Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
cfplug Why not give Adobe ColdFusion Builder a spin? It has built-in support for CF 7 - 9. As well as inline support for HTML, CSS, JS and SQL. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusionbuilder/ /cfplug -Adam On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:35 PM, fun and learning funandlrnn...@gmail.comwrote: Yes the latest version of CFE has a CF 9 dictionary. i.e. It supports CF9 syntax. G! On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM, fun and learning funandlrnn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me if there is a new CFEclipse plugin for Coldfusion 9? Hi All, Thanks a lot for the information. I did install the latest cfeclipse plugin, and tried a simple cfoutput example, and its working... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330530 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
I tried CFBuilder for several months and finally got fed up with glitchy code-folding. Plus, I don't want to get too used to a tool that's going to end up costing an arm and a leg. Eclipse + plugins seems to handle everything I need, without beta-testing bugs. -Brandon On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: cfplug Why not give Adobe ColdFusion Builder a spin? It has built-in support for CF 7 - 9. As well as inline support for HTML, CSS, JS and SQL. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusionbuilder/ /cfplug -Adam On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 9:35 PM, fun and learning funandlrnn...@gmail.com wrote: Yes the latest version of CFE has a CF 9 dictionary. i.e. It supports CF9 syntax. G! On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM, fun and learning funandlrnn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me if there is a new CFEclipse plugin for Coldfusion 9? Hi All, Thanks a lot for the information. I did install the latest cfeclipse plugin, and tried a simple cfoutput example, and its working... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330533 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
Brandon, What would you consider an arm and a leg? We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of ColdFusion 9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into it's own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community, not to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB so you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-) -Adam On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Brandon brandonregis...@gmail.com wrote: I tried CFBuilder for several months and finally got fed up with glitchy code-folding. Plus, I don't want to get too used to a tool that's going to end up costing an arm and a leg. Eclipse + plugins seems to handle everything I need, without beta-testing bugs. -Brandon On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: cfplug Why not give Adobe ColdFusion Builder a spin? It has built-in support for CF 7 - 9. As well as inline support for HTML, CSS, JS and SQL. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusionbuilder/ /cfplug -Adam ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330537 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
Adam, Thanks for the feedback. My comment was based mostly on heresy and existing Adobe product costs. I have not seen any official pricing yet. Many of the numbers circulating around were near the $300 mark. I understand that it's not meant to be a revenue builder, but I assume that Adobe will want to at least recuperate a fair amount of its development costs. Maybe with the growing .NET community, in addition to the (arguably similar and still free) Eclipse IDE, Adobe will eat much of the cost in order to sustain their market share. -Brandon On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Brandon, What would you consider an arm and a leg? We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of ColdFusion 9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into it's own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community, not to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB so you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-) -Adam On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Brandon brandonregis...@gmail.com wrote: I tried CFBuilder for several months and finally got fed up with glitchy code-folding. Plus, I don't want to get too used to a tool that's going to end up costing an arm and a leg. Eclipse + plugins seems to handle everything I need, without beta-testing bugs. -Brandon On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: cfplug Why not give Adobe ColdFusion Builder a spin? It has built-in support for CF 7 - 9. As well as inline support for HTML, CSS, JS and SQL. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusionbuilder/ /cfplug -Adam ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330538 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: IDE for coldfusion 9
Given the fact that most software is free that is described as built for the community, I would say that to honor that label, Adobe would have to offer it for $50 or less, if not free. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:25 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: IDE for coldfusion 9 Brandon, What would you consider an arm and a leg? We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of ColdFusion 9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into it's own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community, not to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB so you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-) -Adam On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Brandon brandonregis...@gmail.com wrote: I tried CFBuilder for several months and finally got fed up with glitchy code-folding. Plus, I don't want to get too used to a tool that's going to end up costing an arm and a leg. Eclipse + plugins seems to handle everything I need, without beta-testing bugs. -Brandon On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: cfplug Why not give Adobe ColdFusion Builder a spin? It has built-in support for CF 7 - 9. As well as inline support for HTML, CSS, JS and SQL. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusionbuilder/ /cfplug -Adam ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330539 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
I suspect that the point is more that the pricing on CFB is, as of yet, unknown, so it becomes a question of whether you want to spend a lot of time becoming familiar with a product which will likely be a commercial product (with unknown pricing) or with a tool that you know will continue to be free. Obviously the calculus will change when Adobe finally puts out pricing info for CFB. I suspect that the adoption group will differ depending on whether it is priced at $49 or $349. As for why anyone would think it might cost an arm and a leg, I would suggest that the most likely comparison is to Flex Builder. And as of Flex Builder 3, there are two versions, costing $249 and $699. Visual Studio 2008 comes in at $299 and $799. So it is not unreasonable to presume that CFBuilder would be priced somewhere in that range. Judah On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.com wrote: Brandon, What would you consider an arm and a leg? We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of ColdFusion 9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into it's own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community, not to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB so you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-) -Adam On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Brandon brandonregis...@gmail.com wrote: I tried CFBuilder for several months and finally got fed up with glitchy code-folding. Plus, I don't want to get too used to a tool that's going to end up costing an arm and a leg. Eclipse + plugins seems to handle everything I need, without beta-testing bugs. -Brandon On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: cfplug Why not give Adobe ColdFusion Builder a spin? It has built-in support for CF 7 - 9. As well as inline support for HTML, CSS, JS and SQL. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusionbuilder/ /cfplug -Adam ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330540 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
Rick, I would have to agree with that train of thought. Hopefully, it ends up being the case. -Brandon On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Given the fact that most software is free that is described as built for the community, I would say that to honor that label, Adobe would have to offer it for $50 or less, if not free. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:25 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: IDE for coldfusion 9 Brandon, What would you consider an arm and a leg? We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of ColdFusion 9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into it's own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community, not to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB so you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-) -Adam On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Brandon brandonregis...@gmail.com wrote: I tried CFBuilder for several months and finally got fed up with glitchy code-folding. Plus, I don't want to get too used to a tool that's going to end up costing an arm and a leg. Eclipse + plugins seems to handle everything I need, without beta-testing bugs. -Brandon On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: cfplug Why not give Adobe ColdFusion Builder a spin? It has built-in support for CF 7 - 9. As well as inline support for HTML, CSS, JS and SQL. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusionbuilder/ /cfplug -Adam ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330541 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
Honestly, there is no reason to *not* to think that it will not cost an appendage or two. Adobe products are not cheap. Flex builder is what? $250-300. CFStudio (may it rest in peace) used to cost $300 or $400 and given the recent 33% increase in the cost of ACF Enterprise there is no reason to not expect a price tag in the $250-300 range. G! On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Brandon, What would you consider an arm and a leg? We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of ColdFusion 9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into it's own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community, not to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB so you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330542 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
Honestly, there is no reason to *not* to think that it will not cost an appendage or two. Adobe products are not cheap. Flex builder is what? $250-300. CFStudio (may it rest in peace) used to cost $300 or $400 and given the recent 33% increase in the cost of ACF Enterprise there is no reason to not expect a price tag in the $250-300 range. You say appendage, I say a few hours of billable work. That's really the question people should be asking about this - will it save enough time to be worth paying for? We can't say yet until pricing is available, but for most people doing Flex development, a few hundred dollars is well worth it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330544 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
Gerald, A recent increase in Enterprise edition by 33% is news to me. Are you referring to the 25% increase of ColdFusion 8 Enterprise from previous versions? The price for ColdFusion 9 has not gone up at all and the rise in cost of ColdFusion 8 was the first in 8 years and we were able to isolate that to Enterprise edition only. If anything, you could say the cost of CF9 went down considerably since Adobe no longer charges for dev, test and staging environments. -Adam On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.comwrote: Honestly, there is no reason to *not* to think that it will not cost an appendage or two. Adobe products are not cheap. Flex builder is what? $250-300. CFStudio (may it rest in peace) used to cost $300 or $400 and given the recent 33% increase in the cost of ACF Enterprise there is no reason to not expect a price tag in the $250-300 range. G! On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Brandon, What would you consider an arm and a leg? We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of ColdFusion 9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into it's own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community, not to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB so you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330546 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: IDE for coldfusion 9
I certainly don't see CFB as worth any more than $50 since it doesn't seem to provide anything different than CFEclipse, which is still free. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:24 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: IDE for coldfusion 9 Honestly, there is no reason to *not* to think that it will not cost an appendage or two. Adobe products are not cheap. Flex builder is what? $250-300. CFStudio (may it rest in peace) used to cost $300 or $400 and given the recent 33% increase in the cost of ACF Enterprise there is no reason to not expect a price tag in the $250-300 range. You say appendage, I say a few hours of billable work. That's really the question people should be asking about this - will it save enough time to be worth paying for? We can't say yet until pricing is available, but for most people doing Flex development, a few hundred dollars is well worth it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330547 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
You say appendage, I say a few hours of billable work. That's really the question people should be asking about this - will it save enough time to be worth paying for? The definition of such depends on who is holding the purse strings. I have no problem with nutting up for a good editor. Hell, I recently bought CF 8 server for my own personal use. But getting bean counters at my day job to do so will be a whole nother ball of wax. If anything, you could say the cost of CF9 went down considerably since Adobe no longer charges for dev, test and staging environments. Excellent. I missed that one. Good reason to upgrade then. G! On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: Honestly, there is no reason to *not* to think that it will not cost an appendage or two. Adobe products are not cheap. Flex builder is what? $250-300. CFStudio (may it rest in peace) used to cost $300 or $400 and given the recent 33% increase in the cost of ACF Enterprise there is no reason to not expect a price tag in the $250-300 range. You say appendage, I say a few hours of billable work. That's really the question people should be asking about this - will it save enough time to be worth paying for? We can't say yet until pricing is available, but for most people doing Flex development, a few hundred dollars is well worth it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330549 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
If that were the case, I would agree with you. But the fact is, ColdFusion Builder does _a lot_ more than CFEclipse. I won't get into a marketing pitch, but I'd invite you to take a closer look. Of course, if there is anything you think we could add to make it worth more than $50, then I'd love to hear it. -Adam On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: I certainly don't see CFB as worth any more than $50 since it doesn't seem to provide anything different than CFEclipse, which is still free. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330565 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
Adam, 1. Mylyn Integration.Yes it's that important http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77480 2. Proper code folding - See cfeclipse or even Homesite to know what I mean. (here's a few items) http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=78902 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77374 3. Extensions that DON'T require a CF server to be attached - Homesite had this. 4. SPEED - so far she's a bit sluggish captian an I'm given'r all she's got. 5. And look at my feature requests here http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77440 I use CFBuilder all day everyday. Overall not to bad. There are a fair number of reports about CFB being slow in certain tasks. And I experience this. It is also painfully slow with SVN integration; SubClipse or Subversive. However, it is faster on my MacBook Pro than my Win XP Pro work computer. And this is not perceived time, but actual measured time and really only in VERY VERY large CF applications. I'm not sure if this is purely the SVN client at issue or if it is the integration of the SVN client and CFB. Heck it could even be the crappy Windows file system as compared to the OS X file system. BY large SVN Repo I mean 58,000+ files in 17,000+ folders and somewhere around 400+Mb. Yes, our app is that big. At this point - I'd pay maybe $99 tops for CFB. Thanks, Wil Genovese ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330566 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
I installed the latest version, and I'm pretty unimpressed: 1) I no longer have tag insight (i.e., when I start to type cfloop , I no longer get a list of possible attributes). I've checked every setting I can find, and can't figure out why. 2) Now, when I paste in a line of code (a complete line), CFEclipse adds a minimum of 2 tabs to the beginning of that line that weren't there before. Both of those are incredibly frustrating. Scott On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:35 PM, fun and learning funandlrnn...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot for the information. I did install the latest cfeclipse plugin, and tried a simple cfoutput example, and its working... -- - Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330567 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
Thanks for the input Wil. I agree with you on 1, 2 and 5. These were all features that we researched and discussed throughout the development of Bolt. Unfortunately, other features were rated a higher priority so we had to push these into Storm (CB2). We knew from the beginning that there would be no way we could cover every feature from CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite/Studio in our initial release. In fact, that's why we began planning for CB2 and CB3 months ago. Glad to hear that we're headed in the right direction. As far as performance goes, it's something we are tracking very closely. I can say that each subsequent build gets faster and faster. In between releases we'll be refactoring a large part of the editor in an attempt to dramatically boost performance. As far as extensions that don't require a CF server... do you do much ColdFusion development without a ColdFusion server? Either way, CB is based on Eclipse, so you can write plugins in Java that don't require CF at all. -Adam On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@visi.com wrote: Adam, 1. Mylyn Integration.Yes it's that important http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77480 2. Proper code folding - See cfeclipse or even Homesite to know what I mean. (here's a few items) http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=78902 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77374 3. Extensions that DON'T require a CF server to be attached - Homesite had this. 4. SPEED - so far she's a bit sluggish captian an I'm given'r all she's got. 5. And look at my feature requests here http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77440 I use CFBuilder all day everyday. Overall not to bad. There are a fair number of reports about CFB being slow in certain tasks. And I experience this. It is also painfully slow with SVN integration; SubClipse or Subversive. However, it is faster on my MacBook Pro than my Win XP Pro work computer. And this is not perceived time, but actual measured time and really only in VERY VERY large CF applications. I'm not sure if this is purely the SVN client at issue or if it is the integration of the SVN client and CFB. Heck it could even be the crappy Windows file system as compared to the OS X file system. BY large SVN Repo I mean 58,000+ files in 17,000+ folders and somewhere around 400+Mb. Yes, our app is that big. At this point - I'd pay maybe $99 tops for CFB. Thanks, Wil Genovese ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330568 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Scott Brady wrote: I installed the latest version, and I'm pretty unimpressed: 1) I no longer have tag insight (i.e., when I start to type cfloop , I no longer get a list of possible attributes). I've checked every setting I can find, and can't figure out why. 2) Now, when I paste in a line of code (a complete line), CFEclipse adds a minimum of 2 tabs to the beginning of that line that weren't there before. Both of those are incredibly frustrating. Ja. Both have been fixed (theoretically) in the latest preview release: http://cfeclipse.org/update-preview Please feel free to test the preview out, we're hoping to get the next official release out early next week, and we appreciate the help in making it the best it can be. Here's a list of tickets closed for the next release (1.3.6): http://trac.cfeclipse.org/report/10 If you run into anything, join the cfeclipse group (http://groups.google.com/group/cfeclipse-users) and give a holler. We've been rolling out improvements every couple days, but this is the home stretch for the next release. :den -- Everybody hates a prodigy, detests an old head on young shoulders. Desiderius Erasmu ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330569 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
I think that there is also a difference between requires a CF server and requires Adobe Coldfusion 9. I appreciate some of the integration with CF9. However, I also still do work on CF8 and an increasing amount on Railo. Railo adoption seems to be on the uptick and that is something to consider. CFEclipse does not have the same integration features that CFBuilder does for CF9. On the other hand, CFEclipse works exactly the same way regardless of which CFML engine I am using. I suppose that I could use CFBuilder for CF9 and CFEclipse for CF8 and Railo, but that seems rather messy to me. And neither CFBuilder nor CFEclipse will really make me happy as an IDE until it is able to find the methods and method signatures of CFCs that I inject into my handlers via autowire DI. If you could do that, well, then you might start justifying a price tag on the level of Visual Studio. Cheers, Judah On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the input Wil. I agree with you on 1, 2 and 5. These were all features that we researched and discussed throughout the development of Bolt. Unfortunately, other features were rated a higher priority so we had to push these into Storm (CB2). We knew from the beginning that there would be no way we could cover every feature from CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite/Studio in our initial release. In fact, that's why we began planning for CB2 and CB3 months ago. Glad to hear that we're headed in the right direction. As far as performance goes, it's something we are tracking very closely. I can say that each subsequent build gets faster and faster. In between releases we'll be refactoring a large part of the editor in an attempt to dramatically boost performance. As far as extensions that don't require a CF server... do you do much ColdFusion development without a ColdFusion server? Either way, CB is based on Eclipse, so you can write plugins in Java that don't require CF at all. -Adam On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@visi.com wrote: Adam, 1. Mylyn Integration.Yes it's that important http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77480 2. Proper code folding - See cfeclipse or even Homesite to know what I mean. (here's a few items) http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=78902 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77374 3. Extensions that DON'T require a CF server to be attached - Homesite had this. 4. SPEED - so far she's a bit sluggish captian an I'm given'r all she's got. 5. And look at my feature requests here http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77440 I use CFBuilder all day everyday. Overall not to bad. There are a fair number of reports about CFB being slow in certain tasks. And I experience this. It is also painfully slow with SVN integration; SubClipse or Subversive. However, it is faster on my MacBook Pro than my Win XP Pro work computer. And this is not perceived time, but actual measured time and really only in VERY VERY large CF applications. I'm not sure if this is purely the SVN client at issue or if it is the integration of the SVN client and CFB. Heck it could even be the crappy Windows file system as compared to the OS X file system. BY large SVN Repo I mean 58,000+ files in 17,000+ folders and somewhere around 400+Mb. Yes, our app is that big. At this point - I'd pay maybe $99 tops for CFB. Thanks, Wil Genovese ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330570 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
ColdFusion Builder supports CF 7, 8 and 9 out of the box. ColdFusion 9 is definitely not required. -Adam On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: I think that there is also a difference between requires a CF server and requires Adobe Coldfusion 9. I appreciate some of the integration with CF9. However, I also still do work on CF8 and an increasing amount on Railo. Railo adoption seems to be on the uptick and that is something to consider. CFEclipse does not have the same integration features that CFBuilder does for CF9. On the other hand, CFEclipse works exactly the same way regardless of which CFML engine I am using. I suppose that I could use CFBuilder for CF9 and CFEclipse for CF8 and Railo, but that seems rather messy to me. And neither CFBuilder nor CFEclipse will really make me happy as an IDE until it is able to find the methods and method signatures of CFCs that I inject into my handlers via autowire DI. If you could do that, well, then you might start justifying a price tag on the level of Visual Studio. Cheers, Judah On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the input Wil. I agree with you on 1, 2 and 5. These were all features that we researched and discussed throughout the development of Bolt. Unfortunately, other features were rated a higher priority so we had to push these into Storm (CB2). We knew from the beginning that there would be no way we could cover every feature from CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite/Studio in our initial release. In fact, that's why we began planning for CB2 and CB3 months ago. Glad to hear that we're headed in the right direction. As far as performance goes, it's something we are tracking very closely. I can say that each subsequent build gets faster and faster. In between releases we'll be refactoring a large part of the editor in an attempt to dramatically boost performance. As far as extensions that don't require a CF server... do you do much ColdFusion development without a ColdFusion server? Either way, CB is based on Eclipse, so you can write plugins in Java that don't require CF at all. -Adam On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@visi.com wrote: Adam, 1. Mylyn Integration.Yes it's that important http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77480 2. Proper code folding - See cfeclipse or even Homesite to know what I mean. (here's a few items) http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=78902 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77374 3. Extensions that DON'T require a CF server to be attached - Homesite had this. 4. SPEED - so far she's a bit sluggish captian an I'm given'r all she's got. 5. And look at my feature requests here http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=77440 I use CFBuilder all day everyday. Overall not to bad. There are a fair number of reports about CFB being slow in certain tasks. And I experience this. It is also painfully slow with SVN integration; SubClipse or Subversive. However, it is faster on my MacBook Pro than my Win XP Pro work computer. And this is not perceived time, but actual measured time and really only in VERY VERY large CF applications. I'm not sure if this is purely the SVN client at issue or if it is the integration of the SVN client and CFB. Heck it could even be the crappy Windows file system as compared to the OS X file system. BY large SVN Repo I mean 58,000+ files in 17,000+ folders and somewhere around 400+Mb. Yes, our app is that big. At this point - I'd pay maybe $99 tops for CFB. Thanks, Wil Genovese ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330571 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
Well, the new preview version fixed the tab issue, but I still don't have have tag insight. I'll check out the list. Thanks! Scott On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:56 PM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote: 1) I no longer have tag insight (i.e., when I start to type cfloop , I no longer get a list of possible attributes). I've checked every setting I can find, and can't figure out why. 2) Now, when I paste in a line of code (a complete line), CFEclipse adds a minimum of 2 tabs to the beginning of that line that weren't there before. Both of those are incredibly frustrating. Ja. Both have been fixed (theoretically) in the latest preview release: http://cfeclipse.org/update-preview -- - Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.ne ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330572 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
Adrocknaphobia wrote: Brandon, What would you consider an arm and a leg? We originally started work on ColdFusion Builder as a feature of ColdFusion 9. In fact it was a the highest requested feature for CF9 despite the existence of CFEclipse, Dreamweaver and HomeSite. But as our vision for a comprehensive ColdFusion IDE grew, it made more sense to turn it into it's own product. What I mean to say is that we built this for the community, not to supplement ColdFusion revenue. Adobe isn't looking for a pay day on CB so you shouldn't expect to have to part with your appendages. :-) -Adam On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Brandon brandonregis...@gmail.com wrote: I tried CFBuilder for several months and finally got fed up with glitchy code-folding. Plus, I don't want to get too used to a tool that's going to end up costing an arm and a leg. Eclipse + plugins seems to handle everything I need, without beta-testing bugs. Adam, I think the main issue for many is that CFBuilder ORM capabilities are the real selling point over CFEclipse. Once people migrate to CF9, there will be a real reason to buy it. At this point, most of us are stuck with CF8 or less so CFB that much better than the alternative. I am using CFB beta 3 and it isn't ready for prime time yet. I hope Adobe engineers are hard at work updating b3 into b4 and are not going to rush the boxed version out the door yet. I sure hope that those engineers weren't on a RIF list. I want Adobe to make money so they can keep employees on the payroll and support us developers with documentation and training. My hope is that they will have a beta 4 that will fix the significant issues with beta 3. I think that $150 to 200 for CFB would be a fair price if it relieves me of having to reinstall CFEclipse and mess with a bunch of plug-ins, etc. If the funds would go to an active development team, I would be very happy. You probably would be too. Right now, I consider a price of $250 like Flex Builder to be too much for most people outside of high end companies. I did put it in my budget for 2010, but that was before I used it extensively. Thanks, Roger -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/8/a4/60 Twitter: http://twitter.com/RogerTheGeek MissHunt: http://www.misshunt.com/ (Home of the Clean/Dirty Magnet) CFinNC: http://cfinnc.com/ ColdFusion Conference in Raleigh ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330573 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: IDE for coldfusion 9
I find the error checker slows it down big time... Eric -Original Message- From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@visi.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: IDE for coldfusion 9 Adam, 1. Mylyn Integration.Yes it's that important http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=774 80 2. Proper code folding - See cfeclipse or even Homesite to know what I mean. (here's a few items) http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=789 02 http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=773 74 3. Extensions that DON'T require a CF server to be attached - Homesite had this. 4. SPEED - so far she's a bit sluggish captian an I'm given'r all she's got. 5. And look at my feature requests here http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=774 40 I use CFBuilder all day everyday. Overall not to bad. There are a fair number of reports about CFB being slow in certain tasks. And I experience this. It is also painfully slow with SVN integration; SubClipse or Subversive. However, it is faster on my MacBook Pro than my Win XP Pro work computer. And this is not perceived time, but actual measured time and really only in VERY VERY large CF applications. I'm not sure if this is purely the SVN client at issue or if it is the integration of the SVN client and CFB. Heck it could even be the crappy Windows file system as compared to the OS X file system. BY large SVN Repo I mean 58,000+ files in 17,000+ folders and somewhere around 400+Mb. Yes, our app is that big. At this point - I'd pay maybe $99 tops for CFB. Thanks, Wil Genovese ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330576 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
i use the current cfeclipse w cf9 and have no issues speeves On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:13 PM, fun and learning funandlrnn...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me if there is a new CFEclipse plugin for Coldfusion 9? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330500 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
Yes the latest version of CFE has a CF 9 dictionary. i.e. It supports CF9 syntax. G! On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM, fun and learning funandlrnn...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me if there is a new CFEclipse plugin for Coldfusion 9? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330502 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
Can anyone tell me if there is a new CFEclipse plugin for Coldfusion 9? I am using CFEclipse plugin version 1.3.4.200906240705, which seems to be the latest version. I noticed certain new CF9 tags, such as CFIMAP, are not recognized. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330503 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
You have to specify which version of CF you're using on your project, and if you upgraded, you'll still be set on CF8. Not sure what the default is, but it could well be CF8 as well, since CF9 is still lower adoption. cheers, barneyb On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Qing Xia txiasum...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone tell me if there is a new CFEclipse plugin for Coldfusion 9? I am using CFEclipse plugin version 1.3.4.200906240705, which seems to be the latest version. I noticed certain new CF9 tags, such as CFIMAP, are not recognized. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330504 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
You have to specify which version of CF you're using on your project, and if you upgraded, you'll still be set on CF8. Not sure what the default is, but it could well be CF8 as well, since CF9 is still lower adoption. Oh yeah, you are right Barney. My dictionary view is set to CF8. Trying to figure out how to update it to CF9 now... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330505 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
The default is in the global prefs (Windows Preferences), and each project has it's own setting the project properties. cheers, barneyb On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Qing Xia txiasum...@gmail.com wrote: You have to specify which version of CF you're using on your project, and if you upgraded, you'll still be set on CF8. Not sure what the default is, but it could well be CF8 as well, since CF9 is still lower adoption. Oh yeah, you are right Barney. My dictionary view is set to CF8. Trying to figure out how to update it to CF9 now... -- Barney Boisvert bboisv...@gmail.com http://www.barneyb.com ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330506 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
Well, well, the lesson is never to assume. My version of CFEclipse was *NOT* the latest. The latest is 1.3.5.201002010103. Once I upgraded my CFEclilpse plugin, I am defaulted to the CF9 dictionary. BTW, the dropdown at the top of Dictionary View lets you select which version of the dictionary you want.. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330507 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
The default is in the global prefs (Windows Preferences), and each project has it's own setting the project properties. Neat, thanks! One more reason to like CFEclipse! [?] ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330508 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: IDE for coldfusion 9
Yes the latest version of CFE has a CF 9 dictionary. i.e. It supports CF9 syntax. G! On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:13 PM, fun and learning funandlrnn...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me if there is a new CFEclipse plugin for Coldfusion 9? Hi All, Thanks a lot for the information. I did install the latest cfeclipse plugin, and tried a simple cfoutput example, and its working... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:330510 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
