Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 109, Issue 61 - Forward hatches on the 1981 CC30 MK1
I think all hatches on Cc's were made by Atkins Hoyle. They are still in business and sell gaskets and parts for their hatches. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:58 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Forward hatches on the 1981 CC30 MK1 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List cockpit drains freezing
I cover the boat -although we haven't had many thaw cycles this year From: mike amirault via CnC-List Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 6:08 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List cockpit drains freezing NS has seen many freeze thaw cycles this winter. After a fairly substantial rainfall this weekend, I found the bilge on my CC 33mkii was full to the top. This seemed like too much water to have run down the mast so I investigated and found that one of the hoses on my cockpit drains was frozen solid and popped the hose off the barbs of the drain. My boat is not covered at this time(tarp was sagging too much) so there is a lot of water in the cockpit. I'm thinking there may be a low spot in the hose causing water to freeze there rather than draining. The drains on my CC are criss-crossed, i.e., port drainst to stbd, stbd to port. Just wondering how other owners in a freezing climate deal with this issue? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List compass repair
Just curious; what solvent did you use? Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, *Alianna* Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 9:18 PM, wwadjo...@aol.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: FWIW, I fixed the large bubble in my Ritchie compass this week. Bellows and everything looked fine, so on a -6 degree morning after leaving it in garage overnight with the fluid, refilled per instructions on the internet, and it has held for a week. Looks like bubble gone. Hopefully for the season. Bill Walker Evening Star CnC 36 Pentwater, Mi Sent from my HTC ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Listers, As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems on the Enterprise (thanks to all for diagrams and advice). So now comes the question of what type of battery to use in my house bank — Flooded, Sealed or AGM? What do you have on your CC and why do you prefer it? And, if you have flooded, how often do you top them off with distilled water? The countdown has begun! http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2015/02/launch-of-enterprise-countdown.html http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2015/02/launch-of-enterprise-countdown.html All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
I use Delco Voyager maintenance free wet cells, Series 29's. Get 5-7+ years service life. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems on the Enterprise (thanks to all for diagrams and advice). So now comes the question of what type of battery to use in my house bank — Flooded, Sealed or AGM? What do you have on your CC and why do you prefer it? And, if you have flooded, how often do you top them off with distilled water? The countdown has begun! http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2015/02/launch-of-enterprise-countdown.html All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Quick answer: gel is best and wet cells - golf carts - are by FAR the best for $$$ per amp hour. I do not care for AGM Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:17, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems on the Enterprise (thanks to all for diagrams and advice). So now comes the question of what type of battery to use in my house bank — Flooded, Sealed or AGM? What do you have on your CC and why do you prefer it? And, if you have flooded, how often do you top them off with distilled water? The countdown has begun! http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2015/02/launch-of-enterprise-countdown.html All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Edd: We have two Great Northern Group 27 wet cell batteries that are left on board all winter.these two batteries get a full charge late in the Fall and sometimes a short charge (one hour) at 6 amps during the winter and that's it. They have seen 6 sailing seasons, have spent every winter on board, and last week I went to check the boat, mostly for the build up snow and ice on the shrinkwrap, my volt meter said one battery was 12.59V the second was 12.57V. My point is, if fully charged in the Fall, there is very little, if any, winter maintenance involved. A side story.got on a step ladder to board my boat last week.didn't realize there was 2 inches of solid ice lying on the white shrinkwrap directly above me.when this approx. 3' x 3' piece of solid ice started to slide towards me, I got my head and shoulders in the gate/companionway just in time before it decapitated me and/or removed all my front teeth. Lesson learned... won't do that again, he says! Rob Abbott AZURA CC32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-02-25 12:30 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote: I do want to go with 4-6 golf carts. How often do you need to add water to them? A problem I have is the ability to get to the boat to maintain them during the winter months. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com wrote: Quick answer: gel is best and wet cells - golf carts - are by FAR the best for $$$ per amp hour. I do not care for AGM Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:17, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems on the Enterprise (thanks to all for diagrams and advice). So now comes the question of what type of battery to use in my house bank — Flooded, Sealed or AGM? What do you have on your CC and why do you prefer it? And, if you have flooded, how often do you top them off with distilled water? The countdown has begun! http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2015/02/launch-of-enterprise-countdown.html All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
I do want to go with 4-6 golf carts. How often do you need to add water to them? A problem I have is the ability to get to the boat to maintain them during the winter months. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com wrote: Quick answer: gel is best and wet cells - golf carts - are by FAR the best for $$$ per amp hour. I do not care for AGM Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:17, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems on the Enterprise (thanks to all for diagrams and advice). So now comes the question of what type of battery to use in my house bank — Flooded, Sealed or AGM? What do you have on your CC and why do you prefer it? And, if you have flooded, how often do you top them off with distilled water? The countdown has begun! http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2015/02/launch-of-enterprise-countdown.html http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2015/02/launch-of-enterprise-countdown.html All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 109, Issue 61 - Forward hatches on the 1981 CC30 MK1
I had a Nibo (Bomar's economy brand) hatch on our 29-2. So much for that theory. : ) Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 25 February 2015 at 05:29, Robert Boyer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I think all hatches on Cc's were made by Atkins Hoyle. They are still in business and sell gaskets and parts for their hatches. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:58 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Forward hatches on the 1981 CC30 MK1 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
I was at a point of extremes when I bought 5 AutoZone marine/deep cycle for a total of about $600 and 500Ahrs (~250Ahrs usable without damage). They are the standard maintenance free auto style which can be but are not intended to be watered. For me they were relatively cheap, readily available, easy to claim warranty, light enough to move/install/uninstall. They are also the easiest to charge and discharge since it is such a long standing standard. There are certainly advantages to other technologies and disadvantages to wet cells but for now this solution has met my needs very comfortably. T-105 golf cart batteries would really be my only other concideration but availability, movability, and warranty claimability are hold backs. You also have to consider the charging system when choosing batteries. I have a 100amp balmer alternator with external charge controller and a ProMariner P Nautic 60-12 charger/maintainer. There are disadvantages to staying on shore power 24/7 but it is working for me right now. Maybe I'll change that practice in the future. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Feb 25, 2015 11:17 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, As you know, I'm redoing the electrical systems on the Enterprise (thanks to all for diagrams and advice). So now comes the question of what type of battery to use in my house bank -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? What do you have on your CC and why do you prefer it? And, if you have flooded, how often do you top them off with distilled water? The countdown has begun! http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2015/02/launch-of-enterprise-countdown.html All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Edd — +1 on golf cart batteries, specifically the Trojan T105. If your charging system is set up and controlled properly, you shouldn’t have to top them off very often at all. I’ve had a set in my boat for over five years now with no issues, and no apparent drop in capacity. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I do want to go with 4-6 golf carts. How often do you need to add water to them? A problem I have is the ability to get to the boat to maintain them during the winter months. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Josh, I’m leaning towards 4 to 6 (depending on the space available) Trojan T-105s, but am concerned about the maintenance, especially since I’m kinda cut off from the boat all winter long. Alternatively, I was looking at these AGMs: http://www.atbatt.com/amstron-gc2-6v-agm-deep-cycle-battery.asp?utm_content=Amstron-AP-GC2utm_term=AP-GC2utm_category=Sealed-Lead-Acidgclid=CLy95KfH_cMCFXBp7Aod2WkA2g http://www.atbatt.com/amstron-gc2-6v-agm-deep-cycle-battery.asp?utm_content=Amstron-AP-GC2utm_term=AP-GC2utm_category=Sealed-Lead-Acidgclid=CLy95KfH_cMCFXBp7Aod2WkA2g, but won’t bother if AGMs are only going to last a few years. My charging system is the alternator, since the Enterprise lives on a mooring during the season (yes — we call that standard orbit). I only hook up to shore power a few times a year when cruising. The new system will connect the alternator to the house bank and use a Blue Seas ACR (https://www.bluesea.com/products/7610/SI-ACR_Automatic_Charging_Relay_-_12_24V_DC_120A https://www.bluesea.com/products/7610/SI-ACR_Automatic_Charging_Relay_-_12_24V_DC_120A) to also charge the starting battery. That means I'll have a New-In-Box Echo Charger to sell this Spring. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: I was at a point of extremes when I bought 5 AutoZone marine/deep cycle for a total of about $600 and 500Ahrs (~250Ahrs usable without damage). They are the standard maintenance free auto style which can be but are not intended to be watered. For me they were relatively cheap, readily available, easy to claim warranty, light enough to move/install/uninstall. They are also the easiest to charge and discharge since it is such a long standing standard. There are certainly advantages to other technologies and disadvantages to wet cells but for now this solution has met my needs very comfortably. T-105 golf cart batteries would really be my only other concideration but availability, movability, and warranty claimability are hold backs. You also have to consider the charging system when choosing batteries. I have a 100amp balmer alternator with external charge controller and a ProMariner P Nautic 60-12 charger/maintainer. There are disadvantages to staying on shore power 24/7 but it is working for me right now. Maybe I'll change that practice in the future. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Feb 25, 2015 11:17 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems on the Enterprise (thanks to all for diagrams and advice). So now comes the question of what type of battery to use in my house bank — Flooded, Sealed or AGM? What do you have on your CC and why do you prefer it? And, if you have flooded, how often do you top them off with distilled water? The countdown has begun! http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2015/02/launch-of-enterprise-countdown.html http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2015/02/launch-of-enterprise-countdown.html All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
- Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 10:17 AM Subject: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Listers, As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems on the Enterprise (thanks to all for diagrams and advice). So now comes the question of what type of battery to use in my house bank — Flooded, Sealed or AGM? What do you have on your CC and why do you prefer it? And, if you have flooded, how often do you top them off with distilled water? The countdown has begun! http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2015/02/launch-of-enterprise-countdown.html All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Ed, local boat mechanic recommended and I have 4 Exide Orbital AGM's on a house bank wired in series and additional one for the engine. Have had for almost 3 years and no problems. Hope that helps. Lloyd Lippe Finesse LF39 Rockport, Texas - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 10:17 AM Subject: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Listers, As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems on the Enterprise (thanks to all for diagrams and advice). So now comes the question of what type of battery to use in my house bank — Flooded, Sealed or AGM? What do you have on your CC and why do you prefer it? And, if you have flooded, how often do you top them off with distilled water? The countdown has begun! http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2015/02/launch-of-enterprise-countdown.html All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Edd, I am not claiming to be an expert, but from what I have read so far, the AGMs might be a costly solution to a somewhat non-existing problem. Check Main Sail’s write ups on batteries (he did a few additional ones recently). If I understand these things correctly, the best performance per $ you will get from the wet cells (proper marine deep cycle ones). The longest duty cycle – from the golf batteries (the main disadvantage – they are higher than most other batteries, but this is for a reason – there is extra electrolyte over the plates and they don’t get uncovered when the boat heels). The most convenient – gel cells (few disadvantages of AGMs and most of the advantages of wet cells plus they don’t spill, don’t have issues with heeling angle and can be placed safely in the cabin). AGMs would require special care (when charging) and may not last that long. You may find interesting the results of the battery survey Main Sail did recently. Here is the link to his “early results”: http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=168972. Or his take on the flooded deep cycle batteries here: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/deep_cycle_batterypage=1 Marek From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:16 PM To: CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Josh, I’m leaning towards 4 to 6 (depending on the space available) Trojan T-105s, but am concerned about the maintenance, especially since I’m kinda cut off from the boat all winter long. Alternatively, I was looking at these AGMs: http://www.atbatt.com/amstron-gc2-6v-agm-deep-cycle-battery.asp?utm_content=Amstron-AP-GC2utm_term=AP-GC2utm_category=Sealed-Lead-Acidgclid=CLy95KfH_cMCFXBp7Aod2WkA2g, but won’t bother if AGMs are only going to last a few years. My charging system is the alternator, since the Enterprise lives on a mooring during the season (yes — we call that standard orbit). I only hook up to shore power a few times a year when cruising. The new system will connect the alternator to the house bank and use a Blue Seas ACR (https://www.bluesea.com/products/7610/SI-ACR_Automatic_Charging_Relay_-_12_24V_DC_120A) to also charge the starting battery. That means I'll have a New-In-Box Echo Charger to sell this Spring. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: I was at a point of extremes when I bought 5 AutoZone marine/deep cycle for a total of about $600 and 500Ahrs (~250Ahrs usable without damage). They are the standard maintenance free auto style which can be but are not intended to be watered. For me they were relatively cheap, readily available, easy to claim warranty, light enough to move/install/uninstall. They are also the easiest to charge and discharge since it is such a long standing standard. There are certainly advantages to other technologies and disadvantages to wet cells but for now this solution has met my needs very comfortably. T-105 golf cart batteries would really be my only other concideration but availability, movability, and warranty claimability are hold backs. You also have to consider the charging system when choosing batteries. I have a 100amp balmer alternator with external charge controller and a ProMariner P Nautic 60-12 charger/maintainer. There are disadvantages to staying on shore power 24/7 but it is working for me right now. Maybe I'll change that practice in the future. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Feb 25, 2015 11:17 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, As you know, I’m redoing the electrical systems on the Enterprise (thanks to all for diagrams and advice). So now comes the question of what type of battery to use in my house bank — Flooded, Sealed or AGM? What do you have on your CC and why do you prefer it? And, if you have flooded, how often do you top them off with distilled water? The countdown has begun! http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2015/02/launch-of-enterprise-countdown.html All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
I would advise an AGM, maybe as the starting battery and for emergencies, simply in case of a knockdown or other rare event. My background with AGMs is from the computer industry were the are used in Uninterruptible Power Supplies ( UPS ). Overall I was not and still am not impressed. The high quality units are about $80 for a 12V 18 - 20 AH battery. Even in the situations were they are in a perfect temperature controlled and vibration free environment, tended by an exotic and expensive charger they typically only last 5 years and 2 - 3 full uses. The UPS will do a run down test, which can be automated monthly, and a battery test weekly. So only once a week the UPS will kick in and run from battery for a couple of minutes, and once a month it will partially discharge ( configurable 30 - 70% ) the battery and measure the actual AH available. A golden life for a battery I would think, and as a guess about 50% of the UPSes get the battery pack changed around 3 years. Some are still working, but from the monthly run down test have lost too much capacity. Sometimes even with identical batteries bought at the same time and run exactly the same one battery will die. So I end up replacing all of them. I had hoped that with the research and work being done on the larger NiCD packs in hybrid cars that marine NiCD wet cells would become more common. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
I may be new to sailing but not to boats. My last boat had (3) 12V starting batteries and (2) 6V (in series) for the house bank. All deep cycle wet cell varying in age from one to six years. My current boat has only (2) 12V (age unknown) with nothing to charge them but the A-4. I have never experienced any amount of self discharge to the point of concern over any reasonable amount of time. I have always kept them on the boat over the winter and top them off and check fluid level in the beginning of the season. Last year I didn’t even do that and both engines (1970 GMC 427 Mercruisers) cranked over plenty strong after a winter on the boat. (that was right before I sold her and got my CC 33) A agree that the predictions of self-discharging over time have never in my experience come to pass. In response to the concern of spilling acid in a wet cell on a rail-in-the-water-heel, I think they made sealed no maintenance wet cell batteries. They do for uninterruptible power systems (UPSs). Airplanes, too I think. I will have to look into that. The old boat didn’t tip that much. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:20 PM To: Della Barba, Joe; cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? wet cells can lose up to 10% of charge per month I've seen various outlandish quotes like that on the internet. They are pure BS. As I understand it, the storage temperature a flooded battery would have to be well in excess of 100 degrees Fahrenheit for this high rate of self discharge to happen. A quote from Maine Sail: I was a total disbeliever at the resting OCV of a flooded battery that has sat 100% uncharged for nearly 9 months. I grabbed my refractometer and performed specific gravity checks on each cell. They all agreed and all agreed with the DVM at the SOC.. So this causes one to wonder why there is all the concern around self discharge I have to assume that nearly 20-30 days of this summer saw the shed temps over 100F. It is uninsulated with a black roof... If we are to believe OCV and SG readings it puts this battery at approx 90% SOC after at least 9 months.. Read the whole article here, it is worth the read: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/self_discharge Other references: http://www.cieux.com/bm/batteryWreck.html Wet cells can maintain a workable charge for about a year after the last full charge. When cold, wet cells lose power and cannot deliver their rated charge. Instead of waiting a year for the battery to run down, either recharge your wet cell every six months or keep it fully charged all the time by putting a floating charge on it. http://jgdarden.com/batteryfaq/carfaq16.htm Self-discharge is accelerated by temperature. For batteries that are over 77° F (25° C), the self-discharge rate doubles with a 18° F (10° C) rise in temperature. Thus, sulfation is a huge problem for wet lead-acid batteries not being used, sitting on a dealer's shelf, or in a stored vehicle, especially in HOT temperatures. Ken H. On 25 February 2015 at 14:29, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: One thing to keep in mind is wet cells can lose up to 10% of charge per month and gels only lose around 1%. For a boat on a mooring or otherwise off shore power this can be a factor. If you go wet cells on a mooring you will want a solar panel to keep them topped off. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:58 PM To: Edd Schillay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Edd, I am not claiming to be an expert, but from what I have read so far, the AGMs might be a costly solution to a somewhat non-existing problem. Check Main Sail’s write ups on batteries (he did a few additional ones recently). If I understand these things correctly, the best performance per $ you will get from the wet cells (proper marine deep cycle ones). The longest duty cycle – from the golf batteries (the main disadvantage – they are higher than most other batteries, but this is for a reason – there is extra electrolyte over the plates and they don’t get uncovered when the boat heels). The most convenient – gel cells (few disadvantages of AGMs and most of the advantages of wet cells plus they don’t spill, don’t have issues with heeling angle and can be placed safely in the cabin). AGMs would require special care (when charging) and may not last that long. You may find interesting the results of the battery survey Main Sail did recently. Here is the link to his “early results”: http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=168972. Or his take on the flooded deep cycle batteries here:
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
wet cells can lose up to 10% of charge per month I've seen various outlandish quotes like that on the internet. They are pure BS. As I understand it, the storage temperature a flooded battery would have to be well in excess of 100 degrees Fahrenheit for this high rate of self discharge to happen. A quote from Maine Sail: I was a total disbeliever at the resting OCV of a flooded battery that has sat 100% uncharged for nearly 9 months. I grabbed my refractometer and performed specific gravity checks on each cell. They all agreed and all agreed with the DVM at the SOC.. So this causes one to wonder why there is all the concern around self discharge I have to assume that nearly 20-30 days of this summer saw the shed temps over 100F. It is uninsulated with a black roof... If we are to believe OCV and SG readings it puts this battery at approx 90% SOC after at least 9 months.. Read the whole article here, it is worth the read: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/self_discharge Other references: http://www.cieux.com/bm/batteryWreck.html Wet cells can maintain a workable charge for about a year after the last full charge. When cold, wet cells lose power and cannot deliver their rated charge. Instead of waiting a year for the battery to run down, either recharge your wet cell every six months or keep it fully charged all the time by putting a floating charge on it. http://jgdarden.com/batteryfaq/carfaq16.htm *Self-discharge is accelerated by temperature. For batteries that are over 77° F (25° C), the self-discharge rate doubles with a 18° F (10° C) rise in temperature.* Thus, sulfation is a huge problem for wet lead-acid batteries not being used, sitting on a dealer's shelf, or in a stored vehicle, especially in *HOT* temperatures. Ken H. On 25 February 2015 at 14:29, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: One thing to keep in mind is wet cells can lose up to 10% of charge per month and gels only lose around 1%. For a boat on a mooring or otherwise off shore power this can be a factor. If you go wet cells on a mooring you will want a solar panel to keep them topped off. *Joe Della Barba* Coquina CC 35 MK I *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:58 PM *To:* Edd Schillay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Edd, I am not claiming to be an expert, but from what I have read so far, the AGMs might be a costly solution to a somewhat non-existing problem. Check Main Sail’s write ups on batteries (he did a few additional ones recently). If I understand these things correctly, the best performance per $ you will get from the wet cells (proper marine deep cycle ones). The longest duty cycle – from the golf batteries (the main disadvantage – they are higher than most other batteries, but this is for a reason – there is extra electrolyte over the plates and they don’t get uncovered when the boat heels). The most convenient – gel cells (few disadvantages of AGMs and most of the advantages of wet cells plus they don’t spill, don’t have issues with heeling angle and can be placed safely in the cabin). AGMs would require special care (when charging) and may not last that long. You may find interesting the results of the battery survey Main Sail did recently. Here is the link to his “early results”: http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=168972. Or his take on the flooded deep cycle batteries here: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/deep_cycle_batterypage=1 Marek *From:* Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:16 PM *To:* CC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Josh, I’m leaning towards 4 to 6 (depending on the space available) Trojan T-105s, but am concerned about the maintenance, especially since I’m kinda cut off from the boat all winter long. Alternatively, I was looking at these AGMs: http://www.atbatt.com/amstron-gc2-6v-agm-deep-cycle-battery.asp?utm_content=Amstron-AP-GC2utm_term=AP-GC2utm_category=Sealed-Lead-Acidgclid=CLy95KfH_cMCFXBp7Aod2WkA2g, but won’t bother if AGMs are only going to last a few years. My charging system is the alternator, since the Enterprise lives on a mooring during the season (yes — we call that standard orbit). I only hook up to shore power a few times a year when cruising. The new system will connect the alternator to the house bank and use a Blue Seas ACR ( https://www.bluesea.com/products/7610/SI-ACR_Automatic_Charging_Relay_-_12_24V_DC_120A) to also charge the starting battery. That means I'll have a New-In-Box Echo Charger to sell this Spring. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
One thing to keep in mind is wet cells can lose up to 10% of charge per month and gels only lose around 1%. For a boat on a mooring or otherwise off shore power this can be a factor. If you go wet cells on a mooring you will want a solar panel to keep them topped off. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:58 PM To: Edd Schillay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Edd, I am not claiming to be an expert, but from what I have read so far, the AGMs might be a costly solution to a somewhat non-existing problem. Check Main Sail's write ups on batteries (he did a few additional ones recently). If I understand these things correctly, the best performance per $ you will get from the wet cells (proper marine deep cycle ones). The longest duty cycle - from the golf batteries (the main disadvantage - they are higher than most other batteries, but this is for a reason - there is extra electrolyte over the plates and they don't get uncovered when the boat heels). The most convenient - gel cells (few disadvantages of AGMs and most of the advantages of wet cells plus they don't spill, don't have issues with heeling angle and can be placed safely in the cabin). AGMs would require special care (when charging) and may not last that long. You may find interesting the results of the battery survey Main Sail did recently. Here is the link to his early results: http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=168972. Or his take on the flooded deep cycle batteries here: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/deep_cycle_batterypage=1 Marek From: Edd Schillay via CnC-Listmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:16 PM To: CC Listmailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Josh, I'm leaning towards 4 to 6 (depending on the space available) Trojan T-105s, but am concerned about the maintenance, especially since I'm kinda cut off from the boat all winter long. Alternatively, I was looking at these AGMs: http://www.atbatt.com/amstron-gc2-6v-agm-deep-cycle-battery.asp?utm_content=Amstron-AP-GC2utm_term=AP-GC2utm_category=Sealed-Lead-Acidgclid=CLy95KfH_cMCFXBp7Aod2WkA2g, but won't bother if AGMs are only going to last a few years. My charging system is the alternator, since the Enterprise lives on a mooring during the season (yes - we call that standard orbit). I only hook up to shore power a few times a year when cruising. The new system will connect the alternator to the house bank and use a Blue Seas ACR (https://www.bluesea.com/products/7610/SI-ACR_Automatic_Charging_Relay_-_12_24V_DC_120A) to also charge the starting battery. That means I'll have a New-In-Box Echo Charger to sell this Spring. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Loghttp://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.commailto:muckl...@gmail.com wrote: I was at a point of extremes when I bought 5 AutoZone marine/deep cycle for a total of about $600 and 500Ahrs (~250Ahrs usable without damage). They are the standard maintenance free auto style which can be but are not intended to be watered. For me they were relatively cheap, readily available, easy to claim warranty, light enough to move/install/uninstall. They are also the easiest to charge and discharge since it is such a long standing standard. There are certainly advantages to other technologies and disadvantages to wet cells but for now this solution has met my needs very comfortably. T-105 golf cart batteries would really be my only other concideration but availability, movability, and warranty claimability are hold backs. You also have to consider the charging system when choosing batteries. I have a 100amp balmer alternator with external charge controller and a ProMariner P Nautic 60-12 charger/maintainer. There are disadvantages to staying on shore power 24/7 but it is working for me right now. Maybe I'll change that practice in the future. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Feb 25, 2015 11:17 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, As you know, I'm redoing the electrical systems on the Enterprise (thanks to all for diagrams and advice). So now comes the question of what type of battery to use in my house bank - Flooded, Sealed or AGM? What do you have on your CC and why do you prefer it? And, if you have flooded, how often do you top them off with distilled water? The countdown has begun! http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/2015/02/launch-of-enterprise-countdown.html All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
I would like to add to what Joe said that if you don’t have the shore power, you do need some additional way of charging the batteries. The alternator alone would not be able to do the job, unless you motor extensively (and then you might question why you are carrying that stick pointing up from the deck or the 3000-500 lb. of lead under the hull). This applies to any kind of battery, almost regardless of chemistry and technology. Probably even more to AGMs, because they hate to be left at a discharged state for any longer period. Marek From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 1:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? One thing to keep in mind is wet cells can lose up to 10% of charge per month and gels only lose around 1%. For a boat on a mooring or otherwise off shore power this can be a factor. If you go wet cells on a mooring you will want a solar panel to keep them topped off. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:58 PM To: Edd Schillay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Edd, I am not claiming to be an expert, but from what I have read so far, the AGMs might be a costly solution to a somewhat non-existing problem. Check Main Sail’s write ups on batteries (he did a few additional ones recently). If I understand these things correctly, the best performance per $ you will get from the wet cells (proper marine deep cycle ones). The longest duty cycle – from the golf batteries (the main disadvantage – they are higher than most other batteries, but this is for a reason – there is extra electrolyte over the plates and they don’t get uncovered when the boat heels). The most convenient – gel cells (few disadvantages of AGMs and most of the advantages of wet cells plus they don’t spill, don’t have issues with heeling angle and can be placed safely in the cabin). AGMs would require special care (when charging) and may not last that long. You may find interesting the results of the battery survey Main Sail did recently. Here is the link to his “early results”: http://forums.catalina.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=168972. Or his take on the flooded deep cycle batteries here: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/deep_cycle_batterypage=1 Marek From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:16 PM To: CC List Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Josh, I’m leaning towards 4 to 6 (depending on the space available) Trojan T-105s, but am concerned about the maintenance, especially since I’m kinda cut off from the boat all winter long. Alternatively, I was looking at these AGMs: http://www.atbatt.com/amstron-gc2-6v-agm-deep-cycle-battery.asp?utm_content=Amstron-AP-GC2utm_term=AP-GC2utm_category=Sealed-Lead-Acidgclid=CLy95KfH_cMCFXBp7Aod2WkA2g, but won’t bother if AGMs are only going to last a few years. My charging system is the alternator, since the Enterprise lives on a mooring during the season (yes — we call that standard orbit). I only hook up to shore power a few times a year when cruising. The new system will connect the alternator to the house bank and use a Blue Seas ACR (https://www.bluesea.com/products/7610/SI-ACR_Automatic_Charging_Relay_-_12_24V_DC_120A) to also charge the starting battery. That means I'll have a New-In-Box Echo Charger to sell this Spring. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Feb 25, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Josh Muckley muckl...@gmail.com wrote: I was at a point of extremes when I bought 5 AutoZone marine/deep cycle for a total of about $600 and 500Ahrs (~250Ahrs usable without damage). They are the standard maintenance free auto style which can be but are not intended to be watered. For me they were relatively cheap, readily available, easy to claim warranty, light enough to move/install/uninstall. They are also the easiest to charge and discharge since it is such a long standing standard. There are certainly advantages to other technologies and disadvantages to wet cells but for now this solution has met my needs very comfortably. T-105 golf cart batteries would really be my only other concideration but availability, movability, and warranty claimability are hold backs. You also have to consider the charging system when choosing batteries. I have a 100amp balmer alternator with external charge controller and a ProMariner P Nautic 60-12 charger/maintainer. There are disadvantages to staying on shore power 24/7 but it is working for me right now. Maybe I'll change that practice in the future. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
Ed, But it takes only a small panel to provide adequate current to keep them topped off. You will need your alternator when using the batteries for cruising, of course, but sitting on the mooring, even 0.5 - 1 amp is sufficient. That's all I use on Cat's Paw (kept on a mooring); I have a small solar panel on the forward hatch. Even with a small panel, though, I recommend a simple charge regulator to stop the charging when the batteries are topped up. Eric Frank Cat's Paw, CC 35 Mk II One thing to keep in mind is wet cells can lose up to 10% of charge per month and gels only lose around 1%. For a boat on a mooring or otherwise off shore power this can be a factor. If you go wet cells on a mooring you will want a solar panel to keep them topped off. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
In response to the concern of spilling acid in a wet cell on a rail-in-the-water-heel Maine Sail has this one covered too. Wet cells won't leak (until you have already capsized and then you have bigger problems) if the are oriented the correct way in the boat. http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/flooded_battery_orientation Ken H. http://www.sailmagazine.com/sites/default/files/B.jpg On 25 February 2015 at 16:16, Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com wrote: I may be new to sailing but not to boats. My last boat had (3) 12V starting batteries and (2) 6V (in series) for the house bank. All deep cycle wet cell varying in age from one to six years. My current boat has only (2) 12V (age unknown) with nothing to charge them but the A-4. I have never experienced any amount of self discharge to the point of concern over any reasonable amount of time. I have always kept them on the boat over the winter and top them off and check fluid level in the beginning of the season. Last year I didn’t even do that and both engines (1970 GMC 427 Mercruisers) cranked over plenty strong after a winter on the boat. (that was right before I sold her and got my CC 33) A agree that the predictions of self-discharging over time have never in my experience come to pass. In response to the concern of spilling acid in a wet cell on a rail-in-the-water-heel, I think they made sealed no maintenance wet cell batteries. They do for uninterruptible power systems (UPSs). Airplanes, too I think. I will have to look into that. The old boat didn’t tip that much. *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Heaton via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:20 PM *To:* Della Barba, Joe; cnc-list *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? wet cells can lose up to 10% of charge per month I've seen various outlandish quotes like that on the internet. They are pure BS. As I understand it, the storage temperature a flooded battery would have to be well in excess of 100 degrees Fahrenheit for this high rate of self discharge to happen. A quote from Maine Sail: I was a total disbeliever at the resting OCV of a flooded battery that has sat 100% uncharged for nearly 9 months. I grabbed my refractometer and performed specific gravity checks on each cell. They all agreed and all agreed with the DVM at the SOC.. So this causes one to wonder why there is all the concern around self discharge I have to assume that nearly 20-30 days of this summer saw the shed temps over 100F. It is uninsulated with a black roof... If we are to believe OCV and SG readings it puts this battery at approx 90% SOC after at least 9 months.. Read the whole article here, it is worth the read: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/self_discharge Other references: http://www.cieux.com/bm/batteryWreck.html Wet cells can maintain a workable charge for about a year after the last full charge. When cold, wet cells lose power and cannot deliver their rated charge. Instead of waiting a year for the battery to run down, either recharge your wet cell every six months or keep it fully charged all the time by putting a floating charge on it. http://jgdarden.com/batteryfaq/carfaq16.htm *Self-discharge is accelerated by temperature. For batteries that are over 77° F (25° C), the self-discharge rate doubles with a 18° F (10° C) rise in temperature.* Thus, sulfation is a huge problem for wet lead-acid batteries not being used, sitting on a dealer's shelf, or in a stored vehicle, especially in *HOT* temperatures. Ken H. On 25 February 2015 at 14:29, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: One thing to keep in mind is wet cells can lose up to 10% of charge per month and gels only lose around 1%. For a boat on a mooring or otherwise off shore power this can be a factor. If you go wet cells on a mooring you will want a solar panel to keep them topped off. *Joe Della Barba* Coquina CC 35 MK I *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:58 PM *To:* Edd Schillay; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Edd, I am not claiming to be an expert, but from what I have read so far, the AGMs might be a costly solution to a somewhat non-existing problem. Check Main Sail’s write ups on batteries (he did a few additional ones recently). If I understand these things correctly, the best performance per $ you will get from the wet cells (proper marine deep cycle ones). The longest duty cycle – from the golf batteries (the main disadvantage – they are higher than most other batteries, but this is for a reason – there is extra electrolyte over the plates and they don’t get uncovered when the boat heels). The most convenient – gel cells (few disadvantages of
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
maybe, they did not have the “really good charge controllers”? (-;) From: Frederick G Street Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 4:18 PM To: Marek Dziedzic ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? And lithium burns really well when exposed to oxygen and water; not necessarily something I’d want on my boat, until the technology matures a bit. Witness the lithium battery issues on the Boeing planes. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There are a few write-ups on the use of Li-ion batteries for sailing applications... The flip side to that is that you better have a really good charge controller. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Michael, maybe with Lithium (Li-ion), batteries; I don’t think with NiCd. There are a few write-ups on the use of Li-ion batteries for sailing applications. If I recall correctly, you get almost double density (Ah/weight) and you can easily reach 80 % of discharge (without any damage); this means that you need almost 1/4 of the weight and 1/2 of capacity. The price is somewhat high still, but if you spend a lot of time without being able to recharge, they might offer the right value. The flip side to that is that you better have a really good charge controller. Marek From: Michael Brown via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:54 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? I had hoped that with the research and work being done on the larger NiCD packs in hybrid cars that marine NiCD wet cells would become more common. Michael Brown Windburn CC 30-1 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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And lithium burns really well when exposed to oxygen and water; not necessarily something I’d want on my boat, until the technology matures a bit. Witness the lithium battery issues on the Boeing planes. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There are a few write-ups on the use of Li-ion batteries for sailing applications... The flip side to that is that you better have a really good charge controller. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Keep in mind that most racing rules prohibit use of wet cells for obvious reasons. Knot sure what Maine Sail has to say about defying specific gravity when pinned on a knock down or round down. (I believe most of what Maine Sail has to say, but not all...) Here is another guy in Maine with a more forward looking view. http://www.bruceschwab.com/ KD (pun intended) On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:19 PM Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: And lithium burns *really* well when exposed to oxygen and water; not necessarily something I’d want on my boat, until the technology matures a bit. Witness the lithium battery issues on the Boeing planes. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There are a few write-ups on the use of Li-ion batteries for sailing applications... The flip side to that is that you better have a really good charge controller. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Boeing...and Titan, a boat we built several years back had a fire in Antigua in 2011. We no longer install li-ion batteries. Harry Sent from my iPhone On Feb 25, 2015, at 16:18, Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: And lithium burns really well when exposed to oxygen and water; not necessarily something I’d want on my boat, until the technology matures a bit. Witness the lithium battery issues on the Boeing planes. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There are a few write-ups on the use of Li-ion batteries for sailing applications... The flip side to that is that you better have a really good charge controller. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
I installed a 50W solar panel last summer to keep batteries topped off at the mooring. I bought one sized to fit the sliding companionway hatch. I ran the wires to a 12v outlet plug near the start panel and from there to a charge controller mounted in the lazarette. I leave it just sitting on the hatch when gone and unplug it and throw it on the rear mattress when I get to the boat. It is heavy enough that it is not going anywhere short of a serious gale, but light enough that it is easy to move around. It worked great last season and well worth the time investment to get the wiring installed. Dave On Feb 25, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Eric Frank via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ed, But it takes only a small panel to provide adequate current to keep them topped off. You will need your alternator when using the batteries for cruising, of course, but sitting on the mooring, even 0.5 - 1 amp is sufficient. That's all I use on Cat's Paw (kept on a mooring); I have a small solar panel on the forward hatch. Even with a small panel, though, I recommend a simple charge regulator to stop the charging when the batteries are topped up. Eric Frank Cat's Paw, CC 35 Mk II One thing to keep in mind is wet cells can lose up to 10% of charge per month and gels only lose around 1%. For a boat on a mooring or otherwise off shore power this can be a factor. If you go wet cells on a mooring you will want a solar panel to keep them topped off. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com Aries 1990 CC 34+ New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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T-105 PLUS DATA SHEET OPERATIONAL DATA Operating Temperature Self Discharge -4°F to 113°F (-20°C to +45°C). At temperatures below 32°F (0°C) maintain a state of charge greater than 60%. 5 15% per month depending on storage temperature conditions From Trojan themselves. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 4:43 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? maybe, they did not have the really good charge controllers? (-;) From: Frederick G Street mailto:f...@postaudio.net Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 4:18 PM To: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? And lithium burns really well when exposed to oxygen and water; not necessarily something Id want on my boat, until the technology matures a bit. Witness the lithium battery issues on the Boeing planes. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Feb 25, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: There are a few write-ups on the use of Li-ion batteries for sailing applications... The flip side to that is that you better have a really good charge controller. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM?
May I ask which unit? David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:58:45 -0500 To: efran...@mac.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com I installed a 50W solar panel last summer to keep batteries topped off at the mooring. I bought one sized to fit the sliding companionway hatch. I ran the wires to a 12v outlet plug near the start panel and from there to a charge controller mounted in the lazarette. I leave it just sitting on the hatch when gone and unplug it and throw it on the rear mattress when I get to the boat. It is heavy enough that it is not going anywhere short of a serious gale, but light enough that it is easy to move around. It worked great last season and well worth the time investment to get the wiring installed. Dave On Feb 25, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Eric Frank via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:Ed, But it takes only a small panel to provide adequate current to keep them topped off. You will need your alternator when using the batteries for cruising, of course, but sitting on the mooring, even 0.5 - 1 amp is sufficient. That's all I use on Cat's Paw (kept on a mooring); I have a small solar panel on the forward hatch. Even with a small panel, though, I recommend a simple charge regulator to stop the charging when the batteries are topped up. Eric Frank Cat's Paw, CC 35 Mk II One thing to keep in mind is wet cells can lose up to 10% of charge per month and gels only lose around 1%. For a boat on a mooring or otherwise off shore power this can be a factor. If you go wet cells on a mooring you will want a solar panel to keep them topped off. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com Aries1990 CC 34+New London, CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Starting Battery
35 hp is smaller. V-8 auto engines usually take as little as 800 cca. Many small auto engines 1.9 liter (~100hp) take as little as 200 cca. Your battery selection will work fine. It might even be overkill. Josh On Feb 25, 2015 8:33 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Dennis, Define smaller -- I have a Universal M-35 in the Enterprise. I'm thinking a Trojan Group 27 with 400 CCA as a starting battery. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Feb 25, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com wrote: Edd, Most smaller marine diesels only need 200-250 cranking amps. Dennis C. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, So, on a related topic, what CCA rating is the battery you use for your starting battery? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I checked my Yanmar manual and it looks like it calls for a 100 Ahr battery for my 3 cyl 35hp diesel. So now you ask yourself, how do I compare CCA to Ahrs. The short answer is, you don't. CCA is a bit arbitrary but to achieve higher CCA in the same size you have to have more and thinner plates. This makes them more fragile and decreases their ability to be deaply discharged as well as survive vibration and uncovering. If you seek higher CCA exclusively then you will find a battery which is less suited for a marine environment. AHrs is a less arbitrary spec but still a small bit of fuzzy math since C/20 = 100 and C/10 = 80 and C/1 = 60 could all be Ahr ratings for the same battery. Most manufacturers provide their rating based on C/20. Ultimately, the best batteries (regarless of all other ratings) are the ones which are heaviest. These will have the most lead and subsequently the strongest plates. They will usually also be at the top end of the Ahr ratings but not the highest CCA (if those ratings are even mutually present). Disregard CA and RC ratings. A sufficiently large deep cycle battery is better than a smaller, lighter, starting battery. The weight is only an accurate comparison if the chemistry is the same. Josh ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Battery orientation
I selected AGMs because they don't release gas and are supposed to still work on their sides. Mine are located under the aft bunk aligned port to starb. Expensive but tough and reliable, have lasted 10 years for me. - Original Message - From: PME via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, Ken Heaton kenhea...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 5:52:55 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Battery orientation Ken, Thanks for the link. Great read as most of Maine Sail’s articles are. I am rearranging the batteries in my engine compartment, and I did not think much about the wet cell battery orientation: port-starboard or stern-bow. As Maine Sail shows, wet cell batteries should be aligned port-starboard on sailboats. While on my 29 I had all batteries aligned port-starboard, on the LF38 I have one wet cell aligned stern-bow which I will look into correcting. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Feb 25, 2015, at 4:18 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:35:06 -0400 From: Ken Heaton kenhea...@gmail.com To: Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com Cc: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Message-ID: caabfp6rjkuuht45nj6mevf1mqgxyznnjsmf56ldtwhnaknd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In response to the concern of spilling acid in a wet cell on a rail-in-the-water-heel Maine Sail has this one covered too. Wet cells won't leak (until you have already capsized and then you have bigger problems) if the are oriented the correct way in the boat. http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/flooded_battery_orientation Ken H. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Starting Battery
Dennis, Define smaller -- I have a Universal M-35 in the Enterprise. I'm thinking a Trojan Group 27 with 400 CCA as a starting battery. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Feb 25, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com wrote: Edd, Most smaller marine diesels only need 200-250 cranking amps. Dennis C. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, So, on a related topic, what CCA rating is the battery you use for your starting battery? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Battery orientation
Ken, Thanks for the link. Great read as most of Maine Sail’s articles are. I am rearranging the batteries in my engine compartment, and I did not think much about the wet cell battery orientation: port-starboard or stern-bow. As Maine Sail shows, wet cell batteries should be aligned port-starboard on sailboats. While on my 29 I had all batteries aligned port-starboard, on the LF38 I have one wet cell aligned stern-bow which I will look into correcting. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Feb 25, 2015, at 4:18 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:35:06 -0400 From: Ken Heaton kenhea...@gmail.com mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com To: Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com mailto:bstrat...@falconnect.com Cc: cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Message-ID: caabfp6rjkuuht45nj6mevf1mqgxyznnjsmf56ldtwhnaknd...@mail.gmail.com mailto:caabfp6rjkuuht45nj6mevf1mqgxyznnjsmf56ldtwhnaknd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In response to the concern of spilling acid in a wet cell on a rail-in-the-water-heel Maine Sail has this one covered too. Wet cells won't leak (until you have already capsized and then you have bigger problems) if the are oriented the correct way in the boat. http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/flooded_battery_orientation http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/flooded_battery_orientation Ken H. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Starting Battery
All, So, on a related topic, what CCA rating is the battery you use for your starting battery? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Edd, Most smaller marine diesels only need 200-250 cranking amps. Dennis C. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All, So, on a related topic, what CCA rating is the battery you use for your starting battery? All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B CC 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 6 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Forward hatches on the 1981 CC30 MK1
I have no idea what hardness neoprene one would use ... and best adhesive to fix it in place. Atkins Hoyle website says 'high density, soft durometer' I suppose one of us should get off their duffs and call AH or Hammerhead. On another note, I notice that the Sika 295UV instructions call for 'Sika UV Shielding Tape' overlapping the edge of the window and the adhesive joint itself, onto the cabinside? Has anyone actually seen that or used it themselves? I couldn't find any reference to availability in North America either ... even absent from Sika's Canadian website. I also don't see reference on many of the 'how-to' sites to abrading the edges of the acrylic sheet and the fiberglass frame area prior to install. More discuss use of primer ... but not all state what they are using. Original message From: David Paine paineda...@gmail.com Date: 02-24-2015 12:47 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Peter Fell prf...@gmail.com,cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Forward hatches on the 1981 CC30 MK1 Great points, I'm in the middle of doing the same refab job: My questions are: (1) 0.5 diameter circular cross-section neoprene gasket (for the hatch seal onto frame) but what harness neoprene? (2) Does anyone know where to get a replacement aluminum hatch handle (the round one that allows the hatch to be opened from the outside)? I killed one of the two when I removed it to allow the lens to be removed. The price from AH was too much for me (I'd be better off machining one myself) Thanks for any hints! David On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Isn’t: 1) The gasket is only between the cast lid (in the groove underneath) and the frame to seal the frame to the lid when closed?. As pointed out the gasket material could be obtained from numerous sources. 2) The acrylic is bedded in in the frame with compound? ... Sikaflex 295 UV? 3) The frame is bonded to the deck with butyl and screws. 4) New cast acrylic could be obtained from multiple sources using the old one as a template. So with regards to replacing the acrylic, a lot of the discussion that just took place here regarding window replacement also is applicable to hatches. In my case (CC 27 MkIII) the PO had screws installed at the 4 corners of the hatch acrylic into the cast lid – I don’t think those are original ... It appears to be where mine is now leaking from (of course!) Also the windows were re-bedded (probably acrylic replaced) with screws included every 6-inches or so ... that’s (of course) where the windows are now leaking from (in fact the screws have damaged the cabin side fiberglass around the window opening and I can even pull a couple screws right out of the cabin side completely stripped!) Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet CC 27 MkIII From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 11:47 AM To: Curtis ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Forward hatches on the 1981 CC30 MK1 It should look like one of these: http://atkinshoyle.com/products/hatches-and-ports.html Yup, Butyl and wood screws. You should be able to take out the pin and remove the lid and work on it at home. Joel On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Curtis via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Thanks I guess I will damage the gasket getting a sample out of my 34 year old window. I will be committed to replacing the gasket or the complete window at that point. I will look for a name or number on the unit this afternoon. Hoe is the frame bolted? I don't see any access to the underside of the window? Is it bolted into wood with woof screws from the top side using only butle tape? On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: All true, and a good person to work with. I have used them. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 24 February 2015 at 08:55, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I've not used them yet, but previous Threads about hatches on this list have suggested these guys too: http://hatchrepair.com/ (Hammerhead Nautical Systems) I believe the owner used to work for AH (not sure about that last bit!) sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta On 2015-02-24, at 9:34 AM, Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: http://www.hatchmasters.com has parts for just about any hatch ever made. If you don't see what you need on their website, shoot them an email or give them a call. Bill Bina On 2/24/2015 11:29 AM, Curtis via CnC-List wrote: Does anybody know who the hatch manufacture for the CC in 1981? I need to replace the glass and the gasket on mineand im trying to find a souse for the gasket/ thanks -- Best regards, Curtis McDaniel, CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off
Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank
No mine isn't one of the recalls. But it is time to re-certify. Original message From: Alan Bergen via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 02-21-2015 4:17 PM (GMT-08:00) To: CC Photoalbum email list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank I have a fiberglass tank, which has been recalled. That means I probably won't be able to refill it. Your tank might be similar. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR Hey Jim Where's the best place in Victoria to get a recert? Mind you, my tank is fiberglass ... not sure if that's an issue with where I take it. Peter CC27 Cygnet North Saanich Sent from Samsung tablet Original message From: Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: 02-21-2015 10:12 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Ron Ricci rvri...@gmail.com,1 CnC List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank Around here, it costs $25 or so to recertify a tank and replace the valve. I think the aluminum one on the boat is close to original, it has been recertified so many times that the stamps are getting blended. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 21 February 2015 at 07:38, Ron Ricci via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The OPD is “Overflow Protection Device”. It prevents any kind of tank, regardless of material or age, from being overfilled which could cause a tank failure. Regards, Ron Ronald V. Ricci S/V Patriot CC 37+ Bristol, RI ron.ri...@1968.usna.com From: Jake Brodersen [mailto:captain_j...@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:32 AM To: 'mike amirault'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank Mike, I have an aluminum tank from my boat that doesn’t have an OPD valve on it. No way to get it filled unless I replace the valve with the newer “safe” variety. Never heard of problems with the tank material though. Jake Jake Brodersen “Midnight Mistress” CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of mike amirault via CnC-List Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 6:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Refilling 10 lb propane tank Hello all. I brought my 10lb aluminum tank to Costco Halifax today for a refill. The attendant did fill it but informed me that they are not supposed to fill them any more because aluminum tanks are considered commercial and are to be taxed accordingly which Costco is not set up to do at the pumps. This sounds like a lot of BS to me. Has anyone else run into this? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Battery
Doug, So far I have an AGM start battery and a group 29 wet cell along the port engine side. I purchased the boat with only one battery and no engine installed. I did get the old engine in pieces (aka a basket case) which I rebuilt and just installed. I am still trying to figure out where most things went or should go. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Feb 25, 2015, at 7:31 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:31:16 -0800 (PST) From: svpegasu...@gmail.com mailto:svpegasu...@gmail.com svpegasu...@gmail.com mailto:svpegasu...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Battery orientation Message-ID: 000f4242.27231960285cb...@gmail.com mailto:000f4242.27231960285cb...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Paul, where are your batteries located? I currently have 2 group 24 starting batteries alongside the port side of the engine. 2 T105's in the little cubby below the power panels, And a 4D under the starboard quarter berth. The last one I am goint to move to under the port quarter berth. Plan on converting the starboard q-berth to a nav station.? DougPegasus1979 LF38? T-Mobile. America's First Nationwide 4G Network. -- Original message--From: PME via CnC-List Date: Wed, Feb 25, 2015 14:53To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Ken Heaton;Subject:Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Battery orientationKen, Thanks for the link. Great read as most of Maine Sail?s articles are. ?I am rearranging the batteries in my engine compartment, and I did not think much about the wet cell battery orientation: port-starboard or stern-bow. ? As Maine Sail shows, wet cell batteries should be aligned port-starboard on sailboats. While on my 29 I had all batteries aligned port-starboard, on the LF38 I have one wet cell aligned stern-bow which I will look into correcting. ? - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Battery
Paul, if you have any questions feel free to email me off site. Does your boat have the nav station or quater berth or the quarter berth on the starboard side? DougPegasus1979 LF38 T-Mobile. America's First Nationwide 4G Network. -- Original message--From: PME via CnC-List Date: Wed, Feb 25, 2015 20:40To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Subject:Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? BatteryDoug, So far I have an AGM start battery and a group 29 wet cell along the port engine side. I purchased the boat with only one battery and no engine installed. I did get the old engine in pieces (aka a basket case) which I rebuilt and just installed. I am still trying to figure out where most things went or should go. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Feb 25, 2015, at 7:31 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:31:16 -0800 (PST) From: svpegasu...@gmail.com svpegasu...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded,Sealed or AGM? Battery orientation Message-ID: 000f4242.27231960285cb...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Paul, where are your batteries located? I currently have 2 group 24 starting batteries alongside the port side of the engine. 2 T105's in the little cubby below the power panels, And a 4D under the starboard quarter berth. The last one I am goint to move to under the port quarter berth. Plan on converting the starboard q-berth to a nav station.? DougPegasus1979 LF38? T-Mobile. America's First Nationwide 4G Network. -- Original message--From: PME via CnC-List Date: Wed, Feb 25, 2015 14:53To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Ken Heaton;Subject:Re: Stus-List Batteries -- Flooded, Sealed or AGM? Battery orientationKen, Thanks for the link. Great read as most of Maine Sail?s articles are. ?I am rearranging the batteries in my engine compartment, and I did not think much about the wet cell battery orientation: port-starboard or stern-bow. ? As Maine Sail shows, wet cell batteries should be aligned port-starboard on sailboats. While on my 29 I had all batteries aligned port-starboard, on the LF38 I have one wet cell aligned stern-bow which I will look into correcting. ? - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Starting Battery
Ed Yanmar 3gm has no glow plug, correct? More cranking amps might mean faster cranking in the spring and late fall. My 2gm does better in cold weather with a faster crank. I'm on a mooring as you are and I feel it makes a difference. Sent from a bourbon tasting. Hope this makes sense. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
