[cfaussie] Wanted: junior css/html ninja
Hi All, If anyone knows a junior developer with strong skills in CSS and HTML, I'm looking for a contractor in Canberra for about 20 hours per week on-site. Coldfusion skills would be an advantage, but not required. Like I said, this is a junior position, so a current student, recent graduate or self-taught geek would be right for the job. Please ask them contact David Heacock at The ZOO Group, 02 6260 8777. Cheers --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Wanted: junior css/html ninja
Hi, you may care to post your job over at http://forums.australianinfront.com.au/Default.aspx which has lots of web developers, many just starting out. Cheers, David Heacock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/03/2008 11:42 pm Hi All, If anyone knows a junior developer with strong skills in CSS and HTML, I'm looking for a contractor in Canberra for about 20 hours per week on-site. Coldfusion skills would be an advantage, but not required. Like I said, this is a junior position, so a current student, recent graduate or self-taught geek would be right for the job. Please ask them contact David Heacock at The ZOO Group, 02 6260 8777. Cheers --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Wanted: junior css/html ninja
I think it depends on commercial experience. On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 2:06 AM, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whats the diff between a junior ninja and a mid level and a senior ninja? how are these ninja's classed if the junior has strong skills genuine question by the way. M@ -- Kay Smoljak business: www.cleverstarfish.com standards: kay.zombiecoder.com coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com personal: goatlady.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Wanted: junior css/html ninja
I've certainly seen people I'd class as 'Juniors' graduating from uni. As an employer I've seen kids come out of QUT's IT program having spent 3 years in the database stream and the only DB they've used is access, and the only programming they know how to do is through a wizard. If you go back to uni after working in the industry for a while, you'll be horrified at how little the kids know, and how wildly out of date/mickey mouse the course material often is. I've heard suggestions that they deliberately push older/mickey mouse tech because it's more widely used in small business which is where most Australians end up working - but as an employer - it's much harder then it should be to find a graduate who actually knows what they're talking about. Usually we end up spending as much time training recent grads as we do training an ex helpdesk monkey. Steve Onnis wrote: Is there such a thing as junior developers these days? I mean what sort of skill set does a uni student come out with these days and what unis still pump out web developers? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Heacock Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2008 11:42 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Wanted: junior css/html ninja Hi All, If anyone knows a junior developer with strong skills in CSS and HTML, I'm looking for a contractor in Canberra for about 20 hours per week on-site. Coldfusion skills would be an advantage, but not required. Like I said, this is a junior position, so a current student, recent graduate or self-taught geek would be right for the job. Please ask them contact David Heacock at The ZOO Group, 02 6260 8777. Cheers --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Query of query and TOP
Hi, Just wondering if there was an equivalent of top n that could be used in a query-of-query. When I used top 10, i received an error, so I used the maxrows attribute instead to restrict the values. just wondering if I have done the correct thing eg CFQUERY datasource=testdatasource_local name=TEST SELECT TOP 1000 * FROM test_table /CFQUERY cfquery name=test2 dbtype=QUERY maxrows=10 select * from TEST /cfquery Thanks, Scott Thornton, Programmer Billing Unit Hunter-New England Area Health Service ext: 24505 p: +61 02 4941 4505 m: 0413 800 242 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Wanted: junior css/html ninja
Your tiger style is good, but my dragon style is better, and will be victorious! Genuine answer btw ;o) On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 4:06 AM, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whats the diff between a junior ninja and a mid level and a senior ninja? how are these ninja's classed if the junior has strong skills genuine question by the way. M@ -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Wanted: junior css/html ninja
I'd have to somewhat agree with Sean here, although I'm not going to bag QUT or any other institution. it's worth remembering that there are two distinct streams of education past high schools - higher education (universities and colleges with degrees): judged by how well you performed - vocational training (TAFE and other VET institutions): competent/not yet competent. the two are reasonably different. as you can gather, vocational training is skills based, whereas higher education deals with some of the bigger picture or takes a larger holistic view. HOW verses WHY to put it bluntly. Universities specifically *don't* teach you how to do tasks - you should (in theory) be smart enough to pick that up yourself (which is where the role of the tutor - and tutorials generally - is so valuable) what's happened in IT/Computer (and by extention us here in the webby world) is a collision of these needs. I'd argue that if you just want a coder, looks at TAFE's (et al) and not universities. There are plenty or RTO's (registered training organisations) deliving the ICA05 training packages (some diplomas are specifically for web development) but if you want a long-term employee who will grow well past that role and into areas like management then a TAFE diploma by itself may not cut it. Either get a Uni graduate and then skill them up or get an ex TAFE student and allow them further education paths. (this is just an FYI, no help for David in his specific case here) I've heard tons of ex-uni students who complain bitterly that their degrees taught then nothing but they learned much more moving to VET - it comes down to what students are looking for. I also suspect that many high school students have been let down by their guidance councilor in helping them understand what these different forms of education mean and what's best for them. ICT is a bit special because it's so heavily involved in doing, and how to do it is constantly changing. The demarcation between the two forms of adult education can be clearer in areas like humanities where training to get a diploma in social work does not equate to a bachelor of arts. (things are a fair bit more complicated than this - I'm just watering it down to make it easier to digest) last point: I won't speak for other states, but Queensland has embraced the concept of life long learning where the many levels of educational institutions are starting to work together in concert. Certificate 2's and 3's (or in some cases higher) or some first year Uni subjects (like Griffith Uni's GUEST program) are able to be done in senior at high schools. Part of it is marketing and capturing the minds of prospective students earlier than the competition, but part is to try and make the transition (all the way up to a Masters) flow a lot better. The idea is not new - for the last 8 years (longer?) a Diploma at Southbank TAFE has (generally) meant the first year off a degree at QUT - but the integration is getting a lot smoother and is now incorporating more high schools. sorry, David, this (by itself) doesn't solve your problem ...just some background in a nutshell... but my suggestion is contact some TAFE's in your area and see if they've got any graduates for ICA50605 Diploma of Information Technology (Website Development) http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ICA05+RTO hope this helps cheers barry.b On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Sean Bucklar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've certainly seen people I'd class as 'Juniors' graduating from uni. As an employer I've seen kids come out of QUT's IT program having spent 3 years in the database stream and the only DB they've used is access, and the only programming they know how to do is through a wizard. If you go back to uni after working in the industry for a while, you'll be horrified at how little the kids know, and how wildly out of date/mickey mouse the course material often is. I've heard suggestions that they deliberately push older/mickey mouse tech because it's more widely used in small business which is where most Australians end up working - but as an employer - it's much harder then it should be to find a graduate who actually knows what they're talking about. Usually we end up spending as much time training recent grads as we do training an ex helpdesk monkey. Steve Onnis wrote: Is there such a thing as junior developers these days? I mean what sort of skill set does a uni student come out with these days and what unis still pump out web developers? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Heacock Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2008 11:42 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Wanted: junior css/html ninja Hi All, If anyone knows a junior developer with strong skills in CSS and HTML, I'm looking for a contractor in Canberra for about 20 hours per week on-site. Coldfusion skills
[cfaussie] Re: Wanted: junior css/html ninja
D'oh - wasn't my intention to particularly bag QUT - they were just intended to be a case in point. I'm actually quite a fan of QUT as uni students/grads go. Almost all the students or recent grads that I've hired and been happy with came from QUT's programs - I know that's hardly an objective assesment, but I've really had far more good then bad experiences with the people that come out of their programs - it's just a continuing point of frustration that they so often, students who have 3 year degrees that on paper - should relate directly to the work we're recruiting them for, have never been exposed in any form to the tools that business actually uses. Barry Beattie wrote: I'd have to somewhat agree with Sean here, although I'm not going to bag QUT or any other institution. it's worth remembering that there are two distinct streams of education past high schools - higher education (universities and colleges with degrees): judged by how well you performed - vocational training (TAFE and other VET institutions): competent/not yet competent. the two are reasonably different. as you can gather, vocational training is skills based, whereas higher education deals with some of the bigger picture or takes a larger holistic view. HOW verses WHY to put it bluntly. Universities specifically *don't* teach you how to do tasks - you should (in theory) be smart enough to pick that up yourself (which is where the role of the tutor - and tutorials generally - is so valuable) what's happened in IT/Computer (and by extention us here in the webby world) is a collision of these needs. I'd argue that if you just want a coder, looks at TAFE's (et al) and not universities. There are plenty or RTO's (registered training organisations) deliving the ICA05 training packages (some diplomas are specifically for web development) but if you want a long-term employee who will grow well past that role and into areas like management then a TAFE diploma by itself may not cut it. Either get a Uni graduate and then skill them up or get an ex TAFE student and allow them further education paths. (this is just an FYI, no help for David in his specific case here) I've heard tons of ex-uni students who complain bitterly that their degrees taught then nothing but they learned much more moving to VET - it comes down to what students are looking for. I also suspect that many high school students have been let down by their guidance councilor in helping them understand what these different forms of education mean and what's best for them. ICT is a bit special because it's so heavily involved in doing, and how to do it is constantly changing. The demarcation between the two forms of adult education can be clearer in areas like humanities where training to get a diploma in social work does not equate to a bachelor of arts. (things are a fair bit more complicated than this - I'm just watering it down to make it easier to digest) last point: I won't speak for other states, but Queensland has embraced the concept of life long learning where the many levels of educational institutions are starting to work together in concert. Certificate 2's and 3's (or in some cases higher) or some first year Uni subjects (like Griffith Uni's GUEST program) are able to be done in senior at high schools. Part of it is marketing and capturing the minds of prospective students earlier than the competition, but part is to try and make the transition (all the way up to a Masters) flow a lot better. The idea is not new - for the last 8 years (longer?) a Diploma at Southbank TAFE has (generally) meant the first year off a degree at QUT - but the integration is getting a lot smoother and is now incorporating more high schools. sorry, David, this (by itself) doesn't solve your problem ...just some background in a nutshell... but my suggestion is contact some TAFE's in your area and see if they've got any graduates for ICA50605 Diploma of Information Technology (Website Development) http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ICA05+RTO hope this helps cheers barry.b On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Sean Bucklar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've certainly seen people I'd class as 'Juniors' graduating from uni. As an employer I've seen kids come out of QUT's IT program having spent 3 years in the database stream and the only DB they've used is access, and the only programming they know how to do is through a wizard. If you go back to uni after working in the industry for a while, you'll be horrified at how little the kids know, and how wildly out of date/mickey mouse the course material often is. I've heard suggestions that they deliberately push older/mickey mouse tech because it's more widely used in small business which is where most Australians end up working - but as an employer - it's much harder then it should be to find a graduate who actually knows what they're
[cfaussie] Re: Wanted: junior css/html ninja
D'oh - wasn't my intention to particularly bag QUT - they were just intended to be a case in point. I didn't take the reference to that institution as you singling it out. I used to work there - there's a lot of dedicated hard working staff who care - but it's probably safe to say that every institution isn't 100% perfect. - it's just a continuing point of frustration that they so often, students who have 3 year degrees that on paper - should relate directly to the work we're recruiting them for, have never been exposed in any form to the tools that business actually uses. hopefully I've given some clearer picture why this can happen. I forgot to mention there's a third form of adult education: The School Of Hard Knocks don't laugh. it's actually becoming more viable: http://whoyoucallingajesse.com/past/2007/11/13/education_not_important_comeon_37signals/ http://www.davidtucker.net/2007/10/31/why-education-matters-to-flex/#comment-128 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Query of query and TOP
Sounds like the right way to do it. On 07/03/2008, at 10:16 AM, Scott Thornton wrote: Hi, Just wondering if there was an equivalent of top n that could be used in a query-of-query. When I used top 10, i received an error, so I used the maxrows attribute instead to restrict the values. just wondering if I have done the correct thing eg CFQUERY datasource=testdatasource_local name=TEST SELECT TOP 1000 * FROM test_table /CFQUERY cfquery name=test2 dbtype=QUERY maxrows=10 select * from TEST /cfquery Thanks, Scott Thornton, Programmer Billing Unit Hunter-New England Area Health Service ext: 24505 p: +61 02 4941 4505 m: 0413 800 242 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Query of query and TOP
You should use cfquery maxrows=n to get the top n records. The keyword TOP is actually proprietary (MSSQL only). Joel Cass Developer Gruden - Design | Development | Implementation t +61 2 9299 9462 f +61 2 9299 9463 m 0414 688 774 www.gruden.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joris de Beer Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 1:01 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Query of query and TOP Sounds like the right way to do it. On 07/03/2008, at 10:16 AM, Scott Thornton wrote: Hi, Just wondering if there was an equivalent of top n that could be used in a query-of-query. When I used top 10, i received an error, so I used the maxrows attribute instead to restrict the values. just wondering if I have done the correct thing eg CFQUERY datasource=testdatasource_local name=TEST SELECT TOP 1000 * FROM test_table /CFQUERY cfquery name=test2 dbtype=QUERY maxrows=10 select * from TEST /cfquery Thanks, Scott Thornton, Programmer Billing Unit Hunter-New England Area Health Service ext: 24505 p: +61 02 4941 4505 m: 0413 800 242 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Wanted: junior css/html ninja
I think there are a few ninja schools in Australia but I don't quite get how this is related to coding, but whatever. Uni is good but I don't think they teach HTML directly. You may hire people who think that HTML was invented by MS-Word. TAFE does teach HTML, they even have subjects devoted to it. But then again you can learn how to HTML in your bedroom with some good resource. Perhaps just looking for someone with a website, a bit of enthusiasm and knowledge of some HTML tools (e.g. anything but frontpage) will be a good start. Joel Cass Developer Gruden - Design | Development | Implementation t +61 2 9299 9462 f +61 2 9299 9463 m 0414 688 774 www.gruden.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 12:28 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Wanted: junior css/html ninja D'oh - wasn't my intention to particularly bag QUT - they were just intended to be a case in point. I didn't take the reference to that institution as you singling it out. I used to work there - there's a lot of dedicated hard working staff who care - but it's probably safe to say that every institution isn't 100% perfect. - it's just a continuing point of frustration that they so often, students who have 3 year degrees that on paper - should relate directly to the work we're recruiting them for, have never been exposed in any form to the tools that business actually uses. hopefully I've given some clearer picture why this can happen. I forgot to mention there's a third form of adult education: The School Of Hard Knocks don't laugh. it's actually becoming more viable: http://whoyoucallingajesse.com/past/2007/11/13/education_not_important_c omeon_37signals/ http://www.davidtucker.net/2007/10/31/why-education-matters-to-flex/#com ment-128 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Wanted: junior css/html ninja
I know RMIT at least teach XHTML. Java, C++ and PHP. Regards Dale Fraser http://learncf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel Cass Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 1:59 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Wanted: junior css/html ninja I think there are a few ninja schools in Australia but I don't quite get how this is related to coding, but whatever. Uni is good but I don't think they teach HTML directly. You may hire people who think that HTML was invented by MS-Word. TAFE does teach HTML, they even have subjects devoted to it. But then again you can learn how to HTML in your bedroom with some good resource. Perhaps just looking for someone with a website, a bit of enthusiasm and knowledge of some HTML tools (e.g. anything but frontpage) will be a good start. Joel Cass Developer Gruden - Design | Development | Implementation t +61 2 9299 9462 f +61 2 9299 9463 m 0414 688 774 www.gruden.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 12:28 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Wanted: junior css/html ninja D'oh - wasn't my intention to particularly bag QUT - they were just intended to be a case in point. I didn't take the reference to that institution as you singling it out. I used to work there - there's a lot of dedicated hard working staff who care - but it's probably safe to say that every institution isn't 100% perfect. - it's just a continuing point of frustration that they so often, students who have 3 year degrees that on paper - should relate directly to the work we're recruiting them for, have never been exposed in any form to the tools that business actually uses. hopefully I've given some clearer picture why this can happen. I forgot to mention there's a third form of adult education: The School Of Hard Knocks don't laugh. it's actually becoming more viable: http://whoyoucallingajesse.com/past/2007/11/13/education_not_important_c omeon_37signals/ http://www.davidtucker.net/2007/10/31/why-education-matters-to-flex/#com ment-128 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] ColdFusion: Google Summer of Code 2008
Folks, Daemon is throwing it's hat in the ring for this years, Google Summer of Code [1], in an attempt to get the FarCry code base onto the program. It would be a first for ColdFusion, and with any luck we might get some great projects off the ground. More information here: http://blog.daemon.com.au/go/blog-post/google-summer-of-code-for-coldfusion If you know of any students out there, who are dabbling in ColdFusion (or want to), that might like to be part of this program -- and maybe even earn $4500USD to boot -- then please send them over to our Project Ideas Page: http://docs.farcrycms.org/display/GSC/Home Many thanks! -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ [1]: http://code.google.com/soc/2008 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] webDU Facebook Group!
We would also like to invite you Facebookers to join the new webDU group at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8086709730. Emo haircuts are welcome but not required. If you are interested in finding out who is going and don't have a contact list the size of Corey Delaney's, then this is the place to look. Thought folks might like to join :) (note to self... one day you must get a facebook account!) For more little snippets of information on webDU happenings please feel free to join the announcements list (low traffic, broadcast only) at: http://groups.google.com/group/webdu-ann Regards, -- geoff http://www.daemon.com.au/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
