Re: Has anyone seen this before?

[Sean Renet]

Pablo its more than just that, even if you update to that patch you will
still get that error if you are sending out a bunch of email at once.  I
don't think Allaire has thier arms completely around CFMAIL and CFFTP yet.
As I have posted before, here is what we do to pre-empt having the problem
occur.

Actually its not my solution, it was Tony Aly's solution and it works great.


 
THIS QUERY RETURNS THE PEOPLE YOU ARE SENDING TO
 





 #get_email_message.message_mem#
 .
 
 

 

   


Over the last 2 years we have tried everything imaginable in CF to
accomplish the same task and this is the only solution that has worked for
us.

You can get CFX_WAIT int the tag gallery in Allaire's Developer Exchange.
http://devex.allaire.com/developer/gallery/SearchResults.cfm?keywords=CFX_WA
IT&search=search

Hope that helps,

Sean Renet


- Original Message -
From: "Pablo Varando" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this before?


> Cool, thanks! That did it! :)
>
> Pablo
> http://www.cfm-resources.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this before?
>
>
> > On 5/4/01, Pablo Varando penned:
> > >unknown exception condition
> > >
> > >TagCFMail::sendMessage
> > >
> > >The error occurred while processing an element with a general
> > >identifier of (CFMAIL), occupying document position (37:1) to
> > >(40:43).
> > >
> > >What exactly is this? anyone know how to get rid of it?
> >
> > Try this:
> >
> > http://www.allaire.com/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=15821&Method=Full
> > --
> >
> > Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations
> >
> > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
> > ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.twcreations.com/
> > 954.721.3452
> >
> >
>
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Re: Ultradev & Studio

[Sean Renet]

Well, the returned record sets for stored procedures that you get in
UltraDev would be a nice addition to Studio.
- Original Message -
From: "Peter Tilbrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 11:20 PM
Subject: RE: Ultradev & Studio


> Mark, I'm inclined to agree with you. Dreamweaver for all intent and
> purposes is a fine product for the "visual" web designer. As far as code
> development goes it just doesn't cut it - which is why I imagine they ship
> HomeSite with Dreamweaver for code cutting purposes.
>
> ColdFusion Studio - at least version 4.5.2 SP2 - is a fine product,
finally.
> Admittedly I am still running 4.0 until I get the time to install the
latest
> release. 4.0 does not save files as zero bytes which later version did
> regularly.
>
> Rather than merge a product like Studio/HomeSite into UltraDev (expensive
> product is UltraDev for what it claims to do) update CF Studio 4.5.1
to
> include new CF5.0 support. After all these years the 4.5 product is now
> totally indespensible. If it aint broke dont fix it!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Terrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2001 13:14
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Ultradev & Studio
>
>
> Our CFUG had a macromedia rep come talk to us the other night. apparently
> ultradev & studio are being merged into ONE product...ie the code window
of
> ultradev will be like studio
>
> personally I think that this is the worst possible decision that
macromedia
> could possibly make. they may like their trippy looking ultradev
> product...but a vast populace of cf'ers don't. when the macromedia guy
told
> us of this product merge, he suddenly had a roomful of *extremely* irate
> programmers. whatever macromedia does, they shouldn't wreck the good
> relationship that allaire built up with us at ground level. leave bloody
> ultradev to the graphic designers and leave us in peace with our
intimitely
> favourite memory chewing dev tool.
>
>
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Re: Creating a Dynamic Menu

[Sean Renet]

why not just use harpoon?
- Original Message -
From: "Dylan Bromby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: Creating a Dynamic Menu


> i'm not sure you need to incur the overhead of using WDDX. the
> cross-browser, cross-platform DHTML menu i ended up writing is only 10
lines
> of JS composed of 2 functions.
>
> the menu elements themselves are all data-driven via CF.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven A. del Sol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 3:09 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Creating a Dynamic Menu
>
>
> Now, that sounds good.  I believe I could due that.
>
> CF-WDDX-JS GOOD IDEA
>
> THANKS
>
>
>
> At 05:48 PM 4/30/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >I believe MSNBC uses some sort of custom ActiveX control. You can get the
> >same look and feel though. with a Javascript/DHTML script that others
have
> >mentioned. Just dynamically generate the Javascript with CF.
> >If you are worried about performance, you could get real slick, and
> generate
> >your menu as a wddx packet in cf, pass the wddx to a javascript wddx
parser
> >and do all the hard work in javascript, this also lets the browser cache
> the
> >menu since it's javascript now.
> >
> >jon
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Steven A. del Sol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:20 PM
> >Subject: RE: Creating a Dynamic Menu
> >
> >
> > > My request is not generic.  I gave a specific URL.  I am trying to
make
> >the
> > > same
> > > look and fell as the one at MSNBC.  It is content driven and as you
can
> > > tell from the
> > > source code created with something like generator.  I give respect
where
> > > due.  I admit
> > > that I have seen some real lame answers on this board to some real
lame
> > > questions.
> > > I appreciate all help I receive.
> > >
> > > Now, I can create a flash driven menu but then I must
> > > require the user to have one more piece of technology.  I am a
> minimalist.
> > > Flash is
> > > great on a gaming site or even on a portfolio but if you look at the
top
> > > ecommerce and
> > > content driven sites Flash is virtually unseen.  Why? Its a waste of
> time,
> > > and prevents
> > > a good number of users from a smooth web experience.
> > >
> > > I believe that I can create the Menu options in DHTML for 4.0 browsers
> and
> >up.
> > > Since, I intend to serve the pages dynamically, I was thinking about
the
> > > workload to the server.  This board has alot of top notch talent.  I
was
> > > hoping that
> > > someone might give me a hint or idea that might push me in the right
> > > direction.
> > > Not the cynical answer.
> > >
> > >
> > > >my point is this:
> > > >
> > > >your request is about as generic as "hey i want to make a web page,
any
> > > >ideas?"
> > > >
> > > >well, do you want to make a DHTML menu? will it be only for IE or do
> you
> > > >want it for IE and NN? do you want it to work on macs or just PCs?
how
> >many
> > > >levels of menus should it have?
> > > >
> > > >i just built a very lean menu that is actually quite powerful that
> works
> >in
> > > >IE 5.0 and above and netscape 4.x and above. works on PCs and macs.
> > > >
> > > >most everything i looked at on the net didn't work for what i wanted
to
> >do.
> > > >in the end i just wrote my own.
> > > >
> > > >so before you start casting "smart ass" in your subject, maybe you
> should
> > > >learn something. which is exactly what i meant by "view source".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-Original Message-
> > > >From: Steven A. del Sol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 12:21 PM
> > > >To: CF-Talk
> > > >Subject: RE: Creating a Dynamic Menu - SMART @SS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Wow, now why didn't I think about that Any Real Help?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >At 10:37 AM 4/30/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> > > > >view source.
> > > > >
> > > > >-Original Message-
> > > > >From: Steven A. del Sol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > >Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:32 AM
> > > > >To: CF-Talk
> > > > >Subject: Creating a Dynamic Menu
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I would like to create a Dynamic Menu
> > > > > >like the one on MSNBC.COM using CF.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Does anybody have any ideas?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: CFMAIL problems

[Sean Renet]

If I remember correctly reinstalling the dll is just a matter of replacing
it with a different one and restarting the server.  I believe the dll you
are looking for is C:\CFUSION\BIN\smtp.dll.  You might want to call tech
support to make sure however.  If it were me, I would install CF on a
development box, grab that dll from the development box and put it were the
one on the production box is.

Sean Renet
- Original Message -
From: "DE Bonis, Nicolas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 12:07 AM
Subject: RE: CFMAIL problems


> Well we have restarted the server before, and that has not fixed the
> problem..
>
> would you know how I would go about reinstalling the dll's??? and how
risky
> it is...
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sean Renet [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 17:03
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: CFMAIL problems
> >
> > Nick, the dll's for cfmail and cfftp are horrible. so if you had the
> > problem
> > once where you sent out a bunch of email, the dll is now corrupted.
Even
> > if
> > you try to send one now chances are its not going to get out.  At best
you
> > have to restart the server, at worst you have to reinstall the dll.
> >
> > Sean Renet
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "DE Bonis, Nicolas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:31 PM
> > Subject: RE: CFMAIL problems
> >
> >
> > > Thanks Sean,
> > >
> > > I also get this problem when sending just one email, the looping was
> > just
> > a
> > > test
> > > I did to how reliable the system was. My understanding it that when
you
> > do
> > a
> > > cfmail,
> > > it doesnt actually send the mail straight away, it places it in spool
> > > directory as a text file,
> > > and every N seconds some sort of process mails everything in the spool
> > > directory.
> > > i am going to try use cfx_wait, but it seems strange to me that this
> > effects
> > > how your mail is sent,
> > > if it was sent instantly it would make sense to me.
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your help
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Sean Renet [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 16:21
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: CFMAIL problems
> > > >
> > > > This is the only solution that worked for me when their are tons of
> > email.
> > > > Actually its not my solution, it was Tony Aly's solution and it
works
> > > > great.
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >   > > > dbserver="#attributes.dbserver#" dbname="#attributes.dbname#"
> > > > username="#attributes.dbusername#"
password="#attributes.dbpassword#">
> > > > THIS QUERY RETURNS THE PEOPLE YOU ARE SENDING TO
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >   > > > from="#trim(get_email_message.from_vc)#"
> > > > subject="#trim(get_email_message.subject_vc)#"
> > > >
> > server="#trim(attributes.mail_server)#">#get_email_message.message_mem#
> > > >  .
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Over the last 2 years we have tried everything imaginable in CF to
> > > > accomplish the same task and this is the only solution that has
worked
> > for
> > > > us.
> > > >
> > > > You can get CFX_WAIT int the tag gallery in Allaire's Developer
> > Exchange.
> > > >
> >
http://devex.allaire.com/developer/gallery/SearchResults.cfm?keywords=CFX_
> > > > WA
> > > > IT&search=search
> > > >
> > > > Hope that helps,
> > > >
> > > > Sean Renet
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "DE Bonis, Nicolas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:52 PM
> > > > Subject: CFMAIL problems
> > > >
> > > >
&

Re: CFMAIL problems

[Sean Renet]

Nick, the dll's for cfmail and cfftp are horrible. so if you had the problem
once where you sent out a bunch of email, the dll is now corrupted.  Even if
you try to send one now chances are its not going to get out.  At best you
have to restart the server, at worst you have to reinstall the dll.

Sean Renet
- Original Message -
From: "DE Bonis, Nicolas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:31 PM
Subject: RE: CFMAIL problems


> Thanks Sean,
>
> I also get this problem when sending just one email, the looping was just
a
> test
> I did to how reliable the system was. My understanding it that when you do
a
> cfmail,
> it doesnt actually send the mail straight away, it places it in spool
> directory as a text file,
> and every N seconds some sort of process mails everything in the spool
> directory.
> i am going to try use cfx_wait, but it seems strange to me that this
effects
> how your mail is sent,
> if it was sent instantly it would make sense to me.
>
> Thanks for all your help
>
> Nick
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sean Renet [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 16:21
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: CFMAIL problems
> >
> > This is the only solution that worked for me when their are tons of
email.
> > Actually its not my solution, it was Tony Aly's solution and it works
> > great.
> >
> > 
> >   > dbserver="#attributes.dbserver#" dbname="#attributes.dbname#"
> > username="#attributes.dbusername#" password="#attributes.dbpassword#">
> > THIS QUERY RETURNS THE PEOPLE YOU ARE SENDING TO
> >  
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   > from="#trim(get_email_message.from_vc)#"
> > subject="#trim(get_email_message.subject_vc)#"
> > server="#trim(attributes.mail_server)#">#get_email_message.message_mem#
> >  .
> >  
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >
> > 
> >
> > Over the last 2 years we have tried everything imaginable in CF to
> > accomplish the same task and this is the only solution that has worked
for
> > us.
> >
> > You can get CFX_WAIT int the tag gallery in Allaire's Developer
Exchange.
> >
http://devex.allaire.com/developer/gallery/SearchResults.cfm?keywords=CFX_
> > WA
> > IT&search=search
> >
> > Hope that helps,
> >
> > Sean Renet
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "DE Bonis, Nicolas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:52 PM
> > Subject: CFMAIL problems
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am having problems with cfmail, sometimes it delivers mail and
> > sometimes
> > > it doesnt.
> > > I performed a test in where I looped over a cfmail 20 times, and 18 of
> > those
> > > where delivered, 2 of
> > > them werent. Examining the mail log, the following message appeared
> > >
> > > "SMTP server replied "No connection to mail server." Moved file to
> > > d:\resource\apps\cfusion\MAIL\undelivr\118.cfmail."
> > >
> > > The site is hosted in australia and our mail server is in the US. I
> > tried
> > > bumping the timeout up to 300 seconds and also
> > > specifying the mail server's address as a IP address and not a host
> > name.
> > It
> > > still hasn't solved the problem. It is hard to find
> > > the problem because it occurs randomly. I have read many mailing list
> > > archives where this problem occurs, but they all seem
> > > to never be able to deliver mail, in my case, 80% of the time it does.
> > >
> > > has anyone experienced this same problem? If so, how did you fix it!
> > >
> > > Could the problem be on the mail server??
> > >
> > > Could any software on the webserver causing this. We are running
> > pcanywhere
> > > and an ftp server.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > > Nick
> > >
> > > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/
> > > Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: CFMAIL problems

[Sean Renet]

This is the only solution that worked for me when their are tons of email.
Actually its not my solution, it was Tony Aly's solution and it works great.


 
THIS QUERY RETURNS THE PEOPLE YOU ARE SENDING TO
 





 #get_email_message.message_mem#
 .
 
 

 

   


Over the last 2 years we have tried everything imaginable in CF to
accomplish the same task and this is the only solution that has worked for
us.

You can get CFX_WAIT int the tag gallery in Allaire's Developer Exchange.
http://devex.allaire.com/developer/gallery/SearchResults.cfm?keywords=CFX_WA
IT&search=search

Hope that helps,

Sean Renet
- Original Message -
From: "DE Bonis, Nicolas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:52 PM
Subject: CFMAIL problems


>
> Hi,
>
> I am having problems with cfmail, sometimes it delivers mail and sometimes
> it doesnt.
> I performed a test in where I looped over a cfmail 20 times, and 18 of
those
> where delivered, 2 of
> them werent. Examining the mail log, the following message appeared
>
> "SMTP server replied "No connection to mail server." Moved file to
> d:\resource\apps\cfusion\MAIL\undelivr\118.cfmail."
>
> The site is hosted in australia and our mail server is in the US. I tried
> bumping the timeout up to 300 seconds and also
> specifying the mail server's address as a IP address and not a host name.
It
> still hasn't solved the problem. It is hard to find
> the problem because it occurs randomly. I have read many mailing list
> archives where this problem occurs, but they all seem
> to never be able to deliver mail, in my case, 80% of the time it does.
>
> has anyone experienced this same problem? If so, how did you fix it!
>
> Could the problem be on the mail server??
>
> Could any software on the webserver causing this. We are running
pcanywhere
> and an ftp server.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Nick
>
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Re: Sorting a query created manually

[Sean Renet]

There is a nice tag in the Developer Gallery called cf_sortQuery  which
should solve all yer prollems.  You can also get it on the author's website
at http://tags.runar.net/

Sean Renet
- Original Message -
From: "Alex Skinner - Digital Dreams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:23 AM
Subject: Sorting a query created manually


> Hi all,
>
> I'm currently creating a content management system using WDDX.
>
> I'm creating a query using the QueryNew,QueryAddRow and QuerySetCell
> functions
>
> This query is then being stored in a WDDX packet.
>
> When I output the query I obviously deserialse it and then use if with
> CFOUTPUT QUERY or CFLOOP
>
> What I need to do is process the query and return a newversion sorted by a
> specific column or columns.
>
> Yes I know you can do this really easily in CF5 but this jobs strictly
> 4.51sp2
>
> Has anyone done this could I copy the query into a temporary data
structure
> of some kind then sort on the specified column then rebuild the sorted
query
> for output or is there an easier way?
>
> Any help, general ideas appreciated
>
> Thanks
>
> Alex
>
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Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Sean Renet]

DAMN nice play on words Steve :-P
- Original Message -
From: "Stephen M Aylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


> Macromedia's favorite Crack Dealer is Ivanapulo :-)  Its a real feel good
> love fest.
>
> Steve
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sean Renet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> e. If you
> > really think this is good, clear cut and will cause no problems, please
> > email me the number of your crack dealer because I ran out.
> >
>
>
>
>
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Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Sean Renet]

Dylan,
hehe, well I only have 3 clients  because I send all the rest to you :-P  I
am just finishing up a crazy development cycle, but after next week I should
have plenty of time to get together.

David,

Like I said in my post, the decisions my clients make do not adversly affect
me one way or the other as I am more architect than programmer and if needed
my programming skill set allows me to program in whatever language is
specified.

However, instead of being alice peering thru the looking glass, look at the
real picture Dave.  The fact is that the FAQ specifies that "Shared server
hosting services" refers to the practice of hosting multiple applications,
each created by a different third party, on a single server. .  This creates
quite a problem for companies that are not necessarily Host Pro/Interland et
al, but rather develop web sites and host them on dedicated servers AT Host
Pro/Interland et al.  Now at first glance you would say well if they are on
dedicated servers and they are doing the development then they do not fall
within the new hosting lisence.  Okay what happens now if they get a new
client that they did not develop, and simply wants them to host the site and
deal with site administration like webtrends etc?  Now, they have a site on
their dedicated server that falls within the new hosting license and would
have to buy a new box and trudge through whatever new knee-jerk pricing
scheme Macromedia has come up with OR TURN DOWN THE BUSINESS.  You call my
clients' decisions knee-jerk, and I find them more in the way of final
frustration with Allaire.  And "APPLICATION" has not even been defined as
yet.  Do we think that means per IP address?  Per CFAPPLICATION tag?  Per
Domain?  Per Datasource?  So here we are a month or so from release, they
drop a bomb like this with no explanation, no definition and you are
defending them?  Why?  The only explanation we were given was a one page FAQ
which was not published until after this community exploded.  This was not
well thought out by Macromedia.  Further, I think it is actually Macromedia
that is knee-jerking to their exposure from the purchase of Allaire. If you
really think this is good, clear cut and will cause no problems, please
email me the number of your crack dealer because I ran out.

- Original Message -
From: "Dylan Bromby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


> sean;
>
> don't you mean your ONLY 3 clients? just kiddin. we should get together
> sometime and see what the hell we're each doin.
>
> i don't think figleaf is a CF-only shop.
>
> autobytel is more or less a CF-only shop (i worked there for a year and a
> half) but they're not in the business of hosting applications for 3rd
> parties.
>
> my guess is this *probably* doesn't adversely affect the core business of
> either.
>
> --dylan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 5:34 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License
>
>
> I just spoke to 3 of my clients.  Coincidently, one of them is in the
> process of hiring programmers.  After a brief discussion, it appears
instead
> of hiring cf developers, "based on the Coldfusion Press release, we have
> decided to extend our java staff".  Fortunately my business is
architecture
> and not coding, but it appears my web clients are going to either a) not
> upgrade their current boxes to 5.0 and/or b) find another solution for new
> business.  So I guess its back to programming in Java, there goes all the
> free time I used for naked disco parties.  Btw when they suggested
doing
> stuff in Java I mentioned using JRUN as the engine, their reply was,
"Right,
> Macromedia dicks us on licensing in CF5 so we can turn around and use one
of
> their other products?  No, we are going with weblogic because people know
> the product and we understand its licensing structure".  Another client
> commented "M* f*, it already has a bad rap, the last think you
wanna
> do is make it cost-ineffective for anyone to use  they're trying to
sell
> it for the price of a java app server w/o the performance".  The last
client
> said they were going to move new business to PHP.
>
> So here is my spin on the whole thing...
>
> Ben Forta says "Be patient, wait to see the pricing structure before you
> make a decision"
>
> Well, I think Macromedia needs to hire a press department that has an idea
> of how to relay information.  In the record business, we had a saying. "If
> yer gonna scream "fire" in your own movie theatre, at least wait until the
> movie is over an

Re: [Slightly OT: can't access Localhost (127.0.0.1)]

[Sean Renet]

Mark is this on a server or a Windows 98 type machine? If its on a server,
go into your IIS manager, right click on the web site in question, select
properties, click the advanced button next to your IP addresses and add
127.0.0.1 to the "Multiple Identities For This Web Site" box.
- Original Message -
From: "Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Slightly OT: can't access Localhost (127.0.0.1)]


> > are you accessing it from the SAME machine?
>
> Yes
>
> >is the webserver running?
>
> Yes
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> >
> >
> > Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > When trying to access the CF Administrator on our
> > server, I receive an error that the server 127.0.0.1
> > can't be found, DNS error. It's worked great for the
> > last year, but now it's not accessible. Does anyone
> > have any suggestions to the cause? No changes were
> > made to the server other than adding a new FTP
> > server
> > (serv-u), but I'm not sure how long the localhost
> > was
> > not available - it's been a few months since I last
> > accessed CF Admin. Thanks!
> >
> > Mark
> >
>
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Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License

[Sean Renet]

I just spoke to 3 of my clients.  Coincidently, one of them is in the
process of hiring programmers.  After a brief discussion, it appears instead
of hiring cf developers, "based on the Coldfusion Press release, we have
decided to extend our java staff".  Fortunately my business is architecture
and not coding, but it appears my web clients are going to either a) not
upgrade their current boxes to 5.0 and/or b) find another solution for new
business.  So I guess its back to programming in Java, there goes all the
free time I used for naked disco parties.  Btw when they suggested doing
stuff in Java I mentioned using JRUN as the engine, their reply was, "Right,
Macromedia dicks us on licensing in CF5 so we can turn around and use one of
their other products?  No, we are going with weblogic because people know
the product and we understand its licensing structure".  Another client
commented "M* f*, it already has a bad rap, the last think you wanna
do is make it cost-ineffective for anyone to use  they're trying to sell
it for the price of a java app server w/o the performance".  The last client
said they were going to move new business to PHP.

So here is my spin on the whole thing...

Ben Forta says "Be patient, wait to see the pricing structure before you
make a decision"

Well, I think Macromedia needs to hire a press department that has an idea
of how to relay information.  In the record business, we had a saying. "If
yer gonna scream "fire" in your own movie theatre, at least wait until the
movie is over and the fire trucks are outside."  That is, don't send out a
press release saying you are going to dick your loyal customers with a new
licensing scheme until you can send out that release WITH the new licensing
scheme. Further more, from the response on these lists, it doesn't appear
any research was done in regards to this new pricing structure.  If Allaire
counts on selling CF licenses for revenue, it looks like if you were ever
going to sell them short on Wallstreet now would be the time, because I
don't see them selling the same number of CF5 servers as they did previous
versions and they do not make any "new" income on prior installations.
And as I recall you can't buy previous versions after they release a new
one.  So they lose those sales as well.*  If I am a hosting company I am
just going to tell my clients that "sorry you can't query a query here", and
continue to grab clients that do not need that functionality. Also, if you
are a hosting company I would buy all the cf4.5 servers you think you are
going to need for new boxes as Allaire doesn't make previous versions
available after a new release.

As for me, it doesn't really impact me.  Anything I do on my own will be in
4.5.  I am not going to argue Allaire's licensing plan with any of my
clients that are otherwise inclined as I don't receive a check from Allaire
to do so and my skill set gives me other options.  I am curious however how
big time partners like Figleaf and Autobytel are taking this news.

As for Dinowitz and House of Fusion, Macromedia would have to be complete
fucking morons to charge the purveyor of the ColdFusion community more to
continue to be their glue.


Sean Renet.

- Original Message -
From: "Chris Colón" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: New CF5 Partner Hosting License


> 'is there any book called "PHP by April30th"??' - lol
>
> A couple folks have asked for it, so here's the text of the announcement
that hosting partners received yesterday
> (apologies if my Netscape Communicator email program parses the line feeds
weirdly):
>
> -
>
> Dear Partner,
>
> On April 30, 2001, Macromedia will be announcing the launch of ColdFusion
Server 5 and the ColdFusion Server 5
> Hosting Service Provider Edition, which consists of a new End-User License
for commercial hosting service
> providers.
>
> We are excited to provide you with advanced notice of our announcement of
the launch of a new Hosting Edition for
> ColdFusion 5.0 that offers Web Hosting partners improved functionality as
well as new licensing terms.
>
> Improved Functionality
>
> ColdFusion Server 5 has new functionality that will help hosters improve
the management and enhance the performance
> of hosted ColdFusion servers. It also provides existing ColdFusion users
with numerous new features that should
> drive more business for ColdFusion hosters.  The following is brief
description of some of those features:
>
> *   SNMP MIB (Management Information Base)- Provides performance and
availability data so that ColdFusion
> servers can be monitored from within an enterprise systems management
con

Re: Cold Fusion Magazine? Any Good?

[Sean Renet]

Any thing Hal and Ben are published in I buy.
- Original Message -
From: "Jeff Fongemie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 7:05 AM
Subject: Cold Fusion Magazine? Any Good?


> Hello cf-talk,
>
>   I've seen the Cold Fusion magazine website "Cold Fusion Developers
>   Journal" on the web.
>
>   Is the magazine any good? I'm thinking of getting a subscription,
>   but have never seen one. Fairly expensive magazine!
>
>
> Best regards,
>  Jeff Fongemie  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Internet Guns For Hire
> (603) 356-0768
>
>
>
>
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Re: Bank of America and e-stores and CFHTTP

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Chris,
The fact is that you actually do not need to post from a secure page at all.
Nor do you need to do any other trickiness that has been explained in prior
emails.  Did Bank of America set up a test site for you?  Did that site
work?  I was having the same problems you are describing and decided not to
let the rep off the phone till I got what I needed.  Here is what we found
out.  The BofA configurations on their end were not set up properly.  By
this I do not mean that something was set up wrong in the user admin thing
at https://manager.bamart.com/Login.asp (although you should make sure these
settings are set to return your accept and reject pages).  The fact is that
this stuff is new to them and they do not have their shit together, so you
need to hammer them until you get a response back from the request.  If it
helps here is what my code looks like

---auth_bofa.cfm---






  




 


https://cart.bamart.com/payment.mart"
resolveurl="yes">







































 
#cfhttp.filecontent#



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Re: Excluding IDs in queries

[Sean Renet]

Use NOT IN

WHERE featured = No AND
ID NOT IN (#ListofIDs#)


- Original Message -
From: "W Luke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:48 AM
Subject: Excluding IDs in queries


> Hello.
>
> I'm trying to exclude an ID from the WHERE in a query, by looping through
a
> list, but it's causing a lot of headaches.  The list contains delimited
list
> of IDS (120,145,987,564 etc)
>
>  
> SELECT ID,email,subject,paid FROM advert_details
> WHERE featured = No
> AND (
> 
> OR ID <> #i#
> )
> 
>
> I know the above is glaringly wrong, but I've tried everything - is it the
> positioning of ANDs and ORs?
>
> Any advice would be muuuch appreciated.
>
> Will
>
>
>
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What is the maximum lenght for urltoken?

[Sean Renet]

I am playing with Bank of America's new credit card processing.  For those
of you that don't know how it works, you have to submit by form or via
cfhttp to https://cart.bamart.com/payment.mart.  The problem is that once
you submit this information it redirects a url string to whichever page you
determine.  Unfortunately this means that the browser is hitting your
application fresh so a new urltoken is generated in application.cfm. Wherein
I have had no luck resolving cfid and cftoken I found a work around by web
scripting them.  That is they give you two fields to play with
(IOC_merchant_order_id and IOC_merchant_shopper_id).  Both fields have a
maximum length of 32 characters. So I set one of these fields to
"&urltoken".

eg.,



So when this comes back, it sends cfid and cftoken as form parameters.  This
works fine, unless...
a) someone over there figures out how to secure thier application
b) urltoken is more than 31 characters

So my question is

what is the maximum length of urltoken?  or Can you make reset the urltoken
in application.cfm?  I thought about grabbing it from a cookie, but I do not
want to exclude all the paranoid paramilitia folks in montana that don't
have their cookies turned on.


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Re: client variables

[Sean Renet]

What Ben meant to say is they do not support complex data sets unless you
wrap yer complex data set into a WDDX packet and set the output as a client
variable.  Yes, they are slower, but they are way more reliable.  I can't
think of a reason to use session variables actually.

BTW Heya Dylan.

Sean Renet
- Original Message -
From: "Ben Forta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 9:29 PM
Subject: RE: client variables


> Nope, CLIENT variables are stored on disk, SESSION variables are stored in
> memory. CLIENT variables are designed to persist longer than SESSION
> variables, and they don't require locking. The downside is that they are
> slower, and they do not support complex data types (like arrays or
> structures) easily.
>
> --- Ben
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dylan Bromby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 12:19 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: client variables
>
>
> is using the client scope as volatile as  using session vars? meaning...if
> my CF service restarts itself for whatever reason, i lose existing session
> variables so if someone was in the middle of an application...it breaks
> (since it depends on sessions). if i use client variables, will that
happen?
>
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Re: 'unknown exception condition' Causing CRASH

[Sean Renet]

Are you running SQL on the same box?
- Original Message -
From: "Windle, Kevan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 1:14 AM
Subject: RE: 'unknown exception condition' Causing CRASH


> I got this as a result of a bad sql query using up resources.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Berger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 14 March 2001 20:37
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: 'unknown exception condition' Causing CRASH
>
>
> For the past 2 days, we've been experiencing Cold Fusion crashes.  This is
> the error in the Application Log:
>
> 'unknown exception condition'
> CodeRuntimeContextImp::executeSQLTagCFQuery::endTag
>
> Does anybody know what could cause this?  ...and why is it crashing
> ColdFusion (have to reboot the server to get the service to start back
up)?
>
> Thanks,
> David Berger
>
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Bank of America Authorization Tag

[Sean Renet]

Has anyone built a tag to Authorize payments through Bank of America yet?


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Re: A request

[Sean Renet]

Phillip,

Get caller ID.
You know I used to tell recording artists who's phone numbers got out that
the converse could also be true.  That is, your phone number gets out and no
one cares to call :-P

Sean Renet.
- Original Message -
From: "Philip Arnold - ASP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:24 AM
Subject: A request


> I know I put my phone number in my Sig - the amount I post, I'm hardly
> likely to take it off every post 
>
> Can people not phone me to ask for help - I've had a few now, and although
> I'm normally willing to help (it's why I'm on CF-Talk), I'm usually too
busy
> to spend 5-10 mins on the phone to people
>
> I normally answer emails during "thinking time", so if you really want a
bit
> of personal help - email me and ask directly - I'll see what I can do
> (including calling people back)...
>
> Thanks
>
> Philip Arnold
> Director
> Certified ColdFusion Developer
> ASP Multimedia Limited
> T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133
>
> "Websites for the real world"
>
> **
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Re: Authorize.Net or Cybercash or someone else?

[Sean Renet]

I use paymentnet http://www.signio.com/
You might want to also consider back of america


- Original Message -
From: "Dustin M. Snell [Unisyn Software, LLC]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 7:14 PM
Subject: OT: Authorize.Net or Cybercash or someone else?


> Hello All,
>
> I have never been terribly enthusastic about Cybercash's quality of
service.
> I am hearing a lot about Authorize.net now.  Our site is all CF 4.5/W2K so
> good integration in that area is a must. Price, reliabilty, speed are also
> important of course. Does anyone have any opinions on this and or
> comparisons?
>
> If the answer is Authorize.net - could someone point me in the direction
to
> find CF integration instructions for online transaction processing?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dustin M. Snell
> Unisyn Software, LLC
> Developers of AutoMate - The Leading Automation Software for Windows
> http://www.unisyn.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: Mailing Shots in CF

[Sean Renet]

they don't have too, you can just write a similar on and put it in the
directory of your app
- Original Message -
From: "W Luke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: Mailing Shots in CF


> Sean,
>
> Thanks for the reply - definately looks a good idea, and thanks for the
code
> example.  I'll ask my ISP if they'll install the tag, and give it a try.
>
> Out of interest, with what sized query have you tried this with?
>
> Will
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=- www.lukrative.com
> Local-Advertising -=- www.localbounty.com
>
> > If you try to send out a ton of mail at once with CFMAIL, for some
reason
> it
> > just stops working and you have to reboot the server or reinstall the
dll.
> > Allaire just hasn't quite got thier arms around CFMAIL and CFFTP yet.
And
> > they especially didn't have thier arms around it in 4.0.  What I found
> works
> > is putting CFMAIL inside a loop and foregoing the query attribute.  Then
> use
> > the cfx_wait tag between each iteration of the loop. BTW, Tony Aly came
up
> > with this solution, so I cannot take credit for it.  It works, give it a
> > try.
> >
> > EG.,
> > 
> > 
> >   > from="#trim(get_email_message.from_vc)#"
> > subject="#trim(get_email_message.subject_vc)#"
> > server="#trim(attributes.mail_server)#">#get_email_message.message_mem#
> >  
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > The CFX_WAIT tag is available in the Allaire tag library
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "W Luke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 12:06 PM
> > Subject: Mailing Shots in CF
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm looking for a bit of advice and ideas with Mailing Shots in CF.  I
> run
> > a
> > > site with an Access DB, and use a basic  query to grab the
> members
> > > and send the weekly mail out - however only half the members receive
the
> > > email, due to a timeout problem.  I don't know why - default 30
> > > second-timeout seems huge enough to me, and the query is relatively
> small
> > > (500 or so members).
> > >
> > > So, my questions are:
> > >
> > > 1) Why am I getting a timeout?
> > > 2) How can I send out a mail-shot to my customers?
> > > 3) I asked my ISP to install CoolFusion's IMS...but they didn't want
to
> :(
> > >
> > > Thanks for any tips or general ideas on this.
> > >
> > > Will
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=- www.lukrative.com
> > > Local-Advertising -=- www.localbounty.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: Mailing Shots in CF

[Sean Renet]

If you try to send out a ton of mail at once with CFMAIL, for some reason it
just stops working and you have to reboot the server or reinstall the dll.
Allaire just hasn't quite got thier arms around CFMAIL and CFFTP yet.  And
they especially didn't have thier arms around it in 4.0.  What I found works
is putting CFMAIL inside a loop and foregoing the query attribute.  Then use
the cfx_wait tag between each iteration of the loop. BTW, Tony Aly came up
with this solution, so I cannot take credit for it.  It works, give it a
try.

EG.,


 #get_email_message.message_mem#
 
 

 




The CFX_WAIT tag is available in the Allaire tag library

- Original Message -
From: "W Luke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 12:06 PM
Subject: Mailing Shots in CF


> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for a bit of advice and ideas with Mailing Shots in CF.  I run
a
> site with an Access DB, and use a basic  query to grab the members
> and send the weekly mail out - however only half the members receive the
> email, due to a timeout problem.  I don't know why - default 30
> second-timeout seems huge enough to me, and the query is relatively small
> (500 or so members).
>
> So, my questions are:
>
> 1) Why am I getting a timeout?
> 2) How can I send out a mail-shot to my customers?
> 3) I asked my ISP to install CoolFusion's IMS...but they didn't want to :(
>
> Thanks for any tips or general ideas on this.
>
> Will
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=- www.lukrative.com
> Local-Advertising -=- www.localbounty.com
>
>
>
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Re: pie chart

[Sean Renet]

heh, I haven't run those things in so long I just took a look and figured
out why I couldn't use the RefreshDataFromURL param.  The applet includes
the CF Server Debugging if you have it on so it was blowing it up.  So if
you use the code below, your monitor.cfm would look something like




APPLETTEST = QueryNew("Industry,Percent");

if(IsDefined("Industry")) {
 for(i = 1; i LTE listlen(Industry); i = i + 1) {
  QueryAddRow(APPLETTEST);
  QuerySetCell(APPLETTEST, "Industry", listgetat(industry,i));
  QuerySetCell(APPLETTEST, "Percent",  listgetat(Percent,i));
 }
}


 Columns:Items,Values


#Industry#,#Percent#

- Original Message -
From: "Sean Renet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 3:06 AM
Subject: Re: pie chart


> Well depending on your set up you need to add
> C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\classes\CFGraphs  to your CLASSPATH enviroment variable
> then just set up an applet like normal
>
> 
> 
>
>  HEIGHT="300" >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  VALUE="http://www.development.ws/testfolder/monitor.cfm">
> 
>
> NOTE: Java is CASE SENSITIVE so PieChart must be capital "P"  Capital "C".
>
>
> I don't think I ever got that RefreshDataFromURL parameter to work which
is
> why I went with cfxgraphicserver
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nick Betts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:09 AM
> Subject: RE: pie chart
>
>
> > How would one use these classes to display charts?
> > nik
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 28 February 2001 10:19
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: pie chart
> >
> >
> > its in C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\classes\CFGraphs  if your inetpub is on your c
> > drive.
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mak Wing Lok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: pie chart
> >
> >
> > > that's version 3.1, I'm using 4.5, i can't seems to find the Java
> classes
> > in
> > > the CF directory
> > >
> > > mak wl
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "David Shadovitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:57 PM
> > > Subject: RE: pie chart
> > >
> > >
> > > > CF comes with a pie chart Java applet.  Check out the CF 3.1
> > documentation
> > > on
> > > > the bar and pie chart "graphlets" at
> > > > http://telecom.fit.edu/cfdocs/user/ug20.htm.  (Thanks to Al Musella
> for
> > > tipping
> > > > me off to this.)
> > > >
> > > > -David
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, February 27, 2001 Sean Renet
> > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > www.cfxgraphicsserver.com
> > > >
> > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > From: "Mak Wing Lok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 4:38 PM
> > > > > Subject: pie chart
> > > > > >
> > > > > > anyone knows any nice and cool pie chart custom tags?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: pie chart

[Sean Renet]

Well depending on your set up you need to add
C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\classes\CFGraphs  to your CLASSPATH enviroment variable
then just set up an applet like normal



















http://www.development.ws/testfolder/monitor.cfm">


NOTE: Java is CASE SENSITIVE so PieChart must be capital "P"  Capital "C".


I don't think I ever got that RefreshDataFromURL parameter to work which is
why I went with cfxgraphicserver
- Original Message -
From: "Nick Betts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:09 AM
Subject: RE: pie chart


> How would one use these classes to display charts?
> nik
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 28 February 2001 10:19
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: pie chart
>
>
> its in C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\classes\CFGraphs  if your inetpub is on your c
> drive.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mak Wing Lok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:41 AM
> Subject: Re: pie chart
>
>
> > that's version 3.1, I'm using 4.5, i can't seems to find the Java
classes
> in
> > the CF directory
> >
> > mak wl
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "David Shadovitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:57 PM
> > Subject: RE: pie chart
> >
> >
> > > CF comes with a pie chart Java applet.  Check out the CF 3.1
> documentation
> > on
> > > the bar and pie chart "graphlets" at
> > > http://telecom.fit.edu/cfdocs/user/ug20.htm.  (Thanks to Al Musella
for
> > tipping
> > > me off to this.)
> > >
> > > -David
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, February 27, 2001 Sean Renet
> [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > wrote:
> > > > www.cfxgraphicsserver.com
> > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Mak Wing Lok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 4:38 PM
> > > > Subject: pie chart
> > > > >
> > > > > anyone knows any nice and cool pie chart custom tags?
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: pie chart

[Sean Renet]

its in C:\Inetpub\wwwroot\classes\CFGraphs  if your inetpub is on your c
drive.
- Original Message -
From: "Mak Wing Lok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: pie chart


> that's version 3.1, I'm using 4.5, i can't seems to find the Java classes
in
> the CF directory
>
> mak wl
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Shadovitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:57 PM
> Subject: RE: pie chart
>
>
> > CF comes with a pie chart Java applet.  Check out the CF 3.1
documentation
> on
> > the bar and pie chart "graphlets" at
> > http://telecom.fit.edu/cfdocs/user/ug20.htm.  (Thanks to Al Musella for
> tipping
> > me off to this.)
> >
> > -David
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 27, 2001 Sean Renet
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > wrote:
> > > www.cfxgraphicsserver.com
> >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Mak Wing Lok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 4:38 PM
> > > Subject: pie chart
> > > >
> > > > anyone knows any nice and cool pie chart custom tags?
> >
> >
>
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Re: pie chart

[Sean Renet]

www.cfxgraphicsserver.com
- Original Message -
From: "Mak Wing Lok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 4:38 PM
Subject: pie chart


> hi..
>
> anyone knows any nice and cool pie chart custom tags?
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Building Cold Fusion Search - Dynamic SQL

[Sean Renet]

Phillip, her original code works, she just needs to make the form's method
"post"
- Original Message -
From: "Philip Arnold - ASP" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 3:49 AM
Subject: RE: Building Cold Fusion Search - Dynamic SQL


> OK, I'm going to break this down bit by bit
>
> > I'm trying to build some sql statements based on selections from
> > a list box:
> >
> > 
> >  Skill1
> >  Skill2
> >  Skill3
> >  Skill4
> > (etcthis size will vary as it's dynamically populated)
> > 
> >
> > A user can do a multiple select, so let's say the user picked option 1
and
> > option 3.
>
> Is there a huge list of skills? If not, do it via Checkboxes as multiple
> selects really confuse people
>
> > On my action page, I want to pick ONLY the employees that have
> > the 2 skills selected.
> >
> > If I use an IN statement, I get employees with one skill or the
> > other, but I only want those with both:
> >
> >SELECT e.empId,es.skillId
> > from emp e,empSkills es
> > where skillId IN (#frmSkill#)
> > AND e.empId=es.empId
> >
> > How can I write the SQL to select only the employees with both,
> > or do I use Cold Fusion to do that?
>
> IN is effectively an OR, that's what it's there for... if you want to do
an
> AND it's going to be a lot more complicated
>
> I can't think of a quick way to do this in SQL, it might be a mixture of
CF
> and SQL (this code is ugly, but it'll work
>
> 
> select e.empId,es.skillId
> from emp e,empSkills es
> where skillId IN (#frmSkill#)
> AND e.empId=es.empId
> order by e.empId,es.skillId
> 
> 
> // Start with an array
> empArray=ArrayNew(1);
> // currently no person and skills
> thisEmp=0;
> thisEmpSkills="";
> // loop through the data
> for (i=1; i lte myQuery.RecordCount; i=i+1)
> {// if we're not building for the current employee, add the last
employee's
> stuff into the array
>  if (myQuery.empID[i] neq thisEmp)
>  {// If it's not blank
>   if (thisEmp neq 0)
>   {// build it in a structure as it's easier to get info out of
>tmpStruct=StructNew();
>tmpStruct.empID=thisEmp;
>tmpStruct.SkillList=thisEmpSkills;
>// add it to the array
>ArrayAppend(empArray,thisStruct);
>   }
>   // we're looking at "this" employee
>   thisEmp=myQuery.empID[i];
>   // start with blank skills
>   thisEmpSkills="";
>  }
>  // add the current skill to the list
>  thisEmpSkills=ListAppend(thisEmpSkills,myQuery.skillID[i]);
> }
> // Add the last person's entries to the array
> tmpStruct=StructNew();
> tmpStruct.empID=thisEmp;
> tmpStruct.SkillList=thisEmpSkills;
> ArrayAppend(empArray,thisStruct);
> 
>
> You'll now have an array of the employees with their skills - so loop
> through them and remove the ones who don't have all of the skills
>
> As I say, ugly, but it should work
>
> Philip Arnold
> Director
> Certified ColdFusion Developer
> ASP Multimedia Limited
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Re: Browsercall for opening html files on a CD

[Sean Renet]

Or this
http://www.avdf.com/oct98/art_ot005.html
- Original Message -
From: "Sean Renet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 1:49 AM
Subject: Browsercall for opening html files on a CD


> http://www.ashzfall.com/products/autorun/browsercall.html
>
>
>
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Browsercall for opening html files on a CD

[Sean Renet]

http://www.ashzfall.com/products/autorun/browsercall.html


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Re: gettting form.variables using pure html?

[Sean Renet]

you mean something like this?

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Some subject"
method="post">





Both browsers will fire off a warning, and the form fields will be name
value pairs sent as an attachment to the email.

Like this...
name=John+Doe&age=21&submit=Submit+Query

You could also href it or javascript the same...

 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Some subject&body=this
is the body of this email">Sean Renet

- Original Message -
From: "han peng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 12:01 AM
Subject: gettting form.variables using pure html?


> hi..
>  juz to confirm my thoughts...
>
> is there any way we can pass variables of a form to another page and
display the variables.. using pure html??
>
> my friend thinking of doing a simple homepage at those free hosting site.
> Hes thinking of having a form that can send email directly w/o using the
mail program. i know we can do this w/ CF... but can this be done using pure
html.. or maybe w/ javascript?
>
> cheers
> han
>
>
>
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Re: Building Cold Fusion Search - Dynamic SQL

[Sean Renet]

Hmmm, are you trimming the variables in the IN statement?  Is skillId set to
CHAR or VARCHAR?  If its CHAR you should check to make sure the values
themselves in the database don't have extra spaces.

If that's all correct, make sure your form's method is "post" and not "get".

That is,



- Original Message -
From: "Kim Mayhall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:23 AM
Subject: Building Cold Fusion Search - Dynamic SQL


> I'm trying to build some sql statements based on selections from a list
box:
>
> 
>  Skill1
>  Skill2
>  Skill3
>  Skill4
> (etcthis size will vary as it's dynamically populated)
> 
>
> A user can do a multiple select, so let's say the user picked option 1 and
> option 3.
>
> On my action page, I want to pick ONLY the employees that have the 2
skills
> selected.
>
> If I use an IN statement, I get employees with one skill or the other, but
I
> only want those with both:
>
>SELECT e.empId,es.skillId
> from emp e,empSkills es
> where skillId IN (#frmSkill#)
> AND e.empId=es.empId
>
> How can I write the SQL to select only the employees with both, or do I
use
> Cold Fusion to do that?
>
> Kim Mayhall
> The Garrigan Lyman Group
> http://www.glg.com 
> (206) 223-5548
>
>
>
>
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Re: Text disappears!

[Sean Renet]

just a guess, but your comments are using 2 dashes  CF templates
give you some really cool funky ass results when you do not make them with 3
.

Exactly what text disappears.
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From: "Jeff Epstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 1:55 PM
Subject: Text disappears!


> sighCan anyone help me figure out why my text is disappearing in some
> configurations? Is this a CF issue?
>
> It's www.sfcg.org using   CF4.5 / ISS /
> NT on a SQL Server 7.0 DB, with text formatted on CSS1.
>
> Have heard the complaint on IE5 Mac and NS6 Mac.  IE and NS on Windows are
> good.  Any diagnostic help greatly appreciated. Very frustrating.
>
> Jeff Epstein
> Web Producer
> Search for Common Ground
> 1601 Connecticut Avenue, NW
> Suite 200
> Washington, DC  20009  USA
> +1 (202) 265-4300
> +1 (202) 777-2238 (direct)
> +1 (202) 232-6718 (fax)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.sfcg.org 
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: WDVL Poll

[Sean Renet]

I'd be interested to see who they polled.  Considering they do not have any
CF resourses and thier Java resources are rudimentary, I think this is more
of a window into thier marketing ability.

If you poll my house, people here think
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From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:09 AM
Subject: WDVL Poll


> Maybe more CF developers should become WDVL users - CF ranks only slightly
> above CGI - sheesh...
>
> http://wdvl.internet.com/poll.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Howie Hamlin - inFusion Project Manager
> On-Line Data Solutions, Inc.
> www.CoolFusion.com
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>
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Re: WOT: Serving to the web using W2K, IIS and DSL

[Sean Renet]

hmmm never set up apache on W98, but if you have a DSL connection you can
serve by just using Personal Web Server.  She has a static IP address
though, I am guessing FreeDsl is dynamic. So my guess is that you would have
to configure Apache to use whatever dynamic IP FreeDsl assigns you.  You can
figure that out by going to the command prompt and typing IPCONFIG

- Original Message -
From: "PEREZ, RICHARD RINGO (SBCSI)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 12:12 PM
Subject: RE: WOT: Serving to the web using W2K, IIS and DSL


> Can you please help on how am i going to open up my Freedsl so that i can
> see my or work on my pc at home even if im on the office. I did have an
> Apache server at home running with that freedsl and i can easily figure
out
> what my IP address is but when i tried even looking at it i can't get in.
My
> OS is Win98. Can somebody help me on how to proceed on this?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: C Frederic Valone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 8:02 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: WOT: Serving to the web using W2K, IIS and DSL
>
>
> I have a ADSL (runs faster downstream than up) and have no trouble hosting
> web sites off of this setup.
>
> Jeffry Houser wrote:
> >
> >It depends upon the terms and conditions of her agreement with the
DSL
> > company.
> >
> >To host something, all you need is an internet connection.  You can
do
> > it on a dial-up (although you won't get very good performance).  All
cable
> > modem agreements I've seen forbid using the cable modem to host a
> > server.  DSL?  Have her check her agreement.  It would depend upon
whether
> > you have Asynchronous DSL or Synchronous DSL.  (One has the same speed
> both
> > ways, one is faster at downloading than sending, I forget which is
> > which).  I imagine same speed both ways would allow it, but one-way
speed
> > would not.  Of course, that all depends on the agreement.
> >
> > At 05:53 AM 02/26/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Sorry for the off-topic post.
> > >
> > >I have a co-worker halfway across the nation who is building some GIS
> > >applications using ARC IMS.  She's running a W2K machine, IIS and has a
> DSL
> > >connection to the web.  Can she serve her own applications to the web
so
> the
> > >rest of the team can see what she's doing?
> > >
> > >A point in the right direction would be much appreciated!
> > >
> > >Erika Foster
> > >engineering-environmental Management
> > >Applications Developer
> > >(505) 866-1654
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: WOT: Serving to the web using W2K, IIS and DSL

[Sean Renet]

one of my development boxes is set up this way.  She is going to need
atleast 2 static IP addresses and 2 nic cards if she wants to do the domain
name resolving herself.  If domain name resolution is not an issue, and her
ISP gives her dynamic IP addresses, then she will have to go to the command
prompt and type IP config so she knows what IP address her ISP has given her
for that session.  This of course would be the IP address you would need to
type into your browser to find her box.


- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: WOT: Serving to the web using W2K, IIS and DSL


> In most cases if the serving of the website is not for commercial, but
> personal reasons as in the case of letting other team members see the
work,
> it should be no problem.  The only issues would be rather she has a static
> or dynamic IP Address as configurations will have to be change according
to
> what the IP is at the time of boot.  Find out about static or dynamic and
I
> can help form there.
>
> Robert
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jeffry Houser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: WOT: Serving to the web using W2K, IIS and DSL
>
>
> >
> >It depends upon the terms and conditions of her agreement with the
DSL
> > company.
> >
> >To host something, all you need is an internet connection.  You can
do
> > it on a dial-up (although you won't get very good performance).  All
cable
> > modem agreements I've seen forbid using the cable modem to host a
> > server.  DSL?  Have her check her agreement.  It would depend upon
whether
> > you have Asynchronous DSL or Synchronous DSL.  (One has the same speed
> both
> > ways, one is faster at downloading than sending, I forget which is
> > which).  I imagine same speed both ways would allow it, but one-way
speed
> > would not.  Of course, that all depends on the agreement.
> >
> >
> > At 05:53 AM 02/26/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Sorry for the off-topic post.
> > >
> > >I have a co-worker halfway across the nation who is building some GIS
> > >applications using ARC IMS.  She's running a W2K machine, IIS and has a
> DSL
> > >connection to the web.  Can she serve her own applications to the web
so
> the
> > >rest of the team can see what she's doing?
> > >
> > >A point in the right direction would be much appreciated!
> > >
> > >Erika Foster
> > >engineering-environmental Management
> > >Applications Developer
> > >(505) 866-1654
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: why is only part of my https:// connection secure?

[Sean Renet]

Are you using frames?  The people at signio told me that the certificate
checks the container.  When I set all of the frames on a given page to
https:  I got rid of the that sort of error also.
- Original Message -
From: "cf kaizen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 9:32 AM
Subject: why is only part of my https:// connection secure?


> I've got a link to my secure protocol
> page(https://www.mysite.com/index.cfm?confNumber=12345),
> and when I access it, most browsers indicate that only
> part of the page is secure. Why is that? It's a
> Fusebox app and I've got a bunch of cfincludes being
> called from different folders in the app, but that
> shouldn't have this effect, should it? There are no
> cflocations, or anything of that sort. Any insight you
> can give would be very much appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
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Re: Online CC processing

[Sean Renet]

I generally use paymentnet (http://www.signio.com), they have a nice little
cf tag that works fine.

- Original Message -
From: "Chad Gray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:01 PM
Subject: Online CC processing


> Any suggestions on a on-line CC processing for a CF shopping basket
system?
>
> Is CyberCash using the custom tag CFX_ONCR_CYBERCASH still a good
solution?
>
> Thanks,
> Chad
>
>
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Re: ParseDog

[Sean Renet]

You guys all need to relax.  Look at all the energy you guys are putting
into spewing derision when all you had to do was delete it in the first
place.  I have been on this list for about 2 years and people post tools all
the time some free some not.  Like any other thread, if it doesn't concern
you delete it.  And whoever the "this is not the fusebox list" guy is, this
is cf_talk, fusebox is a subset of that discussion and wherein it does have
its own list, not every knows about it so ease up.

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Re: PDF generation

[Sean Renet]

I am with Simon, I have kicked the chit out of activepdf and for batch I
have had no problems.  Also, it is great for on the fly generation and easy
to program (here is where thier cf examples are...
http://www.activepdf.com/examples.asp?ID=CF0006).  Their support is great.
Just call the sales number on thier website and ask to speak to Tim.  He can
pretty much walk you through any programming questions.

Sean Renet.

www.activepdf.com
- Original Message -
From: "Caulfield, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: PDF generation


>
> http://www.ininet.com/home/cfsouth.zip
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen M Aylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:35 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: PDF generation
>
>
> Search on the site results in NIL under Adobe / PDF / CFSOUTH ... tho I
did
> find a pr on the CfSouth Presentation
>
> Steve
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Caulfield, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:50 AM
> Subject: RE: PDF generation
>
>
> > If you go to www.ininet.com there should be some presentation materials
> (and
> > sample code) on this topic from a presentation Neil Giarratana gave at
> > CFSOUTH.
> >
> > I haven't tried it, so I can't comment on the robustness of it, but
> glancing
> > through the powerpoints it looked pretty slick.
> >
> > Michael Caulfield
> > Cognitive Arts
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Billy Cravens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:32 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: OT: PDF generation
> >
> >
> > I have the task of finding a solution for generating volumes of PDF's.
> > Pretty typical: pull info from db, build a pdf, and save it to disk.
> > However, we're talking about 10,000 pdf's at once.  Anyone have any
> > ideas on what would be the most robust solution?
> >
> > --
> > Billy Cravens
> > HR Web Development, Sabre
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
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Re: Hosting Server Problems!

[Sean Renet]

Nick I know hostro leases those.  Their support sucks, but they seem to be
up more than most
- Original Message -
From: "Nick Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: Hosting Server Problems!


> J.J.,
>
> Thanks for the feedback and you confirm my suspicions. There is one other
> issue that I
> didn't mention in the original post. There are times when the host server
> serves of garbage,
> including text and garbage that doesn't exist on any of my Web sites. That
> is typical for
> overloaded systems.
>
> I should extend my question to ask if anyone knows where you can rent or
> lease a dedicated
> server that comes with CF, FTP and email installed.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> >Nick,
> >
> >I have found that I get this error  message quite frequently when working
> >with some of my clients that are on a shared environment, especially with
> >interland.net out of Atlanta. I have also found the same thing with the
> >frequent time outs. Since I have not gotten this error on any of the
servers
> >that I run I have not been able to diagnose it properly and all I ever
get
> >from tech support is a simple "oh it just crashed"
> >
> >What I am thinking that it is is that they are putting S many
websites
> >on one server and thinking that CF can handle the load of 1000 websites
with
> >only allotting something like 512 megs of ram on a server. ColdFusion
runs
> >under great when it is given a little breathing room, and these shared
> >environments just don't give it what it quite needs.
> >
> >
> >
> >J.J. M
> >Nashville, TN
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Nick Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 11:37 PM
> >Subject: Hosting Server Problems!
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I apologize if this is not the proper place for this posting. I am not
> > > sure, but would like to know, if these are CF related?
> > >
> > > There are 2 problems.
> > >
> > > 1. The following error
> > >
> > > Error Occurred While Processing Request
> > > Error Diagnostic Information
> > > ODBC Error Code = ()
> > > Unable to instantiate environment for 'ODBC.'
> > >
> > > One of my host Shanje indicated this is a problem with the CF Engine
and
> > > that Allaire is aware of the problem and Allaire has been attempting
to
> > > solve the problem since last May. I saw some msg traffic regarding
this
> > > problem posted on the Allaire site. The last posting was several weeks
> >ago.
> > > Has this been fixed?
> > >
> > > I am not aware of this problem occurring with the other host I use,
> > > Intermedia.net. However, in fairness less technically oriented
customers
> > > use the 3 sites on Intermedia.net and most of them would be totally
> > > bewildered and might just run from a Web site that said "Unable to
> > > instantiate environment for 'ODBC.'"
> > >
> > > 2. There are long periods (30 minutes plus) when the web sites on the
> > > Shanje.com servers are totally unresponsive, i.e., time out. Going to
> > > www.shanje.com is instantaneous. During the period while a Web site is
in
> > > the process of timing out, on another browser I can run a tracert to
all 4
> > > Shanje Web sites and the traces all look good, taking a couple of
seconds
> >each.
> > >
> > > Shanje seems to imply this is a CF engine or coding problem. Some of
the
> > > pages that time out have no time consuming functions, have been in use
> > > unaltered for a long time. So that would only leave a problem with the
CF
> > > engine. I am having a hard time accepting that CF could survive wide
> >spread
> > > usage with these kinds of server lockups. Of course these are shared
> > > servers at Shanje.com.
> > >
> > > I couldn't uncover anything in the Allaire knowledge base on issue 2
> >above.
> > > Has anyone else seen this sort of thing?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: why use 3rd dimensional array???

[Sean Renet]

LOL
- Original Message -
From: "Phoeun Pha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: why use 3rd dimensional array???


> well yeah i can see how it can be used for math stuff.  but i mean like a
> real situation
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 1:17 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: why use 3rd dimensional array???
>
>
> to hold 3 dimensional data. sorry.
>
> Simple example. some kind of cubic sample. like say air temperature in a
> room for each specific cubic foot. The index is h,w,l and the value
> corresponds to the appropriate cube in the room.
>
> I can get a better, more practival example if you like.
>
> E
>
> From: Phoeun Pha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: why use 3rd dimensional array???
> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:35:38 -0600
>
> how would one use a third dimensional array?  it's hard for me to
> conceptualize a practical use for it!
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Re: SQL trouble

[Sean Renet]

Dave's right, you need a join to tblModel.  Generally when you return some
incredible amount of rows that you are not expecting from a query that is
joining tables its because you are missing a join or two.

One thing you might consider is using a View for this. Then all you would
have to do is send preID into the view to get what you need. Views are
cached virtual tables, they allow for abstraction, but they are really
convenient when it comes to programming in that you can do this big work
horse query of yours as a view database side and then your code would be a
simple

SELECT WHATEVER
FROM V_CARS
WHERE preID IN (#preID# )

This way if you ever change the logic of your tables, you only have to
change the view and not the live code.  I hate to type, so the less I do,
the better is how I figure it.

 If you ever program in java, think of a view as a class that has
incapsulated data and your little query above as one of its methods.  You
can do whatever you want to the tables as long as the things you want to
query remain the same.

On the abstraction side of things, if someone ever sees your code thru one
of those .htr or ::data things they can DELETE * from V_CARS all they want
and they go hungry a bow bow bow.

At the rate business logic seems to change on the web, this kind of stuff
makes programming the client tier a lot easier.



- Original Message -
From: "David Baskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 1:27 PM
Subject: SQL trouble


> Hello all, i'm having trouble with a query and i was hoping someone could
> help me find the solution to my problem. I run a query to get the ids of
the
> objects a customer has stored. in this case it's two ids. then i run
another
> query that gets all the details of these items and displays it. i run the
> following query to get the details:
>
> 
> SELECT p.Year
> , p.Series
> , p.stockNum
> // more and more columns...
> FROM tblPreOwned p, tblMake m, tblWarranty w, tblModel mo
> WHERE p.vehicleMakeID = m.makeID AND p.warrantyID = w.wID  AND (preID=0 OR
> 
> p.preID=#preID# OR
> 
> p.preID = 00)
> 
>
> what happens though is that i end up getting back over 1300 records for
the
> details query. it returns the same two objects over and over again. i'm
not
> sure why this is happening and unfortunately my SQL skills are not the
best.
> If anyone can tell me how to better structure this query to return the
> proper results i would greatly appreciate it. TIA.
>
> david
>
>
>
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Re: Database site

[Sean Renet]

you mean Adam Churvis' commerce blocks?
www.commerceblocks.com

or maybe DbArtisan?
http://www.embarcadero.com/products/administer/administer.htm

- Original Message -
From: "Robert Everland III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 6:02 PM
Subject: Database site


> Someone listed a good database developer site here a little bit ago and I
> can't find it in the archives.
>
>
> Bob Everland
>
>
>
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Re: New to CF and Fusebox

[Sean Renet]

download the docs from fusebox.orb, if you follow the code that generate the
docs as you read them it kind of works like a tutorial.  Of course you could
also get on the fusebox list.  you can do that by going to house of fusion
and signing up for it there like you did this list.
- Original Message -
From: "Jeff Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:50 PM
Subject: New to CF and Fusebox


> I've been coding CF for about 2 weeks. I've visited several websites
including fusebox.org but I think I am still missing something. I grasp the
concept but how to implement it in practice is still hazy. Can anyone
recommend a good step by step tutorial online? Thanks.
>
>
> Jeff Davis
>
>
>
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Re: CF Site: Deerfield.com

[Sean Renet]

well the most inportant site of all seems to be using cf.

http://www2.victoriassecret.com/catalogue/view/dsp_spread.cfm?window=BD&page
=p2p3



- Original Message -
From: "W Luke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: CF Site: Deerfield.com


> Also QXL's fairly new "Live" auction site:
>
> http://www.qxllive.com
>
> Will
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=- www.lukrative.com
> Classifieds -=- SixthSense on DVD for Free
> @ www.localbounty.com/sixthsense/
> - Original Message -
> From: ""stas"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Newsgroups: dotcom.lists.cftalk
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: CF Site: Deerfield.com
>
>
> > Also:
> >
> >  http://www.palmgear.com/
> > http://www.logitech.com
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Martin Sutton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> > > I just noticed that deerfield use CF.  This is quite an important site
> > imho.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: Netscape error whilst IE is fine

[Sean Renet]

there are a couple problems. first you need ending tags for you table and
tr's and td's, then you need to urlencode that link.

that is:


Please http://www.accommodationnewzealand.com/nzl/mkt/creditcardform.cfm?busi
nessname=#urlencodedformat('Shalimares')#&address1=#urlencodedformat('9
Shalimar
Crescent')#&suburb=#urlencodedformat('Khandallah')#&island=#urlencodedformat
('North Island')#&postcode=&telephonenumber=#urlencodedformat('64 4 479
1776')#&faxnumber=#urlencodedformat('64 4 479
1786')#&[EMAIL PROTECTED]&mop=cc" target='_new'>Click
Here


of course it would be much easier for you to make a tag that does this for
stuff coming out of your queries, form fields being submitted etc, rather
than doing what I just did to that link.  That way variables going into your
link would already be urlencoded.


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Re: Allaire on a Mac?

[Sean Renet]

I think this would explain some problems I am having with flash and the mac.
On a pc loading variables into a flash movie is a simple process.  However
for Netscape on a mac I seem to have to set a cookie and read it instead of
loading directly from a CF template and I have yet to find a way to get IE
on a mac to load variables.  Anyone know if I am just doing this wrong?

FRAME 1
ACTIONSCRIPT:
eof = "0";
loadVariablesNum ("act_cftoken.cfm", 0, "POST");
gotoAndPlay ("Scene 1", "check");

FRAME 2 ("check")
if (eof=1) {
ifFrameLoaded (6) {
  gotoAndStop ("Scene 1", 6);
 }
} else if (eof=2) {
 gotoAndStop ("Scene 1", "doh");
} else {
 gotoAndPlay ("check");
}


So basically what I am doing here is in the first frame I am loading the
variables from act_cftoken.cfm below which is basically just cfid and
cftoken. I use the variable eof just to tell me that everything else in the
string was read.  Originally act_cftoken.cfm looked like this:





cfid=#trim(cfid)#&cftoken=#trim(cftoken)#&eof=1

but for some reason the same code that worked on a PC wouldn't work on a
mac, so I added setclientcookies to my cfapplication tag in app_gobals.cfm
and added a check for the cookie's variables of cfid and cftoken in my
act_cftoken.cfm

---act_cftoken.cfm---







cfid=#trim(cookie.cfid)#&cftoken=#trim(cookie
..cftoken)#&eof=1


cfid=#trim(client.cfid)#&cftoken=#trim(client
..cftoken)#&eof=1

eof=2


I decided to first look for a cookie since the MAC browsers didn't seem to
appreciate my client variables much.  So now on the PC (both browsers) and
MAC Netscape (cookies enabled) flash loads the variables.  And if cookies
were not enabled then I would check for client variables at least for PC
browsers where cookies were not enabled.  This works fine on PC (both
browsers) and MAC Netscape as if the cookies are not enabled on MAC Netscape
I send them to FRAME 3 ("doh") which basically tells them they need to have
their cookies enabled.  That is if both of the checks for cfid fail I load
eof set to 2 which in the action script above sends them to FRAME 3. At the
end of the day, this works fine for everything except MAC IE.  I finally
gave up and decided to browser check for MAC IE and send them to an DHTML
version if that is what they were using.

Anyone else run into this problem?  Are flash's native binaries creating the
problem or am I just doing this ass backwards?


- Original Message -
From: "Dave Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: Allaire on a Mac?


> > You can't run generator on a mac? isn't that built on JRUN?
> > What happened to "write once run anywhere"?
>
> Generator 2 uses JRun 2 for online generation, but uses native binaries
for
> other things such as offline generation, if I recall correctly.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> voice: (202) 797-5496
> fax: (202) 797-5444
>


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Re: Allaire on a Mac?

[Sean Renet]

You can't run generator on a mac? isn't that built on JRUN?  What happened
to "write once run anywhere"?
- Original Message -
From: "Patricia Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 6:55 AM
Subject: RE: Allaire on a Mac?


> I doubt it.  Generator Server doesn't work on a Mac, and THAT's a
Macromedia
> product.  Besides, extending CF to a Mac Platform just seems WAY out in
left
> field to me (and I *like* macs).  And when I say left field... I mean on
> Mars.
>
> Maybe, possibly in the future if the OSX becomes the main mac platform and
> they can really starte treating the Mac OS more like a *nix platform.  ***
> Maybe *** ... and still I'd say not for a few years even then.
>
> |-Original Message-
> |From: Randy Zeitman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> |Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:58 AM
> |To: CF-Talk
> |Subject: Allaire on a Mac?
> |
> |
> |Anyone have any insight as to whether Allaire's apps will soon run on
> |Macintosh as a result of the merger with Macromedia?
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Re: Macromedia to Merge with Allaire, $360 Million Deal

[Sean Renet]

like we didn't see this coming
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 2:57 PM
Subject: Macromedia to Merge with Allaire, $360 Million Deal


>
>
> Macromedia to Merge with Allaire, $360 Million Deal
>
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010116/wr/tech_macromedia_dc_1.html
>
>
>
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CF STUDIO 4.5.2

[Sean Renet]

Is it just me or does this new version of 4.5 actually work?  Anyone find
any bugs yet?


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Re: WAY OT: C++ now Java

[Sean Renet]

Personally, I used the CORE Java books from Sun.  If you start with Core
Java Fundamentals and then move onto Core Servlets and JSP and then the EJB
book its an natural progression.  Something else which is helpful is that
awesome JRUN book... let me find it... Developing Applications with JRUN by
Allaire.  I thought this was just going to be an operation manual, turns out
its a step by step java tutorial/JRUN operation manual.  Explains basic
servlets, EJB's and you learn a bit of JSP on the way.  I got mine from a
JRUN Seminar, but I think the CFUG groups should get a bunch from Allaire
and distribute them as they are excellent reading.
- Original Message -
From: "JustinMacCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: WAY OT: C++ now Java


> I think the the OReilly books are great for reference, the wrox books
> Starting Java  and Java Server programming are good for beginners (no C
> needed :-) ) to intermediate levels Also the java.sun.com site is really
> good too.
>
> The hardest concepts for CF moving to Java ,I think, is the stronger
typing
> and the OO design of Java, and possibly I idea of 'compiling' an app :-)
>
> BTW CFStudio has syntax coloring for Java
>
> You should learn C++ too, it's good fun..(pointers are your friend ;-) )
>
> Justin MacCarthy
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 4:28 PM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: WAY OT: C++ now Java
> >
> >
> > Ok then where are some good beginning java starters?
> >
> >Robert Everland III
> >Web Developer
> >Dixon Ticonderoga
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Peter Theobald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 10:59 AM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: RE: [RE: WAY OT: C++]
> >
> >
> >They are similar, but definitely not the same.
> >Java implements "Object Oriented Programming" in a very clean way.
> >C++ has a lot of idiosyncrasies in order to blend compatibility with C, a
> >very low level language with access to the bits and pointers directly
into
> >memory, with Object Oriented Programming "slapped on" top. When you
program
> >in C++ it is very easy to mix the new OO features with the old C features
> >and get into lots of trouble.
> >
> >I don't recommend learning C++ as your first programming language.
> >I would recommend learning Java first.
> >Then you could later move to C++ and be a very "clean" C++ programmer
> >because you wouldn't have all the bad habits from the "low level"
> >programming getting in the way.
> >
> >At 10:43 AM 12/20/00 -0500, Robert Everland wrote:
> >>Well I figured if I learned C++ which is harder Java would be a snap
since
> >>they are pretty much the same language just a little more dumbed down.
> >>
> >>Robert Everland III
> >>Web Developer
> >>Dixon Ticonderoga
> >>
> >>
> >>-Original Message-
> >>From: Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 9:40 AM
> >>To: CF-Talk
> >>Subject: Re: [RE: WAY OT: C++]
> >>
> >>
> >>learn java instead. its easier and "hotter". also if you already know
how
> >to
> >>program then learning a new language isn't that hard.
> >>also there is a huge difference between C and C++ (most unix apps are
> >>written
> >>in C).
> >>
> >>"JustinMacCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>The best place to start is a simple console Hello World example!!
> >>
> >>The complicating factor in C/C++ is that there are a lot of different
> >>"Toolkits" to learn for different Platforms
> >>(MFC-Windows,Gtk-Gnome,ncurses;ptreads-Unix,QT-Kde etc...) mostly for
GUI
> >>development, so it depends on what you want to do..
> >>
> >>
> >>I think the best book on C++ is the OReilly Book C++
> >>http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/cplus/ it assumes no programming
> >experience,
> >>and you don't need to get a "C" book first...
> >>
> >>You can get free C compilers for windows here
> >>http://www.thefreecountry.com/developercity/cc.html
> >>
> >>*nix has a cc & gcc etc. as standard.
> >>
> >>Also check out
> >>http://cplus.about.com
> >>
> >>and of course min's site for CFX examples :-)  (www.intrafoundation.com)
> >>
> >>
> >>It's a bit of a jump from CF , but after learning C++ you should
> >be able to
> >>master any language , Java CF Perl php, and JavaScript will all "make
more
> >>sense"
> >>
> >>
> >>Justin MacCarthy
> >>
> >>
> >>>-Original Message-
> >>>From: lsellers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 6:52 AM
> >>>To: CF-Talk
> >>>Subject: RE: WAY OT: C++
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>   Well I have been messing with cf for a year now and figure
>  it's time to
>  seriously broaden my horizon and try to learn the granddaddy of all
>  languages (excluding B and all those ones which aren't highly used).
> >Does
>  anyone know of a good website that has some good learning
> >>>examples. Thanks
>  for any help.
> >>>
> >>

Re: dynamically naming variables

[Sean Renet]

by this do you mean.






- Original Message -
From: "Jay Brushett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 7:54 AM
Subject: dynamically naming variables


>
> Hi,
>
> I need to use the Evaluate function to dynamically name variables in a
> .
> Using the function on the right hand side of a cfset works fine of course
> but CF won't let me use it on the left hand side (i.e. the variable name).
>
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>
> TIA,
>
> Jay
> < > < > < > < > < Strategy ~ Creativity ~ Technology > < > < > < > < > < >
>
> Jay Brushett
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Developer
>
> < ZeddComm Inc. >
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>
>
>
>
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Re: PDF Generator

[Sean Renet]

activepdf at www.activepdf.com just rocks.  I can supply you with code if
you need it.  The activepdf toolkit is what I use I think its like $400 US.
Also thier support is unreal, call the sales office and speak to Tim.
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From: "Stephen Engels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 8:46 AM
Subject: PDF Generator


> I am having problems with my pdf generator for cold fusion. Does anyone
know of an unbreakable Html to PDF generator?
> Steve Engels
>
>
> Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping!
> http://www.shopping.altavista.com
>
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Re: check with an OR

[Sean Renet]

well in the case you gave, it would be


but if yer gonna add a bunch of  ip addresses you might want to consider
using CFSWITCH instead.



do this


do something else...


you go hungry a bow bow bow...



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From: "Robert Orlini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 9:05 AM
Subject: check with an OR


> Hello,
>
> I have a CFIF statement that checks for certain IP addresses then emails
> appropriate parties:
> 
> 
>
>  To="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> Subject="Oracle Connection with Home Page">
> The Oracle Connection with Home Page server has unexpectedly gone down.
> 
>
> 
> 
> QUESTION: How can I add additional IP addresses using an OR statement to
the
> above?
> I tried  but it
> only sees the 1st IP.
>
> It seems it should be simple, but...
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Robert O.
>
>
>
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Re: Undo Delete

[Sean Renet]

So I have a dba question. What is the difference between using a view
instead of a stored procedure.  Now I am well aware that you cannot make
views as complex as sp's.  I am actually wondering what the performance or
otherwise difference between making a stored procedure which is implemented
like a view.  Don't they both cache the record set similarly?  Why would you
use a view instead of a sp.

For instance, if you have a view that is

CREATE VIEW MYVIEW
AS
SELECT *
FROM SOMETABLE, SOMEOTHERTABLE
WHERE SOMETABLE.SOMETABLE_ID = SOMEOTHERTABLE.SOMETABLE_ID
AND SOMEOTHERTABLE.APPROVE = 1

and yer CF CODE IS

SELECT [NAME]
FROM MYVIEW
WHERE [NAME] LIKE 'SEAN%'

It would seem that the above would be faster than sending the [name]
parameter into an SP because the virtual table is already cached.  However,
what is the difference between the above and having a stored procedure that
generates the same record set, then scripting via wddx or otherwise the
"slice" in the above CFQUERY?  Isn't it less expensive to have the whole
record client-side and scripting the slice rather than hitting the database
everytime you want a different slice?  I have implemented this both ways and
I suppose my data has not been big enough to notice a difference either way.
However, I am about to empark on a huge project that any performance corners
I can cut are going to make a great deal of difference as the data is going
to be enormous.

- Original Message -
From: "Dave Watts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 7:46 PM
Subject: RE: Undo Delete


> > > > Here's another use for flagging records: Our db tables which
> > > > contain scientific data contain an "approved" field, whose
> > > > default value is "false". After data is inserted into the
> > > > database, an analyst checks it out, and then we toggle the
> > > > flag to "true". Of course, our non-admin canned queries all
> > > > include "WHERE approved = true".
> > >
> > > This is a good place to use views. You can create views for
> > > these tables using this WHERE clause, and allow end users to
> > > run whatever queries they want.
> >
> > Views???
>
> Views are "virtual tables". You can create a view with an SQL statement
that
> selects the slice of data that you want. That view can then be treated, in
> most respects, as if it were a table.
>
> CREATE VIEW ApprovedOnly AS
>
> SELECT abunchoffields
> FROM mytable
> WHERE  approved = 1
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> voice: (202) 797-5496
> fax: (202) 797-5444
>
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Re: CFFTP -- INVALID PORT COMMAND

[Sean Renet]

Were their any "work arounds" noted?  What's odd is that the code runs fine
on our development boxes which incidently are behind firewalls, but does not
work on the public production box.  Both production and development are on
W2K servers using CF 4.5 SP2  and I cannot for the life of me figure out
what the difference between the 2 are that allows it to work on the
development servers but not on the production ones.
- Original Message -
From: "John McKown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 7:07 AM
Subject: RE: CFFTP -- INVALID PORT COMMAND


> There is a thread on the Allaire Forums on the "Invalid Port Command"
error
> where Allaire claims it is a bug and will not be fixed until Version 5.0.
>
> John McKown, VP Business Services
> Delaware.Net, Inc.
> 30 Old Rudnick Lane, Suite 200 Dover, DE 19901
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> phone: 302-736-5515
> fax: 302-736-5945
> icq: 1495432
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: James McCullough [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 1:53 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: CFFTP -- INVALID PORT COMMAND
> >
> >
> > The only time I got this was when connecting to a Linux box and FTP had
> > terminated. Restarting the FTP on the Linux box fixed it.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 5:12 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: CFFTP -- INVALID PORT COMMAND
> >
> >
> > nope thought that might have been it, but I took the firewall
> > down and tried
> > and still got the error
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "JustinMacCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 6:42 AM
> > Subject: RE: CFFTP -- INVALID PORT COMMAND
> >
> >
> > > Firewall issue ??
> > >
> > > ~Justin
> > >
> > > >-Original Message-
> > > >From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 12:17 PM
> > > >To: CF-Talk
> > > >Subject: CFFTP -- INVALID PORT COMMAND
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Anyone ever see this error in your CFCATCH stuff using CFFTP?
> > > >
> > > >UNKNOWN
> > > >500 Invalid PORT Command.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: Fusebox

[Sean Renet]

Hmm well there isn't really a whole point to fusebox per say.  The point
really is to have a architecture methodology.  Fusebox attempts to
standardize a methodology.  This standard however doesn't work for everyone.
For instance, if you work at Figleaf I would imagine when you walk in the
door you get the "This is our methodology" handbook.  That would be the
standard for project architecture in that company.  Now the stuff that comes
out of Figleaf is just beyond compare, so I would say that whatever thier
methods are, they most likely don't need or want a new one.  But what does
someone do if they are subcontracting work or just starting a development
company and have no methodology?  Well, you are going to have to develop
some architecture rules that everyone adhears to.  Fusebox attempts to offer
a solution to such by standardizing a methodology.

For me personally fusebox works quite well.  I am a project magnet.  I go
weeks without answering my phone because I just cannot handle the load.
Well quite honestly, I have been wrapping up two major projects so I haven't
been answering the phone in a few months.  However when I am, the work just
streams in.  What fusebox allows me to do is subcontract that work very
easily.  I can subcontract work to people I have never met or worked with,
by simply delivering them a scope document.  That the work is done in
fusebox, there are no misunderstandings as to what I will accept as
architecure and each developer can build thier module or piece of the
project independently and when they are finished those modules can just be
"plugged in" to each other. And so far as "most don't use fusebox" is
concerned, I have never had a problem finding good developers that can
program using fusebox's standards.

Fusebox is far from complex.  It makes programs easy to read by other
developers that use the same methodology because you do not need to follow
spaghetti-like threads to figure out what the programmer before you was
doing or how they did it.  You simply look at the main index page and see
what fuseactions are attributed to which modules.  Each module has its own
index page which directs traffic in its subapplication.  So, if you are
fixing or modifying a message board you can easily figure out which
templates are associated and what function those templates provide by simply
looking at the index page.  I find when I am hired to modify or fix
pre-existing applications few clients have documentation for those
applications and by and large, those applications are not well commented.
For the client this means that a great deal of billable time is spent just
figuring out how the application functions.  Recently I was hired to modify
a website built in fusebox.  I have no idea who the previous developer was
and the client's dog ate the documentation.  However, it took less than an
hour to figure out the application and less than a day to re-document it.
Wherein the application was in its self complex the modifications were
easily implemented as they were simply plugged in rather than redesigning
spaghetti like business logic.

Now, if you are not used to programming in fusebox, these principles may not
be as appearant to you or to someone who does not use the methodology.
Conversely, you may have a pre-existing methodology that just rocks and to
you and your team it is very easily implemented, however that I do not use
your methodology simple principles in your design may not be as appearant to
me as I am not familiar with it.


I am not sure what 10-15% extra work you are talking about, I find fusebox
actually saves me time.  Fusebox as a methodology leans heavily on code or
module reuse.  With the exception maybe of UI, each new project is made up
of pre-existing modules that are just plugged in.  Its kind of like building
an an EJB which acts as your standard shopping cart.  Everytime you have a
client that needs a shopping cart you don't rebuild the thing over and over,
you just plug yer EJB in.  Fusebox is pretty much the same principle.  Most
of my small to mid-size clients are built by cutting and pasting modules
then making a main index page which directs traffic.

A standardized naming convention is but a fraction of application
architecture.  Fusebox has a naming convention as well, but the naming
convention is arbitrary, the fusebox guys could have named their act_
templates cgi_ .  So this gives you an idea what the template does, but says
nothing of the over all architecture.  Again, fusebox is A methodology.  It
is THE methodology that works for me.  If you have a methodology that works
for you and your company, chances are, like Figleaf you do not need to adopt
a new one.  However, if you or your company presently do not have a
application architecture methodology or are looking for one that you can
easily subcontract work with I highly recommend Fusebox.


Sean Renet

- Original M

Re: CFFTP -- INVALID PORT COMMAND

[Sean Renet]

nope thought that might have been it, but I took the firewall down and tried
and still got the error
- Original Message -
From: "JustinMacCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 6:42 AM
Subject: RE: CFFTP -- INVALID PORT COMMAND


> Firewall issue ??
>
> ~Justin
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 12:17 PM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: CFFTP -- INVALID PORT COMMAND
> >
> >
> >Anyone ever see this error in your CFCATCH stuff using CFFTP?
> >
> >UNKNOWN
> >500 Invalid PORT Command.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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CFFTP -- INVALID PORT COMMAND

[Sean Renet]

Anyone ever see this error in your CFCATCH stuff using CFFTP?

UNKNOWN
500 Invalid PORT Command.



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Re: ICQ For Cold Fusion Community

[Sean Renet]

I use AIM and so does everyone I develop with. Can send files, talk ect..
All it needs is a whiteboard and it will be what netmeeting was supposed to
be.
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: ICQ For Cold Fusion Community


> You mean something like the ICQ active list I've been hosting since it
> started? Try adding the active list id 48787133.
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was just wondering do we have a group of Cold Fusion Developers that
had
> > their ICQ program always stay online?
> >
> > ICQ ("I Seek You") is a user-friendly Internet program that notifies you
> > which of your friends and associates are online and enables you to
contact
> > them. With ICQ, you can chat, send messages and files, exchange Web page
> > addresses, play games, create your own homepage, surf the Net with your
> > friends, and much more. With the click of your mouse, you and your
friends
> > are instantly connected.
> >
> > With such program, I was thinking, do we have a community of Cold Fusion
> > Developers to share their ICQ number ? With that, we're able to help one
> > another promptly pertaining to Cold Fusion technical
> difficulties/enquiries.
> >
> > What do you guys think?
> >
> > Roger
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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URLTOKEN AND NETSCAPE FOR MAC

[Sean Renet]

I am passing urltoken around with hrefs and forms, in 3 browsers (IE &
NETSCAPE for the PC and IE for the MAC) this maintains state fine.  For some
reason in Netscape for the MAC, state is lost across frames any ideas?

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Re: fusebox

[Sean Renet]

This conversation is always the oddest topic.  I am sure the day you walk
into Figleaf you are handed the Rig Veda of methodology standards.  Anyone
that has been to a conference and heard Dave or whoever from Figleaf speak
must concede they have their shit completely together.  However, if you are
just beginning to develop or are beginning to build a team or unhappy with
your present methodology it is not going to kill anyone to research
prevailing methodologies.  This isn't rocket science, the docs are simple to
read and understand.  Read them, if you can benefit from it use them.  If
not find one that suites you.  The reason why I find this odd, is because I
have yet to read any of the naysayers write "I hate fusebox, go to this link
and look at my methods and standards because they are way better.  Derision
is easy, if you are going to knock something, atleast give all the people
reading it an alternative.

Karl, straight out, you have no idea what you are talking about.

>It slightly increases development time
I cannot think of one person that programs in fusebox that would agree with
this.  Perhaps your development time was slower because you are not used to
programming in fusebox.  I am sure that if I used whatever legendary, widely
used, published methodology you use, I would have a slower time developing
in it because though I might understand it, I would not be used to
programming in it.

>obfuscates CF debugging
completely not the case, and please tell me you incorporate structured error
handling and don't rely solely on CF's debugging.

>necessitates superfluous code
The whole point of fusebox is code reusability and non superfluous code

>processing time by routing every page call through an index.cfm
WTF?

>We now only use it when clients insist that they want their applications
built around it (usually they've heard a little about >Fusebox and think
it's cutting-edge so they want it without really understanding it).
Who are your clients?  I have built everything from porn to international
financial institutions and my clients have never even heard of fusebox.  If
any, the only buzz words they know are Java, CF, Broadvision, Websphere.  I
have never had a client ever ask me which methodology I use in any of those
applications.

Dave,
>I fail to see how it's easier to read the index.cfm file to find what file
to change, then open and change that file, than it is >to simply open a
single file, find the section that needs to be changed, and change it.

It might not be easier if you are using a different methodology, however,
all things being equal I have found application logic easier to explain in
fusebox as each application and subapplication has a roadmap which is the
index.cfm

>> Anybody dare try and contest this?

>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>http://www.figleaf.com/
>voice: (202) 797-5496
>fax: (202) 797-5444

Priceless!


Sean Renet




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From: "BORKMAN Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:27 PM
Subject: RE: fusebox


> Hi Dave,
>
> Of course you are right.  If you have excellent methodologies,
> architectures, and standards in place already, then maybe you have no use
> for FuseBox.  FuseBox, as you point out, is neither a complete
methodology,
> nor a complete architecture, nor a complete standard.  It is just a bunch
of
> techniques that has been hammered out by a large community of CF
developers,
> who want more people to keep adding their help and suggestions.  It will
> obviously offer most benefit to people whose code is all over the place,
and
> basically have no idea, but I can assure you that it helps out CF_GODs
like
> me too ;-)
>
> FuseBox includes:
> 1: Suggestions about methodology
> 2: Suggestions about CF architecture (not usually about data design, etc)
> 3: Suggestions about roughly-optimal code 'factoring' (it's definitely NOT
> about breaking code into meaningless 'atomic' pieces)
> 4: Suggestions about making mundane coding decisions (like file naming)
> basically automatic,
> 5: Suggestions for engaging your expertise with the INTERESTING parts of
the
> problem
> 6: etc
>
> By virtue of its large user community, its open source ethos, and the kind
> of debate we are now engaged in, FuseBox gets better and better, and has
now
> reached a substantial level of maturity.
>
> Nobody is suggesting that FuseBox should or could replace any
organization's
> existing Software Engineering methodologies.  But hey, it doesn't cost a
> single cent, so you can happily take on board 10% of the suggestions and
> throw out the rest, with no loss to anyone.  I haven't yet seen a
high-level
> methodology that's incompatible with FuseBox.
&g

Re: Dynamic PDF

[Sean Renet]

Mike check out www.activepdf.com
I use their activepdf toolkit to generate all kinds of pdf files on the fly
- Original Message -
From: "Mike Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 3:53 PM
Subject: Dynamic PDF


> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> All,
> Is there a way to create PDFs on the fly?  My users get a results set
> from a query and I would like to give them a dynamic way to print it.
>
> Any thoughts on how it can be done?
>
> TIA
> Mike
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use 
>
> iQA/AwUBOf4JHXYFmKomMlANEQJJ9QCgztd+pjH8xqPClOc8t4+C+AyTbGwAoL8i
> +Qlmxq7j9jccBYIrzdqrT4hA
> =uLlS
> -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Re: fusebox style: too much disk access?

[Sean Renet]

All I have to say is that I want to see the app where the client complains
about a 3 millisecond hit.  I think that is where I show them my Broadvision
prices.

Welcome back guys.

Sean Renet.

ps, did "funky ass results" make the book?  :::reaches for his checkbook:::
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From: "Steve Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: fusebox style: too much disk access?


> Don't be confused by what Nat is saying, a single "fuseaction" in a
> Fusebox application may only hit 5-8 files.  It's really not that big a
> deal.
>
> Steve
>
> Nat Papovich wrote:
> >
> > A simple test of included files suggests that CF's internal file access
> > functions were pratically built with a cfinclude-heavy architecture in
mind.
> > Accessing dozens of files for a single page request is very quick. Out
of
> > 100 included files, you might notice a 10 ms increase than if you had
all
> > the code on the same page. Now that 10 ms performance hit gives you a
> > scalable, intelligible architecture. If you have any experience with
really
> > large sites, you know that the only safe way to scale a project is to
break
> > it into small "minute modules".
> >
> > All this is without mentioning CF's ability to cache templates
> > automatically. Accessing a file from RAM is basically instantaneous.
> >
> > If code scalability, readability, longevity, and understandability is
> > important now or will be important later, you need to adopt a structured
> > application methodology like Fusebox.
> >
> > Nat Papovich
> > ICQ 32676414
> > "I'm for truth no matter who tells it."
> > -Malcolm X, 1965
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Cyrill Vatomsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 1:00 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: fusebox style: too much disk access?
> >
> > I was reading on the fusebox concept of putting minute modules into
separate
> > files and the question is: wouldn't that slow the site by having to
access
> > too many different disk files to load one page?
> >
> > Cyrill
> >
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CFQUERY and its GROUP attribute

[Sean Renet]

I have an object oriented database, the database has two objects,
PERSON_TYPE_DESC (a persons type) and NAME (the person) theses are called
and joined by a view called people.  I have simplified the code as I use
tags as methods, so the example/question is easier to demonstrate.

Here is the issue, if a person type has more than one person attached I want
I want there to be an (s) after the person type and no (s) if the person
type only has one person.  Also, I do not want there to be a comma after the
last person associated in the display.

So if you simply use cfouput and its group attribute...


#PERSON_TYPE_DESC#s:

 #NAME#,
  
   

you might get something like this:

Producers: Sean Renet,
Song Writers: Dave Watts, Steve Nelson,

I guess an alternate would be to not use commas at all and use (s) like so

Producer(s): Sean Renet
Song Writer(s): Dave Watts Steve Nelson

I think that looks just as lame so I came up with the following code using
lists.  It works fine, I am just wondering if anyone has anything slicker.
Oh and yes I intend to tagify this, this is just first blush.








 
 
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 
 





 
 #listgetat(persontypelist,i,"|")#s:  #listgetat(fullpersonlist,i,"|")# 
 


this produces...

Producer: Sean Renet
Song Writers: Dave Watts, Steve Nelson

wouldn't be great if there was a query_name.group.RecordCount variable?
I will eventually use CFASSOCIATE to tagify this, but I just wanted to
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CFFTP

[Sean Renet]

can someone give me a snippet of code that actually uses CFFTP for uploading
a file?  There are tons of examples for listing directories (Ben's book, the
docs, ect), but I cannot find one example of code for uploading a file. Here
is what I am trying

---set test varables-






open connection-

Did it succeed? #CFFTP.Succeeded#

-upload file 


Did it succeed? #CFFTP.Succeeded#

- close connection -

Did it succeed? #CFFTP.Succeeded#

This is the error. (lines 32-42 is the upload part of the operation)
  Error Diagnostic Information
  550 /1624/brain1.gif: Permission denied


  The error occurred while processing an element with a general
identifier of (CFFTP), occupying document position (32:1) to (42:3) in the
template file d:\Inetpub\wwwroot\neurotrash\newadmin\ftpupload.cfm.


  Date/Time: 10/14/00 17:34:52
  Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
  Remote Address: 63.203.119.83




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Re: Cant nest CFLOOPs !

[Sean Renet]

Peter make them lists.   etc then use
listgetat
- Original Message -
From: "Peter Theobald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 8:42 PM
Subject: Cant nest CFLOOPs !


> I just found out that if you nest CFLOOPs with Queries the inner CFLOOP
will undo the outer loops query variable bindings!
>
> In other words:
>
> 
> name is #myquery.name#  (this works)
> 
> state is #liststates.state#  (this works)
> name is #myquery.name#  (this DOES NOT WORK!) It always shows the
FIRST RECORD of myquery!
> 
> 
>
> Can this be?! In my real-world program my outer loop is querying a table
with 30 fields! Do I actually have to put them all in temporary variables in
order to "pass" them down into the inner loop? This stinks!
>
>
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Re: Ok, What is Fusebox?-- Reply to Peter

[Sean Renet]

>*WHY* is it good that I can call any template from the browser or as a
module?

First off this is mis-stated. One of the appealing points of fusebox is that
you can lock down all of those function and object tags (whoops did I say
objects?) with only 3 lines of code in your application.cfm.  That is, if
the request is not coming from index.cfm,  then send them to index.cfm. So
you can htr or ::DATA$ me all you want and all you are going to see is an
index page which paths to a bunch of templates/modules that you are never
going to access unless you do it the way my logic provides. By this, I mean
if you see a tag call or path to some template, you are never going to be
able to call that template by itself.  So if you figure out that my order
processing is done on act_process_order.cfm, and you try calling that
template by itself through the browser with a .htr or ::DATA$,
application.cfm is going to see that the request is not coming from
index.cfm and send you to the front of my website or wherever it is that I
choose to send you. So its not "You can call any template from a browser",
rather it prohibits this. This, is in fact a different means of your current
goal.  Its just easier to implement.  Now if you have the luxury of setting
a client up on their own box, you can set directory security up in such a
manner that this is not necessary.  However, I have never had a client
complain about too much security. As well, this offers you a simple inherent
security measure for clients that rest on shared servers where sandbox or
any other sort of directory security is not offered.  It has been my
personal experience that most ISP's will want you on a dedicated or managed
server if you want to start playing with directory permissions. Now you can
roll your eyes all you want, but small to medium web application solutions
that rest on shared servers are cash cows.  Most of those clients want the
same solutions (e.g.., ecommerce, client login, administration, data
harvesting, message boards et al.). If you have each of these elements set
up as individual modules, then building sites for these clients can be done
by the least skilled of your programming staff fast and easy. All they need
to do is take a module's fuseactions, throw them into a case on your switch
and either call the module as a tag or simple path to its directory's
index.cfm.  So the turn over rate for these clients is amazing.

My current business is set up just like a record company. Record company's
exist, believe it or not, not on Korn or Brittany Spears or "insert 5 member
boy band here".  They exist on midline product.  That is their catalog. You
see, you sign 10 Brittany Spears before you get Brittany Spears, and pray to
god that Brittany Spears pays for the money you invested in the other 9 that
shipped gold and came back platinum. (This is a joke meaning you shipped
500,000 records and 1,000,000 were returned). If a record company tried to
rest solely on this reckoning they would be out of business faster than the
Dot Gones. So to subsidize themselves, they repackage catalog. For example,
wherein I am not a Hendrix fan so I do not know for certain, my bet is that
every Hendrix compilation or "best of" has the same recurring 4-5 songs and
I will go one step further and bet the publishing of those songs is
administered thru Universal/MCA (Hendrix's label). So how does this apply to
programming?  Well you generally have 1 or 2 major clients. By major I mean
financially. Now you hope that these clients meet the financial milestones
outlined in your contract. Generally they do, but what if they don't?  What
if wallstreet says to your client "umm we just realize you are overvalued so
we are attaching cement shoes to your stock"  Do you fire your staff or ask
them to work for free until that client "in the works" comes through? No,
you rest safely in the comfort of the cash all the small to medium clients
(your midline product) generated. Which, by the way, were programmed by your
interns that simply plugged in modules to a fusebox. Not to mention your
royalty on the data harvesting of these clients (the publishing).

Secondly, contrary to what Jeremy thinks is possible, all my data and logic
is object oriented.  So, if I have a client that decides months after
production that they want a message board, then I just take my message board
module/object and plug it in to the fusebox.  Recently I had a manufacturer
that originally just wanted to display products with a search engine
pointing the user to retail outlets and or websites that sold their brands.
After months of collecting data on the users and where they were routed I
was able to convince the client to a) harvest their data for resale to other
manufacturers and b) set up shop on the web.  The design implementation for
the module took about 3-4 weeks as design using does at its fastest case,
and the programming took about a day and a half. The only reason programming
took so long, is tha

Re: Ok, What is Fusebox?

[Sean Renet]

This tag takes all form and url scoped variables and changes them to an
attributes scope.

In this manner, any application or module built in fusebox can be called as
a tag.

It should be included in your app_globals.cfm file.
- Original Message -
From: "Roger Lim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Ok, What is Fusebox?


> Hi there,
>
> exactly where do you put your  ?
>
> don't really understand this custom tag well and how it can effectively
use
> on fusebox, can help me to see it more clearly? thanks!
>
> roger
> - Original Message -
> From: Paul Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 11:13 PM
> Subject: RE: Ok, What is Fusebox?
>
>
> > Will,
> >
> > Very simply, fusebox is a way or a methodology of creating an
application
> > using "actions" called a "fuseaction". You use the attributes scope
using
> > the  tag (which is part of fusebox). What this
tag
> > does is to change all "form" and "url" scope variables into attribute
> scope.
> > This means that a fusebox can be used as a module or as a custom tag.
> >
> > In fusebox ALL processing is done through the index.cfm page.  This is
> where
> > you put all of the fuseactions you want. You choose which fuseaction you
> > want using a . An example of a simple index.cfm page is here:
> >
> > -
> > Index.cfm
> > -
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > -
> > End of Index.cfm
> > -
> >
> > The advantage of this is that you can put headers and footers around
this
> > code.  You can also put  and  around
this
> >  and this will put error checking in all your code throughout
> your
> > application.
> >
> > The effect of using this method is to modularise the whole system,
making
> > each section into small "bite-size" chunks of code (you hope) thus
making
> > error checking a lot easier.  Debugging being one of the worst parts of
> > programming, I think you may see why this is useful.
> >
> > It is also very efficient use of coding.  I have been using it for
several
> > months and my ability to build robust and fast applications has
increased
> > significantly. Another aspect of fusebox is that it makes you think
about
> > the application and what actions you need before you build it, thus
> forcing
> > you to plan the application better than previous methodologies did.
> >
> > Anyway, I'm going to step down from my soapbox (if you'll excuse the
pun)
> > and let you read the rest at http://www.fusebox.org
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > PS One of the best things about fusebox is that it is not a rigid
system.
> > You can take the bits you want and use them, and nobody is going to mind
> at
> > all.  There is also a fusebox mailing list, on
> http://www.houseoffusion.com
> > and if you want more help, go there.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: W Luke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 18 September 2000 15:48
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: Ok, What is Fusebox?
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Stephen Moretti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 2:39 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Ok, What is Fusebox?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey Will,
> > > >
> > > > David is exactly right, you need to start at the fusebox
> > > website, but I'm
> > > > gonna *try* and give you a little insight.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm still unsure of exactly what it stands for.  Could you give me
> an
> > > > > example of a fusebox `concept`?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > OK
> > > > Not meaning to blow my own trumpet, but did you have a look at the
> > > > powerpoint presentation that I gave a link to in a previous
> > > email??  That
> > > > should help you understand where to start...
> > >
> > > It's sitting on my desktop - I've got to  re-install
Powerpoint
> > > though, as I've never had to use it.
> > >
> > > > Well - all of it really.
> > > >
> > > > Each of the queries goes into a file that is prepended with
> > > qry_ and then
> > > a
> > > > name that makes sense, it will also help you to get rid of the
> > > duplicated
> > > > queries and help you reuse the code you've already written.  It'll
> also
> > > help
> > > > you later when you get into advanced CF where you want to cache
> some/all
> > > of
> > > > those queries to speed processing of the pages.
> > >
> > > Right, and fusebox.org can tell me how to do this then?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > You'd probably have a circuit that controls the member section and
one
> > > that
> > > > controls the admin section both of which are controlled by your main
> > > > index.cfm.  Strictly speaking this is an extreme simplification, as
> you

Re: Fusebox [CF-Talk]--- Wow

[Sean Renet]

th it
or something that cannot be done using it besides miniscual performance
hits, I would like to know so I can change what I am doing.  So far no one
has presented such an example.  The examples given are not disimilar to the
ones given by ASP programmers that site reasons why not to use CF.  The
reality is, that they may have played around in CF, but do not program in it
day in and day out.

Secondly, I think in my first response to Dave I said I agreed it was "A"
methodology and not "THE" methodology.

Fusebox is a FRAMEWORK methodology.  Anything you can do in CF you can do in
Fusebox.  I find it faster to program in.  The reason I do not program
Broadvision anymore is that I find CF way more on the rapid development time
side of programming.  And I can only speak empirically here, but once I got
my arms around fusebox I, ME, Sean Renet, programmed CF  faster.  And as an
employer of subcontracters I find the contract work I let out that is done
in fusebox is returned faster than when it is written otherwise. Now to save
you all some typing, Faster does mean better when the craftsmanship is
equal. If you think otherwise, I would love to program for you so I can
spend way more time on the beach, we have 12 foot swells and I am missing
them so I can defend what I find to be a well thought out, ever developing
methodology

>and Fusebox is definately NOT OO..

Which part of fusebox is not object oriented?  Have you ever built a porn or
financial site? Try doing it without being object oriented. It can't be
done. Well I suppose it can if your intent is programming for your friends
and family.  Fusebox is neither object oriented or not object oriented, you
can program in it either way.  Again, its a framework methodology that uses
a standard naming structure.

>My opinon is object oriented programming done properly, and iwth the proper
environment (think Java) It is a >dream

I am guessing that by this you mean  Java and CF should be programmed
differently.  The two are married.  IMNSHO any heavy lifting should be done
server side.




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Re: [CF-Talk] RE: Ben Forta, I call on thee (was: What is Fusebox) -- Reply to Dave Watts.

[Sean Renet]

> > that you post (e.g.., "If you can afford SQL Server, you can
> > afford its own box").

Can you even believe that I am still harping on this?

> In all honesty - today. This morning. I was reviewing a Fusebox
application,
> to fix some problems within that application. I'm familiar with the basic
> tenets of Fusebox, if for no other reason than I run into it a decent
amount
> in my line of work

I meant the ongoing documentation and implementation, not a fusebox app.  A
fusebox app from last year would have those display header and footer
templates I disdain and a bunch of other stuff that has been improved
technique-wise.

> one group is just more honest than the other.

You client is only as honest as your attorney makes them :-P

> What I would take issue with is the idea that Fusebox is especially
> well-suited to n-tier applications, or especially well-suited to complex
> client interfaces. That's simply not the focus of Fusebox. Again, this
isn't
> a criticism of Fusebox - I'm not saying Fusebox is "bad". What I am saying
> is that it's not necessarily the best approach for everything, and that
> using Fusebox isn't going to be a panacea for developing complex web
> applications.

Actually, its n-tier capabilities is one reason I use it.  You are basically
just plugging applications and their subapplications into each other.

> Admittedly, the above example could benefit from a better naming scheme in
> either case. Nevertheless, Fusebox in this case just provides an extra
level
> of abstraction, which doesn't benefit me.

No, you would still have to look at your frameset and then look at the pages
it calls so where is the abstraction?.  The benefit is that the fusebox way
you write 3 lines of code in app_globals or application.cfm to lock all of
the templates down and you can dynamically change the frame by just changing
the fuseaction. As well, at a glance I could figure out what goes in those
frames and when.

> So's the material on the Fusebox site - at least the presentations.
There's
> Steve Nelson's paper, and something in French. And that's about it. Quoth
> Steve Nelson, 18 September:

Unfortunately the techniques on the fusebox site are not completely up to
date, but the docs do explain the frame work.  I am pretty sure Steve, Gabe,
Hale, Nat et al are pretty busy with their real jobs and its probably hard
for them to take a month or two off and update the site.  Most of this
information flows pretty redundantly on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list
and Hal writes about it in CFDJ.   However I don't find myself to be an
extraordinary super programmer, and I figured most of it out after reading
the fusebox docs and combing them with the CF DOCS.

> I'm not going to spend too much time researching something that we're not
> going to use, after I've already done the initial research. I stand by my
> claim that it's not for everybody (which is a pretty weak claim, after
all).

 I initially researched CF 3.0. Decided there wasn't anything there that I
couldn't do in the languages I was using. When 4.0 came out last year, I
changed my mind and now use Coldfusion primarily.  I think all recurring
methods or languages are worth investigation, but then I have that kind of
time on my hands.

I agree that if fusebox doesn't work for your application, use what does.
However I have yet to find a application that I could not or did not want to
code using its methods.

Sean Renet

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Re: [CF-Talk] RE: Ben Forta, I call on thee (was: What is Fusebox)

[Sean Renet]

Dick it wasn't meant to be elitist, it was a real question.  I think
everyone agrees that good coding practices are essential.  However everyone
that has come up with a reason not to use fusebox (including you) have only
delivered what appears to be ignorance of its present implementation. I have
not read Dave's monolithic response yet, and will do that next.

However,

...rather than distributing duplicate code among dsp, act and err
templates...

You know the whole point of fusebox is to reuse code right?  If you are
duplicating code, you are not implementing fusebox correctly.

The tradeoff is one somewhat larger module vs several smaller modules
requiring synchronized, concurrent changes

What synchronized changes are you referring to, that would not have to be
made in your monolithic template?  This is like the guy that said he didn't
use fusebox because it called index.cfm too many times.  You would only call
index.cfm as many times as you would individual templates.

I really think you need to take a look at the fusedocs again.  My cybercash
logic is slim and written in fusebox. Wherein none of my clients are
Amazon.com, none of them are Betty's Boutique either and I have never had
anyone call me and say "Our shopping cart doesn't work and its all because
its written in fusebox".  Matter of fact I haven't ever had anyone tell me
that the cart doesn't work period.  Most of these applications have multiple
fulfillment houses and handle cross fulfillment for back orders et al.  You
cannot charge the credit card until the product ships, so you have to hit
your merchant processing company twice (once for the approval/hold and once
to bill when the product ships).  Why write that code twice?  What you are
suggesting means that you do.  You write it once in your monolithic display
page and once in your backend charge process.  I just include the action
page twice.  Once the logic is written (or called as a servlet) on a
template, fusebox allows you to just "plug it in".  If yours turned out
ugly, do we think it is because you were not properly using the methodology?
So far it seems it could be the case. If you are really having problems with
cybercash, use paymentnet instead, those guys are never down.

I can arguably build a better widget using pure JAVA or Broadvision (I have
yet to walk down the weblogic road extensively), and there are things I like
about ASP, but I choose CF/EJB because among other things  its light weight,
affordable and allows rapid development. The cases you all are making for
not using fusebox are not disimilar to the arguments against using CF. Some
ASP developer might say "You can't do this in CF" and my response would be
"Yes, you can do that in CF, you however are not used to doing it in CF so
to you it looks like you cannot".  You are saying "I don't use fusebox
because you can't do this", and I am saying "Yes you can".  It is simply a
framework methodology.

I only do contract work and have had to program using everything from
Viant's methods to fusebox.  I have had a great deal of experience revamping
other developers' code and I have found it no easier than when the code is
written in fusebox. For me it works.  If it doesn't work for you, great.
Well written logical code is well written logical code, it has nothing to do
with the framework you wrap it in.  So to make erroneous statements that
some logic cannot be implemented or would suffer using fusebox is
fallacious.  Anything you can do in any methodology can be implemented in
another.  I have yet to find any business logic that suffered because it was
written in fusebox.  If you have a good framework methodology, use it.  I
use fusebox because it allows me to pump out applications fast, subcontract
work and spend most of my time on the beach with my kids or returning
emails like this.

>It is not a panacea... I refuse to bastardize system design or
implementation to conform to *any* arbitrary >standar(d).

Fusebox is not an arbitrary standard and to call it such demeans the time
and effort Steve, Gabe, Hall, Nat et al have put into developing it.  If you
don't like it, don't use it, but there are a whole bunch of people that are
trying very hard to develop something useful to this community.  I am still
waiting for the example of this mythic system bastardization which has
escaped me in my development career.

Sean Renet



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> Sean
>
> You do have a point, I have not used the Fusebox technique in a
> while... I imagine there new techniques.
>
> At 12:34 PM -0700 9/19/00, Sean Renet wrote:
> >Dick, I think you need

Re: [CF-Talk] Ben Forta's CF_DHTMLMenu

[Sean Renet]

Does anyone have a cross platform, cross browser version of this?
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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [CF-Talk] Ben Forta's CF_DHTMLMenu


> Make sure that you specify the correct script directory in the custom
> tag (it's looking for the .js file that came with the tag)  .. the
> example he gives points to a /js directory (which would be js under web
> root).  Try "./" if it's in the same directory as your application.
> Otherwise, point it to the correct directory (relative to your web root)
>
> --
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> Jay Wigginton wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have a working example of Ben Forta's custom tag
CF_DHTMLMENU?
> > I downloaded this from the tag gallery and used the example from there
and I
> > when I attempt to test it I get one javascript error after
another???
> >
> > thanks
> > Jay
> >
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Re: [CF-Talk] RE: Ben Forta, I call on thee (was: What is Fusebox )

[Sean Renet]

Jeremy you are wrong, see my reply to Dave regarding dynamic frames.
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> Can I second that?
>
> We do work on a largish FuseBox app and I had to write a
> chat client (scary using HTTP in and of itself) and..
> most of the pages including the header and footer is
> overhead not only that it just made it silly so now
> chat is a bastard child of sorts that skirts around
> several things such as headers and footers of
> the rest of the app.
>
> One frame submits another which rewrites another frame.
> Fusebox was *not* up to that sort of thing really. It
> is much easier to totally seperate the logic processing
> (Grabbing messaging updating message tables updating users
> etc. etc) into a totally seperate 'layer' of the app.
>
> And then just have another layer that 'rewrites' the
> actual display or presentation.
>
> One of the reasons CF/ASP/whatever code is so darned ugly
> is some of the time you just have to mix presentation with
> logic (often), and some of the time core components of your
> logic.
>
> Fusebox helps in this area, but only some of the way, it
> is my personal belief it can some of the time obfusticate
> this goal somewhat, You cant always have your cake and
> eat it too :)
>
> Jeremy Allen
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -Original Message-
> From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 12:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [CF-Talk] RE: Ben Forta, I call on thee (was: What is
> Fusebox )
>
>
> At 10:39 AM -0400 9/19/00, Dave Watts wrote:
> >
> >At Fig Leaf, our goals are not to build CF-centric applications, but
n-tier
> >applications. We partition application logic between the application
server
> >(CF), the database, the client, and potentially object tiers between the
> >application server and the database. Fusebox doesn't address how to
manage
> >that complexity, so it doesn't work for us from that approach.
> >
> >We provide complex client interfaces, using frames, JavaScript, Dynamic
> HTML
> >and Flash. It's not uncommon for our applications to have one frame
> >dynamically generating the contents of another. Fusebox, with its header
> and
> >footer files, is spectacularly unsuited to this.
> >
>
> I agree totally with the above!.  I tend to use a lot of frames and
> client_side programming to reduce bandwith and improve the user
> experience.  To accomplish this, you need to distribute much of the
> programming logic for navigation/validation and what I call
> application "lubricant" or "glue" to the client.
>
> Another technique I like to use is to combine the logic to:
>
>present a form
>validate a form
>Re-present a form in error ( with a popup explaining all errors
>Present the response to an Accepted form
>
> in a separate program module/template... it is a lot easier to
> delegate the entire process to a separate module, rather than
> distribute it among separate modules navigated by index.cfm
>
> There are times where you must invoke external operations (Cybercash,
> CFHTTP harvesting, etc).  These operations can timeout (no response)
> or return an error.
>
> When this happens, you need to retry a given number of times, then
> try an alternate route.
>
> At each of these stages, you could get another, possibly different, error.
>
> Example from an early CyberCash/CashRegister implementation:
>
>   Attempt 1:  Cybercash -  Authorization Times out (No response)
>   Attempt 2:  Cybercash - Authorization declined - already posted
>   Attempt 3:  CFHTTP CashRegister - Request Posted Item Info Times out
>   Attempt 4:  ...
>
> To try to do this with separate modules invoked through a an index.cfm
> "traffic cop" unnecessarily complicates the process.
>
> HTH
>
> Dick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [CF-Talk] RE: Ben Forta, I call on thee (was: What is Fusebox )

[Sean Renet]

Dick, I think you need to spend a bit of time looking at new techniques that
are being used in fusebox.  I have similar logic solutions in fusebox, mine
are just more readable.

I generally use the javascript for form validation, and the same fuseaction
with the same forms to validate any validation that is logic related. This
makes my display templates smaller therefore easier to read and any
validation logic beyond form validation is done in a act_ template.  What
you are doing makes one monolithic template which would be hard to read by
another developer.

With your cybercash scenario,  all you need is a switch to handle the error
or response from cybercash and cflocation changing the fuseaction. On a
timeout, you simply decide how many times you want to try the request and
reset the counter on each attempt then cflocation them to whatever logic you
have for cybercash being down.

e.g..,



So far all of the people that are not fans of fusebox simply do not know how
to use it and have spent no time reading the documentation or researching
its implementation.  Do any of you have any real problems with fusebox?


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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 9:54 AM
Subject: RE: [CF-Talk] RE: Ben Forta, I call on thee (was: What is Fusebox )


> At 10:39 AM -0400 9/19/00, Dave Watts wrote:
> >
> >At Fig Leaf, our goals are not to build CF-centric applications, but
n-tier
> >applications. We partition application logic between the application
server
> >(CF), the database, the client, and potentially object tiers between the
> >application server and the database. Fusebox doesn't address how to
manage
> >that complexity, so it doesn't work for us from that approach.
> >
> >We provide complex client interfaces, using frames, JavaScript, Dynamic
HTML
> >and Flash. It's not uncommon for our applications to have one frame
> >dynamically generating the contents of another. Fusebox, with its header
and
> >footer files, is spectacularly unsuited to this.
> >
>
> I agree totally with the above!.  I tend to use a lot of frames and
> client_side programming to reduce bandwith and improve the user
> experience.  To accomplish this, you need to distribute much of the
> programming logic for navigation/validation and what I call
> application "lubricant" or "glue" to the client.
>
> Another technique I like to use is to combine the logic to:
>
>present a form
>validate a form
>Re-present a form in error ( with a popup explaining all errors
>Present the response to an Accepted form
>
> in a separate program module/template... it is a lot easier to
> delegate the entire process to a separate module, rather than
> distribute it among separate modules navigated by index.cfm
>
> There are times where you must invoke external operations (Cybercash,
> CFHTTP harvesting, etc).  These operations can timeout (no response)
> or return an error.
>
> When this happens, you need to retry a given number of times, then
> try an alternate route.
>
> At each of these stages, you could get another, possibly different, error.
>
> Example from an early CyberCash/CashRegister implementation:
>
>   Attempt 1:  Cybercash -  Authorization Times out (No response)
>   Attempt 2:  Cybercash - Authorization declined - already posted
>   Attempt 3:  CFHTTP CashRegister - Request Posted Item Info Times out
>   Attempt 4:  ...
>
> To try to do this with separate modules invoked through a an index.cfm
> "traffic cop" unnecessarily complicates the process.
>
> HTH
>
> Dick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [CF-Talk] RE: Ben Forta, I call on thee (was: What is Fusebox) -- Reply to Dave Watts.

[Sean Renet]

L.  I can't think of one application that I have built
without frames.  Flash is built into your templates, so it is really not an
issue for the framework. However, if you are using SMIL files as a
quarterback between your FLASH and REAL files, fusebox allows your
quarterback to think easier.

If you have a good methodology use it, but by all means please research
current information before you make such broad stroke arguments.  Again, I
think you guys at Figleaf are the best development team across the board,
and with that there is some responsibility you should shoulder for
generalized characterizations.

I hope this sheds dome light on the ongoing development of this methodology.

Sean Renet

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Re: My brain is fried, can someone give me some regularexpression help please...

[Sean Renet]

That did the trick, thanks.
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Subject: Re: My brain is fried, can someone give me some regularexpression
help please...


> How about an RegEx that removes all characters that aren't tabs and
> then count the remainder. If CF's RegEx engine supported \t it would be
> really easy. You'll have to substitute something legit for "::TAB::". I
> tried something like, REReplace(strOrderFile, #Chr(9)#, "", "ALL") in
> the past and I seem to remember that it blew up. Let me know if you
> find something that works.
>
> - Set strOrderFile = " ... "
> - Set intNumberOfTabs = Len(REReplace
> (strOrderFile, "[^::TAB::]", "", "ALL"))
>
> or, with Array conversion
>
>
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Re: My brain is fried, can someone give me some regular expression help please...

[Sean Renet]

now you would think that would work, but it doesn't.
when running the code below, you see that there are 51 tabs in the string.
If you use listlen, you only get the tabs that have data between them which
amounts to 34.
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Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 9:27 PM
Subject: RE: My brain is fried, can someone give me some regular expression
help please...


> How about:
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:38 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: My brain is fried, can someone give me some regular expression
> help please...
>
>
> I have a character string, which is basically a tab delimited list.  I
need
> a regular expression that will count the tabs in the string and verify
they
> are all there.
>
> Essentially, I would like a regular expression that does this:
>
> 
>
> 
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
>
>   
> 
>  
>
>
> 
>
> 
> #nNumTabs#
>
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My brain is fried, can someone give me some regular expression help please...

[Sean Renet]

I have a character string, which is basically a tab delimited list.  I need
a regular expression that will count the tabs in the string and verify they
are all there.

Essentially, I would like a regular expression that does this:





  

  

  

  







  

 

   



#nNumTabs#

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Microsoft Word and Power Point with CF

[Sean Renet]

Does anyone have a tag that will take data from Word and/or Power Point and
parse it.?

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Re: getting UserID in WinNT

[Sean Renet]

Hey Lewis,

Does your website come with a BUY button?  This looks like I pretty cool
tool.
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Subject: RE: getting UserID in WinNT


>
>
> > http://www.intrafoundation.com/usermanagersuite.html
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Howie
> >
> > P.S. Lewis - your home page comes up blank...
>
> Hmm. Probably been like that for a week then. :) Fixed. Thanks, I've been
so
> distracted of late I'd probably not have noticed  it for weeks.
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Re: Is there a variable for a query's name?

[Sean Renet]

umm that was part of the joke.  I wish I could take credit for it, but I
believe is Daniel Maguire's
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> > I must be the most unarticulate person on these lists.
>
> Yes.  It's "inarticulate."
> -David-who-did-better-on-the-English-part-of-the-SAT-than-on-the-math-par
> t-but-who-works-as-a-programmer-anyway
> 
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Re: Comma/Number Problem

[Sean Renet]

use a | as your delimiter.  That is the think that is SHIFT-\
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> Hi,
>
> I am trying to add a bunch of numbers to get a total value. It works fine
> unless someone uses a comma to separate 'thousands':
>
> Ex. 10,500
>
> How do I get rid of the comma before I add it up??
>
> EX. 10500
>
> Thanks
>
> Sal
> 
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Re: Help finding a shopping cart!

[Sean Renet]

Dreamtank has a shopping cart like this.  Call Tony Rennert at 310-260-1597
or email him at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Their's is used for web content photo
cd's
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Subject: Help finding a shopping cart!


> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know of a shopping cart application built in cold fusion that
> allows purchasing of a whole category, not just individual products?
>
> An example would be like the photodisc or eyewire websites, where you can
> purchase a whole collection or you individual images.
>
> TIA
>
> Perry
>
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Re: Shopping cart with variable prices?

[Sean Renet]

Adam Churvis's CommerceBlocks is designed for exactly what you require.
I think the example he gave at the CFUG was percisely this scenerio.
http://www.commerceblocks.com/
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 3:04 AM
Subject: Shopping cart with variable prices?


> I have a prospective client who sells about 150 commodity products and
> wants to bring this on line and allow his mostly regular customers to
> place their daily orders order over the web and I'm scoping out the size
> of the job for me so I can price it.
>
> No problem so far.
>
> But his prices vary from customer to customer, based on the relative
> negotiation skills of the buyer and his sales people, and his supply
> prices of the moment.  And there's no uniform discount for the customers
> (e.g. customer x gets 12.5% discount).  So each customer needs to have a
> price set for each product.
>
> Is there a package shopping cart that will handle this wide flexibility in
> pricing? Or am I going to have to write my own?
>
> Cheers,
> Mike Kear
> AFP Web Development
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
>
>
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Re: Integrating with Flash

[Sean Renet]

I have a day left of crazy left, then I will email you an fla file and cf
template off list.
- Original Message -
From: "Rich Wild" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:53 AM
Subject: RE: Integrating with Flash


> Yeah - I wasn't talking semantics though, I am genuinely interested in how
> you pull those variables out - where does the LoadVariables pull the CF
> variables from?
>
> I've used URL variables before fine - but limited as I said, due to the
max
> length of a URL string
>
> I've used textfiles also - getting CF to create a textfile with the
> variables written into it:
>
> eg: variables.txt
> **
>
> var1 = Hello
> var2 = Cheese
> var3 = red hot poker
>
> **
>
> And Then Flash LoadVariables from variables.txt
>
> Now I *know* that this is brutish and poor. Must be. Makes me wince just
> looking at it.
>
> How specifically are you handling it? I long for a better way...
>
> --
> Rich Wild
> Senior Web Designer
>
> ---
> e-mango.com ltd  Tel: 01202 587 400
> Lansdowne Place  Fax: 01202 587 401
> 17 Holdenhurst Road
> Bournemouth   Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> BH8 8EW, UK  http://www.e-mango.com
> ---
> This message may contain information which is legally
> privileged and/or confidential.  If you are not the
> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution or use
> of this information is strictly prohibited. Such
> notification notwithstanding, any comments, opinions,
> information or conclusions expressed in this message
> are those of the originator, not of e-mango.com ltd,
> unless otherwise explicitly and independently indicated
> by an authorised representative of e-mango.com ltd.
> ---
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 03 August 2000 09:44
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Integrating with Flash
>
>
> I seldom use url variables.  I am sure that someone will respond with a
> url/form variable dissertation.  However, I generally have an action page
in
> the background that does all the work and I have flash pull the variables
> from it using flash's LoadVariables command.  I suppose this is more like
a
> form variable pass as the method is "post".  I don't have much time to get
> caught up in symantics, I just do what I think works the best.  You don't
> need text output per say, you can just use cfcontent.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rich Wild" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:03 AM
> Subject: RE: Integrating with Flash
>
>
> > Am I right in saying that you are limited to using URL variables when
> > controlling Flash movies though? That's what I've picked up anyway
> >
> > Kind of annoying if you have a lot of text to output...
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rich Wild
> > Senior Web Designer
> >
> > ---
> > e-mango.com ltd  Tel: 01202 587 400
> > Lansdowne Place  Fax: 01202 587 401
> > 17 Holdenhurst Road
> > Bournemouth   Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > BH8 8EW, UK  http://www.e-mango.com
> > ---
> > This message may contain information which is legally
> > privileged and/or confidential.  If you are not the
> > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution or use
> > of this information is strictly prohibited. Such
> > notification notwithstanding, any comments, opinions,
> > information or conclusions expressed in this message
> > are those of the originator, not of e-mango.com ltd,
> > unless otherwise explicitly and independently indicated
> > by an authorised representative of e-mango.com ltd.
> > ---
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 03 August 2000 08:53
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Integrating with Flash
> >
> >
> > I disagree.  Generator's main purpose was dynamic multimedia content.
Now
> > that you can us

Re: Integrating with Flash

[Sean Renet]

I have a day left of crazy left, then I will email you an fla file and cf
template off list.
- Original Message -
From: "Rich Wild" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:53 AM
Subject: RE: Integrating with Flash


> Yeah - I wasn't talking semantics though, I am genuinely interested in how
> you pull those variables out - where does the LoadVariables pull the CF
> variables from?
>
> I've used URL variables before fine - but limited as I said, due to the
max
> length of a URL string
>
> I've used textfiles also - getting CF to create a textfile with the
> variables written into it:
>
> eg: variables.txt
> **
>
> var1 = Hello
> var2 = Cheese
> var3 = red hot poker
>
> **
>
> And Then Flash LoadVariables from variables.txt
>
> Now I *know* that this is brutish and poor. Must be. Makes me wince just
> looking at it.
>
> How specifically are you handling it? I long for a better way...
>
> --
> Rich Wild
> Senior Web Designer
>
> ---
> e-mango.com ltd  Tel: 01202 587 400
> Lansdowne Place  Fax: 01202 587 401
> 17 Holdenhurst Road
> Bournemouth   Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> BH8 8EW, UK  http://www.e-mango.com
> ---
> This message may contain information which is legally
> privileged and/or confidential.  If you are not the
> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution or use
> of this information is strictly prohibited. Such
> notification notwithstanding, any comments, opinions,
> information or conclusions expressed in this message
> are those of the originator, not of e-mango.com ltd,
> unless otherwise explicitly and independently indicated
> by an authorised representative of e-mango.com ltd.
> ---
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 03 August 2000 09:44
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Integrating with Flash
>
>
> I seldom use url variables.  I am sure that someone will respond with a
> url/form variable dissertation.  However, I generally have an action page
in
> the background that does all the work and I have flash pull the variables
> from it using flash's LoadVariables command.  I suppose this is more like
a
> form variable pass as the method is "post".  I don't have much time to get
> caught up in symantics, I just do what I think works the best.  You don't
> need text output per say, you can just use cfcontent.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rich Wild" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:03 AM
> Subject: RE: Integrating with Flash
>
>
> > Am I right in saying that you are limited to using URL variables when
> > controlling Flash movies though? That's what I've picked up anyway
> >
> > Kind of annoying if you have a lot of text to output...
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rich Wild
> > Senior Web Designer
> >
> > ---
> > e-mango.com ltd  Tel: 01202 587 400
> > Lansdowne Place  Fax: 01202 587 401
> > 17 Holdenhurst Road
> > Bournemouth   Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > BH8 8EW, UK  http://www.e-mango.com
> > ---
> > This message may contain information which is legally
> > privileged and/or confidential.  If you are not the
> > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution or use
> > of this information is strictly prohibited. Such
> > notification notwithstanding, any comments, opinions,
> > information or conclusions expressed in this message
> > are those of the originator, not of e-mango.com ltd,
> > unless otherwise explicitly and independently indicated
> > by an authorised representative of e-mango.com ltd.
> > ---
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 03 August 2000 08:53
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Integrating with Flash
> >
> >
> > I disagree.  Generator's main purpose was dynamic multimedia content.
Now
> > that you can us

Re: Integrating with Flash

[Sean Renet]

I have a day left of crazy left, then I will email you an fla file and cf
template off list.
- Original Message -
From: "Rich Wild" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:53 AM
Subject: RE: Integrating with Flash


> Yeah - I wasn't talking semantics though, I am genuinely interested in how
> you pull those variables out - where does the LoadVariables pull the CF
> variables from?
>
> I've used URL variables before fine - but limited as I said, due to the
max
> length of a URL string
>
> I've used textfiles also - getting CF to create a textfile with the
> variables written into it:
>
> eg: variables.txt
> **
>
> var1 = Hello
> var2 = Cheese
> var3 = red hot poker
>
> **
>
> And Then Flash LoadVariables from variables.txt
>
> Now I *know* that this is brutish and poor. Must be. Makes me wince just
> looking at it.
>
> How specifically are you handling it? I long for a better way...
>
> --
> Rich Wild
> Senior Web Designer
>
> ---
> e-mango.com ltd  Tel: 01202 587 400
> Lansdowne Place  Fax: 01202 587 401
> 17 Holdenhurst Road
> Bournemouth   Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> BH8 8EW, UK  http://www.e-mango.com
> ---
> This message may contain information which is legally
> privileged and/or confidential.  If you are not the
> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution or use
> of this information is strictly prohibited. Such
> notification notwithstanding, any comments, opinions,
> information or conclusions expressed in this message
> are those of the originator, not of e-mango.com ltd,
> unless otherwise explicitly and independently indicated
> by an authorised representative of e-mango.com ltd.
> ---
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 03 August 2000 09:44
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Integrating with Flash
>
>
> I seldom use url variables.  I am sure that someone will respond with a
> url/form variable dissertation.  However, I generally have an action page
in
> the background that does all the work and I have flash pull the variables
> from it using flash's LoadVariables command.  I suppose this is more like
a
> form variable pass as the method is "post".  I don't have much time to get
> caught up in symantics, I just do what I think works the best.  You don't
> need text output per say, you can just use cfcontent.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rich Wild" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:03 AM
> Subject: RE: Integrating with Flash
>
>
> > Am I right in saying that you are limited to using URL variables when
> > controlling Flash movies though? That's what I've picked up anyway
> >
> > Kind of annoying if you have a lot of text to output...
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rich Wild
> > Senior Web Designer
> >
> > ---
> > e-mango.com ltd  Tel: 01202 587 400
> > Lansdowne Place  Fax: 01202 587 401
> > 17 Holdenhurst Road
> > Bournemouth   Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > BH8 8EW, UK  http://www.e-mango.com
> > ---
> > This message may contain information which is legally
> > privileged and/or confidential.  If you are not the
> > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution or use
> > of this information is strictly prohibited. Such
> > notification notwithstanding, any comments, opinions,
> > information or conclusions expressed in this message
> > are those of the originator, not of e-mango.com ltd,
> > unless otherwise explicitly and independently indicated
> > by an authorised representative of e-mango.com ltd.
> > ---
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 03 August 2000 08:53
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Integrating with Flash
> >
> >
> > I disagree.  Generator's main purpose was dynamic multimedia content.
Now
> > that you can us

Re: Integrating with Flash

[Sean Renet]

I have a day left of crazy left, then I will email you an fla file and cf
template off list.
- Original Message -
From: "Rich Wild" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:53 AM
Subject: RE: Integrating with Flash


> Yeah - I wasn't talking semantics though, I am genuinely interested in how
> you pull those variables out - where does the LoadVariables pull the CF
> variables from?
>
> I've used URL variables before fine - but limited as I said, due to the
max
> length of a URL string
>
> I've used textfiles also - getting CF to create a textfile with the
> variables written into it:
>
> eg: variables.txt
> **
>
> var1 = Hello
> var2 = Cheese
> var3 = red hot poker
>
> **
>
> And Then Flash LoadVariables from variables.txt
>
> Now I *know* that this is brutish and poor. Must be. Makes me wince just
> looking at it.
>
> How specifically are you handling it? I long for a better way...
>
> --
> Rich Wild
> Senior Web Designer
>
> ---
> e-mango.com ltd  Tel: 01202 587 400
> Lansdowne Place  Fax: 01202 587 401
> 17 Holdenhurst Road
> Bournemouth   Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> BH8 8EW, UK  http://www.e-mango.com
> ---
> This message may contain information which is legally
> privileged and/or confidential.  If you are not the
> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution or use
> of this information is strictly prohibited. Such
> notification notwithstanding, any comments, opinions,
> information or conclusions expressed in this message
> are those of the originator, not of e-mango.com ltd,
> unless otherwise explicitly and independently indicated
> by an authorised representative of e-mango.com ltd.
> ---
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 03 August 2000 09:44
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Integrating with Flash
>
>
> I seldom use url variables.  I am sure that someone will respond with a
> url/form variable dissertation.  However, I generally have an action page
in
> the background that does all the work and I have flash pull the variables
> from it using flash's LoadVariables command.  I suppose this is more like
a
> form variable pass as the method is "post".  I don't have much time to get
> caught up in symantics, I just do what I think works the best.  You don't
> need text output per say, you can just use cfcontent.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rich Wild" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:03 AM
> Subject: RE: Integrating with Flash
>
>
> > Am I right in saying that you are limited to using URL variables when
> > controlling Flash movies though? That's what I've picked up anyway
> >
> > Kind of annoying if you have a lot of text to output...
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rich Wild
> > Senior Web Designer
> >
> > ---
> > e-mango.com ltd  Tel: 01202 587 400
> > Lansdowne Place  Fax: 01202 587 401
> > 17 Holdenhurst Road
> > Bournemouth   Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > BH8 8EW, UK  http://www.e-mango.com
> > ---
> > This message may contain information which is legally
> > privileged and/or confidential.  If you are not the
> > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution or use
> > of this information is strictly prohibited. Such
> > notification notwithstanding, any comments, opinions,
> > information or conclusions expressed in this message
> > are those of the originator, not of e-mango.com ltd,
> > unless otherwise explicitly and independently indicated
> > by an authorised representative of e-mango.com ltd.
> > ---
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 03 August 2000 08:53
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Integrating with Flash
> >
> >
> > I disagree.  Generator's main purpose was dynamic multimedia content.
Now
> > that you can us

Re: Integrating with Flash

[Sean Renet]

I have a day left of crazy left, then I will email you an fla file and cf
template off list.
- Original Message -
From: "Rich Wild" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:53 AM
Subject: RE: Integrating with Flash


> Yeah - I wasn't talking semantics though, I am genuinely interested in how
> you pull those variables out - where does the LoadVariables pull the CF
> variables from?
>
> I've used URL variables before fine - but limited as I said, due to the
max
> length of a URL string
>
> I've used textfiles also - getting CF to create a textfile with the
> variables written into it:
>
> eg: variables.txt
> **
>
> var1 = Hello
> var2 = Cheese
> var3 = red hot poker
>
> **
>
> And Then Flash LoadVariables from variables.txt
>
> Now I *know* that this is brutish and poor. Must be. Makes me wince just
> looking at it.
>
> How specifically are you handling it? I long for a better way...
>
> --
> Rich Wild
> Senior Web Designer
>
> ---
> e-mango.com ltd  Tel: 01202 587 400
> Lansdowne Place  Fax: 01202 587 401
> 17 Holdenhurst Road
> Bournemouth   Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> BH8 8EW, UK  http://www.e-mango.com
> ---
> This message may contain information which is legally
> privileged and/or confidential.  If you are not the
> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution or use
> of this information is strictly prohibited. Such
> notification notwithstanding, any comments, opinions,
> information or conclusions expressed in this message
> are those of the originator, not of e-mango.com ltd,
> unless otherwise explicitly and independently indicated
> by an authorised representative of e-mango.com ltd.
> ---
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 03 August 2000 09:44
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Integrating with Flash
>
>
> I seldom use url variables.  I am sure that someone will respond with a
> url/form variable dissertation.  However, I generally have an action page
in
> the background that does all the work and I have flash pull the variables
> from it using flash's LoadVariables command.  I suppose this is more like
a
> form variable pass as the method is "post".  I don't have much time to get
> caught up in symantics, I just do what I think works the best.  You don't
> need text output per say, you can just use cfcontent.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rich Wild" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:03 AM
> Subject: RE: Integrating with Flash
>
>
> > Am I right in saying that you are limited to using URL variables when
> > controlling Flash movies though? That's what I've picked up anyway
> >
> > Kind of annoying if you have a lot of text to output...
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rich Wild
> > Senior Web Designer
> >
> > ---
> > e-mango.com ltd  Tel: 01202 587 400
> > Lansdowne Place  Fax: 01202 587 401
> > 17 Holdenhurst Road
> > Bournemouth   Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > BH8 8EW, UK  http://www.e-mango.com
> > ---
> > This message may contain information which is legally
> > privileged and/or confidential.  If you are not the
> > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> > unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution or use
> > of this information is strictly prohibited. Such
> > notification notwithstanding, any comments, opinions,
> > information or conclusions expressed in this message
> > are those of the originator, not of e-mango.com ltd,
> > unless otherwise explicitly and independently indicated
> > by an authorised representative of e-mango.com ltd.
> > ---
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 03 August 2000 08:53
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Integrating with Flash
> >
> >
> > I disagree.  Generator's main purpose was dynamic multimedia content.
Now
> > that you can us

Re: Integrating with Flash

[Sean Renet]

I seldom use url variables.  I am sure that someone will respond with a
url/form variable dissertation.  However, I generally have an action page in
the background that does all the work and I have flash pull the variables
from it using flash's LoadVariables command.  I suppose this is more like a
form variable pass as the method is "post".  I don't have much time to get
caught up in symantics, I just do what I think works the best.  You don't
need text output per say, you can just use cfcontent.
- Original Message -
From: "Rich Wild" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:03 AM
Subject: RE: Integrating with Flash


> Am I right in saying that you are limited to using URL variables when
> controlling Flash movies though? That's what I've picked up anyway
>
> Kind of annoying if you have a lot of text to output...
>
>
>
> --
> Rich Wild
> Senior Web Designer
>
> ---
> e-mango.com ltd  Tel: 01202 587 400
> Lansdowne Place  Fax: 01202 587 401
> 17 Holdenhurst Road
> Bournemouth   Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> BH8 8EW, UK  http://www.e-mango.com
> ---
> This message may contain information which is legally
> privileged and/or confidential.  If you are not the
> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution or use
> of this information is strictly prohibited. Such
> notification notwithstanding, any comments, opinions,
> information or conclusions expressed in this message
> are those of the originator, not of e-mango.com ltd,
> unless otherwise explicitly and independently indicated
> by an authorised representative of e-mango.com ltd.
> ---
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 03 August 2000 08:53
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Integrating with Flash
>
>
> I disagree.  Generator's main purpose was dynamic multimedia content.  Now
> that you can use CF to control Flash, Generator is no longer needed.
What's
> more is that you can integrate ram and swf files using smil files
> (http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-smil/). In such an enviroment you can use Flash
as
> a kind of dynamic quarterback to control Real Media files and integrate
the
> two simulatiously all controlled by CF (think DVD and CF is the remote
> control). What this basically means, is that you can now do what non web
> broadcast media cannot.  So the only time I would buy Generator is if
March
> 15 rolled around and I needed to buy something as a tax deduction.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jennifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 10:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Integrating with Flash
>
>
> > At 12:28 AM 8/3/00 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Special thanks goes out to Schlomy Gantz and the rest of the CFUN-2K
> people
> > >on a great conference.
> > >
> > >Schlomy made an inspiring presentation on CF integration with
Macromedia
> > >Flash. I've got a project that would definitely benefit from it. A few
> > >questions:
> > >
> > >Does anyone know of any good books/resources on building Flash clips?
> > >Are there any huge limitations to Flash integration without Generator?
> > >Is it worth waiting for Flash 5 to come out?
> >
> > I was privy to a conversation about flash integration without generator
> > last week ands the gist of the conversation was: it's a complete pain in
> > the butt. Supposedly generator makes it much easier. Without generator
it
> > is bad bad bad. That's all I know.
> >
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Re: Integrating with Flash

[Sean Renet]

I disagree.  Generator's main purpose was dynamic multimedia content.  Now
that you can use CF to control Flash, Generator is no longer needed.  What's
more is that you can integrate ram and swf files using smil files
(http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-smil/). In such an enviroment you can use Flash as
a kind of dynamic quarterback to control Real Media files and integrate the
two simulatiously all controlled by CF (think DVD and CF is the remote
control). What this basically means, is that you can now do what non web
broadcast media cannot.  So the only time I would buy Generator is if March
15 rolled around and I needed to buy something as a tax deduction.

- Original Message -
From: "Jennifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Integrating with Flash


> At 12:28 AM 8/3/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >Special thanks goes out to Schlomy Gantz and the rest of the CFUN-2K
people
> >on a great conference.
> >
> >Schlomy made an inspiring presentation on CF integration with Macromedia
> >Flash. I've got a project that would definitely benefit from it. A few
> >questions:
> >
> >Does anyone know of any good books/resources on building Flash clips?
> >Are there any huge limitations to Flash integration without Generator?
> >Is it worth waiting for Flash 5 to come out?
>
> I was privy to a conversation about flash integration without generator
> last week ands the gist of the conversation was: it's a complete pain in
> the butt. Supposedly generator makes it much easier. Without generator it
> is bad bad bad. That's all I know.
>
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Re: prevent users from quitting

[Sean Renet]

can you set client variables for his?
- Original Message -
From: "andrew kopelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 2:27 PM
Subject: prevent users from quitting


> I have a user/product registration process which takes several steps.
> Incomplete date occurs if a user quits the process at any point (by
closing
> the browser, etc), which is a problem.  One solution might be to collect
all
> the information from each step (into a structure or arrays), and do the
sql
> inserts at the very end.
>
> Is there another way to do this?  Is there a javascript command that would
> tell the cf server that the browser has been closed, and allow the program
> to 'rollback' the incomplete data?
>
> Thanks ahead of time.
> Andrew Kopelman
> 
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Re: Dynamically passing parameters to CFMODULE

[Sean Renet]

I get it. Sorry completely misunderstood the question. And I just read
Dave's answer, and that is how that is done...

I would tagify it.
- Original Message -
From: "Seth Petry-Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: Dynamically passing parameters to CFMODULE


> > John, this can be done using the formurl2attributes tag
>
> (for what its worth, I *AM* using the FormURL2Attributes tag)
>
> Perhaps you misunderstood my question.  I want to run a CFMODULE where the
> parameter NAMES provided to the module are themselves dynamic (not just
the
> value that is passed). To re-word my example in the hopes of making this
> more clear (at least I hope so):
>
> 1) I want to set a variable with a value.
> 2) I then want to run a CFMODULE where the VALUE of that variable is a
> PARAMETER NAME to the module. In essence I want to use CF to create a
block
> of CF code, and then execute that code.
>
> > What this tag does is it changes all of your url and form
> > variables to attributes variables (which incidently are the variables
> > cfmodule takes).
>
> That statement is a little misleading.  All data passed to a CFMODULE is
> available within the module in the Attributes scope.  It is a little
> incorrect to say that "CFMODULE takes variables in the Attributes scope".
I
> know what you meant to say, I'm just nit picking . My question,
however,
> deals with dynamically constructing and calling the module.
>
> Thanks a bunch for your response.
>
> Seth
>
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[Sean Renet]

Didn't get a chance to meet you in person Dave, but awesome speech.

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Re: Dynamically passing parameters to CFMODULE

[Sean Renet]

John, this can be done using the formurl2attributes tag which can be found
www.fusebox.org  What this tag does is it changes all of your url and form
variables to attributes variables (which incidently are the variables
cfmodule takes).  So no matter what you are passing, it will already be in
attributes scope and you are good to go.  Besides the ease of security and
code reuse, this is the main reason I program in Fusebox's methodology.

If you are interested there is a fusebox conference September 16 in
charlottsville, VA.  The information for the conference I beleive can also
be found on the fusebox website.
- Original Message -
From: "Seth Petry-Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 3:28 PM
Subject: Dynamically passing parameters to CFMODULE


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> List,
>
> Is there a way to dynamically define the parameters to a CFMODULE tag?
>
> For instance, lets say I have a variable called "strParamName".  If the
> value of this variable is "ProductName" then I want my CFMODULE to be
> executed as if I hardcoded it like so:
>  ProductName = "someval">
>
> However, if the variable has the value "ProductSKU" then I want the
CFMODULE
> to be executed as if I hardcoded it like so:
>  ProductSKU = "someval">
>
> In other words, I want to do something like:
>  #strParamName# = "someval"> (obviously this exact approach won't work)
>
> Exactly WHY I need this is a little complicated.  I *could* move the logic
> for this into the module itself, but I'd like to do it like I outlined
above
> if at all possible.  Does anyone have any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Seth Petry-Johnson
> Argo Enterprise and Associates
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Re: Problem Handling Sessions

[Sean Renet]

Well that is a problem...
Hmm I actually haven't done much testing with that as I use client variables
stored in a database.  If you use client variables, I think the lowest they
could time you out is 1 day because its set up to purge the tables not clear
ram.  They also might be more flexible about the amount of time before they
purge the tables, because it doesn't affect thier resources. Client
variables work just like Session variables functionally, the only draw back
is you are hitting the database to store them.  However this is a minor
performance hit when compared to the ease of scalability client variables
offer.
- Original Message -
From: "Eron Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: Problem Handling Sessions


> Hi Sean,
>
> Thanks for the help.  My problem with prolonging sessions is that I don't
> have access to the server admin.  They have the max timeout set to twenty
> minutes, so I don't think it matters what value I set the sessiontimeout
to
> be, it will not be longer than 20 minutes.  I am hoping there might be
some
> other way.
>
> Eron
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 12:08 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Problem Handling Sessions
>
>
> yes you need to pass session.urltoken around between frames.
>
> >From the docs
> SESSIONTIMEOUT
> Optional. Enter the CreateTimeSpan function and the values you want in
days,
> hours, minutes, and seconds, separated by commas to specify the lifespan
of
> any session variables that are set. The default value is specified in the
> Variables page of the ColdFusion Administrator.
>
> This means that only the default timeout is set up in the CF administrator
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Eron Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 8:58 PM
> Subject: Problem Handling Sessions
>
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I have two questions about sessions.
> >
> > 1)  I have an application that opens a pop-up javascript window with a
> form.
> > This  on the javascript window submits itself back to the template that
> > opened it.  It seemed to be working fine, but suddenly I am loosing my
> > session when the form is submitted.  (Its changing to a new CFID and
> > CFTOKEN).  The question is what could be causing me to loose the session
> in
> > this way and how do I fix this?  Do I have to start passing URLTOKEN
> around?
> >
> > 2) What methods can I use to prolong the length of a session?  I can't
> > change the timeout value because I am using an ISP.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Eron
> >
>
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Re: Verity on shared host

[Sean Renet]

I do a LOT of freelance work that ends up on shared hosts.  To date, I have
not worked with a host better than Interland.  Depending on what you are
doing, their set up can be a bit trying.  However, with the exception of
whatever Sprint thing happened in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago, I can't
remember ever being down.  When you have Tech questions, you actually talk
to a tech support person who not only has heard of coldfusion, but knows it
as well as you do.  And, I always seem to get a call from my sales rep
following and tech call.  Interland plays like a hosting company that is
really really hungry and wants to keep its clients.  Well that or have thier
current clients write reviews like this one :-).

I can't think of anything different about using cfsearch on a shard host.


- Original Message -
From: "Jeff Epstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 7:48 AM
Subject: Verity on shared host


>
> I am about strongly considering Interland as a shared hostif anybody
has
> any cautions please let me know.  One thing: Is there anything special
about
> using Verity  in a shared host environment?  Any questions I
> should be asking?
>
>
> Jeff Epstein
> Web Producer
>
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Re: Problem Handling Sessions

[Sean Renet]

yes you need to pass session.urltoken around between frames.

>From the docs
SESSIONTIMEOUT
Optional. Enter the CreateTimeSpan function and the values you want in days,
hours, minutes, and seconds, separated by commas to specify the lifespan of
any session variables that are set. The default value is specified in the
Variables page of the ColdFusion Administrator.

This means that only the default timeout is set up in the CF administrator

- Original Message -
From: "Eron Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 8:58 PM
Subject: Problem Handling Sessions


> Hi Folks,
>
> I have two questions about sessions.
>
> 1)  I have an application that opens a pop-up javascript window with a
form.
> This  on the javascript window submits itself back to the template that
> opened it.  It seemed to be working fine, but suddenly I am loosing my
> session when the form is submitted.  (Its changing to a new CFID and
> CFTOKEN).  The question is what could be causing me to loose the session
in
> this way and how do I fix this?  Do I have to start passing URLTOKEN
around?
>
> 2) What methods can I use to prolong the length of a session?  I can't
> change the timeout value because I am using an ISP.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eron
>
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Re: Frames ,Client Variables, and no cookies

[Sean Renet]

are you passing it (#session.urltoken# or #urltoken#) in the frame src?

eg., 
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 12:49 PM
Subject: Frames ,Client Variables, and no cookies


> I am having problems using client variables or session variables for
> that matter when I am in a framed enviroment. I know I have to append the
> client.token(I forget exactly what it is) at the end of the url. When I do
> this each page's CFID and CFTOKEN are different. Has anyone else had this
> problem? Can anyone help me?
>
>
> Robert Everland III
> Web Developer
> Dixon Ticonderoga
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