Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Noel Chiappa via cctalk]

> From: Liam Proven

> I confess to much trepidation at the hate for keyboard collectors, as I
> am one.
> ...
> We're not _all_ evil, you know.

Unfortunately, the percentage who _are_ willing to chop up original machines,
leaving them non-functional (as in this case), is sufficiently high that the
field's reputation is mud among many in the wider collector community.

Whether this eventually exerts any influence on the field is an open question.
My guess, sadly, is 'no': the world doesn't work that way any more.

Noel

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Curious Marc via cctalk]

I like it, that's quite artfully done actually! Best paint job ever on an 024 
(am I right? 024, not 026 because it has no printer?). It would be perfect if 
you had a normal 024 or 026 to put right beside it with its drab gray wrinkle 
paint. What a pity it lost its keyboard. That ruined both the punch and the art 
in one fell swoop.

Marc

 

From: cctalk  on behalf of 
"cctalk@classiccmp.org" 
Reply-To: , "cctalk@classiccmp.org" 

Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 6:03 AM
To: "cctalk@classiccmp.org" 
Subject: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

 

 

Re-purposed art or vandalism?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943

 

Ed

--

Ik email, dus ik besta.

 

 

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Mike Stein via cctalk]

- Original Message - 
From: "ben via cctalk" <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
To: <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)


> On 7/18/2017 2:11 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote:
>>> at least they did not glue a bunch of  gears on it and call it steam
>>> punk...
>>> I have  run across  weird glued and punked items on  ebay...   what a 
>>> bunch
>>> of  AH's
>> 
>> a model 026 punch is already a masterpiece of steam punk.
>> 
>> A model 029, on the other hand, appeals to trekkies.
>> 
>> 
>> I think that a keypunch rationalized as art needs a clock on it:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Melting-Clock-DT-/262670473087?hash=item3d2861577f:g:kE4AAOSwONBZFFUo
>>  
> 
> Yes, but the clock runs counter - clockwise.
> 
>> -- 
>> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
> 
> Did any one ever use keypunch to tape or 8' floppy?
> Ben.
---
Those 8' floppies were a PITA to handle and store, but
they sure held a lot of data...

;-P

RE: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of ben via cctalk 
[cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:45 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

On 7/18/2017 2:11 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote:
>> at least they did not glue a bunch of  gears on it and call it steam
>> punk...
>> I have  run across  weird glued and punked items on  ebay...   what a
>> bunch
>> of  AH's
>
> a model 026 punch is already a masterpiece of steam punk.
>
> A model 029, on the other hand, appeals to trekkies.
>
>
> I think that a keypunch rationalized as art needs a clock on it:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Melting-Clock-DT-/262670473087?hash=item3d2861577f:g:kE4AAOSwONBZFFUo

Yes, but the clock runs counter - clockwise.

> --
> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

Did any one ever use keypunch to tape or 8' floppy?
Ben.


If you mean a commercial product in hardware, I doubt it. And, it wouldn't be 
"keypunch", now, would it?

I did, however, develop a system when I was at West Point (many, many years
ago) that did the equivalent.  I developed a system under UCSD-Pascal running on
Terak 8510 Micro Computers that allowed the offline input off data by the input
(same as keypunch) operators from the USMA Admissions Office. It all went to
8" disks and at the end of the day the shift supervisor used another program I
wrote to transfer it all to the Univac-1100 for overnight batch processing.  I 
even
got my picture in the Post Newspaper along with a story about "distributed data
processing" coming to USMA.

bill

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk]

On 18.07.2017 16:27, Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk wrote:

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk <



 From a seller's point of view, they've got a keypunch that's worth less

painted than if it were original, unless you're an art fanatic with lots of
space to display such a thing. Me, I'd rather have a clean example to
demo/use. The time and cost to strip it to make it presentable just isn't
worth it, so at this point I'd wager the larger audience either wants it
for parts (in which case $599 is probably also too much) or to the keyboard
enthusiasts who probably gave a couple hundred for that KB. -C


If I got a painted machine like that - I'd never try to "restore" it to 
some grey/blue something. I'd consider the psychedelic dessin as 
original because it was still in use while looking that way. I am sure 
that there is an (unknown) story behind that. For me it would be very 
interesting to get to know this story...


What are keyboard collectors?!? That sounds really bad. Don't like the 
idea. And much steampunk is dangerous for collectibles and plain shit. 
Steampunk might only be justified if you really build really working 
weird machines and devices - not just mocking up something.
So if you come up with a blinking brass steam boat which features a 
mechanical computer as auto-pilot, I guess that will be fine.


:-)

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Ed via cctalk]

Pete - 
Sad about the  McGraw-Hill Electronics
Which issues are  you missing!?
Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/18/2017 9:43:25 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

The  paint job doesn't bother me much. I had a working 26 that I donated to
CHM.  Its things like selling the keyboard then expecting to get more the
$20 for  the remains. My Teletype version of that is a Western Union 2-B in
good  shape missing all it key caps and motor. Both pulled to sell to the
'steam  punk' crowed.
BTW not putting them down at all. I've not met one who would  do something
like that, its the people who think they can make a sale that  do the 
damage.
Other examples of things I am collecting, McGraw-Hill  Electronics. Finding
a 2 foot stack of issues I don't have that have been  gutted for their
advertisements.
Atwater Kent that worked trashed for  the cabinet, and a crappy job at that.
Could go on for hours of  examples.


On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk  <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Ed  via cctalk wrote:
>
>> at least they did not glue a bunch  of  gears on it and call it steam
>> punk...
>> I  have  run across  weird glued and punked items on   ebay...   what a
>> bunch
>> of   AH's
>>
>
> a model 026 punch is already a masterpiece of  steam punk.
>
> A model 029, on the other hand, appeals to  trekkies.
>
>
> I think that a keypunch rationalized as art  needs a clock on it:
>  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Melting-Clock-DT-/262670473087?hash=
>  item3d2861577f:g:kE4AAOSwONBZFFUo
>
>
> --
> Grumpy  Ol' Fred  ci...@xenosoft.com
>
>

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

The paint job doesn't bother me much. I had a working 26 that I donated to
CHM. Its things like selling the keyboard then expecting to get more the
$20 for the remains. My Teletype version of that is a Western Union 2-B in
good shape missing all it key caps and motor. Both pulled to sell to the
'steam punk' crowed.
BTW not putting them down at all. I've not met one who would do something
like that, its the people who think they can make a sale that do the damage.
Other examples of things I am collecting, McGraw-Hill Electronics. Finding
a 2 foot stack of issues I don't have that have been gutted for their
advertisements.
Atwater Kent that worked trashed for the cabinet, and a crappy job at that.
Could go on for hours of examples.


On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote:
>
>> at least they did not glue a bunch of  gears on it and call it steam
>> punk...
>> I have  run across  weird glued and punked items on  ebay...   what a
>> bunch
>> of  AH's
>>
>
> a model 026 punch is already a masterpiece of steam punk.
>
> A model 029, on the other hand, appeals to trekkies.
>
>
> I think that a keypunch rationalized as art needs a clock on it:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Melting-Clock-DT-/262670473087?hash=
> item3d2861577f:g:kE4AAOSwONBZFFUo
>
>
> --
> Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
>
>

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

I collect older teleprinters (Teletype, Morkrum-Kleinschmidt, etc) and
twice now I've seen where they have had their keyboards removed and the
machine put out for scrap. One a quite rare Navy version of the model 28
known as a compact case variation where someone had used what looked like a
reciprocating saw to cut the keyboard off.





On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Ed via cctalk 
wrote:

> or lost  in space collectors that  rip the   b205  front panel  from the
> machine and leave the rest  to  be destroyed in fire or  flood...
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/18/2017 11:27:44 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
>
> Keyboard  collectors are a great evil in this world. I liken them to  ivory
> poachers.
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Fred Cisin via  cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > Re-purposed art or  vandalism?
> >>>  http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943
> >>>
> >>
> > On  Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >> It  (literally) looks like something out of Pee-Wee's  Playhouse.
> >>
> >
> > Earlier than that.
> > The seller  may have grown up with Peewee Herman,
> > but that kind of painting  decoration, with such color schemes and
> > disjointed themes, wasn't all  that uncommon in the late sixties.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Ian Finder
> (206) 395-MIPS
> ian.fin...@gmail.com
>
>
>

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Jon Elson via cctalk]

On 07/18/2017 09:45 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:


Did any one ever use keypunch to tape or 8' floppy?
I got a Pertec key to tape machine surplus in about 1982 or 
so.  it had a keyboard and a field of submini lights that 
lit up the letters, numbers, etc on a panel.  You could 
write 80 character records onto tape, verify the data by 
retyping it, or read the tape record by record.  I pulled 
the key-to logic out, and there was a pretty simple 
interface level to the basic tape data logic.  I made a 
mostly software driven interface to my Z-80 CP/M system so i 
could have mag tape backup.
It had a 7" 9-track 800 BPI NRZI tape drive with single-gap 
head, so you had to back up and reread each block.
I did actually run the thing as intended for a few minutes 
to make sure the drive was working before digging into it.


I don't know if anybody else got one of these key to tape 
machines running, but it wasn't that hard.  The surplus 
outfit seemed to have a bunch of them.


I also got a monster from a guy.  It was two pieces, one was 
a massive Honeywell drum printer, which was what I wanted.  
The other piece was a key to tape machine, although it was 
more flexible than that.  Apparently, State Farm Insurance 
used it as an off-line printer.  You set some switches, 
mounted a tape, hit a button and it would print the contents 
of the tape.  (I know it was State Farm because the printer 
had a core memory buffer, and I managed to tease it to print 
out the last record it had processed.  The printer had a 
format editor in it, so any character could be programmed to 
come out anywhere on the page.  So, it printed out a 
complete dunning letter to some poor guy.  Over the years, I 
seem to have lost that piece of paper.)  But, this set could 
be used as a key to tape system.


Jon

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[ben via cctalk]

On 7/18/2017 2:11 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote:

at least they did not glue a bunch of  gears on it and call it steam
punk...
I have  run across  weird glued and punked items on  ebay...   what a 
bunch

of  AH's


a model 026 punch is already a masterpiece of steam punk.

A model 029, on the other hand, appeals to trekkies.


I think that a keypunch rationalized as art needs a clock on it:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Melting-Clock-DT-/262670473087?hash=item3d2861577f:g:kE4AAOSwONBZFFUo 


Yes, but the clock runs counter - clockwise.


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com


Did any one ever use keypunch to tape or 8' floppy?
Ben.

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Steve Malikoff via cctalk]

Ed said
> Re-purposed art or vandalism?
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943
>
> Ed
> --
> Ik email, dus ik besta.

I would guess that the paint used was acrylic rather than oil enamel.
Being water-based it ought to be easier to remove if the casings were
taken off and pressure washed, than having to use solvents.
Shame about the keyboard being flogged though.

Steve

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote:

at least they did not glue a bunch of  gears on it and call it steam
punk...
I have  run across  weird glued and punked items on  ebay...   what a bunch
of  AH's


a model 026 punch is already a masterpiece of steam punk.

A model 029, on the other hand, appeals to trekkies.


I think that a keypunch rationalized as art needs a clock on it:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Melting-Clock-DT-/262670473087?hash=item3d2861577f:g:kE4AAOSwONBZFFUo


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Ed via cctalk]

at least they did not glue a bunch of  gears on it and call it steam  
punk...
I have  run across  weird glued and punked items on  ebay...   what a bunch 
of  AH's
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/18/2017 7:20:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

On Tue,  Jul 18, 2017 at 8:03 AM, E. Groenenberg via cctalk  <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
> Re-purposed art  or vandalism?
>
>  http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943
>
> Ed
> --
> Ik  email, dus ik besta.
>
>
It (literally) looks like something  out of Pee-Wee's Playhouse.

-- 
Eric  Christopherson

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Ed via cctalk]

tell ya  about it  sometime offlist  Mike
 
 
In a message dated 7/18/2017 12:41:31 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:


It wasn't the LIS collectors that did that, it  was 20th Century Fox 
back in the '60s.  I'm not aware of a single LIS  collector that ever had 
access to a B205.

Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old  Technology http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/


On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Ed via cctalk  wrote:

> or lost  in space collectors that  rip  the   b205  front panel  from the
> machine and  leave the rest  to  be destroyed in fire or   flood...
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/18/2017 11:27:44  A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> cctalk@classiccmp.org  writes:
>
> Keyboard  collectors are a great evil in this  world. I liken them to  
ivory
> poachers.
>
> On Tue,  Jul 18, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Fred Cisin via  cctalk <
>  cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> Re-purposed art or   vandalism?
   http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943

>>>
>>  On  Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk  wrote:
>>
>>> It  (literally) looks like something  out of Pee-Wee's  Playhouse.
>>>
>>
>>  Earlier than that.
>> The seller  may have grown up with Peewee  Herman,
>> but that kind of painting  decoration, with such  color schemes and
>> disjointed themes, wasn't all  that  uncommon in the late  sixties.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>  --
> Ian Finder
> (206) 395-MIPS
>  ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Ed via cctalk]

Hey Pete! there was also a rage of ripping off the early key tops   with 
the metal rim and celoid over the letters  to make women's   jewelry...  the 
scoundrels  ripped up tty  units and typewriters  also.
 
These are the teletype units  I really  like to collect ... those  with the 
old  keys..
 
Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/18/2017 12:35:08 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
p...@petelancashire.com writes:

I collect older teleprinters (Teletype, Morkrum-Kleinschmidt,  etc) and 
twice now I've seen where they have had their keyboards removed and  the 
machine put out for scrap. One a quite rare Navy version of the model 28  known 
as 
a compact case variation where someone had used what looked like a  
reciprocating saw to cut the keyboard off.  










On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Ed via cctalk  
wrote:

or  lost  in space collectors that  rip the   b205   front panel  from the
machine and leave the rest  to  be  destroyed in fire or  flood...



In a message dated  7/18/2017 11:27:44 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org  writes:

Keyboard  collectors are a great evil in this world. I  liken them to  ivory
poachers.


On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Fred Cisin via  cctalk  <
cctalk@classiccmp.org>  wrote:

> Re-purposed art or  vandalism?
>>>   _http://www.ebay.com/itm/http://www.e_ 
(http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943) 
>>>
>>
>  On  Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk  wrote:
>
>> It  (literally) looks like something out of  Pee-Wee's  Playhouse.
>>
>
> Earlier than  that.
> The seller  may have grown up with Peewee Herman,
>  but that kind of painting  decoration, with such color schemes  and
> disjointed themes, wasn't all  that uncommon in the late  sixties.
>
>
>


--
Ian Finder
(206)  395-MIPS
ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Mike Loewen via cctalk]

   It wasn't the LIS collectors that did that, it was 20th Century Fox 
back in the '60s.  I'm not aware of a single LIS collector that ever had 
access to a B205.


Mike Loewen mloe...@cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology  http://q7.neurotica.com/Oldtech/


On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote:


or lost  in space collectors that  rip the   b205  front panel  from the
machine and leave the rest  to  be destroyed in fire or  flood...



In a message dated 7/18/2017 11:27:44 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Keyboard  collectors are a great evil in this world. I liken them to  ivory
poachers.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Fred Cisin via  cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:


Re-purposed art or  vandalism?

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943




On  Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote:


It  (literally) looks like something out of Pee-Wee's  Playhouse.



Earlier than that.
The seller  may have grown up with Peewee Herman,
but that kind of painting  decoration, with such color schemes and
disjointed themes, wasn't all  that uncommon in the late sixties.






--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Ed via cctalk]

or lost  in space collectors that  rip the   b205  front panel  from the 
machine and leave the rest  to  be destroyed in fire or  flood...
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/18/2017 11:27:44 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

Keyboard  collectors are a great evil in this world. I liken them to  ivory
poachers.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Fred Cisin via  cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Re-purposed art or  vandalism?
>>>  http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943
>>>
>>
> On  Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote:
>
>> It  (literally) looks like something out of Pee-Wee's  Playhouse.
>>
>
> Earlier than that.
> The seller  may have grown up with Peewee Herman,
> but that kind of painting  decoration, with such color schemes and
> disjointed themes, wasn't all  that uncommon in the late sixties.
>
>
>


--  
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[r.stricklin via cctalk]

On Jul 18, 2017, at 6:03 AM, E. Groenenberg via cctech wrote:

> Re-purposed art or vandalism?
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943


I guess that depends on whether there's a record of it in the Customer 
Engineering Incident Reporting Log Book.

ok
bear.

-- 
until further notice

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On 18 July 2017 at 20:27, Ian Finder via cctalk  wrote:
> Keyboard collectors are a great evil in this world. I liken them to ivory
> poachers.

I appreciate that bottom-posting just got a bit harder on Gmail, but
it still works.

I confess to much trepidation at the hate for keyboard collectors, as
I am one. I'm typing on a late-1980s Apple Extended on my 2011 Mac
mini right now, connected via an ABD->USB convertor. Works beautifully
and makes the Mini feel like a proper Mac to me.

My desktop PC, meanwhile, has an IBM Model M, as do my work machines.
I have half a dozen of these beauties and I adore them.

I also have a small cache of DEC 420 keyboards for when I get around
to resurrecting my DEC VAXstations.

But all of the machines these came off went to new homes with a
working (but inferior) keyboard attached.

We're not _all_ evil, you know.

-- 
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Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Ian Finder via cctalk]

Keyboard collectors are a great evil in this world. I liken them to ivory
poachers.

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Re-purposed art or vandalism?
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943
>>>
>>
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote:
>
>> It (literally) looks like something out of Pee-Wee's Playhouse.
>>
>
> Earlier than that.
> The seller may have grown up with Peewee Herman,
> but that kind of painting decoration, with such color schemes and
> disjointed themes, wasn't all that uncommon in the late sixties.
>
>
>


-- 
   Ian Finder
   (206) 395-MIPS
   ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

Re-purposed art or vandalism?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943


On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Eric Christopherson via cctalk wrote:

It (literally) looks like something out of Pee-Wee's Playhouse.


Earlier than that.
The seller may have grown up with Peewee Herman,
but that kind of painting decoration, with such color schemes and 
disjointed themes, wasn't all that uncommon in the late sixties.

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

the keyboard is gone

On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:

When they die, I hope whoever got it ends up in that special
Hell where keyboard collectors go.
It has every keyboard they ever wanted, but they have no arms.


They can keep their arms.
Just no FINGERS.

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Jon Elson via cctalk]

On 07/18/2017 08:03 AM, E. Groenenberg via cctalk wrote:

Re-purposed art or vandalism?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943

Ed
--
Ik email, dus ik besta.


looks like it might still work!  No, I don't think that's 
vandalism.  Heck, I saw some decorated machines in real use 
that were not too different than that.


Jon

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Paul Berger via cctalk]

On 2017-07-18 12:40 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:


On 7/18/17 8:34 AM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:

the keyboard is gone

When they die, I hope whoever got it ends up in that special
Hell where keyboard collectors go.

It has every keyboard they ever wanted, but they have no arms.

Yes agreed, I see lots of terminals and older computers being listed 
without their keyboard, and my first thought is "What the F^%$ is the 
point"   and the people that strip the chips off boards and saw off the 
edge connector should also have their own special place as well.


Paul.

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

Hey, it could be worse.  A related auction shows a model 26 (not repainted) 
being offered for $25,000.  Bizarre.

paul

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Paul Berger via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh the horror!
> 
> Note in the auction says that the keyboard is gone, but still wants $599 .99 
> and you need to pick it up yourself,  u maybe not
> 
> Paul.
> 
> 
> On 2017-07-18 11:27 AM, Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk <
>> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 18.07.2017 16:10, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>>> 
 I would think it would be worth more in its original condition.
 
>>> I'm not sure. Because it looks cool. And I'm not sure if an old IBM punch
>>> is worth that much. And there's quite a possibility that people (users)
>>> remember the funny painted punch...
>>> 
>>> I just sent the seller a message calling him a moron if it was him who
>>> removed the keyboard!
>>> 
>>> This world is full of stupid idiots :-(
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From a seller's point of view, they've got a keypunch that's worth less
>> painted than if it were original, unless you're an art fanatic with lots of
>> space to display such a thing. Me, I'd rather have a clean example to
>> demo/use. The time and cost to strip it to make it presentable just isn't
>> worth it, so at this point I'd wager the larger audience either wants it
>> for parts (in which case $599 is probably also too much) or to the keyboard
>> enthusiasts who probably gave a couple hundred for that KB. -C
> 

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 7/18/17 8:34 AM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:
> the keyboard is gone
When they die, I hope whoever got it ends up in that special
Hell where keyboard collectors go.

It has every keyboard they ever wanted, but they have no arms.

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Paul Berger via cctalk]

Oh the horror!

Note in the auction says that the keyboard is gone, but still wants $599 
.99 and you need to pick it up yourself,  u maybe not


Paul.


On 2017-07-18 11:27 AM, Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk wrote:

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:


On 18.07.2017 16:10, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:


I would think it would be worth more in its original condition.


I'm not sure. Because it looks cool. And I'm not sure if an old IBM punch
is worth that much. And there's quite a possibility that people (users)
remember the funny painted punch...

I just sent the seller a message calling him a moron if it was him who
removed the keyboard!

This world is full of stupid idiots :-(


 From a seller's point of view, they've got a keypunch that's worth less

painted than if it were original, unless you're an art fanatic with lots of
space to display such a thing. Me, I'd rather have a clean example to
demo/use. The time and cost to strip it to make it presentable just isn't
worth it, so at this point I'd wager the larger audience either wants it
for parts (in which case $599 is probably also too much) or to the keyboard
enthusiasts who probably gave a couple hundred for that KB. -C

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Ethan Dicks via cctalk]

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk
 wrote:
>>> I would think it would be worth more in its original condition.
> ... at this point I'd wager the larger audience either wants it
> for parts (in which case $599 is probably also too much)

That was kind of my thought - would a clean 026 keypunch command a
price of $599?  I wouldn't think so, but I've been wrong before.

-ethan

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk]

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
> On 18.07.2017 16:10, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>
>>
>> I would think it would be worth more in its original condition.
>>
>
> I'm not sure. Because it looks cool. And I'm not sure if an old IBM punch
> is worth that much. And there's quite a possibility that people (users)
> remember the funny painted punch...
>
> I just sent the seller a message calling him a moron if it was him who
> removed the keyboard!
>
> This world is full of stupid idiots :-(
>
>
> From a seller's point of view, they've got a keypunch that's worth less
painted than if it were original, unless you're an art fanatic with lots of
space to display such a thing. Me, I'd rather have a clean example to
demo/use. The time and cost to strip it to make it presentable just isn't
worth it, so at this point I'd wager the larger audience either wants it
for parts (in which case $599 is probably also too much) or to the keyboard
enthusiasts who probably gave a couple hundred for that KB. -C

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Eric Christopherson via cctalk]

On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:03 AM, E. Groenenberg via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
> Re-purposed art or vandalism?
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943
>
> Ed
> --
> Ik email, dus ik besta.
>
>
It (literally) looks like something out of Pee-Wee's Playhouse.

-- 
Eric Christopherson

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk]

On 18.07.2017 16:10, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:


I would think it would be worth more in its original condition.


I'm not sure. Because it looks cool. And I'm not sure if an old IBM 
punch is worth that much. And there's quite a possibility that people 
(users) remember the funny painted punch...


I just sent the seller a message calling him a moron if it was him who 
removed the keyboard!


This world is full of stupid idiots :-(

RE: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

I would think it would be worth more in its original condition.

bill



From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of E. Groenenberg via 
cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 9:03 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

Re-purposed art or vandalism?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/253015301943

Ed
--
Ik email, dus ik besta.

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Philipp Hachtmann via cctalk]

On 18.07.2017 15:42, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:

 > From: Ed Groenenberg

 > Re-purposed art or vandalism?

Given that the keyboard was at one point there (in the images), but has now
apparently been sold separate, clearly the latter...


Stupid idiot who sold the keyboard separately!
On the pictures it looks quite undestroyed.

My interpretation of the punch: The funny paint was already applied when 
it was still in use. Then it was put out of use. Paperwork and card 
stock supply saved together with it.

There seems to be no sign of "stupid" painting over moving parts...

Philipp :-)

Re: Repurposed Art (ahem...)

[Noel Chiappa via cctalk]

> From: Ed Groenenberg

> Re-purposed art or vandalism?

Given that the keyboard was at one point there (in the images), but has now
apparently been sold separate, clearly the latter...

Noel