Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What?!? And Mary Jo likes their customer service? That seals the >> deal! > > LOL, nice to know my recommendation means so much! ;-) Well, yeah. :-) I've heard about the support for your stuff, from others, and I know your personal beliefs regarding support, from the side of the supporter and the supported, so it's not just because I like you, ya know? =] >> It'll hook some new blood, and, well, you know... mindshare is >> important. > > If you've read some of my posts in the past, you'll know I think it is > crucially important as well. We need young, fired-up coders (and users) to carry the standard, as it were. Seems like they're mostly all excited about open source languages. Linking up with JBoss is just one of those ideas that strikes me as synchronistic, if you will. It would be really great for the language, and those who use it. Seeing as how CF *is* Java based, and JRun's headed out... really, from several angles, it's a swell idea. Tactical, even. -Denny -- Success usually comes to those who are too busy to be looking for it. ~Henry David Thoreau ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:307057 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss
They (Railo/jBoss) had been in talks for the past 18 months, so it's nothing to do with OpenBD. Andy 2008/6/5 Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>Railo announced today that they are joining JBoss.org and going Open Source. >> >>The license will be LGPL2. More information is available on jboss.org >> >>:) > > Very interesting, especially with the integration with messaging and JBoss > caching. I wonder if this has any anything to do with open BlueDragon's > release? > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:307053 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss
2008/6/7 Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I also take issue with the quote of "has to go open source" which implies > that is the only way for these alternative engines to survive and that is > simply not true. Both companies came to a conclusion that Open source is a > viable business solution and are taking that step. It is an awesome step and > should be encouraging, maybe some folks and blow life into Smith Project, or > maybe Smith can merge with one of the big 2? This is a great annoucement, > and for the first time ever there are now more open source CFML engines than > closed source CFML engines. Pretty freaking sweet. I think it's great news for the CFML community in general, that one of the engines will be so readily available. However I disagree on the comments about Smith; it's more likely to me that Smith would cease to exist. Its primary reason for existing was the fact it's open source, but it was always the least-compatible 'alternative' engine and possibly the slowest to develop. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:307021 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss
Mark would know more but I just want to echo his sentiment. For something like this to get put together it takes a while. That being said its still what 6-8 months out? So there is a lot of time for more announcements/changes (not FUD this is meant to be a positive statement). I also take issue with the quote of "has to go open source" which implies that is the only way for these alternative engines to survive and that is simply not true. Both companies came to a conclusion that Open source is a viable business solution and are taking that step. It is an awesome step and should be encouraging, maybe some folks and blow life into Smith Project, or maybe Smith can merge with one of the big 2? This is a great annoucement, and for the first time ever there are now more open source CFML engines than closed source CFML engines. Pretty freaking sweet. Adam Haskell On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd say that's a strong certainty. Maybe they think that if BD has to go > open source, Railo won't have a chance? I'm pretty sure that the lead > developer for Railo is on this list...Gert I think is his name? > > -Original Message- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:42 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss > > >Railo announced today that they are joining JBoss.org and going Open > Source. > > > >The license will be LGPL2. More information is available on jboss.org > > > >:) > > Very interesting, especially with the integration with messaging and JBoss > caching. I wonder if this has any anything to do with open BlueDragon's > release? > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:307018 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss
> What?!? And Mary Jo likes their customer service? That seals the > deal! LOL, nice to know my recommendation means so much! ;-) > It'll hook some new blood, and, well, you know... mindshare is > important. If you've read some of my posts in the past, you'll know I think it is crucially important as well. > I'm genuinely excited to see where this leads, and the possibilities > it, um, makes possible. Yup, I'm excited too. I loved Railo the first time I read about it, and the more i looked into it and used it, the more impressed I was. I'm really glad now that I put in the work to make sure my product ran on it, and I recently felt confident enough to put a customer on their own VPS running Railo (on top of Resin). Working more with it also has allowed me to give feedback on things that could be tweaked to make it easier for other CF applications to run on it with minimal compatibility issues, and I look forward to having more people trying it out as that just means they'll be able to really make it a good, solid, well-tested product. I was really impressed by how quick they would get out an update that fixed a compatibility problem versus having to wait for the next major release months or years down the road. They really seem to be committed to making it easy to use, lightning fast, and with some really great features that the other engines don't offer. Maybe it's because I am a small-time, independent developer myself that I love someone that goes out and takes on the big boys...and produces something really great. --- Mary Jo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:307016 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss
What?!? And Mary Jo likes their customer service? That seals the deal! I'd say it takes CF to the next level, and all us CF devs with 'it. If we play our cards right, this can be very lucrative for everyone. Commercial/product based, and open source/service based. It'll hook some new blood, and, well, you know... mindshare is important. This is a smart move that keeps CF fresh and whatnot... which is really good for anyone involved in CF in any respect. JBoss had been impressing the heck out of me, anyways. And they're working on stuff that will deploy "anywhere", as well, which just-- well, all these paths are converging, and it's quite pleasant to see ColdFusion getting in there. Maybe I won't have to push my other skills as much in the future. LOL. Makes what I've already invested in worth more, and who doesn't like being worth more? Heh. I'm genuinely excited to see where this leads, and the possibilities it, um, makes possible. -- don't let money change ya / la dee da dee da da On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: >>Hot freaking damn! I agree! >> >>And what a savvy move! Props, Gert! > > Yup, really exciting move! I have to say as well, that working with the folks > at Railo to make sure their server properly ran my application (and vice > versa) they are really great people to work with, and get issues corrected in > record time. I've really become a fan of their product and look forward to > seeing where this takes them. > > --- Mary Jo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:307006 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss
>Hot freaking damn! I agree! > >And what a savvy move! Props, Gert! Yup, really exciting move! I have to say as well, that working with the folks at Railo to make sure their server properly ran my application (and vice versa) they are really great people to work with, and get issues corrected in record time. I've really become a fan of their product and look forward to seeing where this takes them. --- Mary Jo ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306995 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss
Hot freaking damn! I agree! And what a savvy move! Props, Gert! Yipii!, -den On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Gerald Guido <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The LGPL2 license is much more attractive than a straight GPL license. I am > really not up on the nuances of OS licenses but from what I understand you > can package an app with the Railo runtime and not have to release the code > of your app as OS. The GPL license for Open BD was a deal breaker for us. > > Having a cf runtime rolled into a major java app server like JBoss is > awesome. Railo's cf offering is very impressive. The thought of getting the > JBoss developer community getting behind a cf runtime makes me giddy. > > God I love CF. > > "There is no better time to be a CF developer." > > Indeed > > G$ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306993 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss
The LGPL2 license is much more attractive than a straight GPL license. I am really not up on the nuances of OS licenses but from what I understand you can package an app with the Railo runtime and not have to release the code of your app as OS. The GPL license for Open BD was a deal breaker for us. Having a cf runtime rolled into a major java app server like JBoss is awesome. Railo's cf offering is very impressive. The thought of getting the JBoss developer community getting behind a cf runtime makes me giddy. God I love CF. "There is no better time to be a CF developer." Indeed G$ On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Peter Boughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Railo announced today that they are joining JBoss.org and going Open > Source. > > The license will be LGPL2. More information is available on jboss.org > > :) > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306939 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss
I think (and know) you are wrong. Do you think it takes a week for a company like Railo to turn open source with someone like Red Hat? Two weeks? ok.. a month? Its a big business decision, that was taken before BD even announced their intentions. Gert Franz is the guy that runs Railo. MD On 5 Jun 2008, at 21:24, Andy Matthews wrote: > I'd say that's a strong certainty. Maybe they think that if BD has > to go > open source, Railo won't have a chance? I'm pretty sure that the lead > developer for Railo is on this list...Gert I think is his name? > > -Original Message- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:42 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss > >> Railo announced today that they are joining JBoss.org and going Open > Source. >> >> The license will be LGPL2. More information is available on jboss.org >> >> :) > > Very interesting, especially with the integration with messaging and > JBoss > caching. I wonder if this has any anything to do with open > BlueDragon's > release? > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306936 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss
Adam Lehman (Adobe) has a great blog entry http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/breaking-railo-partners-with-jbossorg-to-open-source-cfml On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:24 AM, Andy Matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd say that's a strong certainty. Maybe they think that if BD has to go > open source, Railo won't have a chance? I'm pretty sure that the lead > developer for Railo is on this list...Gert I think is his name? > > -Original Message- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:42 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss > > >Railo announced today that they are joining JBoss.org and going Open > Source. > > > >The license will be LGPL2. More information is available on jboss.org > > > >:) > > Very interesting, especially with the integration with messaging and JBoss > caching. I wonder if this has any anything to do with open BlueDragon's > release? > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306935 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss
I'd say that's a strong certainty. Maybe they think that if BD has to go open source, Railo won't have a chance? I'm pretty sure that the lead developer for Railo is on this list...Gert I think is his name? -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:42 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss >Railo announced today that they are joining JBoss.org and going Open Source. > >The license will be LGPL2. More information is available on jboss.org > >:) Very interesting, especially with the integration with messaging and JBoss caching. I wonder if this has any anything to do with open BlueDragon's release? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306932 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss
>Railo announced today that they are joining JBoss.org and going Open Source. > >The license will be LGPL2. More information is available on jboss.org > >:) Very interesting, especially with the integration with messaging and JBoss caching. I wonder if this has any anything to do with open BlueDragon's release? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306929 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss
Now with cfvideo and cfvideoplayer No really. http://www.railo-technologies.com/en/index.cfm?treeID=354 On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Peter Boughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Railo announced today that they are joining JBoss.org and going Open > Source. > > The license will be LGPL2. More information is available on jboss.org > > :) > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306927 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Railo 3 -> Open Source with JBoss
Railo announced today that they are joining JBoss.org and going Open Source. The license will be LGPL2. More information is available on jboss.org :) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306925 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
