Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Dawn Sekel]

Just FYI - I highly recommend using Google Analytics to track who is visiting 
your site.  It is a free tool and not only tells you where people are visiting 
your site from, it also lets you know what kinds of browers they are using, 
whether they are using mobile devices, if their browsers are javascript enabled 
and what versions of Flash they have installed. 

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Scott Brady]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:

>
> Apple has thrown their chips in and laid a bet firmly on one side.
> Thus far the other big boys have yet to place their bets.


A few more "demos" of Flash on Android like they had recently and the other
big guys might be on the same side as Apple.

http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/may/08/android-flash-demo-flashcamp-seattle/

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Jochem van Dieten]

On 5/11/10, Judah McAuley wrote:
> Out of curiosity, Jochem, which Archos are you guys using for demos?
> The Win7-based Archos 9? Or the Android based Archos 7 & 8?

Something Windows based, I don't know the exact model.

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Judah McAuley]

Out of curiosity, Jochem, which Archos are you guys using for demos?
The Win7-based Archos 9? Or the Android based Archos 7 & 8?

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Jochem van Dieten  wrote:
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:54 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>> I wouldn't be quite so quick on the pronouncement that most of tablet
>> platforms will support Flash, at least in the short term. Besides the
>> iPad, there isn't a shipping tablet that has any serious market
>> penetration. Archos has one out there, but it doesn't run Flash.
>
> That is a rather US-centric view. We use an Archos to demo Flash and
> AIR to clients. It has been shipping in the Netherlands for months.
> The iPad won't be shipping for months in the Netherlands.
>
> Jochem
>
>
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>
> 

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Judah McAuley]

That is certainly possible. I'm familiar with them mostly as component
vendors, particularly motherboards. My market is US-based medical
offices which is a large market but is also very particular, so it is
certainly possible that I'm missing nuance that would make these
options a lot more attractive to people elsewhere in the world.

Cheers,
Judah

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:29 AM, James Holmes  wrote:
>
> I suspect Asus are better known outside the US too. Certainly in the
> Asia-Pacific region they are everywhere. I'm likewise still waiting for the
> opportunity to ignore the iPad in Australia.
>
> mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles:
> http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Judah McAuley]

Thanks Jochem, I didn't think the Archos ran Flash for some reason.
I'll have to take a look at them again as one of my concerns is that
there may be some resistance to bringing an Apple device into an
otherwise all MS ecosystem since my products are for medical offices
and they are all quite MS Windows centered (at least in the US).
Having a Win 7-based option could be very useful.

Judah

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Jochem van Dieten  wrote:
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:54 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>> I wouldn't be quite so quick on the pronouncement that most of tablet
>> platforms will support Flash, at least in the short term. Besides the
>> iPad, there isn't a shipping tablet that has any serious market
>> penetration. Archos has one out there, but it doesn't run Flash.
>
> That is a rather US-centric view. We use an Archos to demo Flash and
> AIR to clients. It has been shipping in the Netherlands for months.
> The iPad won't be shipping for months in the Netherlands.
>
> Jochem

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Dawn Sekel]

Cool - thanks for the tip Rick.  I didn't think about jquery.  I found a really 
cool website after reading your post:

http://webdesignledger.com/tutorials/13-excellent-jquery-animation-techniques

I tested this site on my iPhone and it worked:

http://www.incg.nl/blog/2008/hover-block-jquery/example/animate_hover.html

I'm testing some of them now on the iPAD to see what happens.  

:-) Dawn

>Hi, Mark...
>
>Have you looked into using jQuery or another javascript library
>for something like this?  I don't think it would be very difficult
>to code in jQuery.
>
>I've got a real estate agent I'm building a site for and she wants
>the typical Flash-based virtual tours, but I'm going to try to emulate
>the Flash with jQuery.  That will involve using photos like in the
>top of Utah.gov at the very least.
>
>Rick
>
>
>Dawn,
>
>We have a project like this pending. I would be interested in anything
>resources you uncover - thanks :)
>
>Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG
>(402) 408-3733 ext 105
>www.cfwebtools.com
>www.coldfusionmuse.com
>www.necfug.com
>
>
>I have looked into HTML5 -- but I can't find any references for how you
>would do things like gotoAndPlay() like you can in Flash.  The site I have
>been developing has very similar banner to that of www.UTAH.gov.  When you
>click the menu at the top, a text menu overlays the image.  And when you
>point at things in the banner, hints display.  Our users are mostly Law
>Enforcement and many use iPhones.  A lot of them are also Apple users for
>some reason.  I found some code that I'm testing to detect the iPad on the
>site that seems to work well.  Currently if you go to my beta site with the
>iPhone it shows everything but the .swf files.  If you go to it with the
>iPAD - it just says "ERROR" and doesn't display anything. 

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[James Holmes]

I suspect Asus are better known outside the US too. Certainly in the
Asia-Pacific region they are everywhere. I'm likewise still waiting for the
opportunity to ignore the iPad in Australia.

mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles:
http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/


On 11 May 2010 15:11, Jochem van Dieten  wrote:

>
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:54 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> > I wouldn't be quite so quick on the pronouncement that most of tablet
> > platforms will support Flash, at least in the short term. Besides the
> > iPad, there isn't a shipping tablet that has any serious market
> > penetration. Archos has one out there, but it doesn't run Flash.
>
> That is a rather US-centric view. We use an Archos to demo Flash and
> AIR to clients. It has been shipping in the Netherlands for months.
> The iPad won't be shipping for months in the Netherlands.
>
> Jochem
>
>
>


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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Jochem van Dieten]

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:54 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
> I wouldn't be quite so quick on the pronouncement that most of tablet
> platforms will support Flash, at least in the short term. Besides the
> iPad, there isn't a shipping tablet that has any serious market
> penetration. Archos has one out there, but it doesn't run Flash.

That is a rather US-centric view. We use an Archos to demo Flash and
AIR to clients. It has been shipping in the Netherlands for months.
The iPad won't be shipping for months in the Netherlands.

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Judah McAuley]

I have seen the AsusTek before and that was why I said "no vendor of
note". The AsusTek isn't bad but it is also true that most people have
never heard of them either. I'm not terribly keen on that solution
because it runs a smaller screen dimension (width and height) while
being over twice as thick and 40% heavier than the iPad. With the
inclusion of a keyboard, it is more of a touch-capable netbook than a
tablet. If they made the keyboard detachable and connect over
bluetooth, they might be able to ditch some of the weight and
thickness and come up with a nicer competitor. I think that the worst
comparison point between the two, however, is the battery life. They
quote 5 hours for the AsusTek machine. I haven't seen any independent
battery life tests, but I've never seen a Windows device that matched
the battery specs in the real world. Normally, everyone lies about
battery life. The iPad is the first exception I think I've seen, where
they quote it at 10 hours and it actually seems to do better than
that.

This form factor is still definitely a work in progress. It remains to
be seen if people are going to use it like a consumer entertainment
device like Apple seems to be favoring or a light-weight computer,
which netbook makers and people like AsusTek are pushing. If it is the
former, battery life, lack of complicated dongles, a slim smooth form
factor and simple interface will probably win out. If it is the later,
keyboards, general productivity applications, user upgradeable
features and business ecosystem compatibility will probably win out.

Apple has thrown their chips in and laid a bet firmly on one side.
Thus far the other big boys have yet to place their bets. I don't
think that anyone has won or lost *yet* but for companies like Adobe,
Microsoft, HP, Dell and Google, the lead that Apple is gaining works
against them as Apple doesn't show signs of stumbling on their own.
But then again, I didn't think that the iPad would be much of a big
deal, so what do I know? :)

Judah

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:56 PM, James Holmes  wrote:
>
> http://www.asus.com.au/product.aspx?P_ID=KIqtSJ1aVsmVpeqS
>
> Cheaper than the iPad, supports multi-touch on Win7. The keyboard is a good
> thing and you can get rid of it when you don't need it.
>
> mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles:
> http://www.bifrost.com.au/blog/

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[James Holmes]

http://www.asus.com.au/product.aspx?P_ID=KIqtSJ1aVsmVpeqS

Cheaper than the iPad, supports multi-touch on Win7. The keyboard is a good
thing and you can get rid of it when you don't need it.

mxAjax / CFAjax docs and other useful articles:
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On 6 May 2010 13:12, Judah McAuley  wrote:

>
> Yes, Flash is running on Android and I think that is an excellent
> thing. My point was that no vendor of any note has set a release date
> for a tablet running Android or Win7. Microsoft has canceled the
> Courier project. HP has reportedly canceled Slate. Dell has reportedly
> got a 7-inch tablet (which is an odd size) that will run Android but
> no announced release date. Google devices are pure speculation at this
> point.
>
> Flash is finding a home on the Android handset market and that is
> awesome. There are some HTC handsets and I'm sure more will arrive.
> Win 7 phone isn't due out until the end of the year and it isn't clear
> that Flash will run on it, especially since MS has made the decision
> to go back to an iphone 2-like OS (like removing multitasking). That
> means that Flash will make some inroads in the smart phone market with
> Android, which is great since I like Android.
>
> I'm not sure you can make any sort of reasonable claims about the
> tablet market though. The plain truth is that there is no pipeline of
> tablets from respected vendors that will run Flash. If HP redesigns
> the Slate to run WebOS (does that run Flash? I don't think it does but
> I'm not sure), who is going to challenge Apple this year? Apple has
> already sold 1 million iPads. They are releasing a new version of the
> OS in June. I'm thinking that the market will see several million
> iPads in production and probably on a second generation of hardware
> before a serious competitor comes to market. That's a big hole to dig
> out of.
>
> I'd love to be wrong. I like Apple ok but I prefer Android and I
> prefer the ecosystem around it. But as of today, we're working on a
> business app for the iPad because we can't wait a year for something
> else to get announced, get out and get stable. I wish we could use
> Flex and install our own app on Android devices we sell but we're
> stuck with Objective-C and Apple's app distribution (which irritates
> me to no end) because that's what the market is.
>
> Cheers,
> Judah
>
> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Brian Kotek  wrote:
> >
> > Exactly, the Android and Win7 tablets are what I'm talking about. And
> since
> > those are the only 2 other major tablet platforms that I've heard of, and
> > since those two platforms are going to be used by most of the
> > iPad competitors, I still feel fine saying most of the tablets will run
> > Flash and AIR.
> >
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/external/venturebeat/2010/05/05/05venturebeat-adobe-demonstrates-flash-and-air-on-android-42419.html
> >
> > <
> http://www.nytimes.com/external/venturebeat/2010/05/05/05venturebeat-adobe-demonstrates-flash-and-air-on-android-42419.html
> >
> >
> http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100505-723039.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines
> >
> > They're slated to be available later this year. There are numerous phones
> > that already run Flash Lite and Flash 10.1 is also coming to mobile
> devices
> > later this year:
> >
> >
> http://moconews.net/article/419-adobe-flash-10.1-coming-to-phones-in-first-half-250-million-by-2012/
> >
> > Apple will indeed have a head start, but only of a few months as opposed
> to
> > the multi-year time spans it took for anyone to come close to the iPod or
> > the iPhone. The point is that this is coming soon, and it is going to run
> on
> > a huge number of devices.
>
> 

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[denstar]

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Sean Corfield wrote:
>
> Good to see a voice of reason in this debate. Thanx Judah!
>
> Macromedia was talking about the mobile market for years, Adobe has
> talked about the mobile market for a few years too. We might finally
> be seeing a deliverable with Flash Player 10.1 (and that's great). The
> reality is that a lot of the mobile / tablet market thinks Flash is
> irrelevant at this point. The gamble is whether Adobe can make Flash
> relevant in this market or whether Apple's head start will making it a
> losing strategy.
>
> It's a very heated debate - and people on both sides are very
> passionate about it, hoping their side "wins". I have sympathies with
> both parties. Frankly tho', I'm tired of it all and I wish everyone
> would just shut up, sit down and wait and see how this pans out :)

I think we're starting to see it pan out.  Apple is generating a lot
of ill will.

The iPod is a fun analogy, but I don't think it's the best fitting.

Google seems serious.  And they're too big to fail.  To turn a phrase. =)

I still think it's funny that *phones* are what seems to be bringing
PDAs to the fore.

Go figure.  :)

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Sean Corfield]

Good to see a voice of reason in this debate. Thanx Judah!

Macromedia was talking about the mobile market for years, Adobe has
talked about the mobile market for a few years too. We might finally
be seeing a deliverable with Flash Player 10.1 (and that's great). The
reality is that a lot of the mobile / tablet market thinks Flash is
irrelevant at this point. The gamble is whether Adobe can make Flash
relevant in this market or whether Apple's head start will making it a
losing strategy.

It's a very heated debate - and people on both sides are very
passionate about it, hoping their side "wins". I have sympathies with
both parties. Frankly tho', I'm tired of it all and I wish everyone
would just shut up, sit down and wait and see how this pans out :)

Sean

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Judah McAuley  wrote:
>
> Yes, Flash is running on Android and I think that is an excellent
> thing. My point was that no vendor of any note has set a release date
> for a tablet running Android or Win7. Microsoft has canceled the
> Courier project. HP has reportedly canceled Slate. Dell has reportedly
> got a 7-inch tablet (which is an odd size) that will run Android but
> no announced release date. Google devices are pure speculation at this
> point.
>
> Flash is finding a home on the Android handset market and that is
> awesome. There are some HTC handsets and I'm sure more will arrive.
> Win 7 phone isn't due out until the end of the year and it isn't clear
> that Flash will run on it, especially since MS has made the decision
> to go back to an iphone 2-like OS (like removing multitasking). That
> means that Flash will make some inroads in the smart phone market with
> Android, which is great since I like Android.
>
> I'm not sure you can make any sort of reasonable claims about the
> tablet market though. The plain truth is that there is no pipeline of
> tablets from respected vendors that will run Flash. If HP redesigns
> the Slate to run WebOS (does that run Flash? I don't think it does but
> I'm not sure), who is going to challenge Apple this year? Apple has
> already sold 1 million iPads. They are releasing a new version of the
> OS in June. I'm thinking that the market will see several million
> iPads in production and probably on a second generation of hardware
> before a serious competitor comes to market. That's a big hole to dig
> out of.
>
> I'd love to be wrong. I like Apple ok but I prefer Android and I
> prefer the ecosystem around it. But as of today, we're working on a
> business app for the iPad because we can't wait a year for something
> else to get announced, get out and get stable. I wish we could use
> Flex and install our own app on Android devices we sell but we're
> stuck with Objective-C and Apple's app distribution (which irritates
> me to no end) because that's what the market is.
>
> Cheers,
> Judah

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Judah McAuley]

Yes, Flash is running on Android and I think that is an excellent
thing. My point was that no vendor of any note has set a release date
for a tablet running Android or Win7. Microsoft has canceled the
Courier project. HP has reportedly canceled Slate. Dell has reportedly
got a 7-inch tablet (which is an odd size) that will run Android but
no announced release date. Google devices are pure speculation at this
point.

Flash is finding a home on the Android handset market and that is
awesome. There are some HTC handsets and I'm sure more will arrive.
Win 7 phone isn't due out until the end of the year and it isn't clear
that Flash will run on it, especially since MS has made the decision
to go back to an iphone 2-like OS (like removing multitasking). That
means that Flash will make some inroads in the smart phone market with
Android, which is great since I like Android.

I'm not sure you can make any sort of reasonable claims about the
tablet market though. The plain truth is that there is no pipeline of
tablets from respected vendors that will run Flash. If HP redesigns
the Slate to run WebOS (does that run Flash? I don't think it does but
I'm not sure), who is going to challenge Apple this year? Apple has
already sold 1 million iPads. They are releasing a new version of the
OS in June. I'm thinking that the market will see several million
iPads in production and probably on a second generation of hardware
before a serious competitor comes to market. That's a big hole to dig
out of.

I'd love to be wrong. I like Apple ok but I prefer Android and I
prefer the ecosystem around it. But as of today, we're working on a
business app for the iPad because we can't wait a year for something
else to get announced, get out and get stable. I wish we could use
Flex and install our own app on Android devices we sell but we're
stuck with Objective-C and Apple's app distribution (which irritates
me to no end) because that's what the market is.

Cheers,
Judah

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Brian Kotek  wrote:
>
> Exactly, the Android and Win7 tablets are what I'm talking about. And since
> those are the only 2 other major tablet platforms that I've heard of, and
> since those two platforms are going to be used by most of the
> iPad competitors, I still feel fine saying most of the tablets will run
> Flash and AIR.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/external/venturebeat/2010/05/05/05venturebeat-adobe-demonstrates-flash-and-air-on-android-42419.html
>
> 
> http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100505-723039.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines
>
> They're slated to be available later this year. There are numerous phones
> that already run Flash Lite and Flash 10.1 is also coming to mobile devices
> later this year:
>
> http://moconews.net/article/419-adobe-flash-10.1-coming-to-phones-in-first-half-250-million-by-2012/
>
> Apple will indeed have a head start, but only of a few months as opposed to
> the multi-year time spans it took for anyone to come close to the iPod or
> the iPhone. The point is that this is coming soon, and it is going to run on
> a huge number of devices.

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Arsalan Tariq Keen]

Sorry... wrong email!

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Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 9:28 AM
To: "cf-talk" 
Subject: Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

>
> (Y) Great!!
> :)
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Arsalan
>
> --
> From: "Rick Faircloth" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 2:25 AM
> To: "cf-talk" 
> Subject: RE: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?
>
>>
>> Hi, Mark...
>>
>> Have you looked into using jQuery or another javascript library
>> for something like this?  I don't think it would be very difficult
>> to code in jQuery.
>>
>> I've got a real estate agent I'm building a site for and she wants
>> the typical Flash-based virtual tours, but I'm going to try to emulate
>> the Flash with jQuery.  That will involve using photos like in the
>> top of Utah.gov at the very least.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: Mark A. Kruger [mailto:mkru...@cfwebtools.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 4:04 PM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: RE: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?
>>
>>
>> Dawn,
>>
>> We have a project like this pending. I would be interested in anything
>> resources you uncover - thanks :)
>>
>> Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG
>> (402) 408-3733 ext 105
>> www.cfwebtools.com
>> www.coldfusionmuse.com
>> www.necfug.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dawn Sekel [mailto:dawnt...@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:23 PM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?
>>
>>
>> I have looked into HTML5 -- but I can't find any references for how you
>> would do things like gotoAndPlay() like you can in Flash.  The site I 
>> have
>> been developing has very similar banner to that of www.UTAH.gov.  When 
>> you
>> click the menu at the top, a text menu overlays the image.  And when you
>> point at things in the banner, hints display.  Our users are mostly Law
>> Enforcement and many use iPhones.  A lot of them are also Apple users for
>> some reason.  I found some code that I'm testing to detect the iPad on 
>> the
>> site that seems to work well.  Currently if you go to my beta site with
>> the
>> iPhone it shows everything but the .swf files.  If you go to it with the
>> iPAD - it just says "ERROR" and doesn't display anything.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Arsalan Tariq Keen]

(Y) Great!!
:)



Regards,
Arsalan

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From: "Rick Faircloth" 
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 2:25 AM
To: "cf-talk" 
Subject: RE: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

>
> Hi, Mark...
>
> Have you looked into using jQuery or another javascript library
> for something like this?  I don't think it would be very difficult
> to code in jQuery.
>
> I've got a real estate agent I'm building a site for and she wants
> the typical Flash-based virtual tours, but I'm going to try to emulate
> the Flash with jQuery.  That will involve using photos like in the
> top of Utah.gov at the very least.
>
> Rick
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark A. Kruger [mailto:mkru...@cfwebtools.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 4:04 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: RE: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?
>
>
> Dawn,
>
> We have a project like this pending. I would be interested in anything
> resources you uncover - thanks :)
>
> Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG
> (402) 408-3733 ext 105
> www.cfwebtools.com
> www.coldfusionmuse.com
> www.necfug.com
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Dawn Sekel [mailto:dawnt...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:23 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?
>
>
> I have looked into HTML5 -- but I can't find any references for how you
> would do things like gotoAndPlay() like you can in Flash.  The site I have
> been developing has very similar banner to that of www.UTAH.gov.  When you
> click the menu at the top, a text menu overlays the image.  And when you
> point at things in the banner, hints display.  Our users are mostly Law
> Enforcement and many use iPhones.  A lot of them are also Apple users for
> some reason.  I found some code that I'm testing to detect the iPad on the
> site that seems to work well.  Currently if you go to my beta site with 
> the
> iPhone it shows everything but the .swf files.  If you go to it with the
> iPAD - it just says "ERROR" and doesn't display anything.
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Brian Kotek]

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Judah McAuley  wrote:

>
> I wouldn't be quite so quick on the pronouncement that most of tablet
> platforms will support Flash, at least in the short term. Besides the
> iPad, there isn't a shipping tablet that has any serious market
> penetration. Archos has one out there, but it doesn't run Flash. Dell
> is planning a weirdly form factored 7-inch based on Android, but there
> is no release date. HP was planning the Slate to ship with Win 7, but
> since their acquisition of Palm and their WebOS, the Slate has
> supposedly been shelved.  Microsoft officially abandoned their tablet
> offering. There have been some rumors about Google offering one, ala
> the Nexus One, with theories about it running either Android or Chrome
> OS, but there are no announcements.
>
> At this point, Flash basically doesn't run on any shipping or
> announced tablet in the same form factor as the iPad (HP and Lenova
> call some of their laptops tablets, but they all have keyboards and
> are heavier and much more expensive than the iPad). We'll probably see
> something based on the Android platform as it ramps up Flash 10.1
> support, but it isn't clear who will offer it. Most likely Dell. There
> are not any Win 7-based tablets hitting the market soon afaik.


> With HP reportedly cancelling their Slate/Win7 project, it looks like
> Apple has the tablet market locked up for at least the next 6 months.
> We'll see what happens after that, but we saw what happened when Apple
> got the lead in the portable mp3 player market. Zune still sells but
> the iPod still rules the roost years later.
>

Exactly, the Android and Win7 tablets are what I'm talking about. And since
those are the only 2 other major tablet platforms that I've heard of, and
since those two platforms are going to be used by most of the
iPad competitors, I still feel fine saying most of the tablets will run
Flash and AIR.

http://www.nytimes.com/external/venturebeat/2010/05/05/05venturebeat-adobe-demonstrates-flash-and-air-on-android-42419.html


http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100505-723039.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines

They're slated to be available later this year. There are numerous phones
that already run Flash Lite and Flash 10.1 is also coming to mobile devices
later this year:

http://moconews.net/article/419-adobe-flash-10.1-coming-to-phones-in-first-half-250-million-by-2012/

Apple will indeed have a head start, but only of a few months as opposed to
the multi-year time spans it took for anyone to come close to the iPod or
the iPhone. The point is that this is coming soon, and it is going to run on
a huge number of devices.


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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Judah McAuley]

I wouldn't be quite so quick on the pronouncement that most of tablet
platforms will support Flash, at least in the short term. Besides the
iPad, there isn't a shipping tablet that has any serious market
penetration. Archos has one out there, but it doesn't run Flash. Dell
is planning a weirdly form factored 7-inch based on Android, but there
is no release date. HP was planning the Slate to ship with Win 7, but
since their acquisition of Palm and their WebOS, the Slate has
supposedly been shelved.  Microsoft officially abandoned their tablet
offering. There have been some rumors about Google offering one, ala
the Nexus One, with theories about it running either Android or Chrome
OS, but there are no announcements.

At this point, Flash basically doesn't run on any shipping or
announced tablet in the same form factor as the iPad (HP and Lenova
call some of their laptops tablets, but they all have keyboards and
are heavier and much more expensive than the iPad). We'll probably see
something based on the Android platform as it ramps up Flash 10.1
support, but it isn't clear who will offer it. Most likely Dell. There
are not any Win 7-based tablets hitting the market soon afaik.

With HP reportedly cancelling their Slate/Win7 project, it looks like
Apple has the tablet market locked up for at least the next 6 months.
We'll see what happens after that, but we saw what happened when Apple
got the lead in the portable mp3 player market. Zune still sells but
the iPod still rules the roost years later.

Judah

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Brian Kotek  wrote:
>
> Also, given that most other phone/tablet platforms WILL be supporting Flash,
> I'd say Dawn might go back to management and point out they're talking about
> rebuilding something JUST because the iPad won't support Flash. It may be
> possible to convince them that this might be a knee-jerk reaction.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:
>
>>
>> > It was a dig at Brad's attempt to derail the discussion into the tired
>> > old Adobe vs Apple debate that everyone seems to enjoy having at the
>> > moment. In other words, it was intended to highlight that Brad's
>> > sarcastic comment wasn't useful to the original poster...
>>
>> Well, the only problem with that is that his comment was at least
>> tangentially useful - it describes the current state of affairs. HTML
>> 5 is not currently a reliable substitute for Flash in many ways, and
>> won't be for some time to come. I just read today that MS is dragging
>> their feet on adding CANVAS to IE 9!
>>
>>
>> http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/05/microsoft_ie9_and_canvasn/
>>
>> And without that standard in place, we can't realistically expect
>> Adobe to build toolsets to let Flash developers output to non-Flash
>> formats, as some people have suggested. So, the original poster is on
>> her own, and has to rewrite the functionality from scratch.
>>
>> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>> http://www.figleaf.com/
>> http://training.figleaf.com/
>>
>> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
>> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
>> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Brian Kotek]

Also, given that most other phone/tablet platforms WILL be supporting Flash,
I'd say Dawn might go back to management and point out they're talking about
rebuilding something JUST because the iPad won't support Flash. It may be
possible to convince them that this might be a knee-jerk reaction.

Brian


On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:

>
> > It was a dig at Brad's attempt to derail the discussion into the tired
> > old Adobe vs Apple debate that everyone seems to enjoy having at the
> > moment. In other words, it was intended to highlight that Brad's
> > sarcastic comment wasn't useful to the original poster...
>
> Well, the only problem with that is that his comment was at least
> tangentially useful - it describes the current state of affairs. HTML
> 5 is not currently a reliable substitute for Flash in many ways, and
> won't be for some time to come. I just read today that MS is dragging
> their feet on adding CANVAS to IE 9!
>
>
> http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/05/microsoft_ie9_and_canvasn/
>
> And without that standard in place, we can't realistically expect
> Adobe to build toolsets to let Flash developers output to non-Flash
> formats, as some people have suggested. So, the original poster is on
> her own, and has to rewrite the functionality from scratch.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> http://training.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
> GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite.
>
> 

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Dave Watts]

> It was a dig at Brad's attempt to derail the discussion into the tired
> old Adobe vs Apple debate that everyone seems to enjoy having at the
> moment. In other words, it was intended to highlight that Brad's
> sarcastic comment wasn't useful to the original poster...

Well, the only problem with that is that his comment was at least
tangentially useful - it describes the current state of affairs. HTML
5 is not currently a reliable substitute for Flash in many ways, and
won't be for some time to come. I just read today that MS is dragging
their feet on adding CANVAS to IE 9!

http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/05/microsoft_ie9_and_canvasn/

And without that standard in place, we can't realistically expect
Adobe to build toolsets to let Flash developers output to non-Flash
formats, as some people have suggested. So, the original poster is on
her own, and has to rewrite the functionality from scratch.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/

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GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Sean Corfield]

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Dave Watts  wrote:
> What's the relevance of that to the original poster's problem, though?

It was a dig at Brad's attempt to derail the discussion into the tired
old Adobe vs Apple debate that everyone seems to enjoy having at the
moment. In other words, it was intended to highlight that Brad's
sarcastic comment wasn't useful to the original poster...

As others have suggested, I'd go with an investigation of jQuery and
HTML as a possible solution - for the specific use cases that Dawn
needs to address. One of the issues with touch screens is that mouse
over / hover just don't work the same way so something designed based
on that feature simply isn't going to fly as-is on a touch device.
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RE: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Rick Faircloth]

Hi, Mark...

Have you looked into using jQuery or another javascript library
for something like this?  I don't think it would be very difficult
to code in jQuery.

I've got a real estate agent I'm building a site for and she wants
the typical Flash-based virtual tours, but I'm going to try to emulate
the Flash with jQuery.  That will involve using photos like in the
top of Utah.gov at the very least.

Rick


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From: Mark A. Kruger [mailto:mkru...@cfwebtools.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 4:04 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?


Dawn,

We have a project like this pending. I would be interested in anything
resources you uncover - thanks :)

Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG
(402) 408-3733 ext 105
www.cfwebtools.com
www.coldfusionmuse.com
www.necfug.com


-Original Message-
From: Dawn Sekel [mailto:dawnt...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:23 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?


I have looked into HTML5 -- but I can't find any references for how you
would do things like gotoAndPlay() like you can in Flash.  The site I have
been developing has very similar banner to that of www.UTAH.gov.  When you
click the menu at the top, a text menu overlays the image.  And when you
point at things in the banner, hints display.  Our users are mostly Law
Enforcement and many use iPhones.  A lot of them are also Apple users for
some reason.  I found some code that I'm testing to detect the iPad on the
site that seems to work well.  Currently if you go to my beta site with the
iPhone it shows everything but the .swf files.  If you go to it with the
iPAD - it just says "ERROR" and doesn't display anything.   





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RE: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Mark A. Kruger]

Dawn,

We have a project like this pending. I would be interested in anything
resources you uncover - thanks :)

Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG
(402) 408-3733 ext 105
www.cfwebtools.com
www.coldfusionmuse.com
www.necfug.com


-Original Message-
From: Dawn Sekel [mailto:dawnt...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:23 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?


I have looked into HTML5 -- but I can't find any references for how you
would do things like gotoAndPlay() like you can in Flash.  The site I have
been developing has very similar banner to that of www.UTAH.gov.  When you
click the menu at the top, a text menu overlays the image.  And when you
point at things in the banner, hints display.  Our users are mostly Law
Enforcement and many use iPhones.  A lot of them are also Apple users for
some reason.  I found some code that I'm testing to detect the iPad on the
site that seems to work well.  Currently if you go to my beta site with the
iPhone it shows everything but the .swf files.  If you go to it with the
iPAD - it just says "ERROR" and doesn't display anything.   



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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Dawn Sekel]

I have looked into HTML5 -- but I can't find any references for how you would 
do things like gotoAndPlay() like you can in Flash.  The site I have been 
developing has very similar banner to that of www.UTAH.gov.  When you click the 
menu at the top, a text menu overlays the image.  And when you point at things 
in the banner, hints display.  Our users are mostly Law Enforcement and many 
use iPhones.  A lot of them are also Apple users for some reason.  I found some 
code that I'm testing to detect the iPad on the site that seems to work well.  
Currently if you go to my beta site with the iPhone it shows everything but the 
.swf files.  If you go to it with the iPAD - it just says "ERROR" and doesn't 
display anything.   

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Dave Watts]

> Hmm, I guess you missed the whole ECMAScript 3 / ECMAScript 4 debacle
> around ActionScript then?
>
> Here's a joke: What's the difference between an ActionScript
> programmer and an Objective-C programmer? The Objective-C programmer
> doesn't care that you program in ActionScript!

What's the relevance of that to the original poster's problem, though?
Setting aside which vendor isn't implementing which standard properly,
HTML 5 doesn't provide analogous functionality to FP 10, and if you're
waiting for HTML 5 to catch up, you will have some time on your hands.
The fact that Adobe's dragging their heels on ECMAScript compatibility
reinforces the argument that vendors don't implement standards quickly
enough or well enough, doesn't it?

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Jochem van Dieten]

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Sean Corfield wrote:
> Hmm, I guess you missed the whole ECMAScript 3 / ECMAScript 4 debacle
> around ActionScript then?

Which continues with ECMAScript 5 and ActionScript. ECMA may have
gotten back on track and had ECMAScript 5 ratified last year, but
Adobe is still not moving on ActionScript. They have held up certain
improvements for year with the excuse that ECMA needed to make a
decision, and now they are still not doing anything.

Jochem

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Sean Corfield]

Hmm, I guess you missed the whole ECMAScript 3 / ECMAScript 4 debacle
around ActionScript then?

Here's a joke: What's the difference between an ActionScript
programmer and an Objective-C programmer? The Objective-C programmer
doesn't care that you program in ActionScript!

(The original joke is "What's the difference between a non-tattoo'd
person and a tattoo'd person?..." but I think it applies in this
situation too :)

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Brad Wood  wrote:
> Have you looked into HTML 5?  I hear it does everything Flash does.  Your
> clients can wait another 5 years for the spec to be implemented, righ

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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Brad Wood]

Have you looked into HTML 5?  I hear it does everything Flash does.  Your 
clients can wait another 5 years for the spec to be implemented, right?



~Brad

> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Dawn Sekel  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi-I have several web templates that use Flash widgets for interactive
>> menus-the buttons are non-standard floating bubbles or have sound and
>> interactivity in them when the user mouses over them.  Now my boss said 
>> that
>> he wants to do away with them and go to something different because of 
>> the
>> Apple iPad debate.


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Re: Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Brian Kotek]

No, you'll have to rewrite it in HTML/JavaScript to run it from the browser
on the iPad, or rewrite it in Objective-C if you want it to run as a native
application.

Brian


On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Dawn Sekel  wrote:

>
> Hi-I have several web templates that use Flash widgets for interactive
> menus-the buttons are non-standard floating bubbles or have sound and
> interactivity in them when the user mouses over them.  Now my boss said that
> he wants to do away with them and go to something different because of the
> Apple iPad debate.  Is there any tool that anyone knows of that can take a
> Flash SWF and convert it another format that the iPad Safari browser will
> recognize and still retain the interactivity?
>
> 

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Substitute/conversion for Flash Interactive Menus for iPad?

[Dawn Sekel]

Hi-I have several web templates that use Flash widgets for interactive 
menus-the buttons are non-standard floating bubbles or have sound and 
interactivity in them when the user mouses over them.  Now my boss said that he 
wants to do away with them and go to something different because of the Apple 
iPad debate.  Is there any tool that anyone knows of that can take a Flash SWF 
and convert it another format that the iPad Safari browser will recognize and 
still retain the interactivity? 

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