Re: Eclipse vs MyEclipse

2008-04-01 Thread Allison Roberts
Hi Adam, 

Thanks for voicing your concerns about MyEclipse. We are always happy to get 
feedback on our product to make sure we are offering our users what they need. 
You mentioned that MyEclipse has gotten slower and heavier; you may try using 
SNAPs, which was rolled out with MyEclipse 5.5. Snaps allows you to use each of 
the following features without launching the entire MyEclipse program: HTML 
Editor, XML Editor, Database tooling and Image Editor. Each of these is fully 
integrated with Windows and can stand alone outside of MyEclipse.

You also mentioned having a large team. I'd like to encourage you to try Pulse 
2.0. Pulse is free service by Genuitec, and it allows you to share your tools 
effortlessly with your team.

Genuitec has a promotion in store for CF users in the future that may make 
trying MyEclipse even more enticing. Also, we always invite users to try a free 
30-day trial.

SNAPs: http://www.myeclipseide.com/htmlpages-func-display-pid-310.html
Pulse: www.poweredbypulse.com

Thanks again for the feedback. 

Allison


>Most of the plugins in MyEclipse are proprietary, developed by Genuitec,
>though it does base some of the plugins on OS projects.  A couple of years
>ago I would have agreed hands down with Barney. These days i am tending to
>lean the other way. I have found more and more that I can setup a more
>productive environment on my own. MyEclipse has become heavier and slow and
>in all honesty I find myself more productive with other plugins. With 100
>developers and quite a few contractors coming in and out It is well worth
>our time as a company to evaluate the plugins on the market find the best of
>breed and distribute them, tools like pulse and yoxos make it tremendously
>easy. Aside from Apanta, which is abit of hog, all the plugins I listed
>previously are quick and nimble. To each his/her own though if you evaluate
>myEclipse and like it, go for it like Barney said to him it is worth it and
>I think many would agree.
>
>Adam Haskell
>
>
>On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>> 

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Re: Eclipse vs MyEclipse

2008-03-31 Thread Matt Williams
Adam,

I'm just now checking out Pulse. It looks pretty slick. Do you have a
shared profile I can check out?

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Most of the plugins in MyEclipse are proprietary, developed by Genuitec,
>  though it does base some of the plugins on OS projects.  A couple of years
>  ago I would have agreed hands down with Barney. These days i am tending to
>  lean the other way. I have found more and more that I can setup a more
>  productive environment on my own. MyEclipse has become heavier and slow and
>  in all honesty I find myself more productive with other plugins. With 100
>  developers and quite a few contractors coming in and out It is well worth
>  our time as a company to evaluate the plugins on the market find the best of
>  breed and distribute them, tools like pulse and yoxos make it tremendously
>  easy. Aside from Apanta, which is abit of hog, all the plugins I listed
>  previously are quick and nimble. To each his/her own though if you evaluate
>  myEclipse and like it, go for it like Barney said to him it is worth it and
>  I think many would agree.
>
>  Adam Haskell
>
>

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Re: Eclipse vs MyEclipse

2008-03-31 Thread Adam Haskell
Most of the plugins in MyEclipse are proprietary, developed by Genuitec,
though it does base some of the plugins on OS projects.  A couple of years
ago I would have agreed hands down with Barney. These days i am tending to
lean the other way. I have found more and more that I can setup a more
productive environment on my own. MyEclipse has become heavier and slow and
in all honesty I find myself more productive with other plugins. With 100
developers and quite a few contractors coming in and out It is well worth
our time as a company to evaluate the plugins on the market find the best of
breed and distribute them, tools like pulse and yoxos make it tremendously
easy. Aside from Apanta, which is abit of hog, all the plugins I listed
previously are quick and nimble. To each his/her own though if you evaluate
myEclipse and like it, go for it like Barney said to him it is worth it and
I think many would agree.

Adam Haskell


On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I have to chime in here and say that MyEclipse isn't about saving
> money on plugins.  I can't say with absolute certainty, but I'm pretty
> sure that ever plugin MyEclipse comes with is freely available.  What
> MyEclipse does is pre-integrate them.  I pay my $50/yr and never have
> to worry about finding all that crap and it's dependencies.  I could
> set up a similar environment myself, no question, but it'd take at
> least an hour or three, which means it's more expensive than
> MyEclipse.
>
> If you look at TCO, MyEclipse is still an amazingly good deal.
>
> cheers,
> barneyb
>
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > MyEclipse is not worth the price, especially with the onset of WTP from
> >  eclipse foundation, and some other nice plugins. Check my blog entry
> out
> >  about setting up WTP,
> >  http://cfrant.blogspot.com/2008/03/jboss-eclipse-and-bluedragon.html .
> >  Beyond that here are some other eclipse plugins that are free:
> >
> >  xmlbuddy - http://xmlbuddy.com/2.0/products.html - the free edition is
> good
> >  enough for my uses and honestly comes close to matching MyEclispe
> >
> >  quantumDB - http://quantum.sourceforge.net/ - just as good as myeclipse
> >
> >  Aptanta - http://www.aptana.com/ - it is sort of heavy but a really
> robust
> >  JS, CSS and XML editor, once again the free edition is good enough.
> >
> >  Spket  - http://www.spket.com/ - an alternative to Aptana and very
> >  nice.Ihave not looked at XML in it but it does support Flex
> >  development too.
> >
> >  Fujaba - http://wwwcs.uni-paderborn.de/cs/fujaba/ - a bit flakey
> eclipse
> >  support but a nice free UML editor none the less. If i recall there is
> an
> >  eclipse project now for UML...I know there is an IBM product which is
> what
> >  we are evaluating at work.
> >
> >
> >  A few years ago I would have said MyEclipse is a no brainer, these days
> I
> >  don't believe that anymore. Even in java development it has become
> harder
> >  and harder to justify the cost. I know the cost difference is
> substantial
> >  but if I am going to spend money on an IDE these days for Java it will
> be
> >  spent on IntelliJ.
> >
> >  Adam Haskell
> >
>
> --
> Barney Boisvert
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.barneyb.com/
>
> Got Gmail? I have 100 invites.
>
> 

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Re: Eclipse vs MyEclipse

2008-03-31 Thread Larry Lyons
I agree. The plugins that come with MyEclipse make it very worth the $50 a 
year. The UML module alone is worth about that much, especially when compared 
to such behemoths as Magic Draw. The servers tab for controlling J2EE app 
servers, like JBoss or JRun, are incredibly useful. 

regards,
larry

>I have to chime in here and say that MyEclipse isn't about saving
>money on plugins.  I can't say with absolute certainty, but I'm pretty
>sure that ever plugin MyEclipse comes with is freely available.  What
>MyEclipse does is pre-integrate them.  I pay my $50/yr and never have
>to worry about finding all that crap and it's dependencies.  I could
>set up a similar environment myself, no question, but it'd take at
>least an hour or three, which means it's more expensive than
>MyEclipse.
>
>If you look at TCO, MyEclipse is still an amazingly good deal.
>
>cheers,
>barneyb
>
>On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>-- 
>Barney Boisvert
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://www.barneyb.com/
>
>Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. 

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Re: Eclipse vs MyEclipse

2008-03-31 Thread Barney Boisvert
I have to chime in here and say that MyEclipse isn't about saving
money on plugins.  I can't say with absolute certainty, but I'm pretty
sure that ever plugin MyEclipse comes with is freely available.  What
MyEclipse does is pre-integrate them.  I pay my $50/yr and never have
to worry about finding all that crap and it's dependencies.  I could
set up a similar environment myself, no question, but it'd take at
least an hour or three, which means it's more expensive than
MyEclipse.

If you look at TCO, MyEclipse is still an amazingly good deal.

cheers,
barneyb

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> MyEclipse is not worth the price, especially with the onset of WTP from
>  eclipse foundation, and some other nice plugins. Check my blog entry out
>  about setting up WTP,
>  http://cfrant.blogspot.com/2008/03/jboss-eclipse-and-bluedragon.html .
>  Beyond that here are some other eclipse plugins that are free:
>
>  xmlbuddy - http://xmlbuddy.com/2.0/products.html - the free edition is good
>  enough for my uses and honestly comes close to matching MyEclispe
>
>  quantumDB - http://quantum.sourceforge.net/ - just as good as myeclipse
>
>  Aptanta - http://www.aptana.com/ - it is sort of heavy but a really robust
>  JS, CSS and XML editor, once again the free edition is good enough.
>
>  Spket  - http://www.spket.com/ - an alternative to Aptana and very
>  nice.Ihave not looked at XML in it but it does support Flex
>  development too.
>
>  Fujaba - http://wwwcs.uni-paderborn.de/cs/fujaba/ - a bit flakey eclipse
>  support but a nice free UML editor none the less. If i recall there is an
>  eclipse project now for UML...I know there is an IBM product which is what
>  we are evaluating at work.
>
>
>  A few years ago I would have said MyEclipse is a no brainer, these days I
>  don't believe that anymore. Even in java development it has become harder
>  and harder to justify the cost. I know the cost difference is substantial
>  but if I am going to spend money on an IDE these days for Java it will be
>  spent on IntelliJ.
>
>  Adam Haskell
>

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Re: Eclipse vs MyEclipse

2008-03-31 Thread Gerald Guido
Adam... Thanks for turning me on to ondemand.yoxos.com. Wow.

Very few web apps leave me with a loss of words. That has to be one of the
coolest apps I have ever seen. Evar.

I did a search for Aptana and it was listed under OMFG Rather
appropriate.

G

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks for reminding me. I ment to post a link to Yoxos,
> http://ondemand.yoxos.com/geteclipse/start . I am working on a profile to
> open up to everyone, but I am waiting for BlueDragon to release so I can
> get
> that in there, so May 4th.
>
> Adam Haskell
>
> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Gerald Guido <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > You can get all of these plugins (I think) with out having to install
> them
> > one at a time by using Pulse. Except for XML buddy (I think).
> >
> > http://www.poweredbypulse.com/
> >
> > Basically you can make custom eclipse builds and Pulse manages all the
> > dependencies for you. Including a couple CFEclipse builds and Aptana. It
> > is
> > a very slick tool.
> >
> > V 2 didn't have all the kinks worked out last time I tried it. It takes
> a
> > lot of the grief out of creating custom eclipse builds. Kinda like how
> > Linux
> > package managers manage all your dependencies.
> >
> > You can try out MyEclipse with Pulse as well.
> >
> > hth,
> > G
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > MyEclipse is not worth the price, especially with the onset of WTP
> from
> > > eclipse foundation, and some other nice plugins. Check my blog entry
> out
> > > about setting up WTP,
> > > http://cfrant.blogspot.com/2008/03/jboss-eclipse-and-bluedragon.html .
> > > Beyond that here are some other eclipse plugins that are free:
> > >
> > > xmlbuddy - http://xmlbuddy.com/2.0/products.html - the free edition is
> > > good
> > > enough for my uses and honestly comes close to matching MyEclispe
> > >
> > > quantumDB - http://quantum.sourceforge.net/ - just as good as
> myeclipse
> > >
> > > Aptanta - http://www.aptana.com/ - it is sort of heavy but a really
> > robust
> > > JS, CSS and XML editor, once again the free edition is good enough.
> > >
> > > Spket  - http://www.spket.com/ - an alternative to Aptana and very
> > > nice.Ihave not looked at XML in it but it does support Flex
> > > development too.
> > >
> > > Fujaba - http://wwwcs.uni-paderborn.de/cs/fujaba/ - a bit flakey
> eclipse
> > > support but a nice free UML editor none the less. If i recall there is
> > an
> > > eclipse project now for UML...I know there is an IBM product which is
> > what
> > > we are evaluating at work.
> > >
> > >
> > > A few years ago I would have said MyEclipse is a no brainer, these
> days
> > I
> > > don't believe that anymore. Even in java development it has become
> > harder
> > > and harder to justify the cost. I know the cost difference is
> > substantial
> > > but if I am going to spend money on an IDE these days for Java it will
> > be
> > > spent on IntelliJ.
> > >
> > > Adam Haskell
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance."
> > - Will Durant
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Eclipse vs MyEclipse

2008-03-31 Thread Adam Haskell
Thanks for reminding me. I ment to post a link to Yoxos,
http://ondemand.yoxos.com/geteclipse/start . I am working on a profile to
open up to everyone, but I am waiting for BlueDragon to release so I can get
that in there, so May 4th.

Adam Haskell

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Gerald Guido <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> You can get all of these plugins (I think) with out having to install them
> one at a time by using Pulse. Except for XML buddy (I think).
>
> http://www.poweredbypulse.com/
>
> Basically you can make custom eclipse builds and Pulse manages all the
> dependencies for you. Including a couple CFEclipse builds and Aptana. It
> is
> a very slick tool.
>
> V 2 didn't have all the kinks worked out last time I tried it. It takes a
> lot of the grief out of creating custom eclipse builds. Kinda like how
> Linux
> package managers manage all your dependencies.
>
> You can try out MyEclipse with Pulse as well.
>
> hth,
> G
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > MyEclipse is not worth the price, especially with the onset of WTP from
> > eclipse foundation, and some other nice plugins. Check my blog entry out
> > about setting up WTP,
> > http://cfrant.blogspot.com/2008/03/jboss-eclipse-and-bluedragon.html .
> > Beyond that here are some other eclipse plugins that are free:
> >
> > xmlbuddy - http://xmlbuddy.com/2.0/products.html - the free edition is
> > good
> > enough for my uses and honestly comes close to matching MyEclispe
> >
> > quantumDB - http://quantum.sourceforge.net/ - just as good as myeclipse
> >
> > Aptanta - http://www.aptana.com/ - it is sort of heavy but a really
> robust
> > JS, CSS and XML editor, once again the free edition is good enough.
> >
> > Spket  - http://www.spket.com/ - an alternative to Aptana and very
> > nice.Ihave not looked at XML in it but it does support Flex
> > development too.
> >
> > Fujaba - http://wwwcs.uni-paderborn.de/cs/fujaba/ - a bit flakey eclipse
> > support but a nice free UML editor none the less. If i recall there is
> an
> > eclipse project now for UML...I know there is an IBM product which is
> what
> > we are evaluating at work.
> >
> >
> > A few years ago I would have said MyEclipse is a no brainer, these days
> I
> > don't believe that anymore. Even in java development it has become
> harder
> > and harder to justify the cost. I know the cost difference is
> substantial
> > but if I am going to spend money on an IDE these days for Java it will
> be
> > spent on IntelliJ.
> >
> > Adam Haskell
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance."
> - Will Durant
>
>
> 

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Re: Eclipse vs MyEclipse

2008-03-31 Thread Gerald Guido
You can get all of these plugins (I think) with out having to install them
one at a time by using Pulse. Except for XML buddy (I think).

http://www.poweredbypulse.com/

Basically you can make custom eclipse builds and Pulse manages all the
dependencies for you. Including a couple CFEclipse builds and Aptana. It is
a very slick tool.

V 2 didn't have all the kinks worked out last time I tried it. It takes a
lot of the grief out of creating custom eclipse builds. Kinda like how Linux
package managers manage all your dependencies.

You can try out MyEclipse with Pulse as well.

hth,
G


On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> MyEclipse is not worth the price, especially with the onset of WTP from
> eclipse foundation, and some other nice plugins. Check my blog entry out
> about setting up WTP,
> http://cfrant.blogspot.com/2008/03/jboss-eclipse-and-bluedragon.html .
> Beyond that here are some other eclipse plugins that are free:
>
> xmlbuddy - http://xmlbuddy.com/2.0/products.html - the free edition is
> good
> enough for my uses and honestly comes close to matching MyEclispe
>
> quantumDB - http://quantum.sourceforge.net/ - just as good as myeclipse
>
> Aptanta - http://www.aptana.com/ - it is sort of heavy but a really robust
> JS, CSS and XML editor, once again the free edition is good enough.
>
> Spket  - http://www.spket.com/ - an alternative to Aptana and very
> nice.Ihave not looked at XML in it but it does support Flex
> development too.
>
> Fujaba - http://wwwcs.uni-paderborn.de/cs/fujaba/ - a bit flakey eclipse
> support but a nice free UML editor none the less. If i recall there is an
> eclipse project now for UML...I know there is an IBM product which is what
> we are evaluating at work.
>
>
> A few years ago I would have said MyEclipse is a no brainer, these days I
> don't believe that anymore. Even in java development it has become harder
> and harder to justify the cost. I know the cost difference is substantial
> but if I am going to spend money on an IDE these days for Java it will be
> spent on IntelliJ.
>
> Adam Haskell
>
>
>


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Re: Eclipse vs MyEclipse

2008-03-30 Thread Adam Haskell
MyEclipse is not worth the price, especially with the onset of WTP from
eclipse foundation, and some other nice plugins. Check my blog entry out
about setting up WTP,
http://cfrant.blogspot.com/2008/03/jboss-eclipse-and-bluedragon.html .
Beyond that here are some other eclipse plugins that are free:

xmlbuddy - http://xmlbuddy.com/2.0/products.html - the free edition is good
enough for my uses and honestly comes close to matching MyEclispe

quantumDB - http://quantum.sourceforge.net/ - just as good as myeclipse

Aptanta - http://www.aptana.com/ - it is sort of heavy but a really robust
JS, CSS and XML editor, once again the free edition is good enough.

Spket  - http://www.spket.com/ - an alternative to Aptana and very
nice.Ihave not looked at XML in it but it does support Flex
development too.

Fujaba - http://wwwcs.uni-paderborn.de/cs/fujaba/ - a bit flakey eclipse
support but a nice free UML editor none the less. If i recall there is an
eclipse project now for UML...I know there is an IBM product which is what
we are evaluating at work.


A few years ago I would have said MyEclipse is a no brainer, these days I
don't believe that anymore. Even in java development it has become harder
and harder to justify the cost. I know the cost difference is substantial
but if I am going to spend money on an IDE these days for Java it will be
spent on IntelliJ.

Adam Haskell


On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 8:57 PM, ColdFusion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> That I am aware of but do you see any benefit by using MyEclipse other
> than
> it coming pre-loaded with all the plugins?
> Most of which I would not use but the ones useful in my opinion are UML,
> CSS, Javascript, and DBExplorer, not to mention SVN and CF
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:52 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Eclipse vs MyEclipse
>
> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 6:31 PM, ColdFusion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >  I have used both (briefly) now besides the cost between the two, what
> are
> >  the major benefits in using one version the other.
> >
> >  MyEclipse comes with a price tag and just trying to see what is the
> major
> >  benefit to purchase it rather than using Eclipse.
> >
> >  Anyone tell me their experience with both? Why one would be preferred
> over
> >  the other?
>
> MyEclipse has a price tag because out of the box it supports CSS,
> JavaScript, XML and a boatload of other technologies (i'm sure there's
> a laundry list on the MyEclipse web page you can check out).
>
> Eclipse, out of the box, is a pretty bare-bones IDE.  You need to add
> plugins for the various technologies that you want to use (some of
> which may be free, some of which may be commercial).
>
>
> --
> Evelyn the dog, having undergone further modification pondered the
> significance of short-person behaviour in pedal depressed,
> pan-chromatic resonance, and other highly ambient domains. "Arf," she
> said.
>
>
>
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RE: Eclipse vs MyEclipse

2008-03-30 Thread ColdFusion
That I am aware of but do you see any benefit by using MyEclipse other than
it coming pre-loaded with all the plugins?
Most of which I would not use but the ones useful in my opinion are UML,
CSS, Javascript, and DBExplorer, not to mention SVN and CF

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From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Eclipse vs MyEclipse

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 6:31 PM, ColdFusion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>  I have used both (briefly) now besides the cost between the two, what are
>  the major benefits in using one version the other.
>
>  MyEclipse comes with a price tag and just trying to see what is the major
>  benefit to purchase it rather than using Eclipse.
>
>  Anyone tell me their experience with both? Why one would be preferred
over
>  the other?

MyEclipse has a price tag because out of the box it supports CSS,
JavaScript, XML and a boatload of other technologies (i'm sure there's
a laundry list on the MyEclipse web page you can check out).

Eclipse, out of the box, is a pretty bare-bones IDE.  You need to add
plugins for the various technologies that you want to use (some of
which may be free, some of which may be commercial).


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Re: Eclipse vs MyEclipse

2008-03-30 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 6:31 PM, ColdFusion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  I have used both (briefly) now besides the cost between the two, what are
>  the major benefits in using one version the other.
>
>  MyEclipse comes with a price tag and just trying to see what is the major
>  benefit to purchase it rather than using Eclipse.
>
>  Anyone tell me their experience with both? Why one would be preferred over
>  the other?

MyEclipse has a price tag because out of the box it supports CSS,
JavaScript, XML and a boatload of other technologies (i'm sure there's
a laundry list on the MyEclipse web page you can check out).

Eclipse, out of the box, is a pretty bare-bones IDE.  You need to add
plugins for the various technologies that you want to use (some of
which may be free, some of which may be commercial).


-- 
Evelyn the dog, having undergone further modification pondered the
significance of short-person behaviour in pedal depressed,
pan-chromatic resonance, and other highly ambient domains. "Arf," she
said.

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Eclipse vs MyEclipse

2008-03-30 Thread ColdFusion
 

I have used both (briefly) now besides the cost between the two, what are
the major benefits in using one version the other.

 

MyEclipse comes with a price tag and just trying to see what is the major
benefit to purchase it rather than using Eclipse.

 

Anyone tell me their experience with both? Why one would be preferred over
the other?




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