[c-nsp] Total output drops - congestion ? - 7200-VXR

2008-07-16 Thread Wilkinson, Alex
Hi all,

I am having problems with a particular device going down every 3-4 days.
The switchport for which this device is connected to is telling me it is
having a lot of output drops e.g.

   Input queue: 0/2000/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 
13342805

I 'suspect' that these output drops could be the root cause of the device
attached to this port going down consistently.

Question: Since 'output drops' seems to relate to interface congestion can
  anyone recommed a tool to 'blast' this particular interface in
  order to test {in,out}queues and congestion ?

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Re: [c-nsp] Cisco MMPPP

2008-07-16 Thread Edi Guntoro
Thanks Ben,
however what do you mean by better off load balancing with a routing protocol 
and/or cef ? is it disabling the load balancing? as I know this feature enable 
by default on routing protocol as long as they are equal admin distances.
And is it for traffic out to the internet or traffic coming to the customer ?
regards.
Edi





- Original Message 
From: Ben Steele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Edi Guntoro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Cisco MMPPP

the LAC is pretty irrelevant, you need to configure MMPPP capabilities  
on your LNS's, which means an sgbp group on your LNS's for the  
multichassis and ppp multilink under your virtual template for the  
MPPP side of things.

I noticed your topology is using 2 seperate wireless services to  
provide the bundle, one word of warning is if the bundles are out of  
sync (speed and latency wise) you will see very poor performance and  
you are better off load balancing with a routing protocol and/or cef.

Ben

On 16/07/2008, at 2:13 PM, Edi Guntoro wrote:

 Dear ciscoers,
 Let's say we have a scenario to bring up multiple ppp for our  
 customer to increase bandwidth to the internet.
 At the moment we only have access to the LNS, is it possible to have  
 MMPPP for our customer, or is there something to do with the LAC?
 any reference?
 here is the layout:
 regards
 Igun


 u /-3.5g service---PPP---LAC---LNS1--|
 s/ | 
 ___internet
 e\ |
 r \-cdma service--PPP---LAC---LNS2--|




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Re: [c-nsp] Cisco MMPPP

2008-07-16 Thread Ben Steele
i'm talking strictly between your LNS and your CPE here, if you find  
your MMPPP is giving poor performance due to physical differences  
between the 2 sessions (ie speed and latency), then try doing  
something a little more creative like multihopping both ppp sessions  
onto the one router and using (as you mentioned) cef per-destination  
load sharing over the 2 unique ppp sessions, or alternatively let a  
routing protocol handle the work and advertise part of your subnet out  
one link and part out the other with redundancy, or even GRE tunnels  
etc etc.. there are quite a few ways you can achieve the desired  
outcome, this is of course only if your mmppp fails.


Cheers

Ben

On 16/07/2008, at 4:11 PM, Edi Guntoro wrote:


Thanks Ben,
however what do you mean by better off load balancing with a  
routing protocol and/or cef ? is it disabling the load balancing?  
as I know this feature enable by default on routing protocol as long  
as they are equal admin distances.
And is it for traffic out to the internet or traffic coming to the  
customer ?

regards.
Edi



- Original Message 
From: Ben Steele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Edi Guntoro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Cisco MMPPP

the LAC is pretty irrelevant, you need to configure MMPPP capabilities
on your LNS's, which means an sgbp group on your LNS's for the
multichassis and ppp multilink under your virtual template for the
MPPP side of things.

I noticed your topology is using 2 seperate wireless services to
provide the bundle, one word of warning is if the bundles are out of
sync (speed and latency wise) you will see very poor performance and
you are better off load balancing with a routing protocol and/or cef.

Ben

On 16/07/2008, at 2:13 PM, Edi Guntoro wrote:

 Dear ciscoers,
 Let's say we have a scenario to bring up multiple ppp for our
 customer to increase bandwidth to the internet.
 At the moment we only have access to the LNS, is it possible to have
 MMPPP for our customer, or is there something to do with the LAC?
 any reference?
 here is the layout:
 regards
 Igun


 u /-3.5g service---PPP---LAC---LNS1--|
 s/|
 ___internet
 e\|
 r \-cdma service--PPP---LAC---LNS2--|




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Re: [c-nsp] Total output drops - congestion ? - 7200-VXR

2008-07-16 Thread Brad Henshaw
Wilkinson, Alex wrote:

 can anyone recommed a tool to 'blast' this particular interface

TTCP with UDP traffic, best directed at a null-routed IP address on the
other side of that interface. 

Pay careful attention to the order of command-line parameters or weird
things will happen.

If you want bidirectional traffic and TCP is sufficient, iperf is much
nicer than TTCP.

Regards,
Brad
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Re: [c-nsp] Cisco MMPPP

2008-07-16 Thread Edi Guntoro


Thanks Ben, 
I understand now. Coz previously, regarding the user I though this is a single 
user with PC/notebook/windows dialing using two different wireless service... 
is it possible?
regards






- Original Message 
From: Ben Steele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Edi Guntoro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:21:27 PM
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Cisco MMPPP

i'm talking strictly between your LNS and your CPE here, if you find your MMPPP 
is giving poor performance due to physical differences between the 2 sessions 
(ie speed and latency), then try doing something a little more creative like 
multihopping both ppp sessions onto the one router and using (as you mentioned) 
cef per-destination load sharing over the 2 unique ppp sessions, or 
alternatively let a routing protocol handle the work and advertise part of your 
subnet out one link and part out the other with redundancy, or even GRE tunnels 
etc etc.. there are quite a few ways you can achieve the desired outcome, this 
is of course only if your mmppp fails.

Cheers

Ben


On 16/07/2008, at 4:11 PM, Edi Guntoro wrote:

Thanks Ben,
however what do you mean by better off load balancing with a routing protocol 
and/or cef ? is it disabling the load balancing? as I know this feature enable 
by default on routing protocol as long as they are equal admin distances.
And is it for traffic out to the internet or traffic coming to the customer ?
regards.
Edi





- Original Message 
From: Ben Steele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Edi Guntoro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Cisco MMPPP

the LAC is pretty irrelevant, you need to configure MMPPP capabilities  
on your LNS's, which means an sgbp group on your LNS's for the  
multichassis and ppp multilink under your virtual template for the  
MPPP side of things.

I noticed your topology is using 2 seperate wireless services to  
provide the bundle, one word of warning is if the bundles are out of  
sync (speed and latency wise) you will see very poor performance and  
you are better off load balancing with a routing protocol and/or cef.

Ben

On 16/07/2008, at 2:13 PM, Edi Guntoro wrote:

 Dear ciscoers,
 Let's say we have a scenario to bring up multiple ppp for our  
 customer to increase bandwidth to the internet.
 At the moment we only have access to the LNS, is it possible to have  
 MMPPP for our customer, or is there something to do with the LAC?
 any reference?
 here is the layout:
 regards
 Igun


 u /-3.5g service---PPP---LAC---LNS1--|
 s/| 
 ___internet
 e\|
 r \-cdma service--PPP---LAC---LNS2--|




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Re: [c-nsp] Cisco MMPPP

2008-07-16 Thread Ben Steele
Yes it's possible to have say windows do multilink ppp through 2  
seperate network devices, never tried it though so not sure how  
reliable their implementation of it is.


Ben

On 16/07/2008, at 5:12 PM, Edi Guntoro wrote:



Thanks Ben,
I understand now. Coz previously, regarding the user I though this  
is a single user with PC/notebook/windows dialing using two  
different wireless service... is it possible?

regards




- Original Message 
From: Ben Steele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Edi Guntoro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:21:27 PM
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Cisco MMPPP

i'm talking strictly between your LNS and your CPE here, if you find  
your MMPPP is giving poor performance due to physical differences  
between the 2 sessions (ie speed and latency), then try doing  
something a little more creative like multihopping both ppp sessions  
onto the one router and using (as you mentioned) cef per-destination  
load sharing over the 2 unique ppp sessions, or alternatively let a  
routing protocol handle the work and advertise part of your subnet  
out one link and part out the other with redundancy, or even GRE  
tunnels etc etc.. there are quite a few ways you can achieve the  
desired outcome, this is of course only if your mmppp fails.


Cheers

Ben

On 16/07/2008, at 4:11 PM, Edi Guntoro wrote:


Thanks Ben,
however what do you mean by better off load balancing with a  
routing protocol and/or cef ? is it disabling the load balancing?  
as I know this feature enable by default on routing protocol as  
long as they are equal admin distances.
And is it for traffic out to the internet or traffic coming to the  
customer ?

regards.
Edi



- Original Message 
From: Ben Steele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Edi Guntoro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Cisco MMPPP

the LAC is pretty irrelevant, you need to configure MMPPP  
capabilities

on your LNS's, which means an sgbp group on your LNS's for the
multichassis and ppp multilink under your virtual template for the
MPPP side of things.

I noticed your topology is using 2 seperate wireless services to
provide the bundle, one word of warning is if the bundles are out of
sync (speed and latency wise) you will see very poor performance and
you are better off load balancing with a routing protocol and/or cef.

Ben

On 16/07/2008, at 2:13 PM, Edi Guntoro wrote:

 Dear ciscoers,
 Let's say we have a scenario to bring up multiple ppp for our
 customer to increase bandwidth to the internet.
 At the moment we only have access to the LNS, is it possible to  
have

 MMPPP for our customer, or is there something to do with the LAC?
 any reference?
 here is the layout:
 regards
 Igun


 u /-3.5g service---PPP---LAC---LNS1--|
 s/|
 ___internet
 e\|
 r \-cdma service--PPP---LAC---LNS2--|




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[c-nsp] Three STM-1 on one Cisco 7200vxr-npeG1

2008-07-16 Thread Samit

Hi,

Is it recommended to run three STM-1 (PA-POS-1OC3)  on a single 
Cisco700vxr with NPE-G1 ?


Regards,
Samit
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Re: [c-nsp] 2621xm vs 1800?

2008-07-16 Thread Paul Cosgrove
There is a nice index including this and other similar product 
comparisions (switch performance, vpn performance etc.) at:-


http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/tools/quickreference/index.html

Paul.

Paul Stewart wrote:

Thanks... that's actually the document I was looking for ;)

Our theory to date on the issues with the 2621XM's is possibly the vendor
itself and the memory they have been using.  We have had a number of
problems with a particular batch of them purchased a while ago and the 3rd
party memory they are using specifically (we use 3rd party all the time with
great success normally).

Want to swap one of the sites that is having repeated issues and prove it's
in the router somewhere or in the next hop device (wireless backhaul).

Thanks,

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Paul Cosgrove [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:50 PM

To: Paul Stewart
Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] 2621xm vs 1800?

Very much an upgrade judging from the following table. More than double 
the PPS  Mbps for Fast/CEF switched packets:-


http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerp
erformance.pdf 



Would be interesting to know the cause of the issue though,

Paul.

Paul Stewart wrote:

Hi there...

We have some remote sites with 2621XM's running today.  These routers are
doing PPPOE termination primarily for 40-60 users.  The 2621XM is handling
the load just fine however we've been having random problems with them
lately and wanted to swap out the 2621XM for a different, more current

model

to see if the problem goes away (traffic just stops passing on the FE
interfaces after a few weeks - tried multiple IOS versions - happening at
several sites).

My question is whether or not an 1841 would be a downgrade or an upgrade

for

PPS and overall load?  Or should we just bite the bullet and get 2801's
instead?

Thanks,

Paul




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Re: [c-nsp] Shape an L3 interface to 100mbit

2008-07-16 Thread Stig Johansen
Hi again,

It may be a bit unclear, but on the 3560/3750-platform, you'll have to
do egress policing by manipulating the DSCP-values on input-interfaces
and tweaking the srr-queues on the output-interfaces.

The old 3550-platform supported egress policing via aggregate-policers,
a bit more logically and without the need for changing any values.

Best regards,
Stig Meireles Johansen

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Bales
Sent: 15. juli 2008 13:57
To: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: [c-nsp] Shape an L3 interface to 100mbit

Hey Guys,

 

I have a situation where my upstream is policing my connection to 100mb.
I
have a GigE interconnect to them, and we are currently connected at
1gb/full
duplex.  I have been requested to shape the traffic leaving our
interconnect
to 100mb so as to reduce the performance issues caused by packet loss
etc
caused by policing.

 

What is the easiest way to apply 100mb shaping to an L3 (no switchport)
interface on a 3560G?

 

The speed of this link could change in the near future (over the next
couple
of days) so I would prefer to use QoS rules to apply shaping to this
interface as opposed to forcing the interconnect to 100/Full (which
would be
of no use if the link changed to 250mb).

 

 

Regards,

K.

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Re: [c-nsp] Three STM-1 on one Cisco 7200vxr-npeG1

2008-07-16 Thread Garry

Samit wrote:

Hi,

Is it recommended to run three STM-1 (PA-POS-1OC3)  on a single 
Cisco700vxr with NPE-G1 ?


Technically, it is supported, as each of the two buses have 600 
bandwidth points, with an STM-1 interface taking up 300. Question is 
whether it might be recommendable to get a second router for redundancy 
reasons, e.g. if you are terminating several uplinks with that one 
router. If so, I'd advise against doing it all on one router ...


-garry
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Re: [c-nsp] The maximum number of match packets Cisco Router can detect on ACL at one time.

2008-07-16 Thread Rodney Dunn
If I remember correctly they are rate limited.

You should use netflow and match on ACL dst if of Null0 rather
than the log feature of the ACL's.

Rodney

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:31:26PM +0700, a. rahman isnaini r.sutan wrote:
 Hi charles,
 
 Depends on the engine processor.
 Our G1 can handle this, it just the router not shown on the log (we 
 saved to a syslog-ng server).
 
 
 rgs
 a. rahman isnaini r.sutan
 
 Church, Charles wrote:
 If the router is subject to enough traffic where thousands of ACL hits
 are happening per second, you DON'T want to have any entries of that ACL
 logging.  It's terrible for performance.
 
 Chuck
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of a. rahman
 isnaini r.sutan
 Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:05 PM
 To: Rodney Dunn
 Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
 Subject: Re: [c-nsp] The maximum number of match packets Cisco Router
 can detect on ACL at one time.
 
 
 Thanks Rodney.
 Other thing, though the ACL matches thousand of hits at once..
 The log couldn't show this (log buffere has been set to 4096 x 2)
 
 a. rahman isnaini r.sutan
 
 Rodney Dunn wrote:
 There is no limit to the number of times the ACL will match and drop.
 
 The counter depending on how it's defined in the code may wrap but
 that should never impact the ACL from matching and
 dropping/permitting.
 Rodney
 
 On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 06:08:03PM +0700, a. rahman isnaini r.sutan
 wrote:
 Hi,
 
 
 Might be some you have noted once, the maximum value (number) that
 Cisco 
 ACL can match let say flooding packets.
 Here : deny tcp any any eq 1434 (5732 matches) fro example.
 Since I have a problem with 7200 NPE G1, the huge traffic cannot be 
 detected  matched by ACL.
 
 thanks for share if you will.
 
 a. rahman isnaini r.sutan
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Re: [c-nsp] Cisco 2851 bug ?

2008-07-16 Thread Rodney Dunn
Yep. Done in CEF path.

Rodney

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 05:34:21PM +0100, Paul Cosgrove wrote:
 Hi Rodney,
 
 Is that safe to do even if the traffic rate and/or cpu is high?
 
 Looks like a nice feature.
 
 Paul.
 
 Rodney Dunn wrote:
 Or you could load the new 12.4(20)T and set up a packet capture
 on the punt path. ;)
 
 rtp-rodunn-871#monitor capture point ip process-switched test in ?
   cr
 
 rtp-rodunn-871#monitor capture point ip process-switched rodney in
 rtp-rodunn-871#mon
 rtp-rodunn-871#monitor cap
 rtp-rodunn-871#monitor capture buf
 rtp-rodunn-871#monitor capture buffer pakdump ?
   circular  Circular Buffer
   clear Clear contents of capture buffer
   exportExport in Pcap format
   filterConfigure filters
   limit Limit the packets dumped to the buffer
   linearLinear Buffer(Default)
   max-size  Maximum size of element in the buffer (in bytes)
   size  Packet Dump buffer size (in Kbytes)
   cr
 
 rtp-rodunn-871#monitor capture buffer pakdump 
 
 
 
 Start the capture and export it to pcap. ;)
 
 This is new functionality in 12.4(20)T so we've got some enhancements to
 add to it.
 
 Rodney
 
 On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 08:06:26AM +0200, Pavel Skovajsa wrote:
 Hi,
 IP Input spike is usually caused by abnormal 'IP input' traffic that
 gets punted into the RP from CEF for whatever reason.
 A very common cause is broadcast storm. You can see what what packet
 is holding the CPU with 'show buffers input interface fa0/1'. However
 you need to do this command during a real spike...
 
 Pavel
 
 On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Teller, Robert
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is anyone aware of a bug or configuration that could cause a sudden
 spike in IP input?
 
 uptime is 26 weeks, 3 days, 10 hours, 54 minutes
 System returned to ROM by reload at 01:40:08 PST Tue Jan 8 2008
 System restarted at 01:41:34 PST Tue Jan 8 2008
 System image file is flash:c2800nm-ipbasek9-mz.124-17a.bin
 Cisco 2851 (revision 53.51) with 251904K/10240K bytes of memory.
 
 PID Runtime(ms)   Invoked  uSecs   5Sec   1Min   5Min TTY Process
  66  125056   2917547 42  0.00%  0.00%  0.00%   0 CDP
 Protocol
  6728872876 373263867 77  0.08% 51.78% 47.36%   0 IP Input
 
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Re: [c-nsp] Total output drops - congestion ? - 7200-VXR

2008-07-16 Thread Rodney Dunn
What is the configuration of that interface and can you provide
a 'sh int' between two drop periods?

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 02:22:31PM +0800, Wilkinson, Alex wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I am having problems with a particular device going down every 3-4 days.
 The switchport for which this device is connected to is telling me it is
 having a lot of output drops e.g.
 
Input queue: 0/2000/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 
 13342805
 
 I 'suspect' that these output drops could be the root cause of the device
 attached to this port going down consistently.
 
 Question: Since 'output drops' seems to relate to interface congestion can
   anyone recommed a tool to 'blast' this particular interface in
   order to test {in,out}queues and congestion ?
 
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Re: [c-nsp] Three STM-1 on one Cisco 7200vxr-npeG1

2008-07-16 Thread Mark Tinka
On Wednesday 16 July 2008 18:10:00 Garry wrote:

 Technically, it is supported, as each of the two buses
 have 600 bandwidth points, with an STM-1 interface taking
 up 300. Question is whether it might be recommendable to
 get a second router for redundancy reasons, e.g. if you
 are terminating several uplinks with that one router. If
 so, I'd advise against doing it all on one router ...

If you can afford a second router, I agree with Garry.

Cheers,

Mark.


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Re: [c-nsp] Total output drops - congestion ? - 7200-VXR

2008-07-16 Thread Farhan Jaffer
Have you tried 'hold-queue ...' command. This may resolves your problem.


On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Wilkinson, Alex
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 I am having problems with a particular device going down every 3-4 days.
 The switchport for which this device is connected to is telling me it is
 having a lot of output drops e.g.

   Input queue: 0/2000/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 
 13342805

 I 'suspect' that these output drops could be the root cause of the device
 attached to this port going down consistently.

 Question: Since 'output drops' seems to relate to interface congestion can
  anyone recommed a tool to 'blast' this particular interface in
  order to test {in,out}queues and congestion ?

  -aW

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Re: [c-nsp] The maximum number of match packets Cisco Router can detect on ACL at one time.

2008-07-16 Thread a. rahman isnaini r.sutan
OK than, so Cisco Router has a limitation on plotting the maximum 
hits/matches on ACL to a raw log.

Thanks Rodney.

a. rahman isnaini r.sutan

Rodney Dunn wrote:

If I remember correctly they are rate limited.

You should use netflow and match on ACL dst if of Null0 rather
than the log feature of the ACL's.

Rodney

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:31:26PM +0700, a. rahman isnaini r.sutan wrote:

Hi charles,

Depends on the engine processor.
Our G1 can handle this, it just the router not shown on the log (we 
saved to a syslog-ng server).



rgs
a. rahman isnaini r.sutan

Church, Charles wrote:

If the router is subject to enough traffic where thousands of ACL hits
are happening per second, you DON'T want to have any entries of that ACL
logging.  It's terrible for performance.

Chuck

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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isnaini r.sutan
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:05 PM
To: Rodney Dunn
Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] The maximum number of match packets Cisco Router
can detect on ACL at one time.


Thanks Rodney.
Other thing, though the ACL matches thousand of hits at once..
The log couldn't show this (log buffere has been set to 4096 x 2)

a. rahman isnaini r.sutan

Rodney Dunn wrote:

There is no limit to the number of times the ACL will match and drop.

The counter depending on how it's defined in the code may wrap but
that should never impact the ACL from matching and

dropping/permitting.

Rodney

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 06:08:03PM +0700, a. rahman isnaini r.sutan

wrote:

Hi,


Might be some you have noted once, the maximum value (number) that
Cisco 

ACL can match let say flooding packets.
Here : deny tcp any any eq 1434 (5732 matches) fro example.
Since I have a problem with 7200 NPE G1, the huge traffic cannot be 
detected  matched by ACL.


thanks for share if you will.

a. rahman isnaini r.sutan
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Re: [c-nsp] bandwidth points table (former Three STM-1 on one Cisco 7200vxr-npeG1)

2008-07-16 Thread Andrey Oleinik
Gentlemen,
Saying about Cisco it's very new and interesting matrices for me (I mean 
bus/interface bandwidth points).
Is this info available publicly?
Thank U
--
Respect,  Andy Oleynik

...
andyo  Is it recommended to run three STM-1 (PA-POS-1OC3)  on a single
andyo  Cisco700vxr with NPE-G1 ?
andyo
andyo Technically, it is supported, as each of the two buses have 600
andyo bandwidth points, with an STM-1 interface taking up 300. Question
andyo is
andyo whether it might be recommendable to get a second router for
andyo redundancy
andyo reasons, e.g. if you are terminating several uplinks with that one
andyo router. If so, I'd advise against doing it all on one router ...
...
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Re: [c-nsp] bandwidth points table (former Three STM-1 on one Cisco 7200vxr-npeG1)

2008-07-16 Thread Mathias Spoerr
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/routers/ps341/prod_presentation09186a008009184d.pdf


Regards,
Mathias



From:
Andrey Oleinik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Garry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Date:
16.07.2008 15:00
Subject:
Re: [c-nsp] bandwidth points table (former Three STM-1 on one Cisco 
7200vxr-npeG1)



Gentlemen,
Saying about Cisco it's very new and interesting matrices for me (I mean 
bus/interface bandwidth points).
Is this info available publicly?
Thank U
--
Respect,  Andy Oleynik

...
andyo  Is it recommended to run three STM-1 (PA-POS-1OC3)  on a single
andyo  Cisco700vxr with NPE-G1 ?
andyo
andyo Technically, it is supported, as each of the two buses have 600
andyo bandwidth points, with an STM-1 interface taking up 300. Question
andyo is
andyo whether it might be recommendable to get a second router for
andyo redundancy
andyo reasons, e.g. if you are terminating several uplinks with that one
andyo router. If so, I'd advise against doing it all on one router ...
...
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[c-nsp] ASA connectivity issues

2008-07-16 Thread Eric Gauthier
Hello,

We've had an ASA5500 online for about two years providing 
VPN services for wireless users on our campus (v8.0(3)).  
Starting over the weekend, we've encountered a problem 
where users can connect and authenticate, but traffic isn't 
passing through the box (i.e. client side show transmit data
but nothing received back).  Moreover, it appears to come 
and go in two ways.  First, if your client connects and
you wait long enough (~10 - 20 mins), traffic magically
starts flowing.  Second, the issue in general seems to
disappear over night, which is leading us to think that
its some sort of new client (iphone maybe?) in the
field but Cisco is saying that they haven't heard any
reports of this type of issue.

The last time we made a configuration change was in April,
so we're at a loss for what might be causing this.  We've 
had a TAC case open for a few days, but they haven't made 
much progress.  

Is anyone else seeing similar behavoir?

Eric :)
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Re: [c-nsp] Three STM-1 on one Cisco 7200vxr-npeG1

2008-07-16 Thread Justin M. Streiner

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Samit wrote:

Is it recommended to run three STM-1 (PA-POS-1OC3)  on a single Cisco700vxr 
with NPE-G1 ?


Could it be done?  Yes, but I wouldn't expect to see good performance if 
you try to move anything approaching line-rate traffic on those interfaces.


jms
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Re: [c-nsp] Three STM-1 on one Cisco 7200vxr-npeG1

2008-07-16 Thread Arie Vayner (avayner)
Samit,

Take a look at the Jacket Card. It would help to extend the bandwidth
point limitation:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/routers/7200/install_and_upgrade/port_ad
apter_jacket_card_install/8427J.html

Arie 

-Original Message-
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Hi,

Is it recommended to run three STM-1 (PA-POS-1OC3)  on a single
Cisco700vxr with NPE-G1 ?

Regards,
Samit
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Re: [c-nsp] Total output drops - congestion ? - 7200-VXR

2008-07-16 Thread David Freedman
It is inadvisable to increase the output hold-queue as far as I am
aware, this could cause packets to be delayed on egress which could
cause TCP timeouts.

Dave.

Farhan Jaffer wrote:
 Have you tried 'hold-queue ...' command. This may resolves your problem.
 
 
 On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Wilkinson, Alex
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 I am having problems with a particular device going down every 3-4 days.
 The switchport for which this device is connected to is telling me it is
 having a lot of output drops e.g.

   Input queue: 0/2000/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 
 13342805

 I 'suspect' that these output drops could be the root cause of the device
 attached to this port going down consistently.

 Question: Since 'output drops' seems to relate to interface congestion can
  anyone recommed a tool to 'blast' this particular interface in
  order to test {in,out}queues and congestion ?

  -aW

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[c-nsp] Can an AS5350 route ISDN calls to ISDN?

2008-07-16 Thread Andreas Sikkema
Hi,

We're using a Cisco AS5350 as a SIP - ISDN PRI gateway. Normally we 
route calls from the incoming ISDN line to a SIP server (and vice versa). 
Currently we're wondering if we can route calls coming in from a specific 
ISDN line to another ISDN line directly without having to go through a SIP 
server. 

I've searched using Google and some pages suggest that these gateways can 
only route from ISDN to VoIP or vice versa. From 
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk652/tk90/technologies_tech_note09186a008010fed1.shtml
 
I learned a lot more about which dialpeer is matched, but not whether 
there's a preference against routing calls from ISDN to ISDN directly or 
that it's fully supported. 

Does anyone have experience either way? Pointers to relevant documents? 

-- 
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Service Specialist Voice
Unet BV, Almere, the Netherlands
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Re: [c-nsp] Total output drops - congestion ? - 7200-VXR

2008-07-16 Thread Rolf Mendelsohn
Hi Guys,

This really depends on the speed of the Interface and what is connected on the 
other side.

We had a Serial Satellite link of 5M, which was never running higher than 
4.5M - due to regular bursty traffic.

After increasing the queue (fair-queue 320 256 0) the link now does about 
4.9M, without drops  without any significant increase in latency.

I guess the default WFQ size might be a bit small for some links.
I also think that hold-queue is only relevant if you are using FIFO queuing.

Alternatively WRR queuing could help.

cheers
/rolf

On Wednesday 16 July 2008 16:41:15 David Freedman wrote:
 It is inadvisable to increase the output hold-queue as far as I am
 aware, this could cause packets to be delayed on egress which could
 cause TCP timeouts.

 Dave.

 Farhan Jaffer wrote:
  Have you tried 'hold-queue ...' command. This may resolves your problem.
 
 
  On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Wilkinson, Alex
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I am having problems with a particular device going down every 3-4 days.
  The switchport for which this device is connected to is telling me it is
  having a lot of output drops e.g.
 
Input queue: 0/2000/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops:
  13342805
 
  I 'suspect' that these output drops could be the root cause of the
  device attached to this port going down consistently.
 
  Question: Since 'output drops' seems to relate to interface congestion
  can anyone recommed a tool to 'blast' this particular interface in order
  to test {in,out}queues and congestion ?
 
   -aW
 
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Re: [c-nsp] Can an AS5350 route ISDN calls to ISDN?

2008-07-16 Thread Alex Balashov

Andreas Sikkema wrote:

We're using a Cisco AS5350 as a SIP - ISDN PRI gateway. Normally we 
route calls from the incoming ISDN line to a SIP server (and vice versa). 
Currently we're wondering if we can route calls coming in from a specific 
ISDN line to another ISDN line directly without having to go through a SIP 
server. 


The answer is yes.

What it *cannot* do is hairpin VoIP calls (in VoIP, out VoIP).  But it 
can cross-connect TDM.


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[c-nsp] configurations

2008-07-16 Thread Raul Lopez Nevot
Hello,
anybody having a AS5350 with PRI(s) and asterisk running for
incoming/outgoing calls between SIP and ISDN/Analog is willing to post
as5350 config and asterisk config?

just to get straight to the core...
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Re: [c-nsp] configurations

2008-07-16 Thread Alex Balashov

On Wed, July 16, 2008 5:53 pm, Raul Lopez Nevot wrote:

 Hello,
 anybody having a AS5350 with PRI(s) and asterisk running for
 incoming/outgoing calls between SIP and ISDN/Analog is willing to post
 as5350 config and asterisk config?

All the configs I have are rather lengthy (for AS5300s and 5400s) as they
involve considerable routing complexity.

Is there some specific question you have, or are you trying to arrive at
a holistic sense of how to configure such a gateway to front Asterisk?
I'd like to get you the relevant subset of the config that distills it
down to what you're looking for.

-- Alex

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[c-nsp] Cisco 2651XM and NM

2008-07-16 Thread Jason Berenson

Greetings,

So, according to this at table 3:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/routers/ps259/product_data_sheet09186a00801aa71c.html

the NM-2FE are not supported on the 2651XM.  Any idea as to how I could 
get 3 FE ports on a 2651XM?  I don't need anywhere near line speed but 
need the link to sync up at 100M full duplex.  If not I guess I'll have 
to just get a 2691.  :(


Thanks,
Jason
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Re: [c-nsp] Cisco 2651XM and NM

2008-07-16 Thread Doug McIntyre
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:56:37PM -0400, Jason Berenson wrote:
 So, according to this at table 3:
 
 http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/routers/ps259/product_data_sheet09186a00801aa71c.html
 
 the NM-2FE are not supported on the 2651XM.  Any idea as to how I could get 
 3 FE ports on a 2651XM?  I don't need anywhere near line speed but need the 
 link to sync up at 100M full duplex.  If not I guess I'll have to just get 
 a 2691.  :(

Right, anything with a LAN port on an NM card isn't supported in a
26xx(plain or XM) (with the 2691 excepted, maybe they should have
called it the 3610 or something.. :).

There's the NM-16ESW which would fit into the 2651XM and function as
one more FE port with 16 switch ports behind it.

I personally would swap out the chassis for a 3640, which gives you a
little more CPU than the 2651XM, and you can fit alot more cards/ports 
into it.
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Re: [c-nsp] Cisco 2651XM and NM

2008-07-16 Thread Jason Berenson

Doug,

The only issue is the XM is not EOL and the 3640 is, I think.  I may be 
able to dig up a 3640 in my office, if not I'll probably go with a 2691.


-Jason

Doug McIntyre wrote:

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 06:56:37PM -0400, Jason Berenson wrote:
  

So, according to this at table 3:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/routers/ps259/product_data_sheet09186a00801aa71c.html

the NM-2FE are not supported on the 2651XM.  Any idea as to how I could get 
3 FE ports on a 2651XM?  I don't need anywhere near line speed but need the 
link to sync up at 100M full duplex.  If not I guess I'll have to just get 
a 2691.  :(



Right, anything with a LAN port on an NM card isn't supported in a
26xx(plain or XM) (with the 2691 excepted, maybe they should have
called it the 3610 or something.. :).

There's the NM-16ESW which would fit into the 2651XM and function as
one more FE port with 16 switch ports behind it.

I personally would swap out the chassis for a 3640, which gives you a
little more CPU than the 2651XM, and you can fit alot more cards/ports 
into it.
  

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Re: [c-nsp] Total output drops - congestion ? - 7200-VXR

2008-07-16 Thread Wilkinson, Alex
0n Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 07:28:05AM -0400, Rodney Dunn wrote: 

What is the configuration of that interface and can you provide
a 'sh int' between two drop periods?

From 'running-config'

   interface FastEthernet4/10
   no snmp trap link-status

From 'show int FastEthernet4/10'

  FastEthernet4/10 is up, line protocol is up (connected)
  Hardware is Fast Ethernet Port, address is 0009.e85e.9879 (bia 0009.e85e.9879)
  MTU 1500 bytes, BW 1 Kbit, DLY 100 usec, 
 reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 1/255
  Encapsulation ARPA, loopback not set
  Keepalive set (10 sec)
  Half-duplex, 10Mb/s
  input flow-control is unsupported output flow-control is unsupported 
  ARP type: ARPA, ARP Timeout 04:00:00
  Last input never, output never, output hang never
  Last clearing of show interface counters 18:17:11
  Input queue: 0/2000/0/0 (size/max/drops/flushes); Total output drops: 118
  Queueing strategy: fifo
  Output queue: 0/40 (size/max)
  5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
  5 minute output rate 1000 bits/sec, 2 packets/sec
 7 packets input, 524 bytes, 0 no buffer
 Received 0 broadcasts (0 multicast)
 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
 0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored
 0 input packets with dribble condition detected
 136771 packets output, 13580522 bytes, 0 underruns
 1 output errors, 0 collisions, 0 interface resets
 0 babbles, 0 late collision, 0 deferred
 0 lost carrier, 0 no carrier
 0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out

You will note that it is Half-duplex, 10Mb/s. That is no mistake since the
device that is connected to this switch-port is only capable of 10Mb/s.

I did a 'clear counters FastEthernet4/10' yesterday and came in this morning
to find our ATM link was down again and Total output drops up to 118.

I then reboot the device that is connected to this switch-port and volia, ATM 
link
comes up and EIGRP neighbour adjacency reforms.

Not sure how to verify if congestion is the root cause of this re-occuring
problem.

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[c-nsp] NAT and hairpin's

2008-07-16 Thread Geyer, Nick
Hi Everyone,

 

Just wondering if anyone has come up with a way to hairpin traffic using
a Cisco router? The problem is as follows;

 

Say for example I have a router connecting to the Internet and an
internal LAN doing normal NA, e.g;

 

203.1.2.3 - ROUTER - 192.168.1.0/24 (203.1.2.3 being the public IP on
the outside interface)

 

I have an application that talks from clients on the Internet to an
internal server (192.168.1.1), with the appropriate static NAT's setup
on the router to forward the traffic. The problem is the internal
clients also need to talk to the server but on the public IP address
(203.1.2.3). The traffic from the internal clients will hit the router
but it wont translate and forward the traffic because its coming from
the inside interface (and the static NAT only works for requests from
the outside interface).

 

I don't believe it can be done but just thought I would ask in case
anyone has come up with a weird and wonderful way.

 

Cheers,

 

Nick Geyer.

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Re: [c-nsp] NAT and hairpin's

2008-07-16 Thread Marc Archer
Hi Nick,

We had the same problem at work and used DNS to get around it. The only
solution we found was to have an second internal DNS that would resolv to
the internal IP so that both internal and external users could access the
server from a common DNS name.

Marc.

2008/7/17 Geyer, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi Everyone,



 Just wondering if anyone has come up with a way to hairpin traffic using
 a Cisco router? The problem is as follows;



 Say for example I have a router connecting to the Internet and an
 internal LAN doing normal NA, e.g;



 203.1.2.3 - ROUTER - 192.168.1.0/24 (203.1.2.3 being the public IP on
 the outside interface)



 I have an application that talks from clients on the Internet to an
 internal server (192.168.1.1), with the appropriate static NAT's setup
 on the router to forward the traffic. The problem is the internal
 clients also need to talk to the server but on the public IP address
 (203.1.2.3). The traffic from the internal clients will hit the router
 but it wont translate and forward the traffic because its coming from
 the inside interface (and the static NAT only works for requests from
 the outside interface).



 I don't believe it can be done but just thought I would ask in case
 anyone has come up with a weird and wonderful way.



 Cheers,



 Nick Geyer.

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Re: [c-nsp] NAT and hairpin's

2008-07-16 Thread Ben Steele

This is where dns doctoring on the asa/pix really comes in handy!

Split dns is usually the way to go but I had another thought, can you  
put the public 203 address as an alias on the server and then setup a  
policy route-map on your lan interface to match packets with a  
destination of your server and port say something like  permit tcp  
LAN host 203.1.2.3 eq 80 then put a set ip next-hop SERVER LAN IP



On 17/07/2008, at 2:46 PM, Geyer, Nick wrote:


Hi Everyone,



Just wondering if anyone has come up with a way to hairpin traffic  
using

a Cisco router? The problem is as follows;



Say for example I have a router connecting to the Internet and an
internal LAN doing normal NA, e.g;



203.1.2.3 - ROUTER - 192.168.1.0/24 (203.1.2.3 being the public IP  
on

the outside interface)



I have an application that talks from clients on the Internet to an
internal server (192.168.1.1), with the appropriate static NAT's setup
on the router to forward the traffic. The problem is the internal
clients also need to talk to the server but on the public IP address
(203.1.2.3). The traffic from the internal clients will hit the router
but it wont translate and forward the traffic because its coming from
the inside interface (and the static NAT only works for requests  
from

the outside interface).



I don't believe it can be done but just thought I would ask in case
anyone has come up with a weird and wonderful way.



Cheers,



Nick Geyer.

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Re: [c-nsp] NAT and hairpin's

2008-07-16 Thread Geyer, Nick
Hi Marc,

 

That's what I usually do as well.

 

In this scenario though an internal DNS server is not an option as all
traffic is by IP address not hostname. Its got me stumped and I know
Cisco used to say it was not possible, but am just wondering if there is
anything new that could be used/manipulated to do this.

 

Cheers

 



From: Marc Archer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 17 July 2008 3:25 PM
To: Geyer, Nick
Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] NAT and hairpin's

 

Hi Nick,

We had the same problem at work and used DNS to get around it. The only
solution we found was to have an second internal DNS that would resolv
to the internal IP so that both internal and external users could access
the server from a common DNS name.

Marc.

2008/7/17 Geyer, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Hi Everyone,



Just wondering if anyone has come up with a way to hairpin traffic using
a Cisco router? The problem is as follows;



Say for example I have a router connecting to the Internet and an
internal LAN doing normal NA, e.g;



203.1.2.3 - ROUTER - 192.168.1.0/24 (203.1.2.3 being the public IP on
the outside interface)



I have an application that talks from clients on the Internet to an
internal server (192.168.1.1), with the appropriate static NAT's setup
on the router to forward the traffic. The problem is the internal
clients also need to talk to the server but on the public IP address
(203.1.2.3). The traffic from the internal clients will hit the router
but it wont translate and forward the traffic because its coming from
the inside interface (and the static NAT only works for requests from
the outside interface).



I don't believe it can be done but just thought I would ask in case
anyone has come up with a weird and wonderful way.



Cheers,



Nick Geyer.

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