Re: [CentOS-docs] [artwork] Image for external links
Dag Wieers wrote: Also I have noticed the image (colorful globe) and the link behind it to be broken in 2 lines. So it would be better to have a somthing like a nobr between the image and the link. I see this in the Download table for the Release Email/Release Notes column: http://wiki.centos.org/Download Why did you use an http link in there instead of using a relative link into the wiki? Okay, then you would have one nothing, one globe, but ... Let me change it and see how it looks like. Cheers, Ralph pgpxsJSO8wfhl.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] [artwork] Image for external links
Ralph Angenendt wrote: Why did you use an http link in there instead of using a relative link into the wiki? Okay, then you would have one nothing, one globe, but ... Let me change it and see how it looks like. Okay, that only works for release notes from 4 and 5 :) Cheers, Ralph pgpa5hCcAVTeW.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] [artwork] Image for external links
Ralph Angenendt wrote: Ralph Angenendt wrote: Why did you use an http link in there instead of using a relative link into the wiki? Okay, then you would have one nothing, one globe, but ... Let me change it and see how it looks like. Okay, that only works for release notes from 4 and 5 :) And even if you put nbsp; into the header lines of that table it breaks at strange points. Bloody wiki software ... Cheers, Ralph pgpz8DeZM0jNs.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] [artwork] Image for external links
Ralph Angenendt wrote:
And even if you put nbsp; into the header lines of that table it breaks
at strange points. Bloody wiki software ...
What do they say about people speaking to themselves? Well, at list you
all listen now: Fixed.
Alain - can you incorporate the diff into modern-CentOS?
Cheers,
Ralph
PS: That fixes the wrapping problem, not the icon per se.
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Re: [CentOS-docs] [artwork] Image for external links
On 11/3/08, Ralph Angenendt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ralph Angenendt wrote: And even if you put nbsp; into the header lines of that table it breaks at strange points. Bloody wiki software ... What do they say about people speaking to themselves? Well, at list you all listen now: Fixed. Alain - can you incorporate the diff into modern-CentOS? Sure ... I'll take a look on it to night. PS: That fixes the wrapping problem, not the icon per se. We keep the moin globe icon before links or use the trac's one ? Cheers, al ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] [artwork] Image for external links
Alain Reguera Delgado wrote: PS: That fixes the wrapping problem, not the icon per se. We keep the moin globe icon before links or use the trac's one ? No, we can use the trac one - this was just a hot fix I did. Cheers, Ralph pgpdX5PsxYyFg.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] [artwork] Image for external links
On Sun, 2 Nov 2008, Dag Wieers wrote: Can we use the same image for external links on the wiki as we are using for Trac ? It is much less obtrusive in pieces of text. A gray box with arrow instead of a colorful globe. Also I have noticed the image (colorful globe) and the link behind it to be broken in 2 lines. So it would be better to have a somthing like a nobr between the image and the link. I see this in the Download table for the Release Email/Release Notes column: http://wiki.centos.org/Download -- -- dag wieers, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
[CentOS-docs] new frontpage and reference to the japanese mailing list
A reference to the japanese mailing list was added sometime ago to this page: http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp Now, the new frontpage takes you (after a couple of clicks) to: http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo which does not contain the info about the .jp site. Could this be added there as well? Akemi ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] new frontpage and reference to the japanese mailing list
Akemi Yagi wrote: A reference to the japanese mailing list was added sometime ago to this page: http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp Now, the new frontpage takes you (after a couple of clicks) to: http://wiki.centos.org/GettingHelp/ListInfo which does not contain the info about the .jp site. Could this be added there as well? Hmmm. I was sure that I did put that in there. Done, sorry. Ralph pgpAaYXFjWkbm.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] [artwork] Image for external links
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008, Ralph Angenendt wrote: Dag Wieers wrote: Also I have noticed the image (colorful globe) and the link behind it to be broken in 2 lines. So it would be better to have a somthing like a nobr between the image and the link. I see this in the Download table for the Release Email/Release Notes column: http://wiki.centos.org/Download Why did you use an http link in there instead of using a relative link into the wiki? Okay, then you would have one nothing, one globe, but ... Good catch. I guess I just entered all the URLs I found with Google and did not make the distinction between the external and internal. But it was more about the principle of the problem than the example, really. I have seen the same problem on other pages and the colorful globe is very distracting when reading. Something more subtle like the icon from Trac is more appropriate IMO. -- -- dag wieers, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] [artwork] Image for external links
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008, Dag Wieers wrote: On Mon, 3 Nov 2008, Ralph Angenendt wrote: Dag Wieers wrote: Also I have noticed the image (colorful globe) and the link behind it to be broken in 2 lines. So it would be better to have a somthing like a nobr between the image and the link. I see this in the Download table for the Release Email/Release Notes column: http://wiki.centos.org/Download Why did you use an http link in there instead of using a relative link into the wiki? Okay, then you would have one nothing, one globe, but ... Good catch. I guess I just entered all the URLs I found with Google and did not make the distinction between the external and internal. But it was more about the principle of the problem than the example, really. I have seen the same problem on other pages and the colorful globe is very distracting when reading. Something more subtle like the icon from Trac is more appropriate IMO. Ok, forget it. I need to learn to read first _all_ mails and then go back to then ones that I wanted to answer. Sigh :) -- -- dag wieers, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Test-driving RHEL Betas
Marcus Moeller wrote: Good Evening (Dag and Karan), I have noticed the slight changes on the Download Page which is now linking to the RHEL Betas and want to take the discussion to the ML instead of the Wiki. I would personally prefer to link to the RHEL Betas from a (not yet created) Test-driving RHEL SIG page instead of the CentOS download page. This should be meant to promote project related downloads (resources provided by CentOS) only. I dont understand the fascination with the RHEL beta's at all. They clearly dont want it in the open space, so why are we pushing for that ? Has anyone spoken to the people at Redhat ? What have they said ? When are we going to see the public images ? Rather than going ahead and placing stuff like that on the website, there should at the very least be a discussion about this. Ironic that Dag would comment on this issue asking for a discussion when he asked the question earlier and never bothered replying to comments that people made to his question. I can see that Dag has reinstated the portion that I removed earlier today. Dag perhaps you missed my comment to your question ? or you rather wish to ignore it at the time w.r.t what we could / should do with the RHEL betas ? Regards, - KB ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Test-driving RHEL Betas
hi, Marcus Moeller wrote: I don't think that pushing RH's beta is such a bad idea as it will help improving CentOS. But afaik there won't be any 'open' RHEL betas in the near future. If its not open, its not welcome in CentOS lands ( /opinion ) If people want it promoted via CentOS channels, effort should go into making it open. Were not around to put pressure on Redhat or anyone else to do things they dont want to do - we are here to facilitate a community and to do our best at that. Also, not getting sued is high on the agenda. The more important aspect I guess is to promote using the RH bug tracker and to train users to decide on their own wherever a bug is related to upstream or to CentOS. yes, I agree. - KB ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Test-driving RHEL Betas
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008, Marcus Moeller wrote: Good Evening. I dont understand the fascination with the RHEL beta's at all. They clearly dont want it in the open space, so why are we pushing for that ? I don't think that pushing RH's beta is such a bad idea as it will help improving CentOS. But afaik there won't be any 'open' RHEL betas in the near future. The more important aspect I guess is to promote using the RH bug tracker and to train users to decide on their own wherever a bug is related to upstream or to CentOS. That's what this page was for, really: http://wiki.centos.org/Contribute Feel free to remove that one without a notice too. See if I still care. -- -- dag wieers, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Test-driving RHEL Betas
Dag Wieers wrote: That's what this page was for, really: http://wiki.centos.org/Contribute Would this sort of a testing effort be better handled under the ageis of the QA Effort rather than the Contribute page ? Most people who use CentOS and want to contribute dont have RHN access or wish to consider RHN access ( opinion based purely on conversations with people at Expo's, shows and emails ). - KB ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Test-driving RHEL Betas
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008, Karanbir Singh wrote: Dag Wieers wrote: That's what this page was for, really: http://wiki.centos.org/Contribute Would this sort of a testing effort be better handled under the ageis of the QA Effort rather than the Contribute page ? Most people who use CentOS and want to contribute dont have RHN access or wish to consider RHN access ( opinion based purely on conversations with people at Expo's, shows and emails ). Well the Contribute page should list all different kinds of way to contribute and QA is one of them. Whether encouraging people to test out RHEL falls under the QA SIG is debatable. Reported problems go directly upstream. We may want to keep track of reported problems, and maybe tested hardware. It could be organised as the current QA is organised if we have resources to manage it. Maybe we should ask the QA SIG if they are interested to have this happen under their hood or not. In my opinion this is way to soon to organize. -- -- dag wieers, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Test-driving RHEL Betas
Dag Wieers wrote: I did no have anything to add. I do understand your point and I agree with it partly. I normally do not ack on every email that I agree with. Ok, it was just quite surprising that you went ahead and posted that content anyway. To me, it was the start of a conversation and not that you would post a question to finish it off. My mistake on that. We are not pushing the RHEL Betas by mentioning it on the wiki, are we ? Putting it on the Download page, we most certainly are pushing it. And yes I contacted Red Hat via 3 different people and I am awaiting feedback. One person pushed it internally within Red Hat. Is there anything that we could do from an @centos point of view or people who might be spoken with ? We can all push upstream to open the beta program up on a personal level, however doing it as a community might carry more weight ? perhaps ? I've just emailed the guys at SciLinux to see what their opinion on the subject is and if they would like to join in the effort requesting an open beta. btw, upstream seemed quite firm on not doing so ( my impression again ) when the same issue was quite hotly contested as a sub-issue in the fedora-devel conversation about wikipedia's move to ubuntu and implications / fallouts from that. I have no problem to discuss it, or change it, or move it to another part, or even remove if completely. But I do object to the communication-by-wiki style. And I do object to the fact that if you disagree with something it seems to be the law. That is why I put it back and answered your question where it was asked, through the wiki comments. my bad, perhaps a s/?/!/ would have gone down better in the comment log ( which by the way, we should all do a lot more of - add comments to commits ) - KB ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Opening of the wiki Part III(?) ...
Marcus Moeller wrote:
Good Evening.
...
Courtesy and to have something within the centos space to point to.
Plus: Finding the manuals on upstream *all in one place* (like
clustermanagement, virtualization and so on) isn't that easy.
I personally welcome that the docs are mirrored on CentOS.org. Maybe
we could spend some more time to de-brand them completly.
I don't think that's possible looking at the notice at the bottom of the
documentation:
/---
Note: This documentation is provided {and copyrighted} by Red Hat®, Inc.
and is released via the Open Publication License. The copyright holder
has added the further requirement that Distribution of substantively
modified versions of this document is prohibited without the explicit
permission of the copyright holder. The CentOS project redistributes
these original works (in their unmodified form) as a reference for
CentOS-5 because CentOS-5 is built from publicly available, open source
SRPMS. The documentation is unmodified to be compliant with upstream
distribution policy. Neither CentOS-5 nor the CentOS Project are in any
way affiliated with or sponsored by Red Hat®, Inc.
---/
One more thing - I'm wondering about the continued use of the prominent
North American Enterprise Linux vendor phrase that appears on the
website. Presumably this dates back to a time when Red Hat was less
receptive to CentOS but that has changed now? Is this something that
could/should be dropped now relations are friendlier?
You may want to take a look at the Trademark Guidelines, Ch.A. Use of
the Brand ...
The only way to obtain permissions to use the RH's trademark is by
entering into a written license agreement with RH Inc. ... Absolutely
no exeptions.
But maybe we could just ask for it.
I don't think it's about using RH's trademark, but simply referring to
them by name (who they are) rather than by some cryptic phrase for fear
of infringing on their trademark. I'm sure this has some history that
dates back to a time when Red Hat were less enthusiastic about community
rebuilds of their product than they are now. My point was simply that if
times have moved on then maybe it's time the language used to describe
the upstream vendor should move on too?
For example, take a look at the text used on the CentOS home page:
http://www.centos.org/
/---
*CentOS Overview*
CentOS is an Enterprise-class Linux Distribution derived from sources
freely provided to the public by a prominent North American Enterprise
Linux vendor.
---/
The homepage and About page are littered with references to a prominent
North American Enterprise Linux vendor and upstream, whilst also
containing many links to Red Hat's servers, yet fail to directly mention
Red Hat anywhere by name. I was under the impression that the
relationship was somewhat warmer than that now??
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Re: [CentOS-docs] Test-driving RHEL Betas
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008, Karanbir Singh wrote: Dag Wieers wrote: We are not pushing the RHEL Betas by mentioning it on the wiki, are we ? Putting it on the Download page, we most certainly are pushing it. You need a RHN entitlement. So that's hardly pushing. Look at it from some other angels. - It shows people we are helping to give back to upstream (and not just reaping) - It encourages people to help CentOS as well - It shows Red Hat we are willing to help with Beta-testing even when a RHN entitlement is required, showing that we care about this sends a message. And I don't see a big problem with having this on the Download page. It clearly says test-driving, beta's, I put it at the end of the page. I think this is different than test repositories where it is much easier to make a mistake on an existing production system. btw, upstream seemed quite firm on not doing so ( my impression again ) when the same issue was quite hotly contested as a sub-issue in the fedora-devel conversation about wikipedia's move to ubuntu and implications / fallouts from that. Did they discuss the availability of RHEL Betas during that conversation ? I have no problem to discuss it, or change it, or move it to another part, or even remove if completely. But I do object to the communication-by-wiki style. And I do object to the fact that if you disagree with something it seems to be the law. That is why I put it back and answered your question where it was asked, through the wiki comments. my bad, perhaps a s/?/!/ would have gone down better in the comment log ( which by the way, we should all do a lot more of - add comments to commits ) BTW My original change did contain a comment on what I just added. -- -- dag wieers, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
Re: [CentOS-docs] Opening of the wiki Part III(?) ...
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008, Marcus Moeller wrote: North American Enterprise Linux vendor phrase that appears on the website. Presumably this dates back to a time when Red Hat was less receptive to CentOS but that has changed now? Is this something that could/should be dropped now relations are friendlier? You may want to take a look at the Trademark Guidelines, Ch.A. Use of the Brand ... The only way to obtain permissions to use the RH's trademark is by entering into a written license agreement with RH Inc. ... Absolutely no exeptions. But maybe we could just ask for it. It's not because Red Hat is a trademark that you can not reference Red Hat by name. We have been in this discussion before. You don't need Red Hat's approval to reference them. There are things you have to avoid, like not pretend to be Red Hat, or speak in the name of Red Hat, or imply Red Hat is endorsing something. I guess the easiest to avoid it is mentioning that Red Hat is a trademark owned by Red Hat inc. -- -- dag wieers, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://dag.wieers.com/ -- [Any errors in spelling, tact or fact are transmission errors] ___ CentOS-docs mailing list CentOS-docs@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-docs
