Re: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled?
Hi Charlie, Definitely not using the war option. It's very strange - particularly that I can reproduce it every time on different machines. Guess I'm doing something unusual somewhere but I'm not sure what it is! Andrew Sent from my mobile On 22/04/2011, at 9:09 AM, charlie arehart charlie_li...@carehart.org wrote: That is odd, Andrew, and no, I've not heard it happening before (but perhaps others have). I will ask this, just to make sure we really are talking about the same thing: when you create the new instance, do you do it using the WAR file option (where you provide the name of a WAR file during the creation of the new instance)? Or do you not, which is by far the more typical way? I ask because it could indeed differ if you do use the WAR file option. For instance, one can create a WAR file during the install of CF Enterprise, and use it during the creation of an instance (not that one needs to bother, but sometimes people find some blog entry that recommends an approach and they follow it, not knowing any reason to do otherwise.) Well, such a stock WAR file would indeed then be very vanilla, with nothing but default Admin settings. Or you may have created the WAR file from an existing instance (another option which many never notice), and then used that to build the instance. If so, perhaps the WAR file was created when you had some settings set but just not datasources. But again, the far more common thing is not to bother specifying any WAR file when creating the new instance. If that's what you're doing, and you say there are some settings that propagate but not the datasources, that would indeed be strange. /charlie -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Myers Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:27 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled? That's interesting Charlie. On my Windows dev machine, my Linux test environment and my Linux production box I get zero datasources on any new instances I create. I have CF 9.0.1 on them all. This is despite my master cfusion instance having over a half a dozen datasources on all 3 installs. One thing I do have on each of them is an embedded derby datasource as well. I was curious as to whether this could be a factor, however I just removed it from my dev box out of curiosity, but when I created another new instance it too had zero datasources. So it appears that's not factor that's making a difference. I know we're getting away from the original topic but this is probably why I never clued on to the fact that a new instance is actually a copy of the cfusion instance, because I had to reconfigure the datasources each time I created a new one. I wonder what makes me so special that my datasources don't propagate? Have you ever heard of this happening before? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled?
Hey Andrew, For what it's worth when ever I create a 'new' CF instance I can say for sure you won't get the data sources from the default cfusion instance. If you are creating an instance 'from a WAR' then it depends what you chose to have included in that WAR file when it was created. Side note: if you run CF in console mode when creating a new instance you will see it generate an ANT build.xml. If you find this and take a copy of it, you can read it and gain a better understanding of what steps are taken to create a new instance :) Oh i'm rambling again... Happy Easter everyone! On 22/04/2011, at 5:57 PM, Andrew Myers am2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Charlie, Definitely not using the war option. It's very strange - particularly that I can reproduce it every time on different machines. Guess I'm doing something unusual somewhere but I'm not sure what it is! Andrew Sent from my mobile On 22/04/2011, at 9:09 AM, charlie arehart charlie_li...@carehart.org wrote: That is odd, Andrew, and no, I've not heard it happening before (but perhaps others have). I will ask this, just to make sure we really are talking about the same thing: when you create the new instance, do you do it using the WAR file option (where you provide the name of a WAR file during the creation of the new instance)? Or do you not, which is by far the more typical way? I ask because it could indeed differ if you do use the WAR file option. For instance, one can create a WAR file during the install of CF Enterprise, and use it during the creation of an instance (not that one needs to bother, but sometimes people find some blog entry that recommends an approach and they follow it, not knowing any reason to do otherwise.) Well, such a stock WAR file would indeed then be very vanilla, with nothing but default Admin settings. Or you may have created the WAR file from an existing instance (another option which many never notice), and then used that to build the instance. If so, perhaps the WAR file was created when you had some settings set but just not datasources. But again, the far more common thing is not to bother specifying any WAR file when creating the new instance. If that's what you're doing, and you say there are some settings that propagate but not the datasources, that would indeed be strange. /charlie -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Myers Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:27 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled? That's interesting Charlie. On my Windows dev machine, my Linux test environment and my Linux production box I get zero datasources on any new instances I create. I have CF 9.0.1 on them all. This is despite my master cfusion instance having over a half a dozen datasources on all 3 installs. One thing I do have on each of them is an embedded derby datasource as well. I was curious as to whether this could be a factor, however I just removed it from my dev box out of curiosity, but when I created another new instance it too had zero datasources. So it appears that's not factor that's making a difference. I know we're getting away from the original topic but this is probably why I never clued on to the fact that a new instance is actually a copy of the cfusion instance, because I had to reconfigure the datasources each time I created a new one. I wonder what makes me so special that my datasources don't propagate? Have you ever heard of this happening before? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled?
Wow, MrB, thanks for your confirmation. And you are indeed right: the dsns are NOT propagated. To Andrew and all reading along, I have to admit (and apologize) that I've been misled on this all along. I did keep saying, it would be strange if the datasources were not propagated. I was saying that because I did know that so many other settings did propagate: I just presumed that DSNs did as well. But I just tested it, and sure enough, the datasources did not propagate. (FWIW, I did my test on CF8, lest anyone wonder if it was some new behavior in CF9, as Andrew was using). So this is really fascinating. I really had never heard anyone else indicate that the DSNs were not propagated (though again I knew from experience that other settings were). I guess I just never noticed it. I really am surprised that I've not heard anyone else complain of it (but perhaps others would say it's old news to them). Hey, you learn something new every day. For the sake of completeness, I just did a compare of the lib directory (where the neo*.xml files are stored) between the new instance and the base cfusion instance, and I can confirm that the ONLY one where settings were not propagated was the neo-datasource.xml. Wow. I decided to go one step father, and I modified a bunch of settings in the cfusion admin (and added mappings and custom tag paths), and then created yet another new instance, and compared that to the base cfusion instance. Again, the ONLY settings not propagated were the datasources. So lesson learned. I went still farther, and compared the other directories, and there are a few other interesting observations. Rather than bore you with the details, I'll be creating a blog entry on the topic later today. So Andrew, you're not going crazy! :-) /charlie -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MrBuzzy Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 6:41 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled? Hey Andrew, For what it's worth when ever I create a 'new' CF instance I can say for sure you won't get the data sources from the default cfusion instance. If you are creating an instance 'from a WAR' then it depends what you chose to have included in that WAR file when it was created. Side note: if you run CF in console mode when creating a new instance you will see it generate an ANT build.xml. If you find this and take a copy of it, you can read it and gain a better understanding of what steps are taken to create a new instance :) Oh i'm rambling again... Happy Easter everyone! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled?
Thanks for comfirming that Charlie. I look forward to reading your blog entry. Regards, Andrew. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled?
So just for future reference. What I'm reading is telling me that really rather than starting off using the default instance, I probably should have created a new one and done everything in *there*, and left the default instance as a template for creating future instances. Is that correct? I'm sure it is well documented somewhere as Glen says...I guess I didn't read that bit :) On Apr 21, 3:38 pm, Andrew am2...@gmail.com wrote: Datasources are not propagated? Mappings seem to be.. On Apr 21, 2:40 pm, Glen Dunlop glen.dun...@gmail.com wrote: Charlie, You are right but as this was about CF9, that is what I mentioned. From what I understand anything that is configured at the time, is duplicated for the new instance. So yeah I guess it is something people may not be aware off. ~Glen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled?
Interesting - the doco suggests datasources are propagated, but my experience both on my dev and production server was that they are not. I just copied the neo-datasource.xml across to get them there, but I'm curious as to why it didn't come across now... On Apr 21, 3:38 pm, Andrew am2...@gmail.com wrote: Datasources are not propagated? Mappings seem to be.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled?
Andrew, they absolutely should propagate, so that would be odd. And while one can copy the neo*.xml files to solve such problems, it's always wise to be cautious in doing that. /charlie -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:15 AM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled? Interesting - the doco suggests datasources are propagated, but my experience both on my dev and production server was that they are not. I just copied the neo-datasource.xml across to get them there, but I'm curious as to why it didn't come across now... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled?
That's interesting Charlie. On my Windows dev machine, my Linux test environment and my Linux production box I get zero datasources on any new instances I create. I have CF 9.0.1 on them all. This is despite my master cfusion instance having over a half a dozen datasources on all 3 installs. One thing I do have on each of them is an embedded derby datasource as well. I was curious as to whether this could be a factor, however I just removed it from my dev box out of curiosity, but when I created another new instance it too had zero datasources. So it appears that's not factor that's making a difference. I know we're getting away from the original topic but this is probably why I never clued on to the fact that a new instance is actually a copy of the cfusion instance, because I had to reconfigure the datasources each time I created a new one. I wonder what makes me so special that my datasources don't propagate? Have you ever heard of this happening before? On 21/04/2011, at 10:59 PM, charlie arehart charlie_li...@carehart.org wrote: Andrew, they absolutely should propagate, so that would be odd. And while one can copy the neo*.xml files to solve such problems, it's always wise to be cautious in doing that. /charlie -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 2:15 AM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled? Interesting - the doco suggests datasources are propagated, but my experience both on my dev and production server was that they are not. I just copied the neo-datasource.xml across to get them there, but I'm curious as to why it didn't come across now... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled?
That is odd, Andrew, and no, I've not heard it happening before (but perhaps others have). I will ask this, just to make sure we really are talking about the same thing: when you create the new instance, do you do it using the WAR file option (where you provide the name of a WAR file during the creation of the new instance)? Or do you not, which is by far the more typical way? I ask because it could indeed differ if you do use the WAR file option. For instance, one can create a WAR file during the install of CF Enterprise, and use it during the creation of an instance (not that one needs to bother, but sometimes people find some blog entry that recommends an approach and they follow it, not knowing any reason to do otherwise.) Well, such a stock WAR file would indeed then be very vanilla, with nothing but default Admin settings. Or you may have created the WAR file from an existing instance (another option which many never notice), and then used that to build the instance. If so, perhaps the WAR file was created when you had some settings set but just not datasources. But again, the far more common thing is not to bother specifying any WAR file when creating the new instance. If that's what you're doing, and you say there are some settings that propagate but not the datasources, that would indeed be strange. /charlie -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Myers Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:27 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled? That's interesting Charlie. On my Windows dev machine, my Linux test environment and my Linux production box I get zero datasources on any new instances I create. I have CF 9.0.1 on them all. This is despite my master cfusion instance having over a half a dozen datasources on all 3 installs. One thing I do have on each of them is an embedded derby datasource as well. I was curious as to whether this could be a factor, however I just removed it from my dev box out of curiosity, but when I created another new instance it too had zero datasources. So it appears that's not factor that's making a difference. I know we're getting away from the original topic but this is probably why I never clued on to the fact that a new instance is actually a copy of the cfusion instance, because I had to reconfigure the datasources each time I created a new one. I wonder what makes me so special that my datasources don't propagate? Have you ever heard of this happening before? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled?
Hi Charlie, As usual, you are the man! It was coming from a difference instance. I had recently created a few new instances, and it appears they automatically inherit the setup from the main instance. One of them had a bunch of alerts logged which corresponded with the alerts I was receiving. I hadn't even bothered to check in here, because I had just assumed a new instance had no alerts configured at all, like a clean install. Thank you again! Happy Easter! Andrew. On Apr 21, 9:30 am, charlie arehart charlie_li...@carehart.org wrote: Andrew, a restart shouldn't be required, no, not at all. This would be very odd for alerts to continue firing once disable. I will note that the Flex-based interface of the Server Monitor does lend itself at times for it to be easy to miss seeing the apply button on those pages. You can't just uncheck the checkbox, alone. It's not that sort of interface. :-) It's not clear from your note if you perhaps had gone back in and checked to see if it was still unchecked. If so, that's your problem, use the scroll feature in the UI to find and click that apply button. (Depending on your resolution, you may see as many as 3 scroller bars on the right, for 3 nested panes, that may all need to be scrolled down to see the button. Sucks, yes.) If that's not the issue, then I would challenge you to make sure that the alerts are really coming from the server you think they are. For instance, if you have either multiple instances, or multiple servers (perhaps test and prod), perhaps they are being fired from one other than you think. The alert from address only indicates the server name, not an instance name. I'm not sure that's indicated anywhere in the alert, come to think of it, so it could be an issue. Let us know what you find. /charlie -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 8:15 AM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled? Hi, I set up a few alerts in the CF Monitor for one of my instances, one of which includes a slow server alert. I recently went in and unchecked the enabled box on them because I found they were being triggered when a few of my scheduled tasks run, however I am still getting the alerts, even despite having changed the settings. Has anyone else observed this behaviour, and if so know of a fix? Come to think of it I haven't tried restarting the server instance - perhaps I should and see if that gets rid of them? Andrew. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled?
If you are using ColdFusion 9 to create a new instance from the Administrator, then it copies all the settings. This is well documented. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 11:55 AM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled? Hi Charlie, As usual, you are the man! It was coming from a difference instance. I had recently created a few new instances, and it appears they automatically inherit the setup from the main instance. One of them had a bunch of alerts logged which corresponded with the alerts I was receiving. I hadn't even bothered to check in here, because I had just assumed a new instance had no alerts configured at all, like a clean install. Thank you again! Happy Easter! Andrew. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled?
Thanks for the update, Andrew, and for the kind regards. Glad you got it sorted, and that I was able to help. /charlie -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:55 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled? Hi Charlie, As usual, you are the man! It was coming from a difference instance. I had recently created a few new instances, and it appears they automatically inherit the setup from the main instance. One of them had a bunch of alerts logged which corresponded with the alerts I was receiving. I hadn't even bothered to check in here, because I had just assumed a new instance had no alerts configured at all, like a clean install. Thank you again! Happy Easter! Andrew -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled?
Glen, if by using ColdFusion 9 you might be implying that the behavior is new for 9 (or if anyone reading that may infer it), I'd clarify that it was not new for 9 (that settings in the cfusion instance are propagated to newly created instances). It's always been that way since the multiserver deployment was introduced in CF 7. Just trying to help. That said, I would not be surprised myself if someone who even knew that might still not have contemplated it being the case for the Server Monitor, and especially for its alerts, since it's not technically an interface within the Admin (though yes, it is launched from it). So it's a good lesson learned to observe that monitor settings for are (for better or worse) indeed propagated from the cfusion instance to any new instances. /charlie -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Glen Dunlop Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:06 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled? If you are using ColdFusion 9 to create a new instance from the Administrator, then it copies all the settings. This is well documented. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled?
Charlie, You are right but as this was about CF9, that is what I mentioned. From what I understand anything that is configured at the time, is duplicated for the new instance. So yeah I guess it is something people may not be aware off. ~Glen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: CF 9 Monitor Alerts still being sent even though not enabled?
Datasources are not propagated? Mappings seem to be.. On Apr 21, 2:40 pm, Glen Dunlop glen.dun...@gmail.com wrote: Charlie, You are right but as this was about CF9, that is what I mentioned. From what I understand anything that is configured at the time, is duplicated for the new instance. So yeah I guess it is something people may not be aware off. ~Glen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
