[c-nsp] ASR A9K-8T-L certain ports limited to 8 Gbps.

2013-11-19 Thread bas
Dear All,

We have a stubborn problem with one of our ASR9Ks.
A couple of upstream ports are limited to 8Gbps egress traffic, while
others are not affected.

It is a 9010 chassis with two RSP-4Gs, and eight A9K-8T-L cards.
Of every card the first three ports are used for upstream (egress traffic),
and the following five ports are configured for downstream (ingress)

There is no specific QoS configured on either side.

The RSPs are running 4.2.3.
We've swapped both RSPs, and several linecards, however nothing seems to
change the behaviour.

rrd graph here http://imgur.com/Td4KSGB

Has anyone had experience with a situation like this?

Thanks,

Bas
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Re: [c-nsp] Possible split horizon issue with bgp signalled vpls

2013-11-19 Thread Nick Ryce
Hi Jason,

CSCuh05321 says it is fixed in the S1 release so would that not mean that it is 
also in S1a?

Nick


On 19 Nov 2013, at 03:50, Jason Lixfeld 
ja...@lixfeld.camailto:ja...@lixfeld.ca wrote:

Just be mindful of CSCuh05321 if you are going to try S1a.  If you think you 
might hit that, I'd suggest moving to static vpls and skip that release until 
it's fixed.

Also, with S1a, look at CSCtl54835 and verify or else your isis adjacencies 
will break.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Nick Ryce 
n...@fluency.net.ukmailto:n...@fluency.net.uk wrote:

Just found 1 switch on 15.3(2)S so may be worth a punt and upgrade

Nick
On 19 Nov 2013, at 02:02, Jason Lixfeld 
ja...@lixfeld.camailto:ja...@lixfeld.ca wrote:

Issues I was having with BGP signalled VPLS a couple of months ago in 15.3(2)S1 
resulted in filing CSCui46390.  I'd otherwise suggest trying 15.3(3)S1a to see 
fix works, but that version seems to have introduced CSCuh05321, so I think 
that might end badly for you; it did for me :(

On Nov 18, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Nick Ryce 
n...@fluency.net.ukmailto:n...@fluency.net.uk wrote:

Hi,

I’m tearing my hair out with this one and can’t figure out how to resolve it.

I have 3 switches that have a BGP signalled VPLS with customer routers hanging 
off the end of all 3 ( one switch has 2 cpe )

All have the RD 56595:4 and RT 56595:4

All pseudo wires are up between the switches with config snippets below:-

Switch 1

VFI name: FLVPLS004, state: up, type: multipoint, signaling: BGP
VPN ID: 4, VE-ID: 3, VE-SIZE: 10
RD: 56595:4, RT: 56595:4, 56595:4
Bridge-Domain 903 attachment circuits:
  Vlan903
Neighbors connected via pseudowires:
Interface  Peer AddressVE-ID  Local Label  Remote LabelS
pseudowire100033   46.226.0.9  2  402  39  Y
pseudowire100037   46.226.0.14 1  401  49  Y

This switch has 1 cpe with any vlan tags stripped and can ping all devices on 
the other switches


Switch 2

VFI name: FLVPLS004, state: up, type: multipoint, signaling: BGP
VPN ID: 4, VE-ID: 1, VE-SIZE: 10
RD: 56595:4, RT: 56595:4, 56595:4
Bridge-Domain 11 attachment circuits:
  Vlan11
Neighbors connected via pseudowires:
Interface  Peer AddressVE-ID  Local Label  Remote LabelS
pseudowire100015   46.226.0.12 3  49   401 Y
pseudowire100018   46.226.0.9  2  48   37  Y

This switch has 2 cpe’s with any vlan tags stripped.  They can ping each other 
and the device connected to switch 1 but cannot ping device on switch 3

Switch 3

VFI name: FLVPLS004, state: up, type: multipoint, signaling: BGP
VPN ID: 4, VE-ID: 2, VE-SIZE: 10
RD: 56595:4, RT: 56595:4, 56595:4
Bridge-Domain 4 attachment circuits:
  Vlan4
Neighbors connected via pseudowires:
Interface  Peer AddressVE-ID  Local Label  Remote LabelS
pseudowire100028   46.226.0.12 3  39   402 Y
pseudowire100027   46.226.0.14 1  37   28  Y

This switch has 1 cpe device connected with any vlan tags stripped and can only 
ping the device on switch 1


Each switch can see all the correct mac addresses.

It sounds like split horizon but I assumed this was only to do with the local 
switch?

All devices are running 15.3(3)S

Any help much appreciated.

Nick




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Re: [c-nsp] [j-nsp] NTP Sources placement in MPLS network

2013-11-19 Thread Yham
Thanks Jared. I am planning deploy ntp source that will point to global NTP.

I am curious to know where service provider with mpls network position the
NTP?  Any best practices ?

Regards


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote:

 In this case you can sync to any other device or devices that are globally
 reachable.  Typically you can just use some IP that doesn’t often change,
 e.g.: loopback.  If you are running 100% of the network, you can also use
 the ‘ntp broadcast’ and similar interface commands to listen/send this data
 hop-by-hop.

 There’s lots of ways to do this, and not necessarily a ‘wrong’ way.

 - Jared

 On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Yham yhamee...@gmail.com wrote:

  Thank Jared,
 
  NTP is only needed to synchronize the logs so on event of failure, logs
 from related devices can be correlated.
 
  Thanks
 
 
 
  On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net
 wrote:
  This all depends on what you need the clocking for.
 
  If you want just generic time for accurate logs?
 
  Depending on what you want to do, there's cheap NTP clocks like this:
 
  http://www.netburnerstore.com/product_p/pk70ex-ntp.htm
 
  For about $350 (including S/H in the US) you get a GPS clock.  With the
 right location/antenna you can get signal through some roofs.
 
  There's a variety of higher-end timing options depending on what you
 need.
 
  - Jared
 
  On Nov 18, 2013, at 2:33 PM, Yham yhamee...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi Guys,
 
 
  In a SP environment where there are hundreds of PEs and P devices that
 got
  hundreds of customers VRFs, what is the best place to connect NTP
 sources.
  The place i can think of is connecting with VPNv4 Route Reflectors
 because
  they exist on top of hierarchy and so clock can travel downward from RR
 to
  PEs and P and from PEs to CEs and further down if required.
 
  Any thoughts on this please.
 
  Regards
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Re: [c-nsp] [j-nsp] NTP Sources placement in MPLS network

2013-11-19 Thread Jared Mauch
We have servers in each location with NTP synced to local stratum 1 or 2 
clocks. Customers are given an anycast ip that points to these for time 
sources. We configure routers to point at these local sources. 

Jared Mauch

 On Nov 19, 2013, at 6:53 AM, Yham yhamee...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks Jared. I am planning deploy ntp source that will point to global NTP.
 
 I am curious to know where service provider with mpls network position the 
 NTP?  Any best practices ?
 
 Regards
 
 
 On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote:
 In this case you can sync to any other device or devices that are globally 
 reachable.  Typically you can just use some IP that doesn’t often change, 
 e.g.: loopback.  If you are running 100% of the network, you can also use 
 the ‘ntp broadcast’ and similar interface commands to listen/send this data 
 hop-by-hop.
 
 There’s lots of ways to do this, and not necessarily a ‘wrong’ way.
 
 - Jared
 
 On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Yham yhamee...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Thank Jared,
 
  NTP is only needed to synchronize the logs so on event of failure, logs 
  from related devices can be correlated.
 
  Thanks
 
 
 
  On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote:
  This all depends on what you need the clocking for.
 
  If you want just generic time for accurate logs?
 
  Depending on what you want to do, there's cheap NTP clocks like this:
 
  http://www.netburnerstore.com/product_p/pk70ex-ntp.htm
 
  For about $350 (including S/H in the US) you get a GPS clock.  With the 
  right location/antenna you can get signal through some roofs.
 
  There's a variety of higher-end timing options depending on what you need.
 
  - Jared
 
  On Nov 18, 2013, at 2:33 PM, Yham yhamee...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi Guys,
 
 
  In a SP environment where there are hundreds of PEs and P devices that got
  hundreds of customers VRFs, what is the best place to connect NTP sources.
  The place i can think of is connecting with VPNv4 Route Reflectors because
  they exist on top of hierarchy and so clock can travel downward from RR to
  PEs and P and from PEs to CEs and further down if required.
 
  Any thoughts on this please.
 
  Regards
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Re: [c-nsp] Possible split horizon issue with bgp signalled vpls

2013-11-19 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
That's what I was about to ask as the CSCuh05321 is actually listed under
15.3(3)S caveats not under 15.3(3)S1a so I'd assume it is resolved in S1a
already right? 

adam
-Original Message-
From: cisco-nsp [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Nick
Ryce
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:14 PM
To: Jason Lixfeld
Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Possible split horizon issue with bgp signalled vpls

Hi Jason,

CSCuh05321 says it is fixed in the S1 release so would that not mean that it
is also in S1a?

Nick


On 19 Nov 2013, at 03:50, Jason Lixfeld
ja...@lixfeld.camailto:ja...@lixfeld.ca wrote:

Just be mindful of CSCuh05321 if you are going to try S1a.  If you think you
might hit that, I'd suggest moving to static vpls and skip that release
until it's fixed.

Also, with S1a, look at CSCtl54835 and verify or else your isis adjacencies
will break.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 18, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Nick Ryce
n...@fluency.net.ukmailto:n...@fluency.net.uk wrote:

Just found 1 switch on 15.3(2)S so may be worth a punt and upgrade

Nick
On 19 Nov 2013, at 02:02, Jason Lixfeld
ja...@lixfeld.camailto:ja...@lixfeld.ca wrote:

Issues I was having with BGP signalled VPLS a couple of months ago in
15.3(2)S1 resulted in filing CSCui46390.  I'd otherwise suggest trying
15.3(3)S1a to see fix works, but that version seems to have introduced
CSCuh05321, so I think that might end badly for you; it did for me :(

On Nov 18, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Nick Ryce
n...@fluency.net.ukmailto:n...@fluency.net.uk wrote:

Hi,

I'm tearing my hair out with this one and can't figure out how to resolve
it.

I have 3 switches that have a BGP signalled VPLS with customer routers
hanging off the end of all 3 ( one switch has 2 cpe )

All have the RD 56595:4 and RT 56595:4

All pseudo wires are up between the switches with config snippets below:-

Switch 1

VFI name: FLVPLS004, state: up, type: multipoint, signaling: BGP VPN ID: 4,
VE-ID: 3, VE-SIZE: 10
RD: 56595:4, RT: 56595:4, 56595:4
Bridge-Domain 903 attachment circuits:
  Vlan903
Neighbors connected via pseudowires:
Interface  Peer AddressVE-ID  Local Label  Remote LabelS
pseudowire100033   46.226.0.9  2  402  39  Y
pseudowire100037   46.226.0.14 1  401  49  Y

This switch has 1 cpe with any vlan tags stripped and can ping all devices
on the other switches


Switch 2

VFI name: FLVPLS004, state: up, type: multipoint, signaling: BGP VPN ID: 4,
VE-ID: 1, VE-SIZE: 10
RD: 56595:4, RT: 56595:4, 56595:4
Bridge-Domain 11 attachment circuits:
  Vlan11
Neighbors connected via pseudowires:
Interface  Peer AddressVE-ID  Local Label  Remote LabelS
pseudowire100015   46.226.0.12 3  49   401 Y
pseudowire100018   46.226.0.9  2  48   37  Y

This switch has 2 cpe's with any vlan tags stripped.  They can ping each
other and the device connected to switch 1 but cannot ping device on switch
3

Switch 3

VFI name: FLVPLS004, state: up, type: multipoint, signaling: BGP VPN ID: 4,
VE-ID: 2, VE-SIZE: 10
RD: 56595:4, RT: 56595:4, 56595:4
Bridge-Domain 4 attachment circuits:
  Vlan4
Neighbors connected via pseudowires:
Interface  Peer AddressVE-ID  Local Label  Remote LabelS
pseudowire100028   46.226.0.12 3  39   402 Y
pseudowire100027   46.226.0.14 1  37   28  Y

This switch has 1 cpe device connected with any vlan tags stripped and can
only ping the device on switch 1


Each switch can see all the correct mac addresses.

It sounds like split horizon but I assumed this was only to do with the
local switch?

All devices are running 15.3(3)S

Any help much appreciated.

Nick




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[c-nsp] Catalyst 6500: IPv6-enabled SVIs

2013-11-19 Thread Vladimir Troitskiy
Hello,

I apologize for talk with myself but I found the reason of that hardware
TCAM label capacity issue was ipv6 multicast-routing:

Cat6500#sh tcam counts ipv6
Used Free Reserved
  
Labels:(in) 160 352
Labels:(eg) 5 507

Cat6500#conf t
Enter configuration commands, one per line. End with CNTL/Z.
Cat6500(config)#no ipv6 multicast-routing
Cat6500(config)#end

Cat6500#sh tcam counts ipv6
Used Free Reserved
  
Labels:(in) 11 501
Labels:(eg) 5 507

There is the following statement in the Implementing IPv6 Multicast for
IOS 
15.0SYhttp://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/ios-xml/ios/ipv6/configuration/15-0sy/ip6-multicast.html
:
On Cisco Catalyst 6500 and Cisco 7600 series routers, the ipv6
multicast-routing also must be enabled in order to use IPv6 unicast
routing.

I disabled ipv6 multicast-routing on test box with 12.2 SXJ3 and did some
quick tests - IPv6 works without any issues. May be I missed something or
it will not work with 15.0.

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Re: [c-nsp] ASR 901 EoMPLS

2013-11-19 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
Hi  folks
Is the 901 that different form 903
As on 903 it is possible to accomplish the below config on 15.3(2)S1a 
(03.09.01a.S)

adam
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From: cisco-nsp [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Pshem 
Kowalczyk
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 7:43 PM
To: Fredrik Vöcks
Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] ASR 901 EoMPLS

Hi,

The only way we could get the L2 forwarding going on ASR901 was using a single 
service instance with encapsulation default (this only works in newest 
software):

interface GigabitEthernet0/8
 no ip address
 negotiation auto
 no keepalive
 service instance 1 ethernet
  encapsulation default
  l2protocol forward
  xconnect 10.123.129.3 34322 encapsulation mpls
   mtu 9000


kind regards
Pshem


On 19 November 2013 02:11, Fredrik Vöcks fredrik.vo...@bredband2.se wrote:
 Hi all,

 We are having a customer who says he can't forward BPDU packets over 
 an portbased EoMPLS using an ASR 901.

 Is this something known or am I missing something? Relevant 
 configuration;

 interface TenGigabitEthernet0/1
  description c_customer433231
  no keepalive
  xconnect x.x.x.x 1730 encapsulation mpls

 /F
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Re: [c-nsp] Catalyst 6500: IPv6-enabled SVIs

2013-11-19 Thread Gert Doering
Hi,

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 06:36:00PM +0600, Vladimir Troitskiy wrote:
 There is the following statement in the Implementing IPv6 Multicast for
 IOS 
 15.0SYhttp://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/ios-xml/ios/ipv6/configuration/15-0sy/ip6-multicast.html
 :
 On Cisco Catalyst 6500 and Cisco 7600 series routers, the ipv6
 multicast-routing also must be enabled in order to use IPv6 unicast
 routing.

What?

None of my boxes has ipv6 multicast-routing enabled, and it's quite lucky
they all do not know that this is a prerequisite for IPv6 unicast :-)

(And I'm not enabling IPv6 multicast-routing because I don't like living
that close to the edge - and nobody needs that over here anyway, we've
just turned off our IPv4 multicast-routing after some 10 years of non-use)

gert
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Re: [c-nsp] Possible split horizon issue with bgp signalled vpls

2013-11-19 Thread Adam Vitkovsky
 Just found 1 switch on 15.3(2)S so may be worth a punt and upgrade

 Nick

Is that device switch3 (veid 2)?
As that seems to be the only one with issues

adam

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[c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread Christina Klam
Jeff,

We have been running 6.2(2) since the summer.  In the last six months, I
had to return some third-party Cisco compatible twinax cables because
they were Invalid on our M2s.  And, I just had to swap out some
official Cisco SFP-10G-LR because they were version 1 which also do
not work with our M2 cards.

As it has been awhile since we ran 6.1 so I do not know if the issue
began with 6.2 or not.

I do not know if this helps. But, I feel better after venting. :-)
-- 
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Network Engineer
Institute for Advanced Study
Email:  ck...@ias.edu

Einstein Drive  Telephone: 609-734-8154
Princeton, NJ 08540 Fax:  609-951-4418
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Re: [c-nsp] Possible split horizon issue with bgp signalled vpls

2013-11-19 Thread Jason Lixfeld
I dunno.  All I know is that after upgrading to S1a, I saw some odd L2 issues.  
The one I was able to track down was the ME3600 was unable to resolve ARP for 
hosts on a VLAN behind a directly connected port-channel.  The other one that I 
didn't have time to track down was a host in a VFI was unable to reach hosts in 
the same VPLS instance on a remote VFI.

It's possible that I mis-read the email, but I thought I was told it was due to 
CSCuh05321.  Maybe what the email meant was that the fix for CSCuh05321 didn't 
work?  Maybe the fix for CSCuh05321 caused another issue?  All I know is both 
nodes where I tested this release had to be reverted.

On Nov 19, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Adam Vitkovsky adam.vitkov...@swan.sk wrote:

 That's what I was about to ask as the CSCuh05321 is actually listed under
 15.3(3)S caveats not under 15.3(3)S1a so I'd assume it is resolved in S1a
 already right? 
 
 adam
 -Original Message-
 From: cisco-nsp [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Nick
 Ryce
 Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:14 PM
 To: Jason Lixfeld
 Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
 Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Possible split horizon issue with bgp signalled vpls
 
 Hi Jason,
 
 CSCuh05321 says it is fixed in the S1 release so would that not mean that it
 is also in S1a?
 
 Nick
 
 
 On 19 Nov 2013, at 03:50, Jason Lixfeld
 ja...@lixfeld.camailto:ja...@lixfeld.ca wrote:
 
 Just be mindful of CSCuh05321 if you are going to try S1a.  If you think you
 might hit that, I'd suggest moving to static vpls and skip that release
 until it's fixed.
 
 Also, with S1a, look at CSCtl54835 and verify or else your isis adjacencies
 will break.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Nov 18, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Nick Ryce
 n...@fluency.net.ukmailto:n...@fluency.net.uk wrote:
 
 Just found 1 switch on 15.3(2)S so may be worth a punt and upgrade
 
 Nick
 On 19 Nov 2013, at 02:02, Jason Lixfeld
 ja...@lixfeld.camailto:ja...@lixfeld.ca wrote:
 
 Issues I was having with BGP signalled VPLS a couple of months ago in
 15.3(2)S1 resulted in filing CSCui46390.  I'd otherwise suggest trying
 15.3(3)S1a to see fix works, but that version seems to have introduced
 CSCuh05321, so I think that might end badly for you; it did for me :(
 
 On Nov 18, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Nick Ryce
 n...@fluency.net.ukmailto:n...@fluency.net.uk wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I'm tearing my hair out with this one and can't figure out how to resolve
 it.
 
 I have 3 switches that have a BGP signalled VPLS with customer routers
 hanging off the end of all 3 ( one switch has 2 cpe )
 
 All have the RD 56595:4 and RT 56595:4
 
 All pseudo wires are up between the switches with config snippets below:-
 
 Switch 1
 
 VFI name: FLVPLS004, state: up, type: multipoint, signaling: BGP VPN ID: 4,
 VE-ID: 3, VE-SIZE: 10
 RD: 56595:4, RT: 56595:4, 56595:4
 Bridge-Domain 903 attachment circuits:
  Vlan903
 Neighbors connected via pseudowires:
 Interface  Peer AddressVE-ID  Local Label  Remote LabelS
 pseudowire100033   46.226.0.9  2  402  39  Y
 pseudowire100037   46.226.0.14 1  401  49  Y
 
 This switch has 1 cpe with any vlan tags stripped and can ping all devices
 on the other switches
 
 
 Switch 2
 
 VFI name: FLVPLS004, state: up, type: multipoint, signaling: BGP VPN ID: 4,
 VE-ID: 1, VE-SIZE: 10
 RD: 56595:4, RT: 56595:4, 56595:4
 Bridge-Domain 11 attachment circuits:
  Vlan11
 Neighbors connected via pseudowires:
 Interface  Peer AddressVE-ID  Local Label  Remote LabelS
 pseudowire100015   46.226.0.12 3  49   401 Y
 pseudowire100018   46.226.0.9  2  48   37  Y
 
 This switch has 2 cpe's with any vlan tags stripped.  They can ping each
 other and the device connected to switch 1 but cannot ping device on switch
 3
 
 Switch 3
 
 VFI name: FLVPLS004, state: up, type: multipoint, signaling: BGP VPN ID: 4,
 VE-ID: 2, VE-SIZE: 10
 RD: 56595:4, RT: 56595:4, 56595:4
 Bridge-Domain 4 attachment circuits:
  Vlan4
 Neighbors connected via pseudowires:
 Interface  Peer AddressVE-ID  Local Label  Remote LabelS
 pseudowire100028   46.226.0.12 3  39   402 Y
 pseudowire100027   46.226.0.14 1  37   28  Y
 
 This switch has 1 cpe device connected with any vlan tags stripped and can
 only ping the device on switch 1
 
 
 Each switch can see all the correct mac addresses.
 
 It sounds like split horizon but I assumed this was only to do with the
 local switch?
 
 All devices are running 15.3(3)S
 
 Any help much appreciated.
 
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Re: [c-nsp] IPv6 filters

2013-11-19 Thread Mark Tinka
On Friday, November 15, 2013 02:56:39 PM Tony Tauber wrote:

 Depending on your OS, you may have to explicitly disable
 v6 routes being sent over a v4 session.
 That's possible to do but I don't know why one would want
 to in a truly dual-stack deployment.
 In v6 the only v4 artifact will be that the router ID
 is still a 32-bit number which is most commonly set to
 the v4 loopback or some such.

This has been discussed a few times on this list.

Some operators do it, others don't.

I don't - I prefer to have my address families running over 
their own native transport. Some might see it as double 
work, but it's peace of mind and still looks neat :-).

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Re: [c-nsp] ME3600 BFD session to A9K breaks after upgrade to 15.3(3)S1a

2013-11-19 Thread Mark Tinka
On Thursday, November 14, 2013 07:39:14 PM Jason Lixfeld 
wrote:

 The root cause was due to a fix implemented in 15.3(3)S1a
 for CSCtl54835.  Essentially, the CLNS mtu is now
 properly calculated from the L3 interface MTU whereas
 before, the CLNS MTU was always 1497 no matter what the
 L3 interface MTU was set to.  This fix was not listed in
 the list of resolved caveats for that release, but it is
 now.

Hmmh, interesting.

I've always worked with the impression that the IS-IS MTU is 
inherited from the interface MTU, both on Cisco and Juniper 
(although if my ageing photographic memory is anything to go 
by, a show clns might be playing back sights of 1,497 
bytes across ports that certainly had a higher physical 
MTU).

There is a special case I've encountered on a Juniper where 
this is not the case, on some SDH ports on the MX104, i.e., 
all address families supported on an interface do not 
inherit the physical interface's MTU, and end up doing their 
own thing; workaround is to set the MTU at the address 
family/protocol level. I think this was a bug that is being 
fixed.

Good to hear that Cisco have finally fixed this, although 
I'm not sure if this is specific to the ME3600X, or whether 
it affects other IOS-based platforms (might explain a few 
inconsistent things I've seen with IS-IS MTU, Hello Padding, 
e.t.c. over the years with IOS systems).

Thanks for the tip, Jason.

Cheers,

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Re: [c-nsp] IPv6 filters

2013-11-19 Thread Scott Voll
So how do you keep IPv6 off of IPv4?  if you are running dual stack
shouldn't it just go out it's native protocol?

Scott


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:

 On Friday, November 15, 2013 02:56:39 PM Tony Tauber wrote:

  Depending on your OS, you may have to explicitly disable
  v6 routes being sent over a v4 session.
  That's possible to do but I don't know why one would want
  to in a truly dual-stack deployment.
  In v6 the only v4 artifact will be that the router ID
  is still a 32-bit number which is most commonly set to
  the v4 loopback or some such.

 This has been discussed a few times on this list.

 Some operators do it, others don't.

 I don't - I prefer to have my address families running over
 their own native transport. Some might see it as double
 work, but it's peace of mind and still looks neat :-).

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Re: [c-nsp] [j-nsp] NTP Sources placement in MPLS network

2013-11-19 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 02:02:43 PM Jared Mauch wrote:

 We have servers in each location with NTP synced to local
 stratum 1 or 2 clocks. Customers are given an anycast ip
 that points to these for time sources. We configure
 routers to point at these local sources.

Agree - better to put that on servers running than burdening 
routers with NTP functionality in addition to other daily 
tasks.

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Re: [c-nsp] ASR 901 EoMPLS

2013-11-19 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 19/11/2013 12:45, Adam Vitkovsky wrote:
 Is the 901 that different form 903

yes.  asr901 == based on me3600 hardware and runs vanilla ios, asr903 ==
based on asr1k hardware and runs ios-xe, and can also act as an ASR9k nV
satellite.

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Re: [c-nsp] IPv6 filters

2013-11-19 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 19/11/2013 15:23, Scott Voll wrote:
 So how do you keep IPv6 off of IPv4?  if you are running dual stack
 shouldn't it just go out it's native protocol?

unless you configured no bgp default ipv4-unicast on ios, older versions
of ios will default to exchanging ipv4 prefixes over ipv6. I don't even
know if this is still the default because I've been using no bgp default
ipv4-unicast for several years.  In any case, it's better to be explicit
about what AFIs you want sent over what protocols.  Except for one or two
peculiar non-routing cases, I religiously keep them apart.

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Re: [c-nsp] IPv6 filters

2013-11-19 Thread Mark Tinka
On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 05:48:56 PM Nick Hilliard 
wrote:

 unless you configured no bgp default ipv4-unicast on
 ios, older versions of ios will default to exchanging
 ipv4 prefixes over ipv6. I don't even know if this is
 still the default because I've been using no bgp
 default ipv4-unicast for several years.  In any case,
 it's better to be explicit about what AFIs you want sent
 over what protocols.  Except for one or two peculiar
 non-routing cases, I religiously keep them apart.

I think I pray at the church more often that you do, Nick 
:-).

Seriously, +1.

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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 19/11/2013 13:54, Christina Klam wrote:
 We have been running 6.2(2) since the summer.  In the last six months, I
 had to return some third-party Cisco compatible twinax cables because
 they were Invalid on our M2s.  And, I just had to swap out some
 official Cisco SFP-10G-LR because they were version 1 which also do
 not work with our M2 cards.

Can't say I'm surprised.  If Cisco is going to do stupid customer-hating
stuff like locking transceivers, they ought to expect to shoot themselves
in the foot from time to time.  Pity that it's the customers who end taking
the bullet though.

I would love to condemn the product managers who make this sort of
rage-inducing decision to an eternity of dealing with 02:00 maintenance
windows where you're stuck in a data centre with severe time constraints,
the network is down because of transceiver issues and you only have the
wrong brand of transceiver to hand, and there's no reason it shouldn't work
other than vendor politics.  RAGE/

Nick

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Re: [c-nsp] ASR 901 EoMPLS

2013-11-19 Thread Pete Lumbis
You're right on the software part (901 = IOS classic, 903 = XE) but the
hardware part isn't correct.

The asr903 is based on the same forwarding asic as the me3600 and me3800

The asr901 is based on a different forwarding asic than the 903/3600/3800

The asr1k is based on the Cisco QFP network processor and is drastically
different from the 901 and 903.





On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote:

 On 19/11/2013 12:45, Adam Vitkovsky wrote:
  Is the 901 that different form 903

 yes.  asr901 == based on me3600 hardware and runs vanilla ios, asr903 ==
 based on asr1k hardware and runs ios-xe, and can also act as an ASR9k nV
 satellite.

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Re: [c-nsp] ASR 901 EoMPLS

2013-11-19 Thread Pete Lumbis
Before XE 3.11 (15.3.4S) the behavior is:

1)  On EVC-BD, if no L2CP configuration is done, then tagged BPDUs are
dropped and untagged BPDUs are peered

2)  On EVC-Xconnect, by default, the tagged BPDUs are dropped and
untagged BPDUs are forwarded

3)  On Port-Xconnect, the tagged BPDUs are dropped and untagged BPDUs
are forwarded


This is not documented clearly and I'll work to get the external
documentation updated to reflect this and create a longer term goal to more
clearly state the behavior of control traffic on xconnect ports in
different configurations on different platforms.


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Fredrik Vöcks
fredrik.vo...@bredband2.sewrote:

 Hi all,

 We are having a customer who says he can't forward BPDU packets over an
 portbased EoMPLS using an ASR 901.

 Is this something known or am I missing something? Relevant configuration;

 interface TenGigabitEthernet0/1
  description c_customer433231
  no keepalive
  xconnect x.x.x.x 1730 encapsulation mpls

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Re: [c-nsp] ASR 901 EoMPLS

2013-11-19 Thread Tim Jackson
ASR901 is Broadcom inside.

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Pete Lumbis alum...@gmail.com wrote:
 You're right on the software part (901 = IOS classic, 903 = XE) but the
 hardware part isn't correct.

 The asr903 is based on the same forwarding asic as the me3600 and me3800

 The asr901 is based on a different forwarding asic than the 903/3600/3800

 The asr1k is based on the Cisco QFP network processor and is drastically
 different from the 901 and 903.





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 On 19/11/2013 12:45, Adam Vitkovsky wrote:
  Is the 901 that different form 903

 yes.  asr901 == based on me3600 hardware and runs vanilla ios, asr903 ==
 based on asr1k hardware and runs ios-xe, and can also act as an ASR9k nV
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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread Gert Doering
Hi,

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 03:59:06PM +, Nick Hilliard wrote:
 I would love to condemn the product managers who make this sort of
 rage-inducing decision to an eternity of dealing with 02:00 maintenance
 windows where you're stuck in a data centre with severe time constraints,
 the network is down because of transceiver issues and you only have the
 wrong brand of transceiver to hand, and there's no reason it shouldn't work
 other than vendor politics.  RAGE/

Amen.

(The service unsupported-transceiver thing used to be a reasonable
compromise.  It gave customers the freedom of choice, while making it
clear that TAC could refuse to support issues with 3rd party transceivers.
Sorry to hear that the Nexus BU is now competing with the Stupid BU for
the most annoying BU CY2013 title...)

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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread Jeffrey G. Fitzwater
Christina, are you running on sup-2E ?   We are running many non-CISCO 
transceivers on nexus 7k running 6.1.3 but when I did the upgrade to 6.2.2a NO 
GOOD.



We also ran across issue with 6.2.2a on sup-2E that you cannot overwrite slot0: 
file.   Delete but no overwrite.  TAC case open.

Jeff
On Nov 19, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Christina Klam ck...@ias.edu wrote:

 Jeff,
 
 We have been running 6.2(2) since the summer.  In the last six months, I
 had to return some third-party Cisco compatible twinax cables because
 they were Invalid on our M2s.  And, I just had to swap out some
 official Cisco SFP-10G-LR because they were version 1 which also do
 not work with our M2 cards.
 
 As it has been awhile since we ran 6.1 so I do not know if the issue
 began with 6.2 or not.
 
 I do not know if this helps. But, I feel better after venting. :-)
 -- 
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 Institute for Advanced Study
 Email:  ck...@ias.edu
 
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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread Jeffrey G. Fitzwater
I don’t see the  “service unsupported-transceiver” command nor does it run (in 
case its hidden). That would imply its not there on 7k 6.1.3 or 6.2.2a.


Can you imagine us doing an upgrade on one of our core 7k and having all the 
transceivers fail.

Jeff

On Nov 19, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Gert Doering g...@greenie.muc.de wrote:

 Hi,
 
 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 03:59:06PM +, Nick Hilliard wrote:
 I would love to condemn the product managers who make this sort of
 rage-inducing decision to an eternity of dealing with 02:00 maintenance
 windows where you're stuck in a data centre with severe time constraints,
 the network is down because of transceiver issues and you only have the
 wrong brand of transceiver to hand, and there's no reason it shouldn't work
 other than vendor politics.  RAGE/
 
 Amen.
 
 (The service unsupported-transceiver thing used to be a reasonable
 compromise.  It gave customers the freedom of choice, while making it
 clear that TAC could refuse to support issues with 3rd party transceivers.
 Sorry to hear that the Nexus BU is now competing with the Stupid BU for
 the most annoying BU CY2013 title...)
 
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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread Christina Klam
Jeff,

They are plain ole N7K-SUP2 with N7K-M224XP-23L line cards.  I just
accepted the fact that we will have to pay the Cisco tax.

Regards,
Christina

On 11/19/2013 02:45 PM, Jeffrey G. Fitzwater wrote:
 Christina, are you running on sup-2E ?   We are running many non-CISCO 
 transceivers on nexus 7k running 6.1.3 but when I did the upgrade to 6.2.2a 
 NO GOOD.
 
 
 
 We also ran across issue with 6.2.2a on sup-2E that you cannot overwrite 
 slot0: file.   Delete but no overwrite.  TAC case open.
 
 Jeff
 On Nov 19, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Christina Klam ck...@ias.edu wrote:
 
 Jeff,

 We have been running 6.2(2) since the summer.  In the last six months, I
 had to return some third-party Cisco compatible twinax cables because
 they were Invalid on our M2s.  And, I just had to swap out some
 official Cisco SFP-10G-LR because they were version 1 which also do
 not work with our M2 cards.

 As it has been awhile since we ran 6.1 so I do not know if the issue
 began with 6.2 or not.

 I do not know if this helps. But, I feel better after venting. :-)
 -- 
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 Network Engineer
 Institute for Advanced Study
 Email:  ck...@ias.edu

 Einstein Drive  Telephone: 609-734-8154
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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread Jeffrey G. Fitzwater
Did you happen to try to overwrite a slot0:file , even though this is 
unrelated to the transceiver issue.  In my case its just another bug with 
6.2.2a on sup-2E.


Jeff
On Nov 19, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Christina Klam ck...@ias.edu wrote:

 Jeff,
 
 They are plain ole N7K-SUP2 with N7K-M224XP-23L line cards.  I just
 accepted the fact that we will have to pay the Cisco tax.
 
 Regards,
 Christina
 
 On 11/19/2013 02:45 PM, Jeffrey G. Fitzwater wrote:
 Christina, are you running on sup-2E ?   We are running many non-CISCO 
 transceivers on nexus 7k running 6.1.3 but when I did the upgrade to 6.2.2a 
 NO GOOD.
 
 
 
 We also ran across issue with 6.2.2a on sup-2E that you cannot overwrite 
 slot0: file.   Delete but no overwrite.  TAC case open.
 
 Jeff
 On Nov 19, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Christina Klam ck...@ias.edu wrote:
 
 Jeff,
 
 We have been running 6.2(2) since the summer.  In the last six months, I
 had to return some third-party Cisco compatible twinax cables because
 they were Invalid on our M2s.  And, I just had to swap out some
 official Cisco SFP-10G-LR because they were version 1 which also do
 not work with our M2 cards.
 
 As it has been awhile since we ran 6.1 so I do not know if the issue
 began with 6.2 or not.
 
 I do not know if this helps. But, I feel better after venting. :-)
 -- 
 Christina Klam
 Network Engineer
 Institute for Advanced Study
 Email:  ck...@ias.edu
 
 Einstein Drive  Telephone: 609-734-8154
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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread Tim Durack
service unsupported-transceiver works for us on 6.2.2a.


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Jeffrey G. Fitzwater
jf...@princeton.eduwrote:

 I don’t see the  “service unsupported-transceiver” command nor does it run
 (in case its hidden). That would imply its not there on 7k 6.1.3 or
 6.2.2a.


 Can you imagine us doing an upgrade on one of our core 7k and having all
 the transceivers fail.

 Jeff

 On Nov 19, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Gert Doering g...@greenie.muc.de wrote:

  Hi,
 
  On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 03:59:06PM +, Nick Hilliard wrote:
  I would love to condemn the product managers who make this sort of
  rage-inducing decision to an eternity of dealing with 02:00 maintenance
  windows where you're stuck in a data centre with severe time
 constraints,
  the network is down because of transceiver issues and you only have the
  wrong brand of transceiver to hand, and there's no reason it shouldn't
 work
  other than vendor politics.  RAGE/
 
  Amen.
 
  (The service unsupported-transceiver thing used to be a reasonable
  compromise.  It gave customers the freedom of choice, while making it
  clear that TAC could refuse to support issues with 3rd party
 transceivers.
  Sorry to hear that the Nexus BU is now competing with the Stupid BU for
  the most annoying BU CY2013 title...)
 
  gert
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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread Jeffrey G. Fitzwater
What sup and what EPLD ver.

Interesting !



Jeff
On Nov 19, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Tim Durack 
tdur...@gmail.commailto:tdur...@gmail.com wrote:

service unsupported-transceiver works for us on 6.2.2a.


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Jeffrey G. Fitzwater 
jf...@princeton.edumailto:jf...@princeton.edu wrote:
I don’t see the  “service unsupported-transceiver” command nor does it run (in 
case its hidden). That would imply its not there on 7k 6.1.3 or 6.2.2a.


Can you imagine us doing an upgrade on one of our core 7k and having all the 
transceivers fail.

Jeff

On Nov 19, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Gert Doering 
g...@greenie.muc.demailto:g...@greenie.muc.de wrote:

 Hi,

 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 03:59:06PM +, Nick Hilliard wrote:
 I would love to condemn the product managers who make this sort of
 rage-inducing decision to an eternity of dealing with 02:00 maintenance
 windows where you're stuck in a data centre with severe time constraints,
 the network is down because of transceiver issues and you only have the
 wrong brand of transceiver to hand, and there's no reason it shouldn't work
 other than vendor politics.  RAGE/

 Amen.

 (The service unsupported-transceiver thing used to be a reasonable
 compromise.  It gave customers the freedom of choice, while making it
 clear that TAC could refuse to support issues with 3rd party transceivers.
 Sorry to hear that the Nexus BU is now competing with the Stupid BU for
 the most annoying BU CY2013 title...)

 gert
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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread Jeffrey G. Fitzwater
My error.   Yes it does exist.  Not sure what I did wrong.

i am going back and try new code with command.


Thanks

Jeff
On Nov 19, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Tim Durack 
tdur...@gmail.commailto:tdur...@gmail.com wrote:

service unsupported-transceiver works for us on 6.2.2a.


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Jeffrey G. Fitzwater 
jf...@princeton.edumailto:jf...@princeton.edu wrote:
I don’t see the  “service unsupported-transceiver” command nor does it run (in 
case its hidden). That would imply its not there on 7k 6.1.3 or 6.2.2a.


Can you imagine us doing an upgrade on one of our core 7k and having all the 
transceivers fail.

Jeff

On Nov 19, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Gert Doering 
g...@greenie.muc.demailto:g...@greenie.muc.de wrote:

 Hi,

 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 03:59:06PM +, Nick Hilliard wrote:
 I would love to condemn the product managers who make this sort of
 rage-inducing decision to an eternity of dealing with 02:00 maintenance
 windows where you're stuck in a data centre with severe time constraints,
 the network is down because of transceiver issues and you only have the
 wrong brand of transceiver to hand, and there's no reason it shouldn't work
 other than vendor politics.  RAGE/

 Amen.

 (The service unsupported-transceiver thing used to be a reasonable
 compromise.  It gave customers the freedom of choice, while making it
 clear that TAC could refuse to support issues with 3rd party transceivers.
 Sorry to hear that the Nexus BU is now competing with the Stupid BU for
 the most annoying BU CY2013 title...)

 gert
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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread James Slepicka (c-nsp)
Just talked to my SE.  He reports that, in previous versions, some 3rd party 
transceivers (mine included, apparently) work without service 
unsupported-transceiver.  This was 'fixed' in 6.2(2)...

Thanks for reporting this, Jeff.  We'll be upgrading soon and this saved me 
from a big headache.

-Original Message-
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G. Fitzwater
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 2:33 PM
To: Tim Durack
Cc: Gert Doering; Christina Klam; cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 
6.2.2a on sup-2E

My error.   Yes it does exist.  Not sure what I did wrong.

i am going back and try new code with command.


Thanks

Jeff
On Nov 19, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Tim Durack 
tdur...@gmail.commailto:tdur...@gmail.com wrote:

service unsupported-transceiver works for us on 6.2.2a.


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Jeffrey G. Fitzwater 
jf...@princeton.edumailto:jf...@princeton.edu wrote:
I don't see the  service unsupported-transceiver command nor does it run (in 
case its hidden). That would imply its not there on 7k 6.1.3 or 6.2.2a.


Can you imagine us doing an upgrade on one of our core 7k and having all the 
transceivers fail.

Jeff

On Nov 19, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Gert Doering 
g...@greenie.muc.demailto:g...@greenie.muc.de wrote:

 Hi,

 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 03:59:06PM +, Nick Hilliard wrote:
 I would love to condemn the product managers who make this sort of 
 rage-inducing decision to an eternity of dealing with 02:00 
 maintenance windows where you're stuck in a data centre with severe 
 time constraints, the network is down because of transceiver issues 
 and you only have the wrong brand of transceiver to hand, and there's 
 no reason it shouldn't work other than vendor politics.  RAGE/

 Amen.

 (The service unsupported-transceiver thing used to be a reasonable 
 compromise.  It gave customers the freedom of choice, while making it 
 clear that TAC could refuse to support issues with 3rd party transceivers.
 Sorry to hear that the Nexus BU is now competing with the Stupid BU 
 for the most annoying BU CY2013 title...)

 gert
 --
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 g...@greenie.muc.demailto:g...@greenie.muc.de
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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread Jeffrey G. Fitzwater
In 6.1.3 I never had to add the command;  but now with 6.2.2a I have to.

Are we having fun yet..




Jeff

On Nov 19, 2013, at 3:46 PM, James Slepicka (c-nsp) cisco-...@slepicka.net 
wrote:

 Just talked to my SE.  He reports that, in previous versions, some 3rd party 
 transceivers (mine included, apparently) work without service 
 unsupported-transceiver.  This was 'fixed' in 6.2(2)...
 
 Thanks for reporting this, Jeff.  We'll be upgrading soon and this saved me 
 from a big headache.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: cisco-nsp [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of 
 Jeffrey G. Fitzwater
 Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 2:33 PM
 To: Tim Durack
 Cc: Gert Doering; Christina Klam; cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
 Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 
 6.2.2a on sup-2E
 
 My error.   Yes it does exist.  Not sure what I did wrong.
 
 i am going back and try new code with command.
 
 
 Thanks
 
 Jeff
 On Nov 19, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Tim Durack 
 tdur...@gmail.commailto:tdur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 service unsupported-transceiver works for us on 6.2.2a.
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Jeffrey G. Fitzwater 
 jf...@princeton.edumailto:jf...@princeton.edu wrote:
 I don't see the  service unsupported-transceiver command nor does it run 
 (in case its hidden). That would imply its not there on 7k 6.1.3 or 
 6.2.2a.
 
 
 Can you imagine us doing an upgrade on one of our core 7k and having all the 
 transceivers fail.
 
 Jeff
 
 On Nov 19, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Gert Doering 
 g...@greenie.muc.demailto:g...@greenie.muc.de wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 03:59:06PM +, Nick Hilliard wrote:
 I would love to condemn the product managers who make this sort of 
 rage-inducing decision to an eternity of dealing with 02:00 
 maintenance windows where you're stuck in a data centre with severe 
 time constraints, the network is down because of transceiver issues 
 and you only have the wrong brand of transceiver to hand, and there's 
 no reason it shouldn't work other than vendor politics.  RAGE/
 
 Amen.
 
 (The service unsupported-transceiver thing used to be a reasonable 
 compromise.  It gave customers the freedom of choice, while making it 
 clear that TAC could refuse to support issues with 3rd party transceivers.
 Sorry to hear that the Nexus BU is now competing with the Stupid BU 
 for the most annoying BU CY2013 title...)
 
 gert
 --
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 g...@greenie.muc.demailto:g...@greenie.muc.de
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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread James Slepicka (c-nsp)
Does the command exist in 6.1(3)?  I don't have a box that I can test with.

-Original Message-
From: Jeffrey G. Fitzwater [mailto:jf...@princeton.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 3:19 PM
To: James Slepicka (c-nsp)
Cc: Jeffrey G. Fitzwater; Tim Durack; Gert Doering; Christina Klam; 
cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 
6.2.2a on sup-2E

In 6.1.3 I never had to add the command;  but now with 6.2.2a I have to.

Are we having fun yet..




Jeff

On Nov 19, 2013, at 3:46 PM, James Slepicka (c-nsp) cisco-...@slepicka.net 
wrote:

 Just talked to my SE.  He reports that, in previous versions, some 3rd party 
 transceivers (mine included, apparently) work without service 
 unsupported-transceiver.  This was 'fixed' in 6.2(2)...
 
 Thanks for reporting this, Jeff.  We'll be upgrading soon and this saved me 
 from a big headache.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: cisco-nsp [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf 
 Of Jeffrey G. Fitzwater
 Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 2:33 PM
 To: Tim Durack
 Cc: Gert Doering; Christina Klam; cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
 Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, 
 NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E
 
 My error.   Yes it does exist.  Not sure what I did wrong.
 
 i am going back and try new code with command.
 
 
 Thanks
 
 Jeff
 On Nov 19, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Tim Durack 
 tdur...@gmail.commailto:tdur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 service unsupported-transceiver works for us on 6.2.2a.
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Jeffrey G. Fitzwater 
 jf...@princeton.edumailto:jf...@princeton.edu wrote:
 I don't see the  service unsupported-transceiver command nor does it run 
 (in case its hidden). That would imply its not there on 7k 6.1.3 or 
 6.2.2a.
 
 
 Can you imagine us doing an upgrade on one of our core 7k and having all the 
 transceivers fail.
 
 Jeff
 
 On Nov 19, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Gert Doering 
 g...@greenie.muc.demailto:g...@greenie.muc.de wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 03:59:06PM +, Nick Hilliard wrote:
 I would love to condemn the product managers who make this sort of 
 rage-inducing decision to an eternity of dealing with 02:00 
 maintenance windows where you're stuck in a data centre with severe 
 time constraints, the network is down because of transceiver issues 
 and you only have the wrong brand of transceiver to hand, and 
 there's no reason it shouldn't work other than vendor politics.  
 RAGE/
 
 Amen.
 
 (The service unsupported-transceiver thing used to be a reasonable 
 compromise.  It gave customers the freedom of choice, while making it 
 clear that TAC could refuse to support issues with 3rd party transceivers.
 Sorry to hear that the Nexus BU is now competing with the Stupid BU 
 for the most annoying BU CY2013 title...)
 
 gert
 --
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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread Jeffrey G. Fitzwater
It does accept the command in 6.1.3, but non CISCO transceivers still work 
without running it, and its NOT in the config even with the command “show run 
all”

if I run the command “no service unsupported-transceiver” and do an interface 
SHUT NO SHUT the non CISCO still work.

Hmmm….


So CISCO must have changed something in 6.2.2a to require the command for non 
CISCO transceivers.

This makes me a little nervous running 6.2.2a with this caveat. Sure I can save 
it in config, but what happens in next release.


I’ll discuss this with my SE and see what they say.



Jeff
On Nov 19, 2013, at 4:24 PM, James Slepicka (c-nsp) cisco-...@slepicka.net 
wrote:

 Does the command exist in 6.1(3)?  I don't have a box that I can test with.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jeffrey G. Fitzwater [mailto:jf...@princeton.edu] 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 3:19 PM
 To: James Slepicka (c-nsp)
 Cc: Jeffrey G. Fitzwater; Tim Durack; Gert Doering; Christina Klam; 
 cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
 Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 
 6.2.2a on sup-2E
 
 In 6.1.3 I never had to add the command;  but now with 6.2.2a I have to.
 
 Are we having fun yet..
 
 
 
 
 Jeff
 
 On Nov 19, 2013, at 3:46 PM, James Slepicka (c-nsp) cisco-...@slepicka.net 
 wrote:
 
 Just talked to my SE.  He reports that, in previous versions, some 3rd party 
 transceivers (mine included, apparently) work without service 
 unsupported-transceiver.  This was 'fixed' in 6.2(2)...
 
 Thanks for reporting this, Jeff.  We'll be upgrading soon and this saved me 
 from a big headache.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: cisco-nsp [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf 
 Of Jeffrey G. Fitzwater
 Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 2:33 PM
 To: Tim Durack
 Cc: Gert Doering; Christina Klam; cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
 Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, 
 NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E
 
 My error.   Yes it does exist.  Not sure what I did wrong.
 
 i am going back and try new code with command.
 
 
 Thanks
 
 Jeff
 On Nov 19, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Tim Durack 
 tdur...@gmail.commailto:tdur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 service unsupported-transceiver works for us on 6.2.2a.
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Jeffrey G. Fitzwater 
 jf...@princeton.edumailto:jf...@princeton.edu wrote:
 I don't see the  service unsupported-transceiver command nor does it run 
 (in case its hidden). That would imply its not there on 7k 6.1.3 or 
 6.2.2a.
 
 
 Can you imagine us doing an upgrade on one of our core 7k and having all the 
 transceivers fail.
 
 Jeff
 
 On Nov 19, 2013, at 12:25 PM, Gert Doering 
 g...@greenie.muc.demailto:g...@greenie.muc.de wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 03:59:06PM +, Nick Hilliard wrote:
 I would love to condemn the product managers who make this sort of 
 rage-inducing decision to an eternity of dealing with 02:00 
 maintenance windows where you're stuck in a data centre with severe 
 time constraints, the network is down because of transceiver issues 
 and you only have the wrong brand of transceiver to hand, and 
 there's no reason it shouldn't work other than vendor politics.  
 RAGE/
 
 Amen.
 
 (The service unsupported-transceiver thing used to be a reasonable 
 compromise.  It gave customers the freedom of choice, while making it 
 clear that TAC could refuse to support issues with 3rd party transceivers.
 Sorry to hear that the Nexus BU is now competing with the Stupid BU 
 for the most annoying BU CY2013 title...)
 
 gert
 --
 USENET is *not* the non-clickable part of WWW!
 
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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread Jared Mauch

On Nov 19, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote:

 On 19/11/2013 13:54, Christina Klam wrote:
 We have been running 6.2(2) since the summer.  In the last six months, I
 had to return some third-party Cisco compatible twinax cables because
 they were Invalid on our M2s.  And, I just had to swap out some
 official Cisco SFP-10G-LR because they were version 1 which also do
 not work with our M2 cards.
 
 Can't say I'm surprised.  If Cisco is going to do stupid customer-hating
 stuff like locking transceivers, they ought to expect to shoot themselves
 in the foot from time to time.  Pity that it's the customers who end taking
 the bullet though.

The failure of Cisco to support their own first party optics correctly is a 
significant problem we have faced.  We’ve done many rounds with them on this 
topic and it’s not gone well for them.  The optics folks have been borderline 
arrogant and ignorant of the software-side problems that exist.

My suggestion: Speak with your wallet and discontinue purchasing them.  You can 
save lots of $$$.  When you type “show” commands on a device, make sure you map 
them back to the SFF-8472 MSA fields.  If the software platform doesn’t display 
all of them, insist it’s basic support of the optics and their optics and 
software are substandard.

Regarding Twinax cables.  You really shouldn’t need these as the optics are 
fairly inexpensive via 3rd party, and you can use a fiber cable for “cheap” as 
well.

Look at places like monoprice, champion one, osihardware and many others out 
there. Most places have better warranty support than Cisco with paid support in 
my experience.

- Jared
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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread Tim Durack
Second that. The more people buy 3rd party (coded if you want) the better.
Vendors only listen to sales.

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013, Jared Mauch wrote:


 On Nov 19, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.orgjavascript:;
 wrote:

  On 19/11/2013 13:54, Christina Klam wrote:
  We have been running 6.2(2) since the summer.  In the last six months, I
  had to return some third-party Cisco compatible twinax cables because
  they were Invalid on our M2s.  And, I just had to swap out some
  official Cisco SFP-10G-LR because they were version 1 which also do
  not work with our M2 cards.
 
  Can't say I'm surprised.  If Cisco is going to do stupid customer-hating
  stuff like locking transceivers, they ought to expect to shoot themselves
  in the foot from time to time.  Pity that it's the customers who end
 taking
  the bullet though.

 The failure of Cisco to support their own first party optics correctly is
 a significant problem we have faced.  We’ve done many rounds with them on
 this topic and it’s not gone well for them.  The optics folks have been
 borderline arrogant and ignorant of the software-side problems that exist.

 My suggestion: Speak with your wallet and discontinue purchasing them.
  You can save lots of $$$.  When you type “show” commands on a device, make
 sure you map them back to the SFF-8472 MSA fields.  If the software
 platform doesn’t display all of them, insist it’s basic support of the
 optics and their optics and software are substandard.

 Regarding Twinax cables.  You really shouldn’t need these as the optics
 are fairly inexpensive via 3rd party, and you can use a fiber cable for
 “cheap” as well.

 Look at places like monoprice, champion one, osihardware and many others
 out there. Most places have better warranty support than Cisco with paid
 support in my experience.

 - Jared
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Re: [c-nsp] Third party transceivers that fail only with new, NX-OS 6.2.2a on sup-2E

2013-11-19 Thread Jeff Kell
On 11/19/2013 5:51 PM, Tim Durack wrote:
 Second that. The more people buy 3rd party (coded if you want) the better.
 Vendors only listen to sales.

+1 to that.  We recently ran across some 3rd-party CODED DOM-supporting
optics that have worked (thus far) in both Ciscos and Brocades.  When
you can issue a show int trans and get results from 3rd-parties while
Ciscos remain silent, it speaks volumes :)

We still keep branded spares for any surprise issues.  But I don't think
we would have enough to survive a software upgrade enforced
transceiver refusal such as the one being discussed... so I remain
skeptical, and disgruntled over the whole branded issue.

Could you imagine if you could stick a vendor PROM in an ethernet
cable?  We don't tolerate such silliness with any other interfaces...

Jeff

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Re: [c-nsp] [j-nsp] NTP Sources placement in MPLS network

2013-11-19 Thread Yham
Hi Mark, Jared,

Do you really think enabling NTP service on routers can burdening them. I
mean in hierarchical way where RR and directly connected with ntp sources
and then all PEs use RR as ntp master and CEs further down use PEs as NTP
master?

Jared,

Quick question, why you think anycast IP on NTP servers is better then
configuring multiple individual servers on devices. One advantage of
anycast i can think is since (i believe) device choose ntp that has better
stratum and if its same it choose ntp who respond first if multiple ntp
servers are configured so if anycast ip is used, device will reach only to
closest device.

I try to read about ntp with anycast ip and found a doc that talk about
some risk that i couldn't understand. below is the snippet and source. can
you please comment on this please?

NTP will also normally work with Anycast. A small risk with NTP is that it
generally requires
at least two packets from both server and client to get a proper
synchronization. If the server
fails after the first packet, it will take an extra packet to synchronize
with the next available NTP
server. The Simple Network Time Protocol (SNTP) does not have this problem.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.116.6367rep=rep1type=pdf
page-8

Regards

Regards


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:

 On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 02:02:43 PM Jared Mauch wrote:

  We have servers in each location with NTP synced to local
  stratum 1 or 2 clocks. Customers are given an anycast ip
  that points to these for time sources. We configure
  routers to point at these local sources.

 Agree - better to put that on servers running than burdening
 routers with NTP functionality in addition to other daily
 tasks.

 Mark.

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Re: [c-nsp] ASR A9K-8T-L certain ports limited to 8 Gbps.

2013-11-19 Thread McDonald Richards
What framing mode are you running and what is the underlying transmission?

I have seen this before on 10G circuits running in wanphy mode and the
only fix was to get better transmission (ie. not an STM-64c) and run
lanphy :)

McDonald

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:07 PM, bas kilo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear All,

 We have a stubborn problem with one of our ASR9Ks.
 A couple of upstream ports are limited to 8Gbps egress traffic, while
 others are not affected.

 It is a 9010 chassis with two RSP-4Gs, and eight A9K-8T-L cards.
 Of every card the first three ports are used for upstream (egress traffic),
 and the following five ports are configured for downstream (ingress)

 There is no specific QoS configured on either side.

 The RSPs are running 4.2.3.
 We've swapped both RSPs, and several linecards, however nothing seems to
 change the behaviour.

 rrd graph here http://imgur.com/Td4KSGB

 Has anyone had experience with a situation like this?

 Thanks,

 Bas
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[c-nsp] Bad routes in MPLS

2013-11-19 Thread Tony
Hi all,

We've been having an issue recently where we have routes on PE routers that 
look to be ok, but are not forwarding any traffic. Usually this can be resolved 
by doing clear ip route vrf vrf_name ip_prefix which causes the PE to 
re-learn the route and everything works again.

This problem appears to be triggered by routing flap/changes. This can either 
be within a vrf (ie. PE-CE, BGP or OSPF) or our core IGP (PE-PE, OSPF). When it 
is a PE-CE route change it seems to only affect routes within that vrf, but 
when it is an IGP topology change it can affect pretty much any vrf.

My initial though was that something is wrong in the stuff that is underlying 
the routing (eg. MPLS, LDP, CEF) and so I started looking, but can't see 
anything that is different from when it works and when it doesn't work. I've 
worked my way through most of show ip bgp vpnv4, show mpls 
forwarding-table, show mpls ip binding, etc. You can also work around the 
problem by adding a more specific route, which would bypass the dodgy route in 
question (but not fix the route, so that when the more specific route is 
removed it goes back to not working). I've also found that sometimes clearing 
the route (clear ip route ...) doesn't work, in which case the best way I've 
found to resolve that is to create a static route exactly the same on the PE 
but with a destination of null0, then remove this route again. This again 
causes the bad route to be flushed and replaced with one that now works.

This has been happening for a couple of weeks, but was typically only affecting 
a prefix here or there and so we thought it just a bad quirk, but more recently 
we have had some occasions where it has caused widespread havoc affecting a 
good portion of routes on a single PE.

The boxes in question are 7609 with dual sup720-3B and a variety of card 
(mostly SIP-400 + SPA-GE  ES20+) running 12.2(33)SRD4. I'm aware the software 
is a bit out of date and we are looking to schedule a maintenance window for 
upgrading (at this stage a week away from now). The boxes are not heavily 
loaded from a CPU, memory or traffic perspective.

Any thoughts on where I might look to try and see an actual error (ie. 
something corrupt) or any other troubleshooting that could be done. I have 
opened a case with TAC (and as per recent thread, OMFG was that PAINFUL !) and 
will see where that goes. I imagine their first response might be 
upgrade/reboot but I'm hoping not and they might have some sensible suggestions.


Happy to post output of some of the troubleshooting I've already done, but 
thought that would just add a heap of extra information to this post and wuld 
just cause people's eye's to glaze over.

Thanks,
Tony.
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Re: [c-nsp] [j-nsp] NTP Sources placement in MPLS network

2013-11-19 Thread Jared Mauch

On Nov 19, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Yham yhamee...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Mark, Jared,
 
 Do you really think enabling NTP service on routers can burdening them. I 
 mean in hierarchical way where RR and directly connected with ntp sources and 
 then all PEs use RR as ntp master and CEs further down use PEs as NTP master?

Everything you ask a router to do burdens it, including adding new prefixes, 
increasing traffic through natural growth and other things.

The actual impact will clearly depend on the platforms involved.  As both Cisco 
 Juniper-NSP are copied, it's hard to give you an accurate statement as each 
vendor does something different.

 
 Jared,
 
 Quick question, why you think anycast IP on NTP servers is better then 
 configuring multiple individual servers on devices. One advantage of anycast 
 i can think is since (i believe) device choose ntp that has better stratum 
 and if its same it choose ntp who respond first if multiple ntp servers are 
 configured so if anycast ip is used, device will reach only to closest device.

There's many reasons why.  I didn't say it was better, I said what we were 
doing. :)

but here's a list of reasons:

1) If you're not already doing centralized control of devices/configs, using 
the same IP address will minimize the impact should the host change.

2) Most places don't do #1, infact they often find devices they have no access 
to, must password recover it, don't have SNMP stats, netflow, CPU usage, or any 
other useful data.

 I try to read about ntp with anycast ip and found a doc that talk about some 
 risk that i couldn't understand. below is the snippet and source. can you 
 please comment on this please?
 
 NTP will also normally work with Anycast. A small risk with NTP is that it 
 generally requires 
 at least two packets from both server and client to get a proper 
 synchronization. If the server 
 fails after the first packet, it will take an extra packet to synchronize 
 with the next available NTP 
 server. The Simple Network Time Protocol (SNTP) does not have this problem.

Sure, this depends on how you operate your network.  If you do per-packet load 
balancing this may happen if you don't have an ECMP path.  The same is true if 
you improperly use a load balancer or other devices.  Many technology can be 
used well, often it's used until it just works.  I'm sure everyone on-list 
has a story of getting things to the point of just working then leave it 
alone without truly understanding what they fixed, or what was truly different.

Perhaps you're perfect and using perfect software and didn't see anything like 
that, but I see it all the time.  You just optimize based on what is deployable 
and feasible.  If you have every device fully under your control, in 
configuration management and proper tools to audit and template then you can 
deploy something else.

Whenever possible: Template, Automate and use existing tools to audit.

- Jared

 
 http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.116.6367rep=rep1type=pdf
 page-8
 
 Regards
 
 Regards
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote:
 On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 02:02:43 PM Jared Mauch wrote:
 
  We have servers in each location with NTP synced to local
  stratum 1 or 2 clocks. Customers are given an anycast ip
  that points to these for time sources. We configure
  routers to point at these local sources.
 
 Agree - better to put that on servers running than burdening
 routers with NTP functionality in addition to other daily
 tasks.
 
 Mark.
 


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[c-nsp] Cisco bug locator?

2013-11-19 Thread Jay Hennigan
Does anyone have a current URL for the Cisco bug toolkit that works the
right way around?

The link on their website now only allows you to enter a bug ID.  I am
looking for the original bug tool that is actually useful, where you
specify the IOS version, platform, and nature of the bug, and it then
gives you the bug ID.

This one is kind of useless.

https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch

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Re: [c-nsp] Cisco bug locator?

2013-11-19 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013, Jay Hennigan wrote:


Does anyone have a current URL for the Cisco bug toolkit that works the
right way around?

The link on their website now only allows you to enter a bug ID.  I am
looking for the original bug tool that is actually useful, where you
specify the IOS version, platform, and nature of the bug, and it then
gives you the bug ID.

This one is kind of useless.

https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch


Cisco has over the past years made their public bug information more and 
more useless, mostly by not documenting their bugs publically in a useful 
manner. That they would then cripple the search function would be no 
surprise to me.


I have numerous times had to ask people within Cisco who have access to 
their internal tools for clarification on bugs in order to actually gain 
useful knowledge about what the bug actually is. I also had to numerous 
times ask cisco to actually publish the bug at all, just to be able to 
evaluate if a SMU should be applied or not. Yes, they released SMUs 
without the bug ID the SMU fixed being publically available. This has 
happened several times.


So complain to your account team and give feedback on their website. Only 
by customers complaining will we see improvement.


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Re: [c-nsp] Cisco bug locator?

2013-11-19 Thread Jeff Kell
On 11/19/2013 9:40 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:

 So complain to your account team and give feedback on their website.
 Only by customers complaining will we see improvement.


Don't hold your breath.  I've been bitching since they started the whole
Web 2.0 / HTML5 / Java nonsense migration, and it's only getting WORSE
with EVERY new version.

Opening a TAC case now presents you with no less than FIVE Java
authentication warning windows, if you have the latest Java.

Jeff

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Re: [c-nsp] Cisco bug locator?

2013-11-19 Thread Pete Lumbis
I can't comment on the state of the new bug toolkit (vomit) but to Mikaels
point:

Yes, there are crappy bugs. I see them every day. They are written by
humans with the information available at the time. TAC needs to do a better
job of following up on bugs after they are resolved to ensure the
information in the bug reflects the actual problem and symptom that
customers can see. It's a work in progress and sadly will never be perfect
(since again, it's written by humans). I would say you should ALWAYS open a
TAC case to fix bugs that you worry you are hitting. TAC engineers have the
resources to find further details and update the bug so it's readable (yes,
this is a pain in the ass. why should you have to open a case to translate
a bug to English? Again, bugs written by humans, generally with limited
information at the time of writing). This won't always be an easy process
but it's doable.

Regards,
Pete


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.sewrote:

 On Tue, 19 Nov 2013, Jay Hennigan wrote:

  Does anyone have a current URL for the Cisco bug toolkit that works the
 right way around?

 The link on their website now only allows you to enter a bug ID.  I am
 looking for the original bug tool that is actually useful, where you
 specify the IOS version, platform, and nature of the bug, and it then
 gives you the bug ID.

 This one is kind of useless.

 https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch


 Cisco has over the past years made their public bug information more and
 more useless, mostly by not documenting their bugs publically in a useful
 manner. That they would then cripple the search function would be no
 surprise to me.

 I have numerous times had to ask people within Cisco who have access to
 their internal tools for clarification on bugs in order to actually gain
 useful knowledge about what the bug actually is. I also had to numerous
 times ask cisco to actually publish the bug at all, just to be able to
 evaluate if a SMU should be applied or not. Yes, they released SMUs without
 the bug ID the SMU fixed being publically available. This has happened
 several times.

 So complain to your account team and give feedback on their website. Only
 by customers complaining will we see improvement.

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[c-nsp] Third party transceivers on NXOS

2013-11-19 Thread scott owens
Finisar and Avago here
in some cases we need more than a -25 dB sensitivity and 3rd party are the
only way to go.
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Re: [c-nsp] Bad routes in MPLS

2013-11-19 Thread Pete Lumbis
Generally these kinds of problems are triggered by routing changes. The
software that owns the routing table (show ip route/ show ip cef) needs to
update the hardware TCAM (show mls cef). This is true of both IP prefixes
and MPLS labels.

When you issue clear ip route you for the software to hardware
programming to happen again, generally avoiding whatever corner case
happened previously.

This is due to a bug nearly 100% of the time. Tracking down the bug you are
hitting can be a huge hassle. I would strongly recommend you upgrade to the
latest SRE code (make sure that SRE will support your SIP, I don't
remember...) where there have been a ton of fixes in this area and go from
there.


-Pete


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Tony td_mi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 We've been having an issue recently where we have routes on PE routers
 that look to be ok, but are not forwarding any traffic. Usually this can be
 resolved by doing clear ip route vrf vrf_name ip_prefix which causes
 the PE to re-learn the route and everything works again.

 This problem appears to be triggered by routing flap/changes. This can
 either be within a vrf (ie. PE-CE, BGP or OSPF) or our core IGP (PE-PE,
 OSPF). When it is a PE-CE route change it seems to only affect routes
 within that vrf, but when it is an IGP topology change it can affect pretty
 much any vrf.

 My initial though was that something is wrong in the stuff that is
 underlying the routing (eg. MPLS, LDP, CEF) and so I started looking, but
 can't see anything that is different from when it works and when it doesn't
 work. I've worked my way through most of show ip bgp vpnv4, show mpls
 forwarding-table, show mpls ip binding, etc. You can also work around
 the problem by adding a more specific route, which would bypass the dodgy
 route in question (but not fix the route, so that when the more specific
 route is removed it goes back to not working). I've also found that
 sometimes clearing the route (clear ip route ...) doesn't work, in which
 case the best way I've found to resolve that is to create a static route
 exactly the same on the PE but with a destination of null0, then remove
 this route again. This again causes the bad route to be flushed and
 replaced with one that now works.

 This has been happening for a couple of weeks, but was typically only
 affecting a prefix here or there and so we thought it just a bad quirk, but
 more recently we have had some occasions where it has caused widespread
 havoc affecting a good portion of routes on a single PE.

 The boxes in question are 7609 with dual sup720-3B and a variety of card
 (mostly SIP-400 + SPA-GE  ES20+) running 12.2(33)SRD4. I'm aware the
 software is a bit out of date and we are looking to schedule a maintenance
 window for upgrading (at this stage a week away from now). The boxes are
 not heavily loaded from a CPU, memory or traffic perspective.

 Any thoughts on where I might look to try and see an actual error (ie.
 something corrupt) or any other troubleshooting that could be done. I have
 opened a case with TAC (and as per recent thread, OMFG was that PAINFUL !)
 and will see where that goes. I imagine their first response might be
 upgrade/reboot but I'm hoping not and they might have some sensible
 suggestions.


 Happy to post output of some of the troubleshooting I've already done, but
 thought that would just add a heap of extra information to this post and
 wuld just cause people's eye's to glaze over.

 Thanks,
 Tony.
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Re: [c-nsp] Possible split horizon issue with bgp signalled vpls

2013-11-19 Thread Pete Lumbis
I can confirm that CSCuh05321 is 100% fixed in 15.3.3S1a. If you are seeing
problems similar to this it is a different issue.


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:33 AM, Adam Vitkovsky adam.vitkov...@swan.skwrote:

 That's what I was about to ask as the CSCuh05321 is actually listed under
 15.3(3)S caveats not under 15.3(3)S1a so I'd assume it is resolved in S1a
 already right?

 adam
 -Original Message-
 From: cisco-nsp [mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of
 Nick
 Ryce
 Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:14 PM
 To: Jason Lixfeld
 Cc: cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
 Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Possible split horizon issue with bgp signalled vpls

 Hi Jason,

 CSCuh05321 says it is fixed in the S1 release so would that not mean that
 it
 is also in S1a?

 Nick


 On 19 Nov 2013, at 03:50, Jason Lixfeld
 ja...@lixfeld.camailto:ja...@lixfeld.ca wrote:

 Just be mindful of CSCuh05321 if you are going to try S1a.  If you think
 you
 might hit that, I'd suggest moving to static vpls and skip that release
 until it's fixed.

 Also, with S1a, look at CSCtl54835 and verify or else your isis adjacencies
 will break.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 18, 2013, at 10:08 PM, Nick Ryce
 n...@fluency.net.ukmailto:n...@fluency.net.uk wrote:

 Just found 1 switch on 15.3(2)S so may be worth a punt and upgrade

 Nick
 On 19 Nov 2013, at 02:02, Jason Lixfeld
 ja...@lixfeld.camailto:ja...@lixfeld.ca wrote:

 Issues I was having with BGP signalled VPLS a couple of months ago in
 15.3(2)S1 resulted in filing CSCui46390.  I'd otherwise suggest trying
 15.3(3)S1a to see fix works, but that version seems to have introduced
 CSCuh05321, so I think that might end badly for you; it did for me :(

 On Nov 18, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Nick Ryce
 n...@fluency.net.ukmailto:n...@fluency.net.uk wrote:

 Hi,

 I'm tearing my hair out with this one and can't figure out how to resolve
 it.

 I have 3 switches that have a BGP signalled VPLS with customer routers
 hanging off the end of all 3 ( one switch has 2 cpe )

 All have the RD 56595:4 and RT 56595:4

 All pseudo wires are up between the switches with config snippets below:-

 Switch 1

 VFI name: FLVPLS004, state: up, type: multipoint, signaling: BGP VPN ID: 4,
 VE-ID: 3, VE-SIZE: 10
 RD: 56595:4, RT: 56595:4, 56595:4
 Bridge-Domain 903 attachment circuits:
   Vlan903
 Neighbors connected via pseudowires:
 Interface  Peer AddressVE-ID  Local Label  Remote LabelS
 pseudowire100033   46.226.0.9  2  402  39  Y
 pseudowire100037   46.226.0.14 1  401  49  Y

 This switch has 1 cpe with any vlan tags stripped and can ping all devices
 on the other switches


 Switch 2

 VFI name: FLVPLS004, state: up, type: multipoint, signaling: BGP VPN ID: 4,
 VE-ID: 1, VE-SIZE: 10
 RD: 56595:4, RT: 56595:4, 56595:4
 Bridge-Domain 11 attachment circuits:
   Vlan11
 Neighbors connected via pseudowires:
 Interface  Peer AddressVE-ID  Local Label  Remote LabelS
 pseudowire100015   46.226.0.12 3  49   401 Y
 pseudowire100018   46.226.0.9  2  48   37  Y

 This switch has 2 cpe's with any vlan tags stripped.  They can ping each
 other and the device connected to switch 1 but cannot ping device on switch
 3

 Switch 3

 VFI name: FLVPLS004, state: up, type: multipoint, signaling: BGP VPN ID: 4,
 VE-ID: 2, VE-SIZE: 10
 RD: 56595:4, RT: 56595:4, 56595:4
 Bridge-Domain 4 attachment circuits:
   Vlan4
 Neighbors connected via pseudowires:
 Interface  Peer AddressVE-ID  Local Label  Remote LabelS
 pseudowire100028   46.226.0.12 3  39   402 Y
 pseudowire100027   46.226.0.14 1  37   28  Y

 This switch has 1 cpe device connected with any vlan tags stripped and can
 only ping the device on switch 1


 Each switch can see all the correct mac addresses.

 It sounds like split horizon but I assumed this was only to do with the
 local switch?

 All devices are running 15.3(3)S

 Any help much appreciated.

 Nick




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Re: [c-nsp] Possible split horizon issue with bgp signalled vpls

2013-11-19 Thread Pete Lumbis
Any idea why Switch 3 has remote label 28 instead of 48?

Do you know if the issue is unidirectional or bidirectional? That is, can
Sw2 send to Sw3 but Sw3 can't send back?


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Nick Ryce n...@fluency.net.uk wrote:

 Hi,

 I’m tearing my hair out with this one and can’t figure out how to resolve
 it.

 I have 3 switches that have a BGP signalled VPLS with customer routers
 hanging off the end of all 3 ( one switch has 2 cpe )

 All have the RD 56595:4 and RT 56595:4

 All pseudo wires are up between the switches with config snippets below:-

 Switch 1

 VFI name: FLVPLS004, state: up, type: multipoint, signaling: BGP
   VPN ID: 4, VE-ID: 3, VE-SIZE: 10
   RD: 56595:4, RT: 56595:4, 56595:4
   Bridge-Domain 903 attachment circuits:
 Vlan903
   Neighbors connected via pseudowires:
   Interface  Peer AddressVE-ID  Local Label  Remote LabelS
   pseudowire100033   46.226.0.9  2  402  39  Y
   pseudowire100037   46.226.0.14 1  401  49  Y

 This switch has 1 cpe with any vlan tags stripped and can ping all devices
 on the other switches


 Switch 2

 VFI name: FLVPLS004, state: up, type: multipoint, signaling: BGP
   VPN ID: 4, VE-ID: 1, VE-SIZE: 10
   RD: 56595:4, RT: 56595:4, 56595:4
   Bridge-Domain 11 attachment circuits:
 Vlan11
   Neighbors connected via pseudowires:
   Interface  Peer AddressVE-ID  Local Label  Remote LabelS
   pseudowire100015   46.226.0.12 3  49   401 Y
   pseudowire100018   46.226.0.9  2  48   37  Y

 This switch has 2 cpe’s with any vlan tags stripped.  They can ping each
 other and the device connected to switch 1 but cannot ping device on switch
 3

 Switch 3

 VFI name: FLVPLS004, state: up, type: multipoint, signaling: BGP
   VPN ID: 4, VE-ID: 2, VE-SIZE: 10
   RD: 56595:4, RT: 56595:4, 56595:4
   Bridge-Domain 4 attachment circuits:
 Vlan4
   Neighbors connected via pseudowires:
   Interface  Peer AddressVE-ID  Local Label  Remote LabelS
   pseudowire100028   46.226.0.12 3  39   402 Y
   pseudowire100027   46.226.0.14 1  37   28  Y

 This switch has 1 cpe device connected with any vlan tags stripped and can
 only ping the device on switch 1


 Each switch can see all the correct mac addresses.

 It sounds like split horizon but I assumed this was only to do with the
 local switch?

 All devices are running 15.3(3)S

 Any help much appreciated.

 Nick




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Re: [c-nsp] Cisco bug locator?

2013-11-19 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson

On Tue, 19 Nov 2013, Pete Lumbis wrote:


Yes, there are crappy bugs. I see them every day. They are written by
humans with the information available at the time. TAC needs to do a better


That is not the problem. If I read a crappy bug description and then 
contact someone with access to internal cisco systems, the internal 
description is *much* better. The information is there, it's just not 
published to customers.



(since again, it's written by humans). I would say you should ALWAYS open a
TAC case to fix bugs that you worry you are hitting. TAC engineers have the
resources to find further details and update the bug so it's readable (yes,
this is a pain in the ass. why should you have to open a case to translate
a bug to English? Again, bugs written by humans, generally with limited
information at the time of writing). This won't always be an easy process
but it's doable.


5-10 years ago it was possible to do bug scrubs based on information on 
CCO. This is no longer possible, now one needs to pay advanced services 
for their NOS service to be able to do it, just because the customer 
accessable information just isn't complete enough.


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[c-nsp] raspberry pi

2013-11-19 Thread Preston Chilcote (pchilcot)
Hi Everyone,
I'm curious:  Does anyone use one or more raspberry pis in their network
(for networking related stuff)?  What kinds of things are they used for?

Thanks,
 Preston Chilcote





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Re: [c-nsp] raspberry pi

2013-11-19 Thread Chris Knipe
NTP servers out in a wireless network ;-)

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On 20 Nov 2013 08:24, Preston Chilcote (pchilcot) pchil...@cisco.com
wrote:

 Hi Everyone,
 I'm curious:  Does anyone use one or more raspberry pis in their network
 (for networking related stuff)?  What kinds of things are they used for?

 Thanks,
  Preston Chilcote





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Re: [c-nsp] Catalyst 6500: IPv6-enabled SVIs

2013-11-19 Thread Vladimir Troitskiy
My previous e-mail had a wrong subject, so it wasn't displayed in the web
version of this thread in various mailing-list archives (e.g. gossamer).

Sorry for dup but let me repeat the message. Hope it will be useful for
someone who will face the same problem.

The reason of that hardware TCAM label capacity issue was ipv6
multicast-routing:

Cat6500#sh tcam counts ipv6 Used Free Reserved  
Labels:(in) 160 352 Labels:(eg) 5 507

Cat6500#conf t Enter configuration commands, one per line. End with CNTL/Z.
Cat6500(config)#no ipv6 multicast-routing Cat6500(config)#end

Cat6500#sh tcam counts ipv6 Used Free Reserved  
Labels:(in) 11 501 Labels:(eg) 5 507

I disabled ipv6 multicast-routing on test box with 12.2 SXJ3 and did some
quick tests - IPv6 works without any issues.

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