The age old Question. Which framework

2012-07-24 Thread Sandra Clark

So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is converting
an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've mostly been
doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML setup, it doesn't
seem to be an option here.

 

Two of the applications (which are newer) were done in CFWheels and are
currently running on CF7. The new site will be running on CF10.

 

Current developers on the project are not familiar with OO at all (but that
is going to have to change, because the requirements for the project require
OO).  As well the requirement is for an ORM.  I definitely want a dependency
Injector and the ability to create testing modules easily.  Since I have to
get the current developers up to speed on OO I'm not too concerned about
requiring a new framework. 

 

Eventually, the application is going to have to generate a ton of XML and
rely on web services for many of its tasks to allow outside services to
consume its data. 

 

So biggest contenders are:  

 

CFWheels, ColdBox and FW/1.  

 

While I know frameworks are a religious experience to some (I survived the
original fusebox framework wars), I'd love to see opinions (both pro's and
con's) for the frameworks I've mentioned especially in relation to any of
the requirements I've noted above.  

 

What's your experience with the frameworks both from a development and
testing perspective along with actually running them in an enterprise level
environment?

 

 

Thanks for any help you can give me with this.

 

Sandra Clark

 

By the way, anyone going to RiaCon this year?



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Re: The age old Question. Which framework

2012-07-24 Thread Russ Michaels

cfwheels would probably have the lowest learning curve for your team,
whereas coldbox will be a bit of a monster but is better for large projects
and teams and has a ton of cool built in features such as stats and
debugging consoles and ready to go admin ui as well a sthe best
documentation there is.
fw/1 is really intended for small projects, but I guess there is no reason
not to use it for big ones if you don't want all the baggage that comes
with the other frameworks, however is it very lacking in documentation and
it is very much a figure it out yourself option.

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Sandra Clark sclarkli...@gmail.comwrote:


 So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is
 converting
 an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've mostly been
 doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML setup, it
 doesn't
 seem to be an option here.



 Two of the applications (which are newer) were done in CFWheels and are
 currently running on CF7. The new site will be running on CF10.



 Current developers on the project are not familiar with OO at all (but that
 is going to have to change, because the requirements for the project
 require
 OO).  As well the requirement is for an ORM.  I definitely want a
 dependency
 Injector and the ability to create testing modules easily.  Since I have to
 get the current developers up to speed on OO I'm not too concerned about
 requiring a new framework.



 Eventually, the application is going to have to generate a ton of XML and
 rely on web services for many of its tasks to allow outside services to
 consume its data.



 So biggest contenders are:



 CFWheels, ColdBox and FW/1.



 While I know frameworks are a religious experience to some (I survived the
 original fusebox framework wars), I'd love to see opinions (both pro's and
 con's) for the frameworks I've mentioned especially in relation to any of
 the requirements I've noted above.



 What's your experience with the frameworks both from a development and
 testing perspective along with actually running them in an enterprise level
 environment?





 Thanks for any help you can give me with this.



 Sandra Clark



 By the way, anyone going to RiaCon this year?



 

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Re: The age old Question. Which framework

2012-07-24 Thread Will Swain

We've recently built a large web app that handles bookings for a number of
restaurants, including consuming and publishing web services to talk to a
third party epos system. We used FW/1, Coldspring and Taffy to handle this,
and it's worked brilliantly well. It's running on cf9 rather than cf10
though, but not sure if that would make much difference.

Will

On 24 July 2012 12:53, Sandra Clark sclarkli...@gmail.com wrote:


 So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is
 converting
 an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've mostly been
 doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML setup, it
 doesn't
 seem to be an option here.



 Two of the applications (which are newer) were done in CFWheels and are
 currently running on CF7. The new site will be running on CF10.



 Current developers on the project are not familiar with OO at all (but that
 is going to have to change, because the requirements for the project
 require
 OO).  As well the requirement is for an ORM.  I definitely want a
 dependency
 Injector and the ability to create testing modules easily.  Since I have to
 get the current developers up to speed on OO I'm not too concerned about
 requiring a new framework.



 Eventually, the application is going to have to generate a ton of XML and
 rely on web services for many of its tasks to allow outside services to
 consume its data.



 So biggest contenders are:



 CFWheels, ColdBox and FW/1.



 While I know frameworks are a religious experience to some (I survived the
 original fusebox framework wars), I'd love to see opinions (both pro's and
 con's) for the frameworks I've mentioned especially in relation to any of
 the requirements I've noted above.



 What's your experience with the frameworks both from a development and
 testing perspective along with actually running them in an enterprise level
 environment?





 Thanks for any help you can give me with this.



 Sandra Clark



 By the way, anyone going to RiaCon this year?



 

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Re: The age old Question. Which framework

2012-07-24 Thread Maureen

+1 for FW/1
That is all I am using these days, and I am moving all my sites to it.

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Will Swain w...@hothorse.com wrote:

 We used FW/1, Coldspring and Taffy to handle this,

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Re: SSL Connections To Oracle

2012-07-24 Thread Robert Nurse

Thanks Russ. In looking at that document, for Oracle, it refers to two 
properties: KeyStore=path to keystore; and TrustStore=path to keystore;.  On 
Linux, would these to paths point to the cacerts file in 
%CF_Install_Path%/runtime/jre/lib/security?


 Dont know if this applies to cf8 but
 http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ColdFusion/9.
 0/Admin/WS50260aa90e50c24b-32f8955c122c2720693-7fff.html
 
 Regards
 Russ Michaels
 On Jul 23, 2012 3:20 PM, Robert Nurse rnu...@gmail.com wrote:
 


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Re: The age old Question. Which framework

2012-07-24 Thread AJ Mercer

I think FW/1 is great for a barebones framework where you don't want it
getting in your way. I think the documentation and examples are excellent.
 As I understand it, the next version will be packaged with DI/1 (
dependency
Injection) and with routing you can sort of do ReST stuff (though I don't
think it is as good as Taffy).

cfWheels has a plugin architecture that has a lot of stuff that can help
you build a site very quickly. It has it's own ORM. It has very
good documentation.

Both have very friendly and helpful community.


If you build your application with services/domain model, you can pretty
much use and MVC framework and without too much effort port to the other.
Also, if you want to take advantage of ReSt built into ACF10, you will be
able to use your service layer.

On 24 July 2012 19:53, Sandra Clark sclarkli...@gmail.com wrote:


 So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is
 converting
 an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've mostly been
 doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML setup, it
 doesn't
 seem to be an option here.



 Two of the applications (which are newer) were done in CFWheels and are
 currently running on CF7. The new site will be running on CF10.



 Current developers on the project are not familiar with OO at all (but that
 is going to have to change, because the requirements for the project
 require
 OO).  As well the requirement is for an ORM.  I definitely want a
 dependency
 Injector and the ability to create testing modules easily.  Since I have to
 get the current developers up to speed on OO I'm not too concerned about
 requiring a new framework.



 Eventually, the application is going to have to generate a ton of XML and
 rely on web services for many of its tasks to allow outside services to
 consume its data.



 So biggest contenders are:



 CFWheels, ColdBox and FW/1.



 While I know frameworks are a religious experience to some (I survived the
 original fusebox framework wars), I'd love to see opinions (both pro's and
 con's) for the frameworks I've mentioned especially in relation to any of
 the requirements I've noted above.



 What's your experience with the frameworks both from a development and
 testing perspective along with actually running them in an enterprise level
 environment?





 Thanks for any help you can give me with this.



 Sandra Clark



 By the way, anyone going to RiaCon this year?



 

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Re: The age old Question. Which framework

2012-07-24 Thread Raymond Camden

I'll ditto the FW/1 recommendation, but I'm curious about why XML
makes Model-Glue not an option? The powers that be don't like XML?


On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Sandra Clark sclarkli...@gmail.com wrote:

 So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is converting
 an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've mostly been
 doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML setup, it doesn't
 seem to be an option here.


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Re: The age old Question. Which framework

2012-07-24 Thread Russ Michaels

I guess the fw/1 docs must have improved since i last looked at it then,
good to hear.

Regards
Russ Michaels
On Jul 24, 2012 1:24 PM, AJ Mercer ajmer...@gmail.com wrote:


 I think FW/1 is great for a barebones framework where you don't want it
 getting in your way. I think the documentation and examples are excellent.
  As I understand it, the next version will be packaged with DI/1 (
 dependency
 Injection) and with routing you can sort of do ReST stuff (though I don't
 think it is as good as Taffy).

 cfWheels has a plugin architecture that has a lot of stuff that can help
 you build a site very quickly. It has it's own ORM. It has very
 good documentation.

 Both have very friendly and helpful community.


 If you build your application with services/domain model, you can pretty
 much use and MVC framework and without too much effort port to the other.
 Also, if you want to take advantage of ReSt built into ACF10, you will be
 able to use your service layer.

 On 24 July 2012 19:53, Sandra Clark sclarkli...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is
  converting
  an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've mostly been
  doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML setup, it
  doesn't
  seem to be an option here.
 
 
 
  Two of the applications (which are newer) were done in CFWheels and are
  currently running on CF7. The new site will be running on CF10.
 
 
 
  Current developers on the project are not familiar with OO at all (but
 that
  is going to have to change, because the requirements for the project
  require
  OO).  As well the requirement is for an ORM.  I definitely want a
  dependency
  Injector and the ability to create testing modules easily.  Since I have
 to
  get the current developers up to speed on OO I'm not too concerned about
  requiring a new framework.
 
 
 
  Eventually, the application is going to have to generate a ton of XML and
  rely on web services for many of its tasks to allow outside services to
  consume its data.
 
 
 
  So biggest contenders are:
 
 
 
  CFWheels, ColdBox and FW/1.
 
 
 
  While I know frameworks are a religious experience to some (I survived
 the
  original fusebox framework wars), I'd love to see opinions (both pro's
 and
  con's) for the frameworks I've mentioned especially in relation to any of
  the requirements I've noted above.
 
 
 
  What's your experience with the frameworks both from a development and
  testing perspective along with actually running them in an enterprise
 level
  environment?
 
 
 
 
 
  Thanks for any help you can give me with this.
 
 
 
  Sandra Clark
 
 
 
  By the way, anyone going to RiaCon this year?
 
 
 
 

 

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RE: The age old Question. Which framework

2012-07-24 Thread Sandra Clark

Pretty much.  To them, XML equals a fusebox like approach and they want to
get away from FB.  Which is a shame, cause I'm very comfortable with MG

-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:13 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: The age old Question. Which framework


I'll ditto the FW/1 recommendation, but I'm curious about why XML makes
Model-Glue not an option? The powers that be don't like XML?


On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Sandra Clark sclarkli...@gmail.com wrote:

 So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is 
 converting an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've 
 mostly been doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML 
 setup, it doesn't seem to be an option here.




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The requested URL not found

2012-07-24 Thread fun and learning

Hi All,

We have youtube video with a link to our website embedded on it. The URL has 
query string as below:

www.abc.com/?visitfrom=youtube

The above URL is causing an error as The requested URL /?visitfrom=youtube not 
found on this server.

Could this be happening due to / before the start of query string? Do we need 
to change any settings on the server?

Thanks. 


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The requested URL not found

2012-07-24 Thread funand learning

Hi All,

We have youtube video with a link to our website embedded on it. The URL
has query string as below:

www.abc.com/?visitfrom=youtube

The above URL is causing an error as The requested URL /?visitfrom=youtube
not found on this server.

Could this be happening due to / before the start of query string? Do we
need to change any settings on the server?

Thanks.


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Re: The age old Question. Which framework

2012-07-24 Thread Raymond Camden

Interesting. Thanks for satisfying my curiosity there. :)

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Sandra Clark sclarkli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pretty much.  To them, XML equals a fusebox like approach and they want to
 get away from FB.  Which is a shame, cause I'm very comfortable with MG

 -Original Message-
 From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:13 AM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: The age old Question. Which framework


 I'll ditto the FW/1 recommendation, but I'm curious about why XML makes
 Model-Glue not an option? The powers that be don't like XML?


 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Sandra Clark sclarkli...@gmail.com wrote:

 So I'm on a new contract and part of the contract requirements is
 converting an old fusebox (procedural) app to a newer framework.  I've
 mostly been doing Model-Glue in past few years, but because of the XML
 setup, it doesn't seem to be an option here.




 

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RE: The requested URL not found

2012-07-24 Thread Robert Harrison

Probably, as you say, the / before the ?


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Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:51 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: The requested URL not found


Hi All,

We have youtube video with a link to our website embedded on it. The URL has 
query string as below:

www.abc.com/?visitfrom=youtube

The above URL is causing an error as The requested URL /?visitfrom=youtube not 
found on this server.

Could this be happening due to / before the start of query string? Do we need 
to change any settings on the server?

Thanks.




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RE: The requested URL not found

2012-07-24 Thread Will Swain

Possibly being daft here, but do you have the http:// prefix?

will

-Original Message-
From: funand learning [mailto:funandlrnn...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 24 July 2012 14:51
To: cf-talk
Subject: The requested URL not found


Hi All,

We have youtube video with a link to our website embedded on it. The URL has
query string as below:

www.abc.com/?visitfrom=youtube

The above URL is causing an error as The requested URL /?visitfrom=youtube
not found on this server.

Could this be happening due to / before the start of query string? Do we
need to change any settings on the server?

Thanks.




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Re: The requested URL not found

2012-07-24 Thread funand learning

Yes, the URL looks like
http://abc.com/?visitfrom=youtubehttp://www.abc.com/?visitfrom=youtube



On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Will Swain w...@hothorse.com wrote:


 Possibly being daft here, but do you have the http:// prefix?

 will

 -Original Message-
 From: funand learning [mailto:funandlrnn...@gmail.com]
 Sent: 24 July 2012 14:51
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: The requested URL not found


 Hi All,

 We have youtube video with a link to our website embedded on it. The URL
 has
 query string as below:

 www.abc.com/?visitfrom=youtube

 The above URL is causing an error as The requested URL /?visitfrom=youtube
 not found on this server.

 Could this be happening due to / before the start of query string? Do we
 need to change any settings on the server?

 Thanks.




 

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Re: The requested URL not found

2012-07-24 Thread Dave Watts

 We have youtube video with a link to our website embedded on it. The URL has 
 query string as below:

 www.abc.com/?visitfrom=youtube

 The above URL is causing an error as The requested URL /?visitfrom=youtube 
 not found on this server.

 Could this be happening due to / before the start of query string? Do we 
 need to change any settings on the server?

Does the site have a default document defined? Does the directory
contain a default document? That URL is fine assuming there's a
default document for that directory.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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Re: The requested URL not found

2012-07-24 Thread Russ Michaels

Add the fikename to the url and it should work.

Regards
Russ Michaels
On Jul 24, 2012 3:11 PM, funand learning funandlrnn...@gmail.com wrote:


 Yes, the URL looks like
 http://abc.com/?visitfrom=youtubehttp://www.abc.com/?visitfrom=youtube



 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Will Swain w...@hothorse.com wrote:

 
  Possibly being daft here, but do you have the http:// prefix?
 
  will
 
  -Original Message-
  From: funand learning [mailto:funandlrnn...@gmail.com]
  Sent: 24 July 2012 14:51
  To: cf-talk
  Subject: The requested URL not found
 
 
  Hi All,
 
  We have youtube video with a link to our website embedded on it. The URL
  has
  query string as below:
 
  www.abc.com/?visitfrom=youtube
 
  The above URL is causing an error as The requested URL
 /?visitfrom=youtube
  not found on this server.
 
  Could this be happening due to / before the start of query string? Do
 we
  need to change any settings on the server?
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Making a website mobile friendly

2012-07-24 Thread Greg Morphis

For the people who have turned their full fledged website into a
mobile ready site.. where do you start?
We have a CF9 website with flash, jquery, and other javascript, some
parts are kinda ugly.. Where do you begin? A whole rewrite?
Can you make a separate site and when a mobile device hits your URL
it goes there?

What's the best way to handle making a website mobile friendly?

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Re: The requested URL not found

2012-07-24 Thread funand learning

What if the URL is getting converted to friendlyURLs? How can this be
handled?

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 Add the fikename to the url and it should work.

 Regards
 Russ Michaels
 On Jul 24, 2012 3:11 PM, funand learning funandlrnn...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  Yes, the URL looks like
  http://abc.com/?visitfrom=youtubehttp://www.abc.com/?visitfrom=youtube
 
 
 
  On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Will Swain w...@hothorse.com wrote:
 
  
   Possibly being daft here, but do you have the http:// prefix?
  
   will
  
   -Original Message-
   From: funand learning [mailto:funandlrnn...@gmail.com]
   Sent: 24 July 2012 14:51
   To: cf-talk
   Subject: The requested URL not found
  
  
   Hi All,
  
   We have youtube video with a link to our website embedded on it. The
 URL
   has
   query string as below:
  
   www.abc.com/?visitfrom=youtube
  
   The above URL is causing an error as The requested URL
  /?visitfrom=youtube
   not found on this server.
  
   Could this be happening due to / before the start of query string? Do
  we
   need to change any settings on the server?
  
   Thanks.
  
  
  
  
  
 
 

 

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RE: Making a website mobile friendly

2012-07-24 Thread Che Vilnonis

Greg, Google responsive web design. You'll see that there are many ways to
accomplish this.
For older sites, it may be best to have a completely new version of the
site.

For sites that are new or for sites that are being redesigned there are ways
to create a site using CSS3 or dynamic CSS (via LESS) that can work for
almost all browsers and mobile devices. A lot incorporate fluid designs and
various grid layouts.

These links may be of help:

http://stuffandnonsense.co.uk/projects/320andup/

http://960.gs/

http://www.sitepoint.com/responsive-web-design/#fbid=9Wl6mlbe5bH

http://uxdesign.smashingmagazine.com/2012/05/30/design-process-responsive-ag
e/

http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/

Hope this helps, Che 

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To: cf-talk
Subject: Making a website mobile friendly


For the people who have turned their full fledged website into a mobile
ready site.. where do you start?
We have a CF9 website with flash, jquery, and other javascript, some parts
are kinda ugly.. Where do you begin? A whole rewrite?
Can you make a separate site and when a mobile device hits your URL it
goes there?

What's the best way to handle making a website mobile friendly?




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Re: The age old Question. Which framework

2012-07-24 Thread Cameron Childress

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Sandra Clark sclarkli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pretty much.  To them, XML equals a fusebox like approach and they want to
 get away from FB.  Which is a shame, cause I'm very comfortable with MG


If I were to read between the lines here I'd say this usually translates to
a team that wanted to break the rules of FB and wanted to put things int he
XML file that don't belong there. Logic where it doesn't belong, etc. I
only point it out because this is a problem the team probably isn't going
to get over just by switching frameworks.

I tend to favor FW/1 on projects right now. It has a great simplicity in
it's implementation but has very powerful features you can pull out when
needed. I think that as a former Fuseboxer, you will also draw a lot of
intuitive parallels between Fusebox's terminology and architecture and
FW/1's. Subsystems are similar to Circuits, etc...

FW/1 is absolutely well suited for a larger enterprise application and is
fairly well documented in a minimalistic, non hand-holding way. Meaning,
you may still need to drag some other developers along with you on
terminology if they don't know OO already - but I think you are expecting
that already.

Look at the other frameworks you mentioned, but make sure
you definitely fully evaluate FW/1 before making your decision. As a bonus
- check out DI/1 too.

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RE: Making a website mobile friendly

2012-07-24 Thread Paul Vernon

 What's the best way to handle making a website mobile friendly?

Well that's a loaded question and the answer is, it depends...

Technically, you can simply provide a CSS style sheet for handheld devices
which can re-format the layout of the site and turn off elements of the page
that aren't particularly suited to mobile devices or alternatively you can
create a standalone site.

Either way, this will depend entirely on your requirements and I've done
both in the past.

As examples, my own hobby site simply uses a handheld style sheet to
deliver a slightly different layout for the site to make it a bit more
flexible for mobiles. http://www.retro-kit.co.uk/. This approach retains
most if not all of the main sites content and functionality.

One of our clients sites however uses a fully optimised for mobile
mini-site that driven from the same CMS and is automatically redirected to
if the visitors user agent matches those defined as being handheld. The
sites are served on two different sub-domains being
http://www.krispykremejobs.co.uk/ and http://m.krispykremejobs.co.uk/ the
latter of which is redirected to when the former is visited by a mobile. The
mobile version of the site uses a much reduced set of features but enables
the core functions to remain and has been quite successful in its approach.

The two sites Krispy Kreme sites use a simple cookie to remember the users
choice if they end up on the mobile site but would prefer to be on the full
site by clicking on the View full site link in the footer. Likewise in the
footer of the main site, the mobile link sets the same cookie to indicate
the preference for the mobile domain. If no cookie exists the user is
directed using the rule set as indicated above. This allows users with
advanced smart phones capable of accessing the full site but usually
identified as handheld to choose to receive the full site or vice-versa.

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Re: Making a website mobile friendly

2012-07-24 Thread Greg Morphis

We'll probably have to have a separate site because there's just too
much to hide. I appreciate the links and comments Che and Paul!

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Paul Vernon
paul.ver...@web-architect.co.uk wrote:

 What's the best way to handle making a website mobile friendly?

 Well that's a loaded question and the answer is, it depends...

 Technically, you can simply provide a CSS style sheet for handheld devices
 which can re-format the layout of the site and turn off elements of the page
 that aren't particularly suited to mobile devices or alternatively you can
 create a standalone site.

 Either way, this will depend entirely on your requirements and I've done
 both in the past.

 As examples, my own hobby site simply uses a handheld style sheet to
 deliver a slightly different layout for the site to make it a bit more
 flexible for mobiles. http://www.retro-kit.co.uk/. This approach retains
 most if not all of the main sites content and functionality.

 One of our clients sites however uses a fully optimised for mobile
 mini-site that driven from the same CMS and is automatically redirected to
 if the visitors user agent matches those defined as being handheld. The
 sites are served on two different sub-domains being
 http://www.krispykremejobs.co.uk/ and http://m.krispykremejobs.co.uk/ the
 latter of which is redirected to when the former is visited by a mobile. The
 mobile version of the site uses a much reduced set of features but enables
 the core functions to remain and has been quite successful in its approach.

 The two sites Krispy Kreme sites use a simple cookie to remember the users
 choice if they end up on the mobile site but would prefer to be on the full
 site by clicking on the View full site link in the footer. Likewise in the
 footer of the main site, the mobile link sets the same cookie to indicate
 the preference for the mobile domain. If no cookie exists the user is
 directed using the rule set as indicated above. This allows users with
 advanced smart phones capable of accessing the full site but usually
 identified as handheld to choose to receive the full site or vice-versa.

 Paul







 

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Re: The requested URL not found

2012-07-24 Thread Russ Michaels

Just update ur url rewriting to handle these urls as well.

Regards
Russ Michaels
On Jul 24, 2012 3:36 PM, funand learning funandlrnn...@gmail.com wrote:


 What if the URL is getting converted to friendlyURLs? How can this be
 handled?

 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
 wrote:

 
  Add the fikename to the url and it should work.
 
  Regards
  Russ Michaels
  On Jul 24, 2012 3:11 PM, funand learning funandlrnn...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  
   Yes, the URL looks like
   http://abc.com/?visitfrom=youtube
 http://www.abc.com/?visitfrom=youtube
  
  
  
   On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Will Swain w...@hothorse.com wrote:
  
   
Possibly being daft here, but do you have the http:// prefix?
   
will
   
-Original Message-
From: funand learning [mailto:funandlrnn...@gmail.com]
Sent: 24 July 2012 14:51
To: cf-talk
Subject: The requested URL not found
   
   
Hi All,
   
We have youtube video with a link to our website embedded on it. The
  URL
has
query string as below:
   
www.abc.com/?visitfrom=youtube
   
The above URL is causing an error as The requested URL
   /?visitfrom=youtube
not found on this server.
   
Could this be happening due to / before the start of query string?
 Do
   we
need to change any settings on the server?
   
Thanks.
   
   
   
   
   
  
  
 
 

 

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logging in as user with admin account

2012-07-24 Thread Torrent Girl

Hi All.

I am working on an app that needs to allow an admin to log in as a user but 
keep his/her session active.

Any suggestions?

I tried to force a different browser but from my research that is impossible.

Also, I am not using URL params but the user info is set in session.


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Re: logging in as user with admin account

2012-07-24 Thread Scott Stewart

On 7/24/2012 2:30 PM, Torrent Girl wrote:
 Hi All.

 I am working on an app that needs to allow an admin to log in as a user but 
 keep his/her session active.

 Any suggestions?

 I tried to force a different browser but from my research that is impossible.

 Also, I am not using URL params but the user info is set in session.


 

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Re: logging in as user with admin account

2012-07-24 Thread Russ Michaels

You could just  have a link to auto post the user login details to the
login page. Or you just manually create the user session so he appears as
logged in for that user.

Regards
Russ Michaels
On Jul 24, 2012 7:31 PM, Torrent Girl moniqueb...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hi All.

 I am working on an app that needs to allow an admin to log in as a user
 but keep his/her session active.

 Any suggestions?

 I tried to force a different browser but from my research that is
 impossible.

 Also, I am not using URL params but the user info is set in session.


 

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Re: logging in as user with admin account

2012-07-24 Thread Torrent Girl

You could just  have a link to auto post the user login details to the
login page. Or you just manually create the user session so he appears as
logged in for that user.

Regards
Russ Michaels
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Russ I am passing the users login info but it overrides the admin's session. 


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RE: logging in as user with admin account

2012-07-24 Thread Milner, Lincoln

Expanding on what Russ said, we've got a mimic feature that takes a logged in 
session user (session.user variable), moves it (session.originaluser) and then 
logs in the admin as the requested user to mimic.  So there is a new 
session.user and the admin's own session.originaluser.  We have some 
functionality that should not be performed while mimicking (so we check for a 
session.originaluser), and when the admin is done, they stop the mimic, we 
delete the session.user and move session.originaluser back to session.user and 
the admin is back to him/herself on the site.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:31 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: logging in as user with admin account


Hi All.

I am working on an app that needs to allow an admin to log in as a user but 
keep his/her session active.

Any suggestions?

I tried to force a different browser but from my research that is impossible.

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Re: logging in as user with admin account

2012-07-24 Thread Russ Michaels

you really need to store the admin session in different variables to avoid
that problem.
try using session.user and session.admin for example.


On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Torrent Girl moniqueb...@gmail.com wrote:


 You could just  have a link to auto post the user login details to the
 login page. Or you just manually create the user session so he appears as
 logged in for that user.
 
 Regards
 Russ Michaels
 On Jul 24, 2012 7:31 PM, Torrent Girl moniqueb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 


 Russ I am passing the users login info but it overrides the admin's
 session.


 

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CF9 on Win2k8R2 64bit no more connectivity

2012-07-24 Thread Alex DeMarco

Has anyone ever run into an issue where their server consumes all tcpip 
connections?  Basically, when our server ramps up during the day cfmx is no 
longer to make any out bound connections to our database our mailserver.  If I 
open IE on the box I can't get an external webpage to come up.  THe only way I 
can solve the issue is to reboot the box.  Is this ringing any bells for anyone?

Thanks in advance

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simple question...cfmodule

2012-07-24 Thread Eric Roberts

I really don't use cfmodule much so I have a question.so I added an
attribute to the list and it doesn't seem to be passing the variable to the
custom tag (I don't see it in the error dump.though I see the other vars in
the attribute list).  Does the server need to be restarted to make that show
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Re: simple question...cfmodule

2012-07-24 Thread Raymond Camden

Nope. Do you have trusted cache turned on?

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Re: simple question...cfmodule

2012-07-24 Thread Alan Rother

Hey Eric,

You shouldnt need to restart - can you show us the code you're using?

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Re: CF9 on Win2k8R2 64bit no more connectivity

2012-07-24 Thread Russ Michaels

How do u know its cf using all connections?
You can use netstat to get a better idea whats going on
Type netstat /? For more details

Regards
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On Jul 24, 2012 9:54 PM, Alex DeMarco alex.dema...@suny.edu wrote:


 Has anyone ever run into an issue where their server consumes all tcpip
 connections?  Basically, when our server ramps up during the day cfmx is no
 longer to make any out bound connections to our database our mailserver.
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 only way I can solve the issue is to reboot the box.  Is this ringing any
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RE: simple question...cfmodule

2012-07-24 Thread Eric Roberts

cfmodule
template=#application.paths.includes#/meeting/MeetingFunctions.cfm
action=GetSingle
mode=full
meetingID=#variables.meetingID#
clientID=#variables.clientID#
r_stMeeting=stMeeting


ClientID doesn't come across as an attribute... 

I do see the other attributes and they have the expected values.

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You shouldnt need to restart - can you show us the code you're using?

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Re: simple question...cfmodule

2012-07-24 Thread Alan Rother

Hmm... There's nothing particularly weird about your tag...

Are you literally doing  cfdump var=#attributes# and not seeing the
value?

Also, what version of CF, is there a closing cfmodule tag and are you using
any isolation in your module itself?

You can isolate your cfmodule code by checking for which part of the
cfmodule tag has been called like so

cfif THISTAG.ExecutionMode IS Start/cfif Anything inside this CFIF
would get executed when the CF processor hits the opening cfmodule tag

cfif THISTAG.ExecutionMode IS End/cfif Anything inside this CFIF
would only get executed IF and WHEN CF processed a closing tag or if the
opening cfmodule tag was self closed cfmodule /


Just as a baseline, add some other random attribute to the cfmodule, like
foo=9 to see if it's making it through.

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 cfmodule
 template=#application.paths.includes#/meeting/MeetingFunctions.cfm
 action=GetSingle
 mode=full
 meetingID=#variables.meetingID#
 clientID=#variables.clientID#
 r_stMeeting=stMeeting


 ClientID doesn't come across as an attribute...

 I do see the other attributes and they have the expected values.

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Re: simple question...cfmodule

2012-07-24 Thread .jonah

Is clientID a reserved word? Have you tested calling it something else?

On 7/24/12 2:43 PM, Eric Roberts wrote:
 cfmodule
 template=#application.paths.includes#/meeting/MeetingFunctions.cfm
   action=GetSingle
   mode=full
   meetingID=#variables.meetingID#
   clientID=#variables.clientID#
   r_stMeeting=stMeeting


 ClientID doesn't come across as an attribute...

 I do see the other attributes and they have the expected values.

 Eric Roberts
 Owner/Developer
 Three Ravens Consulting
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 tel:
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 From: Alan Rother [mailto:alan.rot...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:25 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: simple question...cfmodule


 Hey Eric,

 You shouldnt need to restart - can you show us the code you're using?



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RE: simple question...cfmodule

2012-07-24 Thread Eric Roberts

Alan,
I didn't think anything was wrong...it's just really odd behavior.  I
believe it's CF7 and no...no end tag.  The custom tag is controlled by a
case statement.  I'll have to try the if's.  I have hjust been banging my
head agaisntt he desk for the past few hours trying to figure out why the
value isn't getting passed.

Jonah,
  Yes...and I didn't see them either.  I know for fact it is the cfmodule
tag getting executed because I can change the contents of the variables that
are getting passed, oddly enough.  As far as I know, clientid is not a
reserved word.  It is being used in another scope as part of a struct and
that works fine



Eric Roberts
Owner/Developer 
Three Ravens Consulting 
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http://www.threeravensconsulting.com 
tel: 
630-881-1515 






-Original Message-
From: Alan Rother [mailto:alan.rot...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:51 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: simple question...cfmodule


Hmm... There's nothing particularly weird about your tag...

Are you literally doing  cfdump var=#attributes# and not seeing the
value?

Also, what version of CF, is there a closing cfmodule tag and are you using
any isolation in your module itself?

You can isolate your cfmodule code by checking for which part of the
cfmodule tag has been called like so

cfif THISTAG.ExecutionMode IS Start/cfif Anything inside this CFIF
would get executed when the CF processor hits the opening cfmodule tag

cfif THISTAG.ExecutionMode IS End/cfif Anything inside this CFIF would
only get executed IF and WHEN CF processed a closing tag or if the opening
cfmodule tag was self closed cfmodule /


Just as a baseline, add some other random attribute to the cfmodule, like
foo=9 to see if it's making it through.

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Eric Roberts 
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:


 cfmodule
 template=#application.paths.includes#/meeting/MeetingFunctions.cfm
 action=GetSingle
 mode=full
 meetingID=#variables.meetingID#
 clientID=#variables.clientID#
 r_stMeeting=stMeeting


 ClientID doesn't come across as an attribute...

 I do see the other attributes and they have the expected values.

 Eric Roberts
 Owner/Developer
 Three Ravens Consulting
 ow...@threeravensconsulting.com
 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com
 tel:
 630-881-1515








 -Original Message-
 From: Alan Rother [mailto:alan.rot...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 4:25 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: simple question...cfmodule


 Hey Eric,

 You shouldnt need to restart - can you show us the code you're using?

 --
 Alan Rother
 Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, www.AZCFUG.org
 Twitter: @AlanRother




 



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RE: Making a website mobile friendly

2012-07-24 Thread Rick Faircloth

My perspective...

Don't treat your mobile site users as second-class netizens
by leaving out content available on your main site.  There
are users out there who have chose (due to economic reasons usually)
to use only their smartphones to access the Internet, instead
of paying a large bill or their smartphone Internet access, plus
another bill for home desktop/laptop access.

I believe in putting every bit of the information that you can
find on the desktop site on every version of the site, be it
the smartphone, 7 tablet, or 10 tablet version.

I don't think there's any information that would be of value
to a desktop user and not a smartphone user.

And, as a previous poster suggested, I believe responsive design
is the way to go.

I help my clients with Internet marketing, as well, and it's much
easier to use responsive design and only have to promote one domain
across all platforms, that to have to promote, www.clientsite.com,
www.clientsite.mobi, or m.clientsite.com.

Hope this helps...

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Greg Morphis [mailto:gmorp...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:19 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Making a website mobile friendly


We'll probably have to have a separate site because there's just too
much to hide. I appreciate the links and comments Che and Paul!

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Paul Vernon
paul.ver...@web-architect.co.uk wrote:

 What's the best way to handle making a website mobile friendly?

 Well that's a loaded question and the answer is, it depends...

 Technically, you can simply provide a CSS style sheet for handheld
devices
 which can re-format the layout of the site and turn off elements of the
page
 that aren't particularly suited to mobile devices or alternatively you can
 create a standalone site.

 Either way, this will depend entirely on your requirements and I've done
 both in the past.

 As examples, my own hobby site simply uses a handheld style sheet to
 deliver a slightly different layout for the site to make it a bit more
 flexible for mobiles. http://www.retro-kit.co.uk/. This approach retains
 most if not all of the main sites content and functionality.

 One of our clients sites however uses a fully optimised for mobile
 mini-site that driven from the same CMS and is automatically redirected
to
 if the visitors user agent matches those defined as being handheld. The
 sites are served on two different sub-domains being
 http://www.krispykremejobs.co.uk/ and http://m.krispykremejobs.co.uk/ the
 latter of which is redirected to when the former is visited by a mobile.
The
 mobile version of the site uses a much reduced set of features but enables
 the core functions to remain and has been quite successful in its
approach.

 The two sites Krispy Kreme sites use a simple cookie to remember the users
 choice if they end up on the mobile site but would prefer to be on the
full
 site by clicking on the View full site link in the footer. Likewise in
the
 footer of the main site, the mobile link sets the same cookie to indicate
 the preference for the mobile domain. If no cookie exists the user is
 directed using the rule set as indicated above. This allows users with
 advanced smart phones capable of accessing the full site but usually
 identified as handheld to choose to receive the full site or vice-versa.

 Paul







 



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