Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
Some of the dangers to this approach include: the amount of memory allocated to the JVM. If you stuff alot of data into the Application scope, it persists in the JVM allocated memory and it's not available to the rest of the system/application. You really can't change data in the Application scope without having to reload it. I generally use the Application scope for application wide CFC instantiation, the and not actual application wide data. Just my $.02 sas On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:53 AM, John Pullam jpul...@mcleansystems.com wrote: For what it's worth, the approach of storing a global data item in the application scope seems to be legit according to the documentation. Here's what it said in the CF10 doc: Application variables are a convenient place to store information that all pages of your application might need, no matter which client is running that application. Using application variables, an application could, for example, initialize itself when the first user accesses any page of that application. This information can then remain available indefinitely, thereby avoiding the overhead of repeated initialization. Because the data stored in application variables is available to all pages of an application, and remains available until a specific period of inactivity passes or the ColdFusion server shuts down, application variables are convenient for application-global, persistent data. However, because all clients running an application see the same set of application variables, these variables are not appropriate for client-specific or session-specific information. To target variables for specific clients, use client or session variables. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360042 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
For what it's worth, the approach of storing a global data item in the application scope seems to be legit according to the documentation. Here's what it said in the CF10 doc: Application variables are a convenient place to store information that all pages of your application might need, no matter which client is running that application. Using application variables, an application could, for example, initialize itself when the first user accesses any page of that application. This information can then remain available indefinitely, thereby avoiding the overhead of repeated initialization. Because the data stored in application variables is available to all pages of an application, and remains available until a specific period of inactivity passes or the ColdFusion server shuts down, application variables are convenient for application-global, persistent data. However, because all clients running an application see the same set of application variables, these variables are not appropriate for client-specific or session-specific information. To target variables for specific clients, use client or session variables. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360041 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
+1 On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: I'll add for the sake of brevity, please don't put application wide cfcs in session scope, as a hosting provider I have seen this kill a server. 5000 users = 5000 instances of the cfc. In most cases using a mapping solves the issues you have with cf not finding the cfc. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 17:00 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.com wrote: Some of the dangers to this approach include: the amount of memory allocated to the JVM. If you stuff alot of data into the Application scope, it persists in the JVM allocated memory and it's not available to the rest of the system/application. You really can't change data in the Application scope without having to reload it. I generally use the Application scope for application wide CFC instantiation, the and not actual application wide data. Just my $.02 sas On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:53 AM, John Pullam jpul...@mcleansystems.com javascript:; wrote: For what it's worth, the approach of storing a global data item in the application scope seems to be legit according to the documentation. Here's what it said in the CF10 doc: Application variables are a convenient place to store information that all pages of your application might need, no matter which client is running that application. Using application variables, an application could, for example, initialize itself when the first user accesses any page of that application. This information can then remain available indefinitely, thereby avoiding the overhead of repeated initialization. Because the data stored in application variables is available to all pages of an application, and remains available until a specific period of inactivity passes or the ColdFusion server shuts down, application variables are convenient for application-global, persistent data. However, because all clients running an application see the same set of application variables, these variables are not appropriate for client-specific or session-specific information. To target variables for specific clients, use client or session variables. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360044 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
I'll add for the sake of brevity, please don't put application wide cfcs in session scope, as a hosting provider I have seen this kill a server. 5000 users = 5000 instances of the cfc. In most cases using a mapping solves the issues you have with cf not finding the cfc. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 17:00 PM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.com wrote: Some of the dangers to this approach include: the amount of memory allocated to the JVM. If you stuff alot of data into the Application scope, it persists in the JVM allocated memory and it's not available to the rest of the system/application. You really can't change data in the Application scope without having to reload it. I generally use the Application scope for application wide CFC instantiation, the and not actual application wide data. Just my $.02 sas On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:53 AM, John Pullam jpul...@mcleansystems.com javascript:; wrote: For what it's worth, the approach of storing a global data item in the application scope seems to be legit according to the documentation. Here's what it said in the CF10 doc: Application variables are a convenient place to store information that all pages of your application might need, no matter which client is running that application. Using application variables, an application could, for example, initialize itself when the first user accesses any page of that application. This information can then remain available indefinitely, thereby avoiding the overhead of repeated initialization. Because the data stored in application variables is available to all pages of an application, and remains available until a specific period of inactivity passes or the ColdFusion server shuts down, application variables are convenient for application-global, persistent data. However, because all clients running an application see the same set of application variables, these variables are not appropriate for client-specific or session-specific information. To target variables for specific clients, use client or session variables. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360043 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
Were you using relative paths to the CFCs. That could become hairy if you move things around. I'll generally define a CFC path variable in the application.cfm then use that everywhere. Never had a problem. Of course, this assumes all the CFC's are in the same location. Robert Harrison Full Stack Developer AIMG rharri...@aimg.com Main Office: 704-321-1234 ext.118 Direct Line: 516-302-4345 www.aimg.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360023 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
Can you give us some code examples of how it 'used' to be setup? Where was the CFC saved. Where was the CFC called. How was it called. Etc. Not that fixing the actual problem will set you suddenly into best practices, but it will fix your current headache and then you can follow up with BP later when the fires are out. Thanks, William -- William Seiter -Original Message- From: John Pullam [mailto:jpul...@mcleansystems.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:57 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc I know this isn't ideal, but it is a live application and the decision to move the cfc's outside of the doc root was taken because CF was having trouble finding them (for no obvious reason). Code that has worked since CF7 started breaking. So we moved them and this problem began. I am looking for a quick solution for now, knowing that I need to develop a better one. I'm wondering about putting the variable in the Application scope? Do the cfc's have access to that? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360024 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
You will need to pass your session variables as a parameter in order to use them in the CFC, this is best practices anyways. The difficulty is that there a lot of cfc calls and some of them are in bind expressions so the chance of making errors is high. That's why I am so anxious to find one that doesn't make me change a lot of programming. Long term I will opt for a better solution. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360025 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Robert Harrison rharri...@aimg.com wrote: try adding an Application.cfc in the root physical directory I don't that that will work. It would still be a separate application pool, and I think you need the CFID and CFTOKEN cookies to have session vars. Did a simple test on CF10 and CF8 and this does seem to work. The only identifier for an application is the application name that I'm aware of, so I would guess the first Application.cfc to be called would be the one to initialize the application. Subsequent calls would set the session and application timeouts, thus setting them the same would be a good idea. That being said, Dean's proxy suggestion is probably best, since you would probably want the code to run from either application.cfc. I thought the directory structure might be like this. The proxy would still work, but would probably just need a cfmapping to the app root so the /cfc/application.cfc could find the /app/applicationproxy.cfc. /cfc /app /app/application.cfc ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360035 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
@Dean, Looked into this a bit further on CF10. root - Application.cfc - ApplicationProxy.cfc (extends Application) - cfc-folder - - Application.cfc (extends ApplicationProxy) - - myCFC.cfc This does not work without the cfc/application.cfc having extends=root.ApplicationProxy, where 'root' is a CF mapping. As you said, CF will search from the application root downward on the file system. Since there is an Application.cfc in the cfc folder, it would start there and not find the ApplicationProxy in the directory above. This would work if the actual root directory was cfusion/wwwroot, or maybe if both application.cfc had the same applicationName and the ApplicationProxy was used/cached in /root app somehow before /root/cfc was initialized. If you use a CF mapping the proxy is really not even necessary, as this does work. /cfc/application.cfc - cfcomponent extends=root.application Cheers, Byron On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com wrote: Byron, the ApplicationProxy.cfc needs to be in the root directory along with the main Application.cfc. When you extend a CFC, CF will first look in the same directory to see if that CFC exist. If it doesn't CF will start looking for the CFC from the application root down. So by simply adding extends=ApplicationProxy to the Application.cfc within the /cfc directory, CF will find the ApplicationProxy.cfc in the root, which in turn finds the Application.cfc in the root. No mappings are needed. T ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360039 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
Byron, the ApplicationProxy.cfc needs to be in the root directory along with the main Application.cfc. When you extend a CFC, CF will first look in the same directory to see if that CFC exist. If it doesn't CF will start looking for the CFC from the application root down. So by simply adding extends=ApplicationProxy to the Application.cfc within the /cfc directory, CF will find the ApplicationProxy.cfc in the root, which in turn finds the Application.cfc in the root. No mappings are needed. On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Robert Harrison rharri...@aimg.com wrote: try adding an Application.cfc in the root physical directory I don't that that will work. It would still be a separate application pool, and I think you need the CFID and CFTOKEN cookies to have session vars. Did a simple test on CF10 and CF8 and this does seem to work. The only identifier for an application is the application name that I'm aware of, so I would guess the first Application.cfc to be called would be the one to initialize the application. Subsequent calls would set the session and application timeouts, thus setting them the same would be a good idea. That being said, Dean's proxy suggestion is probably best, since you would probably want the code to run from either application.cfc. I thought the directory structure might be like this. The proxy would still work, but would probably just need a cfmapping to the app root so the /cfc/application.cfc could find the /app/applicationproxy.cfc. /cfc /app /app/application.cfc ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360036 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
Hmm, that's odd as I use that setup on numerous sites and I never have to map the applicationproxy. I am currently using it on both ACF 10 and 11, but I started using this around 8 or 9 and haven't changed it for new version. I don't believe that you could use the root.(dot) notation in 8 or 9, which if I remember correctly, predicated the use of the proxy. Every site is also housed in completely different directories, nowhere near the cfusion/wwwroot directory, so I am not sure why it is didn't work for you as well. Anyway, thanks for the additional info regarding cutting out the proxy step. On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Byron Mann byronos...@gmail.com wrote: @Dean, Looked into this a bit further on CF10. root - Application.cfc - ApplicationProxy.cfc (extends Application) - cfc-folder - - Application.cfc (extends ApplicationProxy) - - myCFC.cfc This does not work without the cfc/application.cfc having extends=root.ApplicationProxy, where 'root' is a CF mapping. As you said, CF will search from the application root downward on the file system. Since there is an Application.cfc in the cfc folder, it would start there and not find the ApplicationProxy in the directory above. This would work if the actual root directory was cfusion/wwwroot, or maybe if both application.cfc had the same applicationName and the ApplicationProxy was used/cached in /root app somehow before /root/cfc was initialized. If you use a CF mapping the proxy is really not even necessary, as this does work. /cfc/application.cfc - cfcomponent extends=root.application Cheers, Byron On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Dean Lawrence dean...@gmail.com wrote: Byron, the ApplicationProxy.cfc needs to be in the root directory along with the main Application.cfc. When you extend a CFC, CF will first look in the same directory to see if that CFC exist. If it doesn't CF will start looking for the CFC from the application root down. So by simply adding extends=ApplicationProxy to the Application.cfc within the /cfc directory, CF will find the ApplicationProxy.cfc in the root, which in turn finds the Application.cfc in the root. No mappings are needed. T ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360040 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Cannot access session variables in a cfc
My app is running in a CF10 system and since I moved my cfc's out of the document root, they are losing access to the session variables. It seems that they work for around a day and then can no longer be found. I initialize them in my application.cfm to a value and I can still cfdump them in a regular web page, but the cfc fails with the error Element XXX is undefined in SESSION. Is this normal behaviour? If it is, then what is the alternative method of passing a variable into the cfc (other than making it a parameter when calling)? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360014 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
What other method than session variables can I use to pass a common variable that won't require me to include it as a parameter of every calling routine? Since you've moved your CFCs out of the application I cannot think of any other method beside passing them all as arguments. Robert Harrison Full Stack Developer AIMG rharri...@aimg.com Main Office: 704-321-1234 ext.118 Direct Line: 516-302-4345 www.aimg.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360018 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
If you moved your cfc's above the application.cfc (or application.cfm) file, the session variables will not be accessible. Session and application vars are accessible from the application file down. Robert Harrison Full Stack Developer AIMG rharri...@aimg.com Main Office: 704-321-1234 ext.118 Direct Line: 516-302-4345 www.aimg.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360015 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
If you moved your cfc's above the application.cfc (or application.cfm) file, the session variables will not be accessible. Session and application vars are accessible from the application file down. That's what we did. What other method than session variables can I use to pass a common variable that won't require me to include it as a parameter of every calling routine? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360016 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
You shouldn't, as it breaks encapsulation. Any outside variables you would need inside a cfc should be passed into the cfc, either as part of your object initialization, or directly into a specific method. Cutter On 1/28/2015 10:25 AM, John Pullam wrote: If you moved your cfc's above the application.cfc (or application.cfm) file, the session variables will not be accessible. Session and application vars are accessible from the application file down. That's what we did. What other method than session variables can I use to pass a common variable that won't require me to include it as a parameter of every calling routine? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360017 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
Thanx. That's what I think I will do for the time being. It is hard for me to come up with all the symptoms that we started seeing on the cfc's now and I don't think I could do justice to any explanation of those issues. It seemed to me that it was all quite normal stuff. All pages and cfc's were in the same doc root. And I have had issues with cfc locations on my test system because it gets confused with localhost and virtual directories, so getting the cfc's into a separate folder had a certain appeal. I'm planning to do a big refresh on the app over the summer and this is going to be addressed then. In the meantime, I have my fingers crossed than an application scoped variable will get us through. Thanx again. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360027 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
You shouldn't, as it breaks encapsulation Honestly, I too think you should reconsider moving the CFC out of the web root. Maybe if you moved them out then created objects from them in the application.cfc, then you may be able to use session vars, as I think the objects would still be in the application. Robert Harrison Full Stack Developer AIMG rharri...@aimg.com Main Office: 704-321-1234 ext.118 Direct Line: 516-302-4345 www.aimg.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360020 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
You will need to pass your session variables as a parameter in order to use them in the CFC, this is best practices anyways. Good news, however, is that you can send them as a complete struct, you don't necessarily need to have them send all separately. cfargument name=sSession type=struct required=yes / Hope this helps, William -- William Seiter -Original Message- From: John Pullam [mailto:jpul...@mcleansystems.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:08 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Cannot access session variables in a cfc My app is running in a CF10 system and since I moved my cfc's out of the document root, they are losing access to the session variables. It seems that they work for around a day and then can no longer be found. I initialize them in my application.cfm to a value and I can still cfdump them in a regular web page, but the cfc fails with the error Element XXX is undefined in SESSION. Is this normal behaviour? If it is, then what is the alternative method of passing a variable into the cfc (other than making it a parameter when calling)? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360022 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
I know this isn't ideal, but it is a live application and the decision to move the cfc's outside of the doc root was taken because CF was having trouble finding them (for no obvious reason). Code that has worked since CF7 started breaking. So we moved them and this problem began. I am looking for a quick solution for now, knowing that I need to develop a better one. I'm wondering about putting the variable in the Application scope? Do the cfc's have access to that? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360021 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
Well, I'd hate to do this, but you could define an application.myvar type variable and put all the variables you need to pass in that as a structure or list, then send that variable in your arguments. That would get to one variable ... but then you're still going to need to deconstruct it before you could use them in the CFC's. Personally I think you should put your CFC's back and fix the problem that's making you move them in the first place. Robert Harrison Full Stack Developer AIMG rharri...@aimg.com Main Office: 704-321-1234 ext.118 Direct Line: 516-302-4345 www.aimg.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360026 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
While I agree it isn't a good practice to make use of scope variables in a CFC, try adding an Application.cfc in the root physical directory of your CFCs and use the same application name and session and app timeouts. I think this would work in older versions, but not too sure about more recent versions. On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 11:08 AM, John Pullam jpul...@mcleansystems.com wrote: My app is running in a CF10 system and since I moved my cfc's out of the document root, they are losing access to the session variables. It seems that they work for around a day and then can no longer be found. I initialize them in my application.cfm to a value and I can still cfdump them in a regular web page, but the cfc fails with the error Element XXX is undefined in SESSION. Is this normal behaviour? If it is, then what is the alternative method of passing a variable into the cfc (other than making it a parameter when calling)? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360030 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
try adding an Application.cfc in the root physical directory I don't that that will work. It would still be a separate application pool, and I think you need the CFID and CFTOKEN cookies to have session vars. Robert Harrison Full Stack Developer AIMG rharri...@aimg.com Main Office: 704-321-1234 ext.118 Direct Line: 516-302-4345 www.aimg.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360031 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
You could also extend the main application.cfc. You can't do this directly if the cfc's are in a sub-directory though. If that is the case, you could use a proxy, I do this all the time. Here would be the structure. root - Application.cfc - ApplicationProxy.cfc (extends Application) - cfc-folder - - Application.cfc (extends ApplicationProxy) - - myCFC.cfc You will probably want to also call super.onApplicationStart() from within the cfc folder Application.cfc's onApplicationStart() method. The same would hold true for onSessionStart(), you would want to call super.OnSessionStart(). This ensures that all the main application and session vars get initialized properly. On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Robert Harrison rharri...@aimg.com wrote: try adding an Application.cfc in the root physical directory I don't that that will work. It would still be a separate application pool, and I think you need the CFID and CFTOKEN cookies to have session vars. Robert Harrison Full Stack Developer AIMG rharri...@aimg.com Main Office: 704-321-1234 ext.118 Direct Line: 516-302-4345 www.aimg.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360032 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Cannot access session variables in a cfc
John, There are some pretty significant advancements to CFCs since CF 7, especially around scoping. You definitely want to look at the difference up the version chain. Cutter On 1/28/2015 12:02 PM, John Pullam wrote: Thanx. That's what I think I will do for the time being. It is hard for me to come up with all the symptoms that we started seeing on the cfc's now and I don't think I could do justice to any explanation of those issues. It seemed to me that it was all quite normal stuff. All pages and cfc's were in the same doc root. And I have had issues with cfc locations on my test system because it gets confused with localhost and virtual directories, so getting the cfc's into a separate folder had a certain appeal. I'm planning to do a big refresh on the app over the summer and this is going to be addressed then. In the meantime, I have my fingers crossed than an application scoped variable will get us through. Thanx again. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:360034 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Issue using CF to set Java server variables
The last few days, my production webserver has had an issue with Java unable to create cache files. This is triggered when firing a cfimage tag, pointing at a graphic file in the filesystem, the purpose of which is to retrieve the width/height values. As best I can tell (as this is generally outside my area of expertise), the issue is the default directory Java uses for this purpose has a) vanished or b) had its permissions reset to disallow access. The trick is, I don't know how to determine what this default directory is, to then check the filesystem to see what's what. I am able (using CF and createObject) tap into the Java method getCacheDirectory(), but the issue there is if this value isn't specifically set (i.e. the default is used), it returns a null value, and not the actual directory path being used. And I'm getting said null value, so that's of no help. I'm trying to use another method, setCacheDirectory(), to specifically set that value to a given location - but I cannot puzzle out the CF syntax to make this work. Below is the code I'm using to tap the getCacheDirectory() method, and what's not working on setCacheDirectory(). I'm creating an object to the File class first, to use for the get call, and then (as best I can tell according to some Java docs at Oracle) I need to reference that class in the set call. cfset objFile = createObject(java, java.io.File).init(expandPath(/))/ free space: #objFile.getFreeSpace()# (returns free space on server drive) cfset objImageIO = createObject(java, javax.imageio.ImageIO) / cache directory: #objImageIO.getCacheDirectory()#(returns null value) usecache: #objImageIO.getUseCache()#(returns true - true means file caching, false means memory caching) cfset x = objImageIO.setCacheDirectory(objFile, '/var/www/nnd/htdocs/imageCache/') This call fails with The setCacheDirectory method was not found. Basically I'm stumped on the syntax of the last call. I'm not even sure, should I get this worked out and the call is successful, that it will solve the cache-failing issue, but it's my best lead so far. Any assistance on this syntax problem would be greatly appreciated! --Scott ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359109 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
# in variables
Hey All, I've got an issue where an external program written in Adobe AIR is passing a pipe delimited list of values to CF via a webservice and that list may contain strings like so #94; (a caret symbol)or just a straight up # (like someone saying x# of y - short form for x number of y). BTW in Adobe AIR caret symbols in the data values in the list are being replaced with #94; because the caret is a special character in the pipe delimited list (it's used as a sub-list delimiter). CF chokes on the single pound in the variable (or confuses everything between 2 # as a variable name instead of simple values). I'm having quite the brain fart day and so I'm looking for a way to deal with this reality - any thoughts? TIA Take care -Bryan -- *Bryan Stevenson*B.Comm. President CEO Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. - makers of FACTS^(TM) phone: 250.480.0642 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com http://www.electricedgesystems.com and www.fisheryfacts.com http://www.fisheryfacts.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -CONFIDENTIALITY-- This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357614 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: # in variables
Run a Replace on the string of data, and change the single # to a double ## that then CF would process as a single one? On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: Hey All, I've got an issue where an external program written in Adobe AIR is passing a pipe delimited list of values to CF via a webservice and that list may contain strings like so #94; (a caret symbol)or just a straight up # (like someone saying x# of y - short form for x number of y). BTW in Adobe AIR caret symbols in the data values in the list are being replaced with #94; because the caret is a special character in the pipe delimited list (it's used as a sub-list delimiter). CF chokes on the single pound in the variable (or confuses everything between 2 # as a variable name instead of simple values). I'm having quite the brain fart day and so I'm looking for a way to deal with this reality - any thoughts? TIA Take care -Bryan -- *Bryan Stevenson*B.Comm. President CEO Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. - makers of FACTS^(TM) phone: 250.480.0642 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com mailto: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com http://www.electricedgesystems.com and www.fisheryfacts.com http://www.fisheryfacts.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -CONFIDENTIALITY-- This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357615 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: # in variables
BTWI forgot to mention that I control the Adobe AIR application and can alter it. This is all about a comments field in that application and I suppose one solution would be to ensure that my special list delimiter characters and # are kept out of the comments and this whole issue goes away ;-) but if there is a workable solution I always prefer to not restrict user entry in that way. Cheers *Bryan Stevenson*B.Comm. President CEO Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. - makers of FACTS^(TM) phone: 250.480.0642 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com http://www.electricedgesystems.com and www.fisheryfacts.com http://www.fisheryfacts.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -CONFIDENTIALITY-- This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. On 14-02-07 08:58 AM, Bryan Stevenson wrote: Hey All, I've got an issue where an external program written in Adobe AIR is passing a pipe delimited list of values to CF via a webservice and that list may contain strings like so #94; (a caret symbol)or just a straight up # (like someone saying x# of y - short form for x number of y). BTW in Adobe AIR caret symbols in the data values in the list are being replaced with #94; because the caret is a special character in the pipe delimited list (it's used as a sub-list delimiter). CF chokes on the single pound in the variable (or confuses everything between 2 # as a variable name instead of simple values). I'm having quite the brain fart day and so I'm looking for a way to deal with this reality - any thoughts? TIA Take care -Bryan ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357616 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: # in variables
if you control the air app, then just send ## instead of # On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: BTWI forgot to mention that I control the Adobe AIR application and can alter it. This is all about a comments field in that application and I suppose one solution would be to ensure that my special list delimiter characters and # are kept out of the comments and this whole issue goes away ;-) but if there is a workable solution I always prefer to not restrict user entry in that way. Cheers *Bryan Stevenson*B.Comm. President CEO Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. - makers of FACTS^(TM) phone: 250.480.0642 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com mailto: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com http://www.electricedgesystems.com and www.fisheryfacts.com http://www.fisheryfacts.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -CONFIDENTIALITY-- This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. On 14-02-07 08:58 AM, Bryan Stevenson wrote: Hey All, I've got an issue where an external program written in Adobe AIR is passing a pipe delimited list of values to CF via a webservice and that list may contain strings like so #94; (a caret symbol)or just a straight up # (like someone saying x# of y - short form for x number of y). BTW in Adobe AIR caret symbols in the data values in the list are being replaced with #94; because the caret is a special character in the pipe delimited list (it's used as a sub-list delimiter). CF chokes on the single pound in the variable (or confuses everything between 2 # as a variable name instead of simple values). I'm having quite the brain fart day and so I'm looking for a way to deal with this reality - any thoughts? TIA Take care -Bryan ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357617 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: # in variables
Thanks Robsorry I should have mentioned that was the first thing I tried (ye old double up the #), but the issue seems to be that when a variable arrives on CF's door with a single # in it, CF bombs when attempting to run the replace. Now I did say seemsthe way my day has goneI will re-test that to make dang sure ;-) Cheers On 14-02-07 09:08 AM, Rob Parkhill wrote: Run a Replace on the string of data, and change the single # to a double ## that then CF would process as a single one? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357618 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: # in variables
I thought the #'s were inside the list. If not and you control the AIR app, then just add the replace on the other end, as Russ suggested. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: Thanks Robsorry I should have mentioned that was the first thing I tried (ye old double up the #), but the issue seems to be that when a variable arrives on CF's door with a single # in it, CF bombs when attempting to run the replace. Now I did say seemsthe way my day has goneI will re-test that to make dang sure ;-) Cheers On 14-02-07 09:08 AM, Rob Parkhill wrote: Run a Replace on the string of data, and change the single # to a double ## that then CF would process as a single one? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357619 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: # in variables
Thanks Rob/Russstarting to think I will either do as you both suggested and replace # with ## in the AIR app or do as I also mentioned and not allow the few characters I'd have issues with (most users don't need ~,|,^, or # in comments# being the most likely, but they can use No. or Num or Number or pounds or lbs as acceptable replacements). Sometimes you just have to back away one step from perfect and become practical ;-) Cheers *Bryan Stevenson*B.Comm. President CEO Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. - makers of FACTS^(TM) phone: 250.480.0642 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com http://www.electricedgesystems.com and www.fisheryfacts.com http://www.fisheryfacts.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -CONFIDENTIALITY-- This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. On 14-02-07 09:28 AM, Rob Parkhill wrote: I thought the #'s were inside the list. If not and you control the AIR app, then just add the replace on the other end, as Russ suggested. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: Thanks Robsorry I should have mentioned that was the first thing I tried (ye old double up the #), but the issue seems to be that when a variable arrives on CF's door with a single # in it, CF bombs when attempting to run the replace. Now I did say seemsthe way my day has goneI will re-test that to make dang sure ;-) Cheers On 14-02-07 09:08 AM, Rob Parkhill wrote: Run a Replace on the string of data, and change the single # to a double ## that then CF would process as a single one? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357620 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: # in variables
There are a few formatting functions in cf you might want to try that spring top mind. UrlEncodedFormat, htmlEditFormat I think. Look at the string and list functions on live docs. On Feb 7, 2014 12:29 PM, Rob Parkhill robert.parkh...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the #'s were inside the list. If not and you control the AIR app, then just add the replace on the other end, as Russ suggested. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: Thanks Robsorry I should have mentioned that was the first thing I tried (ye old double up the #), but the issue seems to be that when a variable arrives on CF's door with a single # in it, CF bombs when attempting to run the replace. Now I did say seemsthe way my day has goneI will re-test that to make dang sure ;-) Cheers On 14-02-07 09:08 AM, Rob Parkhill wrote: Run a Replace on the string of data, and change the single # to a double ## that then CF would process as a single one? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357621 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: # in variables
Encode/serialize the data prior to hand off to cf? On Feb 7, 2014 12:37 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: Thanks Rob/Russstarting to think I will either do as you both suggested and replace # with ## in the AIR app or do as I also mentioned and not allow the few characters I'd have issues with (most users don't need ~,|,^, or # in comments# being the most likely, but they can use No. or Num or Number or pounds or lbs as acceptable replacements). Sometimes you just have to back away one step from perfect and become practical ;-) Cheers *Bryan Stevenson*B.Comm. President CEO Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. - makers of FACTS^(TM) phone: 250.480.0642 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com mailto: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com http://www.electricedgesystems.com and www.fisheryfacts.com http://www.fisheryfacts.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -CONFIDENTIALITY-- This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. On 14-02-07 09:28 AM, Rob Parkhill wrote: I thought the #'s were inside the list. If not and you control the AIR app, then just add the replace on the other end, as Russ suggested. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: Thanks Robsorry I should have mentioned that was the first thing I tried (ye old double up the #), but the issue seems to be that when a variable arrives on CF's door with a single # in it, CF bombs when attempting to run the replace. Now I did say seemsthe way my day has goneI will re-test that to make dang sure ;-) Cheers On 14-02-07 09:08 AM, Rob Parkhill wrote: Run a Replace on the string of data, and change the single # to a double ## that then CF would process as a single one? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357622 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: # in variables
Bryan, For clarification, how are the comments content being evaluated by CF and causing it to choke? It seems to me that those should be handled as strings and that they wouldnt be evaluated by CF, unless they are wrapped in an eval(). If the whole string from a user comment is being evaluated, that seems like a possible security issue. Since youre dealing with a pipe-delimited list, can you migrate them to a variable-safe array with listToArray(mypipelist,|,true) and process them that way? It seems to me that a regex replacement of #([^;]*); with #chr(\1)# should allow for the characters to be rendered correctly and then re-run the replacement to double # the remaining pound symbols - even if CF is evaluating them. Jon On Feb 7, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: Thanks Rob/Russstarting to think I will either do as you both suggested and replace # with ## in the AIR app or do as I also mentioned and not allow the few characters I'd have issues with (most users don't need ~,|,^, or # in comments# being the most likely, but they can use No. or Num or Number or pounds or lbs as acceptable replacements). Sometimes you just have to back away one step from perfect and become practical ;-) Cheers *Bryan Stevenson*B.Comm. President CEO Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. - makers of FACTS^(TM) phone: 250.480.0642 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com http://www.electricedgesystems.com and www.fisheryfacts.com http://www.fisheryfacts.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -CONFIDENTIALITY-- This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. On 14-02-07 09:28 AM, Rob Parkhill wrote: I thought the #'s were inside the list. If not and you control the AIR app, then just add the replace on the other end, as Russ suggested. On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: Thanks Robsorry I should have mentioned that was the first thing I tried (ye old double up the #), but the issue seems to be that when a variable arrives on CF's door with a single # in it, CF bombs when attempting to run the replace. Now I did say seemsthe way my day has goneI will re-test that to make dang sure ;-) Cheers On 14-02-07 09:08 AM, Rob Parkhill wrote: Run a Replace on the string of data, and change the single # to a double ## that then CF would process as a single one? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357623 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: # in variables
On 7 February 2014 18:07, Jon Clausen jon_clau...@silowebworks.com wrote: Bryan, For clarification, how are the comments content being evaluated by CF and causing it to choke? It seems to me that those should be handled as strings and that they wouldn't be evaluated by CF, unless they are wrapped in an eval(). Seconded. I think people are suggesting treating a symptom here, rather than the problem. How is this problem of yours manifesting itself? CF chokes on the single pound in the variable is not a very clear description of what's going wrong. Can you pls clarify? -- Adam ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357624 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: # in variables
My guess is much like Tim Healt's. If you're calling a web service like a WSDL/SOAP service, the # should be fine. If you're calling it directly via URL params, like ?method=xargument1=v#riable, the # is a sign to your web server that the URL params stop there - it's a href hash, which goes to the browser not the server. If that's the case, then URL encoding on the client would be necessary. The bad news is URL encoding may pass on this because # is a valid URL parameter, just not what you want. In that case, you may have to manually replace # with %23. nathan strutz [www.dopefly.com] [about.me/nathanstrutz] On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Adam Cameron dacc...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 February 2014 18:07, Jon Clausen jon_clau...@silowebworks.com wrote: Bryan, For clarification, how are the comments content being evaluated by CF and causing it to choke? It seems to me that those should be handled as strings and that they wouldn't be evaluated by CF, unless they are wrapped in an eval(). Seconded. I think people are suggesting treating a symptom here, rather than the problem. How is this problem of yours manifesting itself? CF chokes on the single pound in the variable is not a very clear description of what's going wrong. Can you pls clarify? -- Adam ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357625 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: # in variables
Hi All, Thanks for the additional ideas and requests for clarification - I'm stopping this by not allowing a few special characters in the comments... That said CF appears to error out when it receives the string of data that contains single # or two # separated by string text being confused as a CF variable. It errors out when attempting to run a replace() on the entire received string (again I need to double check that is in fact what I am seeing). There is no time that I use eval() on the received data - no worries on security issues as was mentioned. I decided to not allow these few characters because the chance of them being used in the context of the application is VERY slimand for the one character (#) that has a greater chance of being used, there are acceptable alternatives to the use of #. This comments field is optional and rarely usedfurther lessening the chances of these special characters being entered - just not the hill to die on ;-) Code is already changed - compiling now ;-) Have a great weekend everyone - thanks again! *Bryan Stevenson*B.Comm. President CEO Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. - makers of FACTS^(TM) phone: 250.480.0642 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com http://www.electricedgesystems.com and www.fisheryfacts.com http://www.fisheryfacts.com Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -CONFIDENTIALITY-- This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357626 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Variables, scopes, and referencing, oh my
Lately I've been furiously modifying my main work project codebase, going through old (old!) code bits and reworking where I could, to modernize (i.e. take advantage of functions/tags that didn't exist back in the day) and/or just increase efficiency. I fully expect my keyboard to just say I've had enough and commit suicide any time now. One of the things I've been dealing with is my past slackness re: variables and scopes, and the crossing of scopes. I've been tossing in Duplicate() around many scope/var bits when, say, setting a particular variable in an application scoped structure to equal an unscoped var, or a session scoped var. The idea behind that is (and I'm sure I'm not telling anyone anything they don't know) is that a straight up application.var = session.var just creates a reference, and doesn't copy by value. So - when running a particular script that uses variables in the app/session scopes, for example, is it all that crucial when going the other way? Is going with variables.var = application.var a bad thing, considering that application var is *not* likely to go away anytime soon? Or is it best practice to still copy by value? In such a scenario, should that app scope var change in mid-stream for whatever reason (unlikely), I assume the variables scope var, being a reference, would reflect that change. Assuming there's zero risk of said app scope var changing/vanishing over the execution time of the script, wouldn't the copy-by-reference be just a smidge less of a resource usage than copying by value? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:353544 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Loss of variables after switch from application.cfm to application.cfc in FB 3 application
That was perfect Matt. Thank you. Nick Return-Path: listmas...@houseoffusion.com Received: from mail.houseoffusion.com [64.118.74.225] by mail67.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:25:03 -0500 To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Message-ID: CAKa5oqLv2tFXLzyc2zS=mmu=D3TzGXLE9vEprxisKiOet+S=z...@mail.gmail.com Subject: Re: Loss of variables after switch from application.cfm to application.cfc in FB 3 application References: 355f13cb$34d4cb1f$54e8dc90$@com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:24:28 -0600 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com From: Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rcpt-To: n.glea...@citysoft.com X-SmarterMail-Spam: SpamAssassin 0 [raw: 0], SPF_None, DK_None X-SmarterMail-TotalSpamWeight: 0 Just a wild guess here: The file in question is being d and the variables it is setting are getting set into the Application.cfc's variables scope, and therefore unavailable elsewhere. On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Nick Gleason wrote: Hi folks, Bit of a head scratcher here which I'm hoping may be obvious to you all. We've got a Fusebox 3 application which we have recently converted from application.cfm to application.cfc. One puzzling result has been that during a single page request, an attributes variable that is set in a file called from application.cfc (and formerly from application.cfm) is no longer present once we get down the line in the code flow to displaying the page. That is, when we go back to application.cfm, the variable is available down the line for the page display. But, when application.cfc is used, the variable is available when it is first called and set, but then has disappeared by the time the page flow gets to the file where the page display is done. So, it seems that some variables in a single request are not as persistent with application.cfc, at least in a FB 3 context? That seems surprising but I can't really come up with another explanation. And, so far, we haven't been able to figure out exactly where or why the attributes variable is getting dropped. Any thoughts? Nick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:353102 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Loss of variables after switch from application.cfm to application.cfc in FB 3 application
Matt, others, A quick follow up on this. It seems that request variables have no problem persisting if called / set within an application.cfc. Is that right? Nick Return-Path: listmas...@houseoffusion.com Received: from mail.houseoffusion.com [64.118.74.225] by mail67.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:25:03 -0500 To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Message-ID: CAKa5oqLv2tFXLzyc2zS=mmu=D3TzGXLE9vEprxisKiOet+S=z...@mail.gmail.com Subject: Re: Loss of variables after switch from application.cfm to application.cfc in FB 3 application References: 355f13cb$34d4cb1f$54e8dc90$@com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:24:28 -0600 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com From: Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rcpt-To: n.glea...@citysoft.com X-SmarterMail-Spam: SpamAssassin 0 [raw: 0], SPF_None, DK_None X-SmarterMail-TotalSpamWeight: 0 Just a wild guess here: The file in question is being d and the variables it is setting are getting set into the Application.cfc's variables scope, and therefore unavailable elsewhere. On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Nick Gleason wrote: Hi folks, Bit of a head scratcher here which I'm hoping may be obvious to you all. We've got a Fusebox 3 application which we have recently converted from application.cfm to application.cfc. One puzzling result has been that during a single page request, an attributes variable that is set in a file called from application.cfc (and formerly from application.cfm) is no longer present once we get down the line in the code flow to displaying the page. That is, when we go back to application.cfm, the variable is available down the line for the page display. But, when application.cfc is used, the variable is available when it is first called and set, but then has disappeared by the time the page flow gets to the file where the page display is done. So, it seems that some variables in a single request are not as persistent with application.cfc, at least in a FB 3 context? That seems surprising but I can't really come up with another explanation. And, so far, we haven't been able to figure out exactly where or why the attributes variable is getting dropped. Any thoughts? Nick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:353103 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Loss of variables after switch from application.cfm to application.cfc in FB 3 application
Depending upon where/how they're called/set, that is true. No problem at all setting/calling request.foo within Application.cfc. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Nick Gleason n.glea...@citysoft.com wrote: Matt, others, A quick follow up on this. It seems that request variables have no problem persisting if called / set within an application.cfc. Is that right? Nick Return-Path: listmas...@houseoffusion.com Received: from mail.houseoffusion.com [64.118.74.225] by mail67.safesecureweb.com with SMTP; Mon, 5 Nov 2012 15:25:03 -0500 To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Message-ID: CAKa5oqLv2tFXLzyc2zS=mmu=D3TzGXLE9vEprxisKiOet+S=z...@mail.gmail.com Subject: Re: Loss of variables after switch from application.cfm to application.cfc in FB 3 application References: 355f13cb$34d4cb1f$54e8dc90$@com Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:24:28 -0600 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com From: Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rcpt-To: n.glea...@citysoft.com X-SmarterMail-Spam: SpamAssassin 0 [raw: 0], SPF_None, DK_None X-SmarterMail-TotalSpamWeight: 0 Just a wild guess here: The file in question is being d and the variables it is setting are getting set into the Application.cfc's variables scope, and therefore unavailable elsewhere. On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Nick Gleason wrote: Hi folks, Bit of a head scratcher here which I'm hoping may be obvious to you all. We've got a Fusebox 3 application which we have recently converted from application.cfm to application.cfc. One puzzling result has been that during a single page request, an attributes variable that is set in a file called from application.cfc (and formerly from application.cfm) is no longer present once we get down the line in the code flow to displaying the page. That is, when we go back to application.cfm, the variable is available down the line for the page display. But, when application.cfc is used, the variable is available when it is first called and set, but then has disappeared by the time the page flow gets to the file where the page display is done. So, it seems that some variables in a single request are not as persistent with application.cfc, at least in a FB 3 context? That seems surprising but I can't really come up with another explanation. And, so far, we haven't been able to figure out exactly where or why the attributes variable is getting dropped. Any thoughts? Nick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:353104 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Loss of variables after switch from application.cfm to application.cfc in FB 3 application
Hi folks, Bit of a head scratcher here which I'm hoping may be obvious to you all. We've got a Fusebox 3 application which we have recently converted from application.cfm to application.cfc. One puzzling result has been that during a single page request, an attributes variable that is set in a file called from application.cfc (and formerly from application.cfm) is no longer present once we get down the line in the code flow to displaying the page. That is, when we go back to application.cfm, the variable is available down the line for the page display. But, when application.cfc is used, the variable is available when it is first called and set, but then has disappeared by the time the page flow gets to the file where the page display is done. So, it seems that some variables in a single request are not as persistent with application.cfc, at least in a FB 3 context? That seems surprising but I can't really come up with another explanation. And, so far, we haven't been able to figure out exactly where or why the attributes variable is getting dropped. Any thoughts? Nick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:353065 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Loss of variables after switch from application.cfm to application.cfc in FB 3 application
Just a wild guess here: The file in question is being cfincluded and the variables it is setting are getting set into the Application.cfc's variables scope, and therefore unavailable elsewhere. On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Nick Gleason n.glea...@citysoft.com wrote: Hi folks, Bit of a head scratcher here which I'm hoping may be obvious to you all. We've got a Fusebox 3 application which we have recently converted from application.cfm to application.cfc. One puzzling result has been that during a single page request, an attributes variable that is set in a file called from application.cfc (and formerly from application.cfm) is no longer present once we get down the line in the code flow to displaying the page. That is, when we go back to application.cfm, the variable is available down the line for the page display. But, when application.cfc is used, the variable is available when it is first called and set, but then has disappeared by the time the page flow gets to the file where the page display is done. So, it seems that some variables in a single request are not as persistent with application.cfc, at least in a FB 3 context? That seems surprising but I can't really come up with another explanation. And, so far, we haven't been able to figure out exactly where or why the attributes variable is getting dropped. Any thoughts? Nick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:353066 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Maximum Post Variables
Hi All, I'm running into an issue, where when I create over 100 different form elements with different content I get a 500 error. I'd like to increase this number up from 100 however I can't find an area to do this. My original thought was that it was in the ColdFusion Administrator -- settings -- Maximum size of post data however, when I upped this, it had no effect on the number of post variables. I think this setting seems to be the post variable size, as like for file uploads ect... I'm running on ColdFusion 9.0.2 and when I run the code below and hit submit I receive an error. Anyone have any ideas? form action= method=post cfoutput cfloop from=1 to=100 index=i input name=txtBox#i# type=hidden value=txtValue#i# / /cfloop /cfoutput input type=submit name=txtButton / /form ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351760 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Maximum Post Variables
Hi All, I'm running into an issue, where when I create over 100 different form elements with different content I get a 500 error. I'd like to increase this number up from 100 however I can't find an area to do this. My original thought was that it was in the ColdFusion Administrator -- settings -- Maximum size of post data however, when I upped this, it had no effect on the number of post variables. I think this setting seems to be the post variable size, as like for file uploads ect... I'm running on ColdFusion 9.0.2 and when I run the code below and hit submit I receive an error. Anyone have any ideas? form action= method=post cfoutput cfloop from=1 to=100 index=i input name=txtBox#i# type=hidden value=txtValue#i# / /cfloop /cfoutput input type=submit name=txtButton / /form ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351761 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Maximum Post Variables
There are several blogs that talk about this. It is a 'setting' http://www.cutterscrossing.com/index.cfm/2012/3/27/ColdFusion-Security-Hotfix-and-Big-Forms Here's one. Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Paul Alkema wrote: Hi All, I'm running into an issue, where when I create over 100 different form elements with different content I get a 500 error. I'd like to increase this number up from 100 however I can't find an area to do this. My original thought was that it was in the ColdFusion Administrator -- settings -- Maximum size of post data however, when I upped this, it had no effect on the number of post variables. I think this setting seems to be the post variable size, as like for file uploads ect... I'm running on ColdFusion 9.0.2 and when I run the code below and hit submit I receive an error. Anyone have any ideas? form action= method=post cfoutput cfloop from=1 to=100 index=i input name=txtBox#i# type=hidden value=txtValue#i# / /cfloop /cfoutput input type=submit name=txtButton / /form ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351762 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Maximum Post Variables
Paul, Take a look at the 9.0.2 release notes: http://helpx.adobe.com/coldfusion/release-note/coldfusion-9-0-update-2.html The Maximum size of post data is for the size (in MB) of posting data and/or files in a post request, not the number of parameters allowed in a post request. You'll need to edit the neo-runtime.xml file per the release notes to increase the number of parameters allowed. HTH, Carl On 6/29/2012 1:55 PM, Paul Alkema wrote: Hi All, I'm running into an issue, where when I create over 100 different form elements with different content I get a 500 error. I'd like to increase this number up from 100 however I can't find an area to do this. My original thought was that it was in the ColdFusion Administrator -- settings -- Maximum size of post data however, when I upped this, it had no effect on the number of post variables. I think this setting seems to be the post variable size, as like for file uploads ect... I'm running on ColdFusion 9.0.2 and when I run the code below and hit submit I receive an error. Anyone have any ideas? form action= method=post cfoutput cfloop from=1 to=100 index=i input name=txtBox#i# type=hidden value=txtValue#i# / /cfloop /cfoutput input type=submit name=txtButton / /form ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351763 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Maximum Post Variables
Hi Wil, This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!! Paul There are several blogs that talk about this. It is a 'setting' http://www.cutterscrossing.com/index. cfm/2012/3/27/ColdFusion-Security-Hotfix-and-Big-Forms Here's one. Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Jun 29, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Paul Alkema wrote: Hi All, I'm running into an issue, where when I create over 100 different form elements with different content I get a 500 error. I'd like to increase this number up from 100 however I can't find an area to do this. My original thought was that it was in the ColdFusion Administrator -- settings -- Maximum size of post data however, when I upped this, it had no effect on the number of post variables. I think this setting seems to be the post variable size, as like for file uploads ect... I'm running on ColdFusion 9.0.2 and when I run the code below and hit submit I receive an error. Anyone have any ideas? form action= method=post cfoutput cfloop from=1 to=100 index=i input name=txtBox#i# type=hidden value=txtValue#i# / /cfloop /cfoutput input type=submit name=txtButton / /form ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351764 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Variables
Greetings, just need some help to understand how CF works in regards to variables. Can CF might mix-up the variables, unless the variables are in the session? Is this sufficient? cfset var = GetAuthUser() or should I say cfset session.var = GetAuthUser() It is just a variable that is used to hold data which will be processed, but the data is different from user to user. Do not want to process one user's data in place of another. Appreciate it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351200 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Variables
If it's a local variable in a function, you'll scope it as local.varname If it's a local variable in a CFM page, you'll scope it as variables.varname if it's in the request scope, then it's request.varname if it's in the session, then it's session.varname application, application.varname form, form.varname ad nauseum.. On 5/16/2012 9:26 AM, N kips wrote: Greetings, just need some help to understand how CF works in regards to variables. Can CF might mix-up the variables, unless the variables are in the session? Is this sufficient? cfset var = GetAuthUser() or should I say cfset session.var = GetAuthUser() It is just a variable that is used to hold data which will be processed, but the data is different from user to user. Do not want to process one user's data in place of another. Appreciate it. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351201 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Variables
If the var is used only within a single program a regular local var is fine. If the var needs to persist and be recalled from another program later (i.e., a program where the var is not passed as a URL or form value), then use the session.var. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austi ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351202 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Variables
The larger question here is developing an understanding of the scopes available in ColdFusion and why you would or wouldn't use them. This is a very fundamental thing that's quite important to understand in order to develop quality ColdFusion applications. Before continuing I'd recommend reading the following: Adobe ColdFusion 9 * Scope types http://adobe.ly/KfuPoP Adobe ColdFusion 9 * Using scopes http://adobe.ly/KfuYsi Adobe ColdFusion 9 * CFC variables and scope http://adobe.ly/Kfv5E5 Hope that helps... -Cameron On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:26 AM, N kips nich...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, just need some help to understand how CF works in regards to variables. Can CF might mix-up the variables, unless the variables are in the session? Is this sufficient? cfset var = GetAuthUser() or should I say cfset session.var = GetAuthUser() It is just a variable that is used to hold data which will be processed, but the data is different from user to user. Do not want to process one user's data in place of another. Appreciate it. -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351203 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Variables
Also, be careful using var as a variable name. It is a reserved keyword in ColdFusion. As Scott mentioned, you can make a variable local to a function by calling it local.varname. You can also make it local to a function by using the var keyword when you create the variable: cfset var foo = bar HTH, Carl ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:351206 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Session variables not working
Thanks for that reminder... it's been years since I've even used cflocation! My how knowledge, unused, is fleeting... -Original Message- From: Azadi Saryev [mailto:azadi.sar...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 9:20 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Session variables not working In your cflocation tag include addtoken=no attribute to prevent CFID/CFTOKEN vars from being appended to the url. I'll also suggest you set your server to use J2EE sessions in CF Administrator, if you have not done so already. Azadi On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 04:36, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Well, after quickly throwing together an application.cfc, I can see that it is necessary. It attached the CFID and CFTOKEN to the URL. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:29 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Session variables not working There's no application.cfc at this point...the only two pages involved are what's in this email. Is enabling session management in an application.cfc necessary for session management to work? As you can see below when I use: cfset session.name = 'rick' and then output that with: cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get 'rick'... But that's on the same page. Would that work but not session variables between pages with session management being enabled in application.cfc? Rick -Original Message- From: Steve Milburn [mailto:scmilb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Session variables not working Have you enabled session management in the application.cfc? On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: It's been awhile since I used session variables, but this is simple. Why won't this work? session-test.cfm cfset session.name = 'rick' cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput cflocation url=session-test-2.cfm session-test-2.cfm -- cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get the error 'Element NAME is undefined in SESSION.' ??? Session variables are specified for use in CFADMIN. Am I missing something REALLY simple or obvious? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350125 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Session variables not working
I normally use an application.cfc, but this was just a quick proof-of-concept that I threw together to test something. -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:james.hol...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 10:56 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Session variables not working Actually, a cfapplication tag will work fine outside of Application.cfm so technically this isn't true. Of course it makes sense to use Application.cfm or Application.cfc. -- Shu Ha Ri: Agile and .NET blog http://www.bifrost.com.au/ On 28 February 2012 04:36, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: yes you must have an application.cfm/cfc in order to enable session variables. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: There's no application.cfc at this point...the only two pages involved are what's in this email. Is enabling session management in an application.cfc necessary for session management to work? As you can see below when I use: cfset session.name = 'rick' and then output that with: cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get 'rick'... But that's on the same page. Would that work but not session variables between pages with session management being enabled in application.cfc? Rick -Original Message- From: Steve Milburn [mailto:scmilb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Session variables not working Have you enabled session management in the application.cfc? On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: It's been awhile since I used session variables, but this is simple. Why won't this work? session-test.cfm cfset session.name = 'rick' cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput cflocation url=session-test-2.cfm session-test-2.cfm -- cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get the error 'Element NAME is undefined in SESSION.' ??? Session variables are specified for use in CFADMIN. Am I missing something REALLY simple or obvious? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350126 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Session variables not working
Thanks, Jay! Rick -Original Message- From: Jay Pandya [mailto:jaypandy...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:49 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Session variables not working Hi Rick, When you are using session variables and you want to get its value in other page after using cflocation then you need to enable seclientcookies true in cfapplication tag. More description you can read on http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/help.html?content=Tags_a-b_5 .html read Setclientcokies description. Thank You Jay Pandya It's been awhile since I used session variables, but this is simple. Why won't this work? session-test.cfm cfset session.name = 'rick' cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput cflocation url=session-test-2.cfm session-test-2.cfm -- cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get the error 'Element NAME is undefined in SESSION.' ??? Session variables are specified for use in CFADMIN. Am I missing something REALLY simple or obvious? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350127 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Session variables not working
It's been awhile since I used session variables, but this is simple. Why won't this work? session-test.cfm cfset session.name = 'rick' cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput cflocation url=session-test-2.cfm session-test-2.cfm -- cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get the error 'Element NAME is undefined in SESSION.' ??? Session variables are specified for use in CFADMIN. Am I missing something REALLY simple or obvious? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350108 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Session variables not working
Have you enabled session management in the application.cfc? On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: It's been awhile since I used session variables, but this is simple. Why won't this work? session-test.cfm cfset session.name = 'rick' cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput cflocation url=session-test-2.cfm session-test-2.cfm -- cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get the error 'Element NAME is undefined in SESSION.' ??? Session variables are specified for use in CFADMIN. Am I missing something REALLY simple or obvious? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350110 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Session variables not working
There's no application.cfc at this point...the only two pages involved are what's in this email. Is enabling session management in an application.cfc necessary for session management to work? As you can see below when I use: cfset session.name = 'rick' and then output that with: cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get 'rick'... But that's on the same page. Would that work but not session variables between pages with session management being enabled in application.cfc? Rick -Original Message- From: Steve Milburn [mailto:scmilb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Session variables not working Have you enabled session management in the application.cfc? On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: It's been awhile since I used session variables, but this is simple. Why won't this work? session-test.cfm cfset session.name = 'rick' cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput cflocation url=session-test-2.cfm session-test-2.cfm -- cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get the error 'Element NAME is undefined in SESSION.' ??? Session variables are specified for use in CFADMIN. Am I missing something REALLY simple or obvious? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350112 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Session variables not working
yes you must have an application.cfm/cfc in order to enable session variables. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: There's no application.cfc at this point...the only two pages involved are what's in this email. Is enabling session management in an application.cfc necessary for session management to work? As you can see below when I use: cfset session.name = 'rick' and then output that with: cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get 'rick'... But that's on the same page. Would that work but not session variables between pages with session management being enabled in application.cfc? Rick -Original Message- From: Steve Milburn [mailto:scmilb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Session variables not working Have you enabled session management in the application.cfc? On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: It's been awhile since I used session variables, but this is simple. Why won't this work? session-test.cfm cfset session.name = 'rick' cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput cflocation url=session-test-2.cfm session-test-2.cfm -- cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get the error 'Element NAME is undefined in SESSION.' ??? Session variables are specified for use in CFADMIN. Am I missing something REALLY simple or obvious? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350114 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Session variables not working
Well, after quickly throwing together an application.cfc, I can see that it is necessary. It attached the CFID and CFTOKEN to the URL. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:29 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Session variables not working There's no application.cfc at this point...the only two pages involved are what's in this email. Is enabling session management in an application.cfc necessary for session management to work? As you can see below when I use: cfset session.name = 'rick' and then output that with: cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get 'rick'... But that's on the same page. Would that work but not session variables between pages with session management being enabled in application.cfc? Rick -Original Message- From: Steve Milburn [mailto:scmilb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Session variables not working Have you enabled session management in the application.cfc? On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: It's been awhile since I used session variables, but this is simple. Why won't this work? session-test.cfm cfset session.name = 'rick' cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput cflocation url=session-test-2.cfm session-test-2.cfm -- cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get the error 'Element NAME is undefined in SESSION.' ??? Session variables are specified for use in CFADMIN. Am I missing something REALLY simple or obvious? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350115 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Session variables not working
You will need an application.cfc (or .cfm) for session variables to work. In your example, your cfset session.name = 'rick' was actually stored in the variables scope on that page as variables.session.rick, and not actually in the session scope. That is why it was not available on the other page. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: There's no application.cfc at this point...the only two pages involved are what's in this email. Is enabling session management in an application.cfc necessary for session management to work? As you can see below when I use: cfset session.name = 'rick' and then output that with: cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get 'rick'... But that's on the same page. Would that work but not session variables between pages with session management being enabled in application.cfc? Rick -Original Message- From: Steve Milburn [mailto:scmilb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Session variables not working Have you enabled session management in the application.cfc? On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: It's been awhile since I used session variables, but this is simple. Why won't this work? session-test.cfm cfset session.name = 'rick' cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput cflocation url=session-test-2.cfm session-test-2.cfm -- cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get the error 'Element NAME is undefined in SESSION.' ??? Session variables are specified for use in CFADMIN. Am I missing something REALLY simple or obvious? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350116 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Session variables not working
Correction on my previous post: The variable was stored in variables.session.name (not variables.session.rick)... but you probably knew what I meant.. ;-) On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Steve Milburn scmilb...@gmail.com wrote: You will need an application.cfc (or .cfm) for session variables to work. In your example, your cfset session.name = 'rick' was actually stored in the variables scope on that page as variables.session.rick, and not actually in the session scope. That is why it was not available on the other page. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: There's no application.cfc at this point...the only two pages involved are what's in this email. Is enabling session management in an application.cfc necessary for session management to work? As you can see below when I use: cfset session.name = 'rick' and then output that with: cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get 'rick'... But that's on the same page. Would that work but not session variables between pages with session management being enabled in application.cfc? Rick -Original Message- From: Steve Milburn [mailto:scmilb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Session variables not working Have you enabled session management in the application.cfc? On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: It's been awhile since I used session variables, but this is simple. Why won't this work? session-test.cfm cfset session.name = 'rick' cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput cflocation url=session-test-2.cfm session-test-2.cfm -- cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get the error 'Element NAME is undefined in SESSION.' ??? Session variables are specified for use in CFADMIN. Am I missing something REALLY simple or obvious? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350117 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Session variables not working
Thanks for the reminder! Rick -Original Message- From: Steve Milburn [mailto:scmilb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:42 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Session variables not working Correction on my previous post: The variable was stored in variables.session.name (not variables.session.rick)... but you probably knew what I meant.. ;-) On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Steve Milburn scmilb...@gmail.com wrote: You will need an application.cfc (or .cfm) for session variables to work. In your example, your cfset session.name = 'rick' was actually stored in the variables scope on that page as variables.session.rick, and not actually in the session scope. That is why it was not available on the other page. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: There's no application.cfc at this point...the only two pages involved are what's in this email. Is enabling session management in an application.cfc necessary for session management to work? As you can see below when I use: cfset session.name = 'rick' and then output that with: cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get 'rick'... But that's on the same page. Would that work but not session variables between pages with session management being enabled in application.cfc? Rick -Original Message- From: Steve Milburn [mailto:scmilb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Session variables not working Have you enabled session management in the application.cfc? On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: It's been awhile since I used session variables, but this is simple. Why won't this work? session-test.cfm cfset session.name = 'rick' cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput cflocation url=session-test-2.cfm session-test-2.cfm -- cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get the error 'Element NAME is undefined in SESSION.' ??? Session variables are specified for use in CFADMIN. Am I missing something REALLY simple or obvious? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350119 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Session variables not working
In your cflocation tag include addtoken=no attribute to prevent CFID/CFTOKEN vars from being appended to the url. I'll also suggest you set your server to use J2EE sessions in CF Administrator, if you have not done so already. Azadi On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 04:36, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Well, after quickly throwing together an application.cfc, I can see that it is necessary. It attached the CFID and CFTOKEN to the URL. -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:29 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Session variables not working There's no application.cfc at this point...the only two pages involved are what's in this email. Is enabling session management in an application.cfc necessary for session management to work? As you can see below when I use: cfset session.name = 'rick' and then output that with: cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get 'rick'... But that's on the same page. Would that work but not session variables between pages with session management being enabled in application.cfc? Rick -Original Message- From: Steve Milburn [mailto:scmilb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Session variables not working Have you enabled session management in the application.cfc? On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: It's been awhile since I used session variables, but this is simple. Why won't this work? session-test.cfm cfset session.name = 'rick' cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput cflocation url=session-test-2.cfm session-test-2.cfm -- cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get the error 'Element NAME is undefined in SESSION.' ??? Session variables are specified for use in CFADMIN. Am I missing something REALLY simple or obvious? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350120 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Session variables not working
Actually, a cfapplication tag will work fine outside of Application.cfm so technically this isn't true. Of course it makes sense to use Application.cfm or Application.cfc. -- Shu Ha Ri: Agile and .NET blog http://www.bifrost.com.au/ On 28 February 2012 04:36, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: yes you must have an application.cfm/cfc in order to enable session variables. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: There's no application.cfc at this point...the only two pages involved are what's in this email. Is enabling session management in an application.cfc necessary for session management to work? As you can see below when I use: cfset session.name = 'rick' and then output that with: cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get 'rick'... But that's on the same page. Would that work but not session variables between pages with session management being enabled in application.cfc? Rick -Original Message- From: Steve Milburn [mailto:scmilb...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Session variables not working Have you enabled session management in the application.cfc? On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: It's been awhile since I used session variables, but this is simple. Why won't this work? session-test.cfm cfset session.name = 'rick' cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput cflocation url=session-test-2.cfm session-test-2.cfm -- cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get the error 'Element NAME is undefined in SESSION.' ??? Session variables are specified for use in CFADMIN. Am I missing something REALLY simple or obvious? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350121 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Session variables not working
Hi Rick, When you are using session variables and you want to get its value in other page after using cflocation then you need to enable seclientcookies true in cfapplication tag. More description you can read on http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/help.html?content=Tags_a-b_5.html read Setclientcokies description. Thank You Jay Pandya It's been awhile since I used session variables, but this is simple. Why won't this work? session-test.cfm cfset session.name = 'rick' cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput cflocation url=session-test-2.cfm session-test-2.cfm -- cfoutput#session.name#/cfoutput I get the error 'Element NAME is undefined in SESSION.' ??? Session variables are specified for use in CFADMIN. Am I missing something REALLY simple or obvious? Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:350123 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: I'd also argue that sometimes race conditions may not matter. On project I've worked on, this is true 99.9% of the time. Consider a session variable that tracks the # of pages you have viewed in your session. If I pop open a new tab and start reloading them both like crazy, it's possible the values may end up borked. But do we care? No. If it's just a simple stat and it's not perfect, then I'd ignore the hassle of locking the write/reads. ...and this is a pretty unusual use case with all the analytics packages out there. Really, I have a pretty hard time thinking of a good use case with race conditions that goes beyond a contrived impractical example. Banking maybe? Though in most cases I'd going to be doing much of that type of work in the DB and even if I'm not, it's probably going to be in a scope that doesn't live past a single request. Most of the examples I see are things that shouldn't be using the Session scope at all anyway. Of course, folks are free write their apps any way they want, but I just don't see it as a problem. I very very very rarely lock (or have need to lock) session vars. I don't think I've personally found reason in any project I've worked on since CF5. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349765 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
...and this is a pretty unusual use case with all the analytics packages out there. Really, I have a pretty hard time thinking of a good use case with race conditions that goes beyond a contrived impractical example. Someone on cf-talk had a race condition just last week, around their authentication process. Of course, it was because of how their code was structured, and probably didn't need CFLOCK to resolve. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349766 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: ...and this is a pretty unusual use case with all the analytics packages out there. Really, I have a pretty hard time thinking of a good use case with race conditions that goes beyond a contrived impractical example. Someone on cf-talk had a race condition just last week, around their authentication process. Of course, it was because of how their code was structured, and probably didn't need CFLOCK to resolve. Race conditions certainly exist. Specifically though, race conditions involving session variables which can be resolved using CFLOCK, are relatively uncommon. In my personal experience anyway... -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349767 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
...and this is a pretty unusual use case with all the analytics packages out there. Really, I have a pretty hard time thinking of a good use case with race conditions that goes beyond a contrived impractical example. Someone on cf-talk had a race condition just last week, around their authentication process. Of course, it was because of how their code was structured, and probably didn't need CFLOCK to resolve. Race conditions certainly exist. Specifically though, race conditions involving session variables which can be resolved using CFLOCK, are relatively uncommon. In my personal experience anyway... I'm not sure I'm disagreeing with you. Most race conditions that I see can be resolved without CFLOCK, but not all - specifically around components used during authentication/user initialization/etc. The primary reason for them seems to be that developers just don't think about concurrency. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349768 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
Race conditions certainly exist. Specifically though, race conditions involving session variables which can be resolved using CFLOCK, are relatively uncommon. In my personal experience anyway... +! In my experience anything that would really be effected by race conditions shouldn't be in session scope to begin with. Mary Jo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349769 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I'm not sure I'm disagreeing with you. Most race conditions that I see can be resolved without CFLOCK, but not all - specifically around components used during authentication/user initialization/etc. The primary reason for them seems to be that developers just don't think about concurrency. Agreed. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349771 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM, James Holmes james.hol...@gmail.com wrote: Race conditions in session variables can only occur when two requests from the same session execute concurrently. This is more likely with ajax requests or framesets. Since everyone uses ajax requests these days (even though no-one uses framesets any more), it is still an issue, as you say. This can be true, depending on the situation and how you are using the session scope. However, untrue is the old adage of always lock your session variables. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349743 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
I'd also argue that sometimes race conditions may not matter. Consider a session variable that tracks the # of pages you have viewed in your session. If I pop open a new tab and start reloading them both like crazy, it's possible the values may end up borked. But do we care? No. If it's just a simple stat and it's not perfect, then I'd ignore the hassle of locking the write/reads. On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM, James Holmes james.hol...@gmail.com wrote: Race conditions in session variables can only occur when two requests from the same session execute concurrently. This is more likely with ajax requests or framesets. Since everyone uses ajax requests these days (even though no-one uses framesets any more), it is still an issue, as you say. This can be true, depending on the situation and how you are using the session scope. However, untrue is the old adage of always lock your session variables. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349745 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
of course for a newbie that has no idea what a race condition is, in todays PC society they might take that as an insult :-) On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote: I'd also argue that sometimes race conditions may not matter. Consider a session variable that tracks the # of pages you have viewed in your session. If I pop open a new tab and start reloading them both like crazy, it's possible the values may end up borked. But do we care? No. If it's just a simple stat and it's not perfect, then I'd ignore the hassle of locking the write/reads. On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM, James Holmes james.hol...@gmail.com wrote: Race conditions in session variables can only occur when two requests from the same session execute concurrently. This is more likely with ajax requests or framesets. Since everyone uses ajax requests these days (even though no-one uses framesets any more), it is still an issue, as you say. This can be true, depending on the situation and how you are using the session scope. However, untrue is the old adage of always lock your session variables. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349752 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
in the case I was referring to Dave, there was no locking, and it was copying all scopes into sessions (variables, url and form) and then back again so it really was for no good reason :-) however all programmers work different and have a tendency to slate the way others have done things, thus why I suggested it would be better to just ask him rather than make assumptions.Most of time we don;t have this option as the original developer has long since gone. On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:58 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I have come across some similar code also, moving variables scope into sessions and back again for no reason. There's actually a reason why that might be, in some cases. Not a good reason, but a reason nonetheless. It used to be the case (CF 5 and earlier) that you had to worry about locking a lot more than you do now. So, people would do something like this: !-- top of page -- cflock scope=session ... cfset variables.localsession = session /cflock ... do a bunch of stuff with those variables ... !-- bottom of page -- cflock scope=session ... cfset session = variables.localsession /cflock Unfortunately, it didn't work very well in practice. perhaps you could just ask him why he is doing it. I am not being sarcastic when I say this - this is a very good suggestion. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349694 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
I would agree with what some others have written, in that an apparent over-use of session variables is not inherently bad, unless it is causing server instability or memory problems. Make sure the programmer is using session variables for a specific reason, and that he is aware of the issues that using session variables can cause. Out of all the faults one can find when examining a Web site, using too many session variables is fairly low on the priority list. 1000 users on a site at a time with 250 session variables per user doesn't seem that bad to me on the surface. Storing frequently accessed database data in the session scope is often used as a caching optimization technique to reduce the database bottleneck. It is a technique I use and recommend, especially for very busy Web applications. In general, the busier the Web application, the more you are going to want to store in-memory to reduce the database usage, assuming your server has sufficient RAM. Really giant Web sites, like Facebook and YouTube, make extensive use of in-memory databases, like memcached. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memcached One thing most developers neglect to do when using lots of session variables is making the session code thread safe, which takes a relatively high skill and experience level to accomplish. Unless you see a lot of cflock tags to mitigate the possible problems, a site with 1000 simultaneous users and 250 session variables might have random problems that could be traced back to the use of session variables. Threading problems can be hard to diagnose and are usually not discovered until the code gets put into a production environment. If the programmer is aware of the memory usage and threading issues, using lots of session variables is likely a minor concern, and potentially is a good thing if he is using them as a technique to speed up the Web application. You wrote I see no scope referencing in these Vars, which I find odd if you are referring to variables in the session scope. All the in-memory variables should have their scope referenced when they are used. -Mike Chabot On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: Thanks for all the input. Besides the fact that the application could conceivably have hundreds of thousands of session Vars in memory, I'm concerned about collision too. I see no scope referencing in these Vars and see they are all 'common names'. I also see no routines to clear any vars after completion of an operation is over. Oh well. Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.co ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349723 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Mike Chabot mcha...@gmail.com wrote: One thing most developers neglect to do when using lots of session variables is making the session code thread safe, which takes a relatively high skill and experience level to accomplish. Unless you see a lot of cflock tags to mitigate the possible problems, a site with 1000 simultaneous users and 250 session variables might have random problems that could be traced back to the use of session variables. This is largely false since the release of CF6. Race conditions being the primary exception. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349724 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
Fyi cf officially did away with need for manual locking some time ago. The only sitation where you need to lock now is where you have potential race conditions. Some folks still like to lock anyway though. Regards Russ Michaels From my mobile On 1 Feb 2012 18:57, Mike Chabot mcha...@gmail.com wrote: I would agree with what some others have written, in that an apparent over-use of session variables is not inherently bad, unless it is causing server instability or memory problems. Make sure the programmer is using session variables for a specific reason, and that he is aware of the issues that using session variables can cause. Out of all the faults one can find when examining a Web site, using too many session variables is fairly low on the priority list. 1000 users on a site at a time with 250 session variables per user doesn't seem that bad to me on the surface. Storing frequently accessed database data in the session scope is often used as a caching optimization technique to reduce the database bottleneck. It is a technique I use and recommend, especially for very busy Web applications. In general, the busier the Web application, the more you are going to want to store in-memory to reduce the database usage, assuming your server has sufficient RAM. Really giant Web sites, like Facebook and YouTube, make extensive use of in-memory databases, like memcached. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memcached One thing most developers neglect to do when using lots of session variables is making the session code thread safe, which takes a relatively high skill and experience level to accomplish. Unless you see a lot of cflock tags to mitigate the possible problems, a site with 1000 simultaneous users and 250 session variables might have random problems that could be traced back to the use of session variables. Threading problems can be hard to diagnose and are usually not discovered until the code gets put into a production environment. If the programmer is aware of the memory usage and threading issues, using lots of session variables is likely a minor concern, and potentially is a good thing if he is using them as a technique to speed up the Web application. You wrote I see no scope referencing in these Vars, which I find odd if you are referring to variables in the session scope. All the in-memory variables should have their scope referenced when they are used. -Mike Chabot On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: Thanks for all the input. Besides the fact that the application could conceivably have hundreds of thousands of session Vars in memory, I'm concerned about collision too. I see no scope referencing in these Vars and see they are all 'common names'. I also see no routines to clear any vars after completion of an operation is over. Oh well. Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.co ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349725 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
Race conditions are what I am referring to and they are a problem, even in CF9. Many developers either heard or read that the earlier problems with session variables have been fixed and that they no longer need to ever lock them, but this is not true. It is one of the most common CF misconceptions, even among experienced CF programmers. The problem generally only shows up on high-traffic data intensive sites, but even with 1000 simultaneous users and 250 session variables I would expect that the application will at some point have a seemingly random and rare issue when updating large structures of session variables or processing giant form submissions that could ultimately be traced back to a race condition where competing code execution process are accessing the same shared resource on different threads. The cflock tag still exists, and it is usually not used as frequently as it needs to be used, which is why I mentioned the problem. The use of the cflock tag is not simply a matter of preference. It solves an actual problem related to the multi-threaded code accessing shared resources, such as session variables. From the CF9 manual: ColdFusion lets you lock access to sections of code to ensure that ColdFusion does not attempt to run the code, or access the data that it uses, simultaneously or in an unpredictable order. This locking feature is important for ensuring the consistency of all shared data, including data in external sources in addition to data in persistent scopes. I think many developers would prefer to ignore the issue because locking isn't fun and race conditions are a challenging issue to understand. -Mike Chabot On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: This is largely false since the release of CF6. Race conditions being the primary exception. -Cameron ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349728 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
Race conditions in session variables can only occur when two requests from the same session execute concurrently. This is more likely with ajax requests or framesets. Since everyone uses ajax requests these days (even though no-one uses framesets any more), it is still an issue, as you say. -- Shu Ha Ri: Agile and .NET blog http://www.bifrost.com.au/ On 2 February 2012 05:53, Mike Chabot mcha...@gmail.com wrote: Race conditions are what I am referring to and they are a problem, even in CF9. Many developers either heard or read that the earlier problems with session variables have been fixed and that they no longer need to ever lock them, but this is not true. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349733 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
In addition to AJAX (and Flex/Flash remoting calls) and framesets (and iframes), issues with session variables can also occur if a user has two separate browser tabs open, double clicks links or form submit buttons (some users double click everything), rapidly and repeatedly presses a submit button or the refresh button because a page is slow to load, submits a form, then makes a quick change before the form disappears from the screen, and submits again, requests a page but presses the browser back button before the page loads, rapidly toggles through multiple pages using a fast-loading navigation element (possibly controlled by a URL variable), starts running a page that takes so long to process that they hit the browser timeout before the code finishes processing, so they run it again, and likely some other scenarios. -Mike Chabot On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:37 PM, James Holmes james.hol...@gmail.com wrote: Race conditions in session variables can only occur when two requests from the same session execute concurrently. This is more likely with ajax requests or framesets. Since everyone uses ajax requests these days (even though no-one uses framesets any more), it is still an issue, as you say. -- Shu Ha Ri: Agile and .NET blog http://www.bifrost.com.au/ On 2 February 2012 05:53, Mike Chabot mcha...@gmail.com wrote: Race conditions are what I am referring to and they are a problem, even in CF9. Many developers either heard or read that the earlier problems with session variables have been fixed and that they no longer need to ever lock them, but this is not true. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349736 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Opinion: Abuse of session variables
I'm an old school programmer who watches every bit and byte and really practices resource management in my coding practices. I've got a new programmer working for me (on contract) and I'm finding he's using session Vars all over the place. He creating session Vars on forms that have a hundred fields, he putting arrays into session Vars, etc. I just went through a few of the programs he wrote and used them, then I dumped my session vars and found I had over 250 session vars from just using a few programs. Considering the site has over 1,000 users on it at any given moment, I'm very concerned about this practice. Am I nuts, or is this just bad? Thanks, Robert Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be . Plug in to our blog: AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349680 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
It depends. It could be no big deal, but it definitely sounds like there is a significant risk of oops! there goes the server!. As a general rule, you are correct: keep the session as lean as possible. More specifically, don't use it unless there is a damn good reason to do so. Maybe it's time to have a best practices or our standards are: type of conversation. HTH On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: I'm an old school programmer who watches every bit and byte and really practices resource management in my coding practices. I've got a new programmer working for me (on contract) and I'm finding he's using session Vars all over the place. He creating session Vars on forms that have a hundred fields, he putting arrays into session Vars, etc. I just went through a few of the programs he wrote and used them, then I dumped my session vars and found I had over 250 session vars from just using a few programs. Considering the site has over 1,000 users on it at any given moment, I'm very concerned about this practice. Am I nuts, or is this just bad? Thanks, Robert Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be . Plug in to our blog: AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349681 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: I've got a new programmer working for me (on contract) and I'm finding he's using session Vars all over the place. He creating session Vars on forms that have a hundred fields, he putting arrays into session Vars, etc. I just went through a few of the programs he wrote and used them, then I dumped my session vars and found I had over 250 session vars from just using a few programs. Considering the site has over 1,000 users on it at any given moment, I'm very concerned about this practice. Your primary concern should not be the memory usage implications of this practice, but the functional implications. What does it mean for the correctness of your application? Can you still navigate the site with multiple tabs opened if everything goes into the session scope or do you get weird results on some pages because session variables get overwritten from elsewhere? Only after you are certain the code is functionally correct memory optimizations come into play Jochem -- Jochem van Dieten http://jochem.vandieten.net/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349682 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
As a general rule in life, I believe, everything in moderation - The extremes on either side will always get you into trouble. Modern servers have tons of RAM, session vars, especially vars that are just strings, are pretty light weight. It's hard to imagine making common senses use of them causing issues with the server. However, on the other side, if you got a guy storing every moment of every customer interaction in a session struct, you've got the definite potential for problems. Based on what you've told us, it sounds like this guy might have some architectural problems in his designs for you apps. I'd start with him by going over the realistic use cases for the data he is storing. It's likely he has a good reason for storing huge forms in the session(there are plenty of reasons to do that) - but maybe you need to look at how long those vals need to be persisted - if they need to be, I'd move them to a temp database and just carry a reference to the vals in the DB in their session. =] -- Alan Rother Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, www.AZCFUG.org Twitter: @AlanRother ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349683 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
I generally would keep the variable as long as you need it and no longer. If it's just needed for the request, there is no reason at all it should be in the session scope. Performance is a concern, but so is data leaking from page to page. If you're putting alot in session and not paying attention to the names then you may end up stepping on variables as you go. At the least, if they are needed for a multipart form (for example) then he should be clearing (structDelete()) the variables when they are no longer needed. Better yet, put then in a struct in session and just nuke that struct when you're done with it. IF you have: session.myform.firstname session.myform.lastname session.myform.phone Then when you are done just do a little structDelete(session,'myform') action and your session is all clean again. -Cameron On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: I'm an old school programmer who watches every bit and byte and really practices resource management in my coding practices. I've got a new programmer working for me (on contract) and I'm finding he's using session Vars all over the place. He creating session Vars on forms that have a hundred fields, he putting arrays into session Vars, etc. I just went through a few of the programs he wrote and used them, then I dumped my session vars and found I had over 250 session vars from just using a few programs. Considering the site has over 1,000 users on it at any given moment, I'm very concerned about this practice. Am I nuts, or is this just bad? Thanks, Robert Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be . Plug in to our blog: AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349684 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
Thanks for all the input. Besides the fact that the application could conceivably have hundreds of thousands of session Vars in memory, I'm concerned about collision too. I see no scope referencing in these Vars and see they are all 'common names'. I also see no routines to clear any vars after completion of an operation is over. Oh well. Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be . Plug in to our blog: AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349685 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
I think I ran across that guy once (lol). IMO, loading anything other the absolute minimum required info to identify a unique session into session variables is bad coding practice. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: I'm an old school programmer who watches every bit and byte and really practices resource management in my coding practices. I've got a new programmer working for me (on contract) and I'm finding he's using session Vars all over the place. He creating session Vars on forms that have a hundred fields, he putting arrays into session Vars, etc. I just went through a few of the programs he wrote and used them, then I dumped my session vars and found I had over 250 session vars from just using a few programs. Considering the site has over 1,000 users on it at any given moment, I'm very concerned about this practice. Am I nuts, or is this just bad? Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349687 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
I have come across some similar code also, moving variables scope into sessions and back again for no reason. if the data has no reason to persist past the request then there is no reason to put it in session scope. the primary reason for doing it with forms is to persist the form data so users can come back later and their data is still there, such as when a form is split across multiple pages.. perhaps you could just ask him why he is doing it. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: I think I ran across that guy once (lol). IMO, loading anything other the absolute minimum required info to identify a unique session into session variables is bad coding practice. On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: I'm an old school programmer who watches every bit and byte and really practices resource management in my coding practices. I've got a new programmer working for me (on contract) and I'm finding he's using session Vars all over the place. He creating session Vars on forms that have a hundred fields, he putting arrays into session Vars, etc. I just went through a few of the programs he wrote and used them, then I dumped my session vars and found I had over 250 session vars from just using a few programs. Considering the site has over 1,000 users on it at any given moment, I'm very concerned about this practice. Am I nuts, or is this just bad? Thanks, Robert ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349689 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
I've got a new programmer working for me (on contract) and I'm finding he's using session Vars all over the place. He creating session Vars on forms that have a hundred fields, he putting arrays into session Vars, etc. I just went through a few of the programs he wrote and used them, then I dumped my session vars and found I had over 250 session vars from just using a few programs. Considering the site has over 1,000 users on it at any given moment, I'm very concerned about this practice. Am I nuts, or is this just bad? There are several possibilities: 1. You are nuts, and this is just bad. 2. You are nuts, and this is not bad. 3. You are not nuts, and this is just bad. 4. You are not nuts, but this is not bad. The problem is, we don't have enough information to answer your question. We cannot accurately determine whether you're nuts, or whether this is bad. There's nothing inherently inappropriate about storing arrays in session scope, or submitted form fields, etc. It depends (as Jochem pointed out) on what your application is intended to do, and the potential use-case scenarios around your application. While memory is limited, it's much more efficient to store things in memory rather than refetch them from a database - database interactivity is typically the most expensive portion of an application. If you had unlimited memory at your disposal, it would make perfect sense to just store everything in there until you absolutely have to write it to a persistent data store. But you don't have unlimited memory, so you have a balancing act. We all would need far more information than you've provided to tell you whether you're off-balance one way or the other. I will say this, though - there's a reason we have 64-bit servers nowadays. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349691 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
IMO, loading anything other the absolute minimum required info to identify a unique session into session variables is bad coding practice. What does that mean? The absolute minimum required info to identify a unique session would be the session ID. Are you saying any other use of session variables is bad practice? If so, I'll have to disagree with that pretty strenuously. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349692 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Opinion: Abuse of session variables
I have come across some similar code also, moving variables scope into sessions and back again for no reason. There's actually a reason why that might be, in some cases. Not a good reason, but a reason nonetheless. It used to be the case (CF 5 and earlier) that you had to worry about locking a lot more than you do now. So, people would do something like this: !-- top of page -- cflock scope=session ... cfset variables.localsession = session /cflock ... do a bunch of stuff with those variables ... !-- bottom of page -- cflock scope=session ... cfset session = variables.localsession /cflock Unfortunately, it didn't work very well in practice. perhaps you could just ask him why he is doing it. I am not being sarcastic when I say this - this is a very good suggestion. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349693 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Lost SESSION variables - sometimes
Thanks. I'll try that. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 7:05 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Lost SESSION variables - sometimes it is probably a cookie issue as this is how the session is tracked. clear the cookies and cache on that browser and see if it helps. Also make sure cookies are not disabled. On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@indiana.eduwrote: CF8 My home page populates a session variable. I did a dump to make sure this was happening. Mozilla (Firefox) - newest download On one machine I go to another page off my menu and it displays correctly. I go to another machine and I get an error - no session variable defined. The entire SESSION scope is lost on this machine. IE - works fine on both machines. I don't see how it can be a coding issue since it works in IE and in Mozilla on other machines. Does anyone have a clue why certain iterations of Firefox would cause the loss of the SESSION variable? Larry Stephens ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349296 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Lost SESSION variables - sometimes
CF8 My home page populates a session variable. I did a dump to make sure this was happening. Mozilla (Firefox) - newest download On one machine I go to another page off my menu and it displays correctly. I go to another machine and I get an error - no session variable defined. The entire SESSION scope is lost on this machine. IE - works fine on both machines. I don't see how it can be a coding issue since it works in IE and in Mozilla on other machines. Does anyone have a clue why certain iterations of Firefox would cause the loss of the SESSION variable? Larry Stephens ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349264 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Lost SESSION variables - sometimes
it is probably a cookie issue as this is how the session is tracked. clear the cookies and cache on that browser and see if it helps. Also make sure cookies are not disabled. On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Stephens, Larry V steph...@indiana.eduwrote: CF8 My home page populates a session variable. I did a dump to make sure this was happening. Mozilla (Firefox) - newest download On one machine I go to another page off my menu and it displays correctly. I go to another machine and I get an error - no session variable defined. The entire SESSION scope is lost on this machine. IE - works fine on both machines. I don't see how it can be a coding issue since it works in IE and in Mozilla on other machines. Does anyone have a clue why certain iterations of Firefox would cause the loss of the SESSION variable? Larry Stephens ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:349272 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Session Variables
cfapplication name=newapp sessionmanagement=yes sessiontimeout=#CreateTimeSpan(14,0,0,0)# My session expires in as little as 20 minutes, I dont understand why so early when I set the timeout for 14 days. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348201 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
