Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Aahz Maruch]

[finally enough time to respond]

On Wed, Jun 05, 2013, Linda Leslie wrote:
> On Jun 5, 2013, at 9:01 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:
>>On Wed, Jun 05, 2013, Linda Leslie wrote:
>>>On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

Here's a Beckett with a circle that doesn't start with a circle:

Panix Dot Chat (a...@pobox.com)

Beckett formation

Right-and-left thru on left diagonal (8)
 (Yes, start with progression)
 (Warn ends about not moving)
Right-and-left thru new couple (8)
Circle left 3/4 (8)
Swing neighbor (8)
Pass through (4)
California twirl (4)
Men left-hand turn once-and-half (8)
Balance and swing partner (16)
>>>
>>>The dance is a double progression dance, so alerting dancers to the
>>>fact that "you will quickly be back in the dance at the top" should
>>>help. I also find that encouraging dancers to have an odd number of
>>>couples (an extra couple at the bottom of the set) helps; this way,
>>>they will get to dance with more of their neighbors.
>>
>>Nope, not double-progression, I hate double-progression. ;-) However,
>>the way it's constructed, nobody is ever out at the top; you're only
>>out when you're on the bottom with an odd number of couples.
>
> Hmm. I am going to respectfully disagree.  It might seem like a
> single progression, since you are doing 56 counts of the dance with
> just one couple. But, you are actually dancing with two distinct
> couples. You pass by the first couple in the R through on the left
> diagonal, this is the only movement danced with them. You then dance
> the remainder of the dance with a second couple.
>
> Another hint that this is double progression is the fact that you
> are not out at the top of the set (you indicate this in your notes,
> when you mention that the top couple should not move; if it were
> single progression, they would have to cross to other side of the
> set, and wait out one cycle of the dance). This is quite distinctive
> of double prog. dances.

Well, that's embarrassing.  You're right!  Thanks also to Chris Page and
Jim Saxe for their private corrections.

I think it's interesting that Becket formation lends iteself to this
mistake; I don't think I would/could have made it with duple improper.

Hey, Alan!  How come you didn't point this out earlier?  ;-)

After thinking, I don't think it's possible to rescue this dance without
completely rewriting it (given the other constraints I used in writing
it), so I guess I'll just have to live with it (I've called it two or
three times now and people like it).
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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[George Mercer]

Perry: Thanks.  In B1 should that be "neighbors swing?"  Thanks, George



On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Perry Shafran <ps...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Here's one I wrote without a circle:
>
> Dayton 1.5   Perry Shafran
>
> A1 Allem R N 1 1/2
> Men Al L 1 1/2
> A2 Bal & Sw P
> B1 Ladies DSD 1 1/2
> Sw P
> B2 R thru
> LH star
>
> The interesting thing is that I did not set out to have a dance without a
> circle, but that happened to be a nice byproduct of the choreography!
>
> Perry
>
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Kalia Kliban <ka...@sbcglobal.net>
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 3:42 PM
> Subject: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
>
>
> I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley contra
> this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left
> 3/4".  I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this
> otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching"
> by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle
> 3/4 is to the right) includes that move.  Aargh.
>
> Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of
> the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?
>
> Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle L
> 3/4)
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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Greg McKenzie]

Jim,

Regarding my story about Ted Sannella you wrote:

> I find this story surprising.  Are you sure you're remembering
> correctly and, if so, are you sure you're not omitting some
> important context or qualification of Ted's remark?
>

That's how I remember it.  I don't find it surprising at all.  This entire
thread is riddled with complaints about dancers taking too long to complete
a full circle in 8 counts and the need for teaching dancers how to do
faster circles.

I think Ted was simply pointing all of this out.  It's a good statement to
get the attention of callers...and of coriographers.

There are no absolutes here.  Maybe a full circle takes 9.3 beats.  I don't
know.  It was just a way to make a point.

Greg
West Coast, USA

Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[James Saxe]

On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:37 PM, Greg McKenzie wrote:

I remember once being in a caller's workshop with Ted Sannella and  
he asked
us how many beats a circle took.  We answered "eight," and he said  
"No.  A

circle really takes 10 beats."

- Greg McKenzie


Greg,

I find this story surprising.  Are you sure you're remembering
correctly and, if so, are you sure you're not omitting some
important context or qualification of Ted's remark?

I'm reminded, by the way, of being in a caller's workshop with
Larry Edelman where he asked us about how many beats it took to
do some figure.  (I don't remember for sure whether it was circle
four once around or some other nominally 8-beat figure.)  When we
answered "eight", he corrected us, saying that eight beats was
the time for dancers to do the figure *and be ready to do the
next thing*.

--Jim

Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[James Saxe]

On Jun 6, 2013, at 3:03 PM, I (Jim Saxe) quoted a 1996 posting
to rec.folk-dancing by Caroline Fahrney about choreography that
encourages good timing, and I then remarked


..., I agree with the person (Caroline guesses it may have
been Dan Pearl, but for all I know it could have been myself)
who suggested encouraging dancers to complete "circle L 3/4 and
pass through" in eight beats by having the next action be a
balance.I think there's little to be gained by pressing
dancers to circle briskly if the sequence is something like

Circle left 3/4 and pass through
New neighbors gypsy and swing
...


The part about "little to be gained" seemed vaguely familiar
as I was writing it.

I now find that in article 5 of _The Contra Connection_, "Zesty
Circles" (originally published in _CDSS News_, Issue 88, May/June
1988), Dan Pearl indeed mentions the sequence "circle left 3/4,
pass through along, balance and swing."  And in the same article,
Larry Jennings writes:

... little is gained by taking a stand on the sequence
"Circle left (8); left hand star (8)."  Everything is
gained by insisting on *either* "circle left 3/4 in a
compact group (6); pass through (2); start the next figure
on the strong beat" *or* "circle left 3/4 relatively
spaciously (8); give a satisfying tug to start a pass
through on the strong beat and continue the next figure."
However, all is lost if the caller fails to be very clear
about which interpretation prevails.

[The words "either" and "or", which I've emphasized using
asterisks, are underlining in the original. --js]

--Jim

Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Erik Hoffman]

Back in the old days...  We used to do an allemande in 8 beats.  Or 6 
beats.  Or 4 beats.  It depended on the dance, and we learned to space 
ourselves accordingly for various timings.  Arms wide for a zesty 8-beat 
allemande.  Pull in tighter for 6 or even closer for 4.


In my experience, the same thing applies to circles.  I think the big 
problem is the lack of giving weight in circles in general.  And an 
often lack of awareness of timing.  It is possible to circle left 3/4, 
pass through, and meet for a balance in 8 beats, but it takes an 
understanding of how to time the circle by all four dancers.  Or at 
least three of them...


~erik hoffman
Oakland, CA


On 6/6/2013 9:46 PM, Michael Fuerst wrote:

Well, just like athletes jump further and run and swim  faster today than they 
did thirty years ago, today contra dancers can circle once around in 8 beats
  
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  From: Greg McKenzie <greken...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
  


I remember once being in a caller's workshop with Ted Sannella and he asked
us how many beats a circle took.  We answered "eight," and he said "No.  A
circle really takes 10 beats."

- Greg McKenzie
West Coast, USA

**

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:08 PM, James Saxe <jim.s...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Chris Lahey wrote, on the subject
of getting dancers to complete the sequence "circle left 3/4,
pass through" in 8 beats:


   Could you prompt the pass through with more emphasis?  Maybe

5 - 6 - circle - left - 1 - 2 - three - quarters - pass - through - 7 - 8?

Or perhaps even "pass through now" with the now being on the 6 beat?
Or emphasize the balance beat so people realize they're late.


I think that this sequence is one for whihc it can be useful to
prompt a figure--namely "pass through"--with the last beat of the
call falling earlier than the beat just before the first beat of
the action.  Specifically, I often time the words "pass through"
so the word "through" falls on beat 4 of the circle, not beat 6.
You can hear some examples of other callers doing the same in
these videos:

   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=s_-uD_-nV6g<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_-uD_-nV6g>
   (Steve Zakon-Anderson calls a contra medley at the Concord
   Scout House.  Notice his timing on the third sequence in
   the medley, Lisa Greenlef's "After the Solstice", wich
   starts around 5:40.)

   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=MMInHQo4mJY<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMInHQo4mJY>
   (Maggie Cowan calls "Black Bird in the Night" by Don
   Flaherty.)

The idea is that if you say the word "through" by beat 4, it will
implicitly encourage slow circlers to pick up the pace.  If you
say "pass through" on beats 5 and 6, it's already too late to help
any dancers who haven't already gotten their circles turned 3/4 of
the way around by the time you say "through".

You could also try to explain the timing during the walk-through,
either by using numbers of beats (six to circle left 3/4; two to
pass through), or just by remarking that the time dancers have to
circle left 3/4 and pass through is the same time that some dances
allow for the circle 3/4 alone, so they (dancers) had better
make the circle a little brisker than they might expect.  Beware
that when you speak in declarative sentences or ask dancers to
picture a move that they're not doing right now (e.g., talking
about the timing of the circle while dancers are lined up after
the walk-through and waiting for the music to start), there are
likely to be some who won't be paying attention or who won't be
able to visualize whatever part of the dance you're blabbing
about.  On the other hand, a few dancers who already the basics of
timing might pick up on your words and be a little more attentive
about politely (I hope) helping their less experienced neighbors
to be on time.

It can also be helpful to have music that clearly telegraphs
when it's coming around to the first beat of the figure after
'Pass Through".

--Jim


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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Michael Fuerst]

Well, just like athletes jump further and run and swim  faster today than they 
did thirty years ago, today contra dancers can circle once around in 8 beats
 
Michael Fuerst      802 N Broadway      Urbana IL 61801   217-239-5844



 From: Greg McKenzie <greken...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
 

I remember once being in a caller's workshop with Ted Sannella and he asked
us how many beats a circle took.  We answered "eight," and he said "No.  A
circle really takes 10 beats."

- Greg McKenzie
West Coast, USA

**

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:08 PM, James Saxe <jim.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Chris Lahey wrote, on the subject
> of getting dancers to complete the sequence "circle left 3/4,
> pass through" in 8 beats:
>
>
>  Could you prompt the pass through with more emphasis?  Maybe
>>
>> 5 - 6 - circle - left - 1 - 2 - three - quarters - pass - through - 7 - 8?
>>
>> Or perhaps even "pass through now" with the now being on the 6 beat?
>> Or emphasize the balance beat so people realize they're late.
>>
>
> I think that this sequence is one for whihc it can be useful to
> prompt a figure--namely "pass through"--with the last beat of the
> call falling earlier than the beat just before the first beat of
> the action.  Specifically, I often time the words "pass through"
> so the word "through" falls on beat 4 of the circle, not beat 6.
> You can hear some examples of other callers doing the same in
> these videos:
>
>      
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=s_-uD_-nV6g<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_-uD_-nV6g>
>      (Steve Zakon-Anderson calls a contra medley at the Concord
>      Scout House.  Notice his timing on the third sequence in
>      the medley, Lisa Greenlef's "After the Solstice", wich
>      starts around 5:40.)
>
>      
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=MMInHQo4mJY<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMInHQo4mJY>
>      (Maggie Cowan calls "Black Bird in the Night" by Don
>      Flaherty.)
>
> The idea is that if you say the word "through" by beat 4, it will
> implicitly encourage slow circlers to pick up the pace.  If you
> say "pass through" on beats 5 and 6, it's already too late to help
> any dancers who haven't already gotten their circles turned 3/4 of
> the way around by the time you say "through".
>
> You could also try to explain the timing during the walk-through,
> either by using numbers of beats (six to circle left 3/4; two to
> pass through), or just by remarking that the time dancers have to
> circle left 3/4 and pass through is the same time that some dances
> allow for the circle 3/4 alone, so they (dancers) had better
> make the circle a little brisker than they might expect.  Beware
> that when you speak in declarative sentences or ask dancers to
> picture a move that they're not doing right now (e.g., talking
> about the timing of the circle while dancers are lined up after
> the walk-through and waiting for the music to start), there are
> likely to be some who won't be paying attention or who won't be
> able to visualize whatever part of the dance you're blabbing
> about.  On the other hand, a few dancers who already the basics of
> timing might pick up on your words and be a little more attentive
> about politely (I hope) helping their less experienced neighbors
> to be on time.
>
> It can also be helpful to have music that clearly telegraphs
> when it's coming around to the first beat of the figure after
> 'Pass Through".
>
> --Jim
>
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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Greg McKenzie]

I remember once being in a caller's workshop with Ted Sannella and he asked
us how many beats a circle took.  We answered "eight," and he said "No.  A
circle really takes 10 beats."

- Greg McKenzie
West Coast, USA

**

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:08 PM, James Saxe  wrote:

>
> On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Chris Lahey wrote, on the subject
> of getting dancers to complete the sequence "circle left 3/4,
> pass through" in 8 beats:
>
>
>  Could you prompt the pass through with more emphasis?  Maybe
>>
>> 5 - 6 - circle - left - 1 - 2 - three - quarters - pass - through - 7 - 8?
>>
>> Or perhaps even "pass through now" with the now being on the 6 beat?
>> Or emphasize the balance beat so people realize they're late.
>>
>
> I think that this sequence is one for whihc it can be useful to
> prompt a figure--namely "pass through"--with the last beat of the
> call falling earlier than the beat just before the first beat of
> the action.  Specifically, I often time the words "pass through"
> so the word "through" falls on beat 4 of the circle, not beat 6.
> You can hear some examples of other callers doing the same in
> these videos:
>
>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=s_-uD_-nV6g
>  (Steve Zakon-Anderson calls a contra medley at the Concord
>  Scout House.  Notice his timing on the third sequence in
>  the medley, Lisa Greenlef's "After the Solstice", wich
>  starts around 5:40.)
>
>  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=MMInHQo4mJY
>  (Maggie Cowan calls "Black Bird in the Night" by Don
>  Flaherty.)
>
> The idea is that if you say the word "through" by beat 4, it will
> implicitly encourage slow circlers to pick up the pace.  If you
> say "pass through" on beats 5 and 6, it's already too late to help
> any dancers who haven't already gotten their circles turned 3/4 of
> the way around by the time you say "through".
>
> You could also try to explain the timing during the walk-through,
> either by using numbers of beats (six to circle left 3/4; two to
> pass through), or just by remarking that the time dancers have to
> circle left 3/4 and pass through is the same time that some dances
> allow for the circle 3/4 alone, so they (dancers) had better
> make the circle a little brisker than they might expect.  Beware
> that when you speak in declarative sentences or ask dancers to
> picture a move that they're not doing right now (e.g., talking
> about the timing of the circle while dancers are lined up after
> the walk-through and waiting for the music to start), there are
> likely to be some who won't be paying attention or who won't be
> able to visualize whatever part of the dance you're blabbing
> about.  On the other hand, a few dancers who already the basics of
> timing might pick up on your words and be a little more attentive
> about politely (I hope) helping their less experienced neighbors
> to be on time.
>
> It can also be helpful to have music that clearly telegraphs
> when it's coming around to the first beat of the figure after
> 'Pass Through".
>
> --Jim
>
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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[James Saxe]

On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Chris Lahey wrote, on the subject
of getting dancers to complete the sequence "circle left 3/4,
pass through" in 8 beats:


Could you prompt the pass through with more emphasis?  Maybe

5 - 6 - circle - left - 1 - 2 - three - quarters - pass - through -  
7 - 8?


Or perhaps even "pass through now" with the now being on the 6 beat?
Or emphasize the balance beat so people realize they're late.


I think that this sequence is one for whihc it can be useful to
prompt a figure--namely "pass through"--with the last beat of the
call falling earlier than the beat just before the first beat of
the action.  Specifically, I often time the words "pass through"
so the word "through" falls on beat 4 of the circle, not beat 6.
You can hear some examples of other callers doing the same in
these videos:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_-uD_-nV6g
 (Steve Zakon-Anderson calls a contra medley at the Concord
 Scout House.  Notice his timing on the third sequence in
 the medley, Lisa Greenlef's "After the Solstice", wich
 starts around 5:40.)

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMInHQo4mJY
 (Maggie Cowan calls "Black Bird in the Night" by Don
 Flaherty.)

The idea is that if you say the word "through" by beat 4, it will
implicitly encourage slow circlers to pick up the pace.  If you
say "pass through" on beats 5 and 6, it's already too late to help
any dancers who haven't already gotten their circles turned 3/4 of
the way around by the time you say "through".

You could also try to explain the timing during the walk-through,
either by using numbers of beats (six to circle left 3/4; two to
pass through), or just by remarking that the time dancers have to
circle left 3/4 and pass through is the same time that some dances
allow for the circle 3/4 alone, so they (dancers) had better
make the circle a little brisker than they might expect.  Beware
that when you speak in declarative sentences or ask dancers to
picture a move that they're not doing right now (e.g., talking
about the timing of the circle while dancers are lined up after
the walk-through and waiting for the music to start), there are
likely to be some who won't be paying attention or who won't be
able to visualize whatever part of the dance you're blabbing
about.  On the other hand, a few dancers who already the basics of
timing might pick up on your words and be a little more attentive
about politely (I hope) helping their less experienced neighbors
to be on time.

It can also be helpful to have music that clearly telegraphs
when it's coming around to the first beat of the figure after
'Pass Through".

--Jim

Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Michael Fuerst]

Dancers in th Midwest are not circle left 3/4   impaired 
 
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Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
 

> I notice the same problem, even worse, when it's a swing your partner on
> the side and then slide left Becket progression.  Everyone wants to milk
> every last beat out of that swing and then they scramble to catch up for
> the rest of the dance because they missed the slide left.  Grumble,
> grumble, kids these days...


In such situations, shouldn't the slide left happen at the beginning of the
phrase?  My problem with that progression is on the other hand-- people
don't realize that the circle that often comes after the slide left is only
6 beats.

The entire time I've been dancing, I've noticed the issue of people not
doing circles in the appropriate amount of time.  There are some very
popular dances that confound this problem (such as The Baby Rose, which
gives you 8 beats for a 3/4 circle).  I don't know if it's something
callers can help by explaining that 3/4 circles should only take six beats,
and that full circles should take eight, but it becomes a problem any time
there's a circle left 3/4, followed by a move that is supposed to take 2
beats to finish the phrase.

-Dave

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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[James Saxe]

The issue of dancers taking more than 8 beats to dance "circle
left 3/4 and pass through" is hardly new.  I just did some
searching and found a thread from the rec.folk-dancing
Usenet group

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/rec.folk- 
dancing/Xq5WTQmksrE


that starts with Caroline Fahrney writing, in Novemeber, 1996,
about some earlier conversation:

someone ... took the conversation to the topic of "moves
which encourage good timing." The example given was the use
of circle L 3/4 and pass through to balance and swing a new
neighbor, to work on dance communities which couldn't circle
completely in 8 beats. There, the balance at the end was the
carrot to encourage prompt circling.

The thread then drifts off onto the topics like clearly (or
unclearly) phrased music, and I don't think anyone follows up
on Caroline's request for ideas about encouraging good timing
through choices of choreography.  And, alas, I've been unable
to find the earlier conversation to which Caroline refers.

Anyway, I agree with the person (Caroline guesses it may have
been Dan Pearl, but for all I know it could have been myself)
who suggested encouraging dancers to complete "circle L 3/4 and
pass through" in eight beats by having the next action be a
balance.  I think there's little to be gained by pressing
dancers to circle briskly if the sequence is something like

 Circle left 3/4 and pass through
 New neighbors gypsy and swing

or (as in "Mary Cay's Reel")

 [starting in Becket formation]
 A1  Circle left 3/4
 Pass neighbor by right shoulder
 New neighbors allemande left
 A2  Original neighbors balance and swing

I have some other ideas about helping dancers discover how to
dance "circle left 3/4 and pass through" in 8 beats, but I'll
put them in in a separate message instead of down here in
tl;dr territory.

--Jim

On Jun 6, 2013, at 5:47 AM, Read Weaver wrote:

Maybe i've only recently noticed it, rather than it being a change,  
but in the last couple of years I've noticed a lot more dances that  
end with circle L 3/4 and pass through. The timing always ends up  
off for this, as most dancers use 8 counts to do the circle, leaving  
them late for whatever move starts the dance. (6 counts for the  
circle & 2 to pass through would stay on the phrasing). I'd say it's  
about 80:20 8count:6count, which is enough of a mismatch to lead to  
disappointment as the dance begins each time, with folks arriving  
for the first move at different times (if everyone got it "wrong"  
there'd be almost no problem--though the choreography still might  
feel poor). The caller pointing it out during the walk through would  
help, but that doesn't seem to happen.


What I find odd is that this definitely seems like a new issue--is  
this a relatively new move? But as I said, maybe it's only new to my  
noticing.


--Read Weaver
Jamaica Plain, MA
http://lcfd.org

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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Chris Lahey]

In particular with the Baby Rose, the DSD also doesn't take the full 8
beats.  It's still a great dance though.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Dave Casserly
 wrote:
>> I notice the same problem, even worse, when it's a swing your partner on
>> the side and then slide left Becket progression.  Everyone wants to milk
>> every last beat out of that swing and then they scramble to catch up for
>> the rest of the dance because they missed the slide left.  Grumble,
>> grumble, kids these days...
>
>
> In such situations, shouldn't the slide left happen at the beginning of the
> phrase?  My problem with that progression is on the other hand-- people
> don't realize that the circle that often comes after the slide left is only
> 6 beats.
>
> The entire time I've been dancing, I've noticed the issue of people not
> doing circles in the appropriate amount of time.  There are some very
> popular dances that confound this problem (such as The Baby Rose, which
> gives you 8 beats for a 3/4 circle).  I don't know if it's something
> callers can help by explaining that 3/4 circles should only take six beats,
> and that full circles should take eight, but it becomes a problem any time
> there's a circle left 3/4, followed by a move that is supposed to take 2
> beats to finish the phrase.
>
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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Dave Casserly]

> I notice the same problem, even worse, when it's a swing your partner on
> the side and then slide left Becket progression.  Everyone wants to milk
> every last beat out of that swing and then they scramble to catch up for
> the rest of the dance because they missed the slide left.  Grumble,
> grumble, kids these days...


In such situations, shouldn't the slide left happen at the beginning of the
phrase?  My problem with that progression is on the other hand-- people
don't realize that the circle that often comes after the slide left is only
6 beats.

The entire time I've been dancing, I've noticed the issue of people not
doing circles in the appropriate amount of time.  There are some very
popular dances that confound this problem (such as The Baby Rose, which
gives you 8 beats for a 3/4 circle).  I don't know if it's something
callers can help by explaining that 3/4 circles should only take six beats,
and that full circles should take eight, but it becomes a problem any time
there's a circle left 3/4, followed by a move that is supposed to take 2
beats to finish the phrase.

-Dave

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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Chris Lahey]

Could you prompt the pass through with more emphasis?  Maybe

5 - 6 - circle - left - 1 - 2 - three - quarters - pass - through - 7 - 8?

Or perhaps even "pass through now" with the now being on the 6 beat?
Or emphasize the balance beat so people realize they're late.

I try to prompt circle left and swings with the "swing your neighbor"
being a prompt to start swinging on the 7 so that people will be used
to this timing as well.

I think the best thing would be to mention it during the walk through of course.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Kalia Kliban  wrote:
> I can't speak to it being a new issue but I've noticed the late progression
> as well.  It drives me crazy when I'm dancing, especially if there's
> supposed to be a balance at the top of the A1.  As a caller, once the dance
> has begun it's almost impossible to try and bend that timing back into line.
> You're right that it's a good thing to stress in the walk-through.  Maybe a
> few folks will pick up on it and the good timing will spread.  I can dream,
> can't I?
>
> I notice the same problem, even worse, when it's a swing your partner on the
> side and then slide left Becket progression.  Everyone wants to milk every
> last beat out of that swing and then they scramble to catch up for the rest
> of the dance because they missed the slide left.  Grumble, grumble, kids
> these days...
>
> Kalia
>
>
> On 6/6/2013 5:47 AM, Read Weaver wrote:
>>
>> Maybe i've only recently noticed it, rather than it being a change, but in
>> the last couple of years I've noticed a lot more dances that end with circle
>> L 3/4 and pass through. The timing always ends up off for this, as most
>> dancers use 8 counts to do the circle, leaving them late for whatever move
>> starts the dance. (6 counts for the circle & 2 to pass through would stay on
>> the phrasing). I'd say it's about 80:20 8count:6count, which is enough of a
>> mismatch to lead to disappointment as the dance begins each time, with folks
>> arriving for the first move at different times (if everyone got it "wrong"
>> there'd be almost no problem--though the choreography still might feel
>> poor). The caller pointing it out during the walk through would help, but
>> that doesn't seem to happen.
>
>
> I can't speak to it being a new issue but I've noticed the late progression
> as well.  It drives me crazy when I'm dancing, especially if there's
> supposed to be a balance at the top of the A1.  As a caller, once the dance
> has begun it's almost impossible to try and bend that timing back into line.
> You're right that it's a good thing to stress in the walk-through.  Maybe a
> few folks will pick up on it and the good timing will spread.  I can dream,
> can't I?
>
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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Kalia Kliban]

I can't speak to it being a new issue but I've noticed the late 
progression as well.  It drives me crazy when I'm dancing, especially if 
there's supposed to be a balance at the top of the A1.  As a caller, 
once the dance has begun it's almost impossible to try and bend that 
timing back into line.  You're right that it's a good thing to stress in 
the walk-through.  Maybe a few folks will pick up on it and the good 
timing will spread.  I can dream, can't I?


I notice the same problem, even worse, when it's a swing your partner on 
the side and then slide left Becket progression.  Everyone wants to milk 
every last beat out of that swing and then they scramble to catch up for 
the rest of the dance because they missed the slide left.  Grumble, 
grumble, kids these days...


Kalia

On 6/6/2013 5:47 AM, Read Weaver wrote:

Maybe i've only recently noticed it, rather than it being a change, but in the last couple of 
years I've noticed a lot more dances that end with circle L 3/4 and pass through. The timing 
always ends up off for this, as most dancers use 8 counts to do the circle, leaving them late 
for whatever move starts the dance. (6 counts for the circle & 2 to pass through would 
stay on the phrasing). I'd say it's about 80:20 8count:6count, which is enough of a mismatch 
to lead to disappointment as the dance begins each time, with folks arriving for the first 
move at different times (if everyone got it "wrong" there'd be almost no 
problem--though the choreography still might feel poor). The caller pointing it out during 
the walk through would help, but that doesn't seem to happen.


I can't speak to it being a new issue but I've noticed the late 
progression as well.  It drives me crazy when I'm dancing, especially if 
there's supposed to be a balance at the top of the A1.  As a caller, 
once the dance has begun it's almost impossible to try and bend that 
timing back into line.  You're right that it's a good thing to stress in 
the walk-through.  Maybe a few folks will pick up on it and the good 
timing will spread.  I can dream, can't I?


Kalia

Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Read Weaver]

Maybe i've only recently noticed it, rather than it being a change, but in the 
last couple of years I've noticed a lot more dances that end with circle L 3/4 
and pass through. The timing always ends up off for this, as most dancers use 8 
counts to do the circle, leaving them late for whatever move starts the dance. 
(6 counts for the circle & 2 to pass through would stay on the phrasing). I'd 
say it's about 80:20 8count:6count, which is enough of a mismatch to lead to 
disappointment as the dance begins each time, with folks arriving for the first 
move at different times (if everyone got it "wrong" there'd be almost no 
problem--though the choreography still might feel poor). The caller pointing it 
out during the walk through would help, but that doesn't seem to happen.

What I find odd is that this definitely seems like a new issue--is this a 
relatively new move? But as I said, maybe it's only new to my noticing.

--Read Weaver
Jamaica Plain, MA
http://lcfd.org

Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Martha Wild]

This is often a problem if one insists on having every single dance have two 
swings in it. Many, many dances get that by the circle left 3/4 route, and it 
really gets old. 

Here's a fairly simple dance I put together - I don't know if anyone else has 
written it before as it is rather straightforward and the whole B is in other 
dances, but since I didn't have another version I call it as this:

Magone's Maggot #3   

Duple improper  
March 30, 2001

 

A1  Long lines forward and back

  Swing neighbor

A2  Women go forward, lure partner back 

  Swing partner

B1  Star right

  Star left

B2  Promenade across

  Women chain

Note: A2 is NOT a "Give and Take". I like to have the women use four counts to 
go all the way over to the men, and then either take hands and draw them back 
with four counts or lure them back with their eyes. I have never liked the give 
and take move, the forward movement is stopped too soon, maybe only two steps, 
people sort of crash into each other, just highly unsatisfying. Anyway, 2 
swings if you must have them, and no circle.

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>   5. Re: Circle left 3/4 (frannie)
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> I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley contra 
> this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left 
> 3/4".  I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this 
> otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching" 
> by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle 
> 3/4 is to the right) includes that move.  Aargh.
> 
> Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of 
> the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?
> 
> Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle L 3/4)
> 
> 
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> Here's one I wrote without a circle:
> 
> Dayton 1.5?? Perry Shafran
> 
> A1 Allem R N 1 1/2
> Men Al L 1 1/2
> A2 Bal & Sw P
> B1 Ladies DSD 1 1/2
> Sw P
> B2 R thru
> LH star
> 
> The interesting thing is that I did not set out to have a dance without a 
> circle, but that happened to be a nice byproduct of the choreography!
> 
> Perry
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Subject: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
> 
> 
> I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley contra 
> this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left 
> 3/4".? I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this 
> otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching" 
> by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle 
> 3/4 

Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Linda Leslie]

Hmm. I am going to respectfully disagree.  It might seem like a  
single progression, since you are doing 56 counts of the dance with  
just one couple. But, you are actually dancing with two distinct  
couples. You pass by the first couple in the R through on the left  
diagonal, this is the only movement danced with them. You then dance  
the remainder of the dance with a second couple.
Another hint that this is double progression is the fact that you are  
not out at the top of the set (you indicate this in your notes, when  
you mention that the top couple should not move; if it were single  
progression, they would have to cross to other side of the set, and  
wait out one cycle of the dance). This is quite distinctive of double  
prog. dances.


Becket Reel is another Double prog. dance that progresses in the same  
way that your dance does, except that the progression occurs at the  
B1. You can see the dance below.

Hope this explanation helps!
warmly, Linda

Becket Reel   By Herbie Gaudreau

Becket formation, double clockwise progression

A1  Allemande left your corner, swing partner

A2  full ladies chain across

B1 on the left diagonal: half right and left through

straight across: half right and left through

B2(across) star left

star right

* note that you end with your left hand free ready for the initial  
allemande left


On Jun 5, 2013, at 9:01 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:


On Wed, Jun 05, 2013, Linda Leslie wrote:

On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:


Here's a Beckett with a circle that doesn't start with a circle:

Panix Dot Chat (a...@pobox.com)

Beckett formation

Right-and-left thru on left diagonal (8)
 (Yes, start with progression)
 (Warn ends about not moving)
Right-and-left thru new couple (8)
Circle left 3/4 (8)
Swing neighbor (8)
Pass through (4)
California twirl (4)
Men left-hand turn once-and-half (8)
Balance and swing partner (16)


The dance is a double progression dance, so alerting dancers to the
fact that "you will quickly be back in the dance at the top" should
help. I also find that encouraging dancers to have an odd number of
couples (an extra couple at the bottom of the set) helps; this way,
they will get to dance with more of their neighbors.


Nope, not double-progression, I hate double-progression.  ;-)   
However,
the way it's constructed, nobody is ever out at the top; you're only  
out

when you're on the bottom with an odd number of couples.
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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Aahz Maruch]

On Wed, Jun 05, 2013, Linda Leslie wrote:
> On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:
>>
>>Here's a Beckett with a circle that doesn't start with a circle:
>>
>>Panix Dot Chat (a...@pobox.com)
>>
>>Beckett formation
>>
>>Right-and-left thru on left diagonal (8)
>>   (Yes, start with progression)
>>   (Warn ends about not moving)
>>Right-and-left thru new couple (8)
>>Circle left 3/4 (8)
>>Swing neighbor (8)
>>Pass through (4)
>>California twirl (4)
>>Men left-hand turn once-and-half (8)
>>Balance and swing partner (16)
>
> The dance is a double progression dance, so alerting dancers to the
> fact that "you will quickly be back in the dance at the top" should
> help. I also find that encouraging dancers to have an odd number of
> couples (an extra couple at the bottom of the set) helps; this way,
> they will get to dance with more of their neighbors.

Nope, not double-progression, I hate double-progression.  ;-)  However,
the way it's constructed, nobody is ever out at the top; you're only out
when you're on the bottom with an odd number of couples.
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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Linda Mrosko]

Funny (to me, anyway).  I broke all my dances down by specific moves over
the years - and one category without a move are dances without a circle.  I
find I have 347 contra dances that don't have a circle of any kind.  LOL!

This breakdown has really helped me plan dances because invariably I end up
with too many circles or too many chains or too many Do-Si-Dos.



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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Linda Leslie]

The dance is a double progression dance, so alerting dancers to the  
fact that "you will quickly be back in the dance at the top" should  
help. I also find that encouraging dancers to have an odd number of  
couples (an extra couple at the bottom of the set) helps; this way,  
they will get to dance with more of their neighbors.

Linda

On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:


On Wed, Jun 05, 2013, Robert Golder wrote:


There are many no-circle dances; "Flirtation Reel" by Tony Parkes  
is a

modern classic. A special subset is no-circle Becket dances, which I
started collecting a few years ago. It is always handy to have Becket
dances that do NOT begin with "Circle left 3/4 to un-Becket?" You  
will

find that Becket dances can start in a great variety of ways. "Tenth
Year in Tommerup" by Linda Leslie is a good example (starts with  
gents

allemande left). ? Bob


Here's a Beckett with a circle that doesn't start with a circle:

Panix Dot Chat (a...@pobox.com)

Beckett formation

Right-and-left thru on left diagonal (8)
   (Yes, start with progression)
   (Warn ends about not moving)
Right-and-left thru new couple (8)
Circle left 3/4 (8)
Swing neighbor (8)
Pass through (4)
California twirl (4)
Men left-hand turn once-and-half (8)
Balance and swing partner (16)
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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Kalia Kliban]

Wow, thanks all for the the helpful links and dance suggestions!  Lots 
of homework to do, and it's underscoring the need to get my dances into 
a searchable database so that finding the ones without x, y and/or z 
doesn't take more than a couple of minutes.  I think I've gotten the 
program whipped into shape, with only a few (and varied) circle lefts. 
Phew!  Of course, trying to _also_ avoid a big pile-up of "long lines F 
and B" and "men allemande L 1-1/2" turned this process into something 
the SAT folks would be proud of.  And did I mention the time pressure? 
Sheesh.


Anyway, I really appreciate the help from everyone out there.  You guys 
are great!


Kalia

Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Perry Shafran]

Yes!  Typo... ;)


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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Aahz Maruch]

On Wed, Jun 05, 2013, Robert Golder wrote:
>
> There are many no-circle dances; "Flirtation Reel" by Tony Parkes is a
> modern classic. A special subset is no-circle Becket dances, which I
> started collecting a few years ago. It is always handy to have Becket
> dances that do NOT begin with "Circle left 3/4 to un-Becket?" You will
> find that Becket dances can start in a great variety of ways. "Tenth
> Year in Tommerup" by Linda Leslie is a good example (starts with gents
> allemande left). ? Bob

Here's a Beckett with a circle that doesn't start with a circle:

Panix Dot Chat (a...@pobox.com)

Beckett formation

Right-and-left thru on left diagonal (8)
(Yes, start with progression)
(Warn ends about not moving)
Right-and-left thru new couple (8)
Circle left 3/4 (8)
Swing neighbor (8)
Pass through (4)
California twirl (4)
Men left-hand turn once-and-half (8)
Balance and swing partner (16)
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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Alan Winston]

On 6/5/2013 12:48 PM, Perry Shafran wrote:

Here's one I wrote without a circle:

Dayton 1.5   Perry Shafran

A1 Allem R N 1 1/2
Men Al L 1 1/2
A2 Bal & Sw P
B1 Ladies DSD 1 1/2
Sw P
B2 R thru
LH star


Isn't the swing in B1 with N rather than P?

-- Alan

Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Erik Hoffman]

When considering moves think about what they do:

A circle left 3/4 moves everyone to the right one spot.  This means that 
one person ends on the side they started with, and the other crosses 
over.  The vast majority of the time it's the man who ends up on the 
same side they started on, and the women ends up crossing over.  With 
this in mind, if you want to modify a dance to create a bit more 
variation you could, instead:


* have the woman (person who changes side) allemande 1-1/2.
* do a Balance the Ring, and have that person cross
* a give & take
* women chain
* and I'm sure there are other ways of getting someone to cross the set

one of these variants may work in the choreography of the dance.

And, of course, you could just ask a bunch of people for dances that 
don't include the move, like those others have submitted and:


"There is no way to Peace; Peace is the way"
Becket
Erik Hoffman
A1  Women Do Si Do;  Partner Swing
A2  Men Allemande Left 1-1/2;  Neighbor Swing
B1  Long Lines Forward & Back;  Women Right Elbow Turn 1-1/2
B2  Women Star Promenade Partner 3/4 until two (new-Next Neighbor) Men meet
   Men link Left Elbows (women let go of the right elbow) to Star 
Promenade
   End on Own Side with a butterfly twirl to face that same Next 
Neighbor couple
Note: the quote is a saying from A. J. Muste, our nations one time "most 
famous pacifist."  It boggles my mind that, with our corporate media 
tied to the military-industrial complex, we could have ever had a famous 
pacifist.  Then again, we had Martin Luther King, too...


More Again
Penn Fix
Improper
A1  (Current) Neighbor Do Si Do
   -- end in long waves, Neighbor in Right, Previous Neighbor
   in Left, Men facing out, Women in
  Balance the wave (4)
  Current Neighbor Allemande Right
A2  Previous Neighbor Allemande Left;  Current Neighbor Swing
B1  Men Allemande Left 1-1/2;  Partner Swing
B2  Women Allemande Right, pull Partner to Center with Left,
   Men Pull By with Right, Current Neighbor Allemande Left 1-1/4
   to meet next Neighbor for the A1 DSD

Curly Cues
Erik Hoffman
Improper
A1 -- a "Wizard Walk like Move":
   1s split the 2s to meet Next (future #2-Neighbors)
With Future 2s Gypsy until the ones can cast up
and around current 2s to original place, where the 1s
cross to proper sides ending in a line of four with the 2s
in the center
A1   Down Hall 4 in line, fold line (momentary circle) 1s join
hands, 2s open up for a line facing up the hall, now 1s
in center.   2s hand cast the 1s to long lines
B1   1s turn Contra Corners
B2   1s Balance & Swing Partner
My variation of Chorus Jig...

~erik hoffman
Oakland, CA

On 6/5/2013 12:53 PM, frannie wrote:

Circle L 3/4 & swing, Circle L 3/4 & pass thru, Circle L 3/4 & balance the
wave, Circle L 3/4 & balance the ring all feel just a little different.
And it's better than having a program with all gents allemande L 1.5!
I've had this problem before!
~ frannie
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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[James Saxe]

Kalia,

There are lots of good dances out there that don't include
"Circle left 3/4".  See, for example, this message from the
archive

http://www.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers/2012-April/ 
004668.html


in which Chris Page lists a bunch of dances that include a
hey but not circle left (any amount) or ladies chain.  (Some
may include a circle right.)

See also this archived message

http://www.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers/2012-March/ 
004654.html


in which I discuss why the figure

  * Circle left 3/4

  * Gents [or ladies] allemande 1 1/2

and

  * Women chain

tend to show up in a lot of dances and offer some examples of
less common moves that achieve the same choreographic purpose,
namely moving men or women, but not both, to the opposite side
of the set, so that the dance can include both a partner swing
and a neighbor swing.

--Jim

On Jun 5, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote:

I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley  
contra this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words  
"circle left 3/4".  I know there are dances where you don't do that,  
but in this otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2  
("Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting  
Frolic" in which the cirle 3/4 is to the right) includes that move.   
Aargh.


Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric  
of the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers  
crazy?


Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without  
circle L 3/4)

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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Donna Hunt]

Oh, yes, a pet peeve of mine (along with men allemande left 3/4).  Sometimes it 
seems like every choreographer uses those too much.  Here are some dances sans 
circles.



Becketin the Kitchen by Becky Hill   Becket 1/4 turn to right
 
A1 Long Lines Fwd and Back
LadiesChain
A2Balance ring and Petronella twirl to right
  Balance ring and Petronella twirl to right
B1 Star left 1x
Swingnext neighbor
B2 Men Allemande left 1 1/2
SwingPartner


Get MeGoing – Lisa GreenleafIMP
 
A1  Balance and Swing Neighbor
A2  Long Lines fwd and back
 Ladies Do si do 1 ½
B1  Balance and Swing Partner
B2  Ladies Chain
  Star Left 1x


Hay inthe Barn – Chart GuthrieImproper
A1  Balance and Swing Neighbor
A2  Ladies Chain
Ladies start ½ hey
B1  Balance and Swing Partner
B2  Ladies Chain
Ladies start ½ hey

 

Shadrack’s Delight  Tony Parkes   Improper
A1.  8Neighbor do-si-do 1¼ to wave across
 (Ladiesin middle with left)
4,4 Balance, neighbor allem R ½
 
A2.  4,4 Balance, gents allem L ½
8Partner swing – face down
 
B1.  8Down hall in line 4x4 – turn as a couple
8Up hall and bend the line  (orig: middlescast up & around ends)
 
B2.  8R and L through
8  Ladies chain to neighbor


Heritage Reel   TonyParkes   Improper
A1.  4,12   Neighbor balance,&  swing
 
A2.  8Long lines forward and back
8Gents allem L 1½
 
B1.  4,12   Partner balance, & swing
 
B2.  8R and L through
8Ladies chain to neighbor


Get Me Going – Lisa GreenleafImproper
A1   Balance  Neighbor
 
A2   Long Lines fwd andback
LadiesDo si do 1 ½
 
B1   Balance  Partner
 
B2   Ladies Chain
Star Left 1x


 

Donna

 

 

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From: Kalia Kliban <ka...@sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: [Callers] Circle left 3/4


I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley contra 
this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left 
3/4".  I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this 
otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching" 
by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle 
3/4 is to the right) includes that move.  Aargh.

Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of 
the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?

Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle L 3/4)
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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Robert Golder]

There are many no-circle dances; "Flirtation Reel" by Tony Parkes is a modern 
classic. A special subset is no-circle Becket dances, which I started 
collecting a few years ago. It is always handy to have Becket dances that do 
NOT begin with "Circle left 3/4 to un-Becket…" You will find that Becket dances 
can start in a great variety of ways. "Tenth Year in Tommerup" by Linda Leslie 
is a good example (starts with gents allemande left). … Bob

Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[frannie]

Circle L 3/4 & swing, Circle L 3/4 & pass thru, Circle L 3/4 & balance the
wave, Circle L 3/4 & balance the ring all feel just a little different.
And it's better than having a program with all gents allemande L 1.5!
I've had this problem before!
~ frannie

Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Kalia Kliban]

On the plus side, as I look more closely, the circle L 3/4 is followed 
by a quite different thing in each dance, so the transitions are 
different...


On 6/5/2013 12:42 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote:

I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley contra
this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left
3/4".  I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this
otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching"
by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle
3/4 is to the right) includes that move.  Aargh.

Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of
the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?

Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle L
3/4)
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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Jack Mitchell]

Here are a few without a CL 3/4 (or any circle at all).  There are a 
bunch more but these are the first 4 that came to mind.


*The Missing Piece*-- Bronwyn WoodsImproper

*A1*N B

*A2*Gents Alle L 1½
P Sw

*B1*LL F
Ladies Chain

*B2*Ring Balance, Petronella
Ring Balance, Petronella
[look for new neighbor -- behind you]



*Punctuated Raindrops* -- Gene HubertImproper

Notes: The timing is a bit tight in B1, so it may help to anticipate the 
start of the hey.Composed in Dec. '96 as a variation on my Dancing 
Raindrops.


*A1*N Alle L 1¾, Same N Alle R 1½
to Wavy Line (Gents by LH in the middle)

*A2*Wave Balance, Gents Alle L ½ (quick alle -- 2 beats)
P Sw

*B1*LL F
½ Hey
catch partner by LH to swing the ladies into a wave (ladies in middle by RH)

*B2*Wave Balance, Ladies Alle R ½
N Sw


*Salmonella Evening *- Steve Zakon-Anderson & Louie CromartieImproper

*A1:*Neighbor Alle R 1½
Gents Alle Left 1½

*A2:*Partner Gypsy and Swing

*B1:*Balance Ring, PetronellaTwirl
Balance Ring, Petronella Twirl

*B2:*Balance Ring, Petronella Twirl
Balance Ring, Pass Thru Along the Set


*Kitchen Stomp* - Becky HillImproper

Tunes with punctuated four beat phrases in the Bs. Strong jigs or reels.

*A1:*Neighbor Balance and Swing

*A2:*Gents Alle Left 1½
P Sw

*B1:*Ladies Chain
Balance the Ring, PetronellaTwirl

*B2:*Balance the Ring, PetronellaTwirl
LHS



On 6/5/2013 3:42 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote:
I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley 
contra this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words 
"circle left 3/4".  I know there are dances where you don't do that, 
but in this otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows 
are Watching" by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in 
which the cirle 3/4 is to the right) includes that move.  Aargh.


Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of 
the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?


Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle 
L 3/4)

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Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Perry Shafran]

Here's one I wrote without a circle:

Dayton 1.5   Perry Shafran

A1 Allem R N 1 1/2
Men Al L 1 1/2
A2 Bal & Sw P
B1 Ladies DSD 1 1/2
Sw P
B2 R thru
LH star

The interesting thing is that I did not set out to have a dance without a 
circle, but that happened to be a nice byproduct of the choreography!

Perry





 From: Kalia Kliban <ka...@sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 3:42 PM
Subject: [Callers] Circle left 3/4
 

I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley contra 
this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left 
3/4".  I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this 
otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching" 
by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle 
3/4 is to the right) includes that move.  Aargh.

Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of 
the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?

Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle L 3/4)
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[Callers] Circle left 3/4

[Kalia Kliban]

I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley contra 
this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left 
3/4".  I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this 
otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching" 
by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle 
3/4 is to the right) includes that move.  Aargh.


Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of 
the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?


Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle L 3/4)