RE: Studio 8 announced
Connie, for the thousandth time, take it offlist, and don't post your offlist replies here. Dave just stop replying please so that the thread stops. Russ -Original Message- From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 August 2005 01:55 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Dave, you are just so damn lame, especially for someone dealing in teen porn. I know your client Charlie is none too happy about your stunts. All you keep doing is showing how immature you really are. Constanty Connie DeCinko III Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer Lone Jet Enterprises Glendale, Arizona www.LoneJet.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214933 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Connie DeCinko wrote: Dave, you are just so damn lame, especially for someone dealing in teen porn. I know your client Charlie is none too happy about your stunts. All you keep doing is showing how immature you really are. announcer:Welcome back to the CF talk show live from Studio 8 with Jerry Springer. crowds: cheer Springer: In this episode of the CF talk show we present Will and his ColdFusion T-shirts crowds: cheer Springer: which some people consider cheap knockoffs. crowds: booh Springer: Guest today are Will Tomlinson crowds: cheer Springer: Dave 'the Disruptor' crowds: cheer Springer: and Connie DeCinko. crowds: cheer Springer: So Connie, you were saying that you feel sorry for Dave? Connie: Yes, if you just read what he has on his mind. crowds: ohhh Connie: He deals in teen porn. male crowd: cheer female crowd: booh crowds: And his client Charlie is not happy. crowds: ahhh Springer: Let's hear what Charlie has to say. Charlie, please come forward! crowds: cheer Steve jumps into action, fade out, commercial ... announcer:Welcome back to the CF talk show live from Studio 8 with Jerry Springer. crowds: cheer Springer: Today in the CF talk show live from Studio 8 we saw a row over CF T-shirts. But T-shirts are a matter of taste, and you can't argue about taste, can you? So my final words of wisdom for you, the viewers at home are: Use cfqueryparam!! Thank you, take care and see you next time on the CF talk show. Jochem ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214934 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I'll echo that. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 8:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Try as I might, I can't find anything relevant for a CF technical list in this whole thread. I would really appreciate it if the thread ended now. Thanks in advance! Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214940 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Are you trying to get it going again or what ? -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 August 2005 16:19 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced I'll echo that. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 8:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Try as I might, I can't find anything relevant for a CF technical list in this whole thread. I would really appreciate it if the thread ended now. Thanks in advance! Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214942 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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On 8/12/05, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the past 4 years, I've run an IRC channel dedicated to ColdFusion. where's that? -- mac jordan home: www.kestrel.org http://www.kestrel.org work: www.webhorus.net http://www.webhorus.net them: www.jordan-cats.org http://www.jordan-cats.org ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214847 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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mac - on DALnet. You familiar with IRC or do you want/need more info on getting there? Charlie On 8/13/05, mac jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/12/05, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the past 4 years, I've run an IRC channel dedicated to ColdFusion. where's that? -- mac jordan home: www.kestrel.org http://www.kestrel.org work: www.webhorus.net http://www.webhorus.net them: www.jordan-cats.org http://www.jordan-cats.org ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214859 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I just thought you all would like to read what Dave Lyons ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has on his mind. I feel so sorry for him. _ From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Will Tomlinson Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced hey listen Connie, ya know what? just like your name implies you are a cock sucking little piece of shit! now there i said it! fucking asshole!! They dont like u in arizona and you arent liked here, so its not like your opinion counts for shit anyways. Nothing that you would be proud to wear eh? trust me we dont want your sorry ass wearing or even being associated with cfm. It's kinda funny all the mail I have gotten tonight saying what an ass you are, lol You are the exact piece of shit loser cheap ass shit that i was referring to in my posts, and if you could so much as read properly you'd seen that the shirts and Will had nothing to do with this, it was more of your lame ass crying over your poor featureless tools and your stupid ignorance over security at shared hosts and all your other my screws are completely loose bullshit! you are an asshole, period did you get that or should I say it again? dickhead On Aug 13, 2005, at 12:08 AM, Connie DeCinko wrote: The shirts are boring and look cheap. There. I said it again. You are offering nothing attractive, nothing that I would be proud to wear. They look like something I might find at the parking lot flea market. The font is not even close to being right. And Property of...? How original! Did you think that up or was that your mommy's idea? And don't tell me a damn t-shirt is going to raise interest in CF or cause a developer to change from PHP or ASP just because you are wearing a CF shirt! Now get off it already! _ From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:46 PM To: Charlie Griefer Cc: Dave Lyons; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Charlie and Connie, I think you're both a little jealous. I can't think of any other reason you'd pick on the tshirts. Look, in the first place, I think you're both missing the idea behind the shirts. The idea is simple, the shirts are simple, the designs are simple. They convey an easily understood message, COLDFUSION. What is ColdFusion? They weren't designed to knock peoples' eyes out with flashy wacky ass graphics all over them. That would defeat the purpose. Let me put it another way. The purpose of the shirts is to promote CF and get more people to recognize the name and ask questions. And don't give me the stupid garbage about how the shirts are cheap looking. Every time you say that it makes you look even more ignorant than you already look. Kinda like opening a door into your own noses. Know whadda mean? For the record, the shirts themselves are Fruit of the Loom 100% heavyweight cotton. They're printed by a large outfit here in NC - the same one that does all the screenprinting for NC Universities. So there's no basement printing goin' on. You're the first two people that've commented on the shirts looking cheap. Well, I consider that just like an eBay auction where the seller has 1000 positive feedbacks and 2 negatives. You figure the two negatives were likely just a couple of jackasses, and move on. So to sum it all up, you guys are two jealous jackasses with nothing better to do than run off at the mouth. If I were you, I'd make no more comments because you've already embarassed yourselves enough. Will Charlie Griefer wrote: Hey guys. Sorry for the off-list, but things are getting out of hand. Michael and Judith have both already asked us (yes, 'us'...i'm as guilty as anybody) to cool it once. Right now it's their holiday, so they won't be back on until sundown tomorrow. They're not going to be happy if they come back and see this going on. We can all talk about how much we all do for CF, but none of us has done crap compared to them. Right now, we're shitting in their house. Let's try and show them a little respect, huh? Got issues with each other? Email directly. Got issues with me? Screw yourself then (kidding...got issues with me, email me) :) On 8/12/05, Will Tomlinson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since a few people have seen fit to label my shirts cheap, I thought I'd post a few comments I've received from customers. I won't name anyone here, but I WILL tell you that you'd recognize the names. I have more ... Will, - No need to reply back. I just wanted to comment that the shirt arrived and is looks great. -Very cool shirt, thanks! -These shirts came really quickly, and they are great! Thanks for offering them. Good luck, -Hey Will, Just to let you know that this lot came through safely. These, and the others should go down a treat at next months UG meeting. Cheers
RE: Studio 8 announced
yup i did write that too you and i did it in responce to your off line Broadcast mail to will that said The shirts are boring and look cheap. There. I said it again. You are offering nothing attractive, nothing that I would be proud to wear. They look like something I might find at the parking lot flea market. The font is not even close to being right. And Property of...? How original! Did you think that up or was that your mommy's idea? And don't tell me a damn t-shirt is going to raise interest in CF or cause a developer to change from PHP or ASP just because you are wearing a CF shirt! Now get off it already! You write something like that to someone not even involved and you are going to get something back. ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. From: Connie DeCinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 5:16 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced I just thought you all would like to read what Dave Lyons ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has on his mind. I feel so sorry for him. _ From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Will Tomlinson Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced hey listen Connie, ya know what? just like your name implies you are a cock sucking little piece of shit! now there i said it! fucking asshole!! They dont like u in arizona and you arent liked here, so its not like your opinion counts for shit anyways. Nothing that you would be proud to wear eh? trust me we dont want your sorry ass wearing or even being associated with cfm. It's kinda funny all the mail I have gotten tonight saying what an ass you are, lol You are the exact piece of shit loser cheap ass shit that i was referring to in my posts, and if you could so much as read properly you'd seen that the shirts and Will had nothing to do with this, it was more of your lame ass crying over your poor featureless tools and your stupid ignorance over security at shared hosts and all your other my screws are completely loose bullshit! you are an asshole, period did you get that or should I say it again? dickhead On Aug 13, 2005, at 12:08 AM, Connie DeCinko wrote: The shirts are boring and look cheap. There. I said it again. You are offering nothing attractive, nothing that I would be proud to wear. They look like something I might find at the parking lot flea market. The font is not even close to being right. And Property of...? How original! Did you think that up or was that your mommy's idea? And don't tell me a damn t-shirt is going to raise interest in CF or cause a developer to change from PHP or ASP just because you are wearing a CF shirt! Now get off it already! _ From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:46 PM To: Charlie Griefer Cc: Dave Lyons; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Charlie and Connie, I think you're both a little jealous. I can't think of any other reason you'd pick on the tshirts. Look, in the first place, I think you're both missing the idea behind the shirts. The idea is simple, the shirts are simple, the designs are simple. They convey an easily understood message, COLDFUSION. What is ColdFusion? They weren't designed to knock peoples' eyes out with flashy wacky ass graphics all over them. That would defeat the purpose. Let me put it another way. The purpose of the shirts is to promote CF and get more people to recognize the name and ask questions. And don't give me the stupid garbage about how the shirts are cheap looking. Every time you say that it makes you look even more ignorant than you already look. Kinda like opening a door into your own noses. Know whadda mean? For the record, the shirts themselves are Fruit of the Loom 100% heavyweight cotton. They're printed by a large outfit here in NC - the same one that does all the screenprinting for NC Universities. So there's no basement printing goin' on. You're the first two people that've commented on the shirts looking cheap. Well, I consider that just like an eBay auction where the seller has 1000 positive feedbacks and 2 negatives. You figure the two negatives were likely just a couple of jackasses, and move on. So to sum it all up, you guys are two jealous jackasses with nothing better to do than run off at the mouth. If I were you, I'd make no more comments because you've already embarassed yourselves enough. Will Charlie Griefer wrote: Hey guys. Sorry for the off-list, but things are getting out of hand. Michael and Judith have both already asked us (yes, 'us'...i'm as guilty as anybody) to cool it once. Right now it's their holiday, so they won't be back on until sundown tomorrow. They're not going to be happy if they come back and see this going on. We can all talk about how much we all do for CF, but none of us
RE: Studio 8 announced
I think it's a bit much posting that language to this list connie. You should have kept that private. Russ -Original Message- From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 August 2005 22:15 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced I just thought you all would like to read what Dave Lyons ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has on his mind. I feel so sorry for him. _ From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Will Tomlinson Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced hey listen Connie, ya know what? just like your name implies you are a cock sucking little piece of shit! now there i said it! fucking asshole!! They dont like u in arizona and you arent liked here, so its not like your opinion counts for shit anyways. Nothing that you would be proud to wear eh? trust me we dont want your sorry ass wearing or even being associated with cfm. It's kinda funny all the mail I have gotten tonight saying what an ass you are, lol You are the exact piece of shit loser cheap ass shit that i was referring to in my posts, and if you could so much as read properly you'd seen that the shirts and Will had nothing to do with this, it was more of your lame ass crying over your poor featureless tools and your stupid ignorance over security at shared hosts and all your other my screws are completely loose bullshit! you are an asshole, period did you get that or should I say it again? dickhead On Aug 13, 2005, at 12:08 AM, Connie DeCinko wrote: The shirts are boring and look cheap. There. I said it again. You are offering nothing attractive, nothing that I would be proud to wear. They look like something I might find at the parking lot flea market. The font is not even close to being right. And Property of...? How original! Did you think that up or was that your mommy's idea? And don't tell me a damn t-shirt is going to raise interest in CF or cause a developer to change from PHP or ASP just because you are wearing a CF shirt! Now get off it already! _ From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:46 PM To: Charlie Griefer Cc: Dave Lyons; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Charlie and Connie, I think you're both a little jealous. I can't think of any other reason you'd pick on the tshirts. Look, in the first place, I think you're both missing the idea behind the shirts. The idea is simple, the shirts are simple, the designs are simple. They convey an easily understood message, COLDFUSION. What is ColdFusion? They weren't designed to knock peoples' eyes out with flashy wacky ass graphics all over them. That would defeat the purpose. Let me put it another way. The purpose of the shirts is to promote CF and get more people to recognize the name and ask questions. And don't give me the stupid garbage about how the shirts are cheap looking. Every time you say that it makes you look even more ignorant than you already look. Kinda like opening a door into your own noses. Know whadda mean? For the record, the shirts themselves are Fruit of the Loom 100% heavyweight cotton. They're printed by a large outfit here in NC - the same one that does all the screenprinting for NC Universities. So there's no basement printing goin' on. You're the first two people that've commented on the shirts looking cheap. Well, I consider that just like an eBay auction where the seller has 1000 positive feedbacks and 2 negatives. You figure the two negatives were likely just a couple of jackasses, and move on. So to sum it all up, you guys are two jealous jackasses with nothing better to do than run off at the mouth. If I were you, I'd make no more comments because you've already embarassed yourselves enough. Will Charlie Griefer wrote: Hey guys. Sorry for the off-list, but things are getting out of hand. Michael and Judith have both already asked us (yes, 'us'...i'm as guilty as anybody) to cool it once. Right now it's their holiday, so they won't be back on until sundown tomorrow. They're not going to be happy if they come back and see this going on. We can all talk about how much we all do for CF, but none of us has done crap compared to them. Right now, we're shitting in their house. Let's try and show them a little respect, huh? Got issues with each other? Email directly. Got issues with me? Screw yourself then (kidding...got issues with me, email me) :) On 8/12/05, Will Tomlinson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since a few people have seen fit to label my shirts cheap, I thought I'd post a few comments I've received from customers. I won't name anyone here, but I WILL tell you that you'd recognize the names. I have more ... Will, - No need to reply back. I just wanted to comment that the shirt arrived and is looks great. -Very cool shirt, thanks! -These shirts came really quickly, and they are great! Thanks for offering
RE: Studio 8 announced
That's correct. And you just proved my point that I never attacked Will. I am attacking his product as being inaccurate and damaging to the brand of Coldfusion. Thank you Dave. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced yup i did write that too you and i did it in responce to your off line Broadcast mail to will that said The shirts are boring and look cheap. There. I said it again. You are offering nothing attractive, nothing that I would be proud to wear. They look like something I might find at the parking lot flea market. The font is not even close to being right. And Property of...? How original! Did you think that up or was that your mommy's idea? And don't tell me a damn t-shirt is going to raise interest in CF or cause a developer to change from PHP or ASP just because you are wearing a CF shirt! Now get off it already! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214894 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Sorry, but Dave already made this very public. I am extremely offended. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced I think it's a bit much posting that language to this list connie. You should have kept that private. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214898 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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umm yeah you attacked Will, you can't see that? you have issues BIG ones! and i am glad you have takin it upon yourself to determine what is or what isnt damaging to cfm, if it was don't ya maybe just maybe think MM wouldnt have approved them? or why all the BIG cfm ppl have them, wear them, promote them. Including the more famous ppl at MM. Connie its great you have an opinion but it doesnt mean its right and you were very untacful and quite rude in the way you attatcked them and Will and everyone here knows it except you. ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. From: Connie DeCinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 5:41 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced That's correct. And you just proved my point that I never attacked Will. I am attacking his product as being inaccurate and damaging to the brand of Coldfusion. Thank you Dave. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 2:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced yup i did write that too you and i did it in responce to your off line Broadcast mail to will that said The shirts are boring and look cheap. There. I said it again. You are offering nothing attractive, nothing that I would be proud to wear. They look like something I might find at the parking lot flea market. The font is not even close to being right. And Property of...? How original! Did you think that up or was that your mommy's idea? And don't tell me a damn t-shirt is going to raise interest in CF or cause a developer to change from PHP or ASP just because you are wearing a CF shirt! Now get off it already! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214901 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Connie, What whacked out alternate reality do you live in that makes you think posting a private message from Dave to the entire list was appropriate? In summary, Dave spanked your ass offline and you are looking for support and rallying to start up the 'Dave Sucks Club' because you can't handle his brutal honesty? Come on, get a clue. What is the relevance of whether you like Will's shirts or not? Like I really give a shit what you think anyway. Will's intentions were noble and yours weren't. Will is trying to help others and you are trying to be hurtful. You may very well find that your attitude and childish BS makes it difficult for you to find much support or help around here when you might actually have a real question or need help. You need to deal with your self identity issues and learn when to walk away from a fight after your ass is beat. Most of us subscribe to this list to discuss REAL CF issues and questions and frankly I don't appreciate you hijacking the entire list for your personal crusade to rid the world of ugly CF shirts. Your silly attacks on people and continued whining is far uglier than any CF shirt could ever be. If you don't like the shirts then don't buy them plain and simple. Your opinion is clearly stated when you elect not to purchase the shirts. Nothing more needs to be said. I'm going to go buy one of the 'ugly' shirts for no other purpose than to piss you off when you see me wearing it. -Original Message- From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 4:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced I just thought you all would like to read what Dave Lyons ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has on his mind. I feel so sorry for him. _ From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Will Tomlinson Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced hey listen Connie, ya know what? just like your name implies ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214905 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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LMFAO!! well said todd!! So now the lil bitch is showing her true professionalism and is going to my clients sites and emailing them and obviously trying to drum up some business by trying to degrade me to them. What connies lil bitch ass doesnt get is that the ones he emailed are my friends and I also get a copy of the letters. And they I will make sure they file the appropriate complaints with authorities. Now if anyone needs banned its you connie, there is never a time when you go to someone clients site and do that, even though in my case they'd only laugh at your ass cause I burned it so bad! That is the true sign of a true POS (piece of shit) so now you have crossed the line. you are truely lame connie, first you rip those who contribute then u cry cause u got roasted and now you are mailing my clients which is lower than low and you have still yet to take this to me off line. Pathetic, Pathetic, Pathetic and yeah im sure you are getting job offeres off of this, lol whatever , you are so far into denial land that you don't know where you are. And why dont I post the peoples comments? because I am not as lame as you are, they made those to me off list and they stay that way unless they say its ok 4 me to do. There really are no words for what a tasteless low life you really are. ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. From: Todd Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:34 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Connie, What whacked out alternate reality do you live in that makes you think posting a private message from Dave to the entire list was appropriate? In summary, Dave spanked your ass offline and you are looking for support and rallying to start up the 'Dave Sucks Club' because you can't handle his brutal honesty? Come on, get a clue. What is the relevance of whether you like Will's shirts or not? Like I really give a shit what you think anyway. Will's intentions were noble and yours weren't. Will is trying to help others and you are trying to be hurtful. You may very well find that your attitude and childish BS makes it difficult for you to find much support or help around here when you might actually have a real question or need help. You need to deal with your self identity issues and learn when to walk away from a fight after your ass is beat. Most of us subscribe to this list to discuss REAL CF issues and questions and frankly I don't appreciate you hijacking the entire list for your personal crusade to rid the world of ugly CF shirts. Your silly attacks on people and continued whining is far uglier than any CF shirt could ever be. If you don't like the shirts then don't buy them plain and simple. Your opinion is clearly stated when you elect not to purchase the shirts. Nothing more needs to be said. I'm going to go buy one of the 'ugly' shirts for no other purpose than to piss you off when you see me wearing it. -Original Message- From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 4:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced I just thought you all would like to read what Dave Lyons ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has on his mind. I feel so sorry for him. _ From: Dave Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Will Tomlinson Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced hey listen Connie, ya know what? just like your name implies ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214917 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Try as I might, I can't find anything relevant for a CF technical list in this whole thread. I would really appreciate it if the thread ended now. Thanks in advance! Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214920 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Dave, you are just so damn lame, especially for someone dealing in teen porn. I know your client Charlie is none too happy about your stunts. All you keep doing is showing how immature you really are. Constanty Connie DeCinko III Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer Lone Jet Enterprises Glendale, Arizona www.LoneJet.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214925 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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ENOUGH ALREADY! Let it go. No one cares. The list is for ColdFusion. Not this crap. On 8/13/05, Connie DeCinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, you are just so damn lame, especially for someone dealing in teen porn. I know your client Charlie is none too happy about your stunts. All you keep doing is showing how immature you really are. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214927 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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hey ya know what lady, keep it up its really boosted Wills sales :) And lets see, I just talked to i cand and she said she sent you a email back saying that if you ever contact them again they will file harassment charges against you and I just got off the phone with Charlie and he will be telling you the same thing. So why do you think you have the right to even try that? It's called slander and is against the law and I will be chatting with my attorney about it. And teen porn? where am i doing teen porn? a girl modeling an i can.d swim suit or a way to big shirt is now teen porn? Did you get hit with an i'm a dumbass stick twice or something? I mean I guess every beach, river, swimming pool, etc is now a teen porn zone? gimme a break lol I have told you like 10 times to bring this to me off list and you dont and then u say its me keeping it going and are immature? it's immature when u get yer ass roasted and have to go to the extremes that you are to try and get even. I mean you are emailing these other people off list telling them what assholes they are, im right here and you know my addy. You are and am wrong, so just admit it and appologize and let it go, my gawd girlfriend get over it!! ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. From: Connie DeCinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:26 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Dave, you are just so damn lame, especially for someone dealing in teen porn. I know your client Charlie is none too happy about your stunts. All you keep doing is showing how immature you really are. Constanty Connie DeCinko III Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer Lone Jet Enterprises Glendale, Arizona www.LoneJet.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214929 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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At 06:32 PM 8/13/2005, you wrote: I'm going to go buy one of the 'ugly' shirts for no other purpose than to piss you off when you see me wearing it. I got a bit distracted, but I want one, too. Uglier the better, please. -- Phillip Beazley Onvix -- Website Hosting, Development E-commerce Visit http://www.onvix.com/ or call 727-578-9600. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214932 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Welcome to the world where money has to be made and time is short. The funny thing is that we actually just simply mentioned a future point for improvement on Eclipse blinkacceptance/blink for web development related tasks in comparison with Dreamweaver and you here you are ranting all again about nothing and completely out of the blue. Do you need vacation? Micha Schopman Project Manager -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 12 augustus 2005 0:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Blablabla M$ blabla T-shirt blabla .. cheap ... ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214697 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I agree. All of the frameworks, everything on cflib.org, much of the MM Exchange, full featured IDEs and a lot of genuinely useful stuff (e.g. ScopeCache, various blog apps, the FarCry CMS) are all free and have all had a lot of work put into them. I've looked at and used some the of the PHP freebies around, and they are of widely varying quality - for example, PHPNuke is a dog's breakfast and I wouldn't use it on one of my sites. On 8/12/05, Paul Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ Michaels wrote: Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community. Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF. that's nonsense. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214699 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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i just wasted an hour typing your responce micha and it timed out so screw it. I was refering to you comments about why doesnt someone else make it, complile it and distribute it and it shouldnt cost me anything garbage you wrote. If someone puts their time into making a tool that is of use to u then you shouldnt expect it to be free. After all you arent making your web apps for free are you? And the whole point to this rant is that if the cheap asses would actually support our products then we'd have more pull to get the features we want. Why do you stay on here even? As far as I know you dont like nor support coldfusion ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 2:42 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Welcome to the world where money has to be made and time is short. The funny thing is that we actually just simply mentioned a future point for improvement on Eclipse acceptance for web development related tasks in comparison with Dreamweaver and you here you are ranting all again about nothing and completely out of the blue. Do you need vacation? Micha Schopman Project Manager -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 12 augustus 2005 0:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Blablabla M$ blabla T-shirt blabla .. cheap ... ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214703 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Nobody said it should be free, nobody said it must be done by someone else, the only thing said was if there would be such a package available that would be nice and it would push acceptance for Eclipse. When people comment on lack of product features, nice to have features or missing functionality which they would like to see that does not mean they dislike or even hate the product. Read carefully, because you are creating statements and opinions nobody expressed just because you think people are like that. Read, instead of assume. If you disagree with specific points, discuss with arguments, and not with bluntly trolls. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 12 augustus 2005 9:28 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced i just wasted an hour typing your responce micha and it timed out so screw it. I was refering to you comments about why doesnt someone else make it, complile it and distribute it and it shouldnt cost me anything garbage you wrote. If someone puts their time into making a tool that is of use to u then you shouldnt expect it to be free. After all you arent making your web apps for free are you? And the whole point to this rant is that if the cheap asses would actually support our products then we'd have more pull to get the features we want. Why do you stay on here even? As far as I know you dont like nor support coldfusion ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 2:42 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Welcome to the world where money has to be made and time is short. The funny thing is that we actually just simply mentioned a future point for improvement on Eclipse acceptance for web development related tasks in comparison with Dreamweaver and you here you are ranting all again about nothing and completely out of the blue. Do you need vacation? Micha Schopman Project Manager -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 12 augustus 2005 0:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Blablabla M$ blabla T-shirt blabla .. cheap ... ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214705 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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www.resourceindex.com And all the other free script sites. If this is nonsense, please show me all the thousands of CF scripts to match the thousands of perl/ASP/PHP scripts. Especially considering most of them don't even list coldfusion. Russ -Original Message- From: Paul Hastings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 02:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Russ Michaels wrote: Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community. Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF. that's nonsense. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214706 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Well I can safely say that almost everything I have ever gone looking for doesn't exist in CF, but is a plenty in PHP/ASP. I went looking for Affiliate scripts for example. There are tons of good ones for everything except CF, for which I found 1, and it was not free. I can say the same for things like forums, portals, community apps. This really isn't anything that needs proving, it is right there for anyone to see. Feel free to go search for any of those things I mentioned and see what you come up with for CF. CF has some free tags and UDF's sure, but not much in the way of full apps, and the majority of the semi-decent stuff is not free anwyay. Russ -Original Message- From: Michael Bramwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 02:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Between Macromedia live docs, HOF lists and a few other sites I think CF is fairly well covered. While it is sometimes helpful do you really need millions of free and mostly useless scripts, whether it be php,asp,js, or whatever. Michael B. - Original Message - From: Russ Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Don't pick on cf developers. Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community. Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF. Thus why we have millions of free PHP/ASP scripts and like 2 free cf scripts. There is only 1 free cf forum I know of, and ALL cf forums free or not, are crap compared to the PHP/ASP solutions. Russ -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 00:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to pay more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it. It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how frickin cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than a buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's PATHETIC, people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community. If WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so broke, come on! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45 an hour was fairly low for cfm dev'r too make. grrr I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore have a reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not being free is really lame.. but now it costs too much money. So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of bucks on something that helps you make a living??? Or you cant take 5 minutes to download the plugins you want? btw~ doesnt rob have a package download for cfm? Thats pathetic period!!! ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:31 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned? I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much money. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it to a folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat. -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2005 20:55 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through
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Russ Michaels wrote: www.resourceindex.com And all the other free script sites. If this is nonsense, please show me all the thousands of CF scripts to match yup that's nonsense. to remind, you stated that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF. 100% nonsense--i know because i'm giving away dozens of tags CFCs, and that's just a drop in the bucket compared to what's out there. just look at the flash form goodness that the asfusion folks dish out like ice cream cones on a hot day. yeah, nonsense. now let's see...on that site there were zero i18n related scripts, zero locale related scripts, zero i18n calendars, zero locale based collations, one lame timezone related script, zero resource bundle scripts (or anything like it but i might not be using the proper PHP-speak), and so on. considering that i18n functionality is the weakest/lamest part of php this is kind of shocking. so to my mind, yes, what you're arguing is nonsense. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214708 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Paul Hastings wrote: zero resource bundle scripts (or anything like it but i might not be using the proper PHP-speak) GNU gettext support is build into and distributed with PHP. What more scripts would you need? Jochem ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214709 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Jochem van Dieten wrote: Paul Hastings wrote: zero resource bundle scripts (or anything like it but i might not be using the proper PHP-speak) GNU gettext support is build into and distributed with PHP. What more scripts would you need? dunno, does it work like resource bundles? i think you told me once gettext came first but does have the same functionality now (not that there's much to rb classes)? and if it does +1 for PHP i18n, the rest of what i said still stands. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214710 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Ok whatever, I can see your one of those people that just has to be right no matter what. So I shan't waste my breath continuing this discussion any longer. So probably best to leave you alone in your little bubble. For the rest of us, google provides the truth. Russ -Original Message- From: Paul Hastings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 11:57 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Russ Michaels wrote: www.resourceindex.com And all the other free script sites. If this is nonsense, please show me all the thousands of CF scripts to match yup that's nonsense. to remind, you stated that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF. 100% nonsense--i know because i'm giving away dozens of tags CFCs, and that's just a drop in the bucket compared to what's out there. just look at the flash form goodness that the asfusion folks dish out like ice cream cones on a hot day. yeah, nonsense. now let's see...on that site there were zero i18n related scripts, zero locale related scripts, zero i18n calendars, zero locale based collations, one lame timezone related script, zero resource bundle scripts (or anything like it but i might not be using the proper PHP-speak), and so on. considering that i18n functionality is the weakest/lamest part of php this is kind of shocking. so to my mind, yes, what you're arguing is nonsense. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214711 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Paul Hastings wrote: Jochem van Dieten wrote: Paul Hastings wrote: zero resource bundle scripts (or anything like it but i might not be using the proper PHP-speak) GNU gettext support is build into and distributed with PHP. What more scripts would you need? dunno, does it work like resource bundles? Pretty much. But it is still PHP style: if a translation of a resource does not exist it will display the default. You can not configure it to throw an error. (Which is my biggest gripe with PHP: it will never throw an error when variables don't exist, it will just do something unexpected that breaks your app in a non-obvious way.) Jochem ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214712 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Russ Michaels wrote: Ok whatever, I can see your one of those people that just has to be right no matter what. So I shan't waste my breath continuing this discussion any no, nothing about me. you said something i thought was nonsensical (there shall be no nonsense in public places unless it involves lots of beer), i called you on it. nothing more, nothing less. now watch me eat crow over jochem's superior i18n knowledge. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214713 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Jochem van Dieten wrote: Pretty much. But it is still PHP style: if a translation of a resource does not exist it will display the default. You can not configure it to throw an error. (Which is my biggest gripe with PHP: it will never throw an error when variables don't exist, it will just do something unexpected that breaks your app in a non-obvious way.) don't think i knew that (though i suspect you've told me this all once before, sorry my memory is getting worse worse). PHP is missing so much else that i keep expecting the worse, my bad. thanks for the correction. java style rb's do something similar, they'll keep falling back (by chopping the locale string, th_TH_TH--th_TH--th) until they find the right locale or return the base one if not. the classpath one will anyway, the list/property ones will throw an error if they don't find that specific rb file. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214715 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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All the proliferation of free scripts in PHP does is contribute to it's reputation as being cheap and drive down the price that developers can ask. Don't you konw how many CF developers own their own businesses and no longer live with their mothers :) -mk -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 5:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Well I can safely say that almost everything I have ever gone looking for doesn't exist in CF, but is a plenty in PHP/ASP. I went looking for Affiliate scripts for example. There are tons of good ones for everything except CF, for which I found 1, and it was not free. I can say the same for things like forums, portals, community apps. This really isn't anything that needs proving, it is right there for anyone to see. Feel free to go search for any of those things I mentioned and see what you come up with for CF. CF has some free tags and UDF's sure, but not much in the way of full apps, and the majority of the semi-decent stuff is not free anwyay. Russ -Original Message- From: Michael Bramwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 02:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Between Macromedia live docs, HOF lists and a few other sites I think CF is fairly well covered. While it is sometimes helpful do you really need millions of free and mostly useless scripts, whether it be php,asp,js, or whatever. Michael B. - Original Message - From: Russ Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Don't pick on cf developers. Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community. Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF. Thus why we have millions of free PHP/ASP scripts and like 2 free cf scripts. There is only 1 free cf forum I know of, and ALL cf forums free or not, are crap compared to the PHP/ASP solutions. Russ -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 00:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to pay more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it. It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how frickin cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than a buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's PATHETIC, people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community. If WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so broke, come on! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45 an hour was fairly low for cfm dev'r too make. grrr I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore have a reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not being free is really lame.. but now it costs too much money. So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of bucks on something that helps you make a living??? Or you cant take 5 minutes to download the plugins you want? btw~ doesnt rob have a package download for cfm? Thats pathetic period!!! ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:31 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned? I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much money. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
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Lol. This is funny because its true. However, I'm not buying any of those CF shirts. And yes, good taste has robbed me of many things. In all honesty though, CF as a server is cheap. MS gives away .NET only because they can afford to bundle it with the OS. A 12k price tag on Flex is still cheap when compared to purchasing websphere or just a single oracle database. -Adam On 8/11/05, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to pay more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it. It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how frickin cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than a buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's PATHETIC, people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community. If WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so broke, come on! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45 an hour was fairly low for cfm dev'r too make. grrr I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore have a reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not being free is really lame.. but now it costs too much money. So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of bucks on something that helps you make a living??? Or you cant take 5 minutes to download the plugins you want? btw~ doesnt rob have a package download for cfm? Thats pathetic period!!! ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:31 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned? I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much money. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it to a folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat. -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2005 20:55 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc. If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces. And maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;) As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is code collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products, knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the document was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this feature. I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site, but for some reason I hope for more. Like that they - fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX - crashes when searching through folders with find replace (and they occured on specific xml files) - showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that I might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to which project. - step into, just like Eclipse has
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You are right, there arent as many resources out there for code samples and scripts for ColdFusion. The reason? Because most of those scripts are already a part of ColdFusion. (list functions, array functions, etc.) -Adam On 8/12/05, Russ Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.resourceindex.com And all the other free script sites. If this is nonsense, please show me all the thousands of CF scripts to match the thousands of perl/ASP/PHP scripts. Especially considering most of them don't even list coldfusion. Russ -Original Message- From: Paul Hastings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 02:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Russ Michaels wrote: Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community. Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF. that's nonsense. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214720 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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No, it only contributes to the fact that in the paid programmer world PHP is generally thought of as a language of 40-year-olds who live in thier parents basement. -Adam On 8/12/05, Mark A Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the proliferation of free scripts in PHP does is contribute to it's reputation as being cheap and drive down the price that developers can ask. Don't you konw how many CF developers own their own businesses and no longer live with their mothers :) -mk -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 5:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Well I can safely say that almost everything I have ever gone looking for doesn't exist in CF, but is a plenty in PHP/ASP. I went looking for Affiliate scripts for example. There are tons of good ones for everything except CF, for which I found 1, and it was not free. I can say the same for things like forums, portals, community apps. This really isn't anything that needs proving, it is right there for anyone to see. Feel free to go search for any of those things I mentioned and see what you come up with for CF. CF has some free tags and UDF's sure, but not much in the way of full apps, and the majority of the semi-decent stuff is not free anwyay. Russ -Original Message- From: Michael Bramwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 02:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Between Macromedia live docs, HOF lists and a few other sites I think CF is fairly well covered. While it is sometimes helpful do you really need millions of free and mostly useless scripts, whether it be php,asp,js, or whatever. Michael B. - Original Message - From: Russ Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Don't pick on cf developers. Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community. Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF. Thus why we have millions of free PHP/ASP scripts and like 2 free cf scripts. There is only 1 free cf forum I know of, and ALL cf forums free or not, are crap compared to the PHP/ASP solutions. Russ -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 00:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to pay more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it. It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how frickin cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than a buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's PATHETIC, people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community. If WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so broke, come on! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45 an hour was fairly low for cfm dev'r too make. grrr I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore have a reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not being free is really lame.. but now it costs too much money. So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of bucks on something that helps you make a living??? Or you cant take 5 minutes to download the plugins you want? btw~ doesnt rob have a package download for cfm? Thats pathetic period!!! ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:31 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned? I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much money. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer
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Those are also part of PHP, even in the first versions of PHP they were natively supported in a large amount of variations capable of handling almost anything you want. It just is so simple but people don't like to admit it. PHP just has a larger community and that is all. The PHP basics to get you up and running are just like ColdFusion very easy. It is easy to make something, and as with all languages, when the learning curve is low, you will see more amateur code around. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 12 augustus 2005 14:09 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced You are right, there arent as many resources out there for code samples and scripts for ColdFusion. The reason? Because most of those scripts are already a part of ColdFusion. (list functions, array functions, etc.) -Adam On 8/12/05, Russ Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.resourceindex.com And all the other free script sites. If this is nonsense, please show me all the thousands of CF scripts to match the thousands of perl/ASP/PHP scripts. Especially considering most of them don't even list coldfusion. Russ -Original Message- From: Paul Hastings [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 02:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Russ Michaels wrote: Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community. Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF. that's nonsense. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214722 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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More people watch network tevelvision than HBO.Not because network TV is better, just because its free. However I guess thats not a good comparison because Its not tv its HBO! -Adam On 8/12/05, Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those are also part of PHP, even in the first versions of PHP they were natively supported in a large amount of variations capable of handling almost anything you want. It just is so simple but people don't like to admit it. PHP just has a larger community and that is all. The PHP basics to get you up and running are just like ColdFusion very easy. It is easy to make something, and as with all languages, when the learning curve is low, you will see more amateur code around. Micha Schopman Project Manager ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214728 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I don't understand why so many people go looking for free scripts and stuff in CF. If CF is touted as a rapid development language, doesn't that mean you should be able to write it yourself? I hear comments all the time that come across as people being lazy or people being cheap, but you never know people's situations. The whole point of the community is to bring people together who are different. Everyone just deal with it and quit complaining. As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving it a try. That's the beauty of the community is that everyone can do what they want, when they want. Yeah, support eachother when you feel the need, but if you don't want to, that's fine too. It's just like a living community...not everyone is involved in the same ways and not everyone wants to spend all their time in the community. It's nice to see eachother and help eachother every once in a while, but most of the time, I prefer to venture abroad. Anyway, this whole argument is kinda silly so I'll let everyone get back to work. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Well I can safely say that almost everything I have ever gone looking for doesn't exist in CF, but is a plenty in PHP/ASP. I went looking for Affiliate scripts for example. There are tons of good ones for everything except CF, for which I found 1, and it was not free. I can say the same for things like forums, portals, community apps. This really isn't anything that needs proving, it is right there for anyone to see. Feel free to go search for any of those things I mentioned and see what you come up with for CF. CF has some free tags and UDF's sure, but not much in the way of full apps, and the majority of the semi-decent stuff is not free anwyay. Russ -Original Message- From: Michael Bramwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 02:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Between Macromedia live docs, HOF lists and a few other sites I think CF is fairly well covered. While it is sometimes helpful do you really need millions of free and mostly useless scripts, whether it be php,asp,js, or whatever. Michael B. - Original Message - From: Russ Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Don't pick on cf developers. Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community. Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF. Thus why we have millions of free PHP/ASP scripts and like 2 free cf scripts. There is only 1 free cf forum I know of, and ALL cf forums free or not, are crap compared to the PHP/ASP solutions. Russ -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 00:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to pay more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it. It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how frickin cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than a buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's PATHETIC, people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community. If WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so broke, come on! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45 an hour was fairly low for cfm dev'r too make. grrr I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore have a reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not being free is really lame.. but now it costs too much money. So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of bucks on something that helps you make a living??? Or you cant take 5 minutes to download the plugins you want? btw~ doesnt rob have a package download for cfm? Thats pathetic period!!! ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:31 AM To: CF
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I don't understand why so many people go looking for free scripts and stuff in CF. If CF is touted as a rapid development language, doesn't that mean you should be able to write it yourself? I hear comments all the time that come across as people being lazy or people being cheap, but you never know people's situations. The whole point of the community is to bring people together who are different. Everyone just deal with it and quit complaining. As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving it a try. That's the beauty of the community is that everyone can do what they want, when they want. Yeah, support eachother when you feel the need, but if you don't want to, that's fine too. It's just like a living community...not everyone is involved in the same ways and not everyone wants to spend all their time in the community. It's nice to see eachother and help eachother every once in a while, but most of the time, I prefer to venture abroad. Anyway, this whole argument is kinda silly so I'll let everyone get back to work. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214730 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Not to mention, just like it is with PHP, in general the quality is very low and too limited for the more demanding tasks. I think, the only time I actually bought something it was a Rijndael encryption algorithm because CF did not supported strong encryption algorithms at that time. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 12 augustus 2005 14:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced I don't understand why so many people go looking for free scripts and stuff in CF. If CF is touted as a rapid development language, doesn't that mean you should be able to write it yourself? I hear comments all the time that come across as people being lazy or people being cheap, but you never know people's situations. The whole point of the community is to bring people together who are different. Everyone just deal with it and quit complaining. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214731 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving it a try. Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin', and most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just depends on everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs too. :) Thanks, Will ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214733 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Don't be too upset, John wont wear anything unless it has a horse, racing stripes or calvin peeing on a non-ford logo. :) -Adam On 8/12/05, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving it a try. Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin', and most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just depends on everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs too. :) Thanks, Will ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214734 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Why do people seem to feel the need to tell other people to quit complaining? I just don't understand this. If you feel you have something about which to complain, then by all means, please do. Your complaints about subject x may be the catalyst someone needs to start a new project or escalate your issues to someone who might be able to address them. If you're one of these knuckleheads who constantly feel the need to tell others to grin and bear it, you might want to consider taking your own advice and passing right by the thread containing the complaints. --Ferg Burns, John D wrote: I don't understand why so many people go looking for free scripts and stuff in CF. If CF is touted as a rapid development language, doesn't that mean you should be able to write it yourself? I hear comments all the time that come across as people being lazy or people being cheap, but you never know people's situations. The whole point of the community is to bring people together who are different. Everyone just deal with it and quit complaining. As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving it a try. That's the beauty of the community is that everyone can do what they want, when they want. Yeah, support eachother when you feel the need, but if you don't want to, that's fine too. It's just like a living community...not everyone is involved in the same ways and not everyone wants to spend all their time in the community. It's nice to see eachother and help eachother every once in a while, but most of the time, I prefer to venture abroad. Anyway, this whole argument is kinda silly so I'll let everyone get back to work. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Well I can safely say that almost everything I have ever gone looking for doesn't exist in CF, but is a plenty in PHP/ASP. I went looking for Affiliate scripts for example. There are tons of good ones for everything except CF, for which I found 1, and it was not free. I can say the same for things like forums, portals, community apps. This really isn't anything that needs proving, it is right there for anyone to see. Feel free to go search for any of those things I mentioned and see what you come up with for CF. CF has some free tags and UDF's sure, but not much in the way of full apps, and the majority of the semi-decent stuff is not free anwyay. Russ -Original Message- From: Michael Bramwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 02:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Between Macromedia live docs, HOF lists and a few other sites I think CF is fairly well covered. While it is sometimes helpful do you really need millions of free and mostly useless scripts, whether it be php,asp,js, or whatever. Michael B. - Original Message - From: Russ Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Don't pick on cf developers. Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community. Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF. Thus why we have millions of free PHP/ASP scripts and like 2 free cf scripts. There is only 1 free cf forum I know of, and ALL cf forums free or not, are crap compared to the PHP/ASP solutions. Russ -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 00:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to pay more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it. It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how frickin cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than a buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's PATHETIC, people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community. If WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so broke, come on! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45 an hour was fairly low for cfm dev'r too make. grrr I may whine about ms but at least I spent money
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Yep, not slammin' you Will. Many people may like them, I just don't think they're all that great. I definitely think they're better than what they could be, but they seem to me like a developer made them as opposed to a designer. I guess most people in the community are developers and will like them, but I have a side business with a graphic designer who does some cool shirt designs so it may be an unfair comparison. Just my personal opinion. Keep up the effort though. It's definitely a good market. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving it a try. Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin', and most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just depends on everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs too. :) Thanks, Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214737 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Sell baseball caps with a B. Forta fake beard attached to it. That is definitely a best seller. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 12 augustus 2005 14:43 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving it a try. Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin', and most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just depends on everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs too. :) Thanks, Will ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214740 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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On 8/12/05, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that
have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that
were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion
gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting
something and giving it a try.
Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin', and
most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just depends on
everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs too. :)
Will:
It's nothing to take offense at. Not everything is going to appeal to
everyone. I say this because...well, I don't particularly care for
the shirts either. I'm glad that most of the comments you've received
have been positive, and I'm glad there are people who like 'em and are
buying 'em. I've never voiced an opinion ('til now) because I never
saw a reason to say something that might seem considered derogatory
(and again, it's not...it's just a matter of preference).
So why say something now? Because Dave, in all of his infinite wisdom
and grammatical errors felt it necessary to suggest that we must not
be buying Will's shirts because we're cheap. Well, sorry Dave, but
I don't see where you have the right to suggest that of anybody. You
don't know how much any of us make, nor do you know our financial
situations. Yeah, I do ok...no, I don't make $45/hr. But even though
I do OK, I do have a wife and 2 kids and I've been selfish enough to
spend my money on stuff like...oh, sending my daughter to camp, or
preschool, or taking them different places on the weekends since we
don't get to spend as much time together during the week as we'd like
to. There's mortgage, car payments, and all of those fun things. But
God forbid I don't show my support for the community by not buying a
shirt. For you to even suggest that we're all cheap and pathetic
is appreciated by the community as a whole, I'm sure.
--
Charlie Griefer
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and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch
you, digger, listener, runner, prince with a swift warning.
Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
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Don't be too upset, John wont wear anything unless it has a horse, racing stripes or calvin peeing on a non-ford logo. :) Ok! I'm gettin' some ideas here. A NASCAR with COLDFUSION plastered all over it! :) Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214739 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Haha :-) I hardly wore any Mustang stuff to work at Hopkins. Now, the decorations on my desk and wall are a different story, but what can I say? That brings up a good point. Will- if you make a CF shirt that incorporates a 1967 Convertible Mustang or the Mustang logo I'll buy one :-) John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Don't be too upset, John wont wear anything unless it has a horse, racing stripes or calvin peeing on a non-ford logo. :) -Adam On 8/12/05, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving it a try. Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin', and most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just depends on everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs too. :) Thanks, Will ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214741 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Ferg- Good point. I guess my telling people to quit complaining was my version of complaining :-) I just get tired of hearing people spend all their time worrying about the CF community or what we don't have rather than just doing their job and working on making things the way they want. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Why do people seem to feel the need to tell other people to quit complaining? I just don't understand this. If you feel you have something about which to complain, then by all means, please do. Your complaints about subject x may be the catalyst someone needs to start a new project or escalate your issues to someone who might be able to address them. If you're one of these knuckleheads who constantly feel the need to tell others to grin and bear it, you might want to consider taking your own advice and passing right by the thread containing the complaints. --Ferg ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214742 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Haha :-) I hardly wore any Mustang stuff to work at Hopkins. Now, the decorations on my desk and wall are a different story, but what can I say? That brings up a good point. Will- if you make a CF shirt that incorporates a 1967 Convertible Mustang or the Mustang logo I'll buy one :-) H ... ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214743 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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That would be great! :-) John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Sell baseball caps with a B. Forta fake beard attached to it. That is definitely a best seller. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vrijdag 12 augustus 2005 14:43 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving it a try. Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin', and most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just depends on everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs too. :) Thanks, Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214744 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Me, I'm just too damn cheap. I mean I'm too cheap to buy a shirt or an
app that I can find for free. I have no problem with that either. I'm a
tough consumer. If you want my money, it's going to be for something I
really want to pay to have. Even if you doubled my salary today, I'd
still be the same way. It doesn't matter how much money I have; it's
mine and I'm going to keep as much as I can. What would anyone really
say is the problem with that?
--Ferg
Charlie Griefer wrote:
Will: It's nothing to take offense at. Not everything is going to
appeal to everyone. I say this because...well, I don't particularly
care for the shirts either. I'm glad that most of the comments
you've received have been positive, and I'm glad there are people
who like 'em and are buying 'em. I've never voiced an opinion ('til
now) because I never saw a reason to say something that might seem
considered derogatory (and again, it's not...it's just a matter of
preference). So why say something now? Because Dave, in all of his
infinite wisdom and grammatical errors felt it necessary to suggest
that we must not be buying Will's shirts because we're cheap.
Well, sorry Dave, but I don't see where you have the right to
suggest that of anybody. You don't know how much any of us make, nor
do you know our financial situations. Yeah, I do ok...no, I don't
make $45/hr. But even though I do OK, I do have a wife and 2 kids
and I've been selfish enough to spend my money on stuff like...oh,
sending my daughter to camp, or preschool, or taking them different
places on the weekends since we don't get to spend as much time
together during the week as we'd like to. There's mortgage, car
payments, and all of those fun things. But God forbid I don't show
my support for the community by not buying a shirt. For you to even
suggest that we're all cheap and pathetic is appreciated by the
community as a whole, I'm sure.
--
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Michael- Yeah, I'd have to agree. I was just thinking that as I posted my last reply. I have CF-Community though (please no one blast me for this) I just wish there was a forum for general Cf-talk questions as well as a little bit of off topic every once in a while. I don't particularly care to discuss politics or anything like that which is most of what I've seen on CF-Community. I just with the CF-Community talk stayed on the topic of the Cold Fusion community and wasn't just a random chat session. I'm not blasting those who talk on there, I just wish there was something in between Cf-talk and cf-community. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:00 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced I'll be the ass today and say that this is definitely cf-community now. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214748 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Charlie,
Amen! While I don't spend most of my money on noble things like children
since I don't have them yet, I do have a wife (and yes she takes a lot
of my money) and I have hobbies, interests and give money to charity. I
don't make $45/hour either, though I wish I did. If I made that much,
perhaps I would throw $20 towards Will whether I liked the shirts or
not. Maybe I should start taking donations and then people like Dave
will feel inclined to throw some of that $45/hour my way.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
On 8/12/05, Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that
have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts
that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool
coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for
starting something and giving it a try.
Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer
lookin', and most of the comments I've received have been very
positive. Just depends on everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on
some new designs too. :)
Will:
It's nothing to take offense at. Not everything is going to appeal to
everyone. I say this because...well, I don't particularly care for the
shirts either. I'm glad that most of the comments you've received have
been positive, and I'm glad there are people who like 'em and are buying
'em. I've never voiced an opinion ('til now) because I never saw a
reason to say something that might seem considered derogatory (and
again, it's not...it's just a matter of preference).
So why say something now? Because Dave, in all of his infinite wisdom
and grammatical errors felt it necessary to suggest that we must not be
buying Will's shirts because we're cheap. Well, sorry Dave, but I
don't see where you have the right to suggest that of anybody. You
don't know how much any of us make, nor do you know our financial
situations. Yeah, I do ok...no, I don't make $45/hr. But even though I
do OK, I do have a wife and 2 kids and I've been selfish enough to spend
my money on stuff like...oh, sending my daughter to camp, or preschool,
or taking them different places on the weekends since we don't get to
spend as much time together during the week as we'd like to. There's
mortgage, car payments, and all of those fun things. But God forbid I
don't show my support for the community by not buying a shirt. For you
to even suggest that we're all cheap and pathetic
is appreciated by the community as a whole, I'm sure.
--
Charlie Griefer
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Hey Mike think you can add a few lists? Cf-techTalk (All CF questions, no bs, if its not about coding or server admin it doesn't belong) CF-Talk (CF questions with CF related discussions) CF-Community (General discussions, non-political, non-Religious) CF-Politics (Poiltical discussions only, no cf discussions or questions) CF-Religion (Religious discussions only, no cf discussions or questions) Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214750 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin', and most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just depends on everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs too. :) Will, FWIW I picked up one of your t-shirts at CFUnited. By the last day I saw several people walking around with them. larry ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214751 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I think at that point, it gets to be too many lists is the problem. I think the current lists could just be re-structured to house the right stuff. The problem is that no one will want to rejoin and go through all that stuff to get on the appropriate lists. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong and it'd be worth a revamp, but I think we'll probably just have to deal. I would just like it if Cf-talk could house some of the OT conversations that do vaguely relate to CF because of the community. It's just tough to draw lines because what I want in a list differs from what others want in the list. And, who knows, if I had what I wanted, I'd probably find cause for complaining at some point. :-) John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Hey Mike think you can add a few lists? Cf-techTalk (All CF questions, no bs, if its not about coding or server admin it doesn't belong) CF-Talk (CF questions with CF related discussions) CF-Community (General discussions, non-political, non-Religious) CF-Politics (Poiltical discussions only, no cf discussions or questions) CF-Religion (Religious discussions only, no cf discussions or questions) Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214753 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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No no no... please don't do that! The lists are perfect the way that they are. People can get away with asking the occasional OT on CF-TALK as long as it's not WWOT. CF-COMMUNITY is a melting pot of anything goes. Between those two, everything is covered. When you add all of the other lists, the community gets really fragmented. This list is self-moderating and it works well. People occasionally get rude, but it goes right back to normal. I subscribe to only these two lists. Every other tech list I've belonged to is a strict On-Topic where moderators check every post and then send you to the appropriate list, where hopefully somebody might be subscribed who knows the answer. You end up subscribed to 15 lists, and 90% of the time, you only needed that one answer, and the rest of the topics on that list are entirely uninteresting. Matthew Small -Original Message- From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Hey Mike think you can add a few lists? Cf-techTalk (All CF questions, no bs, if its not about coding or server admin it doesn't belong) CF-Talk (CF questions with CF related discussions) CF-Community (General discussions, non-political, non-Religious) CF-Politics (Poiltical discussions only, no cf discussions or questions) CF-Religion (Religious discussions only, no cf discussions or questions) Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214755 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Agreed. We can cover everything we need with the occasional OT thread (which I can say that over the years has never been really WOT). The politics and religion suggestions are just asking for trouble and for friends to become enemies. -Original Message- From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 15:26 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced No no no... please don't do that! The lists are perfect the way that they are. People can get away with asking the occasional OT on CF-TALK as long as it's not WWOT. CF-COMMUNITY is a melting pot of anything goes. Between those two, everything is covered. When you add all of the other lists, the community gets really fragmented. This list is self-moderating and it works well. People occasionally get rude, but it goes right back to normal. I subscribe to only these two lists. Every other tech list I've belonged to is a strict On-Topic where moderators check every post and then send you to the appropriate list, where hopefully somebody might be subscribed who knows the answer. You end up subscribed to 15 lists, and 90% of the time, you only needed that one answer, and the rest of the topics on that list are entirely uninteresting. Matthew Small -Original Message- From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Hey Mike think you can add a few lists? Cf-techTalk (All CF questions, no bs, if its not about coding or server admin it doesn't belong) CF-Talk (CF questions with CF related discussions) CF-Community (General discussions, non-political, non-Religious) CF-Politics (Poiltical discussions only, no cf discussions or questions) CF-Religion (Religious discussions only, no cf discussions or questions) Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214757 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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It was tongue in cheek guys, didn't mean it as a real suggestion. I was mocking the over separation of lists. Personally I don't care if a thread is a little OT once in a while. Sometimes they just morph into being OT. From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:Neil.Robertson- Agreed. We can cover everything we need with the occasional OT thread (which I can say that over the years has never been really WOT). The politics and religion suggestions are just asking for trouble and for friends to become enemies. From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No no no... please don't do that! The lists are perfect the way that they are. People can get away with asking the occasional OT on CF-TALK as long as it's not WWOT. CF-COMMUNITY is a melting pot of anything goes. Between those two, everything is covered. When you add all of the other lists, the community gets really fragmented. This list is self-moderating and it works well. People occasionally get rude, but it goes right back to normal. I subscribe to only these two lists. Every other tech list I've belonged to is a strict On-Topic where moderators check every post and then send you to the appropriate list, where hopefully somebody might be subscribed who knows the answer. You end up subscribed to 15 lists, and 90% of the time, you only needed that one answer, and the rest of the topics on that list are entirely uninteresting. Matthew Small From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Mike think you can add a few lists? Cf-techTalk (All CF questions, no bs, if its not about coding or server admin it doesn't belong) CF-Talk (CF questions with CF related discussions) CF-Community (General discussions, non-political, non-Religious) CF-Politics (Poiltical discussions only, no cf discussions or questions) CF-Religion (Religious discussions only, no cf discussions or questions) Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214760 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I just wish there was something in between Cf-talk and cf-community. I would suspect that is the CF-OT list, but it is very lightly used. So the list exists, one just needs to get more people to use. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214766 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Now there's a more reasonable answer. Good one Mark. -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 13:56 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced All the proliferation of free scripts in PHP does is contribute to it's reputation as being cheap and drive down the price that developers can ask. Don't you konw how many CF developers own their own businesses and no longer live with their mothers :) -mk -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 5:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Well I can safely say that almost everything I have ever gone looking for doesn't exist in CF, but is a plenty in PHP/ASP. I went looking for Affiliate scripts for example. There are tons of good ones for everything except CF, for which I found 1, and it was not free. I can say the same for things like forums, portals, community apps. This really isn't anything that needs proving, it is right there for anyone to see. Feel free to go search for any of those things I mentioned and see what you come up with for CF. CF has some free tags and UDF's sure, but not much in the way of full apps, and the majority of the semi-decent stuff is not free anwyay. Russ -Original Message- From: Michael Bramwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 02:49 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Between Macromedia live docs, HOF lists and a few other sites I think CF is fairly well covered. While it is sometimes helpful do you really need millions of free and mostly useless scripts, whether it be php,asp,js, or whatever. Michael B. - Original Message - From: Russ Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Don't pick on cf developers. Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community. Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF. Thus why we have millions of free PHP/ASP scripts and like 2 free cf scripts. There is only 1 free cf forum I know of, and ALL cf forums free or not, are crap compared to the PHP/ASP solutions. Russ -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 00:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to pay more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it. It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how frickin cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than a buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's PATHETIC, people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community. If WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so broke, come on! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45 an hour was fairly low for cfm dev'r too make. grrr I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore have a reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not being free is really lame.. but now it costs too much money. So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of bucks on something that helps you make a living??? Or you cant take 5 minutes to download the plugins you want? btw~ doesnt rob have a package download for cfm? Thats pathetic period!!! ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:31 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned? I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much money. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 -- -- -- -- - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl
RE: Studio 8 announced
simple. You have a client, they say they want a forum and point you at PHPBB as an example stating that it is FREE (don't reply saying PHPBB is not FREE, it's just an example, I forget if this is the free one). So what can oyu offer them. Only 1 free cf forum that I know of, and it looks pretty kack. Offer them the pricy and also kack Fusetalk, or charge them several grand to write one for them. Of cours ethey are gonna say, us ethe PHP forum then. Lots of cleint sonly have a small budget and cannot afford to pay for everything to be custom written, we have to cater for these type sof customers. And usually the only way to do so is to resort to using readily available apps/scripts in other lanaguages. The various comments that have been made here about may be true, but the cleint really isn't going to give a hoot about such things are they. Russ -Original Message- From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 14:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced I don't understand why so many people go looking for free scripts and stuff in CF. If CF is touted as a rapid development language, doesn't that mean you should be able to write it yourself? I hear comments all the time that come across as people being lazy or people being cheap, but you never know people's situations. The whole point of the community is to bring people together who are different. Everyone just deal with it and quit complaining. As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving it a try. That's the beauty of the community is that everyone can do what they want, when they want. Yeah, support eachother when you feel the need, but if you don't want to, that's fine too. It's just like a living community...not everyone is involved in the same ways and not everyone wants to spend all their time in the community. It's nice to see eachother and help eachother every once in a while, but most of the time, I prefer to venture abroad. Anyway, this whole argument is kinda silly so I'll let everyone get back to work. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214769 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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The various comments that have been made here about may be true, but the client really isn't going to give a hoot about such things are they. Russ Now that depends on your client now doesn't it. If the majority of your clients are small mom and pop operations then what you claim is probably true. On the other hand, most of my development life has been behind corporate firewalls. There are other factors for these kinds of clients; such as security. We have to deal with HIPPA regulations. And I can say that we are much more likely to pay for a solution, if that solution can be said to be more secure, better documented and have an accountable support system that we can rely on if there is a problem. So as with most things in life, it depends on your perspective. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214773 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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My argument is that I wouldn't call PHPBB (or any forum for that matter) a script. I'd call that an application in and of itself. I agree that there aren't many free, community developed, apps out there in CF. But the original poster said something about scripts and I think there are plenty out there, and the ones that aren't can be written by the developer themselves. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced simple. You have a client, they say they want a forum and point you at PHPBB as an example stating that it is FREE (don't reply saying PHPBB is not FREE, it's just an example, I forget if this is the free one). So what can oyu offer them. Only 1 free cf forum that I know of, and it looks pretty kack. Offer them the pricy and also kack Fusetalk, or charge them several grand to write one for them. Of cours ethey are gonna say, us ethe PHP forum then. Lots of cleint sonly have a small budget and cannot afford to pay for everything to be custom written, we have to cater for these type sof customers. And usually the only way to do so is to resort to using readily available apps/scripts in other lanaguages. The various comments that have been made here about may be true, but the cleint really isn't going to give a hoot about such things are they. Russ -Original Message- From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 14:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced I don't understand why so many people go looking for free scripts and stuff in CF. If CF is touted as a rapid development language, doesn't that mean you should be able to write it yourself? I hear comments all the time that come across as people being lazy or people being cheap, but you never know people's situations. The whole point of the community is to bring people together who are different. Everyone just deal with it and quit complaining. As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving it a try. That's the beauty of the community is that everyone can do what they want, when they want. Yeah, support eachother when you feel the need, but if you don't want to, that's fine too. It's just like a living community...not everyone is involved in the same ways and not everyone wants to spend all their time in the community. It's nice to see eachother and help eachother every once in a while, but most of the time, I prefer to venture abroad. Anyway, this whole argument is kinda silly so I'll let everyone get back to work. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214774 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Thus why I said quote Lots of clients sonly have a small budget and cannot afford to pay for everything to be custom written /quote And of course it depends on your clients, that is the whole point. You cannot expect them all to have £200k to spend. russ -Original Message- From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 16:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced The various comments that have been made here about may be true, but the client really isn't going to give a hoot about such things are they. Russ Now that depends on your client now doesn't it. If the majority of your clients are small mom and pop operations then what you claim is probably true. On the other hand, most of my development life has been behind corporate firewalls. There are other factors for these kinds of clients; such as security. We have to deal with HIPPA regulations. And I can say that we are much more likely to pay for a solution, if that solution can be said to be more secure, better documented and have an accountable support system that we can rely on if there is a problem. So as with most things in life, it depends on your perspective. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214775 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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ewww, clients with small budgets the php guys are welcome to them! -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 16:36 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced simple. You have a client, they say they want a forum and point you at PHPBB as an example stating that it is FREE (don't reply saying PHPBB is not FREE, it's just an example, I forget if this is the free one). So what can oyu offer them. Only 1 free cf forum that I know of, and it looks pretty kack. Offer them the pricy and also kack Fusetalk, or charge them several grand to write one for them. Of cours ethey are gonna say, us ethe PHP forum then. Lots of cleint sonly have a small budget and cannot afford to pay for everything to be custom written, we have to cater for these type sof customers. And usually the only way to do so is to resort to using readily available apps/scripts in other lanaguages. The various comments that have been made here about may be true, but the cleint really isn't going to give a hoot about such things are they. Russ -Original Message- From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 14:34 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced I don't understand why so many people go looking for free scripts and stuff in CF. If CF is touted as a rapid development language, doesn't that mean you should be able to write it yourself? I hear comments all the time that come across as people being lazy or people being cheap, but you never know people's situations. The whole point of the community is to bring people together who are different. Everyone just deal with it and quit complaining. As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving it a try. That's the beauty of the community is that everyone can do what they want, when they want. Yeah, support eachother when you feel the need, but if you don't want to, that's fine too. It's just like a living community...not everyone is involved in the same ways and not everyone wants to spend all their time in the community. It's nice to see eachother and help eachother every once in a while, but most of the time, I prefer to venture abroad. Anyway, this whole argument is kinda silly so I'll let everyone get back to work. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214778 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Now that depends on your client now doesn't it. If the majority of your clients are small mom and pop operations then what you claim is probably true. I think it's also good to keep in mind that the majority of clients in the world are either smaller companies or want to spend as little as possible on anything related to the web, especially in this post-bubble era. Even a lot of larger companies spend considerable energy trying to avoid projects with hefty budgets. --Ferg ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214793 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Ok, I'll show support, but only if a cute blonde wearing only one of the shirts delivers my gold plated box and engraved CD. And she better bring snacks! -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 4:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to pay more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214803 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I bet most of those free PHP scripts you could have written yourself in the amount of time it takes to search for them. -Original Message- From: Michael Bramwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 6:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Between Macromedia live docs, HOF lists and a few other sites I think CF is fairly well covered. While it is sometimes helpful do you really need millions of free and mostly useless scripts, whether it be php,asp,js, or whatever. Michael B. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214805 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I'd prefer buying an OFFICIAL Macromedia ColdFusion shirt, with the official logo. Sorry, but they look like cheap knockoffs. -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving it a try. Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin', and most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just depends on everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs too. :) Thanks, Will ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214816 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I do some nice Captain Coldfusion shirts :-) Russ -Original Message- From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 21:38 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced I'd prefer buying an OFFICIAL Macromedia ColdFusion shirt, with the official logo. Sorry, but they look like cheap knockoffs. -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving it a try. Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin', and most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just depends on everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs too. :) Thanks, Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214817 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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lol s it's called promoting coldfusion and come on, I have seen most of you and I can surely say that there are no fashion mongers between us!! so thats not an excuse. (btw~ sorry connie but sam only delivers to my house!)(but she is available for modeling jobs, I'll put up new bikini pix from weds and more coming on sunday for y'all if its requested, email me off list. see im giving back with some midday motivation :) ) I'll wear the shirt out and almost every time someone will ask me about it and a lot of the ppl are using php cause like always they think cfm is expensive, so by wearing the shirt and talking to these ppl I am able to bring more ppl to the cfm front. Sitting in your closet (at your parents house) writing cfm code isn't promoting it I hate to tell ya. and for Charlie: Ya know charlie I love kids more than anything and I can understand that but its still no excuse, while I don't have a family I do have a daughter and my child support alone is $1000 a month and I can afford to support our cfm. And since you love attacking my grammer and infinate knowledge or whatever thats fine go for it. You attack my grammer malfuctions and I'll laugh at your measily paycheck how about that? The funny thing about my whole beef on here this time is this: Everytime something new is released the same ppl bitch about it and how it doesnt server them up their exact order, an order which they refuse to pay for btw~ And if it did give them what they want then they wouldn't want to pay for it and thats bullshit, those same ppl bitch about every single thing that comes along but they aren't smart enough to figure out that why products don't include cfm support. Ya know all these editors that basically support every other language but not cfm, do you guys not wonder why that is? It's not brain surgery. I hope your car mechanic uses free tools or that your surgeon got his medical license from Crazy Larry's FREE instant online degree site. Free tools are nice but like when Rob releases a new version of cfeclipse and all you guys do is piss and moan about it, how do you think it makes him feel, do you think he wants to invest all his extra time in something that you guys just try and degrade cause you have to spend another 30 seconds to find a plugin that you want. If I was Rob or anyone that goes through that after putting so much effort into it I would charge for it and let all the cheap asses fend for themselfs (they always have notepad! since they are on windows, how come you dont hardly see ppl with macs complaining about buying stuff?) Point is that if we all want better cfm support in products then chip in and help out cause thats the biggest disadvantage of cfm. Don't get me wrong, I love most of you guys and our coding support on here is amazing, a truely valuable resource in which I am truelly greatfull:) But we need to do more as a community to get those things we want in products because we are seen as the group who only bitches and the ppl making these products don't want to deal with us and that's reality:( ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Connie DeCinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:40 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced I'd prefer buying an OFFICIAL Macromedia ColdFusion shirt, with the official logo. Sorry, but they look like cheap knockoffs. -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced As for the comments about not buying t-shirts, what the heck did that have to do with anything? I personally am not a fan of the shirts that were made and wouldn't put them in the category of Cool coldfusion gear in my opinion, but it's a start. I applaud Will for starting something and giving it a try. Jeeez! Well thanks ... I guess. *I* think they're pretty killer lookin', and most of the comments I've received have been very positive. Just depends on everyones' tastes I guess. I'm workin' on some new designs too. :) Thanks, Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214821 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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On 8/12/05, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snippage) and for Charlie: Ya know charlie I love kids more than anything and I can understand that but its still no excuse, while I don't have a family I do have a daughter and my child support alone is $1000 a month and I can afford to support our cfm. And since you love attacking my grammer and infinate knowledge or whatever thats fine go for it. You attack my grammer malfuctions and I'll laugh at your measily paycheck how about that? -sigh-. I know this is going to be an exercise in futility...kind of like trying to get just a little bit of light from a burnt out bulb...but here goes nothing. I have close to 3,000 posts on Easycfm.com. I've written a number of tutorials there. For the past 4 years, I've run an IRC channel dedicated to ColdFusion. I answer questions on here (when I can). I'm active in my local CFUG. I think all of that does a hell of a lot more to support the CF Community than you are doing walking around in a t-shirt. I just don't particularly see you as being in a position to tell anybody that they're not doing enough for the CF community or that they're cheap or that they're pathetic. I wouldn't expect that from anybody, frankly. You want to laugh at my measily paycheck go right ahead. I'm a pretty happy person and think I do OK. My wife and kids are happy with what we've got, which is a lot more important to me than whether or not you find it amusing. And since the thread is (and has been) thoroughly off topic, and is travelling at light speed towards the point of diminishing returns (if not already way past it), I'll bow out now in spite of whatever witty retort you may have (feel free to post it to cf-community or send it to my email) -- Charlie Griefer ...All the world shall be your enemy, Prince with a Thousand Enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with a swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214823 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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When a thread starts to talk about things that have nothing to do with the subject, then PLEASE change the subject. The subject above says Studio 8. This has nothing to do with CF vs. PHP. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214825 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Wow! This thread has turned into a flame war. Calm down, guys! Just wanted to let you know that we've put up two articles on Studio 8 on Fusion Authority, and another article discussing whether you can sell an old copy of Contribute 3 or Flashpaper 2 (many people did buy those products separately) once you upgrade to Studio 8. Here are the URLS: Studio 8: The Next Generation Part I http://www.fusionauthority.com/Reviews/Article.cfm/ArticleID:4485 Studio 8: The Next Generation Part II http://www.fusionauthority.com/Reviews/Article.cfm/ArticleID:4487 Transferring Ownership of Your Macromedia Software http://www.fusionauthority.com/Knowledge_Base/Article.cfm/ArticleID=4486 Judith Dinowitz Editor Fusion Authority http://www.fusionauthority.com The House of Fusion Technical Magazine ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214826 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I know Studio now includes Contribute and Flashpaper, which Contribute included anyway, but does anyone else feel there's something missing? It's no great loss that they dropped Freehand from the suite, but still... For most people it feels like Studio is now nothing more than Dreamweaver and Fireworks. What is the cost to upgrade just those two apps? Constanty Connie DeCinko III Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer Lone Jet Enterprises Glendale, Arizona www.LoneJet.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214829 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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well the biggest program in there is flash make no mistake about that. So basically the new studio is the new flash and some other programs.. is it worth the upgrade?? hell f**k yes!!! the new stuff is badd az www.communitymx.com has a bunch of free articles this week on some of the new stuff ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. From: Connie DeCinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:43 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced I know Studio now includes Contribute and Flashpaper, which Contribute included anyway, but does anyone else feel there's something missing? It's no great loss that they dropped Freehand from the suite, but still... For most people it feels like Studio is now nothing more than Dreamweaver and Fireworks. What is the cost to upgrade just those two apps? Constanty Connie DeCinko III Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer Lone Jet Enterprises Glendale, Arizona www.LoneJet.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214830 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Sorry, but they look like cheap knockoffs. Well now that's just plain wrong. I've had so many compliments on the quality of these shirts that one or two nasty little comments like that bounce right off them. If anything is cheap it's the fact that someone would call something cheap when they haven't even looked at it in person. The quality of the shirts and the designs stands on its own! Maybe I need to design some pink ones? Or more feminine designs before you'll be happy? Or better yet, I'll come out with CF purses. Will ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214832 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Excuse me, but why don't you get your facts straight before you open your big fat mouth. I am a man, not a woman. And second, others have said they look like a developer, not a designer designed them. They lack style and look like they were done with basic Windows fonts. My son could have done better with his crayons. -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Sorry, but they look like cheap knockoffs. Well now that's just plain wrong. I've had so many compliments on the quality of these shirts that one or two nasty little comments like that bounce right off them. If anything is cheap it's the fact that someone would call something cheap when they haven't even looked at it in person. The quality of the shirts and the designs stands on its own! Maybe I need to design some pink ones? Or more feminine designs before you'll be happy? Or better yet, I'll come out with CF purses. Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214834 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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LMFAO but connie that was totally tasteless, rude and very bitchy, hell this whole time I thought you were a girl too, too funny!!! My son could have done better with his crayons. you mean with your crayons? does he know you aren't his mom? Im sure Will I werent the only ones who didnt know you are a guy. I wouldnt be getting pissed cause he wrote back with a simple mistake after your lame attack on his shirts which are probably outta your league anyway, maybe if he put beavis and butthead on then they'd be the style you would go for.. See this is what my whole thread was about, someone does something good for the community and some asswipe like you comes along and spews your crap all over it with no appreciation what so ever are you really Micha in disguise? you just got tagged with the POS label in my book! ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. From: Connie DeCinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:43 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Excuse me, but why don't you get your facts straight before you open your big fat mouth. I am a man, not a woman. And second, others have said they look like a developer, not a designer designed them. They lack style and look like they were done with basic Windows fonts. My son could have done better with his crayons. -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Sorry, but they look like cheap knockoffs. Well now that's just plain wrong. I've had so many compliments on the quality of these shirts that one or two nasty little comments like that bounce right off them. If anything is cheap it's the fact that someone would call something cheap when they haven't even looked at it in person. The quality of the shirts and the designs stands on its own! Maybe I need to design some pink ones? Or more feminine designs before you'll be happy? Or better yet, I'll come out with CF purses. Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214836 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Good thing the weekend's here. I think we can all use it :) On 8/12/05, Connie DeCinko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excuse me, but why don't you get your facts straight before you open your big fat mouth. I am a man, not a woman. And second, others have said they look like a developer, not a designer designed them. They lack style and look like they were done with basic Windows fonts. My son could have done better with his crayons. -Original Message- From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced Sorry, but they look like cheap knockoffs. Well now that's just plain wrong. I've had so many compliments on the quality of these shirts that one or two nasty little comments like that bounce right off them. If anything is cheap it's the fact that someone would call something cheap when they haven't even looked at it in person. The quality of the shirts and the designs stands on its own! Maybe I need to design some pink ones? Or more feminine designs before you'll be happy? Or better yet, I'll come out with CF purses. Will ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214837 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Since a few people have seen fit to label my shirts cheap, I thought I'd post a few comments I've received from customers. I won't name anyone here, but I WILL tell you that you'd recognize the names. I have more ... Will, - No need to reply back. I just wanted to comment that the shirt arrived and is looks great. -Very cool shirt, thanks! -These shirts came really quickly, and they are great! Thanks for offering them. Good luck, -Hey Will, Just to let you know that this lot came through safely. These, and the others should go down a treat at next months UG meeting. Cheers, ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214838 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to pay more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it. It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how frickin cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than a buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's PATHETIC, people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community. If WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so broke, come on! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45 an hour was fairly low for cfm dev'r too make. grrr I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore have a reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not being free is really lame.. but now it costs too much money. So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of bucks on something that helps you make a living??? Or you cant take 5 minutes to download the plugins you want? btw~ doesnt rob have a package download for cfm? Thats pathetic period!!! ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:31 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned? I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much money. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it to a folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat. -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2005 20:55 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc. If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces. And maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;) As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is code collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products, knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the document was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this feature. I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site, but for some reason I hope for more. Like that they - fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX - crashes when searching through folders with find replace (and they occured on specific xml files) - showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that I might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to which project. - step into, just like Eclipse has on folders - enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW - fixing the lookup of selections on search - split code view, like cfstudio had - breakdown of cfc's in a project If they at least payed attention to the treeview they have a buyer, but I hope they improve the support of the product. I don't understand why there haven't been released more updaters for DWMX 2004. I hope they pay more attention to existing customers :) Micha
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Don't pick on cf developers. Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community. Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF. Thus why we have millions of free PHP/ASP scripts and like 2 free cf scripts. There is only 1 free cf forum I know of, and ALL cf forums free or not, are crap compared to the PHP/ASP solutions. Russ -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 00:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to pay more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it. It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how frickin cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than a buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's PATHETIC, people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community. If WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so broke, come on! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45 an hour was fairly low for cfm dev'r too make. grrr I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore have a reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not being free is really lame.. but now it costs too much money. So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of bucks on something that helps you make a living??? Or you cant take 5 minutes to download the plugins you want? btw~ doesnt rob have a package download for cfm? Thats pathetic period!!! ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:31 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned? I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much money. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it to a folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat. -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2005 20:55 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc. If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces. And maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;) As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is code collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products, knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the document was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this feature. I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site, but for some reason I hope for more. Like that they - fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX - crashes when searching through folders with find replace (and they occured on specific xml files) - showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that I might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to which project. - step into, just like Eclipse has on folders - enabling
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Russ Michaels wrote: Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community. Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF. that's nonsense. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214687 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Between Macromedia live docs, HOF lists and a few other sites I think CF is fairly well covered. While it is sometimes helpful do you really need millions of free and mostly useless scripts, whether it be php,asp,js, or whatever. Michael B. - Original Message - From: Russ Michaels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Don't pick on cf developers. Eveyone else is the same, why do you think PHP has such a big community. Altho what does suck, is that no-one gives anything away for FREE in CF. Thus why we have millions of free PHP/ASP scripts and like 2 free cf scripts. There is only 1 free cf forum I know of, and ALL cf forums free or not, are crap compared to the PHP/ASP solutions. Russ -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2005 00:44 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced would you like it to come with your name etched in gold on the cd and the box customized with your pic and have it hand delivered to your door and only include the features you want in it. And if they did and you had to pay more than a nickle for it you'd still bitch about it. It was funny the other night at our cfug we were talking about how frickin cheap cfm developers are, whining and crying if they gotta spend more than a buck for anything and its so true!!! Most of you are even too cheap to buy one of Wills cfm shirts and show your support, I mean really, It's PATHETIC, people be ashamed of yourselfs because this is what hurts our community. If WIll made PHP or Flash or .crap shirts they'd be all bought up in a heart beat. Lets be real you guys make good money but you act so broke, come on! We figured in our our area (denver) that $45 an hour was fairly low for cfm dev'r too make. grrr I may whine about ms but at least I spent money on it and therefore have a reason but this crap with you guys bitching about stuff and it not being free is really lame.. but now it costs too much money. So you make multi-million dollar apps but can't spend a couple of bucks on something that helps you make a living??? Or you cant take 5 minutes to download the plugins you want? btw~ doesnt rob have a package download for cfm? Thats pathetic period!!! ~Dave the disruptor~ A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:31 AM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned? I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much money. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it to a folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat. -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2005 20:55 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc. If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces. And maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;) As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is code collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products, knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the document was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this feature. I like
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Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it to a folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat. -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2005 20:55 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc. If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces. And maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;) As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is code collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products, knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the document was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this feature. I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site, but for some reason I hope for more. Like that they - fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX - crashes when searching through folders with find replace (and they occured on specific xml files) - showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that I might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to which project. - step into, just like Eclipse has on folders - enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW - fixing the lookup of selections on search - split code view, like cfstudio had - breakdown of cfc's in a project If they at least payed attention to the treeview they have a buyer, but I hope they improve the support of the product. I don't understand why there haven't been released more updaters for DWMX 2004. I hope they pay more attention to existing customers :) Micha ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214122 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned? I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much money. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it to a folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat. -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2005 20:55 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc. If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces. And maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;) As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is code collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products, knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the document was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this feature. I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site, but for some reason I hope for more. Like that they - fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX - crashes when searching through folders with find replace (and they occured on specific xml files) - showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that I might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to which project. - step into, just like Eclipse has on folders - enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW - fixing the lookup of selections on search - split code view, like cfstudio had - breakdown of cfc's in a project If they at least payed attention to the treeview they have a buyer, but I hope they improve the support of the product. I don't understand why there haven't been released more updaters for DWMX 2004. I hope they pay more attention to existing customers :) Micha ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214138 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Connie, Actually I believe the license did allow for two installations of Studio, as long as both installations were not running simultaneously, just for your type of situation. Cutter Connie DeCinko wrote: I have not read the information yet, but wonder if anything has changed in regards to licensing? I find it silly that I must pay for two licenses for each developer that happens to work part-time on a notebook and part-time on a desktop computer. I thought the world was moving to a check-out system? So you could have say 5 licenses and 5 users working at any given time, even if you have dozens of authorized users. Constanty Connie DeCinko III Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer Lone Jet Enterprises Glendale, Arizona www.LoneJet.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214139 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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On Tuesday 09 August 2005 13:29, Micha Schopman wrote: But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned? I believe someone made one and posted it over on the CFEclipse mailing list. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214140 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Studio 8 announced
-Original Message- From: Cutter (CF-Talk) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually I believe the license did allow for two installations of Studio, as long as both installations were not running simultaneously, just for your type of situation. Actually there's an added limitation: you can only use the license on Windows machines *or* on a Mac, so if you have a PC at work and a Mac at home you need two licenses! -- Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014 #include stdjoke.h ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214143 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Studio 8 announced
Well it includes Eclipse - which is the IDE in question. Sure CFEclipse is an extra download or if you will, the plugin. Still takes a shorter time to get up and running than DW (not that I am belittling DW ;-)) -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 August 2005 13:29 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned? I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much money. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it to a folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat. -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2005 20:55 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc. If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces. And maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;) As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is code collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products, knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the document was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this feature. I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site, but for some reason I hope for more. Like that they - fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX - crashes when searching through folders with find replace (and they occured on specific xml files) - showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that I might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to which project. - step into, just like Eclipse has on folders - enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW - fixing the lookup of selections on search - split code view, like cfstudio had - breakdown of cfc's in a project If they at least payed attention to the treeview they have a buyer, but I hope they improve the support of the product. I don't understand why there haven't been released more updaters for DWMX 2004. I hope they pay more attention to existing customers :) Micha ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214150 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Studio 8 announced
Well, why don't you be that someone? -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 8:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced But does that zip contain a full IDE implementing the list I mentioned? I haven't seen one yet. When someone stands up, and builds an installer encapsulating this all you have a winner, but now it costs too much money. Micha Schopman Project Manager Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 - Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren de interactie met uw doelgroep. Wilt u meer omzet, lagere kosten of een beter service niveau? Voor meer informatie zie www.modernmedia.nl - -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 9 augustus 2005 9:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced Installer? What can simpler than downloading a zip - unzip it, copy it to a folder and click on Eclipse.exe - no reg keys, not added bloat. -Original Message- From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 August 2005 20:55 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back Eclipse. People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of downloading Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the prequisites of that toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc. If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces. And maybe it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;) As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is code collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for this functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products, knows that when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the document was a pain in the ass. So at least I hope that they did look at this feature. I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site, but for some reason I hope for more. Like that they - fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX - crashes when searching through folders with find replace (and they occured on specific xml files) - showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that I might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to which project. - step into, just like Eclipse has on folders - enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW - fixing the lookup of selections on search - split code view, like cfstudio had - breakdown of cfc's in a project If they at least payed attention to the treeview they have a buyer, but I hope they improve the support of the product. I don't understand why there haven't been released more updaters for DWMX 2004. I hope they pay more attention to existing customers :) Micha ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214231 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Studio 8 announced
-Original Message- From: Cutter (CF-Talk) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually I believe the license did allow for two installations of Studio, as long as both installations were not running simultaneously, just for your type of situation. From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually there's an added limitation: you can only use the license on Windows machines *or* on a Mac, so if you have a PC at work and a Mac at home you need two licenses! Exactly the situation I'm in. Seems like $2000 to be crossplatform is nutty. Surely with the proliferation of Macs at MACR this can be remedied? John This e-mail, including attachments, is intended for the exclusive use of the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you think that you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Epilepsy Foundation ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214248 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Studio 8 announced
Kevin Graeme wrote: Flash Player 8? It's already available though not linked on the main Flash download page yet. Here's one place to get it. http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/experience/ thanks. and does it put the giddyup into flashforms? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214015 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Studio 8 announced
Nope - Flash player 8 works great for me in Firefox. Jason Merrill | E-Learning Solutions | icfconsulting.com -Original Message- From: Phill B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:47 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced I clicked on this link http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/experience/ and upgraded firefox to the flash player 8. Now Flash doesn't work at all in firefox. F'ing great. Anyone else have this problem? NOTICE: This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of this e-mail by you is prohibited. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214016 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Studio 8 announced (flash player 8 in firefox)
On Monday 08 August 2005 15:47, Phill B wrote: I clicked on this link http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/experience/ and upgraded firefox to the flash player 8. Now Flash doesn't work at all in firefox. F'ing great. Anyone else have this problem? What O/S ? In what way doesn't it work ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:214017 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
