Re: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back!
Edd You should consider charging admission to view the new power plant when you are at the Rendezvous. Might be able to recoup some of your costs. Stu___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back!
Great to hear! Chuck B CC 34 Elusive Somerset, MA On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, I’m happy to report that after the extensive repowering job replacing my dead Universal M-35 with a Beta Marine 30, the Starship Enterprise was launched this morning with the tide. We start racing again tonight. The order is given: Warp Speed! All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back!
Great! Joel On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Chuck Borge via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Great to hear! Chuck B CC 34 Elusive Somerset, MA On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, I’m happy to report that after the extensive repowering job replacing my dead Universal M-35 with a Beta Marine 30, the Starship Enterprise was launched this morning with the tide. We start racing again tonight. The order is given: Warp Speed! All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please
Hi Brad My wife and I have owned a CC110 since 2006. We have nothing but great things to say about the boat. They are super fast, yet provide all the amenities you could desire for a holiday on the hook. We are about to list ours, but it is much too far away for you to consider (Canada); however, if you decide to purchase a 110 and need some advice from an owner, please feel free to send me a note. Cheers Wayne Wall CC110 VELOX -Original Message- From: cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: CnC-List Digest, Vol 114, Issue 63 Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to cnc-list@cnc-list.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com You can reach the person managing the list at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CnC-List digest... Today's Topics: 1. Looking for feedback please (Bradford Baker) 2. Re: The Starship Enterprise is Back! (Joel Aronson) 3. Re: Looking for feedback please (John Pennie) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:39:19 -0400 From: Bradford Baker bradba...@mac.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please Message-ID: 339ce963-a8e2-4237-9532-8fbd20b76...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you?d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that ?Mother Nature always bats last.? Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:52:22 -0400 From: Joel Aronson joel.aron...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back! Message-ID: cael16p-pnpm9ybjqjeyns1s9utopntsf9ayrbhjrpsjydyl...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Great! Joel On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Chuck Borge via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Great to hear! Chuck B CC 34 Elusive Somerset, MA On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Listers, I?m happy to report that after the extensive repowering job replacing my dead Universal M-35 with a Beta Marine 30, the Starship Enterprise was launched this morning with the tide. We start racing again tonight. The order is given: Warp Speed! All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150729/2e5dd063/attachment-0001.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PastedGraphic-1.tiff Type: image/tiff Size: 32046 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150729/2e5dd063/attachment-0001.tiff -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:59:02 -0400 From: John Pennie j...@svpaws.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please Message-ID: ab66d64f-c44a-4b4d-994d-fdceb70c9...@svpaws.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I have a 121 and love it. Also know the 110 very well. What are you looking to do with the boat? John Sent from my iPad On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Bradford Baker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you?d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that ?Mother Nature always bats last.? Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back!
Stu, Great idea. I know David Risch is loaded, so I’m sure he’d pay top dollar. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd You should consider charging admission to view the new power plant when you are at the Rendezvous. Might be able to recoup some of your costs. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Landfall 38 restoration project
Speaking of Fools, I just started documenting all of the little and big projects that I have done over the last 16 months since purchasing my “LF38 fixer upper”. For 14 months, the boat was hauled out, and I drove over an hour each way to the marina, nearly every weekend, working on some project. During the week days, I spent too much time planning, preparing, and just plan thinking about boat projects. She is now in her slip, and I am enjoying the sailing, but for the longest time I wondered if we were ever going to get to to this point. I am using a blog for the online documentation. I started it a few weeks ago, back dating the entries of various projects. It is still incomplete, a bit green, and I’m sure spotted with grammatical errors. The easiest way to navigate the site is to use the “Projects” link under Pages on the right side of the main page. http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ svJohannaRose.blogspot.com - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:15 PM, PME dre...@gmail.com wrote: Yea, there’s likely some FOOL thinking what a great deal and what a fun project that would be to fix her up. And before we know it, he/she will be posting on the list…. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:53 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:53:43 -0400 From: Robert Boyer dainyr...@icloud.com mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? Message-ID: 0edac2a6-516e-4092-a26a-8ed592a5a...@icloud.com mailto:0edac2a6-516e-4092-a26a-8ed592a5a...@icloud.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 It's pretty sad when you can buy a 38-foot CC for less money than we pay for a slip rental for one year! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate Flesness via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:08 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Nate Flesness Subject: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAILBOAT-C-amp-C-LANDFALL-38-039-/131565358722?_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276 http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAILBOAT-C-amp-C-LANDFALL-38-039-/131565358722?_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276 it says soft deck spot, but if thats all, yikes... Nate ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please
I have a 121 and love it. Also know the 110 very well. What are you looking to do with the boat? John Sent from my iPad On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Bradford Baker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List NMEA 0183 Multiplexer
Thanks! Cheers,Aaron R.Admiral Maggie,1979 CC 30 MK1 #540Annapolis, MD To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:39:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 0183 Multiplexer From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: w...@wbryant.com I've had good luck with my Brookhouse. http://brookhouseonline.com/ I just checked the site and see they've added some WiFi and Bluetooth accessories. Wal -- s/v Stella Blue www.wbryant.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Looking for feedback please
My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please
I will echo what John has asked. What are you planning to do with the boat? I have raced weekly on a CC115 for the past 6 years and have sailed quite a bit and raced some on and against a 99 as well. Of the four models I believe these are the most commonly raced The CC 115 sails extremely well to wind but likes to have a good sized crew to run it. We like to have 11 bodies on board when we race to give adequate weight on rail and to get all the jobs done. Both the 115 and 99 have oversized spinnaker and pole but the 115 requires dip pole gybes since it has a mast end and a guy end on the pole. This requires a mast person as well as a foredeck person for gybes. The 99 can do end for end or dip pole so requires one less body. Last year in a race week 7 was an adequate crew size on a 99. The rig on the 115 is quite large. The main sheet is led to a winch on either coaming and is more work to run than that on the 99 which is I believe 6 or 8 to one with ratcheting cam cleats. The traveler on the 99 seems to work better than that on the 115 as well. Much else is the same on the two models The interiors of both the 99 and 115 are quite nice but the aft cabin in the 99 is a bit more cramped although my wife and I have slept quite comfortably in the aft cabin on a 99 more than once. If going offshore the 115 is a far bigger boat than the 99 but I cannot speak for the 110 or 121. For rigging the loads and simplicity of the 99 are very nice. Many of the adjustments such as backstay are not hydraulic and are well geared and easily adjusted. By comparison the loads on the 115 are higher making it difficult to adjust outhaul, halyard etc while hard on the wind. If you want a 99 for racing the boat named Rabbit is for sale. It is hull #1, has the original 6'6 keel, carbon rig, bow sprit, carbon wheel and custom Spartan interior. This would be the fastest CC99 in existence and there is a huge difference in performance between the 6.5 ft keel and the 5.5 version. Note that if you are concerned about going places because of a deep draft then forget the 115 which I believe is 7 ft and go for the 5.5 ft 99. Both of the newer CCs that I have regularly sailed on and raced on are very nice designs and very nice sailing boats. CC IMO really dropped the ball when they changed to only the shallower keel on the 99 as it has affected the performance noticeably but is still a very well performing boat even with the 5.5 ft keel. The shallower keel has the weight a bit aft on the 99 compared to the 6.5 ft keel making it very important to get weight forward for optimum trim. A Carbon rig 6.5 ft keel version here in Halifax is very fast and an Olson 30 that has raced against both variants of the 99 commented how much faster the deeper keel one was. You are not going to do wrong with either the 99 or the 115 but if short handed sailing a lot the smaller 99 is easier to handle. IMO CC made 4 very lovely models in these boats. Good luck with your search Oh - and the cut out transoms on all models are something I am very envious about. Swimming off the 99 is very convenient compared to climbing up the transom and over the pushpit on our Frers 33 Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Looking for feedback please
That's a wide range of boats to consider. Draft may be important to you if you are sailing in Florida. The CC 110 is available with four different keel configurations. 7.25', 6.5', 6.0' and 4.83'. The shoal draft may be a boat to consider in your area. I have a CC 110 shoal draft which actually points better than I expected. Where I sail, there isn't an option to have a deeper draft so the 110 was the perfect choice. The 99 and 121 are at opposite ends of the scale so only you will be able to determine if they have enough or too much room for you. Their layouts are very different. The 110 and 115 are very similar in size and layout. If you're moving up from a smaller boat keep in mind that loads increase exponentially. Grinding in a large genoa or raising the main on a large boat can suck the life out of you in a hurry. They are very well built boats and as expected, sail with a performance bias. What do you intend to do with the boat? How many people are you trying to accommodate and for how long? Planning on doing any racing or just fast cruising? Ted Drossos CC 110 Lady in Red Bay Shore, NY ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 114, Issue 58
Peter - I'd recommend keeping the stove in the garage and putting it back in before you sell the boat. Wal * Wal, I'm actually looking at building it in to my BBQ. Put those propane burners to work. When/if boat sells, I will send it off with the new owner. Actually, the boat is coming along nicely. Has been completely re-wired with a new AC and DC panels installed, Nexus wind instruments installed (wireless to the wind vane at the top of the mast), leaky V-berth hatch was re-done by Atkins and Hoyle (no more drip on the forehead as I try to sleep), Raymarine Evo-100 auto pilot installed, all upholstery recovered, new mattress in V-berth, new VHF, electronic weather station, solar powered vents, cowl vents, Lewmar self-tailing primary winches, etc Still lots to do. The winter project will be installing a windlass, getting some chain and a new Rocna anchor. Peter Delean Drifter 2 1980 CC 30 Mk 1 (597) ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?
Yea, there’s likely some FOOL thinking what a great deal and what a fun project that would be to fix her up. And before we know it, he/she will be posting on the list…. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:53 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:53:43 -0400 From: Robert Boyer dainyr...@icloud.com mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? Message-ID: 0edac2a6-516e-4092-a26a-8ed592a5a...@icloud.com mailto:0edac2a6-516e-4092-a26a-8ed592a5a...@icloud.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 It's pretty sad when you can buy a 38-foot CC for less money than we pay for a slip rental for one year! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate Flesness via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:08 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Nate Flesness Subject: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAILBOAT-C-amp-C-LANDFALL-38-039-/131565358722?_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276 http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAILBOAT-C-amp-C-LANDFALL-38-039-/131565358722?_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276 it says soft deck spot, but if thats all, yikes... Nate ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please
I have seriously considered going to Ohio to look at the CC 99 (rabbit). The prospect of owning hull #1 scares me. Didn't they have issues with hull construction at the beginning or was it just Tartan 3700s? Cheers,Aaron R.Admiral Maggie,1979 CC 30 MK1 #540Annapolis, MD To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 16:22:40 + Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: mike.h...@impgroup.com I will echo what John has asked. What are you planning to do with the boat? I have raced weekly on a CC115 for the past 6 years and have sailed quite a bit and raced some on and against a 99 as well. Of the four models I believe these are the most commonly raced The CC 115 sails extremely well to wind but likes to have a good sized crew to run it. We like to have 11 bodies on board when we race to give adequate weight on rail and to get all the jobs done. Both the 115 and 99 have oversized spinnaker and pole but the 115 requires dip pole gybes since it has a mast end and a guy end on the pole. This requires a mast person as well as a foredeck person for gybes. The 99 can do end for end or dip pole so requires one less body. Last year in a race week 7 was an adequate crew size on a 99. The rig on the 115 is quite large. The main sheet is led to a winch on either coaming and is more work to run than that on the 99 which is I believe 6 or 8 to one with ratcheting cam cleats. The traveler on the 99 seems to work better than that on the 115 as well. Much else is the same on the two models The interiors of both the 99 and 115 are quite nice but the aft cabin in the 99 is a bit more cramped although my wife and I have slept quite comfortably in the aft cabin on a 99 more than once. If going offshore the 115 is a far bigger boat than the 99 but I cannot speak for the 110 or 121. For rigging the loads and simplicity of the 99 are very nice. Many of the adjustments such as backstay are not hydraulic and are well geared and easily adjusted. By comparison the loads on the 115 are higher making it difficult to adjust outhaul, halyard etc while hard on the wind. If you want a 99 for racing the boat named Rabbit is for sale. It is hull #1, has the original 6'6 keel, carbon rig, bow sprit, carbon wheel and custom Spartan interior. This would be the fastest CC99 in existence and there is a huge difference in performance between the 6.5 ft keel and the 5.5 version. Note that if you are concerned about going places because of a deep draft then forget the 115 which I believe is 7 ft and go for the 5.5 ft 99. Both of the newer CCs that I have regularly sailed on and raced on are very nice designs and very nice sailing boats. CC IMO really dropped the ball when they changed to only the shallower keel on the 99 as it has affected the performance noticeably but is still a very well performing boat even with the 5.5 ft keel. The shallower keel has the weight a bit aft on the 99 compared to the 6.5 ft keel making it very important to get weight forward for optimum trim. A Carbon rig 6.5 ft keel version here in Halifax is very fast and an Olson 30 that has raced against both variants of the 99 commented how much faster the deeper keel one was. You are not going to do wrong with either the 99 or the 115 but if short handed sailing a lot the smaller 99 is easier to handle. IMO CC made 4 very lovely models in these boats. Good luck with your search Oh - and the cut out transoms on all models are something I am very envious about. Swimming off the 99 is very convenient compared to climbing up the transom and over the pushpit on our Frers 33 Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including
Stus-List New Canvas
Joel, I like Rita at First Class Yacht Services in Pasadena, Md. Very reasonable, good workmanship, real sunbrella, she measures, and everything just fits. If you do enquire, tell her I sent you. Dan SheerPegathy - LF38Rock Creek off the Patapsco ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Landfall 38 restoration project
I would not call the person a FOOL. If he/she knows what they are buying for 4k and have the knowledge and are willing to put the work, that person is a genius. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of PME via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:05 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: PME Subject: Stus-List Landfall 38 restoration project Speaking of Fools, I just started documenting all of the little and big projects that I have done over the last 16 months since purchasing my “LF38 fixer upper”. For 14 months, the boat was hauled out, and I drove over an hour each way to the marina, nearly every weekend, working on some project. During the week days, I spent too much time planning, preparing, and just plan thinking about boat projects. She is now in her slip, and I am enjoying the sailing, but for the longest time I wondered if we were ever going to get to to this point. I am using a blog for the online documentation. I started it a few weeks ago, back dating the entries of various projects. It is still incomplete, a bit green, and I’m sure spotted with grammatical errors. The easiest way to navigate the site is to use the “Projects” link under Pages on the right side of the main page. http://svjohannarose.blogspot.comsvJohannaRose.blogspot.com - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:15 PM, PME dre...@gmail.com wrote: Yea, there’s likely some FOOL thinking what a great deal and what a fun project that would be to fix her up. And before we know it, he/she will be posting on the list…. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:53 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:53:43 -0400 From: Robert Boyer mailto:dainyr...@icloud.com dainyr...@icloud.com To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? Message-ID: mailto:0edac2a6-516e-4092-a26a-8ed592a5a...@icloud.com 0edac2a6-516e-4092-a26a-8ed592a5a...@icloud.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 It's pretty sad when you can buy a 38-foot CC for less money than we pay for a slip rental for one year! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate Flesness via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:08 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Nate Flesness Subject: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAILBOAT-C-amp-C-LANDFALL-38-039-/131565358722? http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAILBOAT-C-amp-C-LANDFALL-38-039-/131565358722?_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276 _trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276 it says soft deck spot, but if thats all, yikes... Nate ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please
Mike neglected to mention the 115 he races on out of Halifax, NS is also for sale (but it is a long way from Florida). Ken H. On 29 July 2015 at 13:22, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I will echo what John has asked. What are you planning to do with the boat? I have raced weekly on a CC115 for the past 6 years and have sailed quite a bit and raced some on and against a 99 as well. Of the four models I believe these are the most commonly raced The CC 115 sails extremely well to wind but likes to have a good sized crew to run it. We like to have 11 bodies on board when we race to give adequate weight on rail and to get all the jobs done. Both the 115 and 99 have oversized spinnaker and pole but the 115 requires dip pole gybes since it has a mast end and a guy end on the pole. This requires a mast person as well as a foredeck person for gybes. The 99 can do end for end or dip pole so requires one less body. Last year in a race week 7 was an adequate crew size on a 99. The rig on the 115 is quite large. The main sheet is led to a winch on either coaming and is more work to run than that on the 99 which is I believe 6 or 8 to one with ratcheting cam cleats. The traveler on the 99 seems to work better than that on the 115 as well. Much else is the same on the two models The interiors of both the 99 and 115 are quite nice but the aft cabin in the 99 is a bit more cramped although my wife and I have slept quite comfortably in the aft cabin on a 99 more than once. If going offshore the 115 is a far bigger boat than the 99 but I cannot speak for the 110 or 121. For rigging the loads and simplicity of the 99 are very nice. Many of the adjustments such as backstay are not hydraulic and are well geared and easily adjusted. By comparison the loads on the 115 are higher making it difficult to adjust outhaul, halyard etc while hard on the wind. If you want a 99 for racing the boat named Rabbit is for sale. It is hull #1, has the original 6'6 keel, carbon rig, bow sprit, carbon wheel and custom Spartan interior. This would be the fastest CC99 in existence and there is a huge difference in performance between the 6.5 ft keel and the 5.5 version. Note that if you are concerned about going places because of a deep draft then forget the 115 which I believe is 7 ft and go for the 5.5 ft 99. Both of the newer CCs that I have regularly sailed on and raced on are very nice designs and very nice sailing boats. CC IMO really dropped the ball when they changed to only the shallower keel on the 99 as it has affected the performance noticeably but is still a very well performing boat even with the 5.5 ft keel. The shallower keel has the weight a bit aft on the 99 compared to the 6.5 ft keel making it very important to get weight forward for optimum trim. A Carbon rig 6.5 ft keel version here in Halifax is very fast and an Olson 30 that has raced against both variants of the 99 commented how much faster the deeper keel one was. You are not going to do wrong with either the 99 or the 115 but if short handed sailing a lot the smaller 99 is easier to handle. IMO CC made 4 very lovely models in these boats. Good luck with your search Oh - and the cut out transoms on all models are something I am very envious about. Swimming off the 99 is very convenient compared to climbing up the transom and over the pushpit on our Frers 33 Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?
You mean someone like Wally? Just kidding!! James Delaney 1976 CC 38 Mk 2 Oriental, NC From: PME via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:15 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: PME Subject: Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? Yea, there’s likely some FOOL thinking what a great deal and what a fun project that would be to fix her up. And before we know it, he/she will be posting on the list…. - Paul E. 1981 CC Landfall 38 S/V Johanna Rose Carrabelle, FL On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:53 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:53:43 -0400 From: Robert Boyer dainyr...@icloud.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? Message-ID: 0edac2a6-516e-4092-a26a-8ed592a5a...@icloud.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 It's pretty sad when you can buy a 38-foot CC for less money than we pay for a slip rental for one year! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate Flesness via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:08 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Nate Flesness Subject: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAILBOAT-C-amp-C-LANDFALL-38-039-/131565358722?_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276 it says soft deck spot, but if thats all, yikes... Nate ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thanks for the replies
11' must be an error in the data on Sailboatdata.com http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=4370 JOHN KRETSCHMER in Sailing Magazine, from February 2001 said Either the optional 5-foot shoal-draft or 8-foot deep-draft keel is available. http://sailingmagazine.net/article-416-cc-121.html Bob Perry, also in Sailing Magazine said much the same thing Three keels are available drawing 8 feet; 6 feet, 6 inches; or 5 feet. http://svpaws.net/Site/Resources_files/Perry%20Design%20Review%3A%20C%26C%20110%20Express.pdf A few more sources: http://svpaws.net/Site/Resources_files/Top%2010%202.jpeg http://svpaws.net/Site/Resources_files/Brochure%20specs.pdf On 29 July 2015 at 18:27, John Pennie j...@svpaws.net wrote: 11' keel? John Sent from my iPad On Jul 29, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Ken Heaton kenhea...@gmail.com wrote: They are definitely race oriented so the weight will surprise you if you're coming from the Sabre/Tartan/original CC world. Careful of those comparisons. Our 1990 Canadian built CC 37/40 XL has a displacement of 15,900 lbs, of which 7,200 is lead in the 8' deep keel, so our boat, less the keel, displaces 8,700 lbs. A 1999 CC 121 has a displacement of 14,100 lbs, of which 5,500 is lead in the 11' deep keel. 8,600 lbs without the keel. 100 lbs is not much difference and if our keel was 11' deep we could likely get away with only 5,500 lbs. of lead too. True, the older ones were heavier... Ken H. On 29 July 2015 at 17:10, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Did the same thing, looked at several J's before coming to my senses and jumping on the 121. We use her as a fast cruiser and occasional racer. The only real negative with the Tartan built boats was the interior varnish. They opted to save a few dollars per boat and use an interior grade finish with limited uv tolerance. They also had some issues with the first epoxy hulls around 2002 but you would think any issues on a particular boat would have surfaced by now. Really like all of the CC's from Tartan. They are definitely race oriented so the weight will surprise you if you're coming from the Sabre/Tartan/original CC world. Having owned a Sabre 386 I can tell you they are not even in the same league in terms of performance. Beautiful construction however. John Sent from my iPad On Jul 29, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Bradford Baker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In response to my questions about later models C Cs. We’re not planning any racing, but as an ex-racer I’d rather have something that’s faster and handles better. Draft is a consideration, but we’re o.k. with anything up to 6.5' We’ve looked at a lot of Js in the same size range as well. Originally lookes at Sabres which were certainly well built but much slower based on PHRF data. In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that Mother Nature always bats last. Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back!
Schematic for the new engine. Jerry JJ CC 27V ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 34 sails needed
A long way away, but may be something there? http://vancouver.craigslist.ca/van/bpo/5122585668.html Peter Fell Sidney, BC Cygnet CC 27 MkIII -Original Message- From: John and Maryann Read via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 11:14 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: John and Maryann Read Subject: Stus-List 34 sails needed Looking for replacements of our very tired sails 155% genoa, #6 luff tape for Harken forestay 0.5 to 0.75 oz symmetrical spinnaker for our 34. 33 Mk1 will also fit Anyone have these hanging around?? Many thanks John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 CC 34 Noank, CT --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List winches
Harold, That should help. Hutton-Arco in Australia is your best bet, but shipping is SLOW! http://www.arco-winches.com/products/spares There is an outfit in England, winch spares. Joel On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 3:32 PM, patricia barkley-higginbottom via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Thanks to those who had suggestions regarding a slipping self tailing winch. I found a schematic for the winch, removed the tailing arm, found that the spring loaded screws could be tightened , which I did and then went for a sail. The wind died before getting a chance to see if there was an improvement, but it gave me the idea that perhaps the springs are tired too and possibly replacing them might be beneficial. Now the question is who might stock them. I seem to remember that there is an outfit in Australia. Will have to do a web search, unless anybody has a better idea. My drums look suitably rough and usually very few wraps are all that is required. It was the self tailer that let go. Harold Celtic Spirit Hamilton, ON ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please
Mike, I have a pretty little 1986 33 II for sale that would make an excellent racing platform...hint, hint, hintwe can talk about delivering Richard 1985 CC 36 CB, Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: kenheaton kenhea...@gmail.com; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com Sent: Wed, Jul 29, 2015 2:57 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please Thanks Ken For sale but not sold. As a matter of fact racing on it in 2 hours …. If Koobalibra sells then my racing gets a lot more expensive as we have to use my boat! Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS From: Ken Heaton [mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:52 PM To: cnc-list Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please Mike neglected to mention the 115 he races on out of Halifax, NS is also for sale (but it is a long way from Florida). Ken H. On 29 July 2015 at 13:22, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I will echo what John has asked. What are you planning to do with the boat? I have raced weekly on a CC115 for the past 6 years and have sailed quite a bit and raced some on and against a 99 as well. Of the four models I believe these are the most commonly raced The CC 115 sails extremely well to wind but likes to have a good sized crew to run it. We like to have 11 bodies on board when we race to give adequate weight on rail and to get all the jobs done. Both the 115 and 99 have oversized spinnaker and pole but the 115 requires dip pole gybes since it has a mast end and a guy end on the pole. This requires a mast person as well as a foredeck person for gybes. The 99 can do end for end or dip pole so requires one less body. Last year in a race week 7 was an adequate crew size on a 99. The rig on the 115 is quite large. The main sheet is led to a winch on either coaming and is more work to run than that on the 99 which is I believe 6 or 8 to one with ratcheting cam cleats. The traveler on the 99 seems to work better than that on the 115 as well. Much else is the same on the two models The interiors of both the 99 and 115 are quite nice but the aft cabin in the 99 is a bit more cramped although my wife and I have slept quite comfortably in the aft cabin on a 99 more than once. If going offshore the 115 is a far bigger boat than the 99 but I cannot speak for the 110 or 121. For rigging the loads and simplicity of the 99 are very nice. Many of the adjustments such as backstay are not hydraulic and are well geared and easily adjusted. By comparison the loads on the 115 are higher making it difficult to adjust outhaul, halyard etc while hard on the wind. If you want a 99 for racing the boat named Rabbit is for sale. It is hull #1, has the original 6'6 keel, carbon rig, bow sprit, carbon wheel and custom Spartan interior. This would be the fastest CC99 in existence and there is a huge difference in performance between the 6.5 ft keel and the 5.5 version. Note that if you are concerned about going places because of a deep draft then forget the 115 which I believe is 7 ft and go for the 5.5 ft 99. Both of the newer CCs that I have regularly sailed on and raced on are very nice designs and very nice sailing boats. CC IMO really dropped the ball when they changed to only the shallower keel on the 99 as it has affected the performance noticeably but is still a very well performing boat even with the 5.5 ft keel. The shallower keel has the weight a bit aft on the 99 compared to the 6.5 ft keel making it very important to get weight forward for optimum trim. A Carbon rig 6.5 ft keel version here in Halifax is very fast and an Olson 30 that has raced against both variants of the 99 commented how much faster the deeper keel one was. You are not going to do wrong with either the 99 or the 115 but if short handed sailing a lot the smaller 99 is easier to handle. IMO CC made 4 very lovely models in these boats. Good luck with your search Oh - and the cut out transoms on all models are something I am very envious about. Swimming off the 99 is very convenient compared to climbing up the transom and over the pushpit on our Frers 33 Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291
Re: Stus-List Thanks for the replies
Did the same thing, looked at several J's before coming to my senses and jumping on the 121. We use her as a fast cruiser and occasional racer. The only real negative with the Tartan built boats was the interior varnish. They opted to save a few dollars per boat and use an interior grade finish with limited uv tolerance. They also had some issues with the first epoxy hulls around 2002 but you would think any issues on a particular boat would have surfaced by now. Really like all of the CC's from Tartan. They are definitely race oriented so the weight will surprise you if you're coming from the Sabre/Tartan/original CC world. Having owned a Sabre 386 I can tell you they are not even in the same league in terms of performance. Beautiful construction however. John Sent from my iPad On Jul 29, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Bradford Baker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In response to my questions about later models C Cs. We’re not planning any racing, but as an ex-racer I’d rather have something that’s faster and handles better. Draft is a consideration, but we’re o.k. with anything up to 6.5' We’ve looked at a lot of Js in the same size range as well. Originally lookes at Sabres which were certainly well built but much slower based on PHRF data. In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that Mother Nature always bats last. Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thanks for the replies
They are definitely race oriented so the weight will surprise you if you're coming from the Sabre/Tartan/original CC world. Careful of those comparisons. Our 1990 Canadian built CC 37/40 XL has a displacement of 15,900 lbs, of which 7,200 is lead in the 8' deep keel, so our boat, less the keel, displaces 8,700 lbs. A 1999 CC 121 has a displacement of 14,100 lbs, of which 5,500 is lead in the 11' deep keel. 8,600 lbs without the keel. 100 lbs is not much difference and if our keel was 11' deep we could likely get away with only 5,500 lbs. of lead too. True, the older ones were heavier... Ken H. On 29 July 2015 at 17:10, John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Did the same thing, looked at several J's before coming to my senses and jumping on the 121. We use her as a fast cruiser and occasional racer. The only real negative with the Tartan built boats was the interior varnish. They opted to save a few dollars per boat and use an interior grade finish with limited uv tolerance. They also had some issues with the first epoxy hulls around 2002 but you would think any issues on a particular boat would have surfaced by now. Really like all of the CC's from Tartan. They are definitely race oriented so the weight will surprise you if you're coming from the Sabre/Tartan/original CC world. Having owned a Sabre 386 I can tell you they are not even in the same league in terms of performance. Beautiful construction however. John Sent from my iPad On Jul 29, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Bradford Baker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In response to my questions about later models C Cs. We’re not planning any racing, but as an ex-racer I’d rather have something that’s faster and handles better. Draft is a consideration, but we’re o.k. with anything up to 6.5' We’ve looked at a lot of Js in the same size range as well. Originally lookes at Sabres which were certainly well built but much slower based on PHRF data. In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that Mother Nature always bats last. Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List winches
Thanks to those who had suggestions regarding a slipping self tailing winch. I found a schematic for the winch, removed the tailing arm, found that the spring loaded screws could be tightened , which I did and then went for a sail. The wind died before getting a chance to see if there was an improvement, but it gave me the idea that perhaps the springs are tired too and possibly replacing them might be beneficial. Now the question is who might stock them. I seem to remember that there is an outfit in Australia. Will have to do a web search, unless anybody has a better idea. My drums look suitably rough and usually very few wraps are all that is required. It was the self tailer that let go. Harold Celtic Spirit Hamilton, ON ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please
Hello Brad. We sailed a CC 33-II for 20 years but sold her for a CC 110 three years ago and are very delighted. Glad to answer any questions. One great source of information on the CC 110 is the CC Owners web site on sailingnetworks.com (http://www.sailingnetworks.com/login?redirect=%2Fgroups%2Fforum%2Flist%3Fgroup%3D526). Note the 110 has many variants; 4 keels, 3 masts and with a symmetrical or asymmetrical spinnaker set up as well as early (mid 2002 and before) boats were vinylester resin and after that, epoxy based. Tartan Marine, who made the 110, is still supporting it and has been very responsive to questions. With any saildrive engine boats, one key question is if the saildrive rubber seal at the drive leg/hull joint has been replaced. (Volvo recommends every 7 years though most seem to be going much longer...) Bob McLaughlin 2003 CC 110 Blue Devil -Original Message- From: Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 10:39 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back!
Congrats Edd! -- Original Message -- From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back! Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:59:37 -0400 May your new beta diesel live a long and prosperous life. SteveSuhana, CC 32Toronto On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Stu, Great idea. I know David Risch is loaded, so Irsquo;m sure hersquo;d pay top dollar. All the best, Edd Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseCC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:Edd You should consider charging admission to view the new power plant when you are at the Rendezvous. Might be able to recoup some of your costs. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please
I'll miss seeing her around if she sells. We're pretty used to having her (and Dave) in the Bras d'or Lakes in the summer. Its a tradition by now. Ken H. On 29 July 2015 at 15:56, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Thanks Ken For sale but not sold. As a matter of fact racing on it in 2 hours …. If Koobalibra sells then my racing gets a lot more expensive as we have to use my boat! Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS *From:* Ken Heaton [mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:52 PM *To:* cnc-list *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please Mike neglected to mention the 115 he races on out of Halifax, NS is also for sale (but it is a long way from Florida). Ken H. On 29 July 2015 at 13:22, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I will echo what John has asked. What are you planning to do with the boat? I have raced weekly on a CC115 for the past 6 years and have sailed quite a bit and raced some on and against a 99 as well. Of the four models I believe these are the most commonly raced The CC 115 sails extremely well to wind but likes to have a good sized crew to run it. We like to have 11 bodies on board when we race to give adequate weight on rail and to get all the jobs done. Both the 115 and 99 have oversized spinnaker and pole but the 115 requires dip pole gybes since it has a mast end and a guy end on the pole. This requires a mast person as well as a foredeck person for gybes. The 99 can do end for end or dip pole so requires one less body. Last year in a race week 7 was an adequate crew size on a 99. The rig on the 115 is quite large. The main sheet is led to a winch on either coaming and is more work to run than that on the 99 which is I believe 6 or 8 to one with ratcheting cam cleats. The traveler on the 99 seems to work better than that on the 115 as well. Much else is the same on the two models The interiors of both the 99 and 115 are quite nice but the aft cabin in the 99 is a bit more cramped although my wife and I have slept quite comfortably in the aft cabin on a 99 more than once. If going offshore the 115 is a far bigger boat than the 99 but I cannot speak for the 110 or 121. For rigging the loads and simplicity of the 99 are very nice. Many of the adjustments such as backstay are not hydraulic and are well geared and easily adjusted. By comparison the loads on the 115 are higher making it difficult to adjust outhaul, halyard etc while hard on the wind. If you want a 99 for racing the boat named Rabbit is for sale. It is hull #1, has the original 6'6 keel, carbon rig, bow sprit, carbon wheel and custom Spartan interior. This would be the fastest CC99 in existence and there is a huge difference in performance between the 6.5 ft keel and the 5.5 version. Note that if you are concerned about going places because of a deep draft then forget the 115 which I believe is 7 ft and go for the 5.5 ft 99. Both of the newer CCs that I have regularly sailed on and raced on are very nice designs and very nice sailing boats. CC IMO really dropped the ball when they changed to only the shallower keel on the 99 as it has affected the performance noticeably but is still a very well performing boat even with the 5.5 ft keel. The shallower keel has the weight a bit aft on the 99 compared to the 6.5 ft keel making it very important to get weight forward for optimum trim. A Carbon rig 6.5 ft keel version here in Halifax is very fast and an Olson 30 that has raced against both variants of the 99 commented how much faster the deeper keel one was. You are not going to do wrong with either the 99 or the 115 but if short handed sailing a lot the smaller 99 is easier to handle. IMO CC made 4 very lovely models in these boats. Good luck with your search Oh - and the cut out transoms on all models are something I am very envious about. Swimming off the 99 is very convenient compared to climbing up the transom and over the pushpit on our Frers 33 Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___
Re: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back!
May your new beta diesel live a long and prosperous life. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Stu, Great idea. I know David Risch is loaded, so I’m sure he’d pay top dollar. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd You should consider charging admission to view the new power plant when you are at the Rendezvous. Might be able to recoup some of your costs. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back!
Hi Starship 1 to beam up from Lake Huron Don Life V34 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Thanks for the replies
In response to my questions about later models C Cs. We’re not planning any racing, but as an ex-racer I’d rather have something that’s faster and handles better. Draft is a consideration, but we’re o.k. with anything up to 6.5' We’ve looked at a lot of Js in the same size range as well. Originally lookes at Sabres which were certainly well built but much slower based on PHRF data. In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that Mother Nature always bats last. Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Thanks for the replies
You will love any of the later CCs. They all sail very well Have fun looking. Looking is the best part! Spending is the worst Mike Halifax -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:31 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Thanks for the replies In response to my questions about later models C Cs. We’re not planning any racing, but as an ex-racer I’d rather have something that’s faster and handles better. Draft is a consideration, but we’re o.k. with anything up to 6.5' We’ve looked at a lot of Js in the same size range as well. Originally lookes at Sabres which were certainly well built but much slower based on PHRF data. In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that Mother Nature always bats last. Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please
Thanks Ken For sale but not sold. As a matter of fact racing on it in 2 hours …. If Koobalibra sells then my racing gets a lot more expensive as we have to use my boat! Mike Persistence 1987 Frers 33 Halifax, NS From: Ken Heaton [mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 3:52 PM To: cnc-list Cc: Hoyt, Mike Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please Mike neglected to mention the 115 he races on out of Halifax, NS is also for sale (but it is a long way from Florida). Ken H. On 29 July 2015 at 13:22, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I will echo what John has asked. What are you planning to do with the boat? I have raced weekly on a CC115 for the past 6 years and have sailed quite a bit and raced some on and against a 99 as well. Of the four models I believe these are the most commonly raced The CC 115 sails extremely well to wind but likes to have a good sized crew to run it. We like to have 11 bodies on board when we race to give adequate weight on rail and to get all the jobs done. Both the 115 and 99 have oversized spinnaker and pole but the 115 requires dip pole gybes since it has a mast end and a guy end on the pole. This requires a mast person as well as a foredeck person for gybes. The 99 can do end for end or dip pole so requires one less body. Last year in a race week 7 was an adequate crew size on a 99. The rig on the 115 is quite large. The main sheet is led to a winch on either coaming and is more work to run than that on the 99 which is I believe 6 or 8 to one with ratcheting cam cleats. The traveler on the 99 seems to work better than that on the 115 as well. Much else is the same on the two models The interiors of both the 99 and 115 are quite nice but the aft cabin in the 99 is a bit more cramped although my wife and I have slept quite comfortably in the aft cabin on a 99 more than once. If going offshore the 115 is a far bigger boat than the 99 but I cannot speak for the 110 or 121. For rigging the loads and simplicity of the 99 are very nice. Many of the adjustments such as backstay are not hydraulic and are well geared and easily adjusted. By comparison the loads on the 115 are higher making it difficult to adjust outhaul, halyard etc while hard on the wind. If you want a 99 for racing the boat named Rabbit is for sale. It is hull #1, has the original 6'6 keel, carbon rig, bow sprit, carbon wheel and custom Spartan interior. This would be the fastest CC99 in existence and there is a huge difference in performance between the 6.5 ft keel and the 5.5 version. Note that if you are concerned about going places because of a deep draft then forget the 115 which I believe is 7 ft and go for the 5.5 ft 99. Both of the newer CCs that I have regularly sailed on and raced on are very nice designs and very nice sailing boats. CC IMO really dropped the ball when they changed to only the shallower keel on the 99 as it has affected the performance noticeably but is still a very well performing boat even with the 5.5 ft keel. The shallower keel has the weight a bit aft on the 99 compared to the 6.5 ft keel making it very important to get weight forward for optimum trim. A Carbon rig 6.5 ft keel version here in Halifax is very fast and an Olson 30 that has raced against both variants of the 99 commented how much faster the deeper keel one was. You are not going to do wrong with either the 99 or the 115 but if short handed sailing a lot the smaller 99 is easier to handle. IMO CC made 4 very lovely models in these boats. Good luck with your search Oh - and the cut out transoms on all models are something I am very envious about. Swimming off the 99 is very convenient compared to climbing up the transom and over the pushpit on our Frers 33 Mike -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 12:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.commailto:bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291tel:813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:
Re: Stus-List Upgrades!
OK, sooo, that means Fred makes house callsHey Fred, what's your calendar look like for next few weeks Just kidding, congrats on the upgrades, I did the autopilot and chart plotter last year, and could not have done any of it without Fred's assistancewe even sent him photos form the phone while installing when we hit a snag Richard CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Spencer Johnson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CnC-List CnC-List@cnc-list.com Cc: ssjohnson ssjohn...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Jul 29, 2015 3:17 pm Subject: Stus-List Upgrades! Landfall 38 update...bigtime! Alegria came to me (formerly Lanakai, Fugawi out of Grand Traverse Bay, MI) in 2006 with older but working systems...SH VHF, ST4000 Auto, Furuno 16xx Radar, Garmin GPS, Alpine Stereo. It hadn't been used in a couple of years and had been kept inside. The Prior Owners had done a quality job in taking care of her. I had previously upgraded the Autopilot to the XPS-5 SmartPilot and was using a Garmin 478 for GPS and Charts. Upgrades this year: Replaced wet core under Pedestal and Rudder post. Replaced Pedestal with Edson Vision Series...so I could have... Raymarine a97 9 display w/remote at the helm and Standard Horizion Matrix 2200 VHF with AIS and Remote MIC Raymarine Color Hi Def Radar Raymarine Fishfinder transducer (B60) in bow Raymarine Masthead instruments and Fusion AV750 stereo with Sirius/XM This was a BIG project for me...and I could not have completed it without Fred Street's very capable assistance. When I was overwhelmed, he just took over. He plugged it in and everything worked! It was magicical. I highly recommend his services. Pics available upon request. Just in case anybody is interested...I do have a bunch of leftover parts that I would be very pleased to part with for a modest contribution to offset this year's expenses. Feel free to contact me off line if you are interested... I appreciate this list lotsI may not contribute much but read it daily. Thanks again to Stu who deserves all of our support! Now I just want to sail her. Spencer Johnson 1984 Landfall 38 # 165 ALEGRIA Summers in Racine, WI Home in Mount Prospect, IL ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back!
Varrrooo!! David F. Risch (401) 419-4650 (cell) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:59:37 -0400 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back! From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CC: stevanpla...@gmail.com May your new beta diesel live a long and prosperous life. SteveSuhana, CC 32Toronto On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Stu, Great idea. I know David Risch is loaded, so I’m sure he’d pay top dollar. All the best, Edd Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseCC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:14 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Edd You should consider charging admission to view the new power plant when you are at the Rendezvous. Might be able to recoup some of your costs. Stu ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back!
If that is Edd's new Beta Warp Engine he must have had to warp space just to get it to fit into a 37+. The're a roomy boat, but wow... Ken H. On 29 July 2015 at 15:16, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Schematic for the new engine. Jerry JJ CC 27V [image: http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/ambassador-class-starship-ncc-1701-c/ambassador-class-starship-ncc-1701-c-sheet-12.jpg] ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Upgrades!
Landfall 38 update...bigtime! Alegria came to me (formerly Lanakai, Fugawi out of Grand Traverse Bay, MI) in 2006 with older but working systems...SH VHF, ST4000 Auto, Furuno 16xx Radar, Garmin GPS, Alpine Stereo. It hadn't been used in a couple of years and had been kept inside. The Prior Owners had done a quality job in taking care of her. I had previously upgraded the Autopilot to the XPS-5 SmartPilot and was using a Garmin 478 for GPS and Charts. Upgrades this year: Replaced wet core under Pedestal and Rudder post. Replaced Pedestal with Edson Vision Series...so I could have... Raymarine a97 9 display w/remote at the helm and Standard Horizion Matrix 2200 VHF with AIS and Remote MIC Raymarine Color Hi Def Radar Raymarine Fishfinder transducer (B60) in bow Raymarine Masthead instruments and Fusion AV750 stereo with Sirius/XM This was a BIG project for me...and I could not have completed it without Fred Street's very capable assistance. When I was overwhelmed, he just took over. He plugged it in and everything worked! It was magicical. I highly recommend his services. Pics available upon request. Just in case anybody is interested...I do have a bunch of leftover parts that I would be very pleased to part with for a modest contribution to offset this year's expenses. Feel free to contact me off line if you are interested... I appreciate this list lotsI may not contribute much but read it daily. Thanks again to Stu who deserves all of our support! Now I just want to sail her. Spencer Johnson 1984 Landfall 38 # 165 ALEGRIA Summers in Racine, WI Home in Mount Prospect, IL ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back!
Live long and prosper! - Original Message - From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List To: CC List Cc: Edd Schillay Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:06 Subject: Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back! Listers, I’m happy to report that after the extensive repowering job replacing my dead Universal M-35 with a Beta Marine 30, the Starship Enterprise was launched this morning with the tide. We start racing again tonight. The order is given: Warp Speed! All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Repower
Edd, congrats on the new power plant. Enjoy. Doug MountjoysvPegasusLF38 just west of Ballard, WA. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please
Bradford, I've raced on a CC 99 (hull #6). While the boat can sail to its rating, I found the experience far less satisfying that sailing on my own 35-III. The steering throw is very short and rubbery feeling. Getting feedback through the wheel was very difficult if not impossible. The mainsheet setup and traveler in the cockpit makes racing difficult. The cockpit is full of people trying to work in close proximity. Not ideal for racing, but maybe not an issue for cruising. Hull #6 has had issues with cracks it the forward section of the hull, as well as a chainplate that pulled out of the deck. CC stepped in and made repairs, but I somehow think the early hulls were built to sail fast and not necessarily to last a long time. I've been on the 110 and much prefer the layout. Can't say much about the sailing performance, but the layout is much better. Jake Jake Brodersen “Midnight Mistress” CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:39 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Landfall Upgrades
It is nice to hear about LF38 update of others. Congratulations. I am glad to hear of someone using a SPX-5 autopilot on a Landfall 38.I installed a SPX-5 on a CC 29-1 and after 2.5 years it started having problems. I removed it, send to Raymarine for out of warrantee repair, then sold my CC 29. Raymarine replaced components in the course computer and upgraded the firmware at no charge. Kudos to them for great service! At the time I was deciding between a BG or Raymarine chart plotter for the Landfall 38. I happily purchased a Raymarine e7D, Raymarine fish finder depth transducer, and a Raymarine combination speed/temp/log transducer.I installed the SPX-5 wheel autopilot on the Landfall 38 and I feel it works just as well as it did on the 29 (maybe even better since the 29 was so tender). Installing a Raymarine Radar is a future plan. - Paul Eugenio 1981 CC 38 Landfall S/V Johanna Rose svJohannaRose.blogspot.com Carrabelle, FL On Jul 29, 2015, at 6:28 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 15:16:52 -0400 From: ssjohn...@aol.com mailto:ssjohn...@aol.com To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Upgrades! Message-ID: 14edb3ef424-44c-1d...@webprd-a27.mail.aol.com mailto:14edb3ef424-44c-1d...@webprd-a27.mail.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Landfall 38 update...bigtime! Alegria came to me (formerly Lanakai, Fugawi out of Grand Traverse Bay, MI) in 2006 with older but working systems...SH VHF, ST4000 Auto, Furuno 16xx Radar, Garmin GPS, Alpine Stereo. It hadn't been used in a couple of years and had been kept inside. The Prior Owners had done a quality job in taking care of her. I had previously upgraded the Autopilot to the XPS-5 SmartPilot and was using a Garmin 478 for GPS and Charts. Upgrades this year: Replaced wet core under Pedestal and Rudder post. Replaced Pedestal with Edson Vision Series...so I could have... Raymarine a97 9 display w/remote at the helm and Standard Horizion Matrix 2200 VHF with AIS and Remote MIC Raymarine Color Hi Def Radar Raymarine Fishfinder transducer (B60) in bow Raymarine Masthead instruments and Fusion AV750 stereo with Sirius/XM This was a BIG project for me...and I could not have completed it without Fred Street's very capable assistance. When I was overwhelmed, he just took over. He plugged it in and everything worked! It was magicical. I highly recommend his services. Pics available upon request. Just in case anybody is interested...I do have a bunch of leftover parts that I would be very pleased to part with for a modest contribution to offset this year's expenses. Feel free to contact me off line if you are interested... I appreciate this list lotsI may not contribute much but read it daily. Thanks again to Stu who deserves all of our support! Now I just want to sail her. Spencer Johnson 1984 Landfall 38 # 165 ALEGRIA Summers in Racine, WI Home in Mount Prospect, IL -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150729/927ceedd/attachment-0001.html http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20150729/927ceedd/attachment-0001.html -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please
Jake Where is the traveller in 35-3? Our family 36 (1981) had it on coachroof (horrible) our frersc33 and cc33-2 have on bridgedeck (marginally better). Koobalibra cc115 and prospector cc99 have immediately in front of pedestal where it should be. Mike From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Jake Brodersen via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: July 29, 2015 9:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jake Brodersen Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please Bradford, I've raced on a CC 99 (hull #6). While the boat can sail to its rating, I found the experience far less satisfying that sailing on my own 35-III. The steering throw is very short and rubbery feeling. Getting feedback through the wheel was very difficult if not impossible. The mainsheet setup and traveler in the cockpit makes racing difficult. The cockpit is full of people trying to work in close proximity. Not ideal for racing, but maybe not an issue for cruising. Hull #6 has had issues with cracks it the forward section of the hull, as well as a chainplate that pulled out of the deck. CC stepped in and made repairs, but I somehow think the early hulls were built to sail fast and not necessarily to last a long time. I've been on the 110 and much prefer the layout. Can't say much about the sailing performance, but the layout is much better. Jake Jake Brodersen “Midnight Mistress” CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bradford Baker via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:39 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Bradford Baker Subject: Stus-List Looking for feedback please My wife and I are considering a C C 99, 110, 115 and 121. Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with us? In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.” Bradford W. Baker bradba...@mac.com 8308 Old Town Drive Tampa, FL 33647 813-528-3291 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Starter
It's fixed. It was either the press-fit connector ( it was pretty corroded / fell apart when I disconnected it) , the push button switch, or both. I installed the new switch, cleaned all surrounding connections, substituted the connector with a proper shrink wrap crimp connector, and all is well. Starts with a light press every time. Weather or not the switch needed to be replaced that was 30 bucks well spent / now all is fresh and should stay trouble free for a good long while. Plus we came in 2nd in the race. A pretty good evening altogether. Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Ga ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List 29 Again
Happy birthday Mr. Risch! Harry Sent from my iPad___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays
Dwight Yes it does. It seems when cc started trying to make even more performance oriented designs later 80s the check stays came out. The 90sboats more so. Then the tim jacket boats had swept back spreaders and checks went away again. I miss my swept back spreaders. I also really miss fractional rig (when I buy headsails especially) Mike From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of dwight veinot via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: July 28, 2015 5:10 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: dwight veinot Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays Mike...most older CC's and especially those designed by Cuthbertson don't have swepth back spreaders or running backstays and some with over 50 feet of stick are single spreader...makes life with the rig very easy Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.netmailto:d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I think these may be check stays rather than running backs. Running back stays mostly on fractional rigs and are for downwind sailing as well as trim upwind. Persistence has check stays. We were concerned as you are when we were looking at boat. Other posters are correct. These are for lumpy seas over 15 knots to stop mast from pumping. When light we disconnect and attach to turnbuckles at shrouds. I have a snap shackle to reconnect to blocks on transom when wind comes up. We also changed the lines in the blocks to smaller diameter 60 Ft a side so that when using checks we let the line out downwind rather than disconnecting. These are not the pita we thought they would be but do add one extra thing to do when in use. If all boats were swept back spreaders like cc99 and 115 we would not have this discussion. Mike Persistence 1987 Frees 33 From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of scott gary via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: July 28, 2015 12:21 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: scott gary Subject: Stus-List Running Back Stays Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays
Racing CC 40s back when they were new, in the late 70s/early 80s, we used running backstays. They were used to do two things; stop the mast overbending when you had a lot of permanent backstay on and to stop the mast pumping when beating into a lumpy sea. These days, another use for running backstays on many cruiser/racers (like Swans) is to tension an inner forestay on which a staysail is set. As an aside, what we always refer to as check stays is a second set of runners attached lower on the mast, usually on race boats with less...robust...rigs than ours. These again are mostly used to adjust the bend in the mast as the permanent backstay is tightened. The runners and checks control the shape of the main; it's not uncommon to invert the main if you don't have enough tension on the runners and checks when you max out the permanent. Andy CC 40 Peregrine Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Jul 29, 2015, at 05:55, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Dwight Yes it does. It seems when cc started trying to make even more performance oriented designs later 80s the check stays came out. The 90sboats more so. Then the tim jacket boats had swept back spreaders and checks went away again. I miss my swept back spreaders. I also really miss fractional rig (when I buy headsails especially) Mike From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of dwight veinot via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: July 28, 2015 5:10 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: dwight veinot Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays Mike...most older CC's and especially those designed by Cuthbertson don't have swepth back spreaders or running backstays and some with over 50 feet of stick are single spreader...makes life with the rig very easy Dwight Veinot CC 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS d.ve...@bellaliant.netmailto:d.ve...@bellaliant.net On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I think these may be check stays rather than running backs. Running back stays mostly on fractional rigs and are for downwind sailing as well as trim upwind. Persistence has check stays. We were concerned as you are when we were looking at boat. Other posters are correct. These are for lumpy seas over 15 knots to stop mast from pumping. When light we disconnect and attach to turnbuckles at shrouds. I have a snap shackle to reconnect to blocks on transom when wind comes up. We also changed the lines in the blocks to smaller diameter 60 Ft a side so that when using checks we let the line out downwind rather than disconnecting. These are not the pita we thought they would be but do add one extra thing to do when in use. If all boats were swept back spreaders like cc99 and 115 we would not have this discussion. Mike Persistence 1987 Frees 33 From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of scott gary via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] Sent: July 28, 2015 12:21 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: scott gary Subject: Stus-List Running Back Stays Hi All, Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together. Thanks, Scott CC 35/3 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List changing paint
Fred: You are correct.soda blasting is messy because of the white baking soda used. Dry ice blasting is like going through a car wash.only the residue from the bottom paint falls to the ground.dry ice blasting uses frozen carbon dioxide..the pelts turn to a 'gas' when it hits a substrate surface. Had my boat dry ice blasted in 2006.took 20 years of the paint off in less than 5 hours.what fell on the ground looked like 'ground pepper'.used a shop vacuum and had the mess cleaned up in 20 minutes. Don't know why this process isn't used more. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-07-27 11:03 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: Two different things: soda blasting uses something like baking soda, and dry ice blasting uses chips of frozen carbon dioxide. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jul 27, 2015, at 8:54 PM, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I think soda blasting is dry ice blasting. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?
I paid $4400 for my CC 27 on eBay in 2011. It had a couple of soft roof spots and the toe rails, handrails and genoa tracks all leak(ed) but I didn’t know it at the time. It’s still a great boat. Down here in Flyover Country, fancy things sometimes sell cheap when the seller is in a hurry. As our economies circle the drain, there will be more such separation of the hobbyists from the hard-core sailors. Steve Staten Langley, Oklahoma “C’ Est La Vie” From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate Flesness via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:08 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Nate Flesness Subject: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAILBOAT-C-amp-C-LANDFALL-38-039-/131565358722?_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276 it says soft deck spot, but if thats all, yikes... Nate ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?
It's pretty sad when you can buy a 38-foot CC for less money than we pay for a slip rental for one year! On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Steve Staten via CnC-List wrote: I paid $4400 for my CC 27 on eBay in 2011. It had a couple of soft roof spots and the toe rails, handrails and genoa tracks all leak(ed) but I didn’t know it at the time. It’s still a great boat. Down here in Flyover Country, fancy things sometimes sell cheap when the seller is in a hurry. As our economies circle the drain, there will be more such separation of the hobbyists from the hard-core sailors. Steve Staten Langley, Oklahoma “C’ Est La Vie” From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nate Flesness via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:08 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Nate Flesness Subject: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k? http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAILBOAT-C-amp-C-LANDFALL-38-039-/131565358722?_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276 it says soft deck spot, but if thats all, yikes... Nate ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230) email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List The Starship Enterprise is Back!
Listers, I’m happy to report that after the extensive repowering job replacing my dead Universal M-35 with a Beta Marine 30, the Starship Enterprise was launched this morning with the tide. We start racing again tonight. The order is given: Warp Speed! All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B City Island, NY Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAILBOAT-C-amp-C-LANDFALL-38-039-/131565358722?_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276 it says soft deck spot, but if thats all, yikes... Nate ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List changing paint
The paint that is removed is still a big waste product. I recently had my bottom soda blasted and the guy came in and laid out big plastic sheets under the boat to collect everything. Afterward, he just folded up the plastic sheets and disposed of everything. Don't forget to plug all the thru holes with rags! Bob On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:08 AM, robert via CnC-List wrote: Fred: You are correct.soda blasting is messy because of the white baking soda used. Dry ice blasting is like going through a car wash.only the residue from the bottom paint falls to the ground.dry ice blasting uses frozen carbon dioxide..the pelts turn to a 'gas' when it hits a substrate surface. Had my boat dry ice blasted in 2006.took 20 years of the paint off in less than 5 hours.what fell on the ground looked like 'ground pepper'.used a shop vacuum and had the mess cleaned up in 20 minutes. Don't know why this process isn't used more. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-07-27 11:03 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: Two different things: soda blasting uses something like baking soda, and dry ice blasting uses chips of frozen carbon dioxide. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Jul 27, 2015, at 8:54 PM, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I think soda blasting is dry ice blasting. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days (1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230) email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
