Re: [ccp4bb] selenomethionine labeling

2009-03-27 Thread Ho-Leung Ng
Hello Jerry,

 We use the Van Duyne et al feedback inhibition method with BL21
and have never had a problem.


ho
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Subject: selenomethionine labeling

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Dear All:

 I got a problem with the expression of one N-terminal His6 tagged pro=
tein in B834 cells when I tried to do selenomethionine labeling.=20

  However=2C the protein can be expressed in BL21{DE3) cells.=20

  Welcome any troubleshooting tips.

  All the best=2C

Jerry


[ccp4bb] off topic - static laser light scattering

2009-03-27 Thread Anastassis Perrakis

Dear all,

The MALLS instruments on-line with an FPLC and with an RI detector,  
should provide an 'absolute MW', shape independent,
and indeed in our hands they do well. Until yesterday, where a 21kD  
protein pretends to be 25 kD. We did the mass spec
anyway, and its 21kD as we expected to the residue, but I am still  
puzzled by that result.


One central assumption for the MALLS formulas, is that dn/dc, the  
specific refractive index increment, is constant for unmodified  
proteins,
made by aa with no sugars etc. Literature suggests dn/dc values for  
proteins to be constant and between 0.189/0.190 is a good value,
with minimal buffer dependence for aqueous buffers with 'the usual'  
salts.


I am a rather bad physicist, but my reading tells me that dn/dc, and  
thus light scattering, depends to the laser-light induced dipole in  
the molecule. Is there any reason to believe that in theory a  
molecule with a very particular charge distribution (eg a small DNA  
binding protein which is already a 'dipole') would have significantly  
different dn/dc values? Is anyone aware of such an experiment?  
Literature searches were in vain ...


Best -

Tassos


[ccp4bb] Problems installing tasks to CCP4i - not yet solved.

2009-03-27 Thread Max, Klaas
Hi Tim, 

thankyou very much for the fast reply.


Dear colleagues,

Tim suggested:

Hi Klaas
...
Actually, you don't need to install arpwarp through the ccp4i interface. 
Once you setup your ccp4 environment, you can just run the install.sh (or 
install.csh in your case) which is in the arp-warp directory and 
everything should be set up for you.
Tim


Been there, done that. Ain't working.

To be more specific, the installer is required to set up ARP/wARP, appears to 
run flawlessly and ends with lots of ok messages. Finally the script 
terminates with the remark:

Installing GUI for ARP/wARP 7.0.1
CCP4 interface version detected is : 2.0.3
Using tarball ARP_wARP_CCP4I6.tar.gz (for ccp4 version 6 and newer).

 *** INSTALLATION OF ARP/wARP 7.0.1 GUI HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL *** 


When I now try to run a ARP/wARP task in CCP4i after sourcing the 
arpwarp_setup.csh, I get the message: An interface to ARP/wARP is not 
available. The ARP/wARP interface doesn't appear to have been installed.


Any further suggestions are most welcome.

Cheers,
Klaas

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[ccp4bb] XDS and ESRF ID23-1 images

2009-03-27 Thread Miguel Ortiz Lombardia

Dear all,

Not a CCP4 question.
We seem unable to process with XDS a set of images collected at ESRF  
ID23-1.


Images can be open and processed by other software (adxv, mosflm...)  
They have appropriate read permissions and so has the directory where  
we run XDS. We use the latest XDS binaries (VERSION  January 30, 2009)  
or the previous one (expiring next week) for Mac OSX (Intel) and the  
input file for ID23-1 created at the beam line or the one in the  
XDSwiki. In all cases we get this error:


 !!! ERROR !!! Data image does not exist: x2-id23_1_001.img

Any idea of where the problem may be?

Cheers,


Miguel
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Re: [ccp4bb] XDS and ESRF ID23-1 images

2009-03-27 Thread Martin Hallberg
I have seen this when the actual size of the image is different from  
what

XDS expects. If you have now:
NX=6144 NY=6144 QX=0.0513 QY=0.0513
try
NX=3072 NY=3072 QX=0.10259 QY=0.10259
or the other way around.
If the auto-generated input file doesn't match your images it might be
because the binning has been changed.

Cheers,
Martin


On Mar 27, 2009, at 2:46 PM, Miguel Ortiz Lombardia wrote:


Dear all,

Not a CCP4 question.
We seem unable to process with XDS a set of images collected at ESRF  
ID23-1.


Images can be open and processed by other software (adxv, mosflm...)  
They have appropriate read permissions and so has the directory  
where we run XDS. We use the latest XDS binaries (VERSION  January  
30, 2009) or the previous one (expiring next week) for Mac OSX  
(Intel) and the input file for ID23-1 created at the beam line or  
the one in the XDSwiki. In all cases we get this error:


!!! ERROR !!! Data image does not exist: x2-id23_1_001.img

Any idea of where the problem may be?

Cheers,


Miguel
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Architecture et Fonction des Macromolécules Biologiques
UMR6098 ( CNRS, U. de Provence, U. de la Méditerranée )
Case 932
163 Avenue de Luminy
13288 Marseille cedex 9
France
Tel : +33(0) 491 82 55 93
Fax: +33(0) 491 26 67 20
e-mail: miguel.ortiz-lombar...@afmb.univ-mrs.fr
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Re: [ccp4bb] Problems installing tasks to CCP4i - not yet solved.

2009-03-27 Thread Michele Lunelli
Hi Klaas,

I had exactly the same problem with opensuse 11.1. I installed the precompiled
version of ccp4 6.1.1, so I don't think the problem is related to the compiler.

I resolved the problem in a dirty way, simply copying the ccp4i configuration
files for arp/warp from another installation of ccp4 on a machine running suse
9.1. Indeed, with suse 9.1 the installation of the arp/warp ccp4i interface is
successful.

I suspect that the problem is related to the new versions of tcl/tk. Try to use
the one distributed on the ccp4 server ftp://ftp.ccp4.ac.uk/tcltk/TclTk-8.4 --
install it locally on your user account and set accordingly the variable
CCP4I_TCLTK in the ccp4.setup-dist file.


Hope it helps,
Michele


Max, Klaas wrote:
 Hi Tim,
 
 thankyou very much for the fast reply.
 
 
 Dear colleagues,
 
 Tim suggested:
 
Hi Klaas
 ...
Actually, you don't need to install arpwarp through the ccp4i interface.
Once you setup your ccp4 environment, you can just run the install.sh (or
install.csh in your case) which is in the arp-warp directory and
everything should be set up for you.
Tim
 
 
 Been there, done that. Ain't working.
 
 To be more specific, the installer is required to set up ARP/wARP,
 appears to run flawlessly and ends with lots of ok messages. Finally
 the script terminates with the remark:
 
 Installing GUI for ARP/wARP 7.0.1
 CCP4 interface version detected is : 2.0.3
 Using tarball ARP_wARP_CCP4I6.tar.gz (for ccp4 version 6 and newer).
 
  *** INSTALLATION OF ARP/wARP 7.0.1 GUI HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL ***
 
 
 When I now try to run a ARP/wARP task in CCP4i after sourcing the
 arpwarp_setup.csh, I get the message: An interface to ARP/wARP is not
 available. The ARP/wARP interface doesn't appear to have been installed.
 
 
 Any further suggestions are most welcome.
 
 Cheers,
 Klaas
 
 ---
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 MDC Berlin Buch
 Macromolecular Structures and Interactions
 Robert-Roessle-Strasse 10
 13125 Berlin
 
 phone +49 30 9406 2265
 fax   +49 30 9406 2548
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Re: [ccp4bb] XDS and ESRF ID23-1 images

2009-03-27 Thread Miguel Ortiz Lombardia

Hi Ronnie and others,

Le 27 mars 09 à 15:02, Ronnie Berntsson a écrit :

This might be a bit too obvious, but have you checked that the path  
to the images is correct? The path written in the input files  
generated on the beamline reflects where the images were located in  
the file tree there. Does it match where you have the files on your  
own computer?


Yes and no... it looked the same, however there was a hidden extra  
character between the question marks '?' in the template! Not visible  
in 'vim' or 'less' but became apparent with:


cat -tve XDS.INP

So, next time I will read more carefully the error message (there were  
three '?' instead of the four I thought were written in the XDS.INP  
file)


However, that was not all the story.

Le 27 mars 09 à 14:57, Marija Backovic a écrit :

I had a similar problem, and it was because I had played with  
changing some of the detector hardware parameters (NX, NY values in  
the XDS.INP). I know this has nothing to do with the availability of  
images :) Once I set the NX and NY back to the original value,  
defined by the XDS.INP file, the problem was solved. You can find  
the appropriate XDS.INP, corresponding to the detector you used, at http://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/xdswiki/index.php/XDS.INP



Indeed, some of the detector hardware parameters (NX, NY) in the  
XDS.INP seemed to be incorrect in the input file generated at the beam  
line. The file from the XDSwiki for ID23-1 worked fine once the extra  
character was removed from the template name.


Thanks to all who replied!


Miguel
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Architecture et Fonction des Macromolécules Biologiques
UMR6098 ( CNRS, U. de Provence, U. de la Méditerranée )
Case 932
163 Avenue de Luminy
13288 Marseille cedex 9
France
Tel : +33(0) 491 82 55 93
Fax: +33(0) 491 26 67 20
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Re: [ccp4bb] off topic - static laser light scattering

2009-03-27 Thread Engin Ozkan

Dear Tassos,

Your assumptions are right, if (1) your dn/dc is accurate, or (2) your 
machine is calibrated. We recently measured a protein of a similar size 
to yours, and when a 700 Da ligand was added to the buffer, the measured 
protein mass was increased accordingly. So MALS can be pretty accurate. 
For our dn/dc, for pure proteins, we always use 0.185 (not 0.19). For 
sugar groups, we assume a dn/dc of 0.14, and estimate a mass-averaged 
value for the glycoprotein (usually somewhere between 0.175 to 0.18). 
For DNA and RNA, the values will be different, again.


You may also realize that by changing a simple calibration constant, you 
can modify your measured molar masses anyway you want. It may be time 
for a recalibration (it is not difficult, you can do it yourself). We 
tend to regularly run BSA, and see if everything is as expected with our 
equipment.


Good luck,

Engin

Anastassis Perrakis wrote:

Dear all,

The MALLS instruments on-line with an FPLC and with an RI detector, 
should provide an 'absolute MW', shape independent,
and indeed in our hands they do well. Until yesterday, where a 21kD 
protein pretends to be 25 kD. We did the mass spec
anyway, and its 21kD as we expected to the residue, but I am still 
puzzled by that result.


One central assumption for the MALLS formulas, is that dn/dc, the 
specific refractive index increment, is constant for unmodified proteins,
made by aa with no sugars etc. Literature suggests dn/dc values for 
proteins to be constant and between 0.189/0.190 is a good value,
with minimal buffer dependence for aqueous buffers with 'the usual' 
salts.


I am a rather bad physicist, but my reading tells me that dn/dc, and 
thus light scattering, depends to the laser-light induced dipole in 
the molecule. Is there any reason to believe that in theory a 
molecule with a very particular charge distribution (eg a small DNA 
binding protein which is already a 'dipole') would have significantly 
different dn/dc values? Is anyone aware of such an experiment? 
Literature searches were in vain ...


Best -

Tassos


Re: [ccp4bb] Problems sourcing

2009-03-27 Thread Phan, Jason
Dear List,

I am trying to install the latest CCP4 6.1.1 binaries on Linux and
running into sourcing problem. I could source the ccp4.setup file as
root (c-shell) and ccp4 ran just fine. But as a user, with the same
shell, I could not source the setup file. The error is setenv: Too many
arguments. There are so many environment variables in that file it's
impossible to find the culprit. Could someone help me out?

Thanks,
Jason


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Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] Crystal vacuum cleaner

2009-03-27 Thread Jacob Keller
I think Dr. Loll has expressed my reasons for my original suggestion. When 
there are skins, evaporation, etc., crystal catching can be a real pain, and 
then you break your best crystal...

What if you could just go up to your intended crystal and vacuum it up, and 
whisk it away to the dewar?

Jacob



  - Original Message - 
  From: Patrick Loll 
  To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
  Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:35 AM
  Subject: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] Crystal vacuum cleaner


  Pretty cool, but the examples shown are all gigantic. Having just spent a 
frustrating several hours chasing 5 um crystals, I'd give half my kingdom for a 
simple way to catch THOSE little buggers (damn you, surface tension!).



  Begin forwarded message:


From: Patrick Shaw Stewart patr...@douglas.co.uk
Date: March 27, 2009 8:41:53 AM EDT
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal vacuum cleaner
Reply-To: Patrick Shaw Stewart patr...@douglas.co.uk


Jacob

Have you seen the Crystal Catcher system, developed in Japan?

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008APExp...1c7002K

Some of us saw it at a recent IUCr meeting, but I don’t know anyone who has 
tried it with their own proteins

Patrick




  
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Re: [ccp4bb] off topic - static laser light scattering

2009-03-27 Thread Jacob Keller
Is it possible, as I have heard about some DNA-binding proteins, that it is 
at least partially intrinsically disordered (ID), which might change the 
Stokes radius? You could cross-check by SDS-PAGE or SEC (ID's run larger). 
CD, with careful protein quantification, might also do the trick. ID itself 
might also change the dn/dc value, perhaps due to hydration (about that I am 
not sure, though--I have read that this has an effect on PSV for AUC, 
though).


Jacob

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- Original Message - 
From: Engin Ozkan eoz...@stanford.edu

To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] off topic - static laser light scattering



Dear Tassos,

Your assumptions are right, if (1) your dn/dc is accurate, or (2) your 
machine is calibrated. We recently measured a protein of a similar size to 
yours, and when a 700 Da ligand was added to the buffer, the measured 
protein mass was increased accordingly. So MALS can be pretty accurate. 
For our dn/dc, for pure proteins, we always use 0.185 (not 0.19). For 
sugar groups, we assume a dn/dc of 0.14, and estimate a mass-averaged 
value for the glycoprotein (usually somewhere between 0.175 to 0.18). For 
DNA and RNA, the values will be different, again.


You may also realize that by changing a simple calibration constant, you 
can modify your measured molar masses anyway you want. It may be time for 
a recalibration (it is not difficult, you can do it yourself). We tend to 
regularly run BSA, and see if everything is as expected with our 
equipment.


Good luck,

Engin

Anastassis Perrakis wrote:

Dear all,

The MALLS instruments on-line with an FPLC and with an RI detector, 
should provide an 'absolute MW', shape independent,
and indeed in our hands they do well. Until yesterday, where a 21kD 
protein pretends to be 25 kD. We did the mass spec
anyway, and its 21kD as we expected to the residue, but I am still 
puzzled by that result.


One central assumption for the MALLS formulas, is that dn/dc, the 
specific refractive index increment, is constant for unmodified proteins,
made by aa with no sugars etc. Literature suggests dn/dc values for 
proteins to be constant and between 0.189/0.190 is a good value,
with minimal buffer dependence for aqueous buffers with 'the usual' 
salts.


I am a rather bad physicist, but my reading tells me that dn/dc, and thus 
light scattering, depends to the laser-light induced dipole in the 
molecule. Is there any reason to believe that in theory a molecule with 
a very particular charge distribution (eg a small DNA binding protein 
which is already a 'dipole') would have significantly different dn/dc 
values? Is anyone aware of such an experiment? Literature searches were 
in vain ...


Best -

Tassos




Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal vacuum cleaner

2009-03-27 Thread Jacob Keller
Does your system eliminate the need for cryoprotection? Also, how do you 
time the buffer-removal/freezing steps?


JPK

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- Original Message - 
From: Watanabe Nobuhisa nobuh...@nusrc.nagoya-u.ac.jp

To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Cc: Jacob Keller j-kell...@md.northwestern.edu
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal vacuum cleaner



I am not sure this is the answer for your question, but please check,
http://www.nusrc.nagoya-u.ac.jp/WatanabeLab/XtalMount/index.html

We named it as a loopless mounting method in the paper, but now we 
leave the loop...


The vacuum cleaner I have used for the method is my mouth. But we  have 
just developed a semi-automatic equipment. I hope we will be able  to 
submit the manuscript soon.


Nobuhisa Watanabe, PhD.
===
Synchrotron Radiation Research Center
Department of Biotechnology and Biomaterial Chemistry,
Graduate School of Engineering
Nagoya University
C1-3(651) Furo-cho Chikusa-ku, Nagoya 4648603 Japan
Email: nobuh...@nagoya-u.jp  Fax: +81-52-789-5286

On 2009/03/27, at 4:43, Jacob Keller wrote:


Dear Crystallographers,

Has anybody ever heard of mounting crystals in tiny crystal-sized 
capillaries, such as are pulled by patch-pipet machines, or those  used 
in microfluidics? The material could be either glass or  plastic, and one 
could have some method of continuous positive or  negative pressure, 
perhaps through a hole in the crystal cap.  Anyway, once safely inside 
the tiny capilary, one could freeze it at  leisure, without concern for 
evaporation. It would really make  harvesting easy--just vacuum up the 
crystal, then plop in LiqN2/ propane as per usual. I guess it could also 
really be done with  appropriate modification of a micro-manipulator.


Jacob

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[ccp4bb] SBGrid Computing School - May 5th-8th 2009

2009-03-27 Thread SBGrid Computing School

Hello,

There are available spots remaining for the 2009 SBGrid Computing  
School, please see below for more information.


Please Note: SBGCS registration fees will increase for any attendee  
who registers after Friday, April 3, 2009. Starting April 4th  
Nanocourses will increase to $119.00, and Super Tutorials will  
increase $35.00.


The 2009 SBGrid Computing School will offer three (3) Nanocourses:

1.  Python Programming for Scientists (Registration Closed for Python)
2.  Molecular Visualization (Limited Space Available)
3.  OS X Programming for Mac and iPhones (Limited Space Available)

Nanocoruses will offer an intensive two-day training and will be  
concluded by a take-home assignment. Participants who successfully  
complete a nanocourse will receive a certificate. Please Note: You can  
only take one (1) of the three (3) nanocourses being offered  
(nanocourses will run concurrently).


In addition to the nanocourses we will also offer several lecture and  
workshop sessions:


1.	Software Showcase Session- Will feature a keynote presentation by  
Frank Delaglio (Pymol).
2.	Quo Vadis Structural Biology? Session- Will include presentations  
by members of the SBGrid consortium:

-Anna Pyle from Yale University
-Dinshaw Patel from Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
-Brandt Eichman from Vanderbilt University

We will also have four (4) Super-Tutorials Sessions:

1.  Phenix (Limited Space Available)
2.  CCP4 (Limited Space Available)
3.  SHARP (Limited Space Available)
4.  NMR for Crystallographers (Limited Space Available)

Please Note: You can take all four Super-Tutorials! Please visit http://school.sbgrid.org 
 for a list of invited speakers.


Visit the SBGrid Computing School website at http://school.sbgrid.org  
to register.


If you have any questions please email sch...@sbgrid.org

We're looking forward to seeing you in May!

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Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal vacuum cleaner

2009-03-27 Thread Kevin Jude

As an undergrad late in the last century, I used a micromanipulator,
quartz capillaries, and a device similar to a patch pipet (manually
operated via a screw) to do just this.  It was just about the time that
nylon loops were coming into wide use, though, and I gladly abandoned he
capillary method in favor of loops.  For microcrystals, I favor using
micromesh mounts from MiTeGen.

--
Kevin M. Jude
Berger Lab
California Institute for Quantitative Biosciences
University of California, Berkeley

On 3/26/09 12:43 PM, Jacob Keller wrote:

Dear Crystallographers,
 
Has anybody ever heard of mounting crystals in tiny crystal-sized 
capillaries, such as are pulled by patch-pipet machines, or those used 
in microfluidics? The material could be either glass or plastic, and one 
could have some method of continuous positive or negative pressure, 
perhaps through a hole in the crystal cap. Anyway, once safely inside 
the tiny capilary, one could freeze it at leisure, without concern for 
evaporation. It would really make harvesting easy--just vacuum up the 
crystal, then plop in LiqN2/propane as per usual. I guess it could also 
really be done with appropriate modification of a micro-manipulator.
 
Jacob
 
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Northwestern University
Medical Scientist Training Program
Dallos Laboratory
F. Searle 1-240
2240 Campus Drive
Evanston IL 60208
lab: 847.491.2438
cel: 773.608.9185
email: j-kell...@northwestern.edu mailto:j-kell...@northwestern.edu
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Re: [ccp4bb] Problem sourcing

2009-03-27 Thread Phan, Jason
Dear Ian,

I got bumped out at this line:

Setenv PATH ${PATH}:${XIA2CORE_ROOT}/Test

Could you shed some light on this? I'm using C shell. It can't be the
syntax since I could source as root.

Thanks,
Jason



-Original Message-
From: Ian Tickle [mailto:i.tic...@astex-therapeutics.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:39 PM
To: Phan, Jason
Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk
Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] Problems sourcing


Hi Jason

Type 'set verbose' (without the apostrophes) and trying sourcing again,
it should stop just before the offending line.

Cheers

-- Ian

 -Original Message-
 From: owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk [mailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk]
On
 Behalf Of Phan, Jason
 Sent: 27 March 2009 16:24
 To: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk
 Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] Problems sourcing
 
 Dear List,
 
 I am trying to install the latest CCP4 6.1.1 binaries on Linux and
 running into sourcing problem. I could source the ccp4.setup file as
 root (c-shell) and ccp4 ran just fine. But as a user, with the same
 shell, I could not source the setup file. The error is setenv: Too
many
 arguments. There are so many environment variables in that file it's
 impossible to find the culprit. Could someone help me out?
 
 Thanks,
 Jason
 
 
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Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal vacuum cleaner

2009-03-27 Thread R.M. Garavito

Jacob,

Although the use of patch-clamp pipettes and micromanipulators come to  
mind, I just wonder about what would happen to the pipette and the  
fluid in it when you flash-froze it.  Nonetheless, the idea of a means  
to transfer small crystals easily and quickly has some merit.  In  
another incarnation many years ago, I dabbled in developmental  
biology.  To  select out small invertebrate eggs (from sea urchins and  
sand dollars), which were about 80-100 microns in diameter, we used a  
braking pipette to them pick them up, one at a time.  Even smaller  
single amoeba cells (like amoeba) can be handled in this way.  While  
you could attach one to a micromanipulator, I always used it by hand  
as it was much faster.


There are several different types, and they could be used to handle  
objects/cells as small as 20 microns in diameter.  A Google book  
search will bring up Methods in Cell Physiology, Volume 1 by David M.  
Prescott,1964.  See Chapter 8, page 128, (G. E. Stone and I. L.  
Cameron) for a description of one style of braking pipette.  The  
primary concept is that a narrow constriction/aperture within the  
pipette causes enough air flow resistance to increase markedly the  
amount of suction needed to move a small volume of liquid.  Hence, we  
could mouth pipette single cells trivially without sucking them  
clear through the pipette or taking in too much fluid.  For those who  
have done wet mounts of crystals in capillaries, we know how  
difficult it can be to control the suction.


We made our braking pipettes out of two pieces:  (1) a sampling  
capillary with one end pulled the make the narrow aperture and (2) a  
holder made out of a cut-off Pasteur pipette.  The sampling capillary  
was placed inside the cut-off Pasteur pipette so the sampling tip  
stuck out.  Then the junction was sealed with the old main-stay:  
sealing wax.  Attaching a tube to the other end of the Pasteur pipette  
allowed for mouth pipetting.  It's about a 10 min job to prepare.


Cheers,

Michael

Also see: Lloyd Claff, C.  ''Braking'' Pipettes  Science, Volume 105,  
Issue 2717, pp. 103-104




R. Michael Garavito, Ph.D.
Professor of Biochemistry  Molecular Biology
513 Biochemistry Bldg.
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824-1319
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On Mar 27, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Jacob Keller wrote:

I think Dr. Loll has expressed my reasons for my original  
suggestion. When there are skins, evaporation, etc., crystal  
catching can be a real pain, and then you break your best crystal...


What if you could just go up to your intended crystal and vacuum it  
up, and whisk it away to the dewar?


Jacob



- Original Message -
From: Patrick Loll
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:35 AM
Subject: [ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] Crystal vacuum cleaner

Pretty cool, but the examples shown are all gigantic. Having just  
spent a frustrating several hours chasing 5 um crystals, I'd give  
half my kingdom for a simple way to catch THOSE little buggers (damn  
you, surface tension!).


Begin forwarded message:


From: Patrick Shaw Stewart patr...@douglas.co.uk
Date: March 27, 2009 8:41:53 AM EDT
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Crystal vacuum cleaner
Reply-To: Patrick Shaw Stewart patr...@douglas.co.uk

Jacob
Have you seen the Crystal Catcher system, developed in Japan?
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008APExp...1c7002K
Some of us saw it at a recent IUCr meeting, but I don’t know anyone  
who has tried it with their own proteins

Patrick



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Professor of Biochemistry  Molecular Biology
Director, Biochemistry Graduate Program
Drexel University College of Medicine
Room 10-102 New College Building
245 N. 15th St., Mailstop 497
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[ccp4bb] Adding Non-natural Base to RNA Model in Coot

2009-03-27 Thread Buz Barstow

Dear All,

I'd like to add substitute a natural base (adenine) for a non-natural  
base (2-aminopurine), in a molecular model of an RNA molecule.


I'd like to do this with CCP4 and Coot. Could I ask for some help  
please?


Thanks! and all the best,

--Buz


[ccp4bb] Phaser SAD+MR followed by CNS

2009-03-27 Thread Kelly-Anne Twist
Hello all,

I have a structure that has been solved by MR and now have experimental SAD
phases that I hope will improve the map.
I used Phaser for this from within the CCP4i suite but I would like to take
the solution and work with it further in CNS.

Is there a way to generate a .hkl file from the Phaser output .mtz file?

-- 
Kelly-Anne


Re: [ccp4bb] Phaser SAD+MR followed by CNS

2009-03-27 Thread Roger Rowlett




The CCP4 mtz2various will do this. A sample script
and instructions for using the CCP4i GUI can be found at
http://capsicum.colgate.edu/chwiki/tiki-index.php?page=Phase+Solution#File_preparation.
The example cited is for preparing a file for EPMR, which is a simple
hklF listing.

Cheers,

-- 

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Professor
Colgate University Presidential Scholar
Department of Chemistry
Colgate University
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Kelly-Anne Twist wrote:
Hello all,
  
I have a structure that has been solved by MR and now have experimental
SAD phases that I hope will improve the map.
I used Phaser for this from within the CCP4i suite but I would like to
take the solution and work with it further in CNS.
  
Is there a way to generate a .hkl file from the Phaser output .mtz file?
  
-- 
Kelly-Anne 








Re: [ccp4bb] Phaser SAD+MR followed by CNS

2009-03-27 Thread Folmer Fredslund
Dear Kelly-Anne

2009/3/27 Kelly-Anne Twist wils...@rockefeller.edu:
 Hello all,

 I have a structure that has been solved by MR and now have experimental SAD
 phases that I hope will improve the map.
 I used Phaser for this from within the CCP4i suite but I would like to take
 the solution and work with it further in CNS.

 Is there a way to generate a .hkl file from the Phaser output .mtz file?


There is also the possibility to check the CNS pages at
http://cns-online.org/v1.21/ (also nice to have if you get further
problems) and they also have a page on converting to hkl format:
http://cns-online.org/v1.21/tutorial/sf_convert/mtz_to_cns/text.html


Best regards,
Folmer


[ccp4bb] !RE: [ccp4bb] Problem sourcing

2009-03-27 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Jason

Nothing obviously wrong there (I assume that the capital 'S' in 'Setenv'
is just your mail client being silly?).  Is that the last line printed?
(sorry I got it wrong before, I just checked  the source will stop
*after* the offending line, not before as I said, so it's the last line
you want).  If you paste the bad line at the shell prompt do you get the
same error?  Try 'set echo'  source again (you can turn both verbosity
and echoing on for max info!).  This will expand the variables ($PATH
etc).

Are you actually using C shell (csh) or TC shell (tcsh)?  csh has some
rubbish features  I wouldn't recommend it!  If you have actually
installed csh I would install tcsh instead!  I think the CCP4 shell
script actually assumes you have tcsh not csh.

Hope this helps!

Cheers

-- Ian

 -Original Message-
 From: owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk [mailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk]
On
 Behalf Of Phan, Jason
 Sent: 27 March 2009 18:52
 To: Ian Tickle
 Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk
 Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] Problem sourcing
 
 Dear Ian,
 
 I got bumped out at this line:
 
 Setenv PATH ${PATH}:${XIA2CORE_ROOT}/Test
 
 Could you shed some light on this? I'm using C shell. It can't be the
 syntax since I could source as root.
 
 Thanks,
 Jason
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ian Tickle [mailto:i.tic...@astex-therapeutics.com]
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:39 PM
 To: Phan, Jason
 Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk
 Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] Problems sourcing
 
 
 Hi Jason
 
 Type 'set verbose' (without the apostrophes) and trying sourcing
again,
 it should stop just before the offending line.
 
 Cheers
 
 -- Ian
 
  -Original Message-
  From: owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk
[mailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk]
 On
  Behalf Of Phan, Jason
  Sent: 27 March 2009 16:24
  To: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk
  Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] Problems sourcing
 
  Dear List,
 
  I am trying to install the latest CCP4 6.1.1 binaries on Linux and
  running into sourcing problem. I could source the ccp4.setup file as
  root (c-shell) and ccp4 ran just fine. But as a user, with the same
  shell, I could not source the setup file. The error is setenv: Too
 many
  arguments. There are so many environment variables in that file
it's
  impossible to find the culprit. Could someone help me out?
 
  Thanks,
  Jason
 
 
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Re: [ccp4bb] Problem sourcing

2009-03-27 Thread Ben Eisenbraun
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 02:52:10PM -0400, Phan, Jason wrote:
 I got bumped out at this line:
 
 Setenv PATH ${PATH}:${XIA2CORE_ROOT}/Test

What does $PATH expand to?  If you had a directory with a space in it, 
that would generate the error you're seeing.

 Could you shed some light on this? I'm using C shell. It can't be the
 syntax since I could source as root.

root might well have a different PATH.

-ben

--
Ben Eisenbraun
Structural Biology Grid   Harvard Medical School
http://sbgrid.org http://hms.harvard.edu


Re: [ccp4bb] Problem sourcing

2009-03-27 Thread William G. Scott

On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Phan, Jason wrote:



Setenv PATH ${PATH}:${XIA2CORE_ROOT}/Test


try replacing this with


setenv PATH ${PATH}:${XIA2CORE_ROOT}/Test



setenv needs to be all lower case, and the double quotes permit spaces  
in the path (assuming that is the problem)


Re: [ccp4bb] Problem sourcing resolved

2009-03-27 Thread Phan, Jason
Thank you, Ian, Ben and Bill. 
My apology for the S in setenv, a typo.
I expanded the variables in $PATH and found the culprit: set PATH =
(/usr/lib /usr/lib64 /usr/local/lib /usr/local/lib64) in my /etc/cshrc
file. I have the line source /etc/cshrc at the top of my ~/.cshrc
file. After commenting it out, voila!!! 

Thank you, Gentlemen. It'll be a good weekend. One less thing to think
about.

Jason


-Original Message-
From: Ian Tickle [mailto:i.tic...@astex-therapeutics.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:38 PM
To: Phan, Jason
Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk
Subject: !RE: [ccp4bb] Problem sourcing


Hi Jason

Nothing obviously wrong there (I assume that the capital 'S' in 'Setenv'
is just your mail client being silly?).  Is that the last line printed?
(sorry I got it wrong before, I just checked  the source will stop
*after* the offending line, not before as I said, so it's the last line
you want).  If you paste the bad line at the shell prompt do you get the
same error?  Try 'set echo'  source again (you can turn both verbosity
and echoing on for max info!).  This will expand the variables ($PATH
etc).

Are you actually using C shell (csh) or TC shell (tcsh)?  csh has some
rubbish features  I wouldn't recommend it!  If you have actually
installed csh I would install tcsh instead!  I think the CCP4 shell
script actually assumes you have tcsh not csh.

Hope this helps!

Cheers

-- Ian

 -Original Message-
 From: owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk [mailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk]
On
 Behalf Of Phan, Jason
 Sent: 27 March 2009 18:52
 To: Ian Tickle
 Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk
 Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] Problem sourcing
 
 Dear Ian,
 
 I got bumped out at this line:
 
 Setenv PATH ${PATH}:${XIA2CORE_ROOT}/Test
 
 Could you shed some light on this? I'm using C shell. It can't be the
 syntax since I could source as root.
 
 Thanks,
 Jason
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ian Tickle [mailto:i.tic...@astex-therapeutics.com]
 Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 12:39 PM
 To: Phan, Jason
 Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk
 Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] Problems sourcing
 
 
 Hi Jason
 
 Type 'set verbose' (without the apostrophes) and trying sourcing
again,
 it should stop just before the offending line.
 
 Cheers
 
 -- Ian
 
  -Original Message-
  From: owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk
[mailto:owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk]
 On
  Behalf Of Phan, Jason
  Sent: 27 March 2009 16:24
  To: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk
  Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] Problems sourcing
 
  Dear List,
 
  I am trying to install the latest CCP4 6.1.1 binaries on Linux and
  running into sourcing problem. I could source the ccp4.setup file as
  root (c-shell) and ccp4 ran just fine. But as a user, with the same
  shell, I could not source the setup file. The error is setenv: Too
 many
  arguments. There are so many environment variables in that file
it's
  impossible to find the culprit. Could someone help me out?
 
  Thanks,
  Jason
 
 
  This transmission may be confidential or protected from disclosure
and
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  only for review and use by the intended recipient. Access by anyone
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  is unauthorized. Any unauthorized reader is hereby notified that any
  review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this
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  any act or omission taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may
be
  unlawful. If you received this transmission in error, please notify
 the
  sender immediately. Thank you.
 
 
 
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Re: [ccp4bb] Problem sourcing resolved

2009-03-27 Thread William G. Scott

Dear Jason:

Glad to hear it is working now.  If you really want to have a fun  
weekend, try the z-shell: zsh.


zsh combines the user-friendliness of tcsh with the power of bash and  
ksh.


It can do all sorts of cool stuff, like user and host completions,  
remote file name completion (with scp), and much more.


You can learn more about it here:
http://zsh.sourceforge.net/FAQ/

We have some crystallography-friendly initialization scripts here that  
work on linux and OS X:


http://code.google.com/p/zsh-templates-osx/

Have fun.

Bill





On Mar 27, 2009, at 5:55 PM, Phan, Jason wrote:


Thank you, Ian, Ben and Bill.
My apology for the S in setenv, a typo.
I expanded the variables in $PATH and found the culprit: set PATH =
(/usr/lib /usr/lib64 /usr/local/lib /usr/local/lib64) in my /etc/cshrc
file. I have the line source /etc/cshrc at the top of my ~/.cshrc
file. After commenting it out, voila!!!

Thank you, Gentlemen. It'll be a good weekend. One less thing to think
about.


fewer?




Jason