circle L  3/4
> N swing, end facing in promenade  position in large oval  (gents L
> shoulder to the inside)
> A2
> Promenade around  the oval CCW, going around the ends like a bicycle
> chain (about 6  steps)
> Ladies turn back to swing the new gent behind
>  B1
> All circle L in  large oval
> Forward and back (make  sure you're across from P by the end)
> B2
> (new) Ladies  allemande R 1+1/2
> P swing
>
>
> On Feb 24,   2012, at 11:00 PM, Luke Donforth wrote:
>
>> I can't tell if  I'm  remembering or writing a dance. Anyone recognize
>>  this?
>>
>> Becket, ccw
>> A1
>> Men  allemande Left 1.5x
>> Neighbor swing, end facing cw in big oval  (women inside)
>> A2
>> Promenade with neighbor
>>  Women turn back and swing new  neighbor
>> B1
>>  Promenade back until across from partner
>> Men allemande Left  1.5x
>> B2
>> Partner gypsy (R) and   swing
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -- 
>>  Luke Donforth
>> luke.donfo...@gmail.com  
>> www.lukedonev.com
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Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Linda Leslie]

I agree that men allemande left is found in many good dances and can  
be overused in a program; circles and long lines forward and back are  
other moves that can fit this category. One of the many advantages to  
Caller's Companion, or the use of the grid developed by Larry  
Jennings, is to help avoid repetitious moves. Using this feature has  
helped in my program planning!

Linda


On Feb 27, 2012, at 1:53 PM, dhuntdan...@aol.com wrote:


I agree.
Does anyone else think that Men allemande Left 1 1/2 is overused?
How about Circle Left 3/4?  Lately, I've been programming  
specifically  to
avoid having a circle in each dance.  It's surprisingly  difficult  
to find

dances that don't have circles.

Donna Hunt
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while  we're here we  
should

dance." -unknown


In a message dated 2/27/2012 12:18:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
95s...@comcast.net writes:

I like  the "Gang of Four" much better, as IMHO men AL 1 1/2 is the  
most
over-used figure in contradancing, and the other dance has (yikes!)  
two of

them.

- Original Message -
From: "Joy Greenwolfe"  
To: "Caller's discussion list"  
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012  12:46:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Does this exist?

Hi Luke and  all,

This is strongly reminiscent of Gene Hubert's Gang of Four, but  I
think yours is distinct.

Joy Greenwolfe
Durham,  NC

For comparison:
Gang of Four by Gene Hubert, Jan '92
duple  contra Becket

A1
Circle L 3/4
N swing, end facing in promenade  position in large oval (gents L
shoulder to the inside)
A2
Promenade around the oval CCW, going around the ends like a bicycle
chain (about 6 steps)
Ladies turn back to swing the new gent behind
B1
All circle L in  large oval
Forward and back (make sure you're across from P by the end)
B2
(new) Ladies allemande R 1+1/2
P swing


On Feb 24,  2012, at 11:00 PM, Luke Donforth wrote:


I can't tell if I'm  remembering or writing a dance. Anyone recognize
this?

Becket, ccw
A1
Men allemande Left 1.5x
Neighbor swing, end facing cw in big oval (women inside)
A2
Promenade with neighbor
Women turn back and swing new  neighbor
B1
Promenade back until across from partner
Men allemande Left 1.5x
B2
Partner gypsy (R) and  swing

Thanks.

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Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Linda Mrosko]

It's not overused if you're a new dancer or group of new dancers.

I always mark my cards w/a circle with a line through it to remind me this
one doesn't have a circle - and I try to fit at least 3-4 non-circle dances
in each program, when possible.

Ladies chain used to be a problem, too - a few years ago.  Seemed like
every dance had a ladies chain.

Last dance I called, however, did have an inordinate amount of men
allemande left 1-1/2 - didn't notice it till another caller held up his
hand to tell me I had called 5 dances with it - I'm usually more careful,
but all the dances I picked out looked like fun, new stuff - I missed it
because I was weighing other dances while picking the program and then
didn't recheck my program.  I excused it with "men need the exercise."
Weak, I know.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:53 PM,  wrote:

> I agree.
> Does anyone else think that Men allemande Left 1 1/2 is overused?
> How about Circle Left 3/4?  Lately, I've been programming specifically  to
> avoid having a circle in each dance.  It's surprisingly  difficult to find
> dances that don't have circles.
>
> Donna Hunt
> "Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while  we're here we should
> dance." -unknown
>
>
> In a message dated 2/27/2012 12:18:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> 95s...@comcast.net writes:
>
> I like  the "Gang of Four" much better, as IMHO men AL 1 1/2 is the most
> over-used figure in contradancing, and the other dance has (yikes!) two of
> them.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joy Greenwolfe"  
> To: "Caller's discussion list"  
> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012  12:46:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Does this exist?
>
> Hi Luke and  all,
>
> This is strongly reminiscent of Gene Hubert's Gang of Four, but  I
> think yours is distinct.
>
> Joy Greenwolfe
> Durham,  NC
>
> For comparison:
> Gang of Four by Gene Hubert, Jan '92
> duple  contra Becket
>
> A1
> Circle L 3/4
> N swing, end facing in promenade  position in large oval (gents L
> shoulder to the inside)
> A2
> Promenade around the oval CCW, going around the ends like a bicycle
> chain (about 6 steps)
> Ladies turn back to swing the new gent behind
> B1
> All circle L in  large oval
> Forward and back (make sure you're across from P by the end)
> B2
> (new) Ladies allemande R 1+1/2
> P swing
>
>
> On Feb 24,  2012, at 11:00 PM, Luke Donforth wrote:
>
> > I can't tell if I'm  remembering or writing a dance. Anyone recognize
> > this?
> >
> > Becket, ccw
> > A1
> > Men allemande Left 1.5x
> > Neighbor swing, end facing cw in big oval (women inside)
> > A2
> > Promenade with neighbor
> > Women turn back and swing new  neighbor
> > B1
> > Promenade back until across from partner
> > Men allemande Left 1.5x
> > B2
> > Partner gypsy (R) and  swing
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
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Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[David Millstone]

--- Donna wrote:
How about Circle Left 3/4?  Lately, I've been programming specifically  to avoid  
having a circle in each dance.  It's surprisingly  difficult to find

dances that don't have circles.
--- end of quote ---

I don't have time now to sift through cards, but I'm wondering how much of this  
circle left phenomenon 3/4 is there to maneuver people into position so everyone  
can have a partner swing (much more easily done on the side of the set than in  
the center) and a neighbor swing (ditto).


In the older dances--

Money Musk
Chorus Jig
Rory O'More
Hull's Victory
Lady of the Lake
Lamplighter's Hornpipe
Petronella
etc.

-- there's nary a circle left to be found.

But then, in those dances there wasn't the expectation of the partner swing, nor  
of flow, which came into popular taste starting in the 1980s, or thereabouts.


Just wondering...

David Millstone

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Charles Hannum]

The most “over”used figure in contra dance, at least in the Boston area,
has to be circle left 3/4 at the beginning of a Becket dance.


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 13:53,  wrote:

> I agree.
> Does anyone else think that Men allemande Left 1 1/2 is overused?
> How about Circle Left 3/4?  Lately, I've been programming specifically  to
> avoid having a circle in each dance.  It's surprisingly  difficult to find
> dances that don't have circles.
>

Re: [Callers] Overused figures

[Dhuntdancer]

I agree.
Does anyone else think that Men allemande Left 1 1/2 is overused?
How about Circle Left 3/4?  Lately, I've been programming specifically  to 
avoid having a circle in each dance.  It's surprisingly  difficult to find 
dances that don't have circles.  

Donna Hunt
"Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while  we're here we should 
dance." -unknown  


In a message dated 2/27/2012 12:18:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
95s...@comcast.net writes:

I like  the "Gang of Four" much better, as IMHO men AL 1 1/2 is the most  
over-used figure in contradancing, and the other dance has (yikes!) two of  
them.  

- Original Message -
From: "Joy Greenwolfe"   
To: "Caller's discussion list"   
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012  12:46:36 AM 
Subject: Re: [Callers] Does this exist? 

Hi Luke and  all, 

This is strongly reminiscent of Gene Hubert's Gang of Four, but  I   
think yours is distinct. 

Joy Greenwolfe 
Durham,  NC 

For comparison: 
Gang of Four by Gene Hubert, Jan '92 
duple  contra Becket 

A1 
Circle L 3/4 
N swing, end facing in promenade  position in large oval (gents L   
shoulder to the inside) 
A2  
Promenade around the oval CCW, going around the ends like a bicycle
chain (about 6 steps) 
Ladies turn back to swing the new gent behind  
B1 
All circle L in  large oval 
Forward and back (make sure you're across from P by the end)  
B2 
(new) Ladies allemande R 1+1/2 
P swing 


On Feb 24,  2012, at 11:00 PM, Luke Donforth wrote: 

> I can't tell if I'm  remembering or writing a dance. Anyone recognize   
> this?  
> 
> Becket, ccw 
> A1 
> Men allemande Left 1.5x  
> Neighbor swing, end facing cw in big oval (women inside) 
> A2  
> Promenade with neighbor 
> Women turn back and swing new  neighbor 
> B1 
> Promenade back until across from partner  
> Men allemande Left 1.5x 
> B2 
> Partner gypsy (R) and  swing 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
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Re: [Callers] Does this exist?

[95sg23]

I like the "Gang of Four" much better, as IMHO men AL 1 1/2 is the most 
over-used figure in contradancing, and the other dance has (yikes!) two of 
them.  

- Original Message -
From: "Joy Greenwolfe"  
To: "Caller's discussion list"  
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:46:36 AM 
Subject: Re: [Callers] Does this exist? 

Hi Luke and all, 

This is strongly reminiscent of Gene Hubert's Gang of Four, but  I   
think yours is distinct. 

Joy Greenwolfe 
Durham, NC 

For comparison: 
Gang of Four by Gene Hubert, Jan '92 
duple contra Becket 

A1 
Circle L 3/4 
N swing, end facing in promenade position in large oval (gents L   
shoulder to the inside) 
A2 
Promenade around the oval CCW, going around the ends like a bicycle   
chain (about 6 steps) 
Ladies turn back to swing the new gent behind 
B1 
All circle L in large oval 
Forward and back (make sure you're across from P by the end) 
B2 
(new) Ladies allemande R 1+1/2 
P swing 


On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Luke Donforth wrote: 

> I can't tell if I'm remembering or writing a dance. Anyone recognize   
> this? 
> 
> Becket, ccw 
> A1 
> Men allemande Left 1.5x 
> Neighbor swing, end facing cw in big oval (women inside) 
> A2 
> Promenade with neighbor 
> Women turn back and swing new neighbor 
> B1 
> Promenade back until across from partner 
> Men allemande Left 1.5x 
> B2 
> Partner gypsy (R) and swing 
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