Re: [Callers] Looking for a CD that would have full length contra tunes for calling

[Laur via Callers]

Yes great


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On Saturday, April 7, 2018, 1:36 AM, Karen Fontana  
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 From the West: KGB (Seattle) "Volga Notions" -- " the music on this album is 
formatted for dancing or calling practice. Three tracks are waltzes, two are 
jig medleys, five are reel medleys, and one is a jig-to-reel medley."Has the 
four potatoes.. 
http://www.kgbmole.com/kgb/volga.html




On Friday, April 6, 2018, 8:44:00 PM PDT, Laur via Callers 
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 Cheryl, It’s a great CD  DO IT. 
I am also looking for tunes that have some intro beats to use. I did find some 
thanks to friends that had collections. 
Laurie


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On Friday, April 6, 2018, 10:53 PM, Mac Mckeever via Callers 
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We have one from 1998 dance weekend  - tracks are 9 to 12 min long.  They are 
strictly old-time bands and a little faster than some are used to
Might not be what you want - but let me know if  you want to try it
'Face the Creek'  $12 includes shipping
Mac McKeeverSt Louis
 

On Friday, April 6, 2018, 7:56:15 PM CDT, Cheryl Joyal via Callers 
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 Fellow Callers - Does anyone know of a CD that would have full contra length 
tunes that I could use to call from…… Thinking it is time I called a contra for 
my work friends in Greece in May. 
(Alternately know of any contra bands in Greece ?) Thanks in advance - Cheryl

Cheryl Joyalclmjoyal@gmail.comclmjoyal@aol.com630-667-3284 (cell)



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Re: [Callers] Looking for a CD that would have full length contra tunes for calling

[Karen Fontana via Callers]

 From the West: KGB (Seattle) "Volga Notions" -- " the music on this album is 
formatted for dancing or calling practice. Three tracks are waltzes, two are 
jig medleys, five are reel medleys, and one is a jig-to-reel medley."Has the 
four potatoes.. 
http://www.kgbmole.com/kgb/volga.html




On Friday, April 6, 2018, 8:44:00 PM PDT, Laur via Callers 
 wrote:  
 
 Cheryl, It’s a great CD  DO IT. 
I am also looking for tunes that have some intro beats to use. I did find some 
thanks to friends that had collections. 
Laurie


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On Friday, April 6, 2018, 10:53 PM, Mac Mckeever via Callers 
 wrote:

We have one from 1998 dance weekend  - tracks are 9 to 12 min long.  They are 
strictly old-time bands and a little faster than some are used to
Might not be what you want - but let me know if  you want to try it
'Face the Creek'  $12 includes shipping
Mac McKeeverSt Louis
 

On Friday, April 6, 2018, 7:56:15 PM CDT, Cheryl Joyal via Callers 
 wrote:  
 
 Fellow Callers - Does anyone know of a CD that would have full contra length 
tunes that I could use to call from…… Thinking it is time I called a contra for 
my work friends in Greece in May. 
(Alternately know of any contra bands in Greece ?) Thanks in advance - Cheryl

Cheryl Joyalclmjoyal@gmail.comclmjoyal@aol.com630-667-3284 (cell)



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Re: [Callers] Looking for a CD that would have full length contra tunes for calling

[Laur via Callers]

Cheryl, It’s a great CD  DO IT. 
I am also looking for tunes that have some intro beats to use. I did find some 
thanks to friends that had collections. 
Laurie


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On Friday, April 6, 2018, 10:53 PM, Mac Mckeever via Callers 
 wrote:

We have one from 1998 dance weekend  - tracks are 9 to 12 min long.  They are 
strictly old-time bands and a little faster than some are used to
Might not be what you want - but let me know if  you want to try it
'Face the Creek'  $12 includes shipping
Mac McKeeverSt Louis
 

On Friday, April 6, 2018, 7:56:15 PM CDT, Cheryl Joyal via Callers 
 wrote:  
 
 Fellow Callers - Does anyone know of a CD that would have full contra length 
tunes that I could use to call from…… Thinking it is time I called a contra for 
my work friends in Greece in May. 
(Alternately know of any contra bands in Greece ?) Thanks in advance - Cheryl

Cheryl Joyalclmjoyal@gmail.comclmjoyal@aol.com630-667-3284 (cell)



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Re: [Callers] Looking for a CD that would have full length contra tunes for calling

[Jack Mitchell via Callers]

The Live from the Guiding Star Grange double CD from Wild Asparagus

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 10:53 PM Mac Mckeever via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> We have one from 1998 dance weekend  - tracks are 9 to 12 min long.  They
> are strictly old-time bands and a little faster than some are used to
>
> Might not be what you want - but let me know if  you want to try it
>
> 'Face the Creek'  $12 includes shipping
>
> Mac McKeever
> St Louis
>
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2018, 7:56:15 PM CDT, Cheryl Joyal via Callers <
> callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>
> Fellow Callers - Does anyone know of a CD that would have full contra
> length tunes that I could use to call from…… Thinking it is time I called
> a contra for my work friends in Greece in May.
>
> (Alternately know of any contra bands in Greece ?) Thanks in advance -
> Cheryl
>
>
> Cheryl Joyal
> clmjo...@gmail.com
> clmjo...@aol.com
> 630-667-3284 <(630)%20667-3284> (cell)
>
>
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Re: [Callers] Looking for a CD that would have full length contra tunes for calling

[Mac Mckeever via Callers]

We have one from 1998 dance weekend  - tracks are 9 to 12 min long.  They are 
strictly old-time bands and a little faster than some are used to
Might not be what you want - but let me know if  you want to try it
'Face the Creek'  $12 includes shipping
Mac McKeeverSt Louis
 

On Friday, April 6, 2018, 7:56:15 PM CDT, Cheryl Joyal via Callers 
 wrote:  
 
 Fellow Callers - Does anyone know of a CD that would have full contra length 
tunes that I could use to call from…… Thinking it is time I called a contra for 
my work friends in Greece in May. 
(Alternately know of any contra bands in Greece ?) Thanks in advance - Cheryl

Cheryl Joyalclmjoyal@gmail.comclmjoyal@aol.com630-667-3284 (cell)



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[Callers] Looking for a CD that would have full length contra tunes for calling

[Cheryl Joyal via Callers]

Fellow Callers - Does anyone know of a CD that would have full contra length 
tunes that I could use to call from…… Thinking it is time I called a contra for 
my work friends in Greece in May. 

(Alternately know of any contra bands in Greece ?) Thanks in advance - Cheryl


Cheryl Joyal
clmjo...@gmail.com
clmjo...@aol.com
630-667-3284 (cell)




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Re: [Callers] Great dances for learning how to dance with ghosts?

[Yoyo Zhou via Callers]

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 2:52 PM, K Panton via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Warning: rabbit hole ahead.
>
> Colin: I read your text for your workshop. All useful stuff and you do say
> more than "treat your partner as a neighbour".
>
> Re Michael Fuerst's quote, I agree that end-effects are what they are and
> they are not (necessarily?) the point of the dance, but they sometimes must
> be dealt with head-on. Example: I have tried to make any sense of the end
> effects in the dance The Hobbit http://www.quiteapair.us/calli
> ng/acdol/dance/acd_283.html . I think it's a great dance - if you can
> avoid the ends - but I'll be [darned] if I can make it around the end
> successfully. I've tried calling it, walking thru at a callers workshop
> with several experienced dancers and none of us could make sense of the
> end-effects. We were missing some magical key to understanding (perhaps
> guarded by Smaug). "Go where you are needed" wasn't going to work. Nor were
> the other rules. Sometimes, it seems, the end-effects must be taught just
> as the dance. No easy feat.
>
In a workshop setting, you probably didn't have as many dancers as a normal
contra set and ran into end effects all the time; this can definitely push
the experience for the dancers from manageable (where people in the middle
can help out the end-effected) to unrecoverable (where everyone is lost),
in my experience.

Here's what Larry Jennings wrote in Give and Take in the theory section
(ML23, End Effects):

"In most cases, however, a neutral twosome should position themselves
across from each other so that the set will have alternating men and women
as the twosome gets reincorporated. If it is not obvious how to plan for
this, it is usually sufficient for the twosome to *scramble* to get the
disposition of dancers at the end of the set as much like the rest of the
set as possible."

This is fine advice for 95% of dances, but it can be challenging to figure
out on the fly.


I recall reading something, possibly from Jim Saxe on this list (and maybe
from Larry Jennings?), about how in most dances without out-of-minor-set
interactions, you come back into the set (and have no full minor set of 4
dancers) once - after progressing to the end. But in dances like The
Hobbit, where you leave the minor set once, you actually come back in to
the set 3 times. So the question for us as callers is, how do you
succinctly teach how to handle all of these situations? Dancers often can't
remember 1 instruction for end effects; 3 is right out.

In The Hobbit, here are the 3 places you come back in. Let's call the top
couple "couple 1", and if someone is waiting out above them, call them
"couple 0".

0. as couple 1 (with nobody out), top of A1
The start of the dance - it's a regular improper dance. Couple 1 should
come in as usual (gents left, ladies right).

1. as couple 1 (with nobody out), B1: pass through to original neighbor
If there's no couple 0, couple 1 goes out in the pull by in A1. We can
figure out that couple 1 should come in as usual (gents left, ladies right).

2. as couple 0, A1: pull by to previous neighbor
This is the couple that just went out at the top. They have to come back in
with gents on the right, ladies on the left! However - this is the key - if
they treat their partner as neighbor at the end (box the gnat, pull by),
they end up in the correct place.


All this is to say that the advice for this dance should be "dance with
your partner as neighbor at the end", because it turns out that works for
all the situations here.

Yoyo Zhou
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Re: [Callers] Great dances for learning how to dance with ghosts?

[Don Veino via Callers]

Hi Ken,

I've never called this one, but this is my take on the end effects from a
quick review (what the heck - the worst that could happen is I'm wrong!).

-Don

Notation is "DV1" (my initials, first cycle, assuming full/even sets) and
"DV2" (second cycle). If starting with a couple out, flip the cycles at
that end.
The Hobbitby Melanie Axel-Lute
Intermediate - Dup imp
*A1* (8)   Neighbor balance and box the gnat
DV1 => Still in same minor set, swapped place with N
DV2 => Couples out at end awaiting next move
(8)   Pull by with right hand to previous neighbor; with that one,
allemande left once around
DV1 => All have de-progressed one minor set temporarily. If kicked "out" at
the end, stay in place... don't do anything at end (or could allemande
ghost or partner 1x back to place and then wait there)
DV2 => end couples are temporarily back in the dance and participate
through the B1 first move.
*A2* (8)   Women (in new group of four) allemande right once and a half
DV1 => Gents are still on their home side, Ladies have crossed set
(8)   Partner swing
DV1 => all on Gent's home side, still de-progressed 1 minor set
*B1* (8)   Circle left 3/4 and pass through to original neighbor
DV1 => All are back at original minor set, nobody "out" now
DV2 => "out" couple is once again out, stay in place.
(8)   Swing original neighbor
DV1 => Back to standard improper home side, 1s below 2s (progressed)
*B2* (8)   Long lines forward and back
(8)   Lefthand star
DV1 => Puts end couple really "out" and they should cross over at this
point.
DV2 => "out" couple coming back into the dance for real but will be subject
to temporary ejection again (stay in place when it happens).

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 5:52 PM, K Panton via Callers <
callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

> Warning: rabbit hole ahead.
>
> Colin: I read your text for your workshop. All useful stuff and you do say
> more than "treat your partner as a neighbour".
>
> Re Michael Fuerst's quote, I agree that end-effects are what they are and
> they are not (necessarily?) the point of the dance, but they sometimes must
> be dealt with head-on. Example: I have tried to make any sense of the end
> effects in the dance The Hobbit http://www.quiteapair.us/calli
> ng/acdol/dance/acd_283.html . I think it's a great dance - if you can
> avoid the ends - but I'll be [darned] if I can make it around the end
> successfully. I've tried calling it, walking thru at a callers workshop
> with several experienced dancers and none of us could make sense of the
> end-effects. We were missing some magical key to understanding (perhaps
> guarded by Smaug). "Go where you are needed" wasn't going to work. Nor were
> the other rules. Sometimes, it seems, the end-effects must be taught just
> as the dance. No easy feat.
>
>
> Colin Hume via Callers
> 
>  Thu, 05 Apr 2018 02:42:50 -0700
> 
>
> I'm not sure that dancing with ghosts is the best way to deal with end-effects
> - I prefer "treat your partner as a neighbour".
>
> I have a whole section of notes on End-effects at  
> https://colinhume.com/dtendeffects.htm
>
> Colin Hume
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Re: [Callers] Great dances for learning how to dance with ghosts?

[K Panton via Callers]

Warning: rabbit hole ahead.

Colin: I read your text for your workshop. All useful stuff and you do say
more than "treat your partner as a neighbour".

Re Michael Fuerst's quote, I agree that end-effects are what they are and
they are not (necessarily?) the point of the dance, but they sometimes must
be dealt with head-on. Example: I have tried to make any sense of the end
effects in the dance The Hobbit
http://www.quiteapair.us/calling/acdol/dance/acd_283.html . I think it's a
great dance - if you can avoid the ends - but I'll be [darned] if I can
make it around the end successfully. I've tried calling it, walking thru at
a callers workshop with several experienced dancers and none of us could
make sense of the end-effects. We were missing some magical key to
understanding (perhaps guarded by Smaug). "Go where you are needed" wasn't
going to work. Nor were the other rules. Sometimes, it seems, the
end-effects must be taught just as the dance. No easy feat.


Colin Hume via Callers

 Thu, 05 Apr 2018 02:42:50 -0700


I'm not sure that dancing with ghosts is the best way to deal with end-effects
- I prefer "treat your partner as a neighbour".

I have a whole section of notes on End-effects at
https://colinhume.com/dtendeffects.htm

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Re: [Callers] Great dances for learning how to dance with ghosts?

[Colin Hume via Callers]

On Thu, 05 Apr 2018 23:08:43 +, Jack Mitchell wrote:
> That works a lot of the time, but it really doesn't work in dances like Ken 
> is talking about. Dance like song in
> the night (gene Hubert), or for other dances where you go out and then in and 
> then out, not necessarily with your
> partner.

"Song in the night" was the second dance I called in my End-effects workshop, 
and you're right that "Treat your partner as a 
neighbour" doesn't work here.  I do mention "dancing with ghosts" a few lines 
later, and generalise the rule to "Keep doing as 
much of the dance as you can", and I agree that here you need to do a star 
three-quarters with ghosts.

On Thu, 5 Apr 2018 23:34:02 -0400, K Panton via Callers wrote:
> "Happy as a Cold Pig in Warm Mud" would be another where a star with ghosts 
> would be on offer.

Here I think it's easier to do a left-hand turn with your shadow.

The really important thing is to get dancers _thinking_ about end-effects, 
rather than just reaching the end of the set and 
switching their brains off!

Colin Hume
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