RE: Home Site+ and Windows 7
All this talk of Homesite+ not running in Windows 7 got me to the following link: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx --- XP MODE I tried it out with the following: Pentium 4 processor w/2gigs memory running Win7 Ultimate. Installed the Windows XP Mode module, Windows Virtual PC, and the Windows XP Mode update. It gave me a legit copy of XP Pro that I then installed Homesite +, CF8 in developer mode, IIS6 and my CFX tags and voila, I can get at and run these in a not too slow environment. So now I am going to migrate it to my development machine and I feel it will majorily speed up, but hey it's not to shabby and I sure like it. Terry Troxel ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334332 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Raymond Camden wrote: I know this was for Sean, but I'd like to chime in too. ;) Since you can add custom dictionaries and you can tell CFB which is active, couldn't the Railo folks simply create and share a library? There's a Railo dictionary file (that's basically a copy of the cf9 dictionary) in CFEclipse, theoretically sharable with CFB. A goal of mine is to realize an online dictionary editing/sharing type deal, and a plugin to load/publish them for CFE (should work with CFB too). I've laid some groundwork at this point and not much more, but, well, someday. :Denny -- I see it all perfectly; there are two possible situations - one can either do this or that. My honest opinion and my friendly advice is this: do it or do not do it - you will regret both. Soren Kierkegaard ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334316 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Home Site+ and Windows 7
In the beginning Eclipse was just too daunting to approach for a Homesite adept. But as I was warming to the concept of CFEclipse CFBuilder emerged. And after having seen a thorough demonstration of CFBuilder by Ben Forta over at the Dutch CFUG I was almost over to the CFBuilder masses. But, and there's a big BUT, the built in RDS functions that make CFBuilder just do all that littlebit extra over CFEclipse is not supported or useful for Railo-users. And since I've been using Railo for development and production now for more than a year, it didn't quite feel right to pay for CFBuilder when it (excluing the RDS-functions) does almost the same stuff as CFEclipse. And then the step from Homesite to CFEclipse suddenly seemed daunting again, especially knowing that there might be quite a learning curve. Something I not always have time for in between clients ;-) But maybe, maybe, I'll take the step towards CFEclipse soon... Sebastiaan = So long and thanx 4 all the fish == Onlinebase.nl Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 22:59:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7 From: seancorfi...@gmail.com To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:51 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: I've had the same instance running for like a month, so I plumb forgot! ;)p Yeah, on my 3 yr old MBP it takes about 28 seconds to start (I just timed it) but since it stays open for weeks at a time that's just not an issue. On my new desktop it opens in a few seconds (and again it stays open for weeks at a time). I will admit I switched from CFEclipse and (early builds of CFBuilder) to TextMate for a more streamlined memory / performance experience but when CFBuilder 1.0 launched I was happy to switch back as the features it offers are worth the extra RAM / CPU cycles :) -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwoo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334249 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
Isn't there an adobe CF8 plugin available that also provides RDS? While I've never used such - I've always found it easier to use either a SQL plugin in Eclipse or use use a separate program like MySQL Workbench or Oracle SQL Developer. regards, larry In the beginning Eclipse was just too daunting to approach for a Homesite adept. But as I was warming to the concept of CFEclipse CFBuilder emerged. And after having seen a thorough demonstration of CFBuilder by Ben Forta over at the Dutch CFUG I was almost over to the CFBuilder masses. But, and there's a big BUT, the built in RDS functions that make CFBuilder just do all that littlebit extra over CFEclipse is not supported or useful for Railo-users. And since I've been using Railo for development and production now for more than a year, it didn't quite feel right to pay for CFBuilder when it (excluing the RDS-functions) does almost the same stuff as CFEclipse. And then the step from Homesite to CFEclipse suddenly seemed daunting again, especially knowing that there might be quite a learning curve. Something I not always have time for in between clients ;-) But maybe, maybe, I'll take the step towards CFEclipse soon... Sebastiaan = So long and thanx 4 all the fish == Onlinebase.nl Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 22:59:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7 From: seancorfi...@gmail.com To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:51 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: I've had the same instance running for like a month, so I plumb forgot! ;)p Yeah, on my 3 yr old MBP it takes about 28 seconds to start (I just timed it) but since it stays open for weeks at a time that's just not an issue. On my new desktop it opens in a few seconds (and again it stays open for weeks at a time). I will admit I switched from CFEclipse and (early builds of CFBuilder) to TextMate for a more streamlined memory / performance experience but when CFBuilder 1.0 launched I was happy to switch back as the features it offers are worth the extra RAM / CPU cycles :) -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwoo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334253 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
I've had the same instance running for like a month, so I plumb forgot! ;)p Yeah, on my 3 yr old MBP it takes about 28 seconds to start (I just timed it) but since it stays open for weeks at a time that's just not an issue. On my new desktop it opens in a few seconds (and again it stays open for weeks at a time). I have a four year old black macbook. Eclipse doesn't take anywhere near that long to load, perhaps 15 seconds at the most. I'll have to time things when I get home this evening. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334254 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
Hey Sean, how do you feel about using CFBuilder with Railo? It seems to me that it works fine with CF9 but since most of my new dev is with Railo, I've tried to use CFBuilder and it seems like it just gets in the way, expecting that I'm using CF9 and not really understanding that that my server might be something else. I'd pay for CFBuilder if it worked well with my setup but since I'm using Railo I haven't seen anything compelling over CFEclipse. Since you are also involved in the Railo project, what are your thoughts on CFEclipse vs CFBuilder with Railo or OpenBD as a server? Cheers, Judah On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:51 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: I've had the same instance running for like a month, so I plumb forgot! ;)p Yeah, on my 3 yr old MBP it takes about 28 seconds to start (I just timed it) but since it stays open for weeks at a time that's just not an issue. On my new desktop it opens in a few seconds (and again it stays open for weeks at a time). I will admit I switched from CFEclipse and (early builds of CFBuilder) to TextMate for a more streamlined memory / performance experience but when CFBuilder 1.0 launched I was happy to switch back as the features it offers are worth the extra RAM / CPU cycles :) -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwoo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334268 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
I know this was for Sean, but I'd like to chime in too. ;) Since you can add custom dictionaries and you can tell CFB which is active, couldn't the Railo folks simply create and share a library? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: Hey Sean, how do you feel about using CFBuilder with Railo? It seems to me that it works fine with CF9 but since most of my new dev is with Railo, I've tried to use CFBuilder and it seems like it just gets in the way, expecting that I'm using CF9 and not really understanding that that my server might be something else. I'd pay for CFBuilder if it worked well with my setup but since I'm using Railo I haven't seen anything compelling over CFEclipse. Since you are also involved in the Railo project, what are your thoughts on CFEclipse vs CFBuilder with Railo or OpenBD as a server? Cheers, Judah On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:51 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: I've had the same instance running for like a month, so I plumb forgot! ;)p Yeah, on my 3 yr old MBP it takes about 28 seconds to start (I just timed it) but since it stays open for weeks at a time that's just not an issue. On my new desktop it opens in a few seconds (and again it stays open for weeks at a time). I will admit I switched from CFEclipse and (early builds of CFBuilder) to TextMate for a more streamlined memory / performance experience but when CFBuilder 1.0 launched I was happy to switch back as the features it offers are worth the extra RAM / CPU cycles :) -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwoo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334269 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
That would work for syntax, which is great, but the things that tripped me up with CFBuilder and Railo were the bits where it expects you to set up your local dev server, asking you if you want to start/stop it, using RDS to introspect datasources to scaffold CFCs for you, do line debugging, etc. I know they are all optional things to use and I certainly have no problems with Adobe more tightly connecting their IDE with their Server product but I found that those couplings were nice when working with CF9 but irritating with Railo. Code completion, syntax highlighting, etc are things I can get in CFEclipse, so I was just curious whether there was a good argument for using CFBuilder with Railo or whether my perception that the value added benefits of CFBuilder were really only present when you are also using CF9 was backed up by the experiences of others. Cheers, Judah On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote: I know this was for Sean, but I'd like to chime in too. ;) Since you can add custom dictionaries and you can tell CFB which is active, couldn't the Railo folks simply create and share a library? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: Hey Sean, how do you feel about using CFBuilder with Railo? It seems to me that it works fine with CF9 but since most of my new dev is with Railo, I've tried to use CFBuilder and it seems like it just gets in the way, expecting that I'm using CF9 and not really understanding that that my server might be something else. I'd pay for CFBuilder if it worked well with my setup but since I'm using Railo I haven't seen anything compelling over CFEclipse. Since you are also involved in the Railo project, what are your thoughts on CFEclipse vs CFBuilder with Railo or OpenBD as a server? Cheers, Judah ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334271 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
Railo doesn't implement any RDS apis? RDS is just a HTTP hit. You could always just look at the network communication and mimic it. ;) (Ok, I know, non-trivial.) The RDS stuff in Dreamweaver for example uses JavaScript. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: That would work for syntax, which is great, but the things that tripped me up with CFBuilder and Railo were the bits where it expects you to set up your local dev server, asking you if you want to start/stop it, using RDS to introspect datasources to scaffold CFCs for you, do line debugging, etc. I know they are all optional things to use and I certainly have no problems with Adobe more tightly connecting their IDE with their Server product but I found that those couplings were nice when working with CF9 but irritating with Railo. Code completion, syntax highlighting, etc are things I can get in CFEclipse, so I was just curious whether there was a good argument for using CFBuilder with Railo or whether my perception that the value added benefits of CFBuilder were really only present when you are also using CF9 was backed up by the experiences of others. Cheers, Judah On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote: I know this was for Sean, but I'd like to chime in too. ;) Since you can add custom dictionaries and you can tell CFB which is active, couldn't the Railo folks simply create and share a library? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: Hey Sean, how do you feel about using CFBuilder with Railo? It seems to me that it works fine with CF9 but since most of my new dev is with Railo, I've tried to use CFBuilder and it seems like it just gets in the way, expecting that I'm using CF9 and not really understanding that that my server might be something else. I'd pay for CFBuilder if it worked well with my setup but since I'm using Railo I haven't seen anything compelling over CFEclipse. Since you are also involved in the Railo project, what are your thoughts on CFEclipse vs CFBuilder with Railo or OpenBD as a server? Cheers, Judah ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334279 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: Hey Sean, how do you feel about using CFBuilder with Railo? It works pretty well for me, to be honest. Sure, it doesn't know how to stop / start Tomcat (my preferred container for Railo) but it really doesn't get in the way either. I actually have a CF9 dev edition installed (standalone, not connected to Apache) to run extensions. I opened a bug about the error messages that pop up if you try to run extensions on a server CFB can't determine the status of - and let the CFB team know that I'd *really* like that fixed :) I like that I have CF9 syntax highlighting because it makes it easier for me to write portable code. CFB highlights missing semicolons (Railo allows you to omit semicolons in cfscript, just like you can in ActionScript and JavaScript - and Groovy and Scala and...) and uses of obj[method](args) which Railo also allows but CF9 does not (I opened a bug for that since the CFML Advisory Committee agreed it should work and I saw Adobe have verified the bug so I'm hoping it makes it into 9.0.1 :) Overall I find CFB makes me more productive and is definitely worth the $299 I paid for it the day it was released. @Ray: re custom dictionaries, yes, we may create a Railo dictionary at some point but with the goal of 3.2 being full script compatibility with CF9 the dictionary wouldn't be very different :) Most of the changes would be extra functions, or extra optional arguments on functions (e.g., we allow multiple caches to be defined with names so the cache*() functions all allow an optional named argument specifying which cache to operate on). And, yeah, a few tags and function would be missing (although that list is shrinking almost daily). -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334284 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote: Railo doesn't implement any RDS apis? RDS is just a HTTP hit. You could always just look at the network communication and mimic it. ;) (Ok, I know, non-trivial.) The RDS stuff in Dreamweaver for example uses JavaScript. Sounds like a great candidate for a community project: http://projects.getrailo.org/ Over time, many of those projects get promoted to the core product (the ajax tags are being folded into the core for 3.2 and the installers probably will be as well). -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334285 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
How many folks think of a web site or a web application when they're editing / creating new files? Do folks really find it a stretch to go from that concept to an actual site/project in their IDE? I'm genuinely curious about this because I can't imagine working without sites / projects and I want to really understand why there is such a pushback on this... Thanx! It's not the files that are already part of my web application that usually present a problem-- it's the exceptions that crop up from time to time that are really annoying. One of the most common scenarios for me is when I've downloaded some bit of code or UDF off the Internet. Since it's not part of any actual site yet and probably laying on my desktop in a zip file, I'll just want to quickly open it up and read through it to see if I feel like using it or just want to delete it. My 2nd most common scenario is usually some bit of javascript or HTML code that I have copied and wish to toss in a temporary .html file and quickly edit for the sake of veiwing in a browser. My 3rd scenario is the very handy HTML and XML code formatted from Homesite. I would regularly use Homsite to open random config files off my hard drive for formatting that had nothing to do with the web. So, sometimes I will want to use a feature of the editor on a random text file. And my 4th scenario is the rare occasion that I would need to open a file directly off one of my staging or production servers via a UNC file path. Loading hundreds of megs of code over a network into a project just to deal with one file is not really an option. Now there might be work-arounds or alternative methods for each of my scenarios, but the fact of the matter is that's what I'm used to, it works very well, and why should I shoe-horn each of those exceptions into a project when they don't need to be? For the rest of the files I edit that are actually part of an established application, I don't have any problem with projects with the exception that Eclipse can sometimes be painfully slow when switching from one to another. ~Brad ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334239 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Brad Wood b...@bradwood.com wrote: One of the most common scenarios for me is when I've downloaded some bit of code or UDF off the Internet. Since it's not part of any actual site yet and probably laying on my desktop in a zip file, I'll just want to quickly open it up and read through it to see if I feel like using it or just want to delete it. Don't need a project for that. You can just open the files from the File view. My 2nd most common scenario is usually some bit of javascript or HTML code that I have copied and wish to toss in a temporary .html file and quickly edit for the sake of veiwing in a browser. You'd need to do in an existing project (I have a scratch project for such purposes based on my default webroot). My 3rd scenario is the very handy HTML and XML code formatted from Homesite. I would regularly use Homsite to open random config files off my hard drive for formatting that had nothing to do with the web. So, sometimes I will want to use a feature of the editor on a random text file. Could use File view to open files (so you don't need a project) and I'm pretty sure HTML / XML formatting is built in (to CFBuilder). And my 4th scenario is the rare occasion that I would need to open a file directly off one of my staging or production servers via a UNC file path. Loading hundreds of megs of code over a network into a project just to deal with one file is not really an option. Again, File view works for that. Thanx for sharing the scenarios. I find it very interesting to hear how other developers work since we all have strong preferences regarding our workflows :) Of course, I'm on a Mac so Homesite/CFS has never been an option but I've used a lot of different editors / IDEs over the years... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret At ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334240 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Home Site+ and Windows 7
I'm glad to know that File View covers those scenarios. I won a copy of CF Builder at my local user group so I'll be installing it soon and I'll keep that in mind. Thanks! ~Brad Original Message Subject: Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7 From: Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com Date: Wed, June 02, 2010 3:10 pm To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Again, File view works for that. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334241 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
And the File View in CF Builder is based on Aptana which you can install as a free plugin to any install of Eclipse, so if you don't like CF Builder for some reason, you can still get the same File View with CFEclipse if you like. And remember that CFBuilder, being an Eclipse plugin, can utilize most any other Eclipse plugin running along side it. So if you want, say, UML modeling and CFBuilder doesn't do it, you can probably find a couple of Eclipse plugins that you can use for that functionality. The hard part is wading through all the plugins out there and figuring out what set works for you. It is a big ocean. Cheers, Judah On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:50 PM, b...@bradwood.com wrote: I'm glad to know that File View covers those scenarios. I won a copy of CF Builder at my local user group so I'll be installing it soon and I'll keep that in mind. Thanks! ~Brad Original Message Subject: Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7 From: Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com Date: Wed, June 02, 2010 3:10 pm To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Again, File view works for that. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334243 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
It's probably worth noting (although I'd heard CFB did this out of the box?) that you *can* associate Eclipse with a file type on the OS, so opening said file type works the way it works with normal applications. I can download a cfml file and double-click on it, and have it open in CFEclipse. Network paths work the same way, click, click, boom. I incorporated this into CFEclipse, but you can add the EclipseCall plugin to CFB if it really doesn't have the ability. HIH! :Den -- Concepts, like individuals, have their histories and are just as incapable of withstanding the ravages of time as are individuals. But in and through all this they retain a kind of homesickness for the scenes of their childhood. Soren Kierkegaard On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Brad Wood wrote: One of the most common scenarios for me is when I've downloaded some bit of code or UDF off the Internet. Since it's not part of any actual site yet and probably laying on my desktop in a zip file, I'll just want to quickly open it up and read through it to see if I feel like using it or just want to delete it. Don't need a project for that. You can just open the files from the File view. My 2nd most common scenario is usually some bit of javascript or HTML code that I have copied and wish to toss in a temporary .html file and quickly edit for the sake of veiwing in a browser. You'd need to do in an existing project (I have a scratch project for such purposes based on my default webroot). My 3rd scenario is the very handy HTML and XML code formatted from Homesite. I would regularly use Homsite to open random config files off my hard drive for formatting that had nothing to do with the web. So, sometimes I will want to use a feature of the editor on a random text file. Could use File view to open files (so you don't need a project) and I'm pretty sure HTML / XML formatting is built in (to CFBuilder). And my 4th scenario is the rare occasion that I would need to open a file directly off one of my staging or production servers via a UNC file path. Loading hundreds of megs of code over a network into a project just to deal with one file is not really an option. Again, File view works for that. Thanx for sharing the scenarios. I find it very interesting to hear how other developers work since we all have strong preferences regarding our workflows :) Of course, I'm on a Mac so Homesite/CFS has never been an option but I've used a lot of different editors / IDEs over the years... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret At ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334245 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Home Site+ and Windows 7
You forgot to mention that eclipse takes about 45 seconds to load :) Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG (402) 408-3733 ext 105 Skype: markakruger www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: denstar [mailto:valliants...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:14 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7 It's probably worth noting (although I'd heard CFB did this out of the box?) that you *can* associate Eclipse with a file type on the OS, so opening said file type works the way it works with normal applications. I can download a cfml file and double-click on it, and have it open in CFEclipse. Network paths work the same way, click, click, boom. I incorporated this into CFEclipse, but you can add the EclipseCall plugin to CFB if it really doesn't have the ability. HIH! :Den -- Concepts, like individuals, have their histories and are just as incapable of withstanding the ravages of time as are individuals. But in and through all this they retain a kind of homesickness for the scenes of their childhood. Soren Kierkegaard On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Brad Wood wrote: One of the most common scenarios for me is when I've downloaded some bit of code or UDF off the Internet. Since it's not part of any actual site yet and probably laying on my desktop in a zip file, I'll just want to quickly open it up and read through it to see if I feel like using it or just want to delete it. Don't need a project for that. You can just open the files from the File view. My 2nd most common scenario is usually some bit of javascript or HTML code that I have copied and wish to toss in a temporary .html file and quickly edit for the sake of veiwing in a browser. You'd need to do in an existing project (I have a scratch project for such purposes based on my default webroot). My 3rd scenario is the very handy HTML and XML code formatted from Homesite. I would regularly use Homsite to open random config files off my hard drive for formatting that had nothing to do with the web. So, sometimes I will want to use a feature of the editor on a random text file. Could use File view to open files (so you don't need a project) and I'm pretty sure HTML / XML formatting is built in (to CFBuilder). And my 4th scenario is the rare occasion that I would need to open a file directly off one of my staging or production servers via a UNC file path. Loading hundreds of megs of code over a network into a project just to deal with one file is not really an option. Again, File view works for that. Thanx for sharing the scenarios. I find it very interesting to hear how other developers work since we all have strong preferences regarding our workflows :) Of course, I'm on a Mac so Homesite/CFS has never been an option but I've used a lot of different editors / IDEs over the years... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret At ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334246 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
I've had the same instance running for like a month, so I plumb forgot! ;)p :Den -- During the first period of a man's life the greatest danger is not to take the risk. Soren Kierkegaard On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Mark A. Kruger wrote: You forgot to mention that eclipse takes about 45 seconds to load :) Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG (402) 408-3733 ext 105 Skype: markakruger www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334247 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:51 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: I've had the same instance running for like a month, so I plumb forgot! ;)p Yeah, on my 3 yr old MBP it takes about 28 seconds to start (I just timed it) but since it stays open for weeks at a time that's just not an issue. On my new desktop it opens in a few seconds (and again it stays open for weeks at a time). I will admit I switched from CFEclipse and (early builds of CFBuilder) to TextMate for a more streamlined memory / performance experience but when CFBuilder 1.0 launched I was happy to switch back as the features it offers are worth the extra RAM / CPU cycles :) -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwoo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334248 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: However, beg to differ on the CFBuilder example. If you're not working in a project, go file new coldfusion page. If you're not in a project, you can't do a thing. Useless. I realize that this is an Eclipse behavior, but it's useless, and it's why I don't use Eclipse for Java dev, either. Yes, I can edit existing files on the filesystem. And you can Save As... to create new files anywhere you want but, you're right, you can't just create new files in a folder. I'm surprised that doesn't work and might even consider it a bug (go open a bug on the public bugbase for CFBuilder). Of course, I've never run into that (odd) behavior because, well, I've been using projects for years. I can't even imagine not using a project for each web site I work on... I mean, you have a web root already... why isn't that your project? I guess at this point I'd have to ask about working practices: How many folks think of a web site or a web application when they're editing / creating new files? Do folks really find it a stretch to go from that concept to an actual site/project in their IDE? I'm genuinely curious about this because I can't imagine working without sites / projects and I want to really understand why there is such a pushback on this... Thanx! -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret A ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334145 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
Can't speak for others, but it's a real challenge for me because I may be primarily working on one application at any given time, but I also support many other legacy applications. These are all, in fact, in one web root on the web server, but each is an entirely separate site and application with unique code. When I need to quickly jump over to tweak one file on one app that I probably won't look at again for 3 months, it is a Colossal pain to have to create Project, wait for the project to load (most of them are large = many subdirs and files), and then make what is a simple change. And considering just how badly CFB lags when a project has huge numbers of files, I cannot imagine what it would take to attempt mounting all sites from one of our servers into a single project. Now, on the flip side, I've been using CVS and SVN for years, and I completely 'get' the concept of a project and how and why to use them. I love using projects in CFB when it's the current app I'm working on, because of all the tools that come with the IDE, like knowing how files relate to each other and what objects are being called. But being limited to using projects is a true PITA when I'm working on that other 23-30%. HomeSite+ simply rules at this aspect of work. On 5/31/2010 1:51 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: However, beg to differ on the CFBuilder example. If you're not working in a project, go file new coldfusion page. If you're not in a project, you can't do a thing. Useless. I realize that this is an Eclipse behavior, but it's useless, and it's why I don't use Eclipse for Java dev, either. Yes, I can edit existing files on the filesystem. And you can Save As... to create new files anywhere you want but, you're right, you can't just create new files in a folder. I'm surprised that doesn't work and might even consider it a bug (go open a bug on the public bugbase for CFBuilder). Of course, I've never run into that (odd) behavior because, well, I've been using projects for years. I can't even imagine not using a project for each web site I work on... I mean, you have a web root already... why isn't that your project? I guess at this point I'd have to ask about working practices: How many folks think of a web site or a web application when they're editing / creating new files? Do folks really find it a stretch to go from that concept to an actual site/project in their IDE? I'm genuinely curious about this because I can't imagine working without sites / projects and I want to really understand why there is such a pushback on this... Thanx! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334149 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
I guess at this point I'd have to ask about working practices: How many folks think of a web site or a web application when they're editing / creating new files? Do folks really find it a stretch to go from that concept to an actual site/project in their IDE? I always work within a project. But I also understand that at times you just want to create a chunk of code to experiment on. Usually when I am doing this I am trying to learn something and not actually building a 'site' or what I am experimenting with will eventually be used in a site but not in the exact form of my experimental code. However, since I do experimental code, I want to keep track of it for later reference so I created a project just for experimental code. So even when I am just creating a file to see what happens with some random code, I still am within a project. Projects in Eclipse are no mystery and they DO NOT get in the way of your file system access. An Eclipse project is nothing more than a portion of your file system that has a hidden Eclipse project file so Eclipse knows that that portion of the regular file system is a project. Since my laptop runs CF/Apache I have a webroot. All my projects (sites, experimental code, etc) are in my webroot. This means that CF can process my code that is in any project. If I need to have a proper URL for actual site testing I create Apache Virtual Hosts and add entries to my hosts file. I have domains on my laptop such as http://www.trunkful.dev. This way testing each site/project is very easy and isolated from the others. When I am not using a project I simply close it and Eclipse ignores it until I reopen it meaning that having 20 or so projects won't hurt performance if you only have the one(s) you are working on open. To close a project right click on it and select close. Then a month from now when you need to reopen it you do not have to do an import. Its there and just needs to be opened. Setting up your local dev environment like this (or similar) is a simple task and usually makes life much easier as a programmer. Like Sean, I do not understand the resistance to projects/sites etc. Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator Wil Genovese Consulting 651-894-4238 wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On May 31, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: I guess at this point I'd have to ask about working practices: How many folks think of a web site or a web application when they're editing / creating new files? Do folks really find it a stretch to go from that concept to an actual site/project in their IDE? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334150 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
For some people, there's a lot not to like about Dreamweaver or CFBuilder...primarily that we already own paid for and licensed copies of Homesite+. Now, I'm one of the lucky ones who also owns Dreamweaver CS4 and CFBuilder, but, honestly, I can't get used to either of them...there are enough niggling little annoyances in both of them to have me going back to Homesite+. For example: Dreamweaver's code completion is broken. And by broken, I mean it isn't there. I want to type atag and have it automatically create /atag as soon as I type the last caret in the opening tag. It doesn't do that. CFBuilder insists that I work in projects. Sorry, CFBuilder and Eclipse, that's not how I work and stop trying to force me into a work paradigm that I don't like. So, yeah, there are those of us who prefer to use HomeSite+, just like there are people who still use vi. To those of you who aren't using Dreamweaver, CFBuilder, or Homesite+, what are you using and how does it work for CF development? Pete On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Larry Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: In all honesty maybe its time to move on. Homesite+ and CF STudio are ancient, and have been eol's a while back. CFBuilder or CFEclipse are viable replacements and are more capable in many ways. than a fossil like HS. I just bought a new computer with Windows 7. My beloved Home Site+ won't work in Windows 7. It worked fine with XP and 2000. What are you all using for development on windows 7 that has similar functionality to Home Site+? I was also using the client tools of Enterprise Manager for SQL Server 2000 on Windows XP to remotely connect to my databases. Now I've read that won't work either on Windows 7. Any suggestions for that? Sebastian ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334124 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Pete Ruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: Dreamweaver's code completion is broken. And by broken, I mean it isn't there. I want to type atag and have it automatically create /atag as soon as I type the last caret in the opening tag. It doesn't do that. Sure it does. Go to Preferences Code Hints and tell it when you want closing tags to be added. The default is at / but it can also do after - I just set it to that and tested for both HTML and CFML and it works fine. CFBuilder insists that I work in projects. No it doesn't. It _encourages_ projects in the same way Dreamweaver _encourages_ sites but you certainly don't have to use it that way. The Files view lets you work on your file system without projects (and I believe you can set it up so double-clicking an arbitrary CFML file opens the file in CFBuilder (on Windows - not so sure about Mac). To those of you who aren't using Dreamweaver, CFBuilder, or Homesite+, what are you using and how does it work for CF development? I was using TextMate for about a year after I got tired of CFEclipse bugs and the early CFBuilder builds being buggy. I've never liked DW for CF development because it's just not code-centric enough for me. When CFBuilder was released, I bought a copy and I think it's excellent. It has so many features that make me so much more productive than any IDE I've used for CF before. Some of those are Eclipse features (e.g., open resource), some are CFBuilder features (built-in access to servers, administrators, log view, code insight, SQL insight) some are Aptana features (JS code insight). I also have direct integration with SVN and git (via plugins). Charlie Arehart has published some great tips on configuring DW and now CFB to suit your workflow as well as some awesome presentations on both. Check out http://carehart.org/ for details. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atw ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334125 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
Thanks for the Dreamweaver tip...I'll see if making that annoyance go away will make Dreamweaver more usable for me. However, beg to differ on the CFBuilder example. If you're not working in a project, go file new coldfusion page. If you're not in a project, you can't do a thing. Useless. I realize that this is an Eclipse behavior, but it's useless, and it's why I don't use Eclipse for Java dev, either. Yes, I can edit existing files on the filesystem. Pete On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Pete Ruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: Dreamweaver's code completion is broken. And by broken, I mean it isn't there. I want to type atag and have it automatically create /atag as soon as I type the last caret in the opening tag. It doesn't do that. Sure it does. Go to Preferences Code Hints and tell it when you want closing tags to be added. The default is at / but it can also do after - I just set it to that and tested for both HTML and CFML and it works fine. CFBuilder insists that I work in projects. No it doesn't. It _encourages_ projects in the same way Dreamweaver _encourages_ sites but you certainly don't have to use it that way. The Files view lets you work on your file system without projects (and I believe you can set it up so double-clicking an arbitrary CFML file opens the file in CFBuilder (on Windows - not so sure about Mac). To those of you who aren't using Dreamweaver, CFBuilder, or Homesite+, what are you using and how does it work for CF development? I was using TextMate for about a year after I got tired of CFEclipse bugs and the early CFBuilder builds being buggy. I've never liked DW for CF development because it's just not code-centric enough for me. When CFBuilder was released, I bought a copy and I think it's excellent. It has so many features that make me so much more productive than any IDE I've used for CF before. Some of those are Eclipse features (e.g., open resource), some are CFBuilder features (built-in access to servers, administrators, log view, code insight, SQL insight) some are Aptana features (JS code insight). I also have direct integration with SVN and git (via plugins). Charlie Arehart has published some great tips on configuring DW and now CFB to suit your workflow as well as some awesome presentations on both. Check out http://carehart.org/ for details. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atw ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334132 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
Honestly this is much to do over nothing. Code editors have been a bone of contention since the advent of writing code, or so it seems The original holy wars were fought over emacs and vi and nothing has come of the countless hours spent debating what essentially comes down to personal preference. Besides, REAL PROGRAMMERS write code by rubbing two sticks of RAM together in a silicone hut fashioned by Jedi Nights, in the freezing rain whilst be attacked by Luddites brandishing huge crescent wrenches and typewriters. G! On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Pete Ruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for the Dreamweaver tip...I'll see if making that annoyance go away will make Dreamweaver more usable for me. However, beg to differ on the CFBuilder example. If you're not working in a project, go file new coldfusion page. If you're not in a project, you can't do a thing. Useless. I realize that this is an Eclipse behavior, but it's useless, and it's why I don't use Eclipse for Java dev, either. Yes, I can edit existing files on the filesystem. Pete On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Pete Ruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: Dreamweaver's code completion is broken. And by broken, I mean it isn't there. I want to type atag and have it automatically create /atag as soon as I type the last caret in the opening tag. It doesn't do that. Sure it does. Go to Preferences Code Hints and tell it when you want closing tags to be added. The default is at / but it can also do after - I just set it to that and tested for both HTML and CFML and it works fine. CFBuilder insists that I work in projects. No it doesn't. It _encourages_ projects in the same way Dreamweaver _encourages_ sites but you certainly don't have to use it that way. The Files view lets you work on your file system without projects (and I believe you can set it up so double-clicking an arbitrary CFML file opens the file in CFBuilder (on Windows - not so sure about Mac). To those of you who aren't using Dreamweaver, CFBuilder, or Homesite+, what are you using and how does it work for CF development? I was using TextMate for about a year after I got tired of CFEclipse bugs and the early CFBuilder builds being buggy. I've never liked DW for CF development because it's just not code-centric enough for me. When CFBuilder was released, I bought a copy and I think it's excellent. It has so many features that make me so much more productive than any IDE I've used for CF before. Some of those are Eclipse features (e.g., open resource), some are CFBuilder features (built-in access to servers, administrators, log view, code insight, SQL insight) some are Aptana features (JS code insight). I also have direct integration with SVN and git (via plugins). Charlie Arehart has published some great tips on configuring DW and now CFB to suit your workflow as well as some awesome presentations on both. Check out http://carehart.org/ for details. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atw ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334136 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
I have been using Topstyle for several years and like it. Since I write most of my code by cutting and pasting what has worked I don't rely on great libraries of tools Rob On 24 May 2010 at 15:21, Jerry Barnes wrote: Periodically, I'll download a bunch of editors to see if any match the features I like about Homesite +.None have been able to replace Homesite + though. Topystyle 4 is the only one to come remotely close. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp /1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:33 3962 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334031 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Home Site+ and Windows 7
Hi Justin, Simple: I don't use the RDS-functions ;-) Haven't for quite some years. There are so many good SQL-editors out there (Built in editor in MS SQL 2005 Express, SQL-Yog) that I use those when I need to introspect a database. Sorry I cannot be of more help there. But the editor itself works doesn't it, it's just some parts that you cannot get working? Sebastiaan = So long and thanx 4 all the fish == Onlinebase.nl Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 09:19:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7 From: s...@who.net To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com yes HomeSite+ rocks. I tried running EN 2000 in compatibility mode in Windows 7. It did not work. I had to try to install SQL Studio Management several times before being successful. The GOOD NEWS is that I can connect my SQL 2000 databases. The BAD NEWS is that I can't run SQL Queries The message I get is 'Unable to start Transact SQL debugger. The transact SQL debugger does not support SQL server 2005 or earlier SQL Server'. When I try to modify an existing table from SQL 2000, I get the message 'Saving changes is not permitted. The changes you have made require the table to be dropped and recreated. You have either made changes to a table that can't be created or enabled the option Prevent saving changes that require the table to be re-created.' How did you get around that? What are you all using for development on windows 7 that has similar functionality to Home Site+? I was going to suggest XP compatibility mode as well but I see you already have it working. As for Enterprise Manager, I believe it will work in compatibility mode also, but I'd suggest dropping it in favor of SQL Management Studio instead. It will still manage SQL Server 2000 just fine and is a lot more streamlined than Enterprise Manager was. I switched with the Windows upgrade and haven't looked back. On the editor front though, you can pry HomeSite from my cold, dead, hands (unless another EDITOR comes along which is better; I don't need a full-on IDE like CF Builder to get in my way). -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333951 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Home Site+ and Windows 7
When I try to modify an existing table from SQL 2000, I get the message 'Saving changes is not permitted. The changes you have made require the table to be dropped and recreated. You have either made changes to a table that can't be created or enabled the option Prevent saving changes that require the table to be re-created.' How did you get around that? This is enabled by default and has to be turned off in most cases. Under Tools - Options, select Designers. There should be a setting in there called Prevent saving changes that require table re-creation. Uncheck that box and save the settings and it will get around that issue. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333961 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
Periodically, I'll download a bunch of editors to see if any match the features I like about Homesite +.None have been able to replace Homesite + though. Topystyle 4 is the only one to come remotely close. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333962 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Home Site+ and Windows 7
Hi, I still use Homesite 5.5+ on Win7/Vista/XP/Win2K and it seems to work for me. What errors are you gettin'? Sebastiaan (with 2 a's) = So long and thanx 4 all the fish == Onlinebase.nl Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 20:56:41 -0400 Subject: Home Site+ and Windows 7 From: s...@who.net To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com I just bought a new computer with Windows 7. My beloved Home Site+ won't work in Windows 7. It worked fine with XP and 2000. What are you all using for development on windows 7 that has similar functionality to Home Site+? I was also using the client tools of Enterprise Manager for SQL Server 2000 on Windows XP to remotely connect to my databases. Now I've read that won't work either on Windows 7. Any suggestions for that? Sebastian ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333929 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
yes HomeSite+ rocks. I tried running EN 2000 in compatibility mode in Windows 7. It did not work. I had to try to install SQL Studio Management several times before being successful. The GOOD NEWS is that I can connect my SQL 2000 databases. The BAD NEWS is that I can't run SQL Queries The message I get is 'Unable to start Transact SQL debugger. The transact SQL debugger does not support SQL server 2005 or earlier SQL Server'. When I try to modify an existing table from SQL 2000, I get the message 'Saving changes is not permitted. The changes you have made require the table to be dropped and recreated. You have either made changes to a table that can't be created or enabled the option Prevent saving changes that require the table to be re-created.' How did you get around that? What are you all using for development on windows 7 that has similar functionality to Home Site+? I was going to suggest XP compatibility mode as well but I see you already have it working. As for Enterprise Manager, I believe it will work in compatibility mode also, but I'd suggest dropping it in favor of SQL Management Studio instead. It will still manage SQL Server 2000 just fine and is a lot more streamlined than Enterprise Manager was. I switched with the Windows upgrade and haven't looked back. On the editor front though, you can pry HomeSite from my cold, dead, hands (unless another EDITOR comes along which is better; I don't need a full-on IDE like CF Builder to get in my way). -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333930 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
In all honesty maybe its time to move on. Homesite+ and CF STudio are ancient, and have been eol's a while back. CFBuilder or CFEclipse are viable replacements and are more capable in many ways. than a fossil like HS. I just bought a new computer with Windows 7. My beloved Home Site+ won't work in Windows 7. It worked fine with XP and 2000. What are you all using for development on windows 7 that has similar functionality to Home Site+? I was also using the client tools of Enterprise Manager for SQL Server 2000 on Windows XP to remotely connect to my databases. Now I've read that won't work either on Windows 7. Any suggestions for that? Sebastian ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333931 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
In all honesty maybe its time to move on. Homesite+ and CF STudio are ancient, and have been eol's a while back. CFBuilder or CFEclipse are viable replacements and are more capable in many ways. than a fossil like HS. i got HS working on windows 7. maybe in the future. i read that CFBuilder is coming out with a new version called Bolt. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333940 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
Umm, Bolt was the code name for ColdFusion Builder during the alphas and betas. ColdFusion Builder *is* the IDE that was Bolt. In other words, Bolt is done and gone. ColdFusion Builder is what you want. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333942 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
Wow - you're behind on the news. Bolt was the code name for version one of CFBuilder. That was released March. Now there is Update 1 to CFBuilder that fixes some of the critical bugs. Version 2 of CFBuilder is in the planning stages. I think they are calling it Storm? Or was that the code name for the next version of ColdFusion server? Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On May 23, 2010, at 2:25 PM, s...@who.net s...@who.net wrote: In all honesty maybe its time to move on. Homesite+ and CF STudio are ancient, and have been eol's a while back. CFBuilder or CFEclipse are viable replacements and are more capable in many ways. than a fossil like HS. i got HS working on windows 7. maybe in the future. i read that CFBuilder is coming out with a new version called Bolt. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333943 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote: Version 2 of CFBuilder is in the planning stages. I think they are calling it Storm? Or was that the code name for the next version of ColdFusion server? Storm is ColdFusion Builder 2. ColdFusion 10 is Link. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwoo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333945 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
Ah yes, Link as in missing? Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. On May 23, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote: Version 2 of CFBuilder is in the planning stages. I think they are calling it Storm? Or was that the code name for the next version of ColdFusion server? Storm is ColdFusion Builder 2. ColdFusion 10 is Link. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwoo ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333946 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
yes, i am behind in the news :-). anyway, for now I've got my HS site issue resolved with Windows 7. What have people done with Enterprise Manager for SQL 2000 in windows 7? I think I've resigned myself to upgrading the database to SLQ Server 2008 so that I can use SQL studio. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333948 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Home Site+ and Windows 7
I got it running ... see my tips here http://www.coldfusionmuse.com/index.cfm/2010/2/11/xp.pro.32.to.win.7.64 Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: s...@who.net s...@who.net [mailto:s...@who.net] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 6:03 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7 yes, i am behind in the news :-). anyway, for now I've got my HS site issue resolved with Windows 7. What have people done with Enterprise Manager for SQL 2000 in windows 7? I think I've resigned myself to upgrading the database to SLQ Server 2008 so that I can use SQL studio. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333949 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
Did you try to run it in XP compatability mode?? Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2010, at 6:56 PM, s...@who.net s...@who.net s...@who.net wrote: I just bought a new computer with Windows 7. My beloved Home Site+ won't work in Windows 7. It worked fine with XP and 2000. What are you all using for development on windows 7 that has similar functionality to Home Site+? I was also using the client tools of Enterprise Manager for SQL Server 2000 on Windows XP to remotely connect to my databases. Now I've read that won't work either on Windows 7. Any suggestions for that? Sebastian ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333924 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
Did you try to run it in XP compatability mode?? Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2010, at 6:56 PM, s...@who.net s...@who.net s...@who.net wrote: William, I just did and it worked. kudos! Do you think the same thing can work with Enterprise Manager for SQL server 2000? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333925 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Home Site+ and Windows 7
That's a different beast... Try it, I guess Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2010, at 7:15 PM, s...@who.net s...@who.net s...@who.net wrote: Did you try to run it in XP compatability mode?? Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2010, at 6:56 PM, s...@who.net s...@who.net s...@who.net wrote: William, I just did and it worked. kudos! Do you think the same thing can work with Enterprise Manager for SQL server 2000? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333926 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Home Site+ and Windows 7
What are you all using for development on windows 7 that has similar functionality to Home Site+? I was going to suggest XP compatibility mode as well but I see you already have it working. As for Enterprise Manager, I believe it will work in compatibility mode also, but I'd suggest dropping it in favor of SQL Management Studio instead. It will still manage SQL Server 2000 just fine and is a lot more streamlined than Enterprise Manager was. I switched with the Windows upgrade and haven't looked back. On the editor front though, you can pry HomeSite from my cold, dead, hands (unless another EDITOR comes along which is better; I don't need a full-on IDE like CF Builder to get in my way). -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:333927 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
