Re: Stus-List radar mast/pole on C 32

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I built a pole mount on our 35-3 that is pretty simple. I got the stainless
plate sheared to size and had it welded onto the pole. It's all handrail
fittings and 1" SS tube. I made the tube clamp from some 1" black Starboard
scraps, bought a Seadog anchor stopper for the base. Including the radar, I
spent less than $700. I added another brace to the coaming after I took
these pix just for a little more stability.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-eZodRniJGz0/VZcvHSR3VpI/DNw/wXPsxk5waLI/s720-Ic42/pole.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FF5A-_Ahhco/VZc7HaE1ZLI/DOA/rQPkzOM__Dg/s720-Ic42/base.jpg

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 23 February 2016 at 14:00, John Russo via CnC-List  wrote:

> Hans,
>
>
>
> Take a look at Arpeggio1984.info web site under 2007 projects. Only on pic
> there showing where to locate on port just forward of stern cleat and
> adjacent aft pulpit for support. All Edson hardware.
>
>
>
> John
>
> Arpeggio
>
> C 32 1984
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *Hans-Erik
> Andersen via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 2:50 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Hans-Erik Andersen
> *Subject:* Stus-List radar mast/pole on C 32
>
>
>
> Hello - does anybody have experience mounting a radar mast/pole on a
> C? I have some ideas - there seem to be limited options, given the
> transom, etc. -- but it would be great if anybody has some pictures of
> successful installations
>
>
>
> thanks!
>
> Hans Andersen
>
> C 32 "Avatar"
>
> Seattle, WA
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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

That's the way my club does it too - "A" division for spinnaker boats, "B" 
division for non-spinnaker boats.  Last year we had 17 spin boats and 11 
non-spin boats in my club. Among the spin boats the Capri-22s, J/22s, and 
Santana 20s usually fleet (three or more for a fleet in my club).

Since my boat has a spinnaker, its PHRF rating would be 12 seconds lower in A 
division than in B division (regardless of whether I flew the chute in a given 
A division race).

I'd like to ask your thoughts on which division to race a 30-1 in, given the 
local conditions and my potential crew, but I'll start a separate thread on 
that.

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30 MK1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

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> On Feb 23, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Ron,
> 
> We do the same thing here in Savannah. We have Class A for the spin boats and 
> Class B for JAM. Your PHRF rating applies to your boat regardless of the 
> class entered. Saves a lot of RC grief, but the usual "I lost because my 
> rating sucks" still applies.
> 
> Best regards,
> Jack Fitzgerald
> HONEY (C 39TM)
> US12788
> SAVANNAH, GA
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi Ron, 
>> 
>> We have a pretty simple / easy way to deal with that:  We have spin / 
>> non-spin classes with the same phrf ranges.. 
>> 
>> This way you completely avoid all the complications as it's pretty tricky to 
>> judge the spin's advantage: The effects will depend on the length of the 
>> course, it's nature (Is it 'Reachy', triangle, windward / leeward, etc) and 
>> the boats themselves. Some boats benefit more than others.   
>> 
>> I think just "adding XX" to Phrf will skew the results.  Having separate 
>> spin / non-spin classes is much simpler, fairer, and less open to 
>> controversy. 
>> 
>> 
>> My 2 cents ,
>> 
>> Good luck with it.
>> 
>> -Francois Rivard
>> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>> Lake Lanier, Georgia
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Greetings folks,We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race with 
>> jib and main only (JAM). ?The PHRF handicaps basically are for spinnaker 
>> racing. ?I believe that there were some clubs, a few only, that adjust 
>> numbers for JAM boats. ?We make adjustments to the numbers for our lake 
>> conditions and style of boat (older displacement etc.), but not sure how to 
>> fix JAM.Polars that I have seen for about 6 boats all show with chute only. 
>> ?Does anyone know if there are polars for downwind sailing without chutes? 
>> ?How can one arrive at those speeds?Could some of you whose clubs adjust 
>> numbers let me know any info you can on how that is accomplished at your 
>> club? ?And the rationale behind the adjustment.If it gets too specific for 
>> the whole list, we can take it offline later to keep traffic 
>> down.ThanksRonWild CheriC 30-1STL
>> Regards
>> 
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Re: Stus-List LF Hull numbers

[Prime Interest via CnC-List]

On 2/23/2016 9:10 AM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List wrote:

Spencer Johnson:

 From your email signature:
'84 LF38 "Alegria" #165

My LF38 is an '83 with hull number 230.  So, is your year built or hull number 
in error?

Bob Boyer

Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer


On Feb 22, 2016, at 9:34 PM, ssjohnson via CnC-List  
wrote:

Spencer Johnson
'84 LF38 "Alegria" #165

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I think I may have passed along a tale sent to me from the original 
owner of Prime Interest - Hull #229 - to Spencer and Bob already but 
here it is again.


'When we contacted C sales about a Landfall 38, they had one in the 
showroom. By the time we found financing (TD @ 16%) that one was sold. 
None in stock and next production run not till springtime. Not good for 
us as we wanted to put her in charter in the Florida Keys to help pay 
the bills. The salesman thought he had seen one sitting in the yard in 
Niagara-on-the-Lake but C& C 's inventory showed 'none'. He drove down 
to check the yard and sure enough in the back was #229. notice the odd 
number? This all happened shortly after a bunch of monied hotshots had 
bought out Cassion and Cuthbertson. New management brought layoffs etc. 
Senior staff were given a boat of choice at cost as part of the 
package.The production manager at some point saw the writing on the wall 
and added an additional Landfall 38 to the next batch. Over time work 
orders were added for oversize winches, subtracted after installation, 
same with spinnaker gear, teak ceilings in the bunks etc. Doesn't say 
much for control. However, no one wanted to get rid of the production 
manager.- until the salesman walked in to the office and said "what do 
you mean you don't have a Landfall 38 in inventory?" Our purchase price 
was revise 3 times until I put my foot down. A full audit was done and 
we negotiated the final price. This story is hearsay of course but she 
was called "The Golden Handshake" by the lads on the shop floor while 
she was there.'


Prime Interest was commissioned November 1982 in Niagara-on-the-Lake.


Ed Vanderkruk
Toronto, Ontario

Prime Interest
1982 LF38 #229
QCYC, Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I see a little difference, but not a lot. And I am not sure where that comes 
from. I just know that they are still rated kind of high (in JAM), which makes 
them not as competitive, and they get discouraged. Of course in certain 
spinnaker races they kick ass.

 

Regards,

 

Bill Coleman

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
Brown via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 8:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Michael Brown
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

 

Hi Bill,

  do the sport boats on Lake Erie have different FS and NFS ratings?

  I have been able to race FS against a wider range of boats the last
couple of years including J/80 and Melges 20. They have a "sweet"
spot in TWS, but do not perform exceptionally at higher or lower winds.

  No idea how one rating is suitable for spot boats.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1

 

Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 16:09:01 -0500 
From: "Bill Coleman"  
To:  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers 
Message-ID: <02d401d16e7e$6c34a860$449df920$@net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

I think the sport boats get screwed in the Jam Races, at least on L Erie, 

Their overall rating incorporates their sprit, which they get no use from in a 
JAM, not to mention their small jibs. 



Bill Coleman 

C 39 Erie, PAanimated_favicon1 

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Stus-List Was: Replacement Depth Transducer - Now: Mostly Old Chartplotter Resurrection

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

Apologies for changing the topic (from depth transducer to chartplotter)
without changing the Subject, but I thought I was replying to Fred only
when I segued into chartplotter territory. And Thanks, Joe D. B. for the
scrape from the owner's manual (which I have and have read). :-)

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 8:22 PM, bobmor99 .  wrote:

> I called the GPS Store this morning to ask why the Standard Horizon (SH)
> CPN700i was in their printed catalog (@ $550 USD) but was not online.
> They've been out of them for months and the model has been discontinued.
> So, I called Binnacle Canada (their Canadian website had it for $800 CND
> (~$580 USD) with free shipping) but their US website did not. But, they
> told me there would be customs and shipping fees totaling $150 so I said no
> thanks.
>
> Earlier this evening I was able get my PC to send sample GPS messages into
> my free SH 155C via two pins in its Smart GPS socket so I'll be going the
> economical route once again. I'll make a plug out of something, maybe butyl
> - if I could only get it to harden  :-)
>
> --Bob M
> Ox 33-1
> Jax, FL
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> A “smart GPS cable” supplies NMEA data. The older S-H plotters used an
>> actual RF antenna. The CP155C uses a smart antenna, so you can feed NMEA
>> data into that port if you have a cable. To use the other NMEA port, you
>> likely need to go through the menus and enable  that input if that is a
>> choice. You might be able to get S-H tech support to help.
>>
>> *12VDC Power and NMEA Cable*
>>
>> *Pin Wire Color Description Connection Example*
>>
>> 1 Black Battery Ground Connect to battery ground and *Black wire of GPS
>> Antenna*
>>
>> 2 Red Battery Positive Connect to Battery Positive and *Red wire of GPS
>> Antenna*
>>
>> 3 Green NMEA Common Common for NMEA devices
>>
>> 4 Blue VHF Input Conncect to VHF with DSC and DSE output
>>
>> 5 Brown VHF output Connect to VHF to supply GPS position data
>>
>> 6 Gray Fishfinder Input Standard Horizon Fishfinder, see FF520 owner's
>> manual
>>
>> 7 White Fish Finder Output Standard Horizon Fishfinder, see FF520 owner's
>> manual
>>
>> 8 Yellow GPS Antenna Input Connect to GPS Antenna *Green wire*
>>
>> *Smart GPS Cable*
>>
>> *Pin Wire Color Description Connection Example*
>>
>> 1 Red Battery Positive Connect to Battery Positive and *Red wire of GPS*
>>
>> *Antenna*
>>
>> 2 Green Smart GPS NMEA Input Connect to Smart GPS Input
>>
>> 3 Brown Smart GPS NMEA Output Connect to Smart GPS Output
>>
>> 4 NC
>>
>> 5 NC
>>
>> 6 Black/Yellow Battery Ground Connect to battery ground and *Black wire
>> of GPS*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If you really need one, I have a spare Smart Antenna I could send you for
>> $75.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Coquina
>>
>> C 35 MK I
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
>> *bobmor99
>> . via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 21, 2016 9:21 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* bobmor99 .
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Replacement Depth Transducer
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> It's unclear, from the manual, whether the GPS info must come into the
>> Standard Horizon (SH) CP155C chartplotter via the connection to an external
>> GPS antenna (the typical setup) or whether it could alternatively come in
>> via the NMEA 0183 inbound wire in the Power and NMEA cable (which I do
>> have). I tried sending a NMEA GPS data stream into the the plotter via the
>> latter path, trying output from a handheld Garmin GPS and from a PC's
>> serial (DB9) port but neither stream was seen by the Chartplotter. (I
>> verified baud rates and all that.)
>>
>> It's looking like the inbound (to the plotter) NMEA wire in the Power and
>> NMEA cable is just for DSC and DSE messages.
>>
>> It seemed like a doable hack, but now I don't think that's the case.
>>
>> Seeing as I don't have the plug at the end of the "Smart GPS Cable", I'm
>> going to bail out on this one.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bob M
>>
>> P.S. Perhaps too much information, but I would have used the NMEA 0183
>> GPS output from my new SH VX2200 radio as the GPS source if the SH CP155C
>> were able to ingest it via the Power and NMEA cable.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does the 155 require an external antenna?
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Replacement Depth Transducer

[bobmor99 . via CnC-List]

I called the GPS Store this morning to ask why the Standard Horizon (SH)
CPN700i was in their printed catalog (@ $550 USD) but was not online.
They've been out of them for months and the model has been discontinued.
So, I called Binnacle Canada (their Canadian website had it for $800 CND
(~$580 USD) with free shipping) but their US website did not. But, they
told me there would be customs and shipping fees totaling $150 so I said no
thanks.

Earlier this evening I was able get my PC to send sample GPS messages into
my free SH 155C via two pins in its Smart GPS socket so I'll be going the
economical route once again. I'll make a plug out of something, maybe butyl
- if I could only get it to harden  :-)

--Bob M
Ox 33-1
Jax, FL


On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A “smart GPS cable” supplies NMEA data. The older S-H plotters used an
> actual RF antenna. The CP155C uses a smart antenna, so you can feed NMEA
> data into that port if you have a cable. To use the other NMEA port, you
> likely need to go through the menus and enable  that input if that is a
> choice. You might be able to get S-H tech support to help.
>
> *12VDC Power and NMEA Cable*
>
> *Pin Wire Color Description Connection Example*
>
> 1 Black Battery Ground Connect to battery ground and *Black wire of GPS
> Antenna*
>
> 2 Red Battery Positive Connect to Battery Positive and *Red wire of GPS
> Antenna*
>
> 3 Green NMEA Common Common for NMEA devices
>
> 4 Blue VHF Input Conncect to VHF with DSC and DSE output
>
> 5 Brown VHF output Connect to VHF to supply GPS position data
>
> 6 Gray Fishfinder Input Standard Horizon Fishfinder, see FF520 owner's
> manual
>
> 7 White Fish Finder Output Standard Horizon Fishfinder, see FF520 owner's
> manual
>
> 8 Yellow GPS Antenna Input Connect to GPS Antenna *Green wire*
>
> *Smart GPS Cable*
>
> *Pin Wire Color Description Connection Example*
>
> 1 Red Battery Positive Connect to Battery Positive and *Red wire of GPS*
>
> *Antenna*
>
> 2 Green Smart GPS NMEA Input Connect to Smart GPS Input
>
> 3 Brown Smart GPS NMEA Output Connect to Smart GPS Output
>
> 4 NC
>
> 5 NC
>
> 6 Black/Yellow Battery Ground Connect to battery ground and *Black wire
> of GPS*
>
>
>
>
>
> If you really need one, I have a spare Smart Antenna I could send you for
> $75.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *bobmor99
> . via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 21, 2016 9:21 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* bobmor99 .
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Replacement Depth Transducer
>
>
>
> Hi Joel,
>
> It's unclear, from the manual, whether the GPS info must come into the
> Standard Horizon (SH) CP155C chartplotter via the connection to an external
> GPS antenna (the typical setup) or whether it could alternatively come in
> via the NMEA 0183 inbound wire in the Power and NMEA cable (which I do
> have). I tried sending a NMEA GPS data stream into the the plotter via the
> latter path, trying output from a handheld Garmin GPS and from a PC's
> serial (DB9) port but neither stream was seen by the Chartplotter. (I
> verified baud rates and all that.)
>
> It's looking like the inbound (to the plotter) NMEA wire in the Power and
> NMEA cable is just for DSC and DSE messages.
>
> It seemed like a doable hack, but now I don't think that's the case.
>
> Seeing as I don't have the plug at the end of the "Smart GPS Cable", I'm
> going to bail out on this one.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob M
>
> P.S. Perhaps too much information, but I would have used the NMEA 0183 GPS
> output from my new SH VX2200 radio as the GPS source if the SH CP155C were
> able to ingest it via the Power and NMEA cable.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Does the 155 require an external antenna?
>
> Joel
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Hi Bill,

  do the sport boats on Lake Erie have different FS and NFS ratings?

  I have been able to race FS against a wider range of boats the last
couple of years including J/80 and Melges 20. They have a "sweet"
spot in TWS, but do not perform exceptionally at higher or lower winds.

  No idea how one rating is suitable for spot boats.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1

 

Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 16:09:01 -0500 
From: "Bill Coleman"  
To:  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers 
Message-ID: <02d401d16e7e$6c34a860$449df920$@net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
I think the sport boats get screwed in the Jam Races, at least on L Erie, 
 
Their overall rating incorporates their sprit, which they get no use from in a 
JAM, not to mention their small jibs. 
 
  
 
Bill Coleman 
 
C 39 Erie, PAanimated_favicon1 
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Re: Stus-List Bearing removal tool by MacGyver

[Brian Fry via CnC-List]

Unfortunately I haven't had the chance to try it yet. Maybe tomorrow or
Thursday.


> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:11:26 -0500
> From: Josh Muckley 
> To: "C List" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Bearing removal tool by MacGyver
> Message-ID:
> <
> ca+zacrcqmjcjxeyc5mmzvsv7khugux5ngm5xhfq-p0-er68...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Did it work?
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Feb 23, 2016 1:00 PM, "Brian Fry via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
> > Here's a link to the solution I came up with
> >
> > https://m.facebook.com/The-Next-14-Years-1011224262273851/
> >
> > Brian
> > La Neige
> > 37/40 xl 1993
> > Havre de Grace
> >
>
> --
Brian Fry
S/V La Neige
1993 C 37/40XL
HdG Maryland


-- 
Brian Fry
S/V La Neige
1993 C 37/40XL
HdG Maryland
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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

What's the acronym for "f_ _ _k a bunch of sport boats?" 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "Bill Coleman via CnC-List"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Bill Coleman"  
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 4:09:01 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers 



I think the sport boats get screwed in the Jam Races, at least on L Erie, 

Their overall rating incorporates their sprit, which they get no use from in a 
JAM, not to mention their small jibs. 




Bill Coleman 

C 39 Erie, PA 





From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
Brown via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:18 PM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Michael Brown 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers 




PHRF Lake Ontario has supplied both FS and NFS ratings ( if appropriate ) 
for years. They use to track both FS and NFS races and analyze the results. 

For 2012 season this was changed to keeping a FS SP based on race results 
and using a calculated offset for NFS. 

http://phrf-lo.org/index.php?option=com_content=article=508:nfs-delta=93:us-sailing-offshore-office=214
 

As other have mentioned the delta is around 16 - 18 sec/mile for some 
fractional rigged boats, 
in the 22 - 24 sec/mile for many full hoist rigged boats, and 40+ for "sport" 
boats that might 
plane or surf extensively. 

Michael Brown 
Windburn 
C 30-1 




Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:26:04 + (UTC) 
From: "Ronald B. Frerker"  
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
Subject: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers 
Message-ID: 
<1620292786.1504268.1456255564054.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Greetings folks,We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race with jib 
and main only (JAM). ?The PHRF handicaps basically are for spinnaker racing. ?I 
believe that there were some clubs, a few only, that adjust numbers for JAM 
boats. ?We make adjustments to the numbers for our lake conditions and style of 
boat (older displacement etc.), but not sure how to fix JAM.Polars that I have 
seen for about 6 boats all show with chute only. ?Does anyone know if there are 
polars for downwind sailing without chutes? ?How can one arrive at those 
speeds?Could some of you whose clubs adjust numbers let me know any info you 
can on how that is accomplished at your club? ?And the rationale behind the 
adjustment.If it gets too specific for the whole list, we can take it offline 
later to keep traffic down.ThanksRonWild CheriC 30-1STL 



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Re: Stus-List Ignition Switch Fuel Solenoid Valve

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

I've run the fuel line in the lazarette to where I can lift the seat and 
reach it, and installed a manual ball valve, which I shut every time I 
leave the boat or for the night when on the hook.  Once I managed to 
have it closed when I started the engine and just as I dropped the 
mooring lines the engine quit, but other than that it's worked well.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 2/23/2016 3:22 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List wrote:

Hey everyone,

Wondering if anyone here has installed a solenoid valve to cut off 
fuel flow when the ignition is turned off for their Atomic 4.  My fuel 
tank has the standard hand twist valve at the top of the tank, but for 
additional safety I was thinking about adding a solenoid valve that 
automatically cuts fuel flow when I turn the ignition off.


Just curious if anyone here has done it, if so I'd love to know which 
valve you used plus any other pointers.


Thanks in advance,
Ryan
Nobody's Bargain
1976 C 30mki
New York




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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Jean & Jack,We split our group as well, but we seem to have diminishing numbers 
on the line, so there are times when we race them together.  Hence the need for 
a better correction.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL


  From: Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
 To: C  
Cc: Jack Fitzgerald 
 Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 2:35 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers
   
Hello Ron,
We do the same thing here in Savannah. We have Class A for the spin boats and 
Class B for JAM. Your PHRF rating applies to your boat regardless of the class 
entered. Saves a lot of RC grief, but the usual "I lost because my rating 
sucks" still applies.
Best regards,
Jack FitzgeraldHONEY (C 39TM)
US12788SAVANNAH, GA


On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Ron, 

We have a pretty simple / easy way to deal with that: We have spin / non-spin 
classes with the same phrf ranges.. 

This way you completely avoid all the complicationsas it's pretty tricky to 
judge the spin's advantage: The effects will dependon the length of the course, 
it's nature (Is it 'Reachy', triangle, windward/ leeward, etc) and the boats 
themselves. Some boats benefit more thanothers.   

I think just "adding XX" to Phrf will skewthe results.  Having separate spin / 
non-spin classes is much simpler,fairer, and less open to controversy. 


My 2 cents ,

Good luck with it.

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgia






Greetings folks,We have a problem with how to handicap boats that racewith jib 
and main only (JAM). ?The PHRF handicaps basically are for spinnakerracing. ?I 
believe that there were some clubs, a few only, that adjustnumbers for JAM 
boats. ?We make adjustments to the numbers for our lakeconditions and style of 
boat (older displacement etc.), but not sure howto fix JAM.Polars that I have 
seen for about 6 boats all show with chuteonly. ?Does anyone know if there are 
polars for downwind sailing withoutchutes? ?How can one arrive at those 
speeds?Could some of you whose clubsadjust numbers let me know any info you can 
on how that is accomplishedat your club? ?And the rationale behind the 
adjustment.If it gets too specificfor the whole list, we can take it offline 
later to keep traffic down.ThanksRonWildCheriC 30-1STL
Regards



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Re: Stus-List Bearing removal tool by MacGyver

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Did it work?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Feb 23, 2016 1:00 PM, "Brian Fry via CnC-List" 
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> Here's a link to the solution I came up with
>
> https://m.facebook.com/The-Next-14-Years-1011224262273851/
>
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> La Neige
> 37/40 xl 1993
> Havre de Grace
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Re: Stus-List radar mast/pole on C 32

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Hans,

 

Take a look at Arpeggio1984.info web site under 2007 projects. Only on pic 
there showing where to locate on port just forward of stern cleat and adjacent 
aft pulpit for support. All Edson hardware.

 

John

Arpeggio

C 32 1984

 

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 2:50 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Hans-Erik Andersen
Subject: Stus-List radar mast/pole on C 32

 

Hello - does anybody have experience mounting a radar mast/pole on a C? I 
have some ideas - there seem to be limited options, given the transom, etc. -- 
but it would be great if anybody has some pictures of successful installations

 

thanks!

Hans Andersen

C 32 "Avatar"

Seattle, WA

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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Bill,

The trade-off would come when the wind tops 15-18kts.  A sport boat, even with 
a small jib is going to get up on a plane and scream past a displacement hull 
going downwind..  

I would tend to agree with you in light airs, although typically the sport boat 
has a huge weight advantage in those conditions too..

We have a J-100 that primarily races in Non-Spinnaker, why?  Can’t tell you.  
But he is very competitive primarily because he changes jibs going upwind and 
downwind. As soon as he turns at the windward mark, the little jib comes down 
and the big one goes up and off he goes!  

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic 25-1

Orion  35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA.

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 4:09 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

 

I think the sport boats get screwed in the Jam Races, at least on L Erie,

Their overall rating incorporates their sprit, which they get no use from in a 
JAM, not to mention their small jibs.

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

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Brown via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:18 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Michael Brown
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

 

PHRF Lake Ontario has supplied both FS and NFS ratings ( if appropriate )
for years. They use to track both FS and NFS races and analyze the results.

For 2012 season this was changed to keeping a FS SP based on race results
and using a calculated offset for NFS.

http://phrf-lo.org/index.php?option=com_content 

 =article=508:nfs-delta=93:us-sailing-offshore-office=214

As other have mentioned the delta is around 16 - 18 sec/mile for some 
fractional rigged boats,
in the 22 - 24 sec/mile for many full hoist rigged boats, and 40+ for "sport" 
boats that might
plane or surf extensively.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1
 

Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:26:04 + (UTC) 
From: "Ronald B. Frerker"  > 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com  " 
 > 
Subject: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers 
Message-ID: 
<1620292786.1504268.1456255564054.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com 
 > 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Greetings folks,We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race with jib 
and main only (JAM). ?The PHRF handicaps basically are for spinnaker racing. ?I 
believe that there were some clubs, a few only, that adjust numbers for JAM 
boats. ?We make adjustments to the numbers for our lake conditions and style of 
boat (older displacement etc.), but not sure how to fix JAM.Polars that I have 
seen for about 6 boats all show with chute only. ?Does anyone know if there are 
polars for downwind sailing without chutes? ?How can one arrive at those 
speeds?Could some of you whose clubs adjust numbers let me know any info you 
can on how that is accomplished at your club? ?And the rationale behind the 
adjustment.If it gets too specific for the whole list, we can take it offline 
later to keep traffic down.ThanksRonWild CheriC 30-1STL 

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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I think the sport boats get screwed in the Jam Races, at least on L Erie,

Their overall rating incorporates their sprit, which they get no use from in a 
JAM, not to mention their small jibs.

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PAanimated_favicon1

 

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Brown via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:18 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Michael Brown
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

 

PHRF Lake Ontario has supplied both FS and NFS ratings ( if appropriate )
for years. They use to track both FS and NFS races and analyze the results.

For 2012 season this was changed to keeping a FS SP based on race results
and using a calculated offset for NFS.

http://phrf-lo.org/index.php?option=com_content=article=508:nfs-delta=93:us-sailing-offshore-office=214

As other have mentioned the delta is around 16 - 18 sec/mile for some 
fractional rigged boats,
in the 22 - 24 sec/mile for many full hoist rigged boats, and 40+ for "sport" 
boats that might
plane or surf extensively.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1
 

Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:26:04 + (UTC) 
From: "Ronald B. Frerker"  
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
Subject: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers 
Message-ID: 
<1620292786.1504268.1456255564054.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Greetings folks,We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race with jib 
and main only (JAM). ?The PHRF handicaps basically are for spinnaker racing. ?I 
believe that there were some clubs, a few only, that adjust numbers for JAM 
boats. ?We make adjustments to the numbers for our lake conditions and style of 
boat (older displacement etc.), but not sure how to fix JAM.Polars that I have 
seen for about 6 boats all show with chute only. ?Does anyone know if there are 
polars for downwind sailing without chutes? ?How can one arrive at those 
speeds?Could some of you whose clubs adjust numbers let me know any info you 
can on how that is accomplished at your club? ?And the rationale behind the 
adjustment.If it gets too specific for the whole list, we can take it offline 
later to keep traffic down.ThanksRonWild CheriC 30-1STL 

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Re: Stus-List Ignition Switch Fuel Solenoid Valve

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

I got ya.  Thank you.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Della Barba, Joe 
wrote:

> Not that – failing closed when I really need the engine to start.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Doyle [mailto:ryanpdo...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 15:40
> *To:* Della Barba, Joe
> *Cc:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Ignition Switch Fuel Solenoid Valve
>
>
>
> Thanks Joe.  Yeah it is a potential failure point.  That's a real concern
> of mine.  I would keep the original shut off valve and install the solenoid
> valve down the line.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Della Barba, Joe 
> wrote:
>
> Not me –too much of a failure point for my taste.
>
> What I do is turn my fuel pump off and let the engine run the fuel out of
> the carb when I am done for the day. ABYC/USCG regs want a manual
> activation or bypass if you install one of these.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan
> Doyle via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 15:23
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Ryan Doyle
> *Subject:* Stus-List Ignition Switch Fuel Solenoid Valve
>
>
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Wondering if anyone here has installed a solenoid valve to cut off fuel
> flow when the ignition is turned off for their Atomic 4.  My fuel tank has
> the standard hand twist valve at the top of the tank, but for additional
> safety I was thinking about adding a solenoid valve that automatically cuts
> fuel flow when I turn the ignition off.
>
> Just curious if anyone here has done it, if so I'd love to know which
> valve you used plus any other pointers.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ryan
>
> Nobody's Bargain
>
> 1976 C 30mki
>
> New York
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Ignition Switch Fuel Solenoid Valve

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Not that – failing closed when I really need the engine to start.
Joe
Coquina


From: Ryan Doyle [mailto:ryanpdo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 15:40
To: Della Barba, Joe
Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ignition Switch Fuel Solenoid Valve

Thanks Joe.  Yeah it is a potential failure point.  That's a real concern of 
mine.  I would keep the original shut off valve and install the solenoid valve 
down the line.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Della Barba, Joe 
> wrote:
Not me –too much of a failure point for my taste.
What I do is turn my fuel pump off and let the engine run the fuel out of the 
carb when I am done for the day. ABYC/USCG regs want a manual activation or 
bypass if you install one of these.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


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Behalf Of Ryan Doyle via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 15:23
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Stus-List Ignition Switch Fuel Solenoid Valve

Hey everyone,
Wondering if anyone here has installed a solenoid valve to cut off fuel flow 
when the ignition is turned off for their Atomic 4.  My fuel tank has the 
standard hand twist valve at the top of the tank, but for additional safety I 
was thinking about adding a solenoid valve that automatically cuts fuel flow 
when I turn the ignition off.

Just curious if anyone here has done it, if so I'd love to know which valve you 
used plus any other pointers.

Thanks in advance,
Ryan
Nobody's Bargain
1976 C 30mki
New York

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Re: Stus-List Ignition Switch Fuel Solenoid Valve

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Sorry Joe.. I misunderstood.  You're saying that the solenoid valve itself 
should have manual control as well, right?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 23, 2016, at 15:40, Ryan Doyle  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Joe.  Yeah it is a potential failure point.  That's a real concern of 
> mine.  I would keep the original shut off valve and install the solenoid 
> valve down the line.  
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Della Barba, Joe  
>> wrote:
>> Not me –too much of a failure point for my taste.
>> 
>> What I do is turn my fuel pump off and let the engine run the fuel out of 
>> the carb when I am done for the day. ABYC/USCG regs want a manual activation 
>> or bypass if you install one of these.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> Coquina
>> 
>> C 35 MK I
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan 
>> Doyle via CnC-List
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 15:23
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Ryan Doyle
>> Subject: Stus-List Ignition Switch Fuel Solenoid Valve
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hey everyone,
>> 
>> Wondering if anyone here has installed a solenoid valve to cut off fuel flow 
>> when the ignition is turned off for their Atomic 4.  My fuel tank has the 
>> standard hand twist valve at the top of the tank, but for additional safety 
>> I was thinking about adding a solenoid valve that automatically cuts fuel 
>> flow when I turn the ignition off.
>> 
>> Just curious if anyone here has done it, if so I'd love to know which valve 
>> you used plus any other pointers.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Ryan
>> 
>> Nobody's Bargain
>> 
>> 1976 C 30mki
>> 
>> New York
>> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Our issue is the small size of our fleets. When you have less than 10
boats... handicap range from less than 100 to 250, breaking them up is a
problem. Our neighbors on the next river (more room) have spin and non spin
fleets, and I've raced a few times down there - a 'fleet' of four boats?
That's why we do what we do.

 

The other issue is crew. Maybe we should race less often and make a bigger
deal of it, because when racing every other Saturday from May to Oct, it is
tough to get five or six folks every time - so if there are three, we hang
the blue flag and run NS. Or, if it is blowing 20 and the foredeck folks
aren't up to wrestling the 13.5 foot pole around, then out comes the flag.
(Grey hairs on both skipper and crew).

 

Gary

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 3:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jean-Francois J Rivard 
Subject: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

 

Hi Ron, 

We have a pretty simple / easy way to deal with that:  We have spin /
non-spin classes with the same phrf ranges.. 

This way you completely avoid all the complications as it's pretty tricky to
judge the spin's advantage: The effects will depend on the length of the
course, it's nature (Is it 'Reachy', triangle, windward / leeward, etc) and
the boats themselves. Some boats benefit more than others   

I think just "adding XX" to Phrf will skew the results.  Having separate
spin / non-spin classes is much simpler, fairer, and less open to
controversy. 


My 2 cents ,

Good luck with it.

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgia






Greetings folks,We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race with
jib and main only (JAM). ?The PHRF handicaps basically are for spinnaker
racing. ?I believe that there were some clubs, a few only, that adjust
numbers for JAM boats. ?We make adjustments to the numbers for our lake
conditions and style of boat (older displacement etc.), but not sure how to
fix JAM.Polars that I have seen for about 6 boats all show with chute only.
?Does anyone know if there are polars for downwind sailing without chutes?
?How can one arrive at those speeds?Could some of you whose clubs adjust
numbers let me know any info you can on how that is accomplished at your
club? ?And the rationale behind the adjustment.If it gets too specific for
the whole list, we can take it offline later to keep traffic
down.ThanksRonWild CheriC 30-1STL
Regards



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Re: Stus-List Ignition Switch Fuel Solenoid Valve

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Thanks Joe.  Yeah it is a potential failure point.  That's a real concern
of mine.  I would keep the original shut off valve and install the solenoid
valve down the line.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Della Barba, Joe 
wrote:

> Not me –too much of a failure point for my taste.
>
> What I do is turn my fuel pump off and let the engine run the fuel out of
> the carb when I am done for the day. ABYC/USCG regs want a manual
> activation or bypass if you install one of these.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ryan
> Doyle via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 15:23
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Ryan Doyle
> *Subject:* Stus-List Ignition Switch Fuel Solenoid Valve
>
>
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Wondering if anyone here has installed a solenoid valve to cut off fuel
> flow when the ignition is turned off for their Atomic 4.  My fuel tank has
> the standard hand twist valve at the top of the tank, but for additional
> safety I was thinking about adding a solenoid valve that automatically cuts
> fuel flow when I turn the ignition off.
>
> Just curious if anyone here has done it, if so I'd love to know which
> valve you used plus any other pointers.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ryan
>
> Nobody's Bargain
>
> 1976 C 30mki
>
> New York
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Ignition Switch Fuel Solenoid Valve

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Not me –too much of a failure point for my taste.
What I do is turn my fuel pump off and let the engine run the fuel out of the 
carb when I am done for the day. ABYC/USCG regs want a manual activation or 
bypass if you install one of these.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 15:23
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Stus-List Ignition Switch Fuel Solenoid Valve

Hey everyone,
Wondering if anyone here has installed a solenoid valve to cut off fuel flow 
when the ignition is turned off for their Atomic 4.  My fuel tank has the 
standard hand twist valve at the top of the tank, but for additional safety I 
was thinking about adding a solenoid valve that automatically cuts fuel flow 
when I turn the ignition off.

Just curious if anyone here has done it, if so I'd love to know which valve you 
used plus any other pointers.

Thanks in advance,
Ryan
Nobody's Bargain
1976 C 30mki
New York

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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

Hello Ron,

We do the same thing here in Savannah. We have Class A for the spin boats
and Class B for JAM. Your PHRF rating applies to your boat regardless of
the class entered. Saves a lot of RC grief, but the usual "I lost because
my rating sucks" still applies.

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY (C 39TM)
US12788
SAVANNAH, GA


On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Ron,
>
> We have a pretty simple / easy way to deal with that:  We have spin /
> non-spin classes with the same phrf ranges..
>
> This way you completely avoid all the complications as it's pretty tricky
> to judge the spin's advantage: The effects will depend on the length of the
> course, it's nature (Is it 'Reachy', triangle, windward / leeward, etc) and
> the boats themselves. Some boats benefit more than others.
>
> I think just "adding XX" to Phrf will skew the results.  Having separate
> spin / non-spin classes is much simpler, fairer, and less open to
> controversy.
>
>
> My 2 cents ,
>
> Good luck with it.
>
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, Georgia
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Greetings folks,We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race
> with jib and main only (JAM). ?The PHRF handicaps basically are for
> spinnaker racing. ?I believe that there were some clubs, a few only, that
> adjust numbers for JAM boats. ?We make adjustments to the numbers for our
> lake conditions and style of boat (older displacement etc.), but not sure
> how to fix JAM.Polars that I have seen for about 6 boats all show with
> chute only. ?Does anyone know if there are polars for downwind sailing
> without chutes? ?How can one arrive at those speeds?Could some of you whose
> clubs adjust numbers let me know any info you can on how that is
> accomplished at your club? ?And the rationale behind the adjustment.If it
> gets too specific for the whole list, we can take it offline later to keep
> traffic down.ThanksRonWild CheriC 30-1STL
> Regards
>
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Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Ron, 

We have a pretty simple / easy way to deal with that:  We have spin / 
non-spin classes with the same phrf ranges.. 

This way you completely avoid all the complications as it's pretty tricky 
to judge the spin's advantage: The effects will depend on the length of 
the course, it's nature (Is it 'Reachy', triangle, windward / leeward, 
etc) and the boats themselves. Some boats benefit more than others. 

I think just "adding XX" to Phrf will skew the results.  Having separate 
spin / non-spin classes is much simpler, fairer, and less open to 
controversy. 


My 2 cents ,

Good luck with it.

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, Georgia






Greetings folks,We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race 
with jib and main only (JAM). ?The PHRF handicaps basically are for 
spinnaker racing. ?I believe that there were some clubs, a few only, that 
adjust numbers for JAM boats. ?We make adjustments to the numbers for our 
lake conditions and style of boat (older displacement etc.), but not sure 
how to fix JAM.Polars that I have seen for about 6 boats all show with 
chute only. ?Does anyone know if there are polars for downwind sailing 
without chutes? ?How can one arrive at those speeds?Could some of you 
whose clubs adjust numbers let me know any info you can on how that is 
accomplished at your club? ?And the rationale behind the adjustment.If it 
gets too specific for the whole list, we can take it offline later to keep 
traffic down.ThanksRonWild CheriC 30-1STL
Regards



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Stus-List Ignition Switch Fuel Solenoid Valve

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Hey everyone,

Wondering if anyone here has installed a solenoid valve to cut off fuel
flow when the ignition is turned off for their Atomic 4.  My fuel tank has
the standard hand twist valve at the top of the tank, but for additional
safety I was thinking about adding a solenoid valve that automatically cuts
fuel flow when I turn the ignition off.

Just curious if anyone here has done it, if so I'd love to know which valve
you used plus any other pointers.

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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I assume you are talking about a mixed fleet of JAM and chute racers. We have a 
Wednesday night fleet and a club on our river here in St. Michaels – and have 
mixed fleets in each. The Wednesday folks allow a 10% PHRF adjustment for 
non-spinnaker. It works most of the time – in heavy air (where your and my 
30-1’s would be at hull speed anyway) it is enough, in light air, not enough of 
an adjustment. Our courses are in pretty flat water – and end up being mostly 
up and down the river which is up to a half mile wide. The 10% is not enough in 
our rather light conditions.

 

After experiencing that, we made some further adjustments for the Saturday club 
which race down the river where there is more room. We use 15% flat adjustment 
for JAM and half that if you are running a cruising chute which is tacked to 
the bow – no sprits and no pole allowed. It seems to work better and provides a 
more equitable adjustment. Again, in light air, a spinnaker is a big s, but as 
it turns out, if you only have a small or inexperienced crew and are sailing 
short legs, being out there with the adjustment is better than mowing the lawn. 
Both of our fleets (many of us are sailing in both series) have a pretty wide 
range of handicaps.

 

The fast boats are not helped very much – 10 or 15% of 100 doesn’t make much of 
a difference, but of 200, it does.

 

Gary Nylander

St. Michaels MD

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 2:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
Subject: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

 

Greetings folks,

We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race with jib and main only 
(JAM).  The PHRF handicaps basically are for spinnaker racing.  I believe that 
there were some clubs, a few only, that adjust numbers for JAM boats.  We make 
adjustments to the numbers for our lake conditions and style of boat (older 
displacement etc.), but not sure how to fix JAM.

Polars that I have seen for about 6 boats all show with chute only.  Does 
anyone know if there are polars for downwind sailing without chutes?  How can 
one arrive at those speeds?

Could some of you whose clubs adjust numbers let me know any info you can on 
how that is accomplished at your club?  And the rationale behind the adjustment.

If it gets too specific for the whole list, we can take it offline later to 
keep traffic down.

Thanks

Ron

Wild Cheri

C 30-1

STL

 

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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

PHRF Lake Ontario has supplied both FS and NFS ratings ( if appropriate )
for years. They use to track both FS and NFS races and analyze the results.

For 2012 season this was changed to keeping a FS SP based on race results
and using a calculated offset for NFS.

http://phrf-lo.org/index.php?option=com_content=article=508:nfs-delta=93:us-sailing-offshore-office=214

As other have mentioned the delta is around 16 - 18 sec/mile for some 
fractional rigged boats,
in the 22 - 24 sec/mile for many full hoist rigged boats, and 40+ for "sport" 
boats that might
plane or surf extensively.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1
 

Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:26:04 + (UTC) 
From: "Ronald B. Frerker"  
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
Subject: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers 
Message-ID: 
     <1620292786.1504268.1456255564054.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
Greetings folks,We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race with jib 
and main only (JAM). ?The PHRF handicaps basically are for spinnaker racing. ?I 
believe that there were some clubs, a few only, that adjust numbers for JAM 
boats. ?We make adjustments to the numbers for our lake conditions and style of 
boat (older displacement etc.), but not sure how to fix JAM.Polars that I have 
seen for about 6 boats all show with chute only. ?Does anyone know if there are 
polars for downwind sailing without chutes? ?How can one arrive at those 
speeds?Could some of you whose clubs adjust numbers let me know any info you 
can on how that is accomplished at your club? ?And the rationale behind the 
adjustment.If it gets too specific for the whole list, we can take it offline 
later to keep traffic down.ThanksRonWild CheriC 30-1STL 
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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Ron,

New England PHRF has this list as modifications to the standard spinnaker 
ratings

http://www.phrfne.org/uploaded_files/handicap_adjustments_revised_dec_31_2015.pdf

 

Note that the “non-spinnaker” adjustments vary with whether it is a masthead or 
fractional rig…

Chuck Gilchrest

Half Magic  25-1

Orion  35 Landfall

Padanaram MA

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 2:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
Subject: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

 

Greetings folks,

We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race with jib and main only 
(JAM).  The PHRF handicaps basically are for spinnaker racing.  I believe that 
there were some clubs, a few only, that adjust numbers for JAM boats.  We make 
adjustments to the numbers for our lake conditions and style of boat (older 
displacement etc.), but not sure how to fix JAM.

Polars that I have seen for about 6 boats all show with chute only.  Does 
anyone know if there are polars for downwind sailing without chutes?  How can 
one arrive at those speeds?

Could some of you whose clubs adjust numbers let me know any info you can on 
how that is accomplished at your club?  And the rationale behind the adjustment.

If it gets too specific for the whole list, we can take it offline later to 
keep traffic down.

Thanks

Ron

Wild Cheri

C 30-1

STL

 

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Stus-List radar mast/pole on C 32

[Hans-Erik Andersen via CnC-List]

Hello - does anybody have experience mounting a radar mast/pole on a C?
I have some ideas - there seem to be limited options, given the transom,
etc. -- but it would be great if anybody has some pictures of successful
installations

thanks!
Hans Andersen
C 32 "Avatar"
Seattle, WA
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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Ron

Many areas have an adjustment for no spinnaker or publish a NFS rating for 
boats racing with No Flying Sails.

In our area we adjust +18 for masthead boats with no spinnaker or +12 for 
fractional boats with no spinnaker.  Other areas do +12 or +18 regardless if 
masthead or fractional.

These are very simplistic adjustments that typically were designed for boats 
like our original C that have overlapping headsails, no sprits and are non 
planing hulls.  With boats having non overlapping headsails (ex. C 115), 
fractional rigs that are nearly masthead (15/16 etc), sprits, boats whose 
handicap is based on planning off the wind etc … the +12 or +18 really does not 
adjust for the true difference.

However with all this said in our area on a day with decent wind the +12 or +18 
works to a degree and is good enough for JAM type sailing.  We have toyed with 
the idea of different adjustments based on upwind vs downwind sail areas and 
other factors but that is too much work to implement.

Regards

Mike
Persistence
Halifax



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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker
Subject: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

Greetings folks,
We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race with jib and main only 
(JAM).  The PHRF handicaps basically are for spinnaker racing.  I believe that 
there were some clubs, a few only, that adjust numbers for JAM boats.  We make 
adjustments to the numbers for our lake conditions and style of boat (older 
displacement etc.), but not sure how to fix JAM.
Polars that I have seen for about 6 boats all show with chute only.  Does 
anyone know if there are polars for downwind sailing without chutes?  How can 
one arrive at those speeds?
Could some of you whose clubs adjust numbers let me know any info you can on 
how that is accomplished at your club?  And the rationale behind the adjustment.
If it gets too specific for the whole list, we can take it offline later to 
keep traffic down.
Thanks
Ron
Wild Cheri
C 30-1
STL

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Re: Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

See if this is any use to you.
http://phrf-nb.org/2015/PHRFratings.htm

Andy
C 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Greetings folks,
> We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race with jib and main
> only (JAM).  The PHRF handicaps basically are for spinnaker racing.  I
> believe that there were some clubs, a few only, that adjust numbers for JAM
> boats.  We make adjustments to the numbers for our lake conditions and
> style of boat (older displacement etc.), but not sure how to fix JAM.
> Polars that I have seen for about 6 boats all show with chute only.  Does
> anyone know if there are polars for downwind sailing without chutes?  How
> can one arrive at those speeds?
> Could some of you whose clubs adjust numbers let me know any info you can
> on how that is accomplished at your club?  And the rationale behind the
> adjustment.
> If it gets too specific for the whole list, we can take it offline later
> to keep traffic down.
> Thanks
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C 30-1
> STL
>
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Stus-List Handicap questions for JAM racers

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Greetings folks,We have a problem with how to handicap boats that race with jib 
and main only (JAM).  The PHRF handicaps basically are for spinnaker racing.  I 
believe that there were some clubs, a few only, that adjust numbers for JAM 
boats.  We make adjustments to the numbers for our lake conditions and style of 
boat (older displacement etc.), but not sure how to fix JAM.Polars that I have 
seen for about 6 boats all show with chute only.  Does anyone know if there are 
polars for downwind sailing without chutes?  How can one arrive at those 
speeds?Could some of you whose clubs adjust numbers let me know any info you 
can on how that is accomplished at your club?  And the rationale behind the 
adjustment.If it gets too specific for the whole list, we can take it offline 
later to keep traffic down.ThanksRonWild CheriC 30-1STL
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Re: Stus-List New sail for the roller furler?

[Curtis via CnC-List]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’ve never heard of a marina getting discounted pricing on a sail – is
> that common?
>
> Seems like that would complicate their life, what with adjustments,
> measurements, etc.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack
> Fitzgerald via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:33 PM
> *To:* C
> *Cc:* Jack Fitzgerald
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List New sail for the roller furler?
>
>
>
> I suspect "wholesale"
>
>
>
> Jack Fitzgerald
>
> HONEY
> C 39TM
> Savannah, GA
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I'm confused.  What is a "marina perspective"?
>
> Dennis C.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Curtis via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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> I needed a price from a marina perspective.
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Re: Stus-List New sail for the roller furler?

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I’ve never heard of a marina getting discounted pricing on a sail – is that 
common?

Seems like that would complicate their life, what with adjustments, 
measurements, etc.

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List New sail for the roller furler?

 

I suspect "wholesale"

 

Jack Fitzgerald

HONEY
C 39TM
Savannah, GA

 

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I'm confused.  What is a "marina perspective"?

Dennis C.

 

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Curtis via CnC-List  
wrote:

I needed a price from a marina perspective.

 


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Re: Stus-List Wooden Boat Article by Rob Mazza

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 All, the March/April issue of Wooden Boat has a really nice article by Rob 
Mazza about "Pipe Dream"; designed by George Cuthberson; Rob's description of 
how the design came into being is fascinating and very helpful in understanding 
how our boats came to be distinctive as "C"; Rob states that this boat was 
designed in 1958, and it was/is intended as a wooden cruising boat, however, 
when I saw the photograph I was stunned... while the cabin and deck are not the 
typical C, the hull clearly sets the tone  for  the hull shape for all of our 
boats!   Rob, you did a great job on this article, and should do a follow up on 
what happened, design wise, between Pipe Dream and the C production 
designs...maybe a whole book? Fellow listers, get your hands on this article, 
it is required reading for any C historian! 

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255
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Re: Stus-List New sail for the roller furler?

[Curtis via CnC-List]

Its customary, here in the south, that if you own / run or manage a Marina.
Vendors offer a substantial discount given the fact that I have 28 to 30
Sailboats berthing here.

?


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> I'm confused.  What is a "marina perspective"?
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Curtis via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I needed a price from a marina perspective.
>
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Re: Stus-List New sail for the roller furler?

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

I suspect "wholesale"

Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY
C 39TM
Savannah, GA

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> I'm confused.  What is a "marina perspective"?
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Curtis via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I needed a price from a marina perspective.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List New sail for the roller furler?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I'm confused.  What is a "marina perspective"?

Dennis C.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Curtis via CnC-List  wrote:

I needed a price from a marina perspective.
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Re: Stus-List New sail for the roller furler?

[Curtis via CnC-List]

Thanks for the information.
Leitch& McBride was around $500.USD  Higher then the nearest competitor.
 (Retail)
I needed a price from a marina perspective.
However they got a quote out very quick.


Thanks again

Capt, Curtis McDaniel

Dataw Island Marina

Harbor Master

470-313-0918

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

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> Hi Curtis,
>
> the name of the loft was in Fred's message.
>
> here they are: http://www.leitchandmcbride.com/
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
> Vancouver Island
>
>
>
> At 07:34 PM 20/02/2016, you wrote:
>
> So maybe if I buy sail and furler from same shop I may cam get a deal I
> need the name of the shop. Thanx
> On Feb 20, 2016 8:43 PM, "Peter Fell via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
> Yup.
> Â
> Sails are made locally or in a US-based loft ... not offshore.
> Â
> Furlex dealer too if I’m not mistaken.
> Â
> From: Jim Watts via CnC-List 
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 4:27 PM
> To: 1 CnC List 
> Cc: Jim Watts 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New sail for the roller furler?
> Â
> Very good loft.
> Â
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
> Â
> On 20 February 2016 at 15:59, Fred Hazzard via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
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> Leitch & McBride.  250 656 0751 <250%20656%200751>
>
> Â
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*Capt,Curtis McDaniel*



*"At sea, I learned how little a person needs, not how much."470-313-0918*
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Stus-List LF Hull numbers

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Spencer Johnson:

>From your email signature:
'84 LF38 "Alegria" #165

My LF38 is an '83 with hull number 230.  So, is your year built or hull number 
in error?

Bob Boyer

Sent from my iPhone, Bob Boyer

> On Feb 22, 2016, at 9:34 PM, ssjohnson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
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> Spencer Johnson 
> '84 LF38 "Alegria" #165

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