Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

I alluded to this back at the beginning of the discussion, before it spiraled 
into a "your boat can't go that fast" one.  In very light, or heavy air, you 
give up nothing with a 110-115% genoa over something bigger, plus it's easier 
to tack, easier to trim, points better and easier to see past and if it really 
kicks up, partially reefs better.  There is really no good reason that I can 
find for running a bigger genoa unless you are racing with a full crew in 
light-medium air (8-20kts).  My 2c, Canadian, rounded to the nearest cent, then 
adjusted for the loss of the penny coin :)
Cheers,
Paul.


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 22:33:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: dziedzi...@hotmail.com

Actually, there is a school of thought that a 110% would work better in very 
light air (then a 155% or even a 135%). This is attributed to the fact that in 
order to generate lift, the airflow over the sail has to be laminar and if the 
sail is too long, the wind may not have enough energy to stay attached to the 
sail for such a long distance. There was recently a long discussion on that 
topic at Sailboat Owners (Don Gillette’s forum). Even some prizes were awarded. 
Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John 
Pennie via CnC-List
Sent: August-25-15 20:00
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Pennie
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! Oh come on, if you don't 
exaggerate a bit you're just not a sailor. On the 110%, I've gone with a 120 
for years when cruising.  It's just easier on everyone with little loss of 
speed vs. the 135 in lighter air. Whatever we loose in speed we make up for in 
quick tacking.  We're in NY harbor (Battery) so short tacks and chop are the 
norm as is wind in the 15 range. Even racing we're not shy about using the 120 
in the cruising or double handed divisions.  Smaller and well trimmed trumps 
bigger and sloppy. Yes, people here have strong opinions and are a pita at 
times - until you need those strong opinions from a knowledgeable group. Good 
luck John

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On Aug 25, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List  
wrote:‎A few things :My genoa is an almost new laminate sail; The main is only 
5 short seasons old; I've got a folding propeller ; my bottom is smooth like a 
babies - I take it out every winter!‎; I’m measuring speed with a Speed Puck 
(GPS) The 8kn readings were brief and fleeting (not more than the 10secs to 
register in the instrument. The 7kn readings did register though, but they were 
not sustained - like the 6+kn readings were. During this whole time I was 
beating, which is why I pondered on the possibility of sustaining 7 or 8 on a 
beam reach. I fairly regularly exceed theoretical hull speed - If you're not, 
you're not trying ! The 26 is not known to be a fast boat. I've done a lot to 
get her faster. There are a lot of faster C&C's on the water which is why the 
26's aren't raced.And yes the 27 is faster! Sorry I pissed so many people off - 
I'll keep quiet in future!  sam :-)From: dwight veinot via CnC-ListSent: 
Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:44 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: dwight veinotSubject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan 
Thoughts! sorry Russ, I thought he said a beam reach must have missed the part 
about puffs, still that's very fast for a 26 but if he can do it course be 
damned as you say, then good for himDwight VeinotC&C 35 MKII, AliannaHead of 
St. Margaret's Bay, nsd.ve...@bellaliant.net  On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM, 
Russ & Melody via CnC-List  wrote:Hi Dwight,

Please reread Sam's message before getting out the pitchforks. He said 7 or 8, 
in the puffs. I would not characterize puffs as "regular"... 

On a prairie lake I think his experience is quite achievable in hot summer 
conditions when all you want to do is sail fast, course be damned.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet mk-1



At 10:05 AM 25/08/2015, you wrote:

what do you mean by 7kn to 8kn regularly? 

If you mean 7 knots or 8 knots through the water or over the ground with a C&C 
26 I would say you should be a race winner every time on corrected time; that 
is really fast for a C&C 26 even on a beam reach and I got a feeling you would 
probably leave my 35 MKII struggling to stay close behind...before everyone 
runs out to get a C&C 26 are you sure about those numbers; I have only ever 
seen a couple of C&C 26's around here...I don't remember them being quite that 
slippery, in fact my C&C 27 MKIII always seemed to be much faster on all points 
of sail

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so 
thought I’d share my thoughts on optimizing my sail plan.Jump in anyone, 
I’m open to any thoughts! Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I 
love t

Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Actually, there is a school of thought that a 110% would work better in very 
light air (then a 155% or even a 135%). This is attributed to the fact that in 
order to generate lift, the airflow over the sail has to be laminar and if the 
sail is too long, the wind may not have enough energy to stay attached to the 
sail for such a long distance.

 

There was recently a long discussion on that topic at Sailboat Owners (Don 
Gillette’s forum). Even some prizes were awarded.

 

Marek

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Pennie 
via CnC-List
Sent: August-25-15 20:00
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Pennie
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

 

Oh come on, if you don't exaggerate a bit you're just not a sailor.

 

On the 110%, I've gone with a 120 for years when cruising.  It's just easier on 
everyone with little loss of speed vs. the 135 in lighter air. Whatever we 
loose in speed we make up for in quick tacking.  We're in NY harbor (Battery) 
so short tacks and chop are the norm as is wind in the 15 range. Even racing 
we're not shy about using the 120 in the cruising or double handed divisions.  
Smaller and well trimmed trumps bigger and sloppy.

 

Yes, people here have strong opinions and are a pita at times - until you need 
those strong opinions from a knowledgeable group.

 

Good luck

 

John



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On Aug 25, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List  
wrote:

‎A few things :

My genoa is an almost new laminate sail; The main is only 5 short seasons old; 
I've got a folding propeller ; my bottom is smooth like a babies - I take it 
out every winter!‎; I’m measuring speed with a Speed Puck (GPS)

 

The 8kn readings were brief and fleeting (not more than the 10secs to register 
in the instrument. The 7kn readings did register though, but they were not 
sustained - like the 6+kn readings were. During this whole time I was beating, 
which is why I pondered on the possibility of sustaining 7 or 8 on a beam reach.

 

I fairly regularly exceed theoretical hull speed - If you're not, you're not 
trying ! The 26 is not known to be a fast boat. I've done a lot to get her 
faster. There are a lot of faster C&C's on the water which is why the 26's 
aren't raced.

And yes the 27 is faster!

 

Sorry I pissed so many people off - I'll keep quiet in future! 

 

sam :-)


From: dwight veinot via CnC-List

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:44 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: dwight veinot

Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

 

sorry Russ, I thought he said a beam reach must have missed the part about 
puffs, still that's very fast for a 26 but if he can do it course be damned as 
you say, then good for him




Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

d.ve...@bellaliant.net

 

 

On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Dwight,

Please reread Sam's message before getting out the pitchforks. He said 7 or 8, 
in the puffs. I would not characterize puffs as "regular"... 

On a prairie lake I think his experience is quite achievable in hot summer 
conditions when all you want to do is sail fast, course be damned.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet mk-1



At 10:05 AM 25/08/2015, you wrote:



what do you mean by 7kn to 8kn regularly? 

If you mean 7 knots or 8 knots through the water or over the ground with a C&C 
26 I would say you should be a race winner every time on corrected time; that 
is really fast for a C&C 26 even on a beam reach and I got a feeling you would 
probably leave my 35 MKII struggling to stay close behind...before everyone 
runs out to get a C&C 26 are you sure about those numbers; I have only ever 
seen a couple of C&C 26's around here...I don't remember them being quite that 
slippery, in fact my C&C 27 MKIII always seemed to be much faster on all points 
of sail

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts on 
optimizing my sail plan.

Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!

 

Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought we’d 
play around with the saill plan.

Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I ssee the occasional 
whitecap it’s around 10kn)

 

I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons). A 
Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in 
Vancouver (5 seasons).

 

I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken traveller; 
Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster)

 

The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating to 
windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel a bit. 
(speed measured with a Speed Puck)

Furled th

Stus-List Now lighting configurations...

[robert via CnC-List]

Jerome:
Thank you for bringing reason, logic and the COLREGS Rules to this 
discussion...again, thank you.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-08-24 5:12 PM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List wrote:
Strobes are illegal technically even in emergencies. See the COLREGS 
(Rules 20, 21, & 36- Rule 36 Signals to Attract Attention If necessary 
to attract the attention of another vessel, any vessel may make light 
or sound signals that cannot be mistaken for any signal authorized 
elsewhere in these Rules, or may direct the beam of her searchlight in 
the direction of the danger, in such a way as not to embarrass any 
vessel. Any light to attract the attention of another vessel shall be 
such that it cannot be mistaken for any aid to navigation. For the 
purpose of this Rule the use of high intensity intermittent or 
revolving lights, such as strobe lights, shall be avoided.


Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 24, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


My original masthead light WAS a strobe.  No solid, no nothing. 
Screwed up my VHF reception.  Not sure why those were ever used . . .


Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie PA.

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*David Donnelly via CnC-List

*Sent:* Monday, August 24, 2015 3:34 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* David Donnelly
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List ...Now lighting configurations...

My anchor light I installed last year has a strobe setting. You 
control it with on / off sequence of the switch..


David Donnelly

C&C 26 Mistress




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Re: Stus-List Survey IQuestion

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Well, if it is only $200 that's not so bad.  I was thinking it would be much 
more.

Thanks Josh!

Danny
-- Original Message --
From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
To: "C&C List" 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Survey Question
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 21:00:34 -0500

Yep that's normal.  The price is haul block and wash.  Short 
hauls usually relaunch the same day no storage fees.  ~$200. 
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD 
On Aug 25, 2015 9:39 PM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List"  
wrote:Hi Guys, Okay so I've got a survey with haulout scheduled for this 
coming Saturday.  during my conversation with the surveryor, he brought to 
light an interesting point.  I had asked if he would be doing the sea trial 
before or after haul out and he said that it would be better to do it after 
because if the bottom were fouled, we wouldn't bet a good sea trial.  He 
said if haul first and it is then we could get it cleaned, and I asked "so, we 
could clean it?"  he said well you should talk to the broker.  So I did and he 
said it common practice for the boat to be powerwashed on a haul out.  I asked 
who would pay for that?  He said I would be responsible for that.  I said so, 
if this thing fails inspection, I'll paying for the owners powerwashing?  
He said that it was common... I'm thinking what $4 a foot to wash it, then 
haul it...  I knew I had to pay for a haulout, but ...  is that really common 
to be on the hook for a power washing?  I mean it is what it is I've just 
never seen this conversation come up before... Danny
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Re: Stus-List Survey Question

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Yep that's normal.  The price is haul block and wash.  Short hauls usually
relaunch the same day no storage fees.  ~$200.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Aug 25, 2015 9:39 PM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> Okay so I've got a survey with haulout scheduled for this coming Saturday.
>  during my conversation with the surveryor, he brought to light an
> interesting point.  I had asked if he would be doing the sea trial before
> or after haul out and he said that it would be better to do it after
> because if the bottom were fouled, we wouldn't bet a good sea trial.  He
> said if haul first and it is then we could get it cleaned, and I asked "so,
> we could clean it?"  he said well you should talk to the broker.  So I did
> and he said it common practice for the boat to be powerwashed on a haul
> out.  I asked who would pay for that?  He said I would be responsible for
> that.  I said so, if this thing fails inspection, I'll paying for the
> owners powerwashing?  He said that it was common...
>
> I'm thinking what $4 a foot to wash it, then haul it...  I knew I had to
> pay for a haulout, but ...  is that really common to be on the hook for a
> power washing?  I mean it is what it is I've just never seen this
> conversation come up before...
>
> Danny
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Joel, 
I'm very impressed. You met Nat Herreshoff? Maybe L. Francis, or Halsey? 


- Original Message -

From: "Joel Aronson via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Joel Aronson"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 12:39:44 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! 

Nat Herreshoff spoke at my YC when I was a kid. He said he did not believe in 
hull speed as a limit. More sail or more wind equals more speed. 
I was doing more than hull speed (7.3) while cruising on a reach last weekend 
and have done over 8 knots in flat water with the chute. 

Joel 
35/3 
Annapolis 


On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 



‎It's theoretical - in real life you can push it a bit! 

sam :-) 
From: Indigo via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:24 AM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Indigo 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! 

According to the formula 1.34 x square root of lwl the theoretical max speed of 
my 35mkIII with an lwl of 28ft is 7.06 knots. I'd love to know how to get it 
going at higher speeds without surfing down the back of a wave!! 

-- 
Jonathan 
Indigo C&C 35III 
SOUTHPORT CT 

On Aug 25, 2015, at 08:55, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 




8 knots in a C&C 26 with no current on a reach with white sails in 12 knots of 
wind? Sounds more like a 30 one design. Jerry. C&C 27 V J&J. 

Sent from my iPhone 

On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:15 AM, David Donnelly via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 




I will preface this by saying I consider myself a beginner hack sailor. 

I have often thought about trading my 135 for a 110. The 26 is tender for sure 
and I get plenty of grief from my bride whenever we go past 20 degrees. I often 
furl or reef the main when she is on board, and although performance increases 
the more upright we get, pointing is severely reduced. My favorite sailplan for 
over 12 kts is reefed main and full genoa. I do think my boat feels right at 20 
to 25 degrees hard on the wind. I have found a bubble in the main to be faster 
when the wind picks up. Again, a hack playing and watching the speed. 

I have a harken traveler and I do have a split and adjustable backstay. 

I have never acheived the speeds you get. I saw over 7.3 kts once on the 
display while reaching but as I keep a Navionics log on my tablet as well it 
showed only 6.9 per the gps so I count that as my max speed. 

When I get new sails I am getting a 110 and perhaps 2 reefs in my main instead 
of the one I currently have. I think we're on the same page. 

David Donnelly 
C&C 26 Mistress 

Sent from my Samsung device 


 Original message  
From: Sam Salter via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
Date: 08-24-2015 8:34 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Sam Salter < sam.c.sal...@gmail.com > 
Subject: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! 



I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts on 
optimizing my sail plan. 

Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts! 



Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought we’d 
play around with the sail plan. 

Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I see the occasional 
whitecap it’s around 10kn) 



I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons). A 
Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in 
Vancouver (5 seasons). 



I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken traveller; 
Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster) 



The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating to 
windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel a bit. 
(speed measured with a Speed Puck) 

Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the spreaders 
so no interference. 

Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up to 
7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hull speed is 6.2kn) No bubble in the luff 
of the main. 

Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard tack was 
better than port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or 8kn regularly. 



So here’s my thoughts: 

I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s not practical 
(...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%. 

Eventually a new laminate main will be needed too! 

I’m well pleased with 6+kns at 10kn of wind and 16deg angle of heel. Very 
little weather helm 

I’ve not tried it yet with the genoa at 110% in light wind. In heavy air the 
main can still be reefed (...as could the 110%). 



OK guys, am I missing something? 

(I’m not looking for advice on where to buy used sails!) 



sam :-) 

C&C 26 Liquorice 

Ghost Lake Alberta 







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Stus-List Survey Question

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Guys, Okay so I've got a survey with haulout scheduled for this coming 
Saturday.  during my conversation with the surveryor, he brought to light an 
interesting point.  I had asked if he would be doing the sea trial before or 
after haul out and he said that it would be better to do it after because if 
the bottom were fouled, we wouldn't bet a good sea trial.  He said if haul 
first and it is then we could get it cleaned, and I asked "so, we could clean 
it?"  he said well you should talk to the broker.  So I did and he said it 
common practice for the boat to be powerwashed on a haul out.  I asked who 
would pay for that?  He said I would be responsible for that.  I said so, if 
this thing fails inspection, I'll paying for the owners powerwashing?  He said 
that it was common... I'm thinking what $4 a foot to wash it, then haul it...  
I knew I had to pay for a haulout, but ...  is that really common to be on the 
hook for a power washing?  I mean it is what it is I've just never seen this 
conversation come up before... Danny___

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Re: Stus-List Stus List - 1983 38 Landfall on Ebay

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

It also has the u-shaped galley and it looks like it has the shower that's 
separate from the head.  Nice layout!

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

"There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame

> On Aug 25, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting to note that there are no photos of the head; isn’t that where 
> the stanchion was poked through the deck?  I also notice that the face of the 
> storage above the settees in the saloon is the usual light laminate trimmed 
> with teak on the port side; to starboard, it’s teak veneer.  And the exterior 
> photo of the starboard quarter may show some signs of the repair to the 
> toerail area, although it’s hard to tell.  In fact, it looks like the whole 
> teak toerail has been painted white!
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2015, at 7:04 PM, Rick Taillieu via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It's Back !!
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/EXCELLENT-C-C-WORLD-CRUISER-Ready-To-Sail-NO-RESERV-Offshore-Electronics-Package-/201414788093?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2ee541c3fd&item=201414788093
>> 
>> 
>> Rick Taillieu
>> Nemesis
>> '75 C&C 25  #371
>> Shearwater Yacht Club
>> Halifax, NS.
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Stus-List Some more questions concerning TRILIGHT LED'S

[Alex Giannelia via CnC-List]

So,  Thanks to listers and the WEB, I see that DR LED produces trilight LED's 
to replace the bulbs in HELLA, PERKO and AQUASIGNAL.  My light is a PERKO with 
what looks like a very standard indexed incandescent bulb. Does anyone know for 
sure that the POLAR STAR 40 bulb will fit?

Also, another lister mentioned RF Interference with his VHF radio when using 
the LED bulb.  Has anyone else experienced the same?

Just wondering because it looks promising, but at $40.00 a pop, I want it to 
work.

Thanks,


Alex Giannelia
a...@airsensing.com
(416) 203-9858

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Re: Stus-List Stus List - 1983 38 Landfall on Ebay

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Dock rash! Ha!  On Aug 25, 2015 8:04 PM, Rick Taillieu via CnC-List 
 wrote:
>
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Re: Stus-List Stus List - 1983 38 Landfall on Ebay

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Interesting to note that there are no photos of the head; isn’t that where the 
stanchion was poked through the deck?  I also notice that the face of the 
storage above the settees in the saloon is the usual light laminate trimmed 
with teak on the port side; to starboard, it’s teak veneer.  And the exterior 
photo of the starboard quarter may show some signs of the repair to the toerail 
area, although it’s hard to tell.  In fact, it looks like the whole teak 
toerail has been painted white!

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[jackbrennan via CnC-List]

Here's a hull speed story some of you racers might find interesting.

My current boat is a centerboard Bristol 30, a 1960s CCA racer designed by 
Halsey Herreshoff with full keel, cutaway forefoot, attached rudder, etc.

Of course, IOR boats like C&Cs sail circles around it in lighter winds. In 
12-15 knots, it will sometimes reach  6.6 knots. But, in more than 20 knots of 
wind, with full main and a 130, the boat will hit a steady 7.5 knots on a close 
reach with jumps up to 7.8 knots.

This is GPS speed in Boca Ciega Bay just off Tampa Bay, a protected area where 
you can have 1-2 foot seas and little current when the wind is really kicking 
up, which makes it fun to sail.

The waterline is being stretched out as the boat heels over 30 to 40 degrees, 
but that shouldn't account for all the speed. Especially because I am not a 
racer.

I guess the Herreshoffs knew a thing or two about designing sailboats back in 
the day.


Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.
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 Original message 
From: dwight veinot via CnC-List  
Date:08/25/2015  7:23 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: dwight veinot  
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! 

Well I wasn't peed off, just skeptical of those speeds based on my own mediocre 
experience but kudos to you Sam for doing what one famous America's Cup skipper 
referred to as "No Excuse to Lose"...keep up the good sailing and no need to 
keep quiet from my point of view; I have never seen knot abbreviated as kn, 
that confused me in conjunction with the numbers so I asked; perhaps I am the 
one who should have kept quiet

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:
‎A few things :
My genoa is an almost new laminate sail; The main is only 5 short seasons old; 
I've got a folding propeller ; my bottom is smooth like a babies - I take it 
out every winter!‎; I’m measuring speed with a Speed Puck (GPS)

The 8kn readings were brief and fleeting (not more than the 10secs to register 
in the instrument. The 7kn readings did register though, but they were not 
sustained - like the 6+kn readings were. During this whole time I was beating, 
which is why I pondered on the possibility of sustaining 7 or 8 on a beam reach.

I fairly regularly exceed theoretical hull speed - If you're not, you're not 
trying ! The 26 is not known to be a fast boat. I've done a lot to get her 
faster. There are a lot of faster C&C's on the water which is why the 26's 
aren't raced.
And yes the 27 is faster!

Sorry I pissed so many people off - I'll keep quiet in future!

sam :-)
From: dwight veinot via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: dwight veinot
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

sorry Russ, I thought he said a beam reach must have missed the part about 
puffs, still that's very fast for a 26 but if he can do it course be damned as 
you say, then good for him

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Hi Dwight,

Please reread Sam's message before getting out the pitchforks. He said 7 or 8, 
in the puffs. I would not characterize puffs as "regular"... 

On a prairie lake I think his experience is quite achievable in hot summer 
conditions when all you want to do is sail fast, course be damned.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet mk-1



At 10:05 AM 25/08/2015, you wrote:
what do you mean by 7kn to 8kn regularly? 

If you mean 7 knots or 8 knots through the water or over the ground with a C&C 
26 I would say you should be a race winner every time on corrected time; that 
is really fast for a C&C 26 even on a beam reach and I got a feeling you would 
probably leave my 35 MKII struggling to stay close behind...before everyone 
runs out to get a C&C 26 are you sure about those numbers; I have only ever 
seen a couple of C&C 26's around here...I don't remember them being quite that 
slippery, in fact my C&C 27 MKIII always seemed to be much faster on all points 
of sail

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts on 
optimizing my sail plan.

Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!

 

Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought we’d 
play around with the saill plan.

Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I ssee the occasional 
whitecap it’s around 10kn)

 

I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons). A 
Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in 
Vancouver (5 seasons).

 

I

Re: Stus-List Stus List - 1983 38 Landfall on Ebay

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

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Nemesis
'75 C&C 25  #371
Shearwater Yacht Club
Halifax, NS.




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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Oh come on, if you don't exaggerate a bit you're just not a sailor.

On the 110%, I've gone with a 120 for years when cruising.  It's just easier on 
everyone with little loss of speed vs. the 135 in lighter air. Whatever we 
loose in speed we make up for in quick tacking.  We're in NY harbor (Battery) 
so short tacks and chop are the norm as is wind in the 15 range. Even racing 
we're not shy about using the 120 in the cruising or double handed divisions.  
Smaller and well trimmed trumps bigger and sloppy.

Yes, people here have strong opinions and are a pita at times - until you need 
those strong opinions from a knowledgeable group.

Good luck

John


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> On Aug 25, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> ‎A few things :
> My genoa is an almost new laminate sail; The main is only 5 short seasons 
> old; I've got a folding propeller ; my bottom is smooth like a babies - I 
> take it out every winter!‎; I’m measuring speed with a Speed Puck (GPS)
> 
> The 8kn readings were brief and fleeting (not more than the 10secs to 
> register in the instrument. The 7kn readings did register though, but they 
> were not sustained - like the 6+kn readings were. During this whole time I 
> was beating, which is why I pondered on the possibility of sustaining 7 or 8 
> on a beam reach.
> 
> I fairly regularly exceed theoretical hull speed - If you're not, you're not 
> trying ! The 26 is not known to be a fast boat. I've done a lot to get her 
> faster. There are a lot of faster C&C's on the water which is why the 26's 
> aren't raced.
> And yes the 27 is faster!
> 
> Sorry I pissed so many people off - I'll keep quiet in future!
> 
> sam :-)
> From: dwight veinot via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:44 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: dwight veinot
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
> 
> sorry Russ, I thought he said a beam reach must have missed the part about 
> puffs, still that's very fast for a 26 but if he can do it course be damned 
> as you say, then good for him
> 
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi Dwight,
>> 
>> Please reread Sam's message before getting out the pitchforks. He said 7 or 
>> 8, in the puffs. I would not characterize puffs as "regular"... 
>> 
>> On a prairie lake I think his experience is quite achievable in hot summer 
>> conditions when all you want to do is sail fast, course be damned.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers, Russ
>> Sweet mk-1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At 10:05 AM 25/08/2015, you wrote:
>>> what do you mean by 7kn to 8kn regularly? 
>>> 
>>> If you mean 7 knots or 8 knots through the water or over the ground with a 
>>> C&C 26 I would say you should be a race winner every time on corrected 
>>> time; that is really fast for a C&C 26 even on a beam reach and I got a 
>>> feeling you would probably leave my 35 MKII struggling to stay close 
>>> behind...before everyone runs out to get a C&C 26 are you sure about those 
>>> numbers; I have only ever seen a couple of C&C 26's around here...I don't 
>>> remember them being quite that slippery, in fact my C&C 27 MKIII always 
>>> seemed to be much faster on all points of sail
>>> 
>>> Dwight Veinot
>>> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts 
>>> on optimizing my sail plan.
>>> 
>>> Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!
>>> 
>>> Â 
>>> 
>>> Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought 
>>> we’d play around with the saill plan.
>>> 
>>> Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I ssee the occasional 
>>> whitecap it’s around 10kn)
>>> 
>>> Â 
>>> 
>>> I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons). A 
>>> Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in 
>>> Vancouver (5 seasons).
>>> 
>>> Â 
>>> 
>>> I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken 
>>> traveller; Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster)
>>> 
>>> Â 
>>> 
>>> The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating to 
>>> windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel a 
>>> bit. (speed measured with a Speed Puck)
>>> 
>>> Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the 
>>> spreaders so no interference.
>>> 
>>> Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up 
>>> to 7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hulll speed is 6.25kn) No bubble in 
>>> the luff of the main.
>>> 
>>> Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard tack 
>>> was better than port tack. On a beam reach I thin

Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Well I wasn't peed off, just skeptical of those speeds based on my own
mediocre experience but kudos to you Sam for doing what one famous
America's Cup skipper referred to as "No Excuse to Lose"...keep up the good
sailing and no need to keep quiet from my point of view; I have never seen
knot abbreviated as kn, that confused me in conjunction with the numbers so
I asked; perhaps I am the one who should have kept quiet

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> ‎A few things :
> My genoa is an almost new laminate sail; The main is only 5 short seasons
> old; I've got a folding propeller ; my bottom is smooth like a babies - I
> take it out every winter!‎; I’m measuring speed with a Speed Puck (GPS)
>
> The 8kn readings were brief and fleeting (not more than the 10secs to
> register in the instrument. The 7kn readings did register though, but they
> were not sustained - like the 6+kn readings were. During this whole time I
> was beating, which is why I pondered on the possibility of sustaining 7 or
> 8 on a beam reach.
>
> I fairly regularly exceed theoretical hull speed - If you're not, you're
> not trying ! The 26 is not known to be a fast boat. I've done a lot to get
> her faster. There are a lot of faster C&C's on the water which is why the
> 26's aren't raced.
> And yes the 27 is faster!
>
> Sorry I pissed so many people off - I'll keep quiet in future!
>
> sam :-)
> *From: *dwight veinot via CnC-List
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:44 PM
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Reply To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc: *dwight veinot
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
>
> sorry Russ, I thought he said a beam reach must have missed the part about
> puffs, still that's very fast for a 26 but if he can do it course be damned
> as you say, then good for him
>
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dwight,
>>
>> Please reread Sam's message before getting out the pitchforks. He said 7
>> or 8, in the puffs. I would not characterize puffs as "regular"...
>>
>> On a prairie lake I think his experience is quite achievable in hot
>> summer conditions when all you want to do is sail fast, course be damned.
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Russ
>> *Sweet *mk-1
>>
>>
>>
>> At 10:05 AM 25/08/2015, you wrote:
>>
>> what do you mean by 7kn to 8kn regularly?
>>
>> If you mean 7 knots or 8 knots through the water or over the ground with
>> a C&C 26 I would say you should be a race winner every time on corrected
>> time; that is really fast for a C&C 26 even on a beam reach and I got a
>> feeling you would probably leave my 35 MKII struggling to stay close
>> behind...before everyone runs out to get a C&C 26 are you sure about those
>> numbers; I have only ever seen a couple of C&C 26's around here...I don't
>> remember them being quite that slippery, in fact my C&C 27 MKIII always
>> seemed to be much faster on all points of sail
>>
>> Dwight Veinot
>> C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my
>> thoughts on optimizing my sail plan.
>>
>> Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!
>>
>> Â
>>
>> Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought
>> we’d play around with the saill plan.
>>
>> Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I ssee the occasional
>> whitecap it’s around 10kn)
>>
>> Â
>>
>> I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons).
>> A Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in
>> Vancouver (5 seasons).
>>
>> Â
>>
>> I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken
>> traveller; Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster)
>>
>> Â
>>
>> The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating
>> to windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel
>> a bit. (speed measured with a Speed Puck)
>>
>> Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the
>> spreaders so no interference.
>>
>> Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up
>> to 7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hulll speed is 6.25kn) No bubble in
>> the luff of the main.
>>
>> Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard tack
>> was better than port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or 8kn
>> regularly.
>>
>> Â
>>
>> So here’s my thoughts:
>>
>> I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s not
>> practical (...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%.
>>

Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Sam,
   Don't let this keep you from posting.  
Bill Walker
CnC 36




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On Tuesday, August 25, 2015 Sam Salter via CnC-List  
wrote:

‎A few things : 

My genoa is an almost new laminate sail; The main is only 5 short seasons old; 
I've got a folding propeller ; my bottom is smooth like a babies - I take it 
out every winter!‎; I’m measuring speed with a Speed Puck (GPS) 


The 8kn readings were brief and fleeting (not more than the 10secs to register 
in the instrument. The 7kn readings did register though, but they were not 
sustained - like the 6+kn readings were. During this whole time I was beating, 
which is why I pondered on the possibility of sustaining 7 or 8 on a beam 
reach. 


I fairly regularly exceed theoretical hull speed - If you're not, you're not 
trying ! The 26 is not known to be a fast boat. I've done a lot to get her 
faster. There are a lot of faster C&C's on the water which is why the 26's 
aren't raced. 

And yes the 27 is faster! 


Sorry I pissed so many people off - I'll keep quiet in future! 


sam :-) 

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:44 PM 

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: dwight veinot 

Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! 


sorry Russ, I thought he said a beam reach must have missed the part about 
puffs, still that's very fast for a 26 but if he can do it course be damned as 
you say, then good for him 


Dwight Veinot 

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna 

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS 

d.ve...@bellaliant.net 



On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote: 

Hi Dwight, 

Please reread Sam's message before getting out the pitchforks. He said 7 or 8, 
in the puffs. I would not characterize puffs as "regular"... 

On a prairie lake I think his experience is quite achievable in hot summer 
conditions when all you want to do is sail fast, course be damned. 

 
 Cheers, Russ 
 Sweet mk-1 



At 10:05 AM 25/08/2015, you wrote:

what do you mean by 7kn to 8kn regularly? 

If you mean 7 knots or 8 knots through the water or over the ground with a C&C 
26 I would say you should be a race winner every time on corrected time; that 
is really fast for a C&C 26 even on a beam reach and I got a feeling you would 
probably leave my 35 MKII struggling to stay close behind...before everyone 
runs out to get a C&C 26 are you sure about those numbers; I have only ever 
seen a couple of C&C 26's around here...I don't remember them being quite that 
slippery, in fact my C&C 27 MKIII always seemed to be much faster on all points 
of sail

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts on 
optimizing my sail plan. 

Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts! 

 

Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought we’d 
play around with the saill plan. 

Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I ssee the occasional 
whitecap it’s around 10kn) 

 

I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons). A 
Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in 
Vancouver (5 seasons).

 

I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken traveller; 
Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster)

 

The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating to 
windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel a bit. 
(speed measured with a Speed Puck)

Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the spreaders 
so no interference.

Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up to 
7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hulll speed is 6.25kn) No bubble in the 
luff of the main. 

Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard tack was 
better than port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or 8kn regularly. 

 

So here’s my thoughts: 

I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s not 
practical (...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%. 

Eventually a new laminate main will be needed too!

I’m well pleased with 6+kns at 10kn of wind and 16deg angle of heel. Very 
little weather helm 

I’ve not tried it yet with the genoa at 110% in light wind. In heavy air the 
main can still be reefed (...as could the 110%). 

 

OK guys, am I missing something?

(I’m not looking for advice on where to buy used sails!) 

 

sam :-) 

C&C 26  Liquorice 

Ghost Lake  Alberta 

 

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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

  ‎A few things :My genoa is an almost new laminate sail; The main is only 5 short seasons old; I've got a folding propeller ; my bottom is smooth like a babies - I take it out every winter!‎; I’m measuring speed with a Speed Puck (GPS)The 8kn readings were brief and fleeting (not more than the 10secs to register in the instrument. The 7kn readings did register though, but they were not sustained - like the 6+kn readings were. During this whole time I was beating, which is why I pondered on the possibility of sustaining 7 or 8 on a beam reach.I fairly regularly exceed theoretical hull speed - If you're not, you're not trying ! The 26 is not known to be a fast boat. I've done a lot to get her faster. There are a lot of faster C&C's on the water which is why the 26's aren't raced.And yes the 27 is faster!Sorry I pissed so many people off - I'll keep quiet in future! sam :-)From: dwight veinot via CnC-ListSent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:44 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: dwight veinotSubject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!sorry Russ, I thought he said a beam reach must have missed the part about puffs, still that's very fast for a 26 but if he can do it course be damned as you say, then good for himDwight VeinotC&C 35 MKII, AliannaHead of St. Margaret's Bay, NSd.ve...@bellaliant.net
On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List  wrote:

Hi Dwight,
Please reread Sam's message before getting out the pitchforks. He said 7
or 8, in the puffs. I would not characterize puffs as
"regular"... 
On a prairie lake I think his experience is quite achievable in hot
summer conditions when all you want to do is sail fast, course be
damned.

Cheers,
Russ
Sweet
mk-1

At 10:05 AM 25/08/2015, you wrote:
what do you mean by 7kn to 8kn
regularly? 
If you mean 7 knots or 8 knots through the water or over the ground with
a C&C 26 I would say you should be a race winner every time on
corrected time; that is really fast for a C&C 26 even on a beam reach
and I got a feeling you would probably leave my 35 MKII struggling to
stay close behind...before everyone runs out to get a C&C 26 are you
sure about those numbers; I have only ever seen a couple of C&C 26's
around here...I don't remember them being quite that slippery, in fact my
C&C 27 MKIII always seemed to be much faster on all points of
sail
Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List

wrote:



I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my
thoughts on optimizing my sail plan.

Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!

 

Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I
thought we’d play around with the saill plan.

Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I ssee the
occasional whitecap it’s around 10kn)

 

I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2
seasons). A Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche
& McBride in Vancouver (5 seasons).

 

I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken
traveller; Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay
adjuster)

 

The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn
beating to windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul
reduced heel a bit. (speed measured with a Speed Puck)

Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the
spreaders so no interference.

Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn.
Went up to 7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hulll speed is 6.25kn) No
bubble in the luff of the main.

Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard
tack was better than port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or
8kn regularly.

 

So here’s my thoughts:

I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s
not practical (...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%.

Eventually a new laminate main will be needed too!

I’m well pleased with 6+kns at 10kn of wind and 16deg angle of
heel. Very little weather helm

I’ve not tried it yet with the genoa at 110% in light wind. In
heavy air the main can still be reefed (...as could the 110%).

 

OK guys, am I missing somethin

Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

sorry Russ, I thought he said a beam reach must have missed the part about
puffs, still that's very fast for a 26 but if he can do it course be damned
as you say, then good for him

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Dwight,
>
> Please reread Sam's message before getting out the pitchforks. He said 7
> or 8, in the puffs. I would not characterize puffs as "regular"...
>
> On a prairie lake I think his experience is quite achievable in hot summer
> conditions when all you want to do is sail fast, course be damned.
>
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *mk-1
>
>
>
> At 10:05 AM 25/08/2015, you wrote:
>
> what do you mean by 7kn to 8kn regularly?
>
> If you mean 7 knots or 8 knots through the water or over the ground with a
> C&C 26 I would say you should be a race winner every time on corrected
> time; that is really fast for a C&C 26 even on a beam reach and I got a
> feeling you would probably leave my 35 MKII struggling to stay close
> behind...before everyone runs out to get a C&C 26 are you sure about those
> numbers; I have only ever seen a couple of C&C 26's around here...I don't
> remember them being quite that slippery, in fact my C&C 27 MKIII always
> seemed to be much faster on all points of sail
>
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my
> thoughts on optimizing my sail plan.
>
> Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!
>
> Â
>
> Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought
> we’d play around with the saill plan.
>
> Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I ssee the occasional
> whitecap it’s around 10kn)
>
> Â
>
> I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons).
> A Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in
> Vancouver (5 seasons).
>
> Â
>
> I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken
> traveller; Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster)
>
> Â
>
> The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating
> to windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel
> a bit. (speed measured with a Speed Puck)
>
> Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the
> spreaders so no interference.
>
> Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up
> to 7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hulll speed is 6.25kn) No bubble in
> the luff of the main.
>
> Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard tack
> was better than port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or 8kn
> regularly.
>
> Â
>
> So here’s my thoughts:
>
> I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s not
> practical (...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%.
>
> Eventually a new laminate main will be needed too!
>
> I’m well pleased with 6+kns at 10kn of wind and 16deg angle of heel.
> Very little weather helm
>
> I’ve not tried it yet with the genoa at 110% in light wind. In heavy air
> the main can still be reefed (...as could the 110%).
>
> Â
>
> OK guys, am I missing something?
>
> (I’m not looking for advice on where to buy used sails!)
>
> Â
>
> sam :-)
>
> C&C 26Â  Liquorice
>
> Ghost Lake  Alberta
>
> Â
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Re: Stus-List i50/i60 question for Fred

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Mike — have you run the “Intermediate Calibration” routine detailed on page 34 
of the manual?  This allows you to do two speed runs, and set up a calibration 
factor that is applied to the calculated speed.  If you’re showing a little 
fast at four knots, and faster at six knots, this may help get things down 
where they belong.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I have new i50 speed and depth and i60 wind installed Mid July 2014.  Boat is 
> a Frers designed Carrol Marine built Frers 33.  Phrf here is 114.
>  
> Typically in the Fall the ST60 speedo we had on our last boat would be 
> reading slow and I would have to calibrate faster.  At Spring launch would be 
> reading fast and I would calibrate slower.  This was always because of growth 
> and slime.
>  
> This Spring the i50 speed read optimistically high.  I left it that way for a 
> while since it feels pretty good to see higher numbers even if you know they 
> are not correct.  Eventually I calibrated ½ knot slower based on comparisons 
> with Chartplotter GPS speed in neutral tide situations.  Since that time I 
> have noted that once again it is reading higher than GPS and now the boat is 
> in fresher water (Bras d’Ors Lakes) by about 3/10 to 4/10 of a knot.  I 
> notice that it is further off at speeds 6 knots and above and somewhat close 
> to GPS at 4 knots.  This is not usually too much of a problem since the 
> speedo is for relative speed anyway but surprises me that it is close at 4 
> knots but off by a larger amount over 6.  The bigger issue is that the TWS on 
> the wind instrument would also be affected as would my perception of currents
>  
> Any comments on this?  Are there varying methods of calibrations? 
>  
> It does seem nice to be making 6.7 knots to windward but a quick look on my 
> chartplotter brings me back to reality …  typically we are 6.2 or so when the 
> boat is going well upwind.
>  
> Mike
>  
> Persistence
> 1987 Frers 33
> Currently sitting in Dundee on the Bras d’Ors Lakes

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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[David Donnelly via CnC-List]

I have calibrated my knotmeter with my gps on my tablet. They rarely are the 
exact same and are 0.1 to 0.3 kt difference with the knotmeter reading faster 
than the gps. My tablet may not be perfect either.
My 26 as I stated does not go as fast as Sam's. Upwind I am 5.0 to 5.5 and 
reaching sometimes over 6.0. My personal best is 6.9 reaching, for 4 seconds, 
and in flat water and a really nice puff.
I singlehand alot and don't know how to fly the spinnaker yet so I don't know 
if that might allow faster speeds.
David Donnelly C&C 26 Mistress 


Sent from my Samsung device

 Original message 
From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List  
Date: 08-25-2015  1:15 PM  (GMT-07:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Frederick G Street  
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! 

My sailing instructor referred to them as “owner-meters”…   :^)


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI


On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Greg Arnold via CnC-List  
wrote:
Aren't knotmeter transducers notoriously inaccurate?
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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

My sailing instructor referred to them as “owner-meters”…   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Greg Arnold via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Aren't knotmeter transducers notoriously inaccurate?

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Stus-List hull speed, planing, PHRF, etc ...

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Michael

Typically sport boats have their planning capabilities accounted for in their 
PHRF numbers.  This is one reason why limiting a course to strictly W/L is not 
always desirable as it takes away a major component of some boats speed by 
removing any reaching legs… that is a discussion for another time though.

A Viking 22 is not a sport boat but is light and will probably surf quite well 
in a wind. By contrast they would be pounded mercilessly going to wind in those 
same conditions.  Our first ever race on our former J27 was a 52 mile port to 
port distance race with winds well over 20 knots TWS coming over port quarter  
(likely much more).  We were regularly exceeding 12 knots over the water on the 
ST60 Speed instrument as we surfed down waves.  We would then drop off to 7 
knots as we stopped surfing each time.  We hit a high of 13.9 knots that day.  
(which we never ever saw again while racing in 7 years).  During the same race 
the boat ahead of us was a Peterson 37.  They never came close to 13 knots but 
they also never dropped below 9.  The boat immediately behind was a C&C 34 – 
same thing as the Peterson.  I suspect your 30 would also not slow down as much 
after the surf finishes as the lighter 22 but would have a pretty nice average 
boat speed during the day.

I should note that after we dropped the spin and went with just a main for a 
while we continued to exceed 12 and drop down to 7s.  We averaged 8 knots over 
our course that race.  It was a wild and wet day.  At the bar after the finish 
a friend in a Tanzer 22 was there less than an hour after we finished and he 
flew only white sails.  Usually he is several hours behind.The only other 
time we hit high speeds on speedo was just after we abandoned a race due to 
excessive waves and wind and were reaching back to port under reefed main and 
100% headsail.  While I was attending to cooler duties we surfed down a wave 
and briefly hit 15.0 knots.  Despite that it took our usual time to get back.  
As a proud papa of the boat I selected Max Speed both times and took photos at 
the dock.  On the day we hit 15 after abandoning a C&C30-1 won the race.

Mike
Persistence
Halifax



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
Brown via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 3:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Michael Brown
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

Not including surfing or being pushed by waves I rarely get over calculated 
hull speed on my 30-1.
Sometimes do it reaching on flat water with the 195% spinnaker. In one case I 
did get to about 7 kts,
which leaves an impressive ditch directly behind the boat. At the same time a 
Viking 22 slowly passed
me. Afterwards the skipper claimed he was doing about 7.2, occasionally 7.4.

I have wondered from a PHRF handicapping perspective if a number needs to be 
factored in that covers
the "ease" at which a boat can exceed hull speed.

The sustained highest speeds I get to are with a deeply cut 90% jib around 22 
kts true. It sheets in front
of the spreaders and inside the shrouds. As long as I am not pounding into 
waves I can do 6.5.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:31:42 -0400
From: "Gary Nylander" 
mailto:gnylan...@atlanticbb.net>>
To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
Message-ID: <2E46EB485BC641329EB7254EBAB3F4D6@GaryPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Don't forget that when a boat heels, the waterline may grow, but I still doubt 
the figures quoted. I have never seen that on my (sometimes well sailed) 30!

Gary
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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I have wondered from a PHRF handicapping perspective if a number needs to
be factored in that covers
the "ease" at which a boat can exceed hull speed.

Yes, it should!!!  Planing boats get a huge break when the wind blows!

Joel

On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Not including surfing or being pushed by waves I rarely get over
> calculated hull speed on my 30-1.
> Sometimes do it reaching on flat water with the 195% spinnaker. In one
> case I did get to about 7 kts,
> which leaves an impressive ditch directly behind the boat. At the same
> time a Viking 22 slowly passed
> me. Afterwards the skipper claimed he was doing about 7.2, occasionally
> 7.4.
>
> I have wondered from a PHRF handicapping perspective if a number needs to
> be factored in that covers
> the "ease" at which a boat can exceed hull speed.
>
> The sustained highest speeds I get to are with a deeply cut 90% jib around
> 22 kts true. It sheets in front
> of the spreaders and inside the shrouds. As long as I am not pounding into
> waves I can do 6.5.
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C&C 30-1
>
> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:31:42 -0400
> From: "Gary Nylander" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
> Message-ID: <2E46EB485BC641329EB7254EBAB3F4D6@GaryPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Don't forget that when a boat heels, the waterline may grow, but I still
> doubt the figures quoted. I have never seen that on my (sometimes well
> sailed) 30!
>
> Gary
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Not including surfing or being pushed by waves I rarely get over calculated 
hull speed on my 30-1.
Sometimes do it reaching on flat water with the 195% spinnaker. In one case I 
did get to about 7 kts,
which leaves an impressive ditch directly behind the boat. At the same time a 
Viking 22 slowly passed
me. Afterwards the skipper claimed he was doing about 7.2, occasionally 7.4.

I have wondered from a PHRF handicapping perspective if a number needs to be 
factored in that covers
the "ease" at which a boat can exceed hull speed.

The sustained highest speeds I get to are with a deeply cut 90% jib around 22 
kts true. It sheets in front
of the spreaders and inside the shrouds. As long as I am not pounding into 
waves I can do 6.5.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:31:42 -0400 
From: "Gary Nylander"  
To:  
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! 
Message-ID: <2E46EB485BC641329EB7254EBAB3F4D6@GaryPC> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
Don't forget that when a boat heels, the waterline may grow, but I still doubt 
the figures quoted. I have never seen that on my (sometimes well sailed) 30! 
 
Gary 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Dwight,

Please reread Sam's message before getting out 
the pitchforks. He said 7 or 8, in the puffs. I 
would not characterize puffs as "regular"...


On a prairie lake I think his experience is quite 
achievable in hot summer conditions when all you 
want to do is sail fast, course be damned.



Cheers, Russ
Sweet mk-1



At 10:05 AM 25/08/2015, you wrote:

what do you mean by 7kn to 8kn regularly?

If you mean 7 knots or 8 knots through the water 
or over the ground with a C&C 26 I would say you 
should be a race winner every time on corrected 
time; that is really fast for a C&C 26 even on a 
beam reach and I got a feeling you would 
probably leave my 35 MKII struggling to stay 
close behind...before everyone runs out to get a 
C&C 26 are you sure about those numbers; I have 
only ever seen a couple of C&C 26's around 
here...I don't remember them being quite that 
slippery, in fact my C&C 27 MKIII always seemed 
to be much faster on all points of sail


Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Sam Salter via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so 
thought I’d share my thoughts on optimizing my sail plan.


Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!

Â

Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I 
love that! So I thought we’d play around with the saill plan.


Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think 
if I ssee the occasional whitecap it’s around 10kn)


Â

I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution 
Sails in Toronto (2 seasons). A Dacron main with 
2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in Vancouver (5 seasons).


Â

I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer 
genoa cars; Harken traveller; Cunningham; 
Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster)


Â

The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing 
about 5.5kn to 6kn beating to windward at 20deg 
– 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul 
reduced heel a bit. (speed measured with a Speed Puck)


Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the 
leech forward of the spreaders so no interference.


Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was 
between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up to 7kn or 8kn in 
the puffs (theoretical hulll speed is 6.25kn) No 
bubble in the luff of the main.


Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting 
great and the starboard tack was better than 
port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or 8kn regularly.


Â

So here’s my thoughts:

I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 
110% or if that’s not practical (...and I 
suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%.


Eventually a new laminate main will be needed too!

I’m well pleased with 6+kns at 10kn of wind 
and 16deg angle of heel. Very little weather helm


I’ve not tried it yet with the genoa at 110% 
in light wind. In heavy air the main can still 
be reefed (...as could the 110%).


Â

OK guys, am I missing something?

(I’m not looking for advice on where to buy used sails!)

Â

sam :-)

C&C 26Â  Liquorice

Ghost Lake  Alberta

Â

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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

not sure about accuracy but I know mine can be calibrated to be pretty
close to GPS SOG when steaming in calm conditions.  On my boat however
because the paddle wheel is mounted slightly to port of center line towards
the after end of the keel if I calibrate it to read the same as the gps sog
on port tack then it will not be calibrated to read the same as the gps sog
on starboard tack...I attribute that to water flow around the keel near the
paddle wheel related to the paddle wheel being in one case on the windward
side of the keel and in the other case on the leeward side of the keel...I
simply try to split the difference but I favour higher "feel good" numbers
for everyone in the boat to see

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Greg Arnold via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Aren't knotmeter transducers notoriously inaccurate?
>
>
> On 8/25/2015 10:05 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List wrote:
>
> what do you mean by 7kn to 8kn regularly?
>
> If you mean 7 knots or 8 knots through the water or over the ground with a
> C&C 26 I would say you should be a race winner every time on corrected
> time; that is really fast for a C&C 26 even on a beam reach and I got a
> feeling you would probably leave my 35 MKII struggling to stay close
> behind...before everyone runs out to get a C&C 26 are you sure about those
> numbers; I have only ever seen a couple of C&C 26's around here...I don't
> remember them being quite that slippery, in fact my C&C 27 MKIII always
> seemed to be much faster on all points of sail
>
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net
>
>
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Stus-List i50/i60 question for Fred

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

I have new i50 speed and depth and i60 wind installed Mid July 2014.  Boat is a 
Frers designed Carrol Marine built Frers 33.  Phrf here is 114.

Typically in the Fall the ST60 speedo we had on our last boat would be reading 
slow and I would have to calibrate faster.  At Spring launch would be reading 
fast and I would calibrate slower.  This was always because of growth and slime.

This Spring the i50 speed read optimistically high.  I left it that way for a 
while since it feels pretty good to see higher numbers even if you know they 
are not correct.  Eventually I calibrated ½ knot slower based on comparisons 
with Chartplotter GPS speed in neutral tide situations.  Since that time I have 
noted that once again it is reading higher than GPS and now the boat is in 
fresher water (Bras d'Ors Lakes) by about 3/10 to 4/10 of a knot.  I notice 
that it is further off at speeds 6 knots and above and somewhat close to GPS at 
4 knots.  This is not usually too much of a problem since the speedo is for 
relative speed anyway but surprises me that it is close at 4 knots but off by a 
larger amount over 6.  The bigger issue is that the TWS on the wind instrument 
would also be affected as would my perception of currents

Any comments on this?  Are there varying methods of calibrations?

It does seem nice to be making 6.7 knots to windward but a quick look on my 
chartplotter brings me back to reality ...  typically we are 6.2 or so when the 
boat is going well upwind.

Mike

Persistence
1987 Frers 33
Currently sitting in Dundee on the Bras d'Ors Lakes
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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[David via CnC-List]

Yup did 12.1 knots in a squall in relatively flattish water not surfing.  Kept 
looking up at the rig praying it wouldn't come down.   Lots O' Force there...

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:39:44 -0400
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: joel.aron...@gmail.com

Nat Herreshoff spoke at my YC when I was a kid.  He said he did not believe in 
hull speed as a limit.  More sail or more wind equals more speed.I was doing 
more than hull speed (7.3) while cruising on a reach last weekend and have done 
over 8 knots in flat water with the chute.
Joel35/3Annapolis

On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  ‎It's theoretical - in real life you can push it a bit!   



  sam :-)   


 From: Indigo via CnC-ListSent: 
Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:24 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: IndigoSubject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
According to the formula 1.34 x square root of lwl the theoretical max speed of 
my 35mkIII with an lwl of 28ft is 7.06 knots.  I'd love to know how to get it 
going at higher speeds without surfing down the back of a wave!!

--JonathanIndigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT
On Aug 25, 2015, at 08:55, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List  
wrote:

8 knots in a C&C 26 with no current on a reach with white sails in 12 knots of 
wind?   Sounds more like a 30 one design.   Jerry. C&C 27 V J&J.  

Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:15 AM, David Donnelly via CnC-List 
 wrote:



I will preface this by saying I consider myself a beginner hack sailor.
I have often thought about trading my 135 for a 110. The 26 is tender for sure 
and I get plenty of grief from my bride whenever we go past 20 degrees. I often 
furl or reef the main when she is on board, and although performance increases 
the more upright we get, pointing is severely reduced. My favorite sailplan for 
over 12 kts is reefed main and full genoa. I do think my boat feels right at 20 
to 25 degrees hard on the wind. I have found a bubble in the main to be faster 
when the wind picks up. Again, a hack playing and watching the speed.
I have a harken traveler and I do have a split and adjustable backstay. 
I have never acheived the speeds you get. I saw over 7.3 kts once on the 
display while reaching but as I keep a Navionics log on my tablet as well it 
showed only 6.9 per the gps so I count that as my max speed. 
When I get new sails I am getting a 110 and perhaps 2 reefs in my main instead 
of the one I currently have. I think we're on the same page. 
David Donnelly C&C 26 Mistress 
Sent from my Samsung device

 Original message 
From: Sam Salter via CnC-List  
Date: 08-24-2015  8:34 PM  (GMT-07:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Sam Salter  
Subject: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! 

I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts on 
optimizing my sail plan.
Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!
 
Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought we’d 
play around with the sail plan.
Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I see the occasional 
whitecap it’s around 10kn)
 
I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons). A 
Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in 
Vancouver (5 seasons).
 
I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken traveller; 
Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster)
 
The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating to 
windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel a bit. 
(speed measured with a Speed Puck)
Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the spreaders 
so no interference.
Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up to 
7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hull speed is 6.2kn) No bubble in the luff 
of the main.
Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard tack was 
better than port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or 8kn regularly.
 
So here’s my thoughts:
I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s not practical 
(...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%.
Eventually a new laminate main will be needed too!
I’

Re: Stus-List Captain License

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GOOD LUCK TY!!!

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 12:03:22 -0500
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> Subject: Stus-List Captain License
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> 
> Captains, admirals, crew, and all affiliated. 
> I'm asking a favor from like minded souls, young and old with salt or fresh 
> water in their veins. 
> My son, Ty, is taking his hundred ton captain tests today, Wednesday, and 
> Thursday, in Mandeville LA( ehh-hem...Dennis, guess I could be referred 
> to as rambunctious' grandfather )...
> Anyway, please keep him in your thoughts and prayers. He's almost thirty 
> years old, lives for the sea. After being in from a thirty day hitch from 
> wherever he's been on the blue marble, whichever lat/lon, after a couple 
> days"I'm ready to go back to work!". 
> Thank you all,
> Jason
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Greg Arnold via CnC-List]

  
  
Aren't knotmeter transducers notoriously inaccurate?
  

On 8/25/2015 10:05 AM, dwight veinot
  via CnC-List wrote:


  what do you mean by 7kn to 8kn regularly? 

If you mean 7 knots or 8 knots through the water or over the
ground with a C&C 26 I would say you should be a race winner
every time on corrected time; that is really fast for a C&C
26 even on a beam reach and I got a feeling you would probably
leave my 35 MKII struggling to stay close behind...before
everyone runs out to get a C&C 26 are you sure about those
numbers; I have only ever seen a couple of C&C 26's around
here...I don't remember them being quite that slippery, in fact
my C&C 27 MKIII always seemed to be much faster on all
points of sail
  
  

  

  
Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
  
  Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
  d.ve...@bellaliant.net
  
  

  


  


  


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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

what do you mean by 7kn to 8kn regularly?

If you mean 7 knots or 8 knots through the water or over the ground with a
C&C 26 I would say you should be a race winner every time on corrected
time; that is really fast for a C&C 26 even on a beam reach and I got a
feeling you would probably leave my 35 MKII struggling to stay close
behind...before everyone runs out to get a C&C 26 are you sure about those
numbers; I have only ever seen a couple of C&C 26's around here...I don't
remember them being quite that slippery, in fact my C&C 27 MKIII always
seemed to be much faster on all points of sail

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, *Alianna*
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
d.ve...@bellaliant.net


On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts on
> optimizing my sail plan.
>
> Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!
>
>
>
> Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought
> we’d play around with the sail plan.
>
> Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I see the occasional
> whitecap it’s around 10kn)
>
>
>
> I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons).
> A Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in
> Vancouver (5 seasons).
>
>
>
> I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken
> traveller; Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster)
>
>
>
> The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating
> to windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel
> a bit. (speed measured with a Speed Puck)
>
> Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the
> spreaders so no interference.
>
> Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up
> to 7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hull speed is 6.25kn) No bubble in
> the luff of the main.
>
> Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard tack
> was better than port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or 8kn
> regularly.
>
>
>
> So here’s my thoughts:
>
> I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s not
> practical (...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%.
>
> Eventually a new laminate main will be needed too!
>
> I’m well pleased with 6+kns at 10kn of wind and 16deg angle of heel. Very
> little weather helm
>
> I’ve not tried it yet with the genoa at 110% in light wind. In heavy air
> the main can still be reefed (...as could the 110%).
>
>
>
> OK guys, am I missing something?
>
> (I’m not looking for advice on where to buy used sails!)
>
>
>
> sam :-)
>
> C&C 26  Liquorice
>
> Ghost Lake  Alberta
>
>
>
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Stus-List Captain License

[Jason Shoemake via CnC-List]

Captains, admirals, crew, and all affiliated. 
I'm asking a favor from like minded souls, young and old with salt or fresh 
water in their veins. 
My son, Ty, is taking his hundred ton captain tests today, Wednesday, and 
Thursday, in Mandeville LA( ehh-hem...Dennis, guess I could be referred to 
as rambunctious' grandfather )...
Anyway, please keep him in your thoughts and prayers. He's almost thirty years 
old, lives for the sea. After being in from a thirty day hitch from wherever 
he's been on the blue marble, whichever lat/lon, after a couple days"I'm 
ready to go back to work!". 
Thank you all,
Jason


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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

The theoretical hull speed only means that in order to go faster you need 
disproportionally more force. Kind of, you move on the other side of an elbow 
(on a chart).

Another thing is that the hull speed calculated this way is done assuming that 
the hull shape is “standard”. This is just a first approximation. The shape of 
the hull and the appendages makes a difference, as well.

I would say that 8 kt. is a bit optimistic, but who are we to judge (;-).

Marek

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 12:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

Nat Herreshoff spoke at my YC when I was a kid.  He said he did not believe in 
hull speed as a limit.  More sail or more wind equals more speed. 
I was doing more than hull speed (7.3) while cruising on a reach last weekend 
and have done over 8 knots in flat water with the chute.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  ‎It's theoretical - in real life you can push it a bit! 
  sam :-)
From: Indigo via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Indigo
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! 


  According to the formula 1.34 x square root of lwl the theoretical max speed 
of my 35mkIII with an lwl of 28ft is 7.06 knots.  I'd love to know how to get 
it going at higher speeds without surfing down the back of a wave!!


  --
  Jonathan 
  Indigo C&C 35III

  SOUTHPORT CT

  On Aug 25, 2015, at 08:55, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List  
wrote:


8 knots in a C&C 26 with no current on a reach with white sails in 12 knots 
of wind?   Sounds more like a 30 one design.   Jerry. C&C 27 V J&J.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:15 AM, David Donnelly via CnC-List 
 wrote:


  I will preface this by saying I consider myself a beginner hack sailor.

  I have often thought about trading my 135 for a 110. The 26 is tender for 
sure and I get plenty of grief from my bride whenever we go past 20 degrees. I 
often furl or reef the main when she is on board, and although performance 
increases the more upright we get, pointing is severely reduced. My favorite 
sailplan for over 12 kts is reefed main and full genoa. I do think my boat 
feels right at 20 to 25 degrees hard on the wind. I have found a bubble in the 
main to be faster when the wind picks up. Again, a hack playing and watching 
the speed.

  I have a harken traveler and I do have a split and adjustable backstay. 

  I have never acheived the speeds you get. I saw over 7.3 kts once on the 
display while reaching but as I keep a Navionics log on my tablet as well it 
showed only 6.9 per the gps so I count that as my max speed. 

  When I get new sails I am getting a 110 and perhaps 2 reefs in my main 
instead of the one I currently have. I think we're on the same page. 

  David Donnelly 
  C&C 26 Mistress 

  Sent from my Samsung device


   Original message 
  From: Sam Salter via CnC-List  
  Date: 08-24-2015 8:34 PM (GMT-07:00) 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Sam Salter  
  Subject: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! 


  I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts 
on optimizing my sail plan.

  Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!



  Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought 
we’d play around with the sail plan.

  Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I see the occasional 
whitecap it’s around 10kn)



  I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons). 
A Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in 
Vancouver (5 seasons).



  I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken 
traveller; Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster)



  The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating 
to windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel a 
bit. (speed measured with a Speed Puck)

  Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the 
spreaders so no interference.

  Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up 
to 7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hull speed is 6.2kn) No bubble in the 
luff of the main.

  Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard tack 
was better than port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or 8kn 
regularly.



  So here’s my thoughts:

  I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s not 
practical (...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%.

  Eventually a new laminate main will be needed too!

  I’m well pleased with 6+kns at 10kn of wind and 16deg angle of heel. Very 
little weather

Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

Theoretical hull speed is not a limit, it is a "sweet-spot". You can go 
faster, but it takes exponentially more effort to do so. An example of 
this is that when motoring in calm water, you reach hull speed with the 
motor running at 1/4 throttle. To gain maybe .5 - 1 more knot of speed, 
you must increase the engine to full throttle.


Also be aware of the difference between SOG and STW.

Bill Bina

On 8/25/2015 12:39 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List wrote:
Nat Herreshoff spoke at my YC when I was a kid.  He said he did not 
believe in hull speed as a limit.  More sail or more wind equals more 
speed.
I was doing more than hull speed (7.3) while cruising on a reach last 
weekend and have done over 8 knots in flat water with the chute.


Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


‎It's theoretical - in real life you can push it a bit!

sam :-)
*From: *Indigo via CnC-List
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:24 AM
*To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Reply To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc: *Indigo
*Subject: *Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!


According to the formula 1.34 x square root of lwl the theoretical
max speed of my 35mkIII with an lwl of 28ft is 7.06 knots.  I'd
love to know how to get it going at higher speeds without surfing
down the back of a wave!!

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

On Aug 25, 2015, at 08:55, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


8 knots in a C&C 26 with no current on a reach with white sails
in 12 knots of wind?   Sounds more like a 30 one design.   Jerry.
C&C 27 V J&J.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:15 AM, David Donnelly via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I will preface this by saying I consider myself a beginner hack
sailor.

I have often thought about trading my 135 for a 110. The 26 is
tender for sure and I get plenty of grief from my bride whenever
we go past 20 degrees. I often furl or reef the main when she is
on board, and although performance increases the more upright we
get, pointing is severely reduced. My favorite sailplan for over
12 kts is reefed main and full genoa. I do think my boat feels
right at 20 to 25 degrees hard on the wind. I have found a
bubble in the main to be faster when the wind picks up. Again, a
hack playing and watching the speed.

I have a harken traveler and I do have a split and adjustable
backstay.

I have never acheived the speeds you get. I saw over 7.3 kts
once on the display while reaching but as I keep a Navionics log
on my tablet as well it showed only 6.9 per the gps so I count
that as my max speed.

When I get new sails I am getting a 110 and perhaps 2 reefs in
my main instead of the one I currently have. I think we're on
the same page.

David Donnelly
C&C 26 Mistress

Sent from my Samsung device


 Original message 
From: Sam Salter via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Date: 08-24-2015 8:34 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Sam Salter mailto:sam.c.sal...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my
thoughts on optimizing my sail plan.

Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!

Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I
thought we’d play around with the sail plan.

Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I see the
occasional whitecap it’s around 10kn)

I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2
seasons). A Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from
Leiche & McBride in Vancouver (5 seasons).

I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars;
Harken traveller; Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay
adjuster)

The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn
beating to windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the
outhaul reduced heel a bit. (speed measured with a Speed Puck)

Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward
of the spreaders so no interference.

Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn –
6.4kn. Went up to 7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hull
speed is 6.2kn) No bubble in the luff of the main.

Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the
starboard tack was better than port tack. On a beam reach I
think she’d do 7kn or 8kn regularly.

So here’s my thoughts:

I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s
not practical (...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%.

Eventually a new laminate main will 

Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Nat Herreshoff spoke at my YC when I was a kid.  He said he did not believe
in hull speed as a limit.  More sail or more wind equals more speed.
I was doing more than hull speed (7.3) while cruising on a reach last
weekend and have done over 8 knots in flat water with the chute.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> ‎It's theoretical - in real life you can push it a bit!
>
> sam :-)
> *From: *Indigo via CnC-List
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:24 AM
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Reply To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc: *Indigo
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
>
> According to the formula 1.34 x square root of lwl the theoretical max
> speed of my 35mkIII with an lwl of 28ft is 7.06 knots.  I'd love to know
> how to get it going at higher speeds without surfing down the back of a
> wave!!
>
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT
>
> On Aug 25, 2015, at 08:55, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 8 knots in a C&C 26 with no current on a reach with white sails in 12
> knots of wind?   Sounds more like a 30 one design.   Jerry. C&C 27 V J&J.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:15 AM, David Donnelly via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I will preface this by saying I consider myself a beginner hack sailor.
>
> I have often thought about trading my 135 for a 110. The 26 is tender for
> sure and I get plenty of grief from my bride whenever we go past 20
> degrees. I often furl or reef the main when she is on board, and although
> performance increases the more upright we get, pointing is severely
> reduced. My favorite sailplan for over 12 kts is reefed main and full
> genoa. I do think my boat feels right at 20 to 25 degrees hard on the wind.
> I have found a bubble in the main to be faster when the wind picks up.
> Again, a hack playing and watching the speed.
>
> I have a harken traveler and I do have a split and adjustable backstay.
>
> I have never acheived the speeds you get. I saw over 7.3 kts once on the
> display while reaching but as I keep a Navionics log on my tablet as well
> it showed only 6.9 per the gps so I count that as my max speed.
>
> When I get new sails I am getting a 110 and perhaps 2 reefs in my main
> instead of the one I currently have. I think we're on the same page.
>
> David Donnelly
> C&C 26 Mistress
>
> Sent from my Samsung device
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Sam Salter via CnC-List 
> Date: 08-24-2015 8:34 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Sam Salter 
> Subject: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!
>
> I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts on
> optimizing my sail plan.
>
> Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!
>
>
>
> Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought
> we’d play around with the sail plan.
>
> Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I see the occasional
> whitecap it’s around 10kn)
>
>
>
> I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons).
> A Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in
> Vancouver (5 seasons).
>
>
>
> I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken
> traveller; Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster)
>
>
>
> The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating
> to windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel
> a bit. (speed measured with a Speed Puck)
>
> Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the
> spreaders so no interference.
>
> Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up
> to 7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hull speed is 6.2kn) No bubble in
> the luff of the main.
>
> Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard tack
> was better than port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or 8kn
> regularly.
>
>
>
> So here’s my thoughts:
>
> I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s not
> practical (...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%.
>
> Eventually a new laminate main will be needed too!
>
> I’m well pleased with 6+kns at 10kn of wind and 16deg angle of heel. Very
> little weather helm
>
> I’ve not tried it yet with the genoa at 110% in light wind. In heavy air
> the main can still be reefed (...as could the 110%).
>
>
>
> OK guys, am I missing something?
>
> (I’m not looking for advice on where to buy used sails!)
>
>
>
> sam :-)
>
> C&C 26  Liquorice
>
> Ghost Lake  Alberta
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Don't forget that when a boat heels, the waterline may grow, but I still doubt 
the figures quoted. I have never seen that on my (sometimes well sailed) 30!

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sam Salter via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 12:27 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!


  ‎It's theoretical - in real life you can push it a bit! 

  sam :-)
From: Indigo via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Indigo
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! 



  According to the formula 1.34 x square root of lwl the theoretical max speed 
of my 35mkIII with an lwl of 28ft is 7.06 knots.  I'd love to know how to get 
it going at higher speeds without surfing down the back of a wave!!


  --
  Jonathan
  Indigo C&C 35III

  SOUTHPORT CT

  On Aug 25, 2015, at 08:55, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List  
wrote:


8 knots in a C&C 26 with no current on a reach with white sails in 12 knots 
of wind?   Sounds more like a 30 one design.   Jerry. C&C 27 V J&J.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:15 AM, David Donnelly via CnC-List 
 wrote:


  I will preface this by saying I consider myself a beginner hack sailor.


  I have often thought about trading my 135 for a 110. The 26 is tender for 
sure and I get plenty of grief from my bride whenever we go past 20 degrees. I 
often furl or reef the main when she is on board, and although performance 
increases the more upright we get, pointing is severely reduced. My favorite 
sailplan for over 12 kts is reefed main and full genoa. I do think my boat 
feels right at 20 to 25 degrees hard on the wind. I have found a bubble in the 
main to be faster when the wind picks up. Again, a hack playing and watching 
the speed.


  I have a harken traveler and I do have a split and adjustable backstay. 


  I have never acheived the speeds you get. I saw over 7.3 kts once on the 
display while reaching but as I keep a Navionics log on my tablet as well it 
showed only 6.9 per the gps so I count that as my max speed. 


  When I get new sails I am getting a 110 and perhaps 2 reefs in my main 
instead of the one I currently have. I think we're on the same page. 


  David Donnelly 
  C&C 26 Mistress 


  Sent from my Samsung device


   Original message 
  From: Sam Salter via CnC-List  
  Date: 08-24-2015 8:34 PM (GMT-07:00) 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Sam Salter  
  Subject: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! 


  I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts 
on optimizing my sail plan.

  Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!



  Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought 
we’d play around with the sail plan.

  Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I see the occasional 
whitecap it’s around 10kn)



  I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons). 
A Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in 
Vancouver (5 seasons).



  I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken 
traveller; Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster)



  The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating 
to windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel a 
bit. (speed measured with a Speed Puck)

  Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the 
spreaders so no interference.

  Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up 
to 7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hull speed is 6.2kn) No bubble in the 
luff of the main.

  Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard tack 
was better than port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or 8kn 
regularly.



  So here’s my thoughts:

  I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s not 
practical (...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%.

  Eventually a new laminate main will be needed too!

  I’m well pleased with 6+kns at 10kn of wind and 16deg angle of heel. Very 
little weather helm

  I’ve not tried it yet with the genoa at 110% in light wind. In heavy air 
the main can still be reefed (...as could the 110%).



  OK guys, am I missing something?

  (I’m not looking for advice on where to buy used sails!)



  sam :-)

  C&C 26  Liquorice

  Ghost Lake  Alberta



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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

  ‎It's theoretical - in real life you can push it a bit! sam :-)From: Indigo via CnC-ListSent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:24 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: IndigoSubject: Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!According to the formula 1.34 x square root of lwl the theoretical max speed of my 35mkIII with an lwl of 28ft is 7.06 knots.  I'd love to know how to get it going at higher speeds without surfing down the back of a wave!!--JonathanIndigo C&C 35IIISOUTHPORT CTOn Aug 25, 2015, at 08:55, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List  wrote:8 knots in a C&C 26 with no current on a reach with white sails in 12 knots of wind?   Sounds more like a 30 one design.   Jerry. C&C 27 V J&J.  Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 25, 2015, at 12:15 AM, David Donnelly via CnC-List  wrote:

I will preface this by saying I consider myself a beginner hack sailor.I have often thought about trading my 135 for a 110. The 26 is tender for sure and I get plenty of grief from my bride whenever we go past 20 degrees. I often furl or reef the main when she is on board, and although performance increases the more upright we get, pointing is severely reduced. My favorite sailplan for over 12 kts is reefed main and full genoa. I do think my boat feels right at 20 to 25 degrees hard on the wind. I have found a bubble in the main to be faster when the wind picks up. Again, a hack playing and watching the speed.I have a harken traveler and I do have a split and adjustable backstay. I have never acheived the speeds you get. I saw over 7.3 kts once on the display while reaching but as I keep a Navionics log on my tablet as well it showed only 6.9 per the gps so I count that as my max speed. When I get new sails I am getting a 110 and perhaps 2 reefs in my main instead of the one I currently have. I think we're on the same page. David Donnelly C&C 26 Mistress Sent from my Samsung device Original message From: Sam Salter via CnC-List  Date: 08-24-2015  8:34 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Sam Salter  Subject: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts on optimizing my sail plan.Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts! Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought we’d play around with the sail plan.Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I see the occasional whitecap it’s around 10kn) I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons). A Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in Vancouver (5 seasons). I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken traveller; Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster) The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating to windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel a bit. (speed measured with a Speed Puck)Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the spreaders so no interference.Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up to 7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hull speed is 6.2kn) No bubble in the luff of the main.Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard tack was better than port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or 8kn regularly. So here’s my thoughts:I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s not practical (...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%.Eventually a new laminate main will be needed too!I’m well pleased with 6+kns at 10kn of wind and 16deg angle of heel. Very little weather helmI’ve not tried it yet with the genoa at 110% in light wind. In heavy air the main can still be reefed (...as could the 110%). OK guys, am I missing something?(I’m not looking for advice on where to buy used sails!) sam :-)C&C 26  LiquoriceGhost Lake  Alberta ___Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the botto

Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Indigo via CnC-List]

According to the formula 1.34 x square root of lwl the theoretical max speed of 
my 35mkIII with an lwl of 28ft is 7.06 knots.  I'd love to know how to get it 
going at higher speeds without surfing down the back of a wave!!

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Aug 25, 2015, at 08:55, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 8 knots in a C&C 26 with no current on a reach with white sails in 12 knots 
> of wind?   Sounds more like a 30 one design.   Jerry. C&C 27 V J&J.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:15 AM, David Donnelly via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I will preface this by saying I consider myself a beginner hack sailor.
>> 
>> I have often thought about trading my 135 for a 110. The 26 is tender for 
>> sure and I get plenty of grief from my bride whenever we go past 20 degrees. 
>> I often furl or reef the main when she is on board, and although performance 
>> increases the more upright we get, pointing is severely reduced. My favorite 
>> sailplan for over 12 kts is reefed main and full genoa. I do think my boat 
>> feels right at 20 to 25 degrees hard on the wind. I have found a bubble in 
>> the main to be faster when the wind picks up. Again, a hack playing and 
>> watching the speed.
>> 
>> I have a harken traveler and I do have a split and adjustable backstay. 
>> 
>> I have never acheived the speeds you get. I saw over 7.3 kts once on the 
>> display while reaching but as I keep a Navionics log on my tablet as well it 
>> showed only 6.9 per the gps so I count that as my max speed. 
>> 
>> When I get new sails I am getting a 110 and perhaps 2 reefs in my main 
>> instead of the one I currently have. I think we're on the same page. 
>> 
>> David Donnelly 
>> C&C 26 Mistress 
>> 
>> Sent from my Samsung device
>> 
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Sam Salter via CnC-List  
>> Date: 08-24-2015 8:34 PM (GMT-07:00) 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> Cc: Sam Salter  
>> Subject: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! 
>> 
>> I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts on 
>> optimizing my sail plan.
>> 
>> Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought 
>> we’d play around with the sail plan.
>> 
>> Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I see the occasional 
>> whitecap it’s around 10kn)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons). A 
>> Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in 
>> Vancouver (5 seasons).
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken traveller; 
>> Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating to 
>> windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel a 
>> bit. (speed measured with a Speed Puck)
>> 
>> Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the 
>> spreaders so no interference.
>> 
>> Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up to 
>> 7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hull speed is 6.2kn) No bubble in the 
>> luff of the main.
>> 
>> Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard tack was 
>> better than port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or 8kn regularly.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> So here’s my thoughts:
>> 
>> I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s not practical 
>> (...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%.
>> 
>> Eventually a new laminate main will be needed too!
>> 
>> I’m well pleased with 6+kns at 10kn of wind and 16deg angle of heel. Very 
>> little weather helm
>> 
>> I’ve not tried it yet with the genoa at 110% in light wind. In heavy air the 
>> main can still be reefed (...as could the 110%).
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> OK guys, am I missing something?
>> 
>> (I’m not looking for advice on where to buy used sails!)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> sam :-)
>> 
>> C&C 26  Liquorice
>> 
>> Ghost Lake  Alberta
>> 
>>  
>> 
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Re: Stus-List knotmeter malfunction

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

The paddle wheel should turn easily when you blow on it. If it doesn't then you 
may need to clean the socket in which it turns. Bleach helps.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
Currently enjoying the warm clear weather in St Andrews, New Brunswich.

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> On Aug 25, 2015, at 10:52, Gary Nylander via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I get growth in the slot where the little wheel spins. Have done a lot of 
> 'fixes' to make it work, and it is still spotty. I even bought a new wheel... 
> no help. (Nexus)
>  
> Gary
> 30-1
> Weedy mid-Chesapeake
> - Original Message -
> From: Monty Schumpert via CnC-List
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Monty Schumpert
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List knotmeter malfunction
> 
> Joe,
> I had the same symptoms with my knotmeter last week. The boat had been unused 
> for several weeks with the bung installed. I installed the transducer(s) 
> before leaving the dock and the knotmeter read zero until we had covered 
> about 5 miles when it started reading correctly. I assumed there was a 
> build-up of growth in front of the paddlewheel, and it performed fine for the 
> rest of the trip.
> 
> Monty
> Scandia
> 1991 C&C 34+
> Annapolos, MD
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Coquina just got hauled this morning. Now I can go over and see why my 
>> knotmeter reads 0 underway, but if I pull the impellor out and spin it the 
>> readings are good. Any ideas why the paddlewheel spins freely in my hand but 
>> not in the water???
>> 
>> BTW – the diver that cleaned my bottom said now I had 3 different colors of 
>> paint showing maybe it was time for more LOL. The last time I painted I did 
>> one blue layer and one red layer over black original. It seems to have 
>> ablated itself right off the boat.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Joe Della Barba
>> 
>> Coquina
>> 
>> C&C 35 MK I
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List knotmeter malfunction

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I get growth in the slot where the little wheel spins. Have done a lot of 
'fixes' to make it work, and it is still spotty. I even bought a new wheel... 
no help. (Nexus)

Gary
30-1 
Weedy mid-Chesapeake
  - Original Message - 
  From: Monty Schumpert via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Monty Schumpert 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:45 AM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List knotmeter malfunction


  Joe,

  I had the same symptoms with my knotmeter last week. The boat had been unused 
for several weeks with the bung installed. I installed the transducer(s) before 
leaving the dock and the knotmeter read zero until we had covered about 5 miles 
when it started reading correctly. I assumed there was a build-up of growth in 
front of the paddlewheel, and it performed fine for the rest of the trip.


  Monty

  Scandia
  1991 C&C 34+

  Annapolos, MD



  On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Coquina just got hauled this morning. Now I can go over and see why my 
knotmeter reads 0 underway, but if I pull the impellor out and spin it the 
readings are good. Any ideas why the paddlewheel spins freely in my hand but 
not in the water???

BTW – the diver that cleaned my bottom said now I had 3 different colors of 
paint showing maybe it was time for more LOL. The last time I painted I did one 
blue layer and one red layer over black original. It seems to have ablated 
itself right off the boat.



Joe Della Barba

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I


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Re: Stus-List knotmeter malfunction

[Monty Schumpert via CnC-List]

Joe,
I had the same symptoms with my knotmeter last week. The boat had been
unused for several weeks with the bung installed. I installed the
transducer(s) before leaving the dock and the knotmeter read zero until we
had covered about 5 miles when it started reading correctly. I assumed
there was a build-up of growth in front of the paddlewheel, and it
performed fine for the rest of the trip.

Monty
Scandia
1991 C&C 34+
Annapolos, MD

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Coquina just got hauled this morning. Now I can go over and see why my
> knotmeter reads 0 underway, but if I pull the impellor out and spin it the
> readings are good. Any ideas why the paddlewheel spins freely in my hand
> but not in the water???
>
> BTW – the diver that cleaned my bottom said now I had 3 different colors
> of paint showing maybe it was time for more LOL. The last time I painted I
> did one blue layer and one red layer over black original. It seems to have
> ablated itself right off the boat.
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
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Re: Stus-List knotmeter malfunction

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

It is a Standard-Horizon SL1. The paddlewheel is a ball that does not have a 
right or wrong way. I went by the yard and it spins freely and sticks out the 
right amount. I am totally puzzled at this point. The only thing I can think of 
is there was some fouling on the bottom in just the right spot to block it and 
the yard washed the bottom so it was gone when I got there.
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

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Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 8:03 PM
To: C&C List
Cc: Gary Russell
Subject: Re: Stus-List knotmeter malfunction

Joe,
 What kind brand of knot meter?
Gary
S/V Expresso

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On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Coquina just got hauled this morning. Now I can go over and see why my 
knotmeter reads 0 underway, but if I pull the impellor out and spin it the 
readings are good. Any ideas why the paddlewheel spins freely in my hand but 
not in the water???
BTW – the diver that cleaned my bottom said now I had 3 different colors of 
paint showing maybe it was time for more LOL. The last time I painted I did one 
blue layer and one red layer over black original. It seems to have ablated 
itself right off the boat.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

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Re: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts!

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

8 knots in a C&C 26 with no current on a reach with white sails in 12 knots of 
wind?   Sounds more like a 30 one design.   Jerry. C&C 27 V J&J.  

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> On Aug 25, 2015, at 12:15 AM, David Donnelly via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I will preface this by saying I consider myself a beginner hack sailor.
> 
> I have often thought about trading my 135 for a 110. The 26 is tender for 
> sure and I get plenty of grief from my bride whenever we go past 20 degrees. 
> I often furl or reef the main when she is on board, and although performance 
> increases the more upright we get, pointing is severely reduced. My favorite 
> sailplan for over 12 kts is reefed main and full genoa. I do think my boat 
> feels right at 20 to 25 degrees hard on the wind. I have found a bubble in 
> the main to be faster when the wind picks up. Again, a hack playing and 
> watching the speed.
> 
> I have a harken traveler and I do have a split and adjustable backstay. 
> 
> I have never acheived the speeds you get. I saw over 7.3 kts once on the 
> display while reaching but as I keep a Navionics log on my tablet as well it 
> showed only 6.9 per the gps so I count that as my max speed. 
> 
> When I get new sails I am getting a 110 and perhaps 2 reefs in my main 
> instead of the one I currently have. I think we're on the same page. 
> 
> David Donnelly 
> C&C 26 Mistress 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung device
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Sam Salter via CnC-List  
> Date: 08-24-2015 8:34 PM (GMT-07:00) 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Sam Salter  
> Subject: Stus-List C&C 26 Sail Plan Thoughts! 
> 
> I know there’s a few 26 owners on here so thought I’d share my thoughts on 
> optimizing my sail plan.
> 
> Jump in anyone, I’m open to any thoughts!
> 
>  
> 
> Was out sailing today, only boat on the lake – I love that! So I thought we’d 
> play around with the sail plan.
> 
> Wind was 8kn -12kn. (Estimate – I usually think if I see the occasional 
> whitecap it’s around 10kn)
> 
>  
> 
> I have a 135% laminate genoa from Evolution Sails in Toronto (2 seasons). A 
> Dacron main with 2 full and 2 partial battens from Leiche & McBride in 
> Vancouver (5 seasons).
> 
>  
> 
> I have a flexofold prop; 4-1 outhaul; Garhauer genoa cars; Harken traveller; 
> Cunningham; Garhauer ridged vang; (no backstay adjuster)
> 
>  
> 
> The C&C 26 is a tender boat and we were doing about 5.5kn to 6kn beating to 
> windward at 20deg – 25deg heel. Flattening with the outhaul reduced heel a 
> bit. (speed measured with a Speed Puck)
> 
> Furled the genoa to about 110%. Just brought the leech forward of the 
> spreaders so no interference.
> 
> Boat stood up to 13deg to 16deg. Speed was between 5.8kn – 6.4kn. Went up to 
> 7kn or 8kn in the puffs (theoretical hull speed is 6.2kn) No bubble in the 
> luff of the main.
> 
> Obviously, the furled genoa wasn’t setting great and the starboard tack was 
> better than port tack. On a beam reach I think she’d do 7kn or 8kn regularly.
> 
>  
> 
> So here’s my thoughts:
> 
> I’m thinking of getting the genoa recut to a 110% or if that’s not practical 
> (...and I suspect it isn’t) order a new 110%.
> 
> Eventually a new laminate main will be needed too!
> 
> I’m well pleased with 6+kns at 10kn of wind and 16deg angle of heel. Very 
> little weather helm
> 
> I’ve not tried it yet with the genoa at 110% in light wind. In heavy air the 
> main can still be reefed (...as could the 110%).
> 
>  
> 
> OK guys, am I missing something?
> 
> (I’m not looking for advice on where to buy used sails!)
> 
>  
> 
> sam :-)
> 
> C&C 26  Liquorice
> 
> Ghost Lake  Alberta
> 
>  
> 
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