Re: I knew your name was Neo
I'll plus one this as well! Very excited! - Original Message - From: Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:22 PM Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo is being treated more like an updater. I've been upgrading machines left, right and center to the latest available Red Sky build and I'm very happy with it. NDAI can't say any more than that./NDA I just want to plus one this. I don't think it's a violation of the NDA to say I'm _very_ psyched about RedSky. === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc (www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: I knew your name was Neo
On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 04:30 PM, Sean A Corfield wrote: On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 13:24 US/Pacific, Joshua Miller wrote: Anyone know a roundabout, approximate, not-held-to-anything-legal, guesstimate release date? I think Christian said this summer... This summer is as specific as we can be at this point. It's not so much that it's top secret information as the fact that we won't release it until we are certain it's ready. Christian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
-Original Message- From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 04:30 PM, Sean A Corfield wrote: On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 13:24 US/Pacific, Joshua Miller wrote: Anyone know a roundabout, approximate, not-held-to-anything-legal, guesstimate release date? I think Christian said this summer... This summer is as specific as we can be at this point. It's not so much that it's top secret information as the fact that we won't release it until we are certain it's ready. After spending some time with Tomb Radier: The Angel of Darkness I really wish that Eidos had said the same thing. (Actually they DID say the same thing... they just LIED!) ;^) Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: I knew your name was Neo
On Tuesday, Jul 8, 2003, at 09:16 US/Pacific, Mahmut Basaran wrote: You know, you sometimes need to tell this to others. I have been using coldfusion since version 4. I remember the first time I installed 4.0, very first one. It just worked. I remember the first time I installed CFMX (pre-beta). It just worked. I can't count how many times I've installed CFMX now on Windows, Mac, Solaris, Linux, in Server and J2EE editions. And, you know, almost every single time, it just works. Amazing. Most of those installs have been done without even bothering to read the installation notes (so, hey, some of my initial J2EE installs were unsuccessful because I didn't RTFM - my bad). I've done a bunch of upgrades too... last night I upgraded two Solaris servers and a Mac laptop, today I upgraded two Windows 2000 servers and the Mac laptop again. Now, I'd say that out of maybe a 100, maybe even 200, installs I've had just a handful go wrong (why so many? back in the day I was installing up to eight different builds of CFMX in a single day... the joys of beta-testing :) I'm sorry you did not have a smooth install - as others pointed out, Macromedia offer free support for installation problems. You didn't say what sort of problems you encountered during the install, nor how you established it was due to the unsupported locale setting, but it sounds like you did eventually get it installed and working? Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
Mahmut, While I also agree that your email was in bad taste...I do also have to agree with most things you said. I think most people on this list went through what you've gone through. I can't even count the number of posts to cf-talk that asked about the real-cache issue. We shouldn't have to codger and tweak and coax an application server to work. CF-5 was fantastic, simple installation. I seriously believe that Macromedia dropped the ball big time with the CFMX release...it wasn't ready. Updater 3 seems to have resolved most of the major issues. Not a great start for early adopters though. I hope they're taking note... I figure for every angry CFMX poster out there... There must be hundreds that haven't posted or even read CF-Talk. Here's hoping Red-Sky addresses some of our concerns. Sincerely, Ben. -Original Message- From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo Hi Michael, You know, you sometimes need to tell this to others. I have been using coldfusion since version 4. I remember the first time I installed 4.0, very first one. It just worked. Then I read the 1st chapter in cfdoc, and typed in the commands. Then it worked too. Installation and 1st .cfm page didn't take longer than 1 hour. Funny things was, It was the first time I used a server-side scripting language. I have been using cf for a while and a member of cftalk for a while too, I really like them both. But you know, after spending 10 hours for nothing, it doesn't add too much to send such an email. That's why I did it. Have a great day, Mahmut - Original Message - From: Michael Tangorre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo Was that email really necessary? Is being a total smart ass-jerk going to resolve any of your issues? It sucks you had so many problems, but please do not act like a child. The cf-talk list is available to help you and work with you. MX is not perfect, but its getting there. Don't give up yet. Mike -Original Message- From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: I knew your name was Neo Hi Macromedia, How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know what happened last night.. I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. I spent more than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried several installs and uninstalls (which takes longer than install), and after performing several reformats I found out the problem was the locale setting of Windows 2000 Server (which was set to Turkish during install). Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine. Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your webserver (which you do not recommend for production) that runs on port 8500. Thank you for your locale support. Thank you for not letting me know about the real-cache attribute on my very first install. Thank you for COM problems after I upgrade from version 4.5 to mx. Thank you for making me wait 10ms each time I refresh my code. Thank you for your great Jrun connector. Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting add-ons. Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 15sec delay. Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of my server's memory with just sitting there. Thank you for crashing the server each time someone uploads an infinite loop or use mirror includes. Thank you for your only 140 megs installation. It's nice to know that cf is heavier than php's 2meg installation but performs the same functions (with/out addons). (list keeps going...) and finally I would like to thank you for all the pain. Keep up the good work and keep up coding with the ms style furnished code. I'm curious to see the next episode. You're the Best of Best! You're awesome! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
I seriously believe that Macromedia dropped the ball big time with the CFMX release...it wasn't ready. I think it's fair to say that CFMX was released when it was it was to coincide with the release of all the other -MX level applications. As such, it's release date was dictated more by the pressures of getting a product into the marketplace than it's production-worthiness. I love CFMX. It's opened so many new doors to all CF developers -- it's an amazing step forward. However, whilst appreciating that the product under the hood was a complete rewrite, I personally feel there were too many unresolved issues with the first release for it to have been considered sufficiently ready. Having said that, a director once said, films are never finished, just abandoned. The same is true of software and when you start discussing whether something is ready or not, you're getting into the realms of a discussion that can never be resolved. -- Aidan Whitehall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia ColdFusion Developer Fairbanks Environmental Ltd +44 (0)1695 51775 Queen's Awards Winner 2003 http://www.fairbanks.co.uk/go/awards This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
I know that email wasn't in a perfect taste, but problems macromedia caused since the first release of cfmx wasn't in great taste either. CF mx was supposed to be the coolest coldfusion ever, but I think it's the worst release ever. Coldfusion was famous with ease of use in all terms, but mx changed the way it was. I signed up for this list when I was using 4.5. At these days, when someone sent an email saying cf is crashing people here were recommending to check server's memory. But now Hopefully, red sky doesn't mean acid rain... Another beautiful day in Central Anatolia has just begun, Mahmut Basaran Mahmut, While I also agree that your email was in bad taste...I do also have to agree with most things you said. I think most people on this list went through what you've gone through. I can't even count the number of posts to cf-talk that asked about the real-cache issue. We shouldn't have to codger and tweak and coax an application server to work. CF-5 was fantastic, simple installation. I seriously believe that Macromedia dropped the ball big time with the CFMX release...it wasn't ready. Updater 3 seems to have resolved most of the major issues. Not a great start for early adopters though. I hope they're taking note... I figure for every angry CFMX poster out there... There must be hundreds that haven't posted or even read CF-Talk. Here's hoping Red-Sky addresses some of our concerns. Sincerely, Ben. -Original Message- From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo Hi Michael, You know, you sometimes need to tell this to others. I have been using coldfusion since version 4. I remember the first time I installed 4.0, very first one. It just worked. Then I read the 1st chapter in cfdoc, and typed in the commands. Then it worked too. Installation and 1st .cfm page didn't take longer than 1 hour. Funny things was, It was the first time I used a server-side scripting language. I have been using cf for a while and a member of cftalk for a while too, I really like them both. But you know, after spending 10 hours for nothing, it doesn't add too much to send such an email. That's why I did it. Have a great day, Mahmut - Original Message - From: Michael Tangorre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo Was that email really necessary? Is being a total smart ass-jerk going to resolve any of your issues? It sucks you had so many problems, but please do not act like a child. The cf-talk list is available to help you and work with you. MX is not perfect, but its getting there. Don't give up yet. Mike -Original Message- From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: I knew your name was Neo Hi Macromedia, How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know what happened last night.. I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. I spent more than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried several installs and uninstalls (which takes longer than install), and after performing several reformats I found out the problem was the locale setting of Windows 2000 Server (which was set to Turkish during install). Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine. Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your webserver (which you do not recommend for production) that runs on port 8500. Thank you for your locale support. Thank you for not letting me know about the real-cache attribute on my very first install. Thank you for COM problems after I upgrade from version 4.5 to mx. Thank you for making me wait 10ms each time I refresh my code. Thank you for your great Jrun connector. Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting add-ons. Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 15sec delay. Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of my server's memory with just sitting there. Thank you for crashing the server each time someone uploads an infinite loop or use mirror includes. Thank you for your only 140 megs installation. It's nice to know that cf is heavier than php's 2meg installation but performs the same functions (with/out addons). (list keeps going...) and finally I would like to thank you for all the pain. Keep up the good work and keep up coding with the ms style furnished code. I'm curious to see the next episode. You're the Best of Best! You're awesome! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method
RE: I knew your name was Neo
Well...I think they know that at Macromedia and have said here and over on CF-Community (the few brave MM employees that venture there hee hee) that they are working on the installation procedure to make it a little more seamless. Correct...here's hoping on RedSky! ^_^ -Gel -Original Message- From: Ben Koshy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mahmut, While I also agree that your email was in bad taste...I do also have to agree with most things you said. I think most people on this list went through what you've gone through. I can't even count the number of posts to cf-talk that asked about the real-cache issue. We shouldn't have to codger and tweak and coax an application server to work. CF-5 was fantastic, simple installation. I seriously believe that Macromedia dropped the ball big time with the CFMX release...it wasn't ready. Updater 3 seems to have resolved most of the major issues. Not a great start for early adopters though. I hope they're taking note... I figure for every angry CFMX poster out there... There must be hundreds that haven't posted or even read CF-Talk. Here's hoping Red-Sky addresses some of our concerns. Sincerely, Ben. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
Ben said, I think most people on this list went through what you've gone through. I would amend that to read I think most people ~who complained~ on this list went through what you've gone through. RTFA(rchives) already. Can we beat this subject more to death? Maybe another 20 posts endlessly debating nothing, and saying nothing that hasn't already been said 400 times in 1 or 2 different ways? With another CFMX visible on the horizon, I bet MM gets it by now. Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSB Designs, Inc. http://mysecretbase.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: I knew your name was Neo
On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 04:13 AM, Ben Koshy wrote: Updater 3 seems to have resolved most of the major issues. Not a great start for early adopters though. I hope they're taking note... I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a huge improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many other areas, as well. Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of time and energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than working on an entirely new version of the product precisely because we have been taking note, and we realized that RedSky was the right move. Believe me when I say that RedSky is something for us to get very excited about. Christian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
Yay! Redhat 8 and 9 support! Finally :) -Original Message- From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 04:13 AM, Ben Koshy wrote: Updater 3 seems to have resolved most of the major issues. Not a great start for early adopters though. I hope they're taking note... I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a huge improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many other areas, as well. Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of time and energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than working on an entirely new version of the product precisely because we have been taking note, and we realized that RedSky was the right move. Believe me when I say that RedSky is something for us to get very excited about. Christian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: I knew your name was Neo
I don't see the value in your continuing to bemoan about how frustrated your experience was. Did you have a specfic *technical* issue or question that the users of this list can help you address, or are you just venting? - Calvin - Original Message - From: Mahmut Basaran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 6:53 AM Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo I know that email wasn't in a perfect taste, but problems macromedia caused since the first release of cfmx wasn't in great taste either. CF mx was supposed to be the coolest coldfusion ever, but I think it's the worst release ever. Coldfusion was famous with ease of use in all terms, but mx changed the way it was. I signed up for this list when I was using 4.5. At these days, when someone sent an email saying cf is crashing people here were recommending to check server's memory. But now Hopefully, red sky doesn't mean acid rain... Another beautiful day in Central Anatolia has just begun, Mahmut Basaran Mahmut, While I also agree that your email was in bad taste...I do also have to agree with most things you said. I think most people on this list went through what you've gone through. I can't even count the number of posts to cf-talk that asked about the real-cache issue. We shouldn't have to codger and tweak and coax an application server to work. CF-5 was fantastic, simple installation. I seriously believe that Macromedia dropped the ball big time with the CFMX release...it wasn't ready. Updater 3 seems to have resolved most of the major issues. Not a great start for early adopters though. I hope they're taking note... I figure for every angry CFMX poster out there... There must be hundreds that haven't posted or even read CF-Talk. Here's hoping Red-Sky addresses some of our concerns. Sincerely, Ben. -Original Message- From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 9:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo Hi Michael, You know, you sometimes need to tell this to others. I have been using coldfusion since version 4. I remember the first time I installed 4.0, very first one. It just worked. Then I read the 1st chapter in cfdoc, and typed in the commands. Then it worked too. Installation and 1st .cfm page didn't take longer than 1 hour. Funny things was, It was the first time I used a server-side scripting language. I have been using cf for a while and a member of cftalk for a while too, I really like them both. But you know, after spending 10 hours for nothing, it doesn't add too much to send such an email. That's why I did it. Have a great day, Mahmut - Original Message - From: Michael Tangorre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo Was that email really necessary? Is being a total smart ass-jerk going to resolve any of your issues? It sucks you had so many problems, but please do not act like a child. The cf-talk list is available to help you and work with you. MX is not perfect, but its getting there. Don't give up yet. Mike -Original Message- From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: I knew your name was Neo Hi Macromedia, How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know what happened last night.. I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. I spent more than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried several installs and uninstalls (which takes longer than install), and after performing several reformats I found out the problem was the locale setting of Windows 2000 Server (which was set to Turkish during install). Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine. Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your webserver (which you do not recommend for production) that runs on port 8500. Thank you for your locale support. Thank you for not letting me know about the real-cache attribute on my very first install. Thank you for COM problems after I upgrade from version 4.5 to mx. Thank you for making me wait 10ms each time I refresh my code. Thank you for your great Jrun connector. Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting add-ons. Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 15sec delay. Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of my server's memory with just sitting there. Thank you for crashing the server each time someone uploads an infinite loop or use mirror includes. Thank you for your only 140 megs installation. It's nice to know that cf is heavier than php's 2meg installation but performs the same functions (with/out addons). (list keeps going
RE: I knew your name was Neo
I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a huge improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many other areas, as well. Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of time and energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than Giving it away for free? What are you saying? RedSky will be a free application server? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: I knew your name was Neo
Same rules as CFMX Updaters. So, if you have a legal registered copy it will be free for you. -Frank - Original Message - From: Ben Koshy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a huge improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many other areas, as well. Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of time and energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than Giving it away for free? What are you saying? RedSky will be a free application server? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: I knew your name was Neo
RedSky is a free upgrade for those who have a registered copy of CFMX. Its basically the same as updater 3, 2 and 1. I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a huge improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many other areas, as well. Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of time and energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than Giving it away for free? What are you saying? RedSky will be a free application server? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
oh, cool. so its not a *MAJOR RELEASE* more of a consummate updater with lots of bug fixes...? tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo RedSky is a free upgrade for those who have a registered copy of CFMX. Its basically the same as updater 3, 2 and 1. I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a huge improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many other areas, as well. Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of time and energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than Giving it away for free? What are you saying? RedSky will be a free application server? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
*dresses in party attire with little island hat* *wiggles excitedly* *grabs for confetti to throw into air* When! When! When! *bounces around room* When when! Is there going to be a party? Am I invited??? ... ... ... Will it be Free Drinks? ^_^ -Gel -Original Message- From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a huge improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many other areas, as well. Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of time and energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than working on an entirely new version of the product precisely because we have been taking note, and we realized that RedSky was the right move. Believe me when I say that RedSky is something for us to get very excited about. Christian ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Well, the upgrades to specific things that I can't mention makes it somewhere between a bug fix and a major release. More on the major side, but not exactly full major. Once they put in lots of content deleted due to NDA then it'll be totally fantastic. I'm really looking forward to the next release. oh, cool. so its not a *MAJOR RELEASE* more of a consummate updater with lots of bug fixes...? tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo RedSky is a free upgrade for those who have a registered copy of CFMX. Its basically the same as updater 3, 2 and 1. I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a huge improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many other areas, as well. Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of time and energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than Giving it away for free? What are you saying? RedSky will be a free application server? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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At 04:03 PM 7/9/03 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: full major. Once they put in lots of content deleted due to NDA then it'll be totally fantastic. I'm really looking forward to the next release. Do you mean you are really looking forward to the RedSky release, or the release after that? T Tired of your bookmarks/favourites being limited to one computer? Move them to the Net! www.stuffbythane.com/webfavourites makes it easy to keep all your favourites in one place and access them from any computer that's attached to the Internet. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I can say there are a lot of nice CFC fixes (was given specific permission to mention them at mx on the rocks and cffun). You can download my presentations sometime later today (been lazy) or right now from cfconf.org/cfun-03 (or something like that). === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc (www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo Well, the upgrades to specific things that I can't mention makes it somewhere between a bug fix and a major release. More on the major side, but not exactly full major. Once they put in lots of content deleted due to NDA then it'll be totally fantastic. I'm really looking forward to the next release. oh, cool. so its not a *MAJOR RELEASE* more of a consummate updater with lots of bug fixes...? tony weeg ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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From what I know not being part of the beta, I've been thinking of RedSky as CF v6.5. -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, July 9, 2003, 3:42:25 PM, you wrote: TW oh, cool. so its not a *MAJOR RELEASE* more of a consummate updater TW with lots of bug fixes...? TW tony weeg TW uncertified advanced cold fusion developer TW tony at navtrak dot net TW www.navtrak.net TW office 410.548.2337 TW fax 410.860.2337 TW -Original Message- TW From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TW Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:43 PM TW To: CF-Talk TW Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo TW RedSky is a free upgrade for those who have a registered copy of CFMX. TW Its basically the same as updater 3, 2 and 1. I would just like to make sure that people know that Macromedia absolutely has been taking note, and with RedSky, you will see a huge improvement with respect to not just installation, but in many other areas, as well. Macromedia chose to spend a great deal of time and energy on RedSky, and to give it away for free, rather than Giving it away for free? What are you saying? RedSky will be a free application server? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Both. Redsky is nice and I'm using it live on a site already (www.lotauctions.com). It has a lot of things that people will like and it'll be a worthy upgrade. The release after that is also going to be fantastic. I have to say this for those who think that MM is not focused on CF. They are. They have plans for the language that will make us end users happy. They have plans that will help expand its corporate market which will result in more jobs for us. They have plans to make it connect better to things like Flash (Firefly is really nice for non-Flash types). I don't know all their plans but I do know that they are looking out for us. And no, I don't work for MM and am not paid for the above. :) At 04:03 PM 7/9/03 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote: full major. Once they put in lots of content deleted due to NDA then it'll be totally fantastic. I'm really looking forward to the next release. Do you mean you are really looking forward to the RedSky release, or the release after that? T Tired of your bookmarks/favourites being limited to one computer? Move them to the Net! www.stuffbythane.com/webfavourites makes it easy to keep all your favourites in one place and access them from any computer that's attached to the Internet. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 12:42 US/Pacific, Tony Weeg wrote: oh, cool. so its not a *MAJOR RELEASE* more of a consummate updater with lots of bug fixes...? I think a lot of people will feel it is a major release - even tho' it is being treated more like an updater. I've been upgrading machines left, right and center to the latest available Red Sky build and I'm very happy with it. NDAI can't say any more than that./NDA Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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same here...i have it on my two dev boxes, and with three (2 maybe) betas and 1 rc, no problems iis/win2k server/cfmx(redSky) rock-n-f**kin ro man tony weeg uncertified advanced cold fusion developer tony at navtrak dot net www.navtrak.net office 410.548.2337 fax 410.860.2337 -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 12:42 US/Pacific, Tony Weeg wrote: oh, cool. so its not a *MAJOR RELEASE* more of a consummate updater with lots of bug fixes...? I think a lot of people will feel it is a major release - even tho' it is being treated more like an updater. I've been upgrading machines left, right and center to the latest available Red Sky build and I'm very happy with it. NDAI can't say any more than that./NDA Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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is being treated more like an updater. I've been upgrading machines left, right and center to the latest available Red Sky build and I'm very happy with it. NDAI can't say any more than that./NDA I just want to plus one this. I don't think it's a violation of the NDA to say I'm _very_ psyched about RedSky. === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc (www.mindseye.com) Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia) Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus/blog Yahoo IM : morpheus My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Anyone know a roundabout, approximate, not-held-to-anything-legal, guesstimate release date? Thanks, Joshua Miller Head Programmer / IT Manager Garrison Enterprises Inc. www.garrisonenterprises.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (704) 569-0801 ext. 254 * Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender states them to be the views of Garrison Enterprises Inc. This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 12:42 US/Pacific, Tony Weeg wrote: oh, cool. so its not a *MAJOR RELEASE* more of a consummate updater with lots of bug fixes...? I think a lot of people will feel it is a major release - even tho' it is being treated more like an updater. I've been upgrading machines left, right and center to the latest available Red Sky build and I'm very happy with it. NDAI can't say any more than that./NDA Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Wednesday, Jul 9, 2003, at 13:24 US/Pacific, Joshua Miller wrote: Anyone know a roundabout, approximate, not-held-to-anything-legal, guesstimate release date? I think Christian said this summer... Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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-- Original Message -- From: Sean A Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think Christian said this summer... So, those of you in Australia have to wait until at least December . . . . :) Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
VERY feature-rich administrator It's the greatest admin, missing log file link in first release was another great feature. Probably requires the Enterprise Edition fail over Great feature, it definetly fails over on you from time to time. Good thing is it doesn't even tell you unless you type some weird commands during install. === Requires Enterprise Edition load balancing I'm not sure, I don't use it... === Requires Enterprise Edition many enterprise database drivers Which many don't use. === Requires Enterprise Edition. Actually many of us use Enterprise database servers. tons of samples Install them to your production server, and you'll have problems. === Macromedia recommend you do NOT install them on production servers. COM bridge I think it stands for Composite Oriented Malfunction. It performs it's job just great too. === No comment. NDA. the Java run time http://www.middleware-company.com/j2eedotnetbench/report.shtml === No comment. NDA. lots of other crap Yeah, definetly. Lots of other crap to make it 140 megs. === Again NDA. 140 meg installation yeah, it looks good in the locker === Again NDA. ** The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments to it, is intended for the use of the addressee and is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, read, forward, copy or retain any of the information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify the sender by return e-mail or telephone. The Commonwealth does not warrant that any attachments are free from viruses or any other defects. You assume all liability for any loss, damage or other consequences which may arise from opening or using the attachments. *** ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
-Original Message- From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I knew your name was Neo VERY feature-rich administrator It's the greatest admin, missing log file link in first release was another great feature. I thought so. fail over Great feature, it definetly fails over on you from time to time. Good thing is it doesn't even tell you unless you type some weird commands during install. Weird commands? This from somebody promoting PHP? I thought you folks liked everything to be done from the command line? load balancing I'm not sure, I don't use it... I'm sure. I use it. many enterprise database drivers Which many don't use. But some do... ALL software has grown in size due to features only some use. It's called the 80/20 rule: you use 20 percent of any software packages features 80 percent of the time. It's more like the 90/10 now - but SOMEBODY does use them. Are you honestly suggesting that features be removed because only some people use them? tons of samples Install them to your production server, and you'll have problems. Install them to your development server and you'll have applications! Again, are you saying that development tools should be left out of the package simply because you wouldn't use them in production? COM bridge I think it stands for Composite Oriented Malfunction. It performs it's job just great too. Name me a Java engine that does it better. the Java run time http://www.middleware-company.com/j2eedotnetbench/report.shtml And this means what, exactly? Are you saying that this report shows that somehow the Java run time is not needed for ColdFusion or are you starting another argument? I'm confused as your link, unless I'm missing something, actually has nothing to with ColdFusion at all. Here's a (much more entertaining) link for you: http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html lots of other crap Yeah, definetly. Lots of other crap to make it 140 megs. I like the fact that you failed to mention many of other points: the K2 server, the charting engine, the advanced security engine, sandboxing, etc. The simple fact is that if 140 meg is too much for you, then you need to pick another tool. I do admit however that the crazy-eyed baby may be a tiny waste of space... Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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Yeah, I still don't understand why they don't assume multi-homed is true. That is such a pain, and I awlways foget. -Original Message- From: Taco Fleur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 July 2003 05:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo Mahmut, It takes a while to get used to CFMX, when I first installed it I also was very angry like you. It's quite a difference between the install of pre CFMX and MX. There is a lot more tweaking to be done with CFMX. But give it time and you'll start to love it. You'll just need a couple of weeks to find the right tweaks for your environment ;-)) -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2003 1:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo You're welcome! Jim Davis. -Original Message- From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: I knew your name was Neo Hi Macromedia, How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know what happened last night.. I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. I spent more than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried several installs and uninstalls (which takes longer than install), and after performing several reformats I found out the problem was the locale setting of Windows 2000 Server (which was set to Turkish during install). Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine. Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your webserver (which you do not recommend for production) that runs on port 8500. Thank you for your locale support. Thank you for not letting me know about the real-cache attribute on my very first install. Thank you for COM problems after I upgrade from version 4.5 to mx. Thank you for making me wait 10ms each time I refresh my code. Thank you for your great Jrun connector. Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting add-ons. Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 15sec delay. Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of my server's memory with just sitting there. Thank you for crashing the server each time someone uploads an infinite loop or use mirror includes. Thank you for your only 140 megs installation. It's nice to know that cf is heavier than php's 2meg installation but performs the same functions (with/out addons). (list keeps going...) and finally I would like to thank you for all the pain. Keep up the good work and keep up coding with the ms style furnished code. I'm curious to see the next episode. You're the Best of Best! You're awesome! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: I knew your name was Neo
Did you contact MM for technical support when you had issues installing? Additionally, PHP does not perform the same functions. - Calvin - Original Message - From: Mahmut Basaran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: I knew your name was Neo Hi Macromedia, How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know what happened last night.. I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. I spent more than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried several installs and uninstalls (which takes longer than install), and after performing several reformats I found out the problem was the locale setting of Windows 2000 Server (which was set to Turkish during install). Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine. Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your webserver (which you do not recommend for production) that runs on port 8500. Thank you for your locale support. Thank you for not letting me know about the real-cache attribute on my very first install. Thank you for COM problems after I upgrade from version 4.5 to mx. Thank you for making me wait 10ms each time I refresh my code. Thank you for your great Jrun connector. Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting add-ons. Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 15sec delay. Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of my server's memory with just sitting there. Thank you for crashing the server each time someone uploads an infinite loop or use mirror includes. Thank you for your only 140 megs installation. It's nice to know that cf is heavier than php's 2meg installation but performs the same functions (with/out addons). (list keeps going...) and finally I would like to thank you for all the pain. Keep up the good work and keep up coding with the ms style furnished code. I'm curious to see the next episode. You're the Best of Best! You're awesome! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
What did you do? Just upgrade your 4.5 to CFMX on your production environment? From what I'm reading that is what you have done without testing this on your test server first. As to the size of the install. Erm have a look at exactly what you are installing. There is a lot more 'content' to the CF install than to your vanilla PHP install. -Original Message- From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 July 2003 03:19 To: CF-Talk Subject: I knew your name was Neo Hi Macromedia, How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know what happened last night.. I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. I spent more than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried several installs and uninstalls (which takes longer than install), and after performing several reformats I found out the problem was the locale setting of Windows 2000 Server (which was set to Turkish during install). Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine. Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your webserver (which you do not recommend for production) that runs on port 8500. Thank you for your locale support. Thank you for not letting me know about the real-cache attribute on my very first install. Thank you for COM problems after I upgrade from version 4.5 to mx. Thank you for making me wait 10ms each time I refresh my code. Thank you for your great Jrun connector. Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting add-ons. Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 15sec delay. Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of my server's memory with just sitting there. Thank you for crashing the server each time someone uploads an infinite loop or use mirror includes. Thank you for your only 140 megs installation. It's nice to know that cf is heavier than php's 2meg installation but performs the same functions (with/out addons). (list keeps going...) and finally I would like to thank you for all the pain. Keep up the good work and keep up coding with the ms style furnished code. I'm curious to see the next episode. You're the Best of Best! You're awesome! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
I still don't understand why they don't assume multi-homed is true. I would guess that most CFMX installs aren't multi-homed, which would perhaps justify their assumption. Apparently, there's some performance advantage to the default setting. I agree that it should be more clearly documented, and perhaps exposed and described during the installation. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
I mean the number of times I've forgotten this and watched the weirdest behaviour on the server (with the obligatory irate client or two calling up). I think you could be right. Having it as part of the install process would be very useful. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 July 2003 14:54 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo I still don't understand why they don't assume multi-homed is true. I would guess that most CFMX installs aren't multi-homed, which would perhaps justify their assumption. Apparently, there's some performance advantage to the default setting. I agree that it should be more clearly documented, and perhaps exposed and described during the installation. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
At 02:03 PM 7/8/2003 +1000, you wrote: It takes a while to get used to CFMX, when I first installed it I also was very angry like you. It's quite a difference between the install of pre CFMX and MX. There is a lot more tweaking to be done with CFMX. But give it time and you'll start to love it. You'll just need a couple of weeks to find the right tweaks for your environment ;-)) I've discovered many of the tweaks for my own environment and I've finally got CFMX on top of J2EE stable. More or less. There is still far too much which is undocumented and kludgey, however, and I have yet to grow to like it. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: I knew your name was Neo
Hi Michael, You know, you sometimes need to tell this to others. I have been using coldfusion since version 4. I remember the first time I installed 4.0, very first one. It just worked. Then I read the 1st chapter in cfdoc, and typed in the commands. Then it worked too. Installation and 1st .cfm page didn't take longer than 1 hour. Funny things was, It was the first time I used a server-side scripting language. I have been using cf for a while and a member of cftalk for a while too, I really like them both. But you know, after spending 10 hours for nothing, it doesn't add too much to send such an email. That's why I did it. Have a great day, Mahmut - Original Message - From: Michael Tangorre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:45 PM Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo Was that email really necessary? Is being a total smart ass-jerk going to resolve any of your issues? It sucks you had so many problems, but please do not act like a child. The cf-talk list is available to help you and work with you. MX is not perfect, but its getting there. Don't give up yet. Mike -Original Message- From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: I knew your name was Neo Hi Macromedia, How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know what happened last night.. I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. I spent more than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried several installs and uninstalls (which takes longer than install), and after performing several reformats I found out the problem was the locale setting of Windows 2000 Server (which was set to Turkish during install). Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine. Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your webserver (which you do not recommend for production) that runs on port 8500. Thank you for your locale support. Thank you for not letting me know about the real-cache attribute on my very first install. Thank you for COM problems after I upgrade from version 4.5 to mx. Thank you for making me wait 10ms each time I refresh my code. Thank you for your great Jrun connector. Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting add-ons. Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 15sec delay. Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of my server's memory with just sitting there. Thank you for crashing the server each time someone uploads an infinite loop or use mirror includes. Thank you for your only 140 megs installation. It's nice to know that cf is heavier than php's 2meg installation but performs the same functions (with/out addons). (list keeps going...) and finally I would like to thank you for all the pain. Keep up the good work and keep up coding with the ms style furnished code. I'm curious to see the next episode. You're the Best of Best! You're awesome! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
You're welcome! Jim Davis. -Original Message- From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: I knew your name was Neo Hi Macromedia, How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know what happened last night.. I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. I spent more than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried several installs and uninstalls (which takes longer than install), and after performing several reformats I found out the problem was the locale setting of Windows 2000 Server (which was set to Turkish during install). Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine. Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your webserver (which you do not recommend for production) that runs on port 8500. Thank you for your locale support. Thank you for not letting me know about the real-cache attribute on my very first install. Thank you for COM problems after I upgrade from version 4.5 to mx. Thank you for making me wait 10ms each time I refresh my code. Thank you for your great Jrun connector. Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting add-ons. Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 15sec delay. Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of my server's memory with just sitting there. Thank you for crashing the server each time someone uploads an infinite loop or use mirror includes. Thank you for your only 140 megs installation. It's nice to know that cf is heavier than php's 2meg installation but performs the same functions (with/out addons). (list keeps going...) and finally I would like to thank you for all the pain. Keep up the good work and keep up coding with the ms style furnished code. I'm curious to see the next episode. You're the Best of Best! You're awesome! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
Well most of these, if not all issues, are being addressed by beta testers for the next release so hang in there and don't give up on MX just yet. The install file is large because of all the new bits and pieces that have been released since MX first shipped. ** The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments to it, is intended for the use of the addressee and is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, read, forward, copy or retain any of the information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify the sender by return e-mail or telephone. The Commonwealth does not warrant that any attachments are free from viruses or any other defects. You assume all liability for any loss, damage or other consequences which may arise from opening or using the attachments. *** ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
Mahmut, It takes a while to get used to CFMX, when I first installed it I also was very angry like you. It's quite a difference between the install of pre CFMX and MX. There is a lot more tweaking to be done with CFMX. But give it time and you'll start to love it. You'll just need a couple of weeks to find the right tweaks for your environment ;-)) -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 8 July 2003 1:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo You're welcome! Jim Davis. -Original Message- From: Mahmut Basaran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: I knew your name was Neo Hi Macromedia, How's it going bro ? I hope you're doing well. Do you know what happened last night.. I know you're really busy but you definetly should read that. I spent more than 10 hours to get cf mx working. I tried several installs and uninstalls (which takes longer than install), and after performing several reformats I found out the problem was the locale setting of Windows 2000 Server (which was set to Turkish during install). Thank you Macromedia for your great Jrun engine. Thank you for asking me if I would like to install your webserver (which you do not recommend for production) that runs on port 8500. Thank you for your locale support. Thank you for not letting me know about the real-cache attribute on my very first install. Thank you for COM problems after I upgrade from version 4.5 to mx. Thank you for making me wait 10ms each time I refresh my code. Thank you for your great Jrun connector. Thank you for your perfect Flash Remoting add-ons. Thank you for your cfmail which sends mail with a 15sec delay. Thank you for your consuming at least 30megs of my server's memory with just sitting there. Thank you for crashing the server each time someone uploads an infinite loop or use mirror includes. Thank you for your only 140 megs installation. It's nice to know that cf is heavier than php's 2meg installation but performs the same functions (with/out addons). (list keeps going...) and finally I would like to thank you for all the pain. Keep up the good work and keep up coding with the ms style furnished code. I'm curious to see the next episode. You're the Best of Best! You're awesome! ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: I knew your name was Neo
-Original Message- From: Tilbrook, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 11:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo Well most of these, if not all issues, are being addressed by beta testers for the next release so hang in there and don't give up on MX just yet. The install file is large because of all the new bits and pieces that have been released since MX first shipped. I just get annoyed now when people complain about the install size... especially when they compare it to PHP. Unlike PHP MX ships with the full documentation set (all 6 books), the Verity k2 engine, the Generator engine (for charting) the Java run time and at least one compiler, tons of samples (should you want them), the VERY feature-rich administrator, fail over, load balancing, many enterprise database drivers (including many sample DBs), the COM bridge and lots of other crap I can't remember. Get over it. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: I knew your name was Neo
VERY feature-rich administrator It's the greatest admin, missing log file link in first release was another great feature. fail over Great feature, it definetly fails over on you from time to time. Good thing is it doesn't even tell you unless you type some weird commands during install. load balancing I'm not sure, I don't use it... many enterprise database drivers Which many don't use. tons of samples Install them to your production server, and you'll have problems. COM bridge I think it stands for Composite Oriented Malfunction. It performs it's job just great too. the Java run time http://www.middleware-company.com/j2eedotnetbench/report.shtml lots of other crap Yeah, definetly. Lots of other crap to make it 140 megs. 140 meg installation yeah, it looks good in the locker I just get annoyed I don't see anything to get annoyed. It's a beautiful life. - Original Message - From: Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 7:19 AM Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo -Original Message- From: Tilbrook, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 11:59 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I knew your name was Neo Well most of these, if not all issues, are being addressed by beta testers for the next release so hang in there and don't give up on MX just yet. The install file is large because of all the new bits and pieces that have been released since MX first shipped. I just get annoyed now when people complain about the install size... especially when they compare it to PHP. Unlike PHP MX ships with the full documentation set (all 6 books), the Verity k2 engine, the Generator engine (for charting) the Java run time and at least one compiler, tons of samples (should you want them), the VERY feature-rich administrator, fail over, load balancing, many enterprise database drivers (including many sample DBs), the COM bridge and lots of other crap I can't remember. Get over it. Jim Davis ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
