Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

You should be able to install the apps on to whatever devices your google
account is linked to.  Just go to the app store and select "my apps".  In
retrospect i wish i had purchased my boating apps on an account which was
common between my wife and i.  As it stands now she would have to buy the
apps or i would have to sync my personal account to her device.  This might
be a good time for you to consider creating a special Gmail account just
for the boat.  That way all of the google services can be segregated to the
boat and shared or unshared to other devices simply by adding that
account.  (Apps, Drive, email, blogs, youtube, etc.)

Josh
On Sep 10, 2015 6:44 AM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> OK, so I downloaded MX mariner for $15, the maps are free after that, and
> navionics for $10, maps seemed to come with the install,  last night onto
> the Samsung galaxy 3.  So far, they both look great.  I believe I can get
> these onto the G Tab for no extra cost now.  So, I think I'm going to try
> that next.
>
> DannyOn Sep 9, 2015 2:17 PM, David via CnC-List 
> wrote:
> >
> > Kevin,
> >
> > Great suggestion on Boat Beacon.  Just downloaded it.  Thanks!
> >
> > David F. Risch
> > (401) 419-4650 (cell)
> >
> >
> > 
> > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 16:31:20 +
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?
> > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > CC: kevindrisc...@gmail.com
> >
> > + 1 for MX Mariner. I have been using it on my 7" android tablet and
> Android Phone for 3 years in tights spots and up and down the Oregon + Wa
> Coasts and in the San Juans. I also have Navionics on both devices for
> redundancy and with have charts downloaded on both. These apps send me
> notification and/or automatically update charts whenever new NOAA
> information is available (a huge plus for safety imo.) Active Captain is
> also integral with both apps. MX Mariner is free, I believe Navionics was
> $20 for charts of all of Northern CA, Oregon, Washington and San Juans. HD
> Navionics was $50-60 as mentioned, but normal fidelity was fine on my 7"
> Tablet.
> >
> > Additionally I have an app called Boat Beacon which sends(with your MMSI
> #) and receives AIS info. It does this only when connected to cell service
> (when I need real AIS, I'll buy it.) I do also have an old handheld GPS
> (with outdated charts... like nearly all non wifi enabled
> GPS/Chartplotters)
> >
> > If I were you Danny, I would load up your android tablet, and one or two
> phones with apps/charts as a back up for the delivery. IMO the dongles,
> bluetooth adapters etc, add complexity and expense and seem like an obvious
> weak link in the system to me, as well as the battery drain, and not having
> the plotter/laptop in the cockpit. The apps will always be cheaper than
> additional hardware. But you can worry about that or not, when you get your
> boat home! BTW, you'll find that most delivery skippers only use a Tablet
> with Navionics because they can't trust the systems on the boats they are
> delivering. And a plug for one of the only boats/blogs that are really out
> there doing real sailing and not island hopping: s/v Sila, who has been
> using iPad Tablets successfully for years now, including around Cape Horn
> and a number of oceanic crossings. My 2 cents.
> >
> > Congratulations on your (almost) new boat Danny!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:16 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have been using an old IBM Thinkpad and OpenCPN for years and it all
> works great. You get spoiled and “real” marine chartplotters seem quite
> lacking. OpenCPN is free and all the charts are free too.
> >>
> >> The only drawbacks are that a laptop is NOT anywhere close to
> waterproof, it isn’t in the cockpit, and they draw more power than a
> plotter. My old beast draws around 4-5 amps.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 6:00 PM
> >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> >> Cc: Joel Aronson
> >>
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Download  OpenCPn, the currents plug in and the charts, add the GPS
> dongle and buy a 12v power supply on Amazon.  $50 should cover the dongle
> and power supply - assuming you have a cigaretee lighter/12v power outlet.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Joel
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015, jtsails via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Danny,
> >>
> >> the only GPS I carry on my boat is a small handheld garmin, I just
> don’t see the need for a big chartplotter. I’ve chartered boats that had
> them several times, but even then I found that I only used my handheld to
> navigate with since I am familiar and comfortable with it. Most of the
> time, in my home waters I don’t even use the handheld but I’ve 

Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

OK, so I downloaded MX mariner for $15, the maps are free after that, and 
navionics for $10, maps seemed to come with the install,  last night onto the 
Samsung galaxy 3.  So far, they both look great.  I believe I can get these 
onto the G Tab for no extra cost now.  So, I think I'm going to try that next.

DannyOn Sep 9, 2015 2:17 PM, David via CnC-List  wrote:
>
> Kevin,
>
> Great suggestion on Boat Beacon.  Just downloaded it.  Thanks!
>
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> 
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 16:31:20 +
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: kevindrisc...@gmail.com
>
> + 1 for MX Mariner. I have been using it on my 7" android tablet and Android 
> Phone for 3 years in tights spots and up and down the Oregon + Wa Coasts and 
> in the San Juans. I also have Navionics on both devices for redundancy and 
> with have charts downloaded on both. These apps send me notification and/or 
> automatically update charts whenever new NOAA information is available (a 
> huge plus for safety imo.) Active Captain is also integral with both apps. MX 
> Mariner is free, I believe Navionics was $20 for charts of all of Northern 
> CA, Oregon, Washington and San Juans. HD Navionics was $50-60 as mentioned, 
> but normal fidelity was fine on my 7" Tablet.
>
> Additionally I have an app called Boat Beacon which sends(with your MMSI #) 
> and receives AIS info. It does this only when connected to cell service (when 
> I need real AIS, I'll buy it.) I do also have an old handheld GPS (with 
> outdated charts... like nearly all non wifi enabled GPS/Chartplotters) 
>
> If I were you Danny, I would load up your android tablet, and one or two 
> phones with apps/charts as a back up for the delivery. IMO the dongles, 
> bluetooth adapters etc, add complexity and expense and seem like an obvious 
> weak link in the system to me, as well as the battery drain, and not having 
> the plotter/laptop in the cockpit. The apps will always be cheaper than 
> additional hardware. But you can worry about that or not, when you get your 
> boat home! BTW, you'll find that most delivery skippers only use a Tablet 
> with Navionics because they can't trust the systems on the boats they are 
> delivering. And a plug for one of the only boats/blogs that are really out 
> there doing real sailing and not island hopping: s/v Sila, who has been using 
> iPad Tablets successfully for years now, including around Cape Horn and a 
> number of oceanic crossings. My 2 cents. 
>
> Congratulations on your (almost) new boat Danny!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:16 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>>
>> I have been using an old IBM Thinkpad and OpenCPN for years and it all works 
>> great. You get spoiled and “real” marine chartplotters seem quite lacking. 
>> OpenCPN is free and all the charts are free too.
>>
>> The only drawbacks are that a laptop is NOT anywhere close to waterproof, it 
>> isn’t in the cockpit, and they draw more power than a plotter. My old beast 
>> draws around 4-5 amps.
>>
>>  
>>
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
>> Aronson via CnC-List
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 6:00 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Joel Aronson
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Download  OpenCPn, the currents plug in and the charts, add the GPS dongle 
>> and buy a 12v power supply on Amazon.  $50 should cover the dongle and power 
>> supply - assuming you have a cigaretee lighter/12v power outlet.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015, jtsails via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Danny,
>>
>> the only GPS I carry on my boat is a small handheld garmin, I just don’t see 
>> the need for a big chartplotter. I’ve chartered boats that had them several 
>> times, but even then I found that I only used my handheld to navigate with 
>> since I am familiar and comfortable with it. Most of the time, in my home 
>> waters I don’t even use the handheld but I’ve sailed this area for 40+ years 
>> and probably know the waters more accurately than the chart plotter anyway. 
>> I can’t count the number of times I see people stuck on sandbars because 
>> they followed the GPS instead of the marks!
>>
>>  
>>
>> James
>>
>> Delaney
>>
>> 1976 C 38
>>
>> Oriental, NC
>>
>>  
>>
>> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 5:19 PM
>>
>> To: C List
>>
>> Cc: Josh Muckley
>>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yes, it is a great option for the cost conscious.  The NOAA website has all 
>> of their charts available in vector and raster formats.  They also have 
>> links to free and paid software for viewing the charts.  You'll need to 
>> provide a GPS input.  There are lots of options (long term 

Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter? Now Anchor Alarms

[Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List]

I tried Drag Queen after hearing good reviews. I found a free one called 
Anchor Lite that I like a whole lot better.


Bill Bina

On 9/9/2015 1:47 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote:


Drag Queen for both by Active Captain

Bill Coleman

C 39  Erie PA

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
*Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 09, 2015 1:06 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Kevin Driscoll
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?

Which brings up another topic...anchor alarm apps for phone or tablet! 
There are many available and they do not use any power and do not need 
to be connected to cell service! (Though your plotter is probably 
fairly efficient Andrew)





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Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?

[Juno via CnC-List]

good thought...  wish I had thought of that about 8 hours ago...lol
DJH
On Josh Muckley via CnC-List , Sep 10, 2015 7:18 AM wrote:You should be able to install the apps on to whatever devices your google account is linked to.  Just go to the app store and select "my apps".  In retrospect i wish i had purchased my boating apps on an account which was common between my wife and i.  As it stands now she would have to buy the apps or i would have to sync my personal account to her device.  This might be a good time for you to consider creating a special Gmail account just for the boat.  That way all of the google services can be segregated to the boat and shared or unshared to other devices simply by adding that account.  (Apps, Drive, email, blogs, youtube, etc.)
Josh 
On Sep 10, 2015 6:44 AM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List"  wrote:OK, so I downloaded MX mariner for $15, the maps are free after that, and navionics for $10, maps seemed to come with the install,  last night onto the Samsung galaxy 3.  So far, they both look great.  I believe I can get these onto the G Tab for no extra cost now.  So, I think I'm going to try that next.

DannyOn Sep 9, 2015 2:17 PM, David via CnC-List  wrote:
>
> Kevin,
>
> Great suggestion on Boat Beacon.  Just downloaded it.  Thanks!
>
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> 
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 16:31:20 +
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: kevindrisc...@gmail.com
>
> + 1 for MX Mariner. I have been using it on my 7" android tablet and Android Phone for 3 years in tights spots and up and down the Oregon + Wa Coasts and in the San Juans. I also have Navionics on both devices for redundancy and with have charts downloaded on both. These apps send me notification and/or automatically update charts whenever new NOAA information is available (a huge plus for safety imo.) Active Captain is also integral with both apps. MX Mariner is free, I believe Navionics was $20 for charts of all of Northern CA, Oregon, Washington and San Juans. HD Navionics was $50-60 as mentioned, but normal fidelity was fine on my 7" Tablet.
>
> Additionally I have an app called Boat Beacon which sends(with your MMSI #) and receives AIS info. It does this only when connected to cell service (when I need real AIS, I'll buy it.) I do also have an old handheld GPS (with outdated charts... like nearly all non wifi enabled GPS/Chartplotters) 
>
> If I were you Danny, I would load up your android tablet, and one or two phones with apps/charts as a back up for the delivery. IMO the dongles, bluetooth adapters etc, add complexity and expense and seem like an obvious weak link in the system to me, as well as the battery drain, and not having the plotter/laptop in the cockpit. The apps will always be cheaper than additional hardware. But you can worry about that or not, when you get your boat home! BTW, you'll find that most delivery skippers only use a Tablet with Navionics because they can't trust the systems on the boats they are delivering. And a plug for one of the only boats/blogs that are really out there doing real sailing and not island hopping: s/v Sila, who has been using iPad Tablets successfully for years now, including around Cape Horn and a number of oceanic crossings. My 2 cents. 
>
> Congratulations on your (almost) new boat Danny!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:16 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  wrote:
>>
>> I have been using an old IBM Thinkpad and OpenCPN for years and it all works great. You get spoiled and “real” marine chartplotters seem quite lacking. OpenCPN is free and all the charts are free too.
>>
>> The only drawbacks are that a laptop is NOT anywhere close to waterproof, it isn’t in the cockpit, and they draw more power than a plotter. My old beast draws around 4-5 amps.
>>
>>  
>>
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 6:00 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Joel Aronson
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Download  OpenCPn, the currents plug in and the charts, add the GPS dongle and buy a 12v power supply on Amazon.  $50 should cover the dongle and power supply - assuming you have a cigaretee lighter/12v power outlet.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Joel
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015, jtsails via CnC-List  wrote:
>>
>> Danny,
>>
>> the only GPS I carry on my boat is a small handheld garmin, I just don’t see the need for a big chartplotter. I’ve chartered boats that had them several times, but even then I found that I only used my handheld to navigate with since I am familiar and comfortable with it. Most of the time, in my home waters I don’t even use the 

Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter? Now Anchor Alarms

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Drag Queen is also free.

 

I suppose it's a matter of preference, and that newer software may be an
improvement over something as old as Drag Queen (which is probably 4 or 5
years old), but it is the app I rely on. I particularly like the ability to
set a radius from your anchor at which the alarm goes off.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina
- gmail via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 8:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Bina - gmail 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter? Now Anchor Alarms

 

I tried Drag Queen after hearing good reviews. I found a free one called
Anchor Lite that I like a whole lot better.

Bill Bina

On 9/9/2015 1:47 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote:

Drag Queen for both by Active Captain

 

 

Bill Coleman

C 39  Erie PA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Driscoll via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 1:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Kevin Driscoll
Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?

 

Which brings up another topic...anchor alarm apps for phone or tablet! There
are many available and they do not use any power and do not need to be
connected to cell service! (Though your plotter is probably fairly efficient
Andrew)

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Just saw this open source plotter:

http://www.sailoog.com/en/openplotter

Have not tried it.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Juno via CnC-List 
wrote:

> good thought...  wish I had thought of that about 8 hours ago...lol
>
> DJH
> On Josh Muckley via CnC-List , Sep 10, 2015 7:18
> AM wrote:
>
> You should be able to install the apps on to whatever devices your google
> account is linked to.  Just go to the app store and select "my apps".  In
> retrospect i wish i had purchased my boating apps on an account which was
> common between my wife and i.  As it stands now she would have to buy the
> apps or i would have to sync my personal account to her device.  This might
> be a good time for you to consider creating a special Gmail account just
> for the boat.  That way all of the google services can be segregated to the
> boat and shared or unshared to other devices simply by adding that
> account.  (Apps, Drive, email, blogs, youtube, etc.)
>
> Josh
> On Sep 10, 2015 6:44 AM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, so I downloaded MX mariner for $15, the maps are free after that, and
>> navionics for $10, maps seemed to come with the install,  last night onto
>> the Samsung galaxy 3.  So far, they both look great.  I believe I can get
>> these onto the G Tab for no extra cost now.  So, I think I'm going to try
>> that next.
>>
>> DannyOn Sep 9, 2015 2:17 PM, David via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Kevin,
>> >
>> > Great suggestion on Boat Beacon.  Just downloaded it.  Thanks!
>> >
>> > David F. Risch
>> > (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 16:31:20 +
>> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?
>> > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> > CC: kevindrisc...@gmail.com
>> >
>> > + 1 for MX Mariner. I have been using it on my 7" android tablet and
>> Android Phone for 3 years in tights spots and up and down the Oregon + Wa
>> Coasts and in the San Juans. I also have Navionics on both devices for
>> redundancy and with have charts downloaded on both. These apps send me
>> notification and/or automatically update charts whenever new NOAA
>> information is available (a huge plus for safety imo.) Active Captain is
>> also integral with both apps. MX Mariner is free, I believe Navionics was
>> $20 for charts of all of Northern CA, Oregon, Washington and San Juans. HD
>> Navionics was $50-60 as mentioned, but normal fidelity was fine on my 7"
>> Tablet.
>> >
>> > Additionally I have an app called Boat Beacon which sends(with your
>> MMSI #) and receives AIS info. It does this only when connected to cell
>> service (when I need real AIS, I'll buy it.) I do also have an old handheld
>> GPS (with outdated charts... like nearly all non wifi enabled
>> GPS/Chartplotters)
>> >
>> > If I were you Danny, I would load up your android tablet, and one or
>> two phones with apps/charts as a back up for the delivery. IMO the dongles,
>> bluetooth adapters etc, add complexity and expense and seem like an obvious
>> weak link in the system to me, as well as the battery drain, and not having
>> the plotter/laptop in the cockpit. The apps will always be cheaper than
>> additional hardware. But you can worry about that or not, when you get your
>> boat home! BTW, you'll find that most delivery skippers only use a Tablet
>> with Navionics because they can't trust the systems on the boats they are
>> delivering. And a plug for one of the only boats/blogs that are really out
>> there doing real sailing and not island hopping: s/v Sila, who has been
>> using iPad Tablets successfully for years now, including around Cape Horn
>> and a number of oceanic crossings. My 2 cents.
>> >
>> > Congratulations on your (almost) new boat Danny!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:16 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have been using an old IBM Thinkpad and OpenCPN for years and it all
>> works great. You get spoiled and “real” marine chartplotters seem quite
>> lacking. OpenCPN is free and all the charts are free too.
>> >>
>> >> The only drawbacks are that a laptop is NOT anywhere close to
>> waterproof, it isn’t in the cockpit, and they draw more power than a
>> plotter. My old beast draws around 4-5 amps.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
>> Joel Aronson via CnC-List
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 6:00 PM
>> >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> >> Cc: Joel Aronson
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Download  OpenCPn, the currents plug in and the charts, add the GPS
>> dongle and buy a 12v power supply on Amazon.  $50 should cover the dongle
>> and power supply - assuming you have a cigaretee lighter/12v power outlet.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Joel
>> >>
>> >> On 

Re: Stus-List C Interior Wood Veneer - mid 80's

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

The veneer is definitely teak. The colour you have to match to will depend
on how your original teak has aged. If someone has applied teak oil every
year since new, the wood will be really dark. I have avoided teak oil, and
it seems the previous owners did much the same, and our teak is quite light.
We have a guy at our local Ace Hardware who is a whiz at matching stain
colours, if you took in some of your existing wood and some new veneer to a
good mixer he/she should be able to get it pretty close.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 9 September 2015 at 14:30, Jonathan Boocock via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It is time to refresh the interior of my 1986 44 and I have a section that
> I would like to re-veneer. Does anyone know what the wood veneer is on the
> mid 80's C's?
> Is it teak or some kind of mahogany?
> The best match I have found is the Teak Veneer Quartered from Oakwood
> Veneers.
> http://www.oakwoodveneer.com/veneers/teak-veneer.html
> I have tried the Watco Danish Oil Cherry as a color match as a lister
> recommended some time ago and it seems to be a pretty good match for my
> boat.
> Any help from someone who has worked on their wood interior would be
> appreciated.
>
> Jon
> C 44
> Mor' Childs Play
> Kingston, ON
>
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Re: Stus-List Water tank x-connect

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

So after some further investigation, all the tanks lead to a 4-way junction
below the floor board access at the bottom of the companionway stairs.
There are no valves or other separations between the three tanks.  The 4th
leg of the junction goes to a valve and then to one of the galley sink
"faucets".

I still don't get it.  I guess the PO had a use for it all.  Here I was
thinking that there was a good engineering reason for tying the tanks
together.

It's gone now.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Sep 9, 2015 12:14 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:

> Rick,
>
> Thanks for the response.  I guess I'm not communicating my setup very
> well.  I have a standard deck fill dedicated for each tank.  Each tank also
> has a vent which exits the hull of the boat below the respective deck
> fill.  I also have an outlet which goes to a 4 valve manifold and then to
> the suction side of the fresh water pump.  This way I can select which tank
> to use (take suction from).  All of this seems pretty normal and makes
> plenty of sense.  The last part is where the confusion begins.  Each tank
> has a fitting near the top and a pipe that is the same size as the vent and
> outlet.  All of the tanks are connected solely to one another via this
> fitting and pipe.  Since the pipe is routed down and under it creates a
> u-bend or trap between the tanks.  If the water level in a tank is less
> than the height of this cross connect fitting then water is not cross
> connected.  If, on the other hand the tank is full then it will "overflow"
> through the cross connect u-bend to one of the other tanks.
>
> Josh
> On Sep 9, 2015 11:01 AM, "Rick Brass via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> As far as I can see, the only problem with not cross connecting the water
>> tanks would be the resulting complexity of your fresh water system and the
>> need to get access to all the valves every time you want to change tanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> You will need a line from each tank to the inlet of your fresh water
>> pressure pump, and to each of the foot pumps on your boat. In addition, you
>> would want to put a selector valve on the inlet of each pump – though I
>> suppose you could use the water shutoff valve at the outlet of each tank to
>> shut off the tank and isolate it from the rest of the water system. If you
>> don’t put in some sort of valve to stop flow from the tank you do not
>> intend to use to the pump, your tanks will still be cross connected; water
>> will flow from the tank which is more full to the tank with the lower water
>> level at through the connection just before the pump inlet.
>>
>>
>>
>> My 38 has 2 40 gallon tanks – one under each settee. There is a separate
>> fill and vent for each. There is a shutoff valve in the outlet for each.
>> Then water flows through a ½” hose to a “T” fitting under the cabin sole.
>> The other two ½” hoses go forward and back to the sinks. The hose to the
>> sink in the head forward goes to a foot pump. The line to the galley sink
>> is the supply to the fresh water pressure pump, and also to the foot pump.
>>
>>
>>
>> The cross connection is down in the bilge, so even when heeled with
>> mostly empty tanks the water in the tanks is above the suction line to the
>> pump. If you are using only one tank, that tank is mostly empty, and the
>> boat is heeled to that side, there is at least the possibility that there
>> would not be water flow to the inlet of the water pump. Drawing water from
>> the low side of the boat is not necessarily a bad thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> As far as filling all tanks from a single deck fill, the would be true in
>> theory. But the cross connect through a ½” hose like mine would take a long
>> time. The water into the deck fill through the garden hose would be a heck
>> of a lot more than the gravity fed ½” connection could carry.
>>
>>
>>
>> All that said, there are times when you might want to keep one tank dry.
>> I have 5 heavy batteries and a fair bit of added cabinetwork on the port
>> side of my boat. Hence the boat rests with about a 2 degree list to port. I
>> hit upon the idea of not using the port water tank the last time the tanks
>> ran down, and shut off the valve on the outlet of the tank. That way the
>> weight of the water in the starboard tank will offset some of the weight of
>> the stuff to port, which took care of most of the list, and having only 40
>> gaallons of water is not much of a problem when not cruising.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Brass
>>
>> Washington, NC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh
>> Muckley via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 08, 2015 2:55 PM
>> *To:* C List 
>> *Cc:* Josh Muckley 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Water tank x-connect
>>
>>
>>
>> So I'm doing some water tank work and I've confirmed what I already
>> suspected.  My tanks are cross vented to one another through a low point

Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Jim -- I'm pretty sure I can get the Simrad/Lowrance network parts from one of 
my vendors.

-- Fred



> On Sep 10, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fred,
>  
> It’s a good thought, I will trace that back.  One of the ends has to be the 
> wind transducer, which has an integral terminator in the B world.  I did 
> not open up the displays to see where the terminator is on the other end 
> though.  I assume it is at the helm on either the Zeus or one of the Tritons, 
> but I should confirm it. 
>  
> I understand what you are saying about mixing vendors.  The backbone is 
> Lowrance, the brand Simrad uses for their NMEA parts for some reason.  I 
> really wanted to find Simrad/Lowrance connectors to go with the T connector, 
> but could never locate a source or even a part number.   I am wondering where 
> there installers get them, or if they have access to things I don’t.  Thanks 
> for the reply.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Jim
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
>  
> 
> From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:48 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Frederick G Street
> Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
>  
>  
> Jim — is the backbone properly terminated after your addition?  There needs 
> to be a terminator at either end of the backbone, after the final “T” for 
> equipment spurs.
>  
> Hopefully the “network” line you cut into is the backbone cable, not a spur.
>  
> In this instance, you’d have been far better to use all the same type of 
> cable/connectors as the existing backbone, then use an adapter cable to go to 
> the VHF as needed.  If the existing NMEA2k network was Maretron, for example, 
> disconnect the backbone at the location closest to the VHF, put in a Maretron 
> “T” and another backbone cable to where you broke it; then a Simrad to NMEA2k 
> adapter spur to the VHF.
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>  
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>  
> Joel,
>  
> Thanks for the reply.
>  
> With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source 
> available on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio 
> does not see the 2000 network.
>  
> Jim
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
>  
> 
> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Joel Aronson
> Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
>  
>  
> Manual says:
>  
> This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to receive GPS data 
> from a
> compatible GPS unit.
> Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the 
> actual source
> name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is 
> operational.
> RADIO SETUP
> WX ALERT ▲
> COM PORT
> ►GPS SOURCE
> FAV CH SETU
> GPS SOURCE
> ►NMEA0183
> LGC3000
> LCX113CHD
> 1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol 
> available on
> your vessel, only that will be shown).
> 2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.
>  
>  
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> Hello All,
>  
> Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his 
> existing B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus 
> Touch 7 MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected 
> via NMEA 2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place 
> to tap into an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line 
> running close to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable 
> connectors, a premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not 
> find Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the 
> new connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code 
> on the connectors matched the colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good 
> to go.  When I hook things back up, the existing instruments work fine, but 
> the new radio is not seen by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  
> Since the existing stuff all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are 
> connected in the same positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose 
> all the transducers.   
>  
> I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or Simrad 
> B uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one specified by 
> NMEA, which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using one from my 
> boat, but can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for me?  Any other 
> ideas about what to check?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Jim Reinardy
> C 30-2 “Firewater”
> Milwaukee, WI
>  
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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Fred,

I will be doing some more troubleshooting this weekend and if I can’t get it 
solved, I will likely come looking for those.  Sorry, I didn’t realize you had 
contacts there, I think of you as a Raymarine guy for instruments.

Jim

Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 4:44 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling


Jim -- I'm pretty sure I can get the Simrad/Lowrance network parts from one of 
my vendors.

-- Fred


On Sep 10, 2015, at 3:02 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List  
wrote:
Fred,
 
It’s a good thought, I will trace that back.  One of the ends has to be the 
wind transducer, which has an integral terminator in the B world.  I did not 
open up the displays to see where the terminator is on the other end though.  I 
assume it is at the helm on either the Zeus or one of the Tritons, but I should 
confirm it.  
 
I understand what you are saying about mixing vendors.  The backbone is 
Lowrance, the brand Simrad uses for their NMEA parts for some reason.  I really 
wanted to find Simrad/Lowrance connectors to go with the T connector, but could 
never locate a source or even a part number.   I am wondering where there 
installers get them, or if they have access to things I don’t.  Thanks for the 
reply.
 
Regards,
 
Jim
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 

From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
 
 
Jim — is the backbone properly terminated after your addition?  There needs to 
be a terminator at either end of the backbone, after the final “T” for 
equipment spurs.
 
Hopefully the “network” line you cut into is the backbone cable, not a spur.
 
In this instance, you’d have been far better to use all the same type of 
cable/connectors as the existing backbone, then use an adapter cable to go to 
the VHF as needed.  If the existing NMEA2k network was Maretron, for example, 
disconnect the backbone at the location closest to the VHF, put in a Maretron 
“T” and another backbone cable to where you broke it; then a Simrad to NMEA2k 
adapter spur to the VHF.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
 
On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List  
wrote:
 
Joel,
 
Thanks for the reply.
 
With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source available 
on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio does not see 
the 2000 network.
 
Jim
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
 
 
Manual says:
 
This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to receive GPS data 
from a
compatible GPS unit.
Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the actual 
source
name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is operational.
RADIO SETUP
WX ALERT ▲
COM PORT
►GPS SOURCE
FAV CH SETU
GPS SOURCE
►NMEA0183
LGC3000
LCX113CHD
1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol 
available on
your vessel, only that will be shown).
2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.
 
 
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Hello All,
 
Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his existing 
B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus Touch 7 
MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected via NMEA 
2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place to tap into 
an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line running close 
to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable connectors, a 
premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not find 
Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the new 
connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code on 
the connectors matched the colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good to 
go.  When I hook things back up, the existing instruments work fine, but the 
new radio is not seen by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  Since 
the existing stuff all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are connected 
in the same positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose all the 
transducers.   
 
I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or Simrad B 
uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one specified by NMEA, 
which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using one from my boat, but 
can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for me?  Any other ideas about 
what to check?
 
Thanks,
 
Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 “Firewater”

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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

My vendor is brand-agnostic...   :^)

-- Fred



> On Sep 10, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I didn’t realize you had contacts there, I think of you as a Raymarine 
> guy for instruments.

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Re: Stus-List Harken roller furler failure

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Oops, Intended for Frank, not spam for everyone else...

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:56 PM Kevin Driscoll 
wrote:

> Frank,
>
> If Mark doesn't go for that MK I swivel, I would love to have it. I am in
> Portland. We haven't met, but I race regularly on the J42 Velocity and
> occasionally on other boats. My wife and I also have a 30-2 "Osprey" at
> PYC.
>
> Thanks!
> Kevin
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:54 PM N7FN--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hold on Mark,
>>
>> I have an old Mk I swivel that you can have for the postage, shipping and
>> handling.
>> A lot less than $175 but I am on the West Coast.
>>
>> Interested?
>>
>> Frank
>> S/V Cool Change
>> C LF 38, S/N: 001
>> Rose City Yacht Club
>> Portland, Oregon
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Re: Stus-List Harken roller furler failure

[N7FN--- via CnC-List]

Hold on Mark,

I have an old Mk I swivel that you can have for the postage, shipping and 
handling.
A lot less than $175 but I am on the West Coast.

Interested?

Frank
S/V Cool Change
C LF 38, S/N: 001
Rose City Yacht Club
Portland, Oregon
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Stus-List mast step on 1985 C 37

[Mike Fulmor via CnC-List]

Hi All, I'm new to the list, as my 37 is a new boat to me.  C's are not
too common out west here, this one was trucked from Maryland last summer.

 

Just splashed her after some 5 years on the hard, just about to try starting
the engine tomorrow, even though I'm sure the tank is full of algae.  The
racor was full of black jello, but the fuel coming in from the tank after
the clean-out looks pretty OK.  Probably as long as it doesn't slosh around.
I have installed a new filter element in the Racor, but it's a dinky little
2 micron and will undoubtedly clog quickly.  All I have to go is 10 miles
down a river to get to my marina from the yard, hopefully with two spare
filter elements we'll make it?  Then maybe I'll try to remove and clean out
the tank.  It sounds like that is the only recourse.

 

Anyway, the yard stepped the mast before I acquired the boat, and they put
it right in the center of the aluminum box full of 1/4" plastic shims that
were in there.  It looks like it's raked really far, the backstay is fully
adjusted, to the max, like no more room in the turnbuckle, and that doesn't
seem right either.  Don't know if there is any adjustment possible on the
headstay because the furler is over the turnbuckle, assuming there is one.
The mast-shaped cut-out in the forward end of the table is also several
inches from being snug around the mast, which also doesn't seem right.

 

Can anyone tell me what the proper rake should be, if the headstay is
adjustable, and, unless this is really the way it's supposed to be, suggest
how I can get the mast to scoot a few inches aft in that interesting box
system it has for a mast step?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Mike Fulmor

 

Hull 147  "Mahalo"

541 547 3483 land

541 961 1292 cell

 

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Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

A solution for geeks? A quick glance shows it's 
OpenCPN running on a fruit pie...


My solution is similar to Joe's, an old Thinkpad 
T-42 running Open CPN and with Nobeltec & CM93 
charts. Internet option (wifi) disabled. The big 
difference is that I have a modern OS, XP, and 
something called a Pentium core processor :)


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 08:24 AM 10/09/2015, you wrote:

Just saw this open source plotter:

http://www.sailoog.com/en/openplotter

Have not tried it.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Juno via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


good thought...  wish I had thought of that about 8 hours ago...lol

DJH
On Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com>, 
Sep 10, 2015 7:18 AM wrote:


You should be able to install the apps on to 
whatever devices your google account is linked 
to.  Just go to the app store and select "my 
apps".  In retrospect i wish i had purchased my 
boating apps on an account which was common 
between my wife and i.  As it stands now she 
would have to buy the apps or i would have to 
sync my personal account to her device.  This 
might be a good time for you to consider 
creating a special Gmail account just for the 
boat.  That way all of the google services can 
be segregated to the boat and shared or unshared 
to other devices simply by adding that 
account.  (Apps, Drive, email, blogs, youtube, etc.)


Josh
On Sep 10, 2015 6:44 AM, "Danny Haughey via 
CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
OK, so I downloaded MX mariner for $15, the maps 
are free after that, and navionics for $10, maps 
seemed to come with the install,  last night 
onto the Samsung galaxy 3.  So far, they both 
look great.  I believe I can get these onto the 
G Tab for no extra cost now.  So, I think I'm going to try that next.


DannyOn Sep 9, 2015 2:17 PM, David via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Kevin,
>
> Great suggestion on Boat Beacon.  Just downloaded it.  Thanks!
>
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> 
> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 16:31:20 +
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows laptop for chartplotter?
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> CC: kevindrisc...@gmail.com
>
> + 1 for MX Mariner. I have been using it on 
my 7" android tablet and Android Phone for 3 
years in tights spots and up and down the 
Oregon + Wa Coasts and in the San Juans. I also 
have Navionics on both devices for redundancy 
and with have charts downloaded on both. These 
apps send me notification and/or automatically 
update charts whenever new NOAA information is 
available (a huge plus for safety imo.) Active 
Captain is also integral with both apps. MX 
Mariner is free, I believe Navionics was $20 
for charts of all of Northern CA, Oregon, 
Washington and San Juans. HD Navionics was 
$50-60 as mentioned, but normal fidelity was fine on my 7" Tablet.

>
> Additionally I have an app called Boat Beacon 
which sends(with your MMSI #) and receives AIS 
info. It does this only when connected to cell 
service (when I need real AIS, I'll buy it.) I 
do also have an old handheld GPS (with outdated 
charts... like nearly all non wifi enabled GPS/Chartplotters)Â

>
> If I were you Danny, I would load up your 
android tablet, and one or two phones with 
apps/charts as a back up for the delivery. IMO 
the dongles, bluetooth adapters etc, add 
complexity and expense and seem like an obvious 
weak link in the system to me, as well as the 
battery drain, and not having the 
plotter/laptop in the cockpit. The apps will 
always be cheaper than additional hardware. But 
you can worry about that or not, when you get 
your boat home! BTW, you'll find that most 
delivery skippers only use a Tablet with 
Navionics because they can't trust the systems 
on the boats they are delivering. And a plug 
for one of the only boats/blogs that are really 
out there doing real sailing and not island 
hopping:Â s/v Sila, who has been using iPad 
Tablets successfully for years now, including 
around Cape Horn and a number of oceanic crossings. My 2 cents.Â

>
> Congratulations on your (almost) new boat Danny!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:16 AM Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>>
>> I have been using an old IBM Thinkpad and 
OpenCPN for years and it all works great. You 
get spoiled and “real” marine chartplotters 
seem quite lacking. OpenCPN is free and all the charts are free too.

>>
>> The only drawbacks are that a laptop is NOT 
anywhere close to waterproof, it isn’t in the 
cockpit, and they draw more power than a 
plotter. My old beast draws around 4-5 amps.

>>
>> Â
>>
>> 

Re: Stus-List Mast chocks - how important?

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Dave,

I would like to reinforce Neil's message. Those mast wedges are very 
important. You cannot achieve a proper dynamic tune (i.e.: in 15 knot 
TWS) or ultimate mast stability without them. Fortunately not many of 
us routinely load the mast to where the lack will mean failure.


Here's a neat thing to feel the effect mast wedges have on mast 
stability. Take a length of uncooked spaghetti, support the ends of 
it between a finger of each hand and bring fingers together slightly 
to check the stiffness (bend the spaghetti). Then have someone 
support the spaghetti a couple o' inches from one finger and feel how 
it stiffens up.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 04:13 PM 07/09/2015, you wrote:

Dave,

The chocks at the partners are fairly important.  Most of the force 
from the shrouds and stays are is pushing down on the mast, a 
"column" load.  The wedges or chocks at the partners keep the the 
mast in line vertically, which greatly reduces it's tendency to go 
out of column under the vertical load.  Most likely nothing severe 
would happen if you sailed without them, but they're not just a 
tuning item, they serve a fundamental purpose.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 9/6/2015 4:05 PM, davepulaski via CnC-List wrote:
So I just discovered 4 shaped wood blocks waaay up under the nav 
table that I can only assume are the chocks for where the mast 
passes through the deck.   Which obviously means the yard didn't 
put them in when they stepped the mast because they didn't know they existed.


So my question is, is it a Big Deal to go sailing without 
them?   As in, will it do any damage to anything?   I'd rather not 
undo my nicely sealed mast boot and have to loosen the rig and 
start all over if I don't have to.


I don't care if the rig isn't in perfect tune without them, just 
curious if I can get away with being lazy and not hurting anything 
in this instance.


My mainsail should be back from the loft in a couple days and I 
really want to get out.


What say ye?

-Dave




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Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Hello All,

Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his existing 
B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus Touch 7 
MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected via NMEA 
2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place to tap into 
an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line running close 
to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable connectors, a 
premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not find 
Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the new 
connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code on 
the connectors matched the colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good to 
go.  When I hook things back up, the existing instruments work fine, but the 
new radio is not seen by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  Since 
the existing stuff all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are connected 
in the same positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose all the 
transducers.   

I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or Simrad B 
uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one specified by NMEA, 
which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using one from my boat, but 
can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for me?  Any other ideas about 
what to check?

Thanks,

Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI 

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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Joel,

Thanks for the reply.

With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source available 
on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio does not see 
the 2000 network.

Jim

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From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling


Manual says:

This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to receive GPS data 
from a
compatible GPS unit.
Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the actual 
source
name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is operational.
RADIO SETUP
WX ALERT ▲
COM PORT
►GPS SOURCE
FAV CH SETU
GPS SOURCE
►NMEA0183
LGC3000
LCX113CHD
1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol 
available on
your vessel, only that will be shown).
2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.


On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Hello All,
 
Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his existing 
B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus Touch 7 
MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected via NMEA 
2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place to tap into 
an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line running close 
to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable connectors, a 
premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not find 
Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the new 
connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code on 
the connectors matched the colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good to 
go.  When I hook things back up, the existing instruments work fine, but the 
new radio is not seen by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  Since 
the existing stuff all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are connected 
in the same positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose all the 
transducers.   
 
I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or Simrad B 
uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one specified by NMEA, 
which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using one from my boat, but 
can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for me?  Any other ideas about 
what to check?
 
Thanks,
 
Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI 
 
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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Thanks, I agree. None of the 0183 wires are connected to anything, so there is 
no way it is getting a signal on that protocol.  I chalked it up to a default 
setting of some sort, but it may also indicate a problem with the radio.

Jim

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From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:43 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling


Jim,

Weird!  Nothing should show as a 183 source.​  Either a bad connection or a bad 
radio.
The manual is not any help on external connections.

Good luck

Joel


On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Joel,
 
Thanks for the reply.
 
With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source available 
on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio does not see 
the 2000 network.
 
Jim
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
 
 
Manual says:
 
This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to receive GPS data 
from a
compatible GPS unit.
Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the actual 
source
name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is operational.
RADIO SETUP
WX ALERT ▲
COM PORT
►GPS SOURCE
FAV CH SETU
GPS SOURCE
►NMEA0183
LGC3000
LCX113CHD
1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol 
available on
your vessel, only that will be shown).
2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.
 
 
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Hello All,
 
Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his existing 
B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus Touch 7 
MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected via NMEA 
2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place to tap into 
an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line running close 
to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable connectors, a 
premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not find 
Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the new 
connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code on 
the connectors matched the colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good to 
go.  When I hook things back up, the existing instruments work fine, but the 
new radio is not seen by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  Since 
the existing stuff all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are connected 
in the same positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose all the 
transducers.   
 
I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or Simrad B 
uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one specified by NMEA, 
which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using one from my boat, but 
can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for me?  Any other ideas about 
what to check?
 
Thanks,
 
Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI 
 
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Re: Stus-List C Interior Wood Veneer - mid 80's

[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

Jon,  my 1986 44 has a teak interior.  I had to re-veneer my nav station.
Locally  I bought teak veneer with  mdo paper back that was reasonably
close to the original.   I varnished it with several coats.  At first it
looked a little light when compared to the rest of the boat.  After a year
or so it darkened and you cannot tell it from the original..

Fred Hazzard
Portland, OR

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cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It is time to refresh the interior of my 1986 44 and I have a section that
> I would like to re-veneer. Does anyone know what the wood veneer is on the
> mid 80's C's?
> Is it teak or some kind of mahogany?
> The best match I have found is the Teak Veneer Quartered from Oakwood
> Veneers.
> http://www.oakwoodveneer.com/veneers/teak-veneer.html
> I have tried the Watco Danish Oil Cherry as a color match as a lister
> recommended some time ago and it seems to be a pretty good match for my
> boat.
> Any help from someone who has worked on their wood interior would be
> appreciated.
>
> Jon
> C 44
> Mor' Childs Play
> Kingston, ON
>
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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Jim — is the backbone properly terminated after your addition?  There needs to 
be a terminator at either end of the backbone, after the final “T” for 
equipment spurs.

Hopefully the “network” line you cut into is the backbone cable, not a spur.

In this instance, you’d have been far better to use all the same type of 
cable/connectors as the existing backbone, then use an adapter cable to go to 
the VHF as needed.  If the existing NMEA2k network was Maretron, for example, 
disconnect the backbone at the location closest to the VHF, put in a Maretron 
“T” and another backbone cable to where you broke it; then a Simrad to NMEA2k 
adapter spur to the VHF.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Joel,
>  
> Thanks for the reply.
>  
> With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source 
> available on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio 
> does not see the 2000 network.
>  
> Jim
>  
> Sent from Mail  for Windows 10
>  
>  
> 
> From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Joel Aronson
> Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
>  
>  
> Manual says:
>  
> This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to receive GPS data 
> from a
> compatible GPS unit.
> Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the 
> actual source
> name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is 
> operational.
> RADIO SETUP
> WX ALERT ▲
> COM PORT
> ►GPS SOURCE
> FAV CH SETU
> GPS SOURCE
> ►NMEA0183
> LGC3000
> LCX113CHD
> 1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol 
> available on
> your vessel, only that will be shown).
> 2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.
>  
>  
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
> Hello All,
>  
> Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his 
> existing B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus 
> Touch 7 MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected 
> via NMEA 2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place 
> to tap into an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line 
> running close to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable 
> connectors, a premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not 
> find Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the 
> new connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code 
> on the connectors matched the colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good 
> to go.  When I hook things back up, the existing instruments work fine, but 
> the new radio is not seen by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  
> Since the existing stuff all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are 
> connected in the same positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose 
> all the transducers.   
>  
> I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or Simrad 
> B uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one specified by 
> NMEA, which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using one from my 
> boat, but can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for me?  Any other 
> ideas about what to check?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Jim Reinardy
> C 30-2 “Firewater”
> Milwaukee, WI
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Re: Stus-List Harken roller furler failure

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

  
  

The Yacht Shop in Halifax has an original Mk 1 swivel in the parts
bin.
$175.  Half the cost of new and not much different that the cost of
replacing the bearings and clips (over $1/bearing online)
I'll have to remove the bottom of the furler, drum etc to take off
the old and replace.

Relatively painless (he says BEFORE attempting replacement).  Thanks
for the advice.

Mark

There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
  - George Santayana
On 2015-09-09 5:59 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar
  via CnC-List wrote:


  
  
  First thing I did was take the spinniker halyard off the mast clip
  and move it around the spreader and over to the lifelines - but
  that didn't solve the issue.
  
  i think the locking clip came partially loose (maybe it caught on
  something) - and from then on it was gradually pushing itself out
  as I was furling and unfurling.
  
  Couldn't get the right people at North Sails today - but should
  talk to them in the morning
  
  Mark
  
There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
  - George Santayana
  On 2015-09-09 1:53 AM, Martin DeYoung
via CnC-List wrote:
  
  



  Calypso's spin halyard will tangle if it is not secured
against the mast before un-furling the headsail.  I'm not
sure if it contacts the swivel itself or the sail's head.
   
  I use a ATN spin sock which allows the spin to be snuffed
close to the leeward mark.  When the spin is hoisted and
flying the sock itself covers the upper swivel and would
foul it if the headsail is roller out while the spin is
flying.
   
  I have not yet figured out a way to roll out the headsail
until the spin halyard is all the way aft but I have gotten
faster at clearing the halyard off the sock/spin and back to
the mast.
   
  Martin
  Calypso
  1971 C
  Seattle
   
  From:
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  on behalf of D Harben via CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 7:59 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: D Harben
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Harken roller furler failure

  
  

  
Spin halyard 
  

  




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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Jim,

Weird!  Nothing should show as a 183 source.​  Either a bad connection or a
bad radio.
The manual is not any help on external connections.

Good luck

Joel


On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joel,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
>
>
> With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source
> available on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio
> does not see the 2000 network.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
> *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc: *Joel Aronson
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
>
>
>
>
>
> Manual says:
>
>
>
> This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to* receive *GPS
> data from a
>
> compatible GPS unit.
>
> Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the
> actual source
>
> name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is
> operational.
>
> RADIO SETUP
>
> WX ALERT ▲
>
> COM PORT
>
> ►GPS SOURCE
>
> FAV CH SETU
>
> GPS SOURCE
>
> ►NMEA0183
>
> LGC3000
>
> LCX113CHD
>
> 1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol
> available on
>
> your vessel, only that will be shown).
>
> 2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his
> existing B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a
> Zeus Touch 7 MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is
> connected via NMEA 2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no
> convenient place to tap into an existing T connector, but there was an
> existing network line running close to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron
> micro-c field installable connectors, a premade Maretron cable and a
> Lowrance T connector.  I could not find Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.
> I cut the network wire and wired the new connectors according to the color
> code on the connectors.  The color code on the connectors matched the
> colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good to go.  When I hook things
> back up, the existing instruments work fine, but the new radio is not seen
> by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  Since the existing stuff
> all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are connected in the same
> positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose all the
> transducers.
>
>
>
> I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or
> Simrad B uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one
> specified by NMEA, which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using
> one from my boat, but can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for
> me?  Any other ideas about what to check?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Jim Reinardy
>
> C 30-2 “Firewater”
>
> Milwaukee, WI
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
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Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Fred,

It’s a good thought, I will trace that back.  One of the ends has to be the 
wind transducer, which has an integral terminator in the B world.  I did not 
open up the displays to see where the terminator is on the other end though.  I 
assume it is at the helm on either the Zeus or one of the Tritons, but I should 
confirm it.  

I understand what you are saying about mixing vendors.  The backbone is 
Lowrance, the brand Simrad uses for their NMEA parts for some reason.  I really 
wanted to find Simrad/Lowrance connectors to go with the T connector, but could 
never locate a source or even a part number.   I am wondering where there 
installers get them, or if they have access to things I don’t.  Thanks for the 
reply.

Regards,

Jim

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From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling


Jim — is the backbone properly terminated after your addition?  There needs to 
be a terminator at either end of the backbone, after the final “T” for 
equipment spurs.

Hopefully the “network” line you cut into is the backbone cable, not a spur.

In this instance, you’d have been far better to use all the same type of 
cable/connectors as the existing backbone, then use an adapter cable to go to 
the VHF as needed.  If the existing NMEA2k network was Maretron, for example, 
disconnect the backbone at the location closest to the VHF, put in a Maretron 
“T” and another backbone cable to where you broke it; then a Simrad to NMEA2k 
adapter spur to the VHF.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Sep 10, 2015, at 2:36 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List  
wrote:

Joel,
 
Thanks for the reply.
 
With the NMEA 2000 cable connected, I only have the NMEA 0183 source available 
on that menu.  That is how I drew the conclusion that the radio does not see 
the 2000 network.
 
Jim
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 2:32 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson
Subject: Re: Stus-List NMEA 2000 cabling
 
 
Manual says:
 
This radio can use either NMEA 0183 or NMEA 2000 protocol to receive GPS data 
from a
compatible GPS unit.
Note: NMEA 2000 SOURCE options will appear (up to 4 sources showing the actual 
source
name) only if an NMEA 2000 network is connected to the radio and is operational.
RADIO SETUP
WX ALERT ▲
COM PORT
►GPS SOURCE
FAV CH SETU
GPS SOURCE
►NMEA0183
LGC3000
LCX113CHD
1. Select RADIO SETUP then GPS SOURCE. (If there is only one NMEA protocol 
available on
your vessel, only that will be shown).
2. Select the desired NMEA source then press ENT.
 
 
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List 
 wrote:
Hello All,
 
Helping a friend add a Simrad RS-35 VHF radio with AIS receiver to his existing 
B instrument system.  That currently has 2 Triton displays, a Zeus Touch 7 
MFD plus wind and speed/depth transducers.  Everything is connected via NMEA 
2000, there is no 0183 on the boat.  There was no convenient place to tap into 
an existing T connector, but there was an existing network line running close 
to the radio.  We bought 2 Maretron micro-c field installable connectors, a 
premade Maretron cable and a Lowrance T connector.  I could not find 
Lowrance/B connectors anywhere.  I cut the network wire and wired the new 
connectors according to the color code on the connectors.  The color code on 
the connectors matched the colors in the B wire, so I figured I was good to 
go.  When I hook things back up, the existing instruments work fine, but the 
new radio is not seen by the Zeus, nor does the radio see the network.  Since 
the existing stuff all works fine, I am assuming that the wires are connected 
in the same positions on the connectors.  When I unplug it, I lose all the 
transducers.   
 
I am currently thinking that either the new premade cable is bad, or Simrad B 
uses a different pinout for their connectors than the one specified by NMEA, 
which Maretron follows.  I plan to test the cable using one from my boat, but 
can anyone confirm the pinout on a B system for me?  Any other ideas about 
what to check?
 
Thanks,
 
Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI


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Stus-List Water tank x connect

[Mitchell's via CnC-List]

Josh, It may have been the PO's DIY winterizing solution. Our PO had a 
complicated hose system where he pumped air into the head sink faucet to bleed 
the 3 tank water system and piping. 
Just a guess! 
Len Mitchell
1989 37+


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Re: Stus-List C Interior Wood Veneer - mid 80's

[Tom Anderson via CnC-List]

Jon,
The interior teak on my 32 was looking tired, Ok, looking very tired especially 
around the galley about five years ago.  I have had good luck with Cetol light 
on exterior teak.  So I lightly sanded the teak in the whole galley area, taped 
off and put on two coats of Cetol light, and used the boat for a year to see if 
I still liked the looks.  It held up well, and then I lightly sanded the rest 
of the interior, taped and coated the rest of the interior over the next year.  
To today it still looks very good.  Please keep in mind that the interior teak 
had not been touched at all before.

Tom Anderson
C 32 Nonpareil
Marblehead, MA

Too long till next race

On Sep 10, 2015, at 3:48 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:

>> It is time to refresh the interior of my 1986 44 and I have a section that
>> I would like to re-veneer. Does anyone know what the wood veneer is on the
>> mid 80's C's?
>> Is it teak or some kind of mahogany?
>> The best match I have found is the Teak Veneer Quartered from Oakwood
>> Veneers.
>> http://www.oakwoodveneer.com/veneers/teak-veneer.html
>> I have tried the Watco Danish Oil Cherry as a color match as a lister
>> recommended some time ago and it seems to be a pretty good match for my
>> boat.
>> Any help from someone who has worked on their wood interior would be
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> Jon
>> C 44
>> Mor' Childs Play
>> Kingston, ON

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Re: Stus-List Water tank x connect

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Len, That's the best guess I've heard so far.
On Sep 10, 2015 4:32 PM, "Mitchell's via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Josh, It may have been the PO's DIY winterizing solution. Our PO had a
> complicated hose system where he pumped air into the head sink faucet to
> bleed the 3 tank water system and piping.
> Just a guess!
> Len Mitchell
> 1989 37+
>
>
> Sent from my mobile device.
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