Stus-List Caulking for keel bolts
Gentlemen, I raised the mast about 2 ft. yesterday for the first time in several years and found the keel bolt relatively loose with very little caulking under the SS washer. I would like to know what are the best choices in caulking compound to use under the washer. I would assume that you lay down a generous bed of compound, tighten the nut lightly, allow to set for 24 hrs, and then torque to the 350 ft/lbs required. Thanks in advance for any advice. Bill Caprice 1 1978 CC 36 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Caulking for keel bolts
I used Sikaflex, seems to have worked fine Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Connon via CnC-List Sent: September 19, 2014 8:12 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Caulking for keel bolts Gentlemen, I raised the mast about 2 ft. yesterday for the first time in several years and found the keel bolt relatively loose with very little caulking under the SS washer. I would like to know what are the best choices in caulking compound to use under the washer. I would assume that you lay down a generous bed of compound, tighten the nut lightly, allow to set for 24 hrs, and then torque to the 350 ft/lbs required. Thanks in advance for any advice. Bill Caprice 1 1978 CC 36 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8224 - Release Date: 09/16/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Red light myth?
Red light for night vision is NOT a myth, but there are some issues with it. I have long experience with it both sailing and as a pilot. Any decent camera has a lens made of different types of glass layered together or otherwise designed to focus red, green, and blue light in the same spot. Our eyes do not - we have a simple one-element lens optimized around green light. Red light is very poor for doing fine detail work or reading small print. Most people lose flexibility in their lens as they age and usually this results in not being able to focus as close as before - i.e. reading glasses. This also affects the ability to focus red light. I used to teach in a plane that only had red panel lighting and some of my older students had a very hard time reading the instruments while I - younger back then - had no issue at all. Red light is also horrible for reading charts, all the color detail washes out. We had another plane with white instrument lights and red area lights for the cockpit. I liked that one the best, we would turn up the red light enough to see what was what and turn down the instrument lights until they were a very dim yellowish white. If the white is dim enough it didn't ruin our night vision and was much easier to read than just using the red overhead lights. Mercedes and Porsche use a similar idea, or at least they did back when I had them. Both cars used black dial instruments with orange-red needles and white lights. You could dim it way down and still read the gauges just fine. BMW uses an orange-red that works pretty well and Audi uses pure red. Once you get past a certain age the organge-ish (amber?) color is easier to focus and I think what you lose moving away from pure red you gain by not needing it to be so bright* to focus. * more camera tech. Bright light, for both cameras and your eyes, means reducing the amount of light with your iris getting smaller or the mechanical version in a camera. Due to the physics involved you gain depth of field by doing this, so things are in focus in front of and behind the focus point. If you are far sighted, you might be able to read something a lot closer in bright light than in dim light because of this and red light makes this happen even more. So - IMHO and I Am Not An Eye Doctor - I have set my boat up with all red lights for night sailing. The red is fine for getting around and finding large objects. My compass has big enough markings to look fine in red light as do the engine gauges. I can deploy a small dim white light at the chart table if I need to, but it is a rare occasion now for me to work on paper charts. I do set the computer plotter to be as dim as it can be an turn down the screen brightness on the laptop to the lowest setting, but still in color. If I shift it to night mode with black background I seem lose a lot of detail. I do see many plotters WAY too bright at night. I see boats going by with the helmsman clearly illuminated by the plotter. I do not see how they can see even as far as the bow. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Red light myth?
Ted: Thanks for the description of what's happening to my eyesmakes lotd of things clearer. Incidentally, my wife's new Mercedes has ambient lighting surrounding the interior at night which is Amber, I'm told that I can change it to red or blue, but I agree that the amber is a very nice surrounding for night driving. The ambient lighting comes from strips of LEDs??? Along each side of the door trim moldings under the window sill both front and back. Best, Ron C. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:07 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Red light myth? Red light for night vision is NOT a myth, but there are some issues with it. I have long experience with it both sailing and as a pilot. Any decent camera has a lens made of different types of glass layered together or otherwise designed to focus red, green, and blue light in the same spot. Our eyes do not - we have a simple one-element lens optimized around green light. Red light is very poor for doing fine detail work or reading small print. Most people lose flexibility in their lens as they age and usually this results in not being able to focus as close as before - i.e. reading glasses. This also affects the ability to focus red light. I used to teach in a plane that only had red panel lighting and some of my older students had a very hard time reading the instruments while I - younger back then - had no issue at all. Red light is also horrible for reading charts, all the color detail washes out. We had another plane with white instrument lights and red area lights for the cockpit. I liked that one the best, we would turn up the red light enough to see what was what and turn down the instrument lights until they were a very dim yellowish white. If the white is dim enough it didn't ruin our night vision and was much easier to read than just using the red overhead lights. Mercedes and Porsche use a similar idea, or at least they did back when I had them. Both cars used black dial instruments with orange-red needles and white lights. You could dim it way down and still read the gauges just fine. BMW uses an orange-red that works pretty well and Audi uses pure red. Once you get past a certain age the organge-ish (amber?) color is easier to focus and I think what you lose moving away from pure red you gain by not needing it to be so bright* to focus. * more camera tech. Bright light, for both cameras and your eyes, means reducing the amount of light with your iris getting smaller or the mechanical version in a camera. Due to the physics involved you gain depth of field by doing this, so things are in focus in front of and behind the focus point. If you are far sighted, you might be able to read something a lot closer in bright light than in dim light because of this and red light makes this happen even more. So - IMHO and I Am Not An Eye Doctor - I have set my boat up with all red lights for night sailing. The red is fine for getting around and finding large objects. My compass has big enough markings to look fine in red light as do the engine gauges. I can deploy a small dim white light at the chart table if I need to, but it is a rare occasion now for me to work on paper charts. I do set the computer plotter to be as dim as it can be an turn down the screen brightness on the laptop to the lowest setting, but still in color. If I shift it to night mode with black background I seem lose a lot of detail. I do see many plotters WAY too bright at night. I see boats going by with the helmsman clearly illuminated by the plotter. I do not see how they can see even as far as the bow. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Red light myth?
I prefer black lights :) -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Casciato via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:41 AM To: 'Joe Della Barba'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Red light myth? Ted: Thanks for the description of what's happening to my eyesmakes lotd of things clearer. Incidentally, my wife's new Mercedes has ambient lighting surrounding the interior at night which is Amber, I'm told that I can change it to red or blue, but I agree that the amber is a very nice surrounding for night driving. The ambient lighting comes from strips of LEDs??? Along each side of the door trim moldings under the window sill both front and back. Best, Ron C. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:07 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Red light myth? Red light for night vision is NOT a myth, but there are some issues with it. I have long experience with it both sailing and as a pilot. Any decent camera has a lens made of different types of glass layered together or otherwise designed to focus red, green, and blue light in the same spot. Our eyes do not - we have a simple one-element lens optimized around green light. Red light is very poor for doing fine detail work or reading small print. Most people lose flexibility in their lens as they age and usually this results in not being able to focus as close as before - i.e. reading glasses. This also affects the ability to focus red light. I used to teach in a plane that only had red panel lighting and some of my older students had a very hard time reading the instruments while I - younger back then - had no issue at all. Red light is also horrible for reading charts, all the color detail washes out. We had another plane with white instrument lights and red area lights for the cockpit. I liked that one the best, we would turn up the red light enough to see what was what and turn down the instrument lights until they were a very dim yellowish white. If the white is dim enough it didn't ruin our night vision and was much easier to read than just using the red overhead lights. Mercedes and Porsche use a similar idea, or at least they did back when I had them. Both cars used black dial instruments with orange-red needles and white lights. You could dim it way down and still read the gauges just fine. BMW uses an orange-red that works pretty well and Audi uses pure red. Once you get past a certain age the organge-ish (amber?) color is easier to focus and I think what you lose moving away from pure red you gain by not needing it to be so bright* to focus. * more camera tech. Bright light, for both cameras and your eyes, means reducing the amount of light with your iris getting smaller or the mechanical version in a camera. Due to the physics involved you gain depth of field by doing this, so things are in focus in front of and behind the focus point. If you are far sighted, you might be able to read something a lot closer in bright light than in dim light because of this and red light makes this happen even more. So - IMHO and I Am Not An Eye Doctor - I have set my boat up with all red lights for night sailing. The red is fine for getting around and finding large objects. My compass has big enough markings to look fine in red light as do the engine gauges. I can deploy a small dim white light at the chart table if I need to, but it is a rare occasion now for me to work on paper charts. I do set the computer plotter to be as dim as it can be an turn down the screen brightness on the laptop to the lowest setting, but still in color. If I shift it to night mode with black background I seem lose a lot of detail. I do see many plotters WAY too bright at night. I see boats going by with the helmsman clearly illuminated by the plotter. I do not see how they can see even as far as the bow. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List sailing under jib alone
All, Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work. Unfurled the jib in 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and hoist the main. I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load on the rigging. Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the total load is a lot less under one sail. Thoughts? Joel 35/3 Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Red light myth?
Some airplanes use black lights and fluorescent paint on the instruments. I saw an airplane from Poland set up that way. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:51 AM To: 'Ron Casciato'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Red light myth? I prefer black lights :) -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Casciato via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:41 AM To: 'Joe Della Barba'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Red light myth? Ted: Thanks for the description of what's happening to my eyesmakes lotd of things clearer. Incidentally, my wife's new Mercedes has ambient lighting surrounding the interior at night which is Amber, I'm told that I can change it to red or blue, but I agree that the amber is a very nice surrounding for night driving. The ambient lighting comes from strips of LEDs??? Along each side of the door trim moldings under the window sill both front and back. Best, Ron C. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:07 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Red light myth? Red light for night vision is NOT a myth, but there are some issues with it. I have long experience with it both sailing and as a pilot. Any decent camera has a lens made of different types of glass layered together or otherwise designed to focus red, green, and blue light in the same spot. Our eyes do not - we have a simple one-element lens optimized around green light. Red light is very poor for doing fine detail work or reading small print. Most people lose flexibility in their lens as they age and usually this results in not being able to focus as close as before - i.e. reading glasses. This also affects the ability to focus red light. I used to teach in a plane that only had red panel lighting and some of my older students had a very hard time reading the instruments while I - younger back then - had no issue at all. Red light is also horrible for reading charts, all the color detail washes out. We had another plane with white instrument lights and red area lights for the cockpit. I liked that one the best, we would turn up the red light enough to see what was what and turn down the instrument lights until they were a very dim yellowish white. If the white is dim enough it didn't ruin our night vision and was much easier to read than just using the red overhead lights. Mercedes and Porsche use a similar idea, or at least they did back when I had them. Both cars used black dial instruments with orange-red needles and white lights. You could dim it way down and still read the gauges just fine. BMW uses an orange-red that works pretty well and Audi uses pure red. Once you get past a certain age the organge-ish (amber?) color is easier to focus and I think what you lose moving away from pure red you gain by not needing it to be so bright* to focus. * more camera tech. Bright light, for both cameras and your eyes, means reducing the amount of light with your iris getting smaller or the mechanical version in a camera. Due to the physics involved you gain depth of field by doing this, so things are in focus in front of and behind the focus point. If you are far sighted, you might be able to read something a lot closer in bright light than in dim light because of this and red light makes this happen even more. So - IMHO and I Am Not An Eye Doctor - I have set my boat up with all red lights for night sailing. The red is fine for getting around and finding large objects. My compass has big enough markings to look fine in red light as do the engine gauges. I can deploy a small dim white light at the chart table if I need to, but it is a rare occasion now for me to work on paper charts. I do set the computer plotter to be as dim as it can be an turn down the screen brightness on the laptop to the lowest setting, but still in color. If I shift it to night mode with black background I seem lose a lot of detail. I do see many plotters WAY too bright at night. I see boats going by with the helmsman clearly illuminated by the plotter. I do not see how they can see even as far as the bow. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at:
Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
I can’t speak for all boats, but I have been doing this since the 1980s and the rig is still intact. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List sailing under jib alone All, Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work. Unfurled the jib in 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and hoist the main. I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load on the rigging. Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the total load is a lot less under one sail. Thoughts? Joel 35/3 Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
I also been using jib/genoa only for leisurely sail, especially if I have
guests who are not sailors. Also did it in winds causing small craft warning
when single handling. (Even surfed the boat regularly). No issues with the
rig.
If you do the 'math' the extra load on the backstay is small.
Leslie
Phoenix, CC32 1983
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Subject: Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
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#yiv0687702606 I can’t speak for all boats, but
I have been doing this since the 1980s and the rig is still
intact. Joe Della barba...@dellabarba.com Coquina CC 35 MK
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Friday, September 19, 2014 12:00 PM
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Subject: Stus-List sailing under jib
alone All, Earlier this week I went out
for a lazy sail after work. Unfurled the jib in 10 knots
of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover
and hoist the main. I've read that sailing
under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load on
the rigging. Seems to me that the load is minimal in light
air and the total load is a lot less under one
sail.
Thoughts? Joel35/3Annapolis
--
Joel
301
541 8551
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Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
I often go jib only when shorthanded. You lose a little point on the 27-3 but that's all. -Original Message- From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: 2014-09-19 12:04 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List sailing under jib alone All, Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work. Unfurled the jib in 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and hoist the main. I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load on the rigging. Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the total load is a lot less under one sail. Thoughts? Joel 35/3 Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Red light myth?
I was kidding. Are you? I actually have to ask. It kind of makes sense. I am a private pilot and don't have much time at night but I believe the flashlight I used to read my charts was red or blue -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:08 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Red light myth? Some airplanes use black lights and fluorescent paint on the instruments. I saw an airplane from Poland set up that way. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:51 AM To: 'Ron Casciato'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Red light myth? I prefer black lights :) -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Casciato via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:41 AM To: 'Joe Della Barba'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Red light myth? Ted: Thanks for the description of what's happening to my eyesmakes lotd of things clearer. Incidentally, my wife's new Mercedes has ambient lighting surrounding the interior at night which is Amber, I'm told that I can change it to red or blue, but I agree that the amber is a very nice surrounding for night driving. The ambient lighting comes from strips of LEDs??? Along each side of the door trim moldings under the window sill both front and back. Best, Ron C. -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:07 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Red light myth? Red light for night vision is NOT a myth, but there are some issues with it. I have long experience with it both sailing and as a pilot. Any decent camera has a lens made of different types of glass layered together or otherwise designed to focus red, green, and blue light in the same spot. Our eyes do not - we have a simple one-element lens optimized around green light. Red light is very poor for doing fine detail work or reading small print. Most people lose flexibility in their lens as they age and usually this results in not being able to focus as close as before - i.e. reading glasses. This also affects the ability to focus red light. I used to teach in a plane that only had red panel lighting and some of my older students had a very hard time reading the instruments while I - younger back then - had no issue at all. Red light is also horrible for reading charts, all the color detail washes out. We had another plane with white instrument lights and red area lights for the cockpit. I liked that one the best, we would turn up the red light enough to see what was what and turn down the instrument lights until they were a very dim yellowish white. If the white is dim enough it didn't ruin our night vision and was much easier to read than just using the red overhead lights. Mercedes and Porsche use a similar idea, or at least they did back when I had them. Both cars used black dial instruments with orange-red needles and white lights. You could dim it way down and still read the gauges just fine. BMW uses an orange-red that works pretty well and Audi uses pure red. Once you get past a certain age the organge-ish (amber?) color is easier to focus and I think what you lose moving away from pure red you gain by not needing it to be so bright* to focus. * more camera tech. Bright light, for both cameras and your eyes, means reducing the amount of light with your iris getting smaller or the mechanical version in a camera. Due to the physics involved you gain depth of field by doing this, so things are in focus in front of and behind the focus point. If you are far sighted, you might be able to read something a lot closer in bright light than in dim light because of this and red light makes this happen even more. So - IMHO and I Am Not An Eye Doctor - I have set my boat up with all red lights for night sailing. The red is fine for getting around and finding large objects. My compass has big enough markings to look fine in red light as do the engine gauges. I can deploy a small dim white light at the chart table if I need to, but it is a rare occasion now for me to work on paper charts. I do set the computer plotter to be as dim as it can be an turn down the screen brightness on the laptop to the lowest setting, but still in color. If I shift it to night mode with black background I seem lose a lot of detail. I do see many plotters WAY too bright at night. I see boats going by with the helmsman clearly illuminated by the plotter. I do not see how they can see even as far as the bow. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email
Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
I've also heard that sailing with just the jib is bad but I'm not sure I buy it. When you sail with the main and jib you are not removing the point load from the jib, but adding the distributed load from the main as well. By the way, what has surprised me is how well the 35-1 balances with just the jib (No. 2). In flat water, 10-12 kts breeze, I can let go of the wheel and the boat sails herself for 5 min or more. Maybe my rig is out of balance? Neil Gallagher Weatherly, 35-1 Glen Cove, NY On 9/19/2014 12:00 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote: All, Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work. Unfurled the jib in 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and hoist the main. I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load on the rigging. Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the total load is a lot less under one sail. Thoughts? Joel 35/3 Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
I am afraid that the idea of the “uneven loading on the rig” is another myth. Your rig (not the rigging, but the boat, as a whole) is unbalanced. How much, it depends on the size and shape of your jib. I think the problem stems from the fact that in lighter winds, you want to have as much sail as you can or you are not moving. And in the strong winds, you might be unbalanced to the point that it is difficult to steer (the boat would have a tendency to bear off). You may also find it to be difficult to tack, especially in waves. But if any of those does not wear _you_ off, the boat would be fine. Marek From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List sailing under jib alone All, Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work. Unfurled the jib in 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and hoist the main. I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load on the rigging. Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the total load is a lot less under one sail. Thoughts? Joel 35/3 Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
My very limited experience flying only a jib was all good but the load on the rudder was unnervingly negative when the wind picked up into the 15 kt range. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Irvin via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:56 PM To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone I often go jib only when shorthanded. You lose a little point on the 27-3 but that's all. _ From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: 2014-09-19 12:04 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List sailing under jib alone All, Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work. Unfurled the jib in 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and hoist the main. I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load on the rigging. Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the total load is a lot less under one sail. Thoughts? Joel 35/3 Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
I remember reading somewhere years ago that the main helps stabilize the rig. Not sure exactly what that means, but every time you fall off a wave the rig vibrates. If you have the main up, it probably prevents some of the vibration. That might be a factor if you have a fragile rig. On 9/19/2014 9:58 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: I am afraid that the idea of the “uneven loading on the rig” is another myth. Your rig (not the rigging, but the boat, as a whole) is unbalanced. How much, it depends on the size and shape of your jib. I think the problem stems from the fact that in lighter winds, you want to have as much sail as you can or you are not moving. And in the strong winds, you might be unbalanced to the point that it is difficult to steer (the boat would have a tendency to bear off). You may also find it to be difficult to tack, especially in waves. But if any of those does not wear _you_ off, the boat would be fine. Marek From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List sailing under jib alone All, Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work. Unfurled the jib in 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and hoist the main. I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load on the rigging. Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the total load is a lot less under one sail. Thoughts? Joel 35/3 Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
The main functions the same as a line going from the masthead to the end of the boom. The mainsheet and vang pulling that structure downward act on that to pull the mast rearward, or at least apply pressure in that direction. I sometimes sail with just the Genoa, but I do apply a little tension to the backstay as a precaution. I also never move the boat anywhere, even under power, without having both the main and genoa (as well as the anchor) ready to deploy on short notice if the need arises. I single hand most of the time, so planning ahead is always a big priority. Bill Bina On 9/19/2014 1:11 PM, Greg Arnold via CnC-List wrote: I remember reading somewhere years ago that the main helps stabilize the rig. Not sure exactly what that means, but every time you fall off a wave the rig vibrates. If you have the main up, it probably prevents some of the vibration. That might be a factor if you have a fragile rig. On 9/19/2014 9:58 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote: I am afraid that the idea of the uneven loading on the rig is another myth. Your rig (not the rigging, but the boat, as a whole) is unbalanced. How much, it depends on the size and shape of your jib. I think the problem stems from the fact that in lighter winds, you want to have as much sail as you can or you are not moving. And in the strong winds, you might be unbalanced to the point that it is difficult to steer (the boat would have a tendency to bear off). You may also find it to be difficult to tack, especially in waves. But if any of those does not wear _you_ off, the boat would be fine. Marek *From:* Joel Aronson via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 12:00 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List sailing under jib alone All, Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work. Unfurled the jib in 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and hoist the main. I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load on the rigging. Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the total load is a lot less under one sail. Thoughts? Joel 35/3 Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
I do this more often than not when not racing. And when racing, a few instances where the wind went 25 - 35 Kts, button up the main and use the Genoa alone. I will leave the genoa slightly cracked off though, because keeping it flat in those conditions is a lot of strain. It sails great like this. Bill Coleman CC 39 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List sailing under jib alone All, Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work. Â Unfurled the jib in 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and hoist the main. I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load on the rigging. Â Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the total load is a lot less under one sail. Thoughts? Joel 35/3 Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
Bill said: I also never move the boat anywhere, even under power, without having both the main and genoa (as well as the anchor) ready to deploy on short notice if the need arises. I think, it is otherwise called “good seamanship”, isn’t it? Marek___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
I have sailed in storm conditions several times with only a jib and no problems. The main, when hoisted, dies stabilize the mast. But with the rig on the 40, for instance, I would crank on the baby stay and back stay to induce bend and then rig the runners fairly hard. The mast would be perfectly stable and I would be confident I wasn't going to harm the rig. Bottom line: don't hesitate to sail under jib alone. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Sep 19, 2014, at 12:58, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I am afraid that the idea of the “uneven loading on the rig” is another myth. Your rig (not the rigging, but the boat, as a whole) is unbalanced. How much, it depends on the size and shape of your jib. I think the problem stems from the fact that in lighter winds, you want to have as much sail as you can or you are not moving. And in the strong winds, you might be unbalanced to the point that it is difficult to steer (the boat would have a tendency to bear off). You may also find it to be difficult to tack, especially in waves. But if any of those does not wear _you_ off, the boat would be fine. Marek From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List sailing under jib alone All, Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work. Unfurled the jib in 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and hoist the main. I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load on the rigging. Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the total load is a lot less under one sail. Thoughts? Joel 35/3 Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List suspect autopilot
All, The weekend's project is to trace down the dead autopilot. Looking for ideas about likely suspects to prioritize the process. Standard Raymarine Wheelpilot- X5? Been working great for years. Chugging up the river trying to beat the rain last Sunday after a weekend out and it died. Actual symptom is the breaker blew so the depth, wind, speed and auto went dark. After getting back on course, had the Admiral flip the breaker and all the units came back including right heading numbers on the auto pilot but engaging the autopilot did nothing (not even a whimper out of the motor) except blow the breaker again. So we hand steered home and left the issue for another day. Shorted wires, dead motor, or ? Worked fine going out and halfway back. No event- (wake, rain, course change) it just stopped. It was not working hard. Anyone have any ideas on what voltages I should see where. There is a rudder position indicator in the mix. Looking for a 'Mine did that and it was the Thanks Kim Brown TrustMe!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List suspect autopilot
There is a separate power cable to the computer. I'd disconnect it or the power cable to the display to isolate the problem. Or call Ray or post on their forum and talk to someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Friday, September 19, 2014, Kim Brown via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, The weekend's project is to trace down the dead autopilot. Looking for ideas about likely suspects to prioritize the process. Standard Raymarine Wheelpilot- X5? Been working great for years. Chugging up the river trying to beat the rain last Sunday after a weekend out and it died. Actual symptom is the breaker blew so the depth, wind, speed and auto went dark. After getting back on course, had the Admiral flip the breaker and all the units came back including right heading numbers on the auto pilot but engaging the autopilot did nothing (not even a whimper out of the motor) except blow the breaker again. So we hand steered home and left the issue for another day. Shorted wires, dead motor, or ? Worked fine going out and halfway back. No event- (wake, rain, course change) it just stopped. It was not working hard. Anyone have any ideas on what voltages I should see where. There is a rudder position indicator in the mix. Looking for a 'Mine did that and it was the Thanks Kim Brown TrustMe!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:; To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List suspect autopilot
Kim — it sounds like the drive motor may have frozen up; when you try to engage it, it draws too much current and pops the breaker. If you disconnect the drive from the control head, you should be able to make it turn by applying 12 volts across the two leads; the direction it turns will be determined by the polarity when you hook it up. If this doesn’t work, or if you pop the fuse you of course put in line with the +12V lead, then the drive motor is probably dead. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Kim Brown via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, The weekend's project is to trace down the dead autopilot. Looking for ideas about likely suspects to prioritize the process. Standard Raymarine Wheelpilot- X5? Been working great for years. Chugging up the river trying to beat the rain last Sunday after a weekend out and it died. Actual symptom is the breaker blew so the depth, wind, speed and auto went dark. After getting back on course, had the Admiral flip the breaker and all the units came back including right heading numbers on the auto pilot but engaging the autopilot did nothing (not even a whimper out of the motor) except blow the breaker again. So we hand steered home and left the issue for another day. Shorted wires, dead motor, or ? Worked fine going out and halfway back. No event- (wake, rain, course change) it just stopped. It was not working hard. Anyone have any ideas on what voltages I should see where. There is a rudder position indicator in the mix. Looking for a 'Mine did that and it was the Thanks Kim Brown TrustMe!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
I imagine that not sailing with jib only applies to fractional rigs without running back stays. It could also apply to mast head rigs with out back stays. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Porland, Or On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work. Unfurled the jib in 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and hoist the main. I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load on the rigging. Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the total load is a lot less under one sail. Thoughts? Joel 35/3 Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
… applies to fractional rigs without running back stays. It could also apply to mast head rigs without back stays. What Fred said matches my understanding of why there may be some concern expressed by some sailors regarding sailing with head sails only. In the very old days the ship’s rudders were so small and weak balancing and steering the vessel by the location and trim of the sails was necessary. Modern designs and construction methods allow us to compensate for an un-balanced rig with mechanical advantage and a strong rudder. During the heyday of IOR designs, including fractional rigs, many designers and owners in search of the smallest advantage would put up a lightly built small section mast. I recall seeing 4 and 5 spreader rigs on 40’ boats with very small section mast extrusions. Many of these rigs appreciated the additional fore and aft stabilization that the mainsail gave to the mast itself. Many of these rigs went over the side owing to operator error. For those of us sailing a well maintained non-custom (thinking Evergreen here) CC design with the headsail only in most conditions but certainly in light air will not jeopardize the rig’s stability. If you find yourself in heavy air “pounding” conditions it may be well to sight up the mast as the boat makes a hard landing to be sure the mast “pumping” (fore and aft”) is under control. In those extreme conditions some mainsail load may add some dampening to the mast pumping. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hazzard via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:36 PM To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone I imagine that not sailing with jib only applies to fractional rigs without running back stays. It could also apply to mast head rigs with out back stays. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Porland, Or On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work. Unfurled the jib in 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and hoist the main. I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load on the rigging. Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the total load is a lot less under one sail. Thoughts? Joel 35/3 Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551tel:301%20541%208551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
I figure that with the 'tree stump' of a mast on the 30-1, I should be OK. I have done it a couple of times when the wind is up (rare, around here) and used the working jib. No problem. Gary - Original Message - From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List To: Fred Hazzard ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone … applies to fractional rigs without running back stays. It could also apply to mast head rigs without back stays. What Fred said matches my understanding of why there may be some concern expressed by some sailors regarding sailing with head sails only. In the very old days the ship’s rudders were so small and weak balancing and steering the vessel by the location and trim of the sails was necessary. Modern designs and construction methods allow us to compensate for an un-balanced rig with mechanical advantage and a strong rudder. During the heyday of IOR designs, including fractional rigs, many designers and owners in search of the smallest advantage would put up a lightly built small section mast. I recall seeing 4 and 5 spreader rigs on 40’ boats with very small section mast extrusions. Many of these rigs appreciated the additional fore and aft stabilization that the mainsail gave to the mast itself. Many of these rigs went over the side owing to operator error. For those of us sailing a well maintained non-custom (thinking Evergreen here) CC design with the headsail only in most conditions but certainly in light air will not jeopardize the rig’s stability. If you find yourself in heavy air “pounding” conditions it may be well to sight up the mast as the boat makes a hard landing to be sure the mast “pumping” (fore and aft”) is under control. In those extreme conditions some mainsail load may add some dampening to the mast pumping. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hazzard via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:36 PM To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone I imagine that not sailing with jib only applies to fractional rigs without running back stays. It could also apply to mast head rigs with out back stays. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Porland, Or On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work. Unfurled the jib in 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and hoist the main. I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load on the rigging. Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the total load is a lot less under one sail. Thoughts? Joel 35/3 Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Yanmar push button died
Not sure if the 3gms are the same as the 2gms, but there is a fuse that sits near the back of the engine. The housing of mine had cracked and caused intermittent connections. I replaced it with a wireing to a circuit breaker on my 12 volt panel and the appropriate sized breaker. Just another place to look. -- Cheers, Jeff Nelson Muir Caileag CC 30 Halifax On 17/09/2014 9:53 AM, Tony Wroblewski via CnC-List wrote: I have had the same problem on my Yanmar 3gm30 for years. Exactly as you describe. Since it would start on the second try all the time it was no problem. One time it wouldn't start at all for 10 minutes and caused me to find the source. Tightened the battery cables and no problems for a year. Starting to happen again and will try the cables again. Tony Triumph CC 41 Holland, Mi Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 08:07:55 -0400 To: nausetbe...@optonline.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar push button died From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com I may have a related problem - and would like help to diagnose the cause before it becomes a significant issue. From time to time - not sure if it is getting more frequent - with the key turned, battery on and fully charged - I get nothing - not even a clunk - when I press the button. I press it a second time and 99% of the time the engine fires right up. Have any listers experienced the same - and help me identify the problem so I can fix it before I get to the stage where I can't start the engine at all. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Sep 17, 2014, at 7:29, Nauset Beach via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Nate Had the same issue last week on my Yanmar 3GM30F with a B Type engine panel. Was getting near complete voltage drop across the 2 terminals of the key switch when the key was turned on and nothing from the button. Turned out to be the wiring harness plug at the back of the panel. Most of the wires were corroded inside the plug though all looked well from the outside. The plug was cut out and the wires connected directly. Works like a charm. So as Dave said, check all your wiring in the start circuit before you start throwing $$$ at it replacing parts. Brian -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Godwin via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:16 PM To: Nate Flesness; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Yanmar push button died Nate, it may not be the switch. I have an original in perfect working condition if catch my drift... Check your battery ground/cabling/connections. Let me know if it is the switch and if so, you can have it. Dave 1982 CC 37 -Ronin Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2014, at 19:55, Nate Flesness via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have a 2QM15 yanmar - after a few intermittents, my engine start button has failed completely. Someone knew what Cole-Hersee switch can replace it - anyone remember, or have another suggestion? Nate Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 Siskiwit Bay Marina Lake Superior ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Boat_Sig Cheers, Jeff Nelson Muir Caileag CC 30 Armdale Y.C. Halifax ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List suspect autopilot
Hi Joel, Are you implying that Fred Street and others on this list do not actually know what they are talking about? :) Cheers, Russ At 12:05 PM 19/09/2014, you wrote: There is a separate power cable to the computer.  I'd disconnect it or the power cable to the display to isolate the problem.  Or call Ray or post on their forum and talk to someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Friday, September 19, 2014, Kim Brown via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.comcnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, The weekend's project is to trace down the dead autopilot. Looking for ideas about likely suspects to prioritize the process. Standard Raymarine Wheelpilot- X5? Been working great for years. Chugging up the river trying to beat the rain last Sunday after a weekend out and it died. Actual symptom is the breaker blew so the depth, wind, speed and auto went dark. After getting back on course, had the Admiral flip the breaker and all the units came back including right heading numbers on the auto pilot but engaging the autopilot did nothing (not even a whimper out of the motor) except blow the breaker again. So we hand steered home and left the issue for another day. Shorted wires, dead motor, or ? Worked fine going out and halfway back. No event- (wake, rain, course change) it just stopped. It was not working hard. Anyone have any ideas on what voltages I should see where. There is a rudder position indicator in the mix. Looking for a 'Mine did that and it was the Thanks Kim Brown TrustMe!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.comhttp://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Suspect Autopilot
My autopilot is a older Navico unit (WheelPilot). The problem on mine is the belt jumping off the guides. It's all worn-out. You might want to consider taking the drive / belt / pulley unit apart and see if it being off-quilter might cause a jam which would explain your breaker tripping issue. It's a royal pain to take the drive apart on my antiquity. Mine sometimes causes the steering wheel to jam altogether... It has not happened when sailing or in a critical situation yet. I'm pretty sure my huge destroyer wheel gives me enough leverage to rip the crap off if I'm ever in a bind... Mine is on the fritz again.. I have fixed it once, If I can I'll use my Dremmel and fab something that will hopefully last until my next tax return when I buy a new Raymarine Wheel Pilot.. -Francois 1990 34+ "Take Five" Cumming, Ga Sent from IBM Notes Traveler ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
Sailing w jib alone is an old thread I remember well. And I used to be a both sails advocate until this year when I converted. Now I am convinced a good boatman can sail any boat w any sail combination . That's seamanship. This summer I started trying different single sail combos because my guests were less interested in pulling lines and I wanted them to enjoy the ride and relax. They didn't care if one sail wasn't raised. I had one wonderful 15 to 20 knot day sailing w just the main hitting 7.3 hullspeed in all directions w 4 guests and sailing quite close to the wind, most of the long day. Had several daysails w just my wife or alone w just the genoa, and learned to point w just the single sail. Tacking is quicker w main alone but the genoa alone setup tacks successfully, just a little slower. Trickier in lighter winds, especially if the sheets get snagged and stop the turn. The turn must be planned well, so it is smooth and complete. Otherwise the jib backs, the boat stops and returns to the previous tack and one has to try again. Every boat is different, and each owner must learn what his boat likes best. The boat will inform and a good boatman will sense what is needed. Our CC 34R may have a larger than average sailplan for it's size, and the J and E are almost equal, so the helm remains very balanced w either sail and I hope everyone will experiment w their boat. Enjoy. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: DeYoung, Martin mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:50:29 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone I figure that with the 'tree stump' of a mast on the 30-1, I should be OK. I have done it a couple of times when the wind is up (rare, around here) and used the working jib. No problem. Gary - Original Message - From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List To: Fred Hazzard ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone … applies to fractional rigs without running back stays. It could also apply to mast head rigs without back stays. What Fred said matches my understanding of why there may be some concern expressed by some sailors regarding sailing with head sails only. In the very old days the ship’s rudders were so small and weak balancing and steering the vessel by the location and trim of the sails was necessary. Modern designs and construction methods allow us to compensate for an un-balanced rig with mechanical advantage and a strong rudder. During the heyday of IOR designs, including fractional rigs, many designers and owners in search of the smallest advantage would put up a lightly built small section mast. I recall seeing 4 and 5 spreader rigs on 40’ boats with very small section mast extrusions. Many of these rigs appreciated the additional fore and aft stabilization that the mainsail gave to the mast itself. Many of these rigs went over the side owing to operator error. For those of us sailing a well maintained non-custom (thinking Evergreen here) CC design with the headsail only in most conditions but certainly in light air will not jeopardize the rig’s stability. If you find yourself in heavy air “pounding” conditions it may be well to sight up the mast as the boat makes a hard landing to be sure the mast “pumping” (fore and aft”) is under control. In those extreme conditions some mainsail load may add some dampening to the mast pumping. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hazzard via CnC-List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 12:36 PM To: Joel Aronson; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone I imagine that not sailing with jib only applies to fractional rigs without running back stays. It could also apply to mast head rigs with out back stays. Fred Hazzard S/V Fury CC 44 Porland, Or On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, Earlier this week I went out for a lazy sail after work. Unfurled the jib in 10 knots of wind and decided I was too lazy to remove the main cover and hoist the main. I've read that sailing under only jib is bad because it places an uneven load on the rigging. Seems to me that the load is minimal in light air and the total load is a lot less under one sail. Thoughts? Joel 35/3 Annapolis -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at:
Re: Stus-List suspect autopilot
Kim, Been a while since I installed or worked on an X-5 but two thoughts occur to me, bad motor or binding in the SportDrive. Here's how I'd troubleshoot it. First, take the motor out of the system. I forget if you can just pull the power cable of the back or not. If not, find a place to disconnect it. I think they are brown and blue wires connected to the controller on the connection marked Motor. Flip the break on. If everything looks good, the motor may be fried or the belt/clutch maybe stuck so the motor won't turn. To test the motor, disengage the clutch, put 12 volts on the two wires. If the motor spins freely, swap the wires and see if it spins freely in the other direction. If so, then something in the SportDrive is binding and putting excessive load on the motor. Fred or Rich might have a different technique. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Kim Brown via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, The weekend's project is to trace down the dead autopilot. Looking for ideas about likely suspects to prioritize the process. Standard Raymarine Wheelpilot- X5? Been working great for years. Chugging up the river trying to beat the rain last Sunday after a weekend out and it died. Actual symptom is the breaker blew so the depth, wind, speed and auto went dark. After getting back on course, had the Admiral flip the breaker and all the units came back including right heading numbers on the auto pilot but engaging the autopilot did nothing (not even a whimper out of the motor) except blow the breaker again. So we hand steered home and left the issue for another day. Shorted wires, dead motor, or ? Worked fine going out and halfway back. No event- (wake, rain, course change) it just stopped. It was not working hard. Anyone have any ideas on what voltages I should see where. There is a rudder position indicator in the mix. Looking for a 'Mine did that and it was the Thanks Kim Brown TrustMe!!! 35-3 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List sailing under jib alone
I often sail with a single sail with my wife on board. She likes everything about sailing except the sailing (heeling) so I like to keep it relatively calm if the wind is over 10 kts. If the wind is up and direction favors reaching most of the day I only use the main, but if the wind is light and we have to point at all we use the genoa. I also sail on and off my mooring ball quite a bit and usually do my final approach under main alone. I find the main to be a fair bit slower but as I am alone most of the time on my boat it isn't in my way or need furling when I have to walk foward to grab my mooring lines. On my 26 the real power comes off the genoa but I suspect most boats are that way. I never really gave much thought to stressing the rig and I haven't observed anything unusual. We sail on a lake and dont have the rough water that coastal sailors have. David Donnelly CC 26 Mistress Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
