Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
actually the 407 is the ex GST price, so it's even worse. (GST downunder is 10%) On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I agree. The upgrade price is not as bad - AUD$148.75 (excluding GST), compared to USD$109.00 Still a hike, given the currency atm, but at least it's not totally exorbitant. Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: I'm consistently unhappy about that myself and it comes up with every release of anything from Adobe outside the US and the realm of the USD pricing. To create a fair comparison you'd have to add AU GST though, e.g. you're comparing against AUD 370 and not 407. AUD 370 is still way too expensive from a consumer's point of view compared to the current exchange rate (particularly because there's no shipping involved etc etc etc) - but keep in mind that global corporates have to plan with certain exchange rates for funding and budgeting stuff. Part of that can be hedged, certainly, but not all of it. It's particularly bad in AU and NZ because of the current badly unnatural strengths of our currencies - a AUD100 difference between the 274 and 370 is a bit steep though after all. I said it on Twitter recently when the CS 5.5 pricing was announced - for a few of the CS 5.5. products it's cheaper to fly from NZ (prob also from AU but I haven't checked) to LA or San Francisco, stay a night, buy CS 5.5 there in a retail shop and come back home with the software in your luggage and pay customs and GST for it in your country. Also gives you frequent flyer miles, status, an included seat for a return overnight flights and free food :-) Obviously not worth it for only CFB 2 and the AUD100 off - but in case you're going to the US anyway... :) Cheers Kai the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Scott Thornton scott.thorn...@hnehealth.nsw.gov.au wrote: Hi, Do you guys actually use CF builder? I use CFB every day, and have done since it first came out. I wanted to give proper debugging another go, installed CF builder 1 three weeks ago and attempted to get started. When you say 'proper debugging', do you mean step debugging or just showing the coldfusion debug output ? To be fair, its an environment that I am not famaliar with, but it seems so slow, so hard to do anything in it, I have so many questions and can't find the answers. Slow doing what exactly? For example: My local test site start page is http://127.0.0.1/my_site/password/password.cfm, if I view this page in IE I can see my debugging output and know its going to the correct page based on the DSN and settings, but the FireFox or IE view ( the tabs next to the source button) open a page without debugging and I am really not sure what or where the data is coming from. I never use these tabs, so I have no idea ;o) The copy Preview URL option returns my_site/Password/sb_password.cfm.. but what server? It looks like its pointing to the settings\DSN that retrieve my live database, rather then my test database that I want. Again, not sure - but I would expect it has to do with which server you have it configured to. Right click on your project, and go into the ColdFusion properties and see what the configuration settings are. Also I have managed to close some of the tabs within the ( lets say Snippets view), how do I get them back? better yet, can I reset the coldfusion perspective entirely? You can customize the ColdFusion (or any other) perspective as much as you would like. If you want to add any View: Window Show View Other Will give you the full list of views you can add to your perspective. If you want to reset your perspective, I believe: Window Reset Perspective will do the job you want. HTH Mark Cheers, -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011 2:39 PM To: ap...@googlegroups.com; cfaussie@googlegroups.com; flashaus...@googlegroups.com; AirAussie; Flexaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-builder.html -- Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney m: 0415 469 095 www.apugs.org.au Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney Topic: Panni, Burrito and Hero Date: 30th May 6pm for 6:30 start Details and RSVP on http://apugs.groups.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=post.displaypostid=34553 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
Yeah, but we should all be able to claim GST right? It's a work expense. Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com wrote: actually the 407 is the ex GST price, so it's even worse. (GST downunder is 10%) On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I agree. The upgrade price is not as bad - AUD$148.75 (excluding GST), compared to USD$109.00 Still a hike, given the currency atm, but at least it's not totally exorbitant. Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: I'm consistently unhappy about that myself and it comes up with every release of anything from Adobe outside the US and the realm of the USD pricing. To create a fair comparison you'd have to add AU GST though, e.g. you're comparing against AUD 370 and not 407. AUD 370 is still way too expensive from a consumer's point of view compared to the current exchange rate (particularly because there's no shipping involved etc etc etc) - but keep in mind that global corporates have to plan with certain exchange rates for funding and budgeting stuff. Part of that can be hedged, certainly, but not all of it. It's particularly bad in AU and NZ because of the current badly unnatural strengths of our currencies - a AUD100 difference between the 274 and 370 is a bit steep though after all. I said it on Twitter recently when the CS 5.5 pricing was announced - for a few of the CS 5.5. products it's cheaper to fly from NZ (prob also from AU but I haven't checked) to LA or San Francisco, stay a night, buy CS 5.5 there in a retail shop and come back home with the software in your luggage and pay customs and GST for it in your country. Also gives you frequent flyer miles, status, an included seat for a return overnight flights and free food :-) Obviously not worth it for only CFB 2 and the AUD100 off - but in case you're going to the US anyway... :) Cheers Kai the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Scott Thornton scott.thorn...@hnehealth.nsw.gov.au wrote: Hi, Do you guys actually use CF builder? I use CFB every day, and have done since it first came out. I wanted to give proper debugging another go, installed CF builder 1 three weeks ago and attempted to get started. When you say 'proper debugging', do you mean step debugging or just showing the coldfusion debug output ? To be fair, its an environment that I am not famaliar with, but it seems so slow, so hard to do anything in it, I have so many questions and can't find the answers. Slow doing what exactly? For example: My local test site start page is http://127.0.0.1/my_site/password/password.cfm, if I view this page in IE I can see my debugging output and know its going to the correct page based on the DSN and settings, but the FireFox or IE view ( the tabs next to the source button) open a page without debugging and I am really not sure what or where the data is coming from. I never use these tabs, so I have no idea ;o) The copy Preview URL option returns my_site/Password/sb_password.cfm.. but what server? It looks like its pointing to the settings\DSN that retrieve my live database, rather then my test database that I want. Again, not sure - but I would expect it has to do with which server you have it configured to. Right click on your project, and go into the ColdFusion properties and see what the configuration settings are. Also I have managed to close some of the tabs within the ( lets say Snippets view), how do I get them back? better yet, can I reset the coldfusion perspective entirely? You can customize the ColdFusion (or any other) perspective as much as you would like. If you want to add any View: Window Show View Other Will give you the full list of views you can add to your perspective. If you want to reset your perspective, I believe: Window Reset Perspective will do the job you want. HTH Mark Cheers, -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011 2:39 PM To: ap...@googlegroups.com; cfaussie@googlegroups.com; flashaus...@googlegroups.com; AirAussie; Flexaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-builder.html -- Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney m: 0415 469 095 www.apugs.org.au Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
oh, I thought we all do CF just because we love it? ;) On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, but we should all be able to claim GST right? It's a work expense. Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com wrote: actually the 407 is the ex GST price, so it's even worse. (GST downunder is 10%) On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I agree. The upgrade price is not as bad - AUD$148.75 (excluding GST), compared to USD$109.00 Still a hike, given the currency atm, but at least it's not totally exorbitant. Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: I'm consistently unhappy about that myself and it comes up with every release of anything from Adobe outside the US and the realm of the USD pricing. To create a fair comparison you'd have to add AU GST though, e.g. you're comparing against AUD 370 and not 407. AUD 370 is still way too expensive from a consumer's point of view compared to the current exchange rate (particularly because there's no shipping involved etc etc etc) - but keep in mind that global corporates have to plan with certain exchange rates for funding and budgeting stuff. Part of that can be hedged, certainly, but not all of it. It's particularly bad in AU and NZ because of the current badly unnatural strengths of our currencies - a AUD100 difference between the 274 and 370 is a bit steep though after all. I said it on Twitter recently when the CS 5.5 pricing was announced - for a few of the CS 5.5. products it's cheaper to fly from NZ (prob also from AU but I haven't checked) to LA or San Francisco, stay a night, buy CS 5.5 there in a retail shop and come back home with the software in your luggage and pay customs and GST for it in your country. Also gives you frequent flyer miles, status, an included seat for a return overnight flights and free food :-) Obviously not worth it for only CFB 2 and the AUD100 off - but in case you're going to the US anyway... :) Cheers Kai the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Scott Thornton scott.thorn...@hnehealth.nsw.gov.au wrote: Hi, Do you guys actually use CF builder? I use CFB every day, and have done since it first came out. I wanted to give proper debugging another go, installed CF builder 1 three weeks ago and attempted to get started. When you say 'proper debugging', do you mean step debugging or just showing the coldfusion debug output ? To be fair, its an environment that I am not famaliar with, but it seems so slow, so hard to do anything in it, I have so many questions and can't find the answers. Slow doing what exactly? For example: My local test site start page is http://127.0.0.1/my_site/password/password.cfm, if I view this page in IE I can see my debugging output and know its going to the correct page based on the DSN and settings, but the FireFox or IE view ( the tabs next to the source button) open a page without debugging and I am really not sure what or where the data is coming from. I never use these tabs, so I have no idea ;o) The copy Preview URL option returns my_site/Password/sb_password.cfm.. but what server? It looks like its pointing to the settings\DSN that retrieve my live database, rather then my test database that I want. Again, not sure - but I would expect it has to do with which server you have it configured to. Right click on your project, and go into the ColdFusion properties and see what the configuration settings are. Also I have managed to close some of the tabs within the ( lets say Snippets view), how do I get them back? better yet, can I reset the coldfusion perspective entirely? You can customize the ColdFusion (or any other) perspective as much as you would like. If you want to add any View: Window Show View Other Will give you the full list of views you can add to your perspective. If you want to reset your perspective, I believe: Window Reset Perspective will do the job you want. HTH Mark Cheers, -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011 2:39 PM To: ap...@googlegroups.com; cfaussie@googlegroups.com; flashaus...@googlegroups.com; AirAussie; Flexaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-builder.html --
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
Actually I say that purely in my position as a contractor. Is that true of full time employees as well? Do you get GST back on asset purchases like CFB? Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, but we should all be able to claim GST right? It's a work expense. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
Oh sorry - I totally read that wrong. You are right, that IS worse! Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com wrote: actually the 407 is the ex GST price, so it's even worse. (GST downunder is 10%) -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
so a MS Partner Pack (if you have a few MCP's) is cheaper than a single license for CF Builder in NZ... that pack contains 10 win 7 + office pro licenses, 3 VS pro and a heap of servers Way to go Adobe :) Very Competitive On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: Oh, AUD 407 is ex GST? Ouch, yeah - that IS annoying. Just for kicks: CFB 2 RRP ex GST is here in NZ$750 = AU$ 551 = US$ 603 My buy price if I was actually acting as a reseller here in NZ is NZD 460 ex GST, that's USD 370 - USD 71 more than Adobe themselves charges as retail pricing as it appears, LOL. Call that a ridiculous pricing :-) I Cheers Kai actually the 407 is the ex GST price, so it's even worse. (GST downunder is 10%) On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I agree. The upgrade price is not as bad - AUD$148.75 (excluding GST), compared to USD$109.00 Still a hike, given the currency atm, but at least it's not totally exorbitant. Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: I'm consistently unhappy about that myself and it comes up with every release of anything from Adobe outside the US and the realm of the USD pricing. To create a fair comparison you'd have to add AU GST though, e.g. you're comparing against AUD 370 and not 407. AUD 370 is still way too expensive from a consumer's point of view compared to the current exchange rate (particularly because there's no shipping involved etc etc etc) - but keep in mind that global corporates have to plan with certain exchange rates for funding and budgeting stuff. Part of that can be hedged, certainly, but not all of it. It's particularly bad in AU and NZ because of the current badly unnatural strengths of our currencies - a AUD100 difference between the 274 and 370 is a bit steep though after all. I said it on Twitter recently when the CS 5.5 pricing was announced - for a few of the CS 5.5. products it's cheaper to fly from NZ (prob also from AU but I haven't checked) to LA or San Francisco, stay a night, buy CS 5.5 there in a retail shop and come back home with the software in your luggage and pay customs and GST for it in your country. Also gives you frequent flyer miles, status, an included seat for a return overnight flights and free food :-) Obviously not worth it for only CFB 2 and the AUD100 off - but in case you're going to the US anyway... :) Cheers Kai the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Scott Thornton scott.thorn...@hnehealth.nsw.gov.au wrote: Hi, Do you guys actually use CF builder? I use CFB every day, and have done since it first came out. I wanted to give proper debugging another go, installed CF builder 1 three weeks ago and attempted to get started. When you say 'proper debugging', do you mean step debugging or just showing the coldfusion debug output ? To be fair, its an environment that I am not famaliar with, but it seems so slow, so hard to do anything in it, I have so many questions and can't find the answers. Slow doing what exactly? For example: My local test site start page is http://127.0.0.1/my_site/password/password.cfm, if I view this page in IE I can see my debugging output and know its going to the correct page based on the DSN and settings, but the FireFox or IE view ( the tabs next to the source button) open a page without debugging and I am really not sure what or where the data is coming from. I never use these tabs, so I have no idea ;o) The copy Preview URL option returns my_site/Password/sb_password.cfm.. but what server? It looks like its pointing to the settings\DSN that retrieve my live database, rather then my test database that I want. Again, not sure - but I would expect it has to do with which server you have it configured to. Right click on your project, and go into the ColdFusion properties and see what the configuration settings are. Also I have managed to close some of the tabs within the ( lets say Snippets view), how do I get them back? better yet, can I reset the coldfusion perspective entirely? You can customize the ColdFusion (or any other) perspective as much as you would like. If you want to add any View: Window Show View Other Will give you the full list of views you can add to your perspective. If you want to reset your perspective, I believe: Window Reset Perspective will do the job you want. HTH Mark Cheers, -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011 2:39 PM To: ap...@googlegroups.com; cfaussie@googlegroups.com; flashaus...@googlegroups.com; AirAussie; Flexaussie
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
Ah, the NZ$ 750 are the boxed version. The license key pricing is a bit more in line with the AU pricing Zac mentioned: RRP, all ex GST: NZ$ 505 - AU$ 371 - US$ 407 So - NZ is actually slightly cheaper then :) Cheers Kai Oh, AUD 407 is ex GST? Ouch, yeah - that IS annoying. Just for kicks: CFB 2 RRP ex GST is here in NZ$750 = AU$ 551 = US$ 603 My buy price if I was actually acting as a reseller here in NZ is NZD 460 ex GST, that's USD 370 - USD 71 more than Adobe themselves charges as retail pricing as it appears, LOL. Call that a ridiculous pricing :-) I Cheers Kai actually the 407 is the ex GST price, so it's even worse. (GST downunder is 10%) On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I agree. The upgrade price is not as bad - AUD$148.75 (excluding GST), compared to USD$109.00 Still a hike, given the currency atm, but at least it's not totally exorbitant. Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: I'm consistently unhappy about that myself and it comes up with every release of anything from Adobe outside the US and the realm of the USD pricing. To create a fair comparison you'd have to add AU GST though, e.g. you're comparing against AUD 370 and not 407. AUD 370 is still way too expensive from a consumer's point of view compared to the current exchange rate (particularly because there's no shipping involved etc etc etc) - but keep in mind that global corporates have to plan with certain exchange rates for funding and budgeting stuff. Part of that can be hedged, certainly, but not all of it. It's particularly bad in AU and NZ because of the current badly unnatural strengths of our currencies - a AUD100 difference between the 274 and 370 is a bit steep though after all. I said it on Twitter recently when the CS 5.5 pricing was announced - for a few of the CS 5.5. products it's cheaper to fly from NZ (prob also from AU but I haven't checked) to LA or San Francisco, stay a night, buy CS 5.5 there in a retail shop and come back home with the software in your luggage and pay customs and GST for it in your country. Also gives you frequent flyer miles, status, an included seat for a return overnight flights and free food :-) Obviously not worth it for only CFB 2 and the AUD100 off - but in case you're going to the US anyway... :) Cheers Kai the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Scott Thornton scott.thorn...@hnehealth.nsw.gov.au wrote: Hi, Do you guys actually use CF builder? I use CFB every day, and have done since it first came out. I wanted to give proper debugging another go, installed CF builder 1 three weeks ago and attempted to get started. When you say 'proper debugging', do you mean step debugging or just showing the coldfusion debug output ? To be fair, its an environment that I am not famaliar with, but it seems so slow, so hard to do anything in it, I have so many questions and can't find the answers. Slow doing what exactly? For example: My local test site start page is http://127.0.0.1/my_site/password/password.cfm, if I view this page in IE I can see my debugging output and know its going to the correct page based on the DSN and settings, but the FireFox or IE view ( the tabs next to the source button) open a page without debugging and I am really not sure what or where the data is coming from. I never use these tabs, so I have no idea ;o) The copy Preview URL option returns my_site/Password/sb_password.cfm.. but what server? It looks like its pointing to the settings\DSN that retrieve my live database, rather then my test database that I want. Again, not sure - but I would expect it has to do with which server you have it configured to. Right click on your project, and go into the ColdFusion properties and see what the configuration settings are. Also I have managed to close some of the tabs within the ( lets say Snippets view), how do I get them back? better yet, can I reset the coldfusion perspective entirely? You can customize the ColdFusion (or any other) perspective as much as you would like. If you want to add any View: Window Show View Other Will give you the full list of views you can add to your perspective. If you want to reset your perspective, I believe: Window Reset Perspective will do the job you want. HTH Mark Cheers, -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011 2:39 PM To: ap...@googlegroups.com; cfaussie@googlegroups.com; flashaus...@googlegroups.com; AirAussie; Flexaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
ok, lets get creative about this, which currency has crashed in the last 6 months compared to the USD? On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: Ah, the NZ$ 750 are the boxed version. The license key pricing is a bit more in line with the AU pricing Zac mentioned: RRP, all ex GST: NZ$ 505 - AU$ 371 - US$ 407 So - NZ is actually slightly cheaper then :) Cheers Kai Oh, AUD 407 is ex GST? Ouch, yeah - that IS annoying. Just for kicks: CFB 2 RRP ex GST is here in NZ$750 = AU$ 551 = US$ 603 My buy price if I was actually acting as a reseller here in NZ is NZD 460 ex GST, that's USD 370 - USD 71 more than Adobe themselves charges as retail pricing as it appears, LOL. Call that a ridiculous pricing :-) I Cheers Kai actually the 407 is the ex GST price, so it's even worse. (GST downunder is 10%) On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I agree. The upgrade price is not as bad - AUD$148.75 (excluding GST), compared to USD$109.00 Still a hike, given the currency atm, but at least it's not totally exorbitant. Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: I'm consistently unhappy about that myself and it comes up with every release of anything from Adobe outside the US and the realm of the USD pricing. To create a fair comparison you'd have to add AU GST though, e.g. you're comparing against AUD 370 and not 407. AUD 370 is still way too expensive from a consumer's point of view compared to the current exchange rate (particularly because there's no shipping involved etc etc etc) - but keep in mind that global corporates have to plan with certain exchange rates for funding and budgeting stuff. Part of that can be hedged, certainly, but not all of it. It's particularly bad in AU and NZ because of the current badly unnatural strengths of our currencies - a AUD100 difference between the 274 and 370 is a bit steep though after all. I said it on Twitter recently when the CS 5.5 pricing was announced - for a few of the CS 5.5. products it's cheaper to fly from NZ (prob also from AU but I haven't checked) to LA or San Francisco, stay a night, buy CS 5.5 there in a retail shop and come back home with the software in your luggage and pay customs and GST for it in your country. Also gives you frequent flyer miles, status, an included seat for a return overnight flights and free food :-) Obviously not worth it for only CFB 2 and the AUD100 off - but in case you're going to the US anyway... :) Cheers Kai the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Scott Thornton scott.thorn...@hnehealth.nsw.gov.au wrote: Hi, Do you guys actually use CF builder? I use CFB every day, and have done since it first came out. I wanted to give proper debugging another go, installed CF builder 1 three weeks ago and attempted to get started. When you say 'proper debugging', do you mean step debugging or just showing the coldfusion debug output ? To be fair, its an environment that I am not famaliar with, but it seems so slow, so hard to do anything in it, I have so many questions and can't find the answers. Slow doing what exactly? For example: My local test site start page is http://127.0.0.1/my_site/password/password.cfm, if I view this page in IE I can see my debugging output and know its going to the correct page based on the DSN and settings, but the FireFox or IE view ( the tabs next to the source button) open a page without debugging and I am really not sure what or where the data is coming from. I never use these tabs, so I have no idea ;o) The copy Preview URL option returns my_site/Password/sb_password.cfm.. but what server? It looks like its pointing to the settings\DSN that retrieve my live database, rather then my test database that I want. Again, not sure - but I would expect it has to do with which server you have it configured to. Right click on your project, and go into the ColdFusion properties and see what the configuration settings are. Also I have managed to close some of the tabs within the ( lets say Snippets view), how do I get them back? better yet, can I reset the coldfusion perspective entirely? You can customize the ColdFusion (or any other) perspective as much as you would like. If you want to add any View: Window Show View Other Will give you the full list of views you can add to your perspective. If you want to reset your perspective, I believe: Window Reset Perspective will do the job you want. HTH Mark Cheers, -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011 2:39 PM To:
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
Why do I need to buy CFB, if Eclipse + CFEclipse = FREE !? -Original Message- From: Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 15:39:10 +1000 Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
To be honest - because I find that CFB is a better editor. I haven't used CFE in ages, but I am much more productive on CFB than I ever was on CFE. Dmitry - have you tried CFB2? Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Dmitry Yakhnov dmi...@yakhnov.info wrote: Why do I need to buy CFB, if Eclipse + CFEclipse = FREE !? -Original Message- From: Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 15:39:10 +1000 Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
the EURO pricing is almost at parity with the US pricing, only 20 USD more On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest - because I find that CFB is a better editor. I haven't used CFE in ages, but I am much more productive on CFB than I ever was on CFE. Dmitry - have you tried CFB2? Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Dmitry Yakhnov dmi...@yakhnov.info wrote: Why do I need to buy CFB, if Eclipse + CFEclipse = FREE !? -Original Message- From: Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 15:39:10 +1000 Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Zac Spitzer Solution Architect / Director Ennoble Consultancy Australia http://www.ennoble.com.au http://zacster.blogspot.com +61 405 847 168 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
Im a long term CFEclipse fan and it hurts to say this but CFE doesn't have the code insight that I've found even in CFBuilder 1. Stuff like autocompletion of var names, SQL (awesome when you can't exactly remember the column name), etc. With the new features of cfb 2, it is very hard to ignore. Mark - how do u get by with Linux? Do you have a way of getting builder to run on it? Sent from my mobile On 03/05/2011, at 5:31 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest - because I find that CFB is a better editor. I haven't used CFE in ages, but I am much more productive on CFB than I ever was on CFE. Dmitry - have you tried CFB2? Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Dmitry Yakhnov dmi...@yakhnov.info wrote: Why do I need to buy CFB, if Eclipse + CFEclipse = FREE !? -Original Message- From: Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 15:39:10 +1000 Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
Is there no way to buy online in usd from the us store? Sent from my mobile On 03/05/2011, at 6:04 PM, Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com wrote: the EURO pricing is almost at parity with the US pricing, only 20 USD more On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest - because I find that CFB is a better editor. I haven't used CFE in ages, but I am much more productive on CFB than I ever was on CFE. Dmitry - have you tried CFB2? Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Dmitry Yakhnov dmi...@yakhnov.info wrote: Why do I need to buy CFB, if Eclipse + CFEclipse = FREE !? -Original Message- From: Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 15:39:10 +1000 Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Zac Spitzer Solution Architect / Director Ennoble Consultancy Australia http://www.ennoble.com.au http://zacster.blogspot.com +61 405 847 168 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
I run a lightweight XP VM for it to run under. Not ideal, but it works. I don't hate it as much as I thought I may. Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote: Im a long term CFEclipse fan and it hurts to say this but CFE doesn't have the code insight that I've found even in CFBuilder 1. Stuff like autocompletion of var names, SQL (awesome when you can't exactly remember the column name), etc. With the new features of cfb 2, it is very hard to ignore. Mark - how do u get by with Linux? Do you have a way of getting builder to run on it? Sent from my mobile On 03/05/2011, at 5:31 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest - because I find that CFB is a better editor. I haven't used CFE in ages, but I am much more productive on CFB than I ever was on CFE. Dmitry - have you tried CFB2? Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Dmitry Yakhnov dmi...@yakhnov.info dmi...@yakhnov.info wrote: Why do I need to buy CFB, if Eclipse + CFEclipse = FREE !? -Original Message- From: Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.comzac.spit...@gmail.com To: cfaussie@googlegroups.comcfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 15:39:10 +1000 Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.commark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotichttp://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: http://www.compoundtheory.comwww.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.auhttp://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training http://www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.comwww.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
Interesting. Might give it a try myself. A colleague of mine is keen to switch to Linux also, but he uses Photoshop a bit. I am guessing using such a graphics intensive app under a VM is not really all that pleasant though...? On 3 May 2011 18:27, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: I run a lightweight XP VM for it to run under. Not ideal, but it works. I don't hate it as much as I thought I may. Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote: Im a long term CFEclipse fan and it hurts to say this but CFE doesn't have the code insight that I've found even in CFBuilder 1. Stuff like autocompletion of var names, SQL (awesome when you can't exactly remember the column name), etc. With the new features of cfb 2, it is very hard to ignore. Mark - how do u get by with Linux? Do you have a way of getting builder to run on it? Sent from my mobile On 03/05/2011, at 5:31 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest - because I find that CFB is a better editor. I haven't used CFE in ages, but I am much more productive on CFB than I ever was on CFE. Dmitry - have you tried CFB2? Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Dmitry Yakhnov dmi...@yakhnov.info wrote: Why do I need to buy CFB, if Eclipse + CFEclipse = FREE !? -Original Message- From: Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 15:39:10 +1000 Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
Guess it depends on how beefy their machine is :) Mark Sent from my mobile device. On 03/05/2011 8:01 PM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting. Might give it a try myself. A colleague of mine is keen to switch to Linux also, but he uses Photoshop a bit. I am guessing using such a graphics intensive app under a VM is not really all that pleasant though...? On 3 May 2011 18:27, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: I run a lightweight XP VM for it to run under. Not ideal, but it works. I don't hate it as much as I thought I may. Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote: Im a long term CFEclipse fan and it hurts to say this but CFE doesn't have the code insight that I've found even in CFBuilder 1. Stuff like autocompletion of var names, SQL (awesome when you can't exactly remember the column name), etc. With the new features of cfb 2, it is very hard to ignore. Mark - how do u get by with Linux? Do you have a way of getting builder to run on it? Sent from my mobile On 03/05/2011, at 5:31 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: To be honest - because I find that CFB is a better editor. I haven't used CFE in ages, but I am much more productive on CFB than I ever was on CFE. Dmitry - have you tried CFB2? Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Dmitry Yakhnov dmi...@yakhnov.info wrote: Why do I need to buy CFB, if Eclipse + CFEclipse = FREE !? -Original Message- From: Zac Spitzer zac.spit...@gmail.com To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 15:39:10 +1000 Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-builder.html -- Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney m: 0415 469 095 www.apugs.org.au Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney Topic: Panni, Burrito and Hero Date: 30th May 6pm for 6:30 start Details and RSVP on http://apugs.groups.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=post.displaypostid=34553 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
Hi, Do you guys actually use CF builder? I wanted to give proper debugging another go, installed CF builder 1 three weeks ago and attempted to get started. To be fair, its an environment that I am not famaliar with, but it seems so slow, so hard to do anything in it, I have so many questions and can't find the answers. For example: My local test site start page is http://127.0.0.1/my_site/password/password.cfm, if I view this page in IE I can see my debugging output and know its going to the correct page based on the DSN and settings, but the FireFox or IE view ( the tabs next to the source button) open a page without debugging and I am really not sure what or where the data is coming from. The copy Preview URL option returns my_site/Password/sb_password.cfm.. but what server? It looks like its pointing to the settings\DSN that retrieve my live database, rather then my test database that I want. Also I have managed to close some of the tabs within the ( lets say Snippets view), how do I get them back? better yet, can I reset the coldfusion perspective entirely? Cheers, -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011 2:39 PM To: ap...@googlegroups.com; cfaussie@googlegroups.com; flashaus...@googlegroups.com; AirAussie; Flexaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-builder.html -- Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney m: 0415 469 095 www.apugs.org.au Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney Topic: Panni, Burrito and Hero Date: 30th May 6pm for 6:30 start Details and RSVP on http://apugs.groups.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=post.displaypostid=34553 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Scott Thornton scott.thorn...@hnehealth.nsw.gov.au wrote: Hi, Do you guys actually use CF builder? I use CFB every day, and have done since it first came out. I wanted to give proper debugging another go, installed CF builder 1 three weeks ago and attempted to get started. When you say 'proper debugging', do you mean *step debugging* or just *showing the coldfusion debug output* ? To be fair, its an environment that I am not famaliar with, but it seems so slow, so hard to do anything in it, I have so many questions and can't find the answers. Slow doing what exactly? For example: My local test site start page is http://127.0.0.1/my_site/password/password.cfm, if I view this page in IE I can see my debugging output and know its going to the correct page based on the DSN and settings, but the FireFox or IE view ( the tabs next to the source button) open a page without debugging and I am really not sure what or where the data is coming from. I never use these tabs, so I have no idea ;o) The copy Preview URL option returns my_site/Password/sb_password.cfm.. but what server? It looks like its pointing to the settings\DSN that retrieve my live database, rather then my test database that I want. Again, not sure - but I would expect it has to do with which server you have it configured to. Right click on your project, and go into the ColdFusion properties and see what the configuration settings are. Also I have managed to close some of the tabs within the ( lets say Snippets view), how do I get them back? better yet, can I reset the coldfusion perspective entirely? You can customize the ColdFusion (or any other) perspective as much as you would like. If you want to add any View: *Window Show View Other* Will give you the full list of views you can add to your perspective. If you want to reset your perspective, I believe: *Window Reset Perspective* will do the job you want. HTH Mark Cheers, -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011 2:39 PM To: ap...@googlegroups.com; cfaussie@googlegroups.com; flashaus...@googlegroups.com; AirAussie; Flexaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-builder.html -- Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney m: 0415 469 095 www.apugs.org.au Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney Topic: Panni, Burrito and Hero Date: 30th May 6pm for 6:30 start Details and RSVP on http://apugs.groups.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=post.displaypostid=34553 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Scott Thornton scott.thorn...@hnehealth.nsw.gov.au wrote: Hi, Do you guys actually use CF builder? I use CFB every day, and have done since it first came out. I wanted to give proper debugging another go, installed CF builder 1 three weeks ago and attempted to get started. When you say 'proper debugging', do you mean step debugging or just showing the coldfusion debug output ? To be fair, its an environment that I am not famaliar with, but it seems so slow, so hard to do anything in it, I have so many questions and can't find the answers. Slow doing what exactly? For example: My local test site start page is http://127.0.0.1/my_site/password/password.cfm, if I view this page in IE I can see my debugging output and know its going to the correct page based on the DSN and settings, but the FireFox or IE view ( the tabs next to the source button) open a page without debugging and I am really not sure what or where the data is coming from. I never use these tabs, so I have no idea ;o) The copy Preview URL option returns my_site/Password/sb_password.cfm.. but what server? It looks like its pointing to the settings\DSN that retrieve my live database, rather then my test database that I want. Again, not sure - but I would expect it has to do with which server you have it configured to. Right click on your project, and go into the ColdFusion properties and see what the configuration settings are. Also I have managed to close some of the tabs within the ( lets say Snippets view), how do I get them back? better yet, can I reset the coldfusion perspective entirely? You can customize the ColdFusion (or any other) perspective as much as you would like. If you want to add any View: Window Show View Other Will give you the full list of views you can add to your perspective. If you want to reset your perspective, I believe: Window Reset Perspective will do the job you want. HTH Mark Cheers, -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011 2:39 PM To: ap...@googlegroups.com; cfaussie@googlegroups.com; flashaus...@googlegroups.com; AirAussie; Flexaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-builder.html -- Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney m: 0415 469 095 www.apugs.org.au Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney Topic: Panni, Burrito and Hero Date: 30th May 6pm for 6:30 start Details and RSVP on http://apugs.groups.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=post.displaypostid=34553 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Zac Spitzer Solution Architect / Director Ennoble Consultancy Australia http://www.ennoble.com.au http://zacster.blogspot.com +61 405 847 168 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Scott Thornton scott.thorn...@hnehealth.nsw.gov.au wrote: Do you guys actually use CF builder? Yup, I bought CFB1 on the day it was released. CFB2 is a huge improvement - faster, less memory and a lot more features. My local test site start page is http://127.0.0.1/my_site/password/password.cfm, if I view this page in IE I can see my debugging output Not sure what that has to do with debugging via CFB? CFB - and the underlying Eclipse IDE - does full-blown step debugging at the source code level, not just per-request debug print out. I personally don't use step debugging much - never have in any language - but what CFB provides is extremely powerful. Also I have managed to close some of the tabs within the ( lets say Snippets view), how do I get them back? better yet, can I reset the coldfusion perspective entirely? Eclipse lets you (re-)open any view and customize any perspective however you want. There's a bit of a learning curve but it's effort well-spent: it's an extremely powerful IDE. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try
Yeah, I agree. The upgrade price is not as bad - AUD$148.75 (excluding GST), compared to USD$109.00 Still a hike, given the currency atm, but at least it's not totally exorbitant. Mark On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Kai Koenig k...@koeni.de wrote: I'm consistently unhappy about that myself and it comes up with every release of anything from Adobe outside the US and the realm of the USD pricing. To create a fair comparison you'd have to add AU GST though, e.g. you're comparing against AUD 370 and not 407. AUD 370 is still way too expensive from a consumer's point of view compared to the current exchange rate (particularly because there's no shipping involved etc etc etc) - but keep in mind that global corporates have to plan with certain exchange rates for funding and budgeting stuff. Part of that can be hedged, certainly, but not all of it. It's particularly bad in AU and NZ because of the current badly unnatural strengths of our currencies - a AUD100 difference between the 274 and 370 is a bit steep though after all. I said it on Twitter recently when the CS 5.5 pricing was announced - for a few of the CS 5.5. products it's cheaper to fly from NZ (prob also from AU but I haven't checked) to LA or San Francisco, stay a night, buy CS 5.5 there in a retail shop and come back home with the software in your luggage and pay customs and GST for it in your country. Also gives you frequent flyer miles, status, an included seat for a return overnight flights and free food :-) Obviously not worth it for only CFB 2 and the AUD100 off - but in case you're going to the US anyway... :) Cheers Kai the pricing is a bloody outrage $299 USD == $274 AUD, but they list it as $407 AUD FFS adobe! On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Scott Thornton scott.thorn...@hnehealth.nsw.gov.au wrote: Hi, Do you guys actually use CF builder? I use CFB every day, and have done since it first came out. I wanted to give proper debugging another go, installed CF builder 1 three weeks ago and attempted to get started. When you say 'proper debugging', do you mean step debugging or just showing the coldfusion debug output ? To be fair, its an environment that I am not famaliar with, but it seems so slow, so hard to do anything in it, I have so many questions and can't find the answers. Slow doing what exactly? For example: My local test site start page is http://127.0.0.1/my_site/password/password.cfm, if I view this page in IE I can see my debugging output and know its going to the correct page based on the DSN and settings, but the FireFox or IE view ( the tabs next to the source button) open a page without debugging and I am really not sure what or where the data is coming from. I never use these tabs, so I have no idea ;o) The copy Preview URL option returns my_site/Password/sb_password.cfm.. but what server? It looks like its pointing to the settings\DSN that retrieve my live database, rather then my test database that I want. Again, not sure - but I would expect it has to do with which server you have it configured to. Right click on your project, and go into the ColdFusion properties and see what the configuration settings are. Also I have managed to close some of the tabs within the ( lets say Snippets view), how do I get them back? better yet, can I reset the coldfusion perspective entirely? You can customize the ColdFusion (or any other) perspective as much as you would like. If you want to add any View: Window Show View Other Will give you the full list of views you can add to your perspective. If you want to reset your perspective, I believe: Window Reset Perspective will do the job you want. HTH Mark Cheers, -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Velevitch Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2011 2:39 PM To: ap...@googlegroups.com; cfaussie@googlegroups.com; flashaus...@googlegroups.com; AirAussie; Flexaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion Builder 2 is now available to buy or try http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-builder.html -- Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney m: 0415 469 095 www.apugs.org.au Adobe Platform Users Group, Sydney Topic: Panni, Burrito and Hero Date: 30th May 6pm for 6:30 start Details and RSVP on http://apugs.groups.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=post.displaypostid=34553 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
