[cia-drugs] FREEDOM IS NOT ENOUGH

2005-10-02 Thread Kay Lee






FREEDOM IS NOT ENOUGH
The following excerptcomes from a letter, 
written by James Harry Reyos, which appeared in the Austin Chronicle on 
24 June 2005:
‘I humbly appeal to you, Gov. 
Perry, to intervene and help bring my wrongful conviction to an 
end. Don’t give me the deaf 
ear, governor! Don’t ignore my cry of 
innocence, governor! Don’t ignore my call 
for justice, governor! Don’t allow my 
wrongful conviction to linger on and on and on, 
governor!One thing is for 
certain, and has been proven to be true: I did not kill Father Patrick 
Ryan. I was innocent yesterday! I am innocent today! And, I will be innocent in 
perpetuity!
You may have never heard of James Harry Reyos, but I 
can tell you he is a gentle softspoken man from Texas who is a 
trueinspiration tomy soul. Hehas beendriven for a 
very long time bya spirit of unsatisfied justice, but he called me tonight 
to share some very hopeful news. Before I share his message, let me tell you 
just the basics about about James.
In 1983 James Reyos was jailed after being convicted 
of the murder of Father Patrick Ryan, a Catholic priest who had been found 
brutally murdered in a Texas motel room two years 
earlier.
Jamesmaintainedhis innocence throughout 
his years of imprisonment.Many believed him. Even C/Os wrote letters 
of support to the Texas Parole Board but to no avail: James served the full 
thirty-eightyears that rightfully belong to another 
man.What that manmay havebeen doing all these 
yearsshould weighheavy onthe conscience of all involved in 
James' incarceration
Ifyou still believe our justice system 
works,this caseshouldhaunt you because it is representative of 
what's happened to too many Americans. James knows that. The innocents he 
met in prison area big reason he is still so focused on clearing his 
name.
James is technically free, but legally considered to 
be a guilty man who has served his time. James cannot accept that 
andwill nevergiven up the effort to clear his name. Since 
leaving prison he has worked tirelessly to garner support and focus on the 
case. He now has a wonderful attorney whom some of you mayrecognise 
from the infamous * Tulia Drug Sting. 

Attorney ** Jeff Blackburn 
has put his all into getting James' evidence in front of the Texas Board 
of Pardons and Paroles. James Reyos is now due to be heard in late 
November orDecember of this year.He and his lawyerhope that 
theParoleBoardwill recommend that Governor Perry 
grantJames a Full Pardon on the grounds of INNOCENCE so that this 
injustice can be ended once and for all.
If you live near Austin Texas, we'll keep you informed 
as to when the hearing isto take placeand perhaps you can 
joinJames in his moment of Victory.
AttorneyBlackburn builtan uncluttered, 
easy to read website for James to reveal the truth andaid intheir 
quest for justice. Please visit, and sign James' guestbook before you 
leave. He needs your energy. http://www.jamesharryreyos.g3z.com/
PS. James has never seenhis 
site. He has no computer. He doesn't know I'm going to ask this, but 
if anyone has a computer that's not being used, contact his attorney for an 
address to send it to.
Tofind outwhat you can do to support 
James, contact Attorney Blackburn:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or Phone: 806-744-6477
This is a link to a television news broadcast about 
James.done by Nancy Wilson.KEYE 42 
Investigates with Nanci Wilson 5/17/05: Waiting For Justice 

* 
A Google Search will bring up a lot of information on the Drug War 
injustice that happened in Tulia Texas.Here isthe Tulia 
people'swebsite http://fojtulia.org/
**Jeff Blackburn: Tulia 
Defenderhttp://www.truthinjustice.org/blackburn.htm
Kay Lee[EMAIL PROTECTED]2683 Rockcliff Road 
SoutheastAtlanta Georgia 
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Re: [cia-drugs] Re: Your Amazon.com Order -- Interesting item

2005-10-02 Thread RoadsEnd
It happens from reply or new mail. Some are also also directed to  
paypal.

Keeps me off the list ...

Peace,
Om
K

On Oct 1, 2005, at 9:22 PM, Bob wrote:

 Amazingly this was accepted by yahoo list server as if
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is subscribed to cia-drugs,
 not to mention as if you as sender are @amaz.

 Did you use Reply or Forward? That could have mixed
 in the old headers from the amazon auto-responder
 again and then yahoo list server might be incompetent
 again a second time.

 Technically, an incompetent mail server may read only
 the first From: header, or elsewise read the wrong
 From: header. You can avoid this by not using Reply
 or Forward, use Write instead, then it will only have
 your From header, and then paste the amazon crap
 in and flush crap to yahoo toilet and see if it pukes.

 -Bob

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Howdy folks,

 Some very interesting things have been happening. Some of these have
 been happening for months, but I have just been busy with one  
 thing or
 another have been bulling through.  My computer and our server have
 been under attack. And, much has been happenig to disrupt my
 interaction with my lists, CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 and [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Below is one example -- where my posts are somehow directed to  
 amazon.
 I am and have been getting bounced off of lists that I own and run,
 daily, sometimes several times a day. I have changed mail programs,
 etc. and the problems persist. Nary it be for me to suspect anythin
 untoward is happening regarding these communication difficulties. But
 I do find it interesting.

 Please let it be know that I have been sending out much to my various
 list that doesn't arrive.

 Does any one have any ideas of why and how my emails are being
 directed to this amazon ruse?

 Peace,
 Om
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 Hammer to the Slammer -- Cruisegate: Curtains for the GOPMOB



 September 30, 2005-Venice, FL.
 by Daniel Hopsicker





 The investigation into the 4-year old murder of Sun Cruz Casino boat
 founder Konstantinos Gus Boulis in Fort Lauderdale has begun t


 o reveal hidden connections between Republican lobbyist Jack
 Abramoffs gargantuan fund-raising machine, essential to victory in
 the past two Presidential elections, and a cast of underworld
 characters not previously thought of as exemplifying what have come
 to be known as Republican family values.
 The indictment of three men Tuesday in the Boulis hit exposes an
 unholy alliance in Florida between the national Republican party and
 the Mob, details of which were first reported in the
 MadCowMorningNews three months ago (The Secret World of Jack
 Abramoff: Terrorists, Torpedoes and Republican Muscle).

 More indictments are expected soon.

 The trail of suspicion leads directly to Abramoffs doorstep: the
 three names already released clearly implicate Adam Kidan, the Casino
 lines erstwhile President, in the crime, who wrote checksduh-
 uh!for over $250,000 to one of the indicted men, Gambino goombah
 Anthony Big Tony' Moscatiello, 67, of Howard Beach, N.Y, for no
 easily discernible reason.


 Bush's Biggest Backer: Chief Stands with Pair

 Although lawyers for Abramoff and Kidan, who face trial Jan. 9 on
 fraud charges, have repeatedly said neither man knows anything about
 Boulis' murder, since Kidan was hand-picked by Abramoff to run the
 unregulated collection of a dozen ships operating off the coast of
 Florida, Abramoff may even now be wondering who it might be safe to
 roll on if and when hes indicted for murder.




 Abramoff, of course, is best known as the target of a federal
 investigation in Washington into the tens of millions 

[cia-drugs] Fwd: a skull cult that is often associated with the headhunt. Ritual cannibalism and pederasty are commonly practiced

2005-10-02 Thread RoadsEnd


Begin forwarded message:From: RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: October 2, 2005 8:07:26 AM PDTTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], ctrl CTRL CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COMSubject: a skull cult that is often associated with the headhunt. Ritual cannibalism and pederasty are commonly practiced http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/05/eye-of-horus-part-one.htmlA few days ago Tim Boucher posted a fascinating quote by Joseph Campbell on pre-modern secret societies, from Campbell's Masks of God: Primative Mythology:Admission to them is through election and they are generally limited: they are not for all... [They reach] beyond the local tribe seeking out friends and members among alien peoples... a particular stress is given in these secret men’s societies to a skull cult that is often associated with the headhunt. Ritual cannibalism and pederasty are commonly practiced and there is a highly elaborated use made of drums and masks.As Tim wrote, "If this doesn’t start ringing all kinds of bells with modern conspiracy theory, especially in terms of secret societies, and ritual abuse, then I don’t know what does." It should ring a bell for those who've heard Kay Griggs, wife of Marine Colonel George Griggs and her witness to ritualized homosexual rape and systemic paedophilia in the highest ranks of the US military and government.We know the significance of a "skull" cult to Bonesmen. We've learned much about pederasty among the elite. We've even read accounts of ritual cannibalism, real and simulated, by survivors of ritual abuse. All these dark things that seem so foreign to our world, and strain at our sophistication and capacity to comprehend, have actually been practiced for thousands of years. Why not today? It's presumptively naive to wish it all away with a few generations of secular modernity, particularly when evidence and testimony suggest it endures.I'll get back to this and develop it more, particularly how it may relate to the ripe-for-ridicule stories of alien rape and anal "probes."





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[cia-drugs] HPSCI: Tainted intelligence for sale to the CIA

2005-10-02 Thread RoadsEnd
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/September 28, 2005 -- After the bogus Iraqi intelligence scandal comes this: CIA Director Porter Goss is now accepting politicized intelligence from the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI). Porter Goss's successor as HPSCI chairman, Rep. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, has stated that his committee is now providing "intelligence" to the CIA from sources who have no way of directly providing it to the embattled intelligence agency. Goss, it should be pointed out, brought several GOP political hacks with him to Langley, including Dick Cheney's former spokesperson and Bush-Cheney 04 operative Jennifer Millerwise and Goss's former HPSCI Executive Director Michael Kostiw, a former CIA officer who resigned in 1981 after he shoplifted a $2.13 package of bacon from a supermarket near CIA headquarters. These and other Goss political hacks have made damaging decisions that are resulting in a mass departure of seasoned and experienced intelligence officers from the CIA. Intelligence insiders report that Goss's decision to accept tainted political "intelligence" from the HPSCI has contributed to plummeting morale at Langley. For example, a number of HPSCI members are also members of special House caucuses that are established by lobbyists to push agendas to further the agendas of other nations. The most powerful are caucuses representing the interests of Israel, Turkey, South Korea, Greece, and India.For example, HPSCI members who are also members of the Congressional Caucus on Armenian Issues include Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA), Elton Gallegly (R-CA), Mike Rogers (R-MI), Anna Eshoo (D-CA), Rush Holt (R-NJ), and John Tierney (D-MA). Any "intelligence" provided to members by such a group would certainly bear the imprimatur of the Armenian government. Eshoo, Holt, and Tierney are also members of the Congressional Caucus for India and Indian-Americans. Cunningham, Tierney, and Jo Ann Davis (R-VA) are members of the anti-Turkish Hellenic (Greek) Caucus. The Congressional Caucus on Turkey and Turkish Americans, which has close connections to the Turkish government and intelligence, as well as the American Turkish Council and Turkey's chief lobbying firm Livingston Associates, counts among its HPSCI members ranking Democrat Jane Harman (D-CA), second and third ranking Democrats Alcee Hastings Hastings (D-FL) and Sylvestre Reyes (D-TX), respectively, and Jo Ann Davis (R-VA).  In addition, HPSCI Chairman Hoekstra's passport bears Turkish entry and exit visas. He is also a member of the House Baltic Caucus. Number two GOP HPSCI member Ray LaHood is a member of the House Republican Israel Caucus. Holt and Reyes are members of the House Bangladesh Caucus. Harman has close links to the right-wing Cuba Democracy Forum, which is, in turn, closely linked to the neo-con Lexington Institute, based in Arlington, Virginia.HPSCI: Tainted "intelligence" for sale to the CIAThe provision of tainted propaganda to the CIA by lobbyist- and ethnic pressure group-influenced members of Congress and ordering it to be "laundered" as intelligence is the same template by which the neo-cons filtered false and forged documents on Iraq's non-existent weapons of mass destruction program from groups like Ahmad Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress through the Pentagon and the intelligence community. A war based on lies and false pretenses resulted. Goss's "restructuring" of the CIA now means that nothing the CIA reports now or in the future can be trusted -- by legislators or by the CIA's counterparts around the world.Experienced CIA officers are seeing this final image of their agency in their rear view mirrors.


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Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:58:22 -0700
From: RoadsEnd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [cia-drugs] HPSCI: Tainted intelligence for sale to the CIA

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

September 28, 2005 -- After the bogus Iraqi intelligence scandal  
comes this: CIA Director Porter Goss is now accepting politicized  
intelligence from the House Permanent Select Committee on  
Intelligence (HPSCI). Porter Goss's successor as HPSCI chairman, Rep.  
Peter Hoekstra of Michigan, has stated that his committee is now  
providing intelligence to the CIA from sources who have no way of  
directly providing it to the embattled intelligence agency. Goss, it  
should be pointed out, brought several GOP political hacks with him  
to Langley, including Dick Cheney's former spokesperson and Bush- 
Cheney 04 operative Jennifer Millerwise and Goss's former HPSCI  
Executive Director Michael Kostiw, a former CIA officer who resigned  
in 1981 after he shoplifted a $2.13 package of bacon from a  
supermarket near CIA headquarters. These and other Goss political  
hacks have made damaging decisions that are resulting in a mass  
departure of seasoned and experienced intelligence officers from the  
CIA. Intelligence insiders report that Goss's decision to accept  
tainted political intelligence from the HPSCI has contributed to  
plummeting morale at Langley. For example, a number of HPSCI members  
are also members of special House caucuses that are established by  
lobbyists to push agendas to further the agendas of other nations.  
The most powerful are caucuses representing the interests of Israel,  
Turkey, South Korea, Greece, and India.

For example, HPSCI members who are also members of the Congressional  
Caucus on Armenian Issues include Randy Duke Cunningham (R-CA),  
Elton Gallegly (R-CA), Mike Rogers (R-MI), Anna Eshoo (D-CA), Rush  
Holt (R-NJ), and John Tierney (D-MA). Any intelligence provided to  
members by such a group would certainly bear the imprimatur of the  
Armenian government. Eshoo, Holt, and Tierney are also members of the  
Congressional Caucus for India and Indian-Americans. Cunningham,  
Tierney, and Jo Ann Davis (R-VA) are members of the anti-Turkish  
Hellenic (Greek) Caucus. The Congressional Caucus on Turkey and  
Turkish Americans, which has close connections to the Turkish  
government and intelligence, as well as the American Turkish Council  
and Turkey's chief lobbying firm Livingston Associates, counts among  
its HPSCI members ranking Democrat Jane Harman (D-CA), second and  
third ranking Democrats Alcee Hastings Hastings (D-FL) and Sylvestre  
Reyes (D-TX), respectively, and Jo Ann Davis (R-VA).  In addition,  
HPSCI Chairman Hoekstra's passport bears Turkish entry and exit  
visas. He is also a member of the House Baltic Caucus. Number two GOP  
HPSCI member Ray LaHood is a member of the House Republican Israel  
Caucus. Holt and Reyes are members of the House Bangladesh Caucus.  
Harman has close links to the right-wing Cuba Democracy Forum, which  
is, in turn, closely linked to the neo-con Lexington Institute, based  
in Arlington, Virginia.



HPSCI: Tainted intelligence for sale to the CIA

The provision of tainted propaganda to the CIA by lobbyist- and  
ethnic pressure group-influenced members of Congress and ordering it  
to be laundered as intelligence is the same template by which the  
neo-cons filtered false and forged documents on Iraq's non-existent  
weapons of mass destruction program from groups like Ahmad Chalabi's  
Iraqi National Congress through the Pentagon and the intelligence  
community. A war based on lies and false pretenses resulted. Goss's  
restructuring of the CIA now means that nothing the CIA reports now  
or in the future can be trusted -- by legislators or by the CIA's  
counterparts around the world.



Experienced CIA officers are 

[cia-drugs] New Orleans: Prisoners Abandoned to Floodwaters

2005-10-02 Thread Prison Ministry


Officers Deserted a Jail Building, Leaving Inmates Locked in Cells

(New York, September 22, 2005)—As Hurricane Katrina began pounding 
New Orleans,
the sheriff's department abandoned hundreds of inmates imprisoned in 
the city's
jail, Human Rights Watch said today.

Inmates in Templeman III, one of several buildings in the Orleans 
Parish Prison
compound, reported that as of Monday, August 29, there were no 
correctional
officers in the building, which held more than 600 inmates. These 
inmates,
including some who were locked in ground-floor cells, were ...

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[cia-drugs] Frist, DeLay Company Fend Off Probes Into Ethics - The Great Texas Bank Job WIDENS

2005-10-02 Thread judson witham









Frist's HCA Stock Sale Being Investigated - The Great Texas Bank Job WIDENS

http://www.geocities.com/jurisnot How the Trillions Got STOLEN - JW

http://www.geocities.com/jurisnot/index2.htm

The Great Texas Bank Job
Money Laundering N Looting

Paying Those Political Campaign Expenses "Slick Willy's Way"
This again shows how far special interests, favors and corruption have gone in this administration by putting completely unqualified people in high level posts.
Tom DeLay's funny-money trail
WD 41 and WD 43 N Company "Slicker Than Willy"
The RNC Bag Men Go To DC, LA, Florida, Iraq





$$$

Oh Shit "They Figured Out The Money Machine" $$$

What Ever You Do Do Not Mention The Missing Billions in IRAQ
Repeat After Me "I SWEAR - we did not have Sexual Relations with Fannie Mae Freddie Mac or those SLs and BANKS"
WASHINGTON, September 23, 2005
(AP)The Securities and Exchange Commission and federal prosecutors are investigating Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist's sale of stock in HCA Inc., the hospital operating company founded by his family. In a statement released Friday, the Nashville-based company said federal prosecutors for the Southern District of New York issued a subpoena for documents HCA believes are related to the sale of its stock by the senator. Frist's office confirmed the SEC is looking into the sale. The SEC also contacted HCA on Friday to informally request copies of the subpoenaed documents, HCA spokesman Jeff Prescott said. "We of course will comply with that request," he said. Frist traded using only public information, and only to eliminate the appearance of a conflict of interest, Frist spokesman Bob Stevenson said in an e-mail Friday. "Not surprisingly, the Securities and Exchange Commission contacted Senator Frist's office after
 the story appeared in the press about the sale of his Hospital Corporation of America stock," Stevenson said. "The majority leader will provide the SEC any information that it needs with respect to this matter." Frist spokeswoman Amy Call again declined to comment on the timing of the sale, saying, "His only objective in selling the stock was to eliminate the appearance of a conflict of interest." HCA, the nation's largest for-profit hospital company, was founded by Frist's father. His brother was formerly its CEO and chairman and remains on the board of directors. Frist asked a trustee to sell all his HCA stock in June, near a 52-week stock price peak of $58.40 and at the same time HCA insiders were selling off shares. Reports to the Securities and Exchange Commission showed insiders sold about 2.3 million shares, worth about $112 million, from January through June, said Mark LoPresti of Thomson Financial. The sale came about two weeks before the
 company issued a disappointing earnings forecast that drove its stock price down almost 16 percent by mid-July. They still have not recovered, closing Thursday at $45.90. The value of Frist's stock at the time of the sale was not disclosed. Earlier this year, he reported holding blind trusts valued at $7 million to $35 million. The sale of stock was first reported Monday by Congressional Quarterly. On Tuesday, The Associated Press reported that the stock was sold at or near its peak between June 13, when Frist asked the shares to be sold, and July 1, when he was told the sale was complete. On July 8 he was informed that his wife and children's shares had also been sold per his request, his spokeswoman Amy Call said. For years, Frist was criticized for holding HCA stock while directing legislation on Medicare reform and patient issues. He and his office have consistently deflected criticism by noting that his assets were in a blind trust and not under his
 active control. But Senate ethics rules allowed him more control than most observers realized. Under the guidelines, senators can directly order the sale of any asset in the trust to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. The senator also can communicate to the trustee matters of concern, including "an interest in maximizing income or long-term capital gain." That is not how blind trusts normally work, said David Becker, who was general counsel at the SEC from 2000 to 2002. Frist, a Tennessee Republican, is widely considered a potential presidential candidate in 2008. HCA said the subpoena seeks the "production of documents," and said it plans to fully cooperate with the investigation. On Thursday, SEC spokesman John Nester would neither confirm nor deny that Frist or any officer or director of HCA is the subject of an investigation, citing the agency's policy. Nester also declined comment Friday on Frist's spokesman saying the SEC
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[cia-drugs] Norgesen., mapmaker's baseline and 'secret of Wu Tui'

2005-10-02 Thread Michael Donovan





Dear Norgesen.
Again I love your important research.
Two principles are taught at the top of naval intelligence, the mapmaker's 
baseline of history (or 'mystery of Babylon') and the secret of Wu Tui. 
Everything else 'rolls' off of these two basic understandings of power on this 
planet. Banking (and power) always follows information. As the 
information centers changed so did the line of inheritance (mostly secret) and 
power. Where was the first power/banking center before we could navigate 
the seas? That is easy. Just twist the globe around... 
Babylon. That is where the caravans would cross between continents. 
Power built up. But we started to go onto water. This changed the 
center of information. Where would the information networks then 
combine? Just look at the map. Jerusalem. It had the camel 
caravans (really horse then) on one side by the dead sea and the sea network 
between 'fishermen' on the other. It would have a quicker world view than 
Babylon. So the information center moved, entire story of Daniel. 
When the moved the 'bank' they made sure it 'stayed in the family' no person in 
the movement could marry outside. Book of Ezra. But navigation kept 
improving. The center then changed to Rhodes. Then Rome. Then Malta, 
at the time of crusades. Lisbon in the 1400s, center of world, most 
cosmopolitan, Scandinavians mixing with Blacks from Africa, etc. 
Azores. Then in the Age of Sail jumped over the Atlantic to Nantucket, 
sand bar built up, Martha's Vineyard. Prior to the opening of the Suez and 
Panama canals, telegraph etc. So Boston was first Banking center there, 
with information switched to Wall Street. Notice the omission of 
England. Exception that proves rule, just off 'mapmaker's baseline' and an 
advantage of naval power. So the 'moneyed lines' tended to follow the 
information and connect back to old centers. I understand these seems 
overly simplistic. However it forms a good 'first file' to sort the other 
information.
 The next part of this is something called the 'secret of 
Wu Tui'. It is a test in logic. It is known that about the year four 
a secret message went from the Emperor of China, Wu Tui, to Caesar, the Emperor 
of Rome. If it was a secret message, what would it logically be? 
Think of any planet out there among the stars. Two empires develop at 
different sides of the planet. As they connect, the silk trade, and one 
sends a 'secret' message to the other, what would that secret be? What 
would be the most exquisite secret? Well, 'the enemy of my enemy is my 
friend', right? So the secret was, "Why don't we pretend to be enemies but 
be very secret friends at top? That way all between will bond with either 
you or I and we will know everything." Re read history with these two 
principles and you can see much.
 Therefore in all these books and such that divulge 
secret power at top, (Coleman 300 top families etc.) they always leave out the 
Chinese side. China invested early in the information centers that moved 
west. Now, of course, there was some confusion in 1947 as Mao took 
power. Eden spoke to them. What were they going to do? Just 
throw away all the money now in Wall Street and London? Of course 
not. It re-emerged, that old 'Wu Tui' connection even under 
communism. They want to hide this. The very powerful Han family 
lives in central China near Chung King. They draw little attention to 
themselves, living almost as peasants. That is where Henry Luce Sr. was 
born with connections to the mapmaker's baseline, family from Martha's 
Vineyard. The Vineyard, until recently an insider center too. 
Communications change but it takes a while to readjust. That is why all 
the big media types all connect still on the Vineyard.
 Now, the above is a simplistic overview. But a 
good place to start. There are spin-offs.
 If the project of looking at secret societies goes on it 
will do much good. Exposure. They will be forced to grow up and take 
care of the world they have been neglecting.
 To make the principles easy I put it in the form of a 
play. The play is called A Spy In Time.
In the play this is taught to a child, making it simple. The play is 
a history. The story is true. It concerns my parents passing 
information to the Soviets during the McCarthy era. Very scary at the 
time. My Father was the head mapmaker for Time. Now some 
conversations merged, etc. The 'soliloquies of my parents 'from the dead' 
are off course not true. The information passing was April, late April 54, 
not winter. But essentially the truth.
 What is astounding to me. I wrote that last 
winter. I had written most of a book, JOHN (Lehman, Former Naval 
Secretary, Leader of the New World Order)  'SCARLETT'. If JOHN  
'SCARLETT' were ever published all the wrong people would be hurt. It went 
into the surprise Soviet naval maneuvers of 84. But a number of people 
said, 'why don't you make the first chapters, the background with your parents, 
into a play. It reads like one'. 

[cia-drugs] Re: Le Cercle - Pinay Circle

2005-10-02 Thread LeaNder
How are you doing this? Using source code. That would be too simple it
seems. But let me try.


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[cia-drugs] Katrina and Rita a little Shock and Awe, dare we ask ???

2005-10-02 Thread judson witham




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[cia-drugs] CNN Report about Ufos in Puerto Rico / Mayor and Prof. Reinaldo Rios creator Extraterrestrial Route and Ufos Airport

2005-10-02 Thread Reinaldo Rios

















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UFO landing strip gets mayor's support
Wednesday, September 28, 2005 Posted: 1512 GMT (2312 HKT) 

LAJAS, Puerto Rico (AP) -- People in this sleepy hamlet are so sure they have been receiving other-worldly visitors, they want to build a UFO landing strip to welcome them.
A bright green sign along a lonely country road in southwestern Puerto Rico proudly displays a silhouette of a flying saucer and two words: "Extraterrestrial Route."
Most Puerto Ricans laughed when a horse farmer installed the sign on his property at the request of Reynaldo Rios, a local elementary school teacher who says he's been communicating with alien visitors to this U.S. territory since he was a child.
Rios, a 39-year-old with a goatee and a shock of dark hair, won't be ignored. With the blessing of a local government desperate for tourist dollars, he's dedicated himself to building the UFO landing strip.
"I can't say exactly when they will come, but I know it will happen," Rios said. "I want to keep believing in my dreams."
Lajas Mayor Marcos Irizarry's support for the idea has provoked outrage among islanders who complained it would be a waste of money at a time when the government is encouraging thousands of employees to shorten their work week to cope with a staggering fiscal deficit.
"What nonsense," said Luis Arocho, 47, sipping coffee with friends in a cafe in historic Old San Juan. "This country is in crisis, and since politicians are incapable of creating jobs, they create fantasies."
Irizarry quickly clarified that his municipal government would not invest in the project. Instead, he has promised to help Rios get the proper building permits.
UFO beliefs widely held
The mayor insists his goal is to attract tourists to his small town.
But he is also among Lajans who believe they have seen UFOs in the area.
"It's a very mysterious place," said Irizarry, who says he once saw red lights zigzagging above the hills. "A lot of people have seen things."
Francisco Negron, the farmer who put up the sign and allows UFO watchers to gather at his ranch, volunteered his property for the landing strip. He and Rios estimate the project could cost up to $100,000 and are looking for money from private companies.
Negron, a soft-spoken grandfather, has applied for a permit to build a road to Indian Hill, the chosen site for the strip. Negron and others say a UFO crashed on the hill in 1997. They claim they heard a boom and saw the hill go up in flames.
Rios, who leads a group called "UFO International" that holds nighttime vigils to search for signs of alien life, lets Negron worry about details like investment costs and permits while he envisions the design. The landing strip would be 80-feet (24-meters) long and have pyramids as control towers because aliens are attracted to the shape.
The mayor hopes that UFO enthusiasts will flock to Lajas as they have to Roswell, New Mexico, the site of a supposed UFO crash in the 1940s. Hundreds of visitors have come to check out the Extraterrestrial Route since the sign went up, Irizarry said.
Puerto Rico is known for its Arecibo Observatory and its 1,000-foot (304-meter) parabolic receiver that astronomers really do use to search for extraterrestrial life. The huge dish, in northern Puerto Rico, made a cameo appearance in the 1997 film "Contact," starring Jodi Foster as an astronomer who picks up a signal from extratraterrestrials.
What's blimp looking for?
But it's a little-known aerostat off the Extraterrestrial Route that inspires UFO lore in Lajas. The U.S. military uses the aerostat, a tethered blimp with a radar system, to detect low-flying drug smuggling planes.
But many Lajans don't believe that. Even Irizarry has suggested that the aerostat's true purpose is to detect UFOs.
A paved road leading to the blimp curves out of sight between two hills. Two signs warn against trespassing. Rios claims he was once briefly detained while trying to see the aerostat.
The school teacher says he first encountered aliens at 13. He says white lights burst into his bedroom, entered his body and cured him of a back injury he had received during a basketball game.
In Lajas, people who have grown up hearing reports of UFO sightings seem more open to his scheme.
"If we have the technology to reach the moon, there could be others who have the technology to come here," said Ronaldo Barea, 26, a sandwich shop owner.

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[cia-drugs] CNN Report about Ufos in Puerto Rico / Mayor and Prof. Reinaldo Rios creator Extraterrestrial Route and Ufos Airport

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UFO landing strip gets mayor's support
Wednesday, September 28, 2005 Posted: 1512 GMT (2312 HKT) 

LAJAS, Puerto Rico (AP) -- People in this sleepy hamlet are so sure they have been receiving other-worldly visitors, they want to build a UFO landing strip to welcome them.
A bright green sign along a lonely country road in southwestern Puerto Rico proudly displays a silhouette of a flying saucer and two words: "Extraterrestrial Route."
Most Puerto Ricans laughed when a horse farmer installed the sign on his property at the request of Reynaldo Rios, a local elementary school teacher who says he's been communicating with alien visitors to this U.S. territory since he was a child.
Rios, a 39-year-old with a goatee and a shock of dark hair, won't be ignored. With the blessing of a local government desperate for tourist dollars, he's dedicated himself to building the UFO landing strip.
"I can't say exactly when they will come, but I know it will happen," Rios said. "I want to keep believing in my dreams."
Lajas Mayor Marcos Irizarry's support for the idea has provoked outrage among islanders who complained it would be a waste of money at a time when the government is encouraging thousands of employees to shorten their work week to cope with a staggering fiscal deficit.
"What nonsense," said Luis Arocho, 47, sipping coffee with friends in a cafe in historic Old San Juan. "This country is in crisis, and since politicians are incapable of creating jobs, they create fantasies."
Irizarry quickly clarified that his municipal government would not invest in the project. Instead, he has promised to help Rios get the proper building permits.
UFO beliefs widely held
The mayor insists his goal is to attract tourists to his small town.
But he is also among Lajans who believe they have seen UFOs in the area.
"It's a very mysterious place," said Irizarry, who says he once saw red lights zigzagging above the hills. "A lot of people have seen things."
Francisco Negron, the farmer who put up the sign and allows UFO watchers to gather at his ranch, volunteered his property for the landing strip. He and Rios estimate the project could cost up to $100,000 and are looking for money from private companies.
Negron, a soft-spoken grandfather, has applied for a permit to build a road to Indian Hill, the chosen site for the strip. Negron and others say a UFO crashed on the hill in 1997. They claim they heard a boom and saw the hill go up in flames.
Rios, who leads a group called "UFO International" that holds nighttime vigils to search for signs of alien life, lets Negron worry about details like investment costs and permits while he envisions the design. The landing strip would be 80-feet (24-meters) long and have pyramids as control towers because aliens are attracted to the shape.
The mayor hopes that UFO enthusiasts will flock to Lajas as they have to Roswell, New Mexico, the site of a supposed UFO crash in the 1940s. Hundreds of visitors have come to check out the Extraterrestrial Route since the sign went up, Irizarry said.
Puerto Rico is known for its Arecibo Observatory and its 1,000-foot (304-meter) parabolic receiver that astronomers really do use to search for extraterrestrial life. The huge dish, in northern Puerto Rico, made a cameo appearance in the 1997 film "Contact," starring Jodi Foster as an astronomer who picks up a signal from extratraterrestrials.
What's blimp looking for?
But it's a little-known aerostat off the Extraterrestrial Route that inspires UFO lore in Lajas. The U.S. military uses the aerostat, a tethered blimp with a radar system, to detect low-flying drug smuggling planes.
But many Lajans don't believe that. Even Irizarry has suggested that the aerostat's true purpose is to detect UFOs.
A paved road leading to the blimp curves out of sight between two hills. Two signs warn against trespassing. Rios claims he was once briefly detained while trying to see the aerostat.
The school teacher says he first encountered aliens at 13. He says white lights burst into his bedroom, entered his body and cured him of a back injury he had received during a basketball game.
In Lajas, people who have grown up hearing reports of UFO sightings seem more open to his scheme.
"If we have the technology to reach the moon, there could be others who have the technology to come here," said Ronaldo Barea, 26, a sandwich shop owner.

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2005-10-02 Thread RoadsEnd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is a member. Requested to join in Jan of 04. I approved in May when I approved 30 or so one day. Interesting. There has been no activity from the address but some times it grabs my outgoing mails and then presents them to the list. ship-confirm is moderated so they don't go directly to list and I generally do not let post. I have known for awhile that it was redirecting my emails but hvae been busy. Strange. Peace, OmK Send Message  Edit Membership-name- -age- -gender- -location-(Request Profile)[EMAIL PROTECTED] [Moderated] Jan 22, 2004=DateMemberActivityMay 31, 2004 8:18 am[EMAIL PROTECTED]Membership request approved by ramillegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] via webJan 22, 2004 11:44 am[EMAIL PROTECTED]Membership requested via email


[cia-drugs] VIDEO: Bombshell - Bush implicated in Plame leak

2005-10-02 Thread MA PA



Source to Stephanopoulos: President Bush Directly Involved In Leak Scandal

Near the end of a round table discussion on ABC’s This Week, George Stephanopoulos dropped this bomb:

Definitely a political problem but I wonder, George Will, do you think it’s a manageable one for the White House especially if we don’t know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as a source close to this told me this week, that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussions.
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[cia-drugs] Chavez: Venezuela Moves Reserves to Europe

2005-10-02 Thread Vigilius Haufniensis






http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.asp?Feed=APDate=20050930ID=5157487
Chavez: Venezuela Moves Reserves to
Europe

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - Venezuela has moved its central bank
foreign reserves out of U.S. banks, liquidated its investments in U.S.
Treasury securities and placed the funds in Europe, Venezuelan
President Hugo Chavez said Friday.
"We've had to move the
international reserves from U.S. banks because of the threats," from
the U.S., Chavez said during televised remarks from a South American
summit in Brazil.

"The
reserves we had (invested) in U.S. Treasury bonds, we've sold them and
we moved them to Europe and other countries," he said.
Chavez, a
sharp critic of what he calls "imperialist" U.S.-style capitalism, has
often criticized foreign banks for the power they wield in
international financial markets at the expense of poorer countries.
Chavez
again proposed the creation of a South American central bank that would
hold the foreign exchange reserves of all the central banks in the
region.
"I'm ready right now with the Venezuelan central bank ...
to move $5 billion (euro4.15 billion) (of Venezuelan reserves), to a
South American bank," Chavez said.
Central bank officials could not be immediately reached for more
details.
Chavez
has also argued against central bank autonomy, saying excess foreign
reserves should be spent on economic development projects.
Under
his presidency, Venezuela's mostly pro-Chavez Congress changed central
bank laws earlier this year so the government could tap reserves for
spending, despite criticism that it would lead to devaluation of the
local currency and higher inflation.
Every year the central bank
must now compute an "optimum" amount of reserves and hand over the rest
to a newly created national development fund.
Money held in the fund will be used for overseas purchases and to
pay off outstanding debt.
Foreign
exchange reserves held by the central bank stood at $30.434 billion
(euro25.27 billion) as of Sept. 28, according to central bank data.
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Re: [cia-drugs] Re: Your Amazon.com Order

2005-10-02 Thread Bob
Imagine subscribing to cia-drugs or any mailing list
as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Then what would
happen is the listserver would email to that address,
and the address would bounce back with a little
boilerplate added. Many listservers would interpret
the bounce as confirmation, since it contains all of
the just hit reply and include this phrase.

Then the function as a user would be to bounce all
messages back, and listserver would accept those
bounces as subscriber emails.

Meanwhile yahoo and this list will be marked and
databased around the world as spammers for
spamming [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Probably most list email to that address will be
filtered out and dropped by amazon's spam filter,
but once in a while their spam filter won't work
and you will receive a bounce-back as if it was
hijacking a cia-drugs message. That would not
explain how it was receiving only messages
from Kris. Perhaps in the subscription settings
it could be set to only receive messages from
the moderator?

Bottom line is you're being played.

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Re: [cia-drugs] Re: Your Amazon.com Order -- Interesting item

2005-10-02 Thread Bob
RoadsEnd wrote:
 It happens from reply or new mail. Some are also also directed to 
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 Keeps me off the list ...

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 From new mail is really weird. I suggest asking amazon.com
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Re: [cia-drugs] [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a member.

2005-10-02 Thread E Bryant Holman





All one has to do to subscribe an e-mail address is to take the invitation 
html code from any group, substitute the name of the group you want to subscribe 
to, and publish it as an html file on your own computer using Windows Notepad, 
and then type in any e-mail address you want and send it in. It is easy a 
falling off a log.

Bryant

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Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:14 PM
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member.
RoadsEnd wrote: 

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]is a member. Requested 
  to join in Jan of 04. I approved in May when I approved 30 or so one 
  day.
  Interesting. 
  There has been no activity from the address but some times it grabs my 
  outgoing mails and then presents them to the list. ship-confirm is moderated 
  so they don't go directly to list and I generally do not let post. I have 
  known for awhile that it was redirecting my emails but hvae been busy. 
  Strange.
  
  Peace,
  Om
  KThe only reason 
to allow that address to besubscribed is forensics.The way to 
subscribe that address would be toforge a subscription with insider 
amazon.compriveleges or by very sophisticated hackerspoofing.Any 
legitimate mail for that address would qualifyas spam for the list. Only 
illegitimate mail for thataddress would qualify, either sending or 
receiving.I think amazon.com would be more capable ofdoing the 
required forensic work than we would.-Bob
 
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Re: [cia-drugs] [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a member.

2005-10-02 Thread E Bryant Holman





This is the code I am talking about:

formmethod="get"action=""tablecellspacing="0"cellpadding="2"border="0"bgcolor="#cc"trtdcolspan="2"align="center"emSubscribetoDay_of_the_Dead/em/td/trtrtdinputtype="text"name="user"value="enteremailaddress"size="20"/tdtdinputtype="image"border="0"alt="ClickheretojoinDay_of_the_Dead"name="ClickheretojoinDay_of_the_Dead"src=""/td/trtralign="center"tdcolspan="2"Poweredbynbsp;ahref=""groups.yahoo.com/a/td/tr/table/form 


This is for the Day 
of the Dead group, just substitute "cia-drugs"for "Day_of_the_Dead" and 
you are all set. So you don't even have to be a Yahoo member or log onto the web 
server or anything. I could subscribe anyone I wanted to any group with this 
method. The only way of keeping people off is for the moderator to have it set 
up where he has to approve memberships and not to approve those that seem dubious for some 
reason. So Amazon.com would have no control over this, and no liability either, 
and in addition, there is no great mystery either and nothing at all 
sophisticated about this.

- Original Message - 
From: E Bryant 
Holman 
To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [cia-drugs] [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a 
member.

All one has to do to subscribe an e-mail address is to take the invitation 
html code from any group, substitute the name of the group you want to subscribe 
to, and publish it as an html file on your own computer using Windows Notepad, 
and then type in any e-mail address you want and send it in. It is easy a 
falling off a log.

Bryant

- Original Message - 
From: Bob 
To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [cia-drugs] [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a 
member.
RoadsEnd wrote: 

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]is a member. Requested 
  to join in Jan of 04. I approved in May when I approved 30 or so one 
  day.
  Interesting. 
  There has been no activity from the address but some times it grabs my 
  outgoing mails and then presents them to the list. ship-confirm is moderated 
  so they don't go directly to list and I generally do not let post. I have 
  known for awhile that it was redirecting my emails but hvae been busy. 
  Strange.
  
  Peace,
  Om
  KThe only reason 
to allow that address to besubscribed is forensics.The way to 
subscribe that address would be toforge a subscription with insider 
amazon.compriveleges or by very sophisticated hackerspoofing.Any 
legitimate mail for that address would qualifyas spam for the list. Only 
illegitimate mail for thataddress would qualify, either sending or 
receiving.I think amazon.com would be more capable ofdoing the 
required forensic work than we would.-Bob
 
  Send Message 
  Edit Membership
  
  -name- -age- -gender-
  -location-
  (Request 
  Profile)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [Moderated]
  
  Jan22,2004
  
  =
  
  Date
  Member
  Activity
  May31,20048:18 am
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Membership request approved by ramillegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] via 
  web
  Jan22,200411:44 
am
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Membership requested via 
email





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Re: [cia-drugs] [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a member.

2005-10-02 Thread E Bryant Holman





I just used this method to subscribe a member of this group to my Day of 
the Dead group. Please, that person, just delete the mail and let it expire 
(unless you really want to join, of course). I just did this to show how easy it 
was.

Bryant

- Original Message - 
From: E Bryant 
Holman 
To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [cia-drugs] [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a 
member.

This is the code I am talking about:

formmethod="get"action=""http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/Day_of_the_Dead">http://groups.yahoo.com/subscribe/Day_of_the_Dead"tablecellspacing="0"cellpadding="2"border="0"bgcolor="#cc"trtdcolspan="2"align="center"emSubscribetoDay_of_the_Dead/em/td/trtrtdinputtype="text"name="user"value="enteremailaddress"size="20"/tdtdinputtype="image"border="0"alt="ClickheretojoinDay_of_the_Dead"name="ClickheretojoinDay_of_the_Dead"src=""/td/trtralign="center"tdcolspan="2"Poweredbynbsp;ahref=""groups.yahoo.com/a/td/tr/table/form 


This is for the Day 
of the Dead group, just substitute "cia-drugs"for "Day_of_the_Dead" and 
you are all set. So you don't even have to be a Yahoo member or log onto the web 
server or anything. I could subscribe anyone I wanted to any group with this 
method. The only way of keeping people off is for the moderator to have it set 
up where he has to approve memberships and not to approve those that seem dubious for some 
reason. So Amazon.com would have no control over this, and no liability either, 
and in addition, there is no great mystery either and nothing at all 
sophisticated about this.

- Original Message - 
From: E Bryant 
Holman 
To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [cia-drugs] [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a 
member.

All one has to do to subscribe an e-mail address is to take the invitation 
html code from any group, substitute the name of the group you want to subscribe 
to, and publish it as an html file on your own computer using Windows Notepad, 
and then type in any e-mail address you want and send it in. It is easy a 
falling off a log.

Bryant

- Original Message - 
From: Bob 
To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [cia-drugs] [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a 
member.
RoadsEnd wrote: 

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]is a member. Requested 
  to join in Jan of 04. I approved in May when I approved 30 or so one 
  day.
  Interesting. 
  There has been no activity from the address but some times it grabs my 
  outgoing mails and then presents them to the list. ship-confirm is moderated 
  so they don't go directly to list and I generally do not let post. I have 
  known for awhile that it was redirecting my emails but hvae been busy. 
  Strange.
  
  Peace,
  Om
  KThe only reason 
to allow that address to besubscribed is forensics.The way to 
subscribe that address would be toforge a subscription with insider 
amazon.compriveleges or by very sophisticated hackerspoofing.Any 
legitimate mail for that address would qualifyas spam for the list. Only 
illegitimate mail for thataddress would qualify, either sending or 
receiving.I think amazon.com would be more capable ofdoing the 
required forensic work than we would.-Bob
 
  Send Message 
  Edit Membership
  
  -name- -age- -gender-
  -location-
  (Request 
  Profile)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [Moderated]
  
  Jan22,2004
  
  =
  
  Date
  Member
  Activity
  May31,20048:18 am
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Membership request approved by ramillegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] via 
  web
  Jan22,200411:44 
am
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Membership requested via 
email





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Re: [cia-drugs] [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a member.

2005-10-02 Thread E Bryant Holman





If it is a member of the group, all messages that are sent to the group go 
to that address, and they go back to the address where they originated, which is 
that of the person who posts a message.

- Original Message - 
From: RoadsEnd 
To: Cia-drugs Cia-drugs 
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [cia-drugs] [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a 
member.
So how do my out emails go to that address?

Peace,
Om
K


On Oct 2, 2005, at 8:13 PM, E Bryant Holman wrote:
This is for the Day of the Dead group, 
  just substitute "cia-drugs"for "Day_of_the_Dead" and you are all set. So 
  you don't even have to be a Yahoo member or log onto the web server or 
  anything. I could subscribe anyone I wanted to any group with this method. The 
  only way of keeping people off is for the moderator to have it set up where he 
  has to approve memberships and not to approve those that seem 
  dubious for some reason. So Amazon.com would have no control over this, and no 
  liability either, and in addition, there is no great mystery either and 
  nothing at all sophisticated about 
this.





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