Re: Stus-List Vic-Maui or Pacific Cup

[Ian Matthew via CnC-List]

Kevin,

I have sailed the PacCup and it was a great trip.  We sailed a Westsail 40
ft with a crew of 6.  We trained for 6 months prior to the race and so we
knew the crew dynamics which were excellent.

The first 3 days are the hardest as you head out under the Golden Gate
Bridge into the fog and its a close fetch in the cold fog until you pop out
the back side.  The first few days decide almost everything, since you have
to decide how far south to go at the beginning so you get a good angle in
the trades.  Once through the fog, it's T-shirt weather and beautiful blue
water spinnaker running.  We kept ours up for 10 days.

The finish is at Kaneohe YC which is a great club to enjoy Hawaii from.  A
whole week of festivities leading up to the awards ceremony.  We finished
2nd in our division.

I'd do it again in a heartbeat!

Cheers
Ian Matthew
"Siento el Viento"   C&C 29-1
San Francisco Bay

On Thursday, January 29, 2015, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  Kevin,
>
>
>
> I have crewed on 4 Transpacs (a course similar to Pac Cup but starting
> near LA) and one Vic Maui.  I also crewed or was delivery skipper on 4
> trips back to the west coast.
>
>
>
> I would do either race again.  The deciding factor for me would be crew
> compatibility and boat suitability.  Spending two weeks on a small boat
> with 6 to 8 other crew can be heaven or hell depending on the crew
> dynamics.  Being confident in the boat’s design, build, and preparation
> leads to sleeping well when off watch and increases the chance of reaching
> Hawaii in time for the party.
>
>
>
> The Pac Cup will attract higher performance boats and more competitors.
> The Vic Maui typically offers more complex weather to de-code, a smaller
> but more similar fleet, and finishes in Lahaina, Maui, home of my favorite
> yacht club.
>
>
>
> One of the advantages of having the starts farther south (Transpac and Pac
> Cup) is how quick the boat can be in the trades.  Most years the Pac Cup is
> likely to have 2 to 7 days less sailing time than a Vic Maui.  If you are
> calculating your cost per hour of actual sailing the Maui might pencil out
> better.
>
>
>
> Starting the Vic Maui in Victoria means first getting out of the Straits
> of Juan de Fuca (lotsa current, probability of light wind, chance of fog,
> always cold water) then getting far enough south to reach the trades.
>
>
>
> Both races offer the chance of 7 to 10 days of trade wind sailing in deep
> blue water with a finish in Hawaii.  The start and finish social events are
> worth the price of admission.  Best of all there are often custom race
> T-shirts to be purchased.
>
>
>
> Martin
>
> Calypso
>
> 1971 C&C 43
>
> Seattle
>
>
> [image: Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On
> Behalf Of *Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:33 PM
> *To:* C&C List
> *Subject:* Stus-List Vic-Maui or Pacific Cup
>
>
>
> Looking for objective opinions i.e. sans nationalism.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>


-- 
Ian Matthew
"Siento el Viento" C&C 29 mk 1
San Francisco Bay

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Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes)

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Without the 2:1 reduction gear no one with a displacement hull boat is getting 
more than maybe 2400-2600 RPMs out of the A4.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 6:30 PM
To: Bill Coleman; CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes)

 

FWIW, The atomic 4 was supposed to achieve 30Hp at 3500 RPM, less Hp at lower 
RPMs.

 

Found this on website selling engines replacements:

 

"Several Beta Marine diesel engines are available to replace the Atomic 4 
gasoline engine for your Sailboat engine repower depending upon the vessel's 
displacement. General guidelines for displacement hulls follow, but please 
contact Joe DeMers for a specific recommendation concerning your boat and 
application.

*   Boats displacing up to 7,500 pounds may use the Beta 10 Ten engine.
*   Boats up to 10,000 pounds may use the Beta Marine 13.5 hp engine.
*   Boats between 10,000 and 14,000 pounds need the 20 hp Beta Marine 
engine.
*   Boats between 14,000 and 18,000 pounds require the 28 hp Beta Marine 
engine."

Google, "Beta Marine" to find it.

 

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

 

  _  

From: "Bill Coleman via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 5:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes)

 

That’s what she s-

Darn, I’ve got to stop saying that!

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

 

 

I have to ask the question: will it fit in the hole?

 

That's a lot of engine for a 29ft boat. The A-4 only put out About 18hp at the 
RPM that it probably generated pushing your boat. 

 

My yanmar 2gm20f seems to have more power than my A-4 did

 

YMMV

ROB


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Re: Stus-List Vic-Maui or Pacific Cup

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Kevin,

I have crewed on 4 Transpacs (a course similar to Pac Cup but starting near LA) 
and one Vic Maui.  I also crewed or was delivery skipper on 4 trips back to the 
west coast.

I would do either race again.  The deciding factor for me would be crew 
compatibility and boat suitability.  Spending two weeks on a small boat with 6 
to 8 other crew can be heaven or hell depending on the crew dynamics.  Being 
confident in the boat’s design, build, and preparation leads to sleeping well 
when off watch and increases the chance of reaching Hawaii in time for the 
party.

The Pac Cup will attract higher performance boats and more competitors.  The 
Vic Maui typically offers more complex weather to de-code, a smaller but more 
similar fleet, and finishes in Lahaina, Maui, home of my favorite yacht club.

One of the advantages of having the starts farther south (Transpac and Pac Cup) 
is how quick the boat can be in the trades.  Most years the Pac Cup is likely 
to have 2 to 7 days less sailing time than a Vic Maui.  If you are calculating 
your cost per hour of actual sailing the Maui might pencil out better.

Starting the Vic Maui in Victoria means first getting out of the Straits of 
Juan de Fuca (lotsa current, probability of light wind, chance of fog, always 
cold water) then getting far enough south to reach the trades.

Both races offer the chance of 7 to 10 days of trade wind sailing in deep blue 
water with a finish in Hawaii.  The start and finish social events are worth 
the price of admission.  Best of all there are often custom race T-shirts to be 
purchased.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Kevin 
Driscoll via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:33 PM
To: C&C List
Subject: Stus-List Vic-Maui or Pacific Cup

Looking for objective opinions i.e. sans nationalism.

Thanks!
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Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes)

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

FWIW, The atomic 4 was supposed to achieve 30Hp at 3500 RPM, less Hp at lower 
RPMs. 

Found this on website selling engines replacements: 

"Several Beta Marine diesel engines are available to replace the Atomic 4 
gasoline engine for your Sailboat engine repower depending upon the vessel's 
displacement. General guidelines for displacement hulls follow, but please 
contact Joe DeMers for a specific recommendation concerning your boat and 
application. 

* Boats displacing up to 7,500 pounds may use the Beta 10 Ten engine. 
* Boats up to 10,000 pounds may use the Beta Marine 13.5 hp engine. 
* Boats between 10,000 and 14,000 pounds need the 20 hp Beta Marine engine. 
* Boats between 14,000 and 18,000 pounds require the 28 hp Beta Marine 
engine." 
Google, "Beta Marine" to find it. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Bill Coleman via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 5:41:49 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes) 



That’s what she s- 

Darn, I’ve got to stop saying that! 



Bill Coleman 

C&C 39 





I have to ask the question: will it fit in the hole? 





That's a lot of engine for a 29ft boat. The A-4 only put out About 18hp at the 
RPM that it probably generated pushing your boat. 





My yanmar 2gm20f seems to have more power than my A-4 did 





YMMV 


ROB 

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Re: Stus-List Vic-Maui or Pacific Cup

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Your own boat, or as crew?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

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>
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Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes)

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

That’s what she s-

Darn, I’ve got to stop saying that!

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

 

 

I have to ask the question: will it fit in the hole?

 

That's a lot of engine for a 29ft boat. The A-4 only put out About 18hp at
the RPM that it probably generated pushing your boat. 

 

My yanmar 2gm20f seems to have more power than my A-4 did

 

YMMV

ROB

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Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes)

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

You are right. The owners manual states the M4-30 is 25Hp @ 3600 RPM. 
Transmission has a 2:1 reduction. 


- Original Message -

From: "Gary Russell via CnC-List"  
To: "Joe Della Barba" , "C&C List" 
 
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 2:31:40 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes) 

I could be wrong... Ask my wife, but I think an M430 is 25 HP even though the 
model number would make you think it was 30. 

Gary 
S/V Expresso 
'75 C&C 35 Mk II 
East Greenwich, RI, USA 


~~~ _ / ) ~~ 


On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < 
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+ 1 

A 30 HP diesel is HUGE for a 29 foot boat. 

An A4 powered 29 would have the 1:1 tranny, so depending on the prop you would 
have between about 15 and 25 HP available. 



Joe Della Barba 



From: CnC-List [mailto: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Robert 
Gallagher via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 12:21 PM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes) 



I have to ask the question: will it fit in the hole? 





That's a lot of engine for a 29ft boat. The A-4 only put out About 18hp at the 
RPM that it probably generated pushing your boat. 





My yanmar 2gm20f seems to have more power than my A-4 did 





YMMV 


ROB 

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Stus-List Vic-Maui or Pacific Cup

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Looking for objective opinions i.e. sans nationalism.

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Stus-List Ron CAsciato with a question re email addressses:

[Ron Casciato via CnC-List]

HI Stu:

 

Long time no talk, but I read the list every day.

 

I'm in the process of changing some of my email addresses for receiving
email and I would like to keep my C&C email constant.  However, I, as usual,
deleted the regular notification of my membership in the list group and I
would like to have the email you have on file as the one you send list
emails out to me.  Is that something you can put you fingers on
conveniently?

 

It's the only one I have that uses the Verizon.net address I think.

 

I appreciate your help as usual.

 

Ron Casciato

Impromptu

C&C 38MKIIC...'77

 

Wow, almost 38 years oldstill looks brand new.

 

 

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Re: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

Yes we do,

Peter Deppisch
S/V Tangerine
C&C 35 MK II
Lion's Head, Ontario

Cheers

Rick Taillieu
Nemesis
'75 C&C 25  #371
Shearwater Yacht Club
Halifax, NS.



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B.
Frerker via CnC-List
Sent: January-29-15 16:26
To: Peter Fell; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale

Didn't we have a lister from the Great Lakes that had a boat named
Tangerine?
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL


On Thu, 1/29/15, Peter Fell via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: Thursday, January 29, 2015, 12:42 AM
 
 Nice looking interior!
 
 I still get a kick out of
 someone who managed to replace a boat called  Tangerine with a boat called
Orange Crush ...
 without involving a renaming
 ceremony!
 
 Peter Fell
 Sidney, BC
 Cygnet
 C&C 27 MkIII
 


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Re: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

Yes, a 33 or 35 I think. If anyone sees something similar on the west coast, 
don't tell me! 


- Original Message -
From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
To: Peter Fell , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:26:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale

Didn't we have a lister from the Great Lakes that had a boat named Tangerine?
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL


On Thu, 1/29/15, Peter Fell via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: Thursday, January 29, 2015, 12:42 AM
 
 Nice looking interior!
 
 I still get a kick out of
 someone who managed to replace a boat called 
 Tangerine with a boat called Orange Crush ...
 without involving a renaming 
 ceremony!
 
 Peter Fell
 Sidney, BC
 Cygnet
 C&C 27 MkIII
 


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Re: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

I had a SJ 24 and I believe there was as much room in a Cat 22.
Ron
Wild Cheri
 C&C 30-1
STL


On Thu, 1/29/15, Paul Baker via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Re: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: Thursday, January 29, 2015, 1:39 PM
 
 The later 24s had this
 different layout with the head under the v berth.  I just
 redid all the cushions, foam, curtains etc
 Actually a really good amount of room for a
 24' boat, compared to a san Juan 24 it's palatial.
 
 
 Marek (in Ottawa)
 ex. s/v "Fennel" (C&C 24 1974)
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: Paul Baker via CnC-List
 Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:28 AM
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List My old 24' up for
 sale
 
 I saw Tangerine, my
 previous boat listed, 
 http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/CC-24_23913326
 Current owner spent a fair bit on her, although
 the interior was done by 
 yours truly. 
 Anyway, if you know anyone looking, she's a good boat
 and I'd 
 love to see her go to a good
 home.
 Cheers,
 Paul
 
 Orange Crush
 C&C27MkII
 Sidney, BC
 
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Re: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Didn't we have a lister from the Great Lakes that had a boat named Tangerine?
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30-1
STL


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 Subject: Re: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Date: Thursday, January 29, 2015, 12:42 AM
 
 Nice looking interior!
 
 I still get a kick out of
 someone who managed to replace a boat called 
 Tangerine with a boat called Orange Crush ...
 without involving a renaming 
 ceremony!
 
 Peter Fell
 Sidney, BC
 Cygnet
 C&C 27 MkIII
 


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Re: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

The later 24s had this different layout with the head under the v berth.  I 
just redid all the cushions, foam, curtains etc
Actually a really good amount of room for a 24' boat, compared to a san Juan 24 
it's palatial. 

- Original Message -
From: Marek Dziedzic 
To: Paul Baker , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 07:56:35 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale

Paul,

Nice boat. I had one like that myself (even the same year model). You did a 
lot of changes in the cabin; mine was very original (even the upholstery was 
as shown in the brochure). Very good boats (even if a wee bit smallish).

Btw. I wonder if he can get the asking price. Someone was selling his 24 for 
$500 on this list a year ago.

Marek (in Ottawa)
ex. s/v "Fennel" (C&C 24 1974)

-Original Message- 
From: Paul Baker via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:28 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale

I saw Tangerine, my previous boat listed, 
http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/CC-24_23913326
Current owner spent a fair bit on her, although the interior was done by 
yours truly.  Anyway, if you know anyone looking, she's a good boat and I'd 
love to see her go to a good home.
Cheers,
Paul

Orange Crush
C&C27MkII
Sidney, BC

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Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes)

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I could be wrong...  Ask my wife, but I think an M430 is 25 HP even though
the model number would make you think it was 30.

Gary
S/V Expresso
'75 C&C 35 Mk II
East Greenwich, RI, USA


~~~_/)~~


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>  + 1
>
> A 30 HP diesel is HUGE for a 29 foot boat.
>
> An A4 powered 29 would have the 1:1 tranny, so depending on the prop you
> would have between about 15 and 25 HP available.
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert
> Gallagher via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 29, 2015 12:21 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes)
>
>
>
> I have to ask the question: will it fit in the hole?
>
>
>
> That's a lot of engine for a 29ft boat. The A-4 only put out About 18hp at
> the RPM that it probably generated pushing your boat.
>
>
>
> My yanmar 2gm20f seems to have more power than my A-4 did
>
>
>
> YMMV
>
> ROB
>
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Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes)

[John McKay via CnC-List]

My 26 had a Vires. I still have it sitting around if anyone wants it for spare 
parts and wants to arrange for pick.
John
 

 On Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:46 PM, Dan Utinske via CnC-List 
 wrote:
   

 My 26' uses a Yanmar Diesel 8HP.. 

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:

+ 1A 30 HP diesel is HUGE for a 29 foot boat.An A4 powered 29 would have the 
1:1 tranny, so depending on the prop you would have between about 15 and 25 HP 
available. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Robert Gallagher via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 12:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes) I have to ask the 
question: will it fit in the hole? That's a lot of engine for a 29ft boat. The 
A-4 only put out About 18hp at the RPM that it probably generated pushing your 
boat.  My yanmar 2gm20f seems to have more power than my A-4 did YMMVROB
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Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes)

[Dan Utinske via CnC-List]

My 26' uses a Yanmar Diesel 8HP..

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  + 1
>
> A 30 HP diesel is HUGE for a 29 foot boat.
>
> An A4 powered 29 would have the 1:1 tranny, so depending on the prop you
> would have between about 15 and 25 HP available.
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert
> Gallagher via CnC-List
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> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes)
>
>
>
> I have to ask the question: will it fit in the hole?
>
>
>
> That's a lot of engine for a 29ft boat. The A-4 only put out About 18hp at
> the RPM that it probably generated pushing your boat.
>
>
>
> My yanmar 2gm20f seems to have more power than my A-4 did
>
>
>
> YMMV
>
> ROB
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Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes)

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

+ 1
A 30 HP diesel is HUGE for a 29 foot boat.
An A4 powered 29 would have the 1:1 tranny, so depending on the prop you would 
have between about 15 and 25 HP available.

Joe Della Barba

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I have to ask the question: will it fit in the hole?

That's a lot of engine for a 29ft boat. The A-4 only put out About 18hp at the 
RPM that it probably generated pushing your boat.

My yanmar 2gm20f seems to have more power than my A-4 did

YMMV
ROB
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Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30 (Eric Baumes)

[Robert Gallagher via CnC-List]

I have to ask the question: will it fit in the hole?

That's a lot of engine for a 29ft boat. The A-4 only put out About 18hp at
the RPM that it probably generated pushing your boat.

My yanmar 2gm20f seems to have more power than my A-4 did

YMMV
ROB
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Re: Stus-List 34 offshore

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Maps could be off with respect to GPS so into an unknown small harbor or
anywhere on the banks in the Bahamas I always navigate by looking at water
color and spotting coral heads.  You also don't want to be traveling across
the banks too early if you're heading east due to sun glare.  Same thing for
going west in late afternoon.  

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C&C 38MkII

Newport, RI

 

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 34 offshore

 

The charter company from whom we rented the Tartan 37 we used for our trips
required a night crossing to Bimini (arriving in the morning) because of the
weird dog-leg entrance there, and the desire to see what the heck we were
going to run into in the daylight.   :^)   So we went out for a nice dinner
the night before, hit the Publix store to provision at 10pm and left at
midnight.  We could just start to see the tops of palm trees and the tower
at daybreak; by the time the sun was fully up, we were approaching the
entrance channel and had good visibility.

 

So even in the days of GPS, as far as I'm concerned it's still a good idea
to NOT enter an unfamiliar harbor at night.   :^)


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^( 

 

On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Andrew Burton 
wrote:





And when you leave Florida for Bimini or the Banks, leaving at night allows
you to pick up the lights on the big radio tower on Bimini so you know how
far you got pushed by the stream and then when you get there the sun is up
so you can make your way in. 

I guess I'm dating myself as that isn't necessary in these days of GPS and
plotters.

Andy 

C&C 40

Peregrine

 

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Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30

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Can you really fit a 4 banger into a 29-1? I would be surprised. Original
spec must be a 2-Cyl Yan'erkins with about 15hp, no? They can't all have
come with A4's.

On Thu Jan 29 2015 at 8:13:48 AM Eric Baumes via CnC-List <
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> Had a 3 cylinder on a previous boats and it was very reliable.
>
> As parts go I never had trouble finding the "marine-ized" versions, And as
> they are based on Kubota tractor engines, there is a lot of information
> about finding the non-marine parts at a cheaper price.
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a M430 diesel and have found it to be bullet proof.  I haven't had
>> to buy many parts for it in the 18 year I've had her, but when I need the
>> parts they were available.  The parts aren't cheap, but seem to be
>> available.  Other than that, I just turn the key, push the button and away
>> we go.  If it is professionally rebuilt, it seems like a steal to me.
>>
>> Gary
>> S/V Expresso
>> '75 C&C 35 Mk II
>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>>
>>
>> ~~~_/)~~
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:15 PM, jason shoemake via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've found a Universal M4-30 close to home, 100 miles away, $3,000. Does
>>> anyone have any experience with these? Are parts available? The seller says
>>> its been completely rebuilt and has one hour on it, was on eBay earlier
>>> this year for $4,5000, why didn't it sell??
>>>  My '78 29-1 has long since had the A4 gutted along with the fuel tank,
>>> panel, shaft and everything but the strut, gone!
>>> It was gifted to me with a long shaft 9.9.
>>> She's on the hard here in Mississippi, needing a few other things as
>>> well.
>>> I just cant bring myself to launch her with that O/B astern.
>>>
>>> So the question I'm asking is Pull the trigger on the M4 or hold
>>> off, wait for a better opportunity?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jason Shoemake
>>> SV Bijou
>>>
>>>
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Re: Stus-List 34 offshore

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

The charter company from whom we rented the Tartan 37 we used for our trips 
required a night crossing to Bimini (arriving in the morning) because of the 
weird dog-leg entrance there, and the desire to see what the heck we were going 
to run into in the daylight…   :^)   So we went out for a nice dinner the night 
before, hit the Publix store to provision at 10pm and left at midnight.  We 
could just start to see the tops of palm trees and the tower at daybreak; by 
the time the sun was fully up, we were approaching the entrance channel and had 
good visibility.

So even in the days of GPS, as far as I’m concerned it’s still a good idea to 
NOT enter an unfamiliar harbor at night.   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Andrew Burton  wrote:

> And when you leave Florida for Bimini or the Banks, leaving at night allows 
> you to pick up the lights on the big radio tower on Bimini so you know how 
> far you got pushed by the stream and then when you get there the sun is up so 
> you can make your way in. 
> I guess I'm dating myself as that isn't necessary in these days of GPS and 
> plotters.
> 
> Andy 
> C&C 40
> Peregrine

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Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30

[Eric Baumes via CnC-List]

Had a 3 cylinder on a previous boats and it was very reliable.

As parts go I never had trouble finding the "marine-ized" versions, And as
they are based on Kubota tractor engines, there is a lot of information
about finding the non-marine parts at a cheaper price.

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a M430 diesel and have found it to be bullet proof.  I haven't had
> to buy many parts for it in the 18 year I've had her, but when I need the
> parts they were available.  The parts aren't cheap, but seem to be
> available.  Other than that, I just turn the key, push the button and away
> we go.  If it is professionally rebuilt, it seems like a steal to me.
>
> Gary
> S/V Expresso
> '75 C&C 35 Mk II
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:15 PM, jason shoemake via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I've found a Universal M4-30 close to home, 100 miles away, $3,000. Does
>> anyone have any experience with these? Are parts available? The seller says
>> its been completely rebuilt and has one hour on it, was on eBay earlier
>> this year for $4,5000, why didn't it sell??
>>  My '78 29-1 has long since had the A4 gutted along with the fuel tank,
>> panel, shaft and everything but the strut, gone!
>> It was gifted to me with a long shaft 9.9.
>> She's on the hard here in Mississippi, needing a few other things as well.
>> I just cant bring myself to launch her with that O/B astern.
>>
>> So the question I'm asking is Pull the trigger on the M4 or hold off,
>> wait for a better opportunity?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jason Shoemake
>> SV Bijou
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List 34 offshore

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

And when you leave Florida for Bimini or the Banks, leaving at night allows
you to pick up the lights on the big radio tower on Bimini so you know how
far you got pushed by the stream and then when you get there the sun is up
so you can make your way in.
I guess I'm dating myself as that isn't necessary in these days of GPS and
plotters.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Brent — the few times I’ve crossed the Gulf Stream to/from Bimini and the
> Bahamas, we motor-sailed.  Partly because the winds were light or right on
> the nose (going over); and partly because you DO NOT want to be stuck
> drifting around in the middle of the Gulf Stream if the weather turns.
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Jan 28, 2015, at 6:21 PM, Brent Driedger via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> According to his blog he crossed the Gulf Stream under power at night to
> get to Bimini.  Seems like a waste of a good sailing opportunity to me but
> then again I write this from the warm comfort of my house.
>
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Re: Stus-List 34 offshore

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

We had a 34 in the first Bermuda Race we did. They had a funny emergency and 
then a serious one. First one was someone pumped the hell out of the head, not 
realizing how the valves were set, and made a hose pop and spew sewage all over 
the place. This happened during the daily radio schedule too LOL. The second 
one involved the keel starting to pull loose from the boat. They took on a lot 
of water and basically had to pump their way to the finish line and go straight 
to the travel lift. After some comparison with our keel bolts, we realized the 
35 uses large steel backing plates* and the 34 used what looked like hardware 
store washers. The skipper of the 34 had backing plates cut and installed 
before he sailed home.
So, if taking a 34 offshore I would check this! It is an easy fix. The other 
issue is I have sailed the 34 quite a bit. If I already had one I would have no 
issue going offshore. If I did not - and not trying to be insulting - IMHO the 
35 has better sailing characteristics for offshore. Not bad and good, more like 
good and little better than good. YMMV and all. Also don't overlook the 
Landfall 35 for a bit slower but nice handling boat. Friends that had one 
offshore in really rough weather were happy with the boat.

* since replaced by stainless

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List 34 offshore

[Jack Brennan via CnC-List]

The course from South Florida to the Bahamas is somewhere between southeast and 
south, depending on conditions, where you’re leaving from and the speed of your 
boat.

However, you can only cross from South Florida to the Bahamas when the winds 
have a southerly component.  Any wind with a northerly component opposes the 
Gulfstream, which means you will encounter short, steep and large waves that 
will make you wish you had taken up RVing.

Also, motoring allows you to run at maximum speed, which means you can keep the 
Gulfstream current at the best possible angle. If the wind slows and you get 
carried north by the current, you’ll find yourself going almost directly into 
the Gulfstream, which will take a couple of knots off your speed and make for a 
rough ride.

The reason for a night trip is that you arrive the Bahamas at a time when it’s 
easy to see coral heads.

Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.



From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 9:56 AM
To: Brent Driedger ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 34 offshore

Brent — the few times I’ve crossed the Gulf Stream to/from Bimini and the 
Bahamas, we motor-sailed.  Partly because the winds were light or right on the 
nose (going over); and partly because you DO NOT want to be stuck drifting 
around in the middle of the Gulf Stream if the weather turns.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Jan 28, 2015, at 6:21 PM, Brent Driedger via CnC-List 
 wrote:


  According to his blog he crossed the Gulf Stream under power at night to get 
to Bimini.  Seems like a waste of a good sailing opportunity to me but then 
again I write this from the warm comfort of my house.





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Re: Stus-List 34 offshore

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Brent — the few times I’ve crossed the Gulf Stream to/from Bimini and the 
Bahamas, we motor-sailed.  Partly because the winds were light or right on the 
nose (going over); and partly because you DO NOT want to be stuck drifting 
around in the middle of the Gulf Stream if the weather turns.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Jan 28, 2015, at 6:21 PM, Brent Driedger via CnC-List 
 wrote:

> According to his blog he crossed the Gulf Stream under power at night to get 
> to Bimini.  Seems like a waste of a good sailing opportunity to me but then 
> again I write this from the warm comfort of my house.

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Re: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Paul,

Nice boat. I had one like that myself (even the same year model). You did a 
lot of changes in the cabin; mine was very original (even the upholstery was 
as shown in the brochure). Very good boats (even if a wee bit smallish).


Btw. I wonder if he can get the asking price. Someone was selling his 24 for 
$500 on this list a year ago.


Marek (in Ottawa)
ex. s/v "Fennel" (C&C 24 1974)

-Original Message- 
From: Paul Baker via CnC-List

Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:28 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale

I saw Tangerine, my previous boat listed, 
http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/CC-24_23913326
Current owner spent a fair bit on her, although the interior was done by 
yours truly.  Anyway, if you know anyone looking, she's a good boat and I'd 
love to see her go to a good home.

Cheers,
Paul

Orange Crush
C&C27MkII
Sidney, BC

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Re: Stus-List Gray PVC plumbing fittings source?

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Re: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale

[Evan Morgan via CnC-List]

Does anyone recognize the handrail fittings he used? I've never seen those and 
would like to find them.
Thanks.

Evan
Wind Affair
1978 C&C 26

-Original Message-
From: "Paul Baker via CnC-List" 
Sent: ‎1/‎29/‎2015 1:28 AM
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Stus-List My old 24' up for sale

I saw Tangerine, my previous boat listed, 
http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/CC-24_23913326
Current owner spent a fair bit on her, although the interior was done by yours 
truly.  Anyway, if you know anyone looking, she's a good boat and I'd love to 
see her go to a good home.
Cheers,
Paul

Orange Crush
C&C27MkII
Sidney, BC

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Re: Stus-List Universal M4-30

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I have a M430 diesel and have found it to be bullet proof.  I haven't had
to buy many parts for it in the 18 year I've had her, but when I need the
parts they were available.  The parts aren't cheap, but seem to be
available.  Other than that, I just turn the key, push the button and away
we go.  If it is professionally rebuilt, it seems like a steal to me.

Gary
S/V Expresso
'75 C&C 35 Mk II
East Greenwich, RI, USA


~~~_/)~~


On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 9:15 PM, jason shoemake via CnC-List <
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> I've found a Universal M4-30 close to home, 100 miles away, $3,000. Does
> anyone have any experience with these? Are parts available? The seller says
> its been completely rebuilt and has one hour on it, was on eBay earlier
> this year for $4,5000, why didn't it sell??
>  My '78 29-1 has long since had the A4 gutted along with the fuel tank,
> panel, shaft and everything but the strut, gone!
> It was gifted to me with a long shaft 9.9.
> She's on the hard here in Mississippi, needing a few other things as well.
> I just cant bring myself to launch her with that O/B astern.
>
> So the question I'm asking is Pull the trigger on the M4 or hold off,
> wait for a better opportunity?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason Shoemake
> SV Bijou
>
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