Re: Stus-List Save the date

[Robert Gallagher via CnC-List]

C&C 2016 Northeast Rendezvous -- September 10-12 --

> Mystic, CT -- SAVE THE DATE
>
> Listers,
>
> All C&Cers are welcome to attend our C&C 2016 Northeast Rendezvous at the
> beautiful Mystic Seaport*, September 10-12, 2016. Save the date!
>
> Features include:
> Dockage within the Mystic Seaport Museum (open to boaters after hours when
> the museum is closed)
> $50 per person plus dockage ($4.50 per foot on Saturday night includes
> Sunday night for free)
> Private tour of the Mystic Seaport Collection Resource Center (Exhibits
> that are not on exhibit)
> C&C-Only Planetarium show
> Dockside gatherings
> Informal tours of attendees' C&Cs
> Dockside dinner
> Fundraiser drive to send a kid to the Mystic Seaport Summer Sailing Camp
> ?. and more!
>
> Your hosts:
>
> Rob Gallagher (Hanuman), David Risch (Corsair), Edd Schillay (Starship
> Enterprise) and Don Sweeney (Harbor Lights)
> Event Website (with online registration): http://cncnortheast.com <
> http://cncnortheast.com/>
> Event ?Movie Trailer?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKHpkatTwuk <
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKHpkatTwuk>
>
> We hope to see you there!
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
> * Most likely the only place where you can stay in a 18th-century seaport
> town, while looking at sailboats built in the late 20th century, one of
> which is named after a 23rd-century spaceshipand another the namesake
> of a 2500 year old Hindu deity...


Lest we forget more annual whiskey sharing, late night revelry, flying
Chinese lanterns, cigars, moderately foul language and all around silliness.

Yea yea history, planetariums, tall ships and telescopes blah blah
#blahdymarysforbreakfast.

Be there or regret it for eternity. There will be a special place in hell
for those who fail to appear.

Rob Gallagher.
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Stus-List Garmin Gwind

[Tom Alessi via CnC-List]

Thx for the feedback

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Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

[Rick Rohwer via CnC-List]

When under power you are no longer a sailing vessel.  White Light showing 225 
over port and starboard running lights.  Just one more tug boat.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 19:26, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I don’t recall any requirement in the COLREGS that a “Masthead” light 
> actually be at the top of a mast. And since the “Masthead light” identifies 
> that the boat being observed is a power driven vessel, I would be kind of 
> surprised if there was such a requirement.
>  
> Sailing Vessels display only red and green bow lights and a 135 degree white 
> stern light (or, in the alternative a red, green and white tricolor light at 
> the top of the tallest mast).
>  
> I suppose that’s why sailors like you and I think of the white light on the 
> front of the mast as a Steaming Light. We only turn it on when we are 
> “steaming” and our sailboat becomes a tall power boat.
>  
> The number and positions of the “masthead lights” on a power driven vessel 
> are spelled out in the COLREGS and will indicate the length of the boat (and 
> fore from aft). I do think they need to be the highest lights on display, but 
> I’ve seen masthead lights affixed to a bracket on the top of the wheelhouse 
> on a trawler, and to the strut holding the radar antenna on a tug, and those 
> don’t count as a masts in my book.
> Rick Brass
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
> Coleman via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 10:18 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Bill Coleman 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights
>  
> As they call this a masthead light, does this mean it is supposed to be at 
> the very top of the mast? Mine is just above the baby stay, and is caused 
> chafing on my Genoa. I have never seen a steaming /Deck light anywhere other 
> than half way up the mast, does anyone have any feeling on this? BTW, the 
> reason it is above the baby stay, is because I put track on the mast front 
> for storing the Spinnaker Pole.
> 
>  
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Re: Stus-List Gwind

[William Walker via CnC-List]

No problems through the first season with it.  I do think it is more sensitive 
at the lower wind speeds than the older  instruments. 
Bill Walker
CnC  36
Pentwater, Mi

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On Monday, April 4, 2016 Tom Alessi via CnC-List  wrote:

Just wanted to know how you like the unit. Also was wondering how the wireless 
unit performs.



Tom 

C&C 36

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Stus-List Gwind

[Tom Alessi via CnC-List]

Just wanted to know how you like the unit. Also was wondering how the wireless 
unit performs.


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Re: Stus-List 35-1 Cored Hull?

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

My 35-1 has the same two bands, one at each end of the keel.  When I 
first got the boat the insurance survey found voids at the top end of 
them on one side where the raised part fairs back to the normall hull 
thickness, which had to be from the original layup as there's not much 
load at the top and no sign of cracks.  Nevertheless, my insurance co. 
made me fill those voids with epoxy...


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, NY

On 4/4/2016 8:58 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Yeah, I know, the 35-1 is not a cored hull.  Well, not 100% true.

In the process of re-configuring Touche' batteries to add a dedicated 
start battery, I pulled everything out of the aft dinette storage.  
While the space was empty. I thought I'd grab a picture of the strip 
of core that is at the aft end of the keel.   There's a matching strip 
on the other side.


https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsWmZjYUJwNzBfMTA

This extra structure adds strength at the aft end of the keel in case 
of a hard grounding.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


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Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

I don’t recall any requirement in the COLREGS that a “Masthead” light actually 
be at the top of a mast. And since the “Masthead light” identifies that the 
boat being observed is a power driven vessel, I would be kind of surprised if 
there was such a requirement. 

 

Sailing Vessels display only red and green bow lights and a 135 degree white 
stern light (or, in the alternative a red, green and white tricolor light at 
the top of the tallest mast).

 

I suppose that’s why sailors like you and I think of the white light on the 
front of the mast as a Steaming Light. We only turn it on when we are 
“steaming” and our sailboat becomes a tall power boat.

 

The number and positions of the “masthead lights” on a power driven vessel are 
spelled out in the COLREGS and will indicate the length of the boat (and fore 
from aft). I do think they need to be the highest lights on display, but I’ve 
seen masthead lights affixed to a bracket on the top of the wheelhouse on a 
trawler, and to the strut holding the radar antenna on a tug, and those don’t 
count as a masts in my book.

Rick Brass

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 10:18 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

 

As they call this a masthead light, does this mean it is supposed to be at the 
very top of the mast? Mine is just above the baby stay, and is caused chafing 
on my Genoa. I have never seen a steaming /Deck light anywhere other than half 
way up the mast, does anyone have any feeling on this? BTW, the reason it is 
above the baby stay, is because I put track on the mast front for storing the 
Spinnaker Pole.

 

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Re: Stus-List Garmin Gwind

[wwadjourn]

I have got wired version of gwind.  What do you need to know?Bill 
WalkerEvening StarCnC 36
Sent from my LG G Pad F™ 8.0, an AT&T 4G LTE tablet



-- Original message--From: Pete Shelquist via CnC-List Date: Mon, Apr 
4, 2016 9:50 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com;Cc: Pete Shelquist;Subject:Re: 
Stus-List Garmin Gwind
Not personally, wish I did.  A number of boats in our area have them and have 
spoken highly, especially at low air speeds.  From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tom Alessi via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 7:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Alessi
Subject: Stus-List Garmin Gwind Hey there,Anybody have any experience with the 
Gwind wireless or Gwind cable transducer? Tom Alessi
ANDIAMOC&C 36, 1980Rockaway Beach, NY
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Re: Stus-List Garmin Gwind

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Not personally, wish I did.  A number of boats in our area have them and
have spoken highly, especially at low air speeds.

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Alessi via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 7:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Tom Alessi
Subject: Stus-List Garmin Gwind

 

Hey there,

Anybody have any experience with the Gwind wireless or Gwind cable
transducer?

 

Tom Alessi
ANDIAMO

C&C 36, 1980

Rockaway Beach, NY
tagraph...@optonline.net

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Re: Stus-List 35-1 Cored Hull?

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Based on the C&C 43 drawings I purchased from the Maritime Museum of the Great 
Lakes the C&C team learned from early hull experiences and added reinforcements 
on later hulls.

Maybe an earlier 35-1 owner reported an issue and the extra stiffener was added 
to later hulls.  From the pictures it looks well sealed.

As part of the ongoing restoration projects on Calypso we are adding the 
reinforcements shown on the drawings (some hand drawn in), especially just 
forward of the keel where we already repaired some fractures in Calypso’s hull 
back in 1999.  From several C&C 61 drawings I purchased, both hull #1 of the 
61’s and Calypso, hull # 1 of the 43’s had the same flaw and needed the same 
reinforcements.

I could not determine which hull number of the 43’s first received a “factory 
installed” reinforcement but I expect it was not in time for hull #’s 2 and 3.  
When launched, as “Arieto” in early 1971, our 43 was racing in the SORC within 
a few months.  I expect no mercy was shown regarding backstay and rig pressures 
in securing that year’s 1st in class (10th in fleet) wins.  It likely started 
to show some unexpected hull flex as difficulty in holding forestay tension.

IIRC hull #1 of the 61’s was Sorcery.  If so, I expect Sorcery was raced hard 
enough, with high enough hull and rig forces to precipitate an early issue that 
lead to other boats being inspected and the design team working out the fixes.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:58 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List 35-1 Cored Hull?

Yeah, I know, the 35-1 is not a cored hull.  Well, not 100% true.
In the process of re-configuring Touche' batteries to add a dedicated start 
battery, I pulled everything out of the aft dinette storage.  While the space 
was empty. I thought I'd grab a picture of the strip of core that is at the aft 
end of the keel.   There's a matching strip on the other side.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsWmZjYUJwNzBfMTA
This extra structure adds strength at the aft end of the keel in case of a hard 
grounding.
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List 35-1 Cored Hull?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yep.  That's the other side I referred to.  There are "mirrored" core
strips from about a foot either side of the centerline up to about the
waterline.

Dennis C.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> It seems to me there is a small section of core visible encapsulated like
> that inside the storage area below the starboard settee in my friend's C&C
> 35 Mk.I (1973 vintage).
>
> Ken H.
>
> On 4 April 2016 at 21:58, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I know, the 35-1 is not a cored hull.  Well, not 100% true.
>>
>> In the process of re-configuring Touche' batteries to add a dedicated
>> start battery, I pulled everything out of the aft dinette storage.  While
>> the space was empty. I thought I'd grab a picture of the strip of core that
>> is at the aft end of the keel.   There's a matching strip on the other side.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsWmZjYUJwNzBfMTA
>>
>> This extra structure adds strength at the aft end of the keel in case of
>> a hard grounding.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
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Re: Stus-List 35-1 Cored Hull?

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

It seems to me there is a small section of core visible encapsulated like
that inside the storage area below the starboard settee in my friend's C&C
35 Mk.I (1973 vintage).

Ken H.

On 4 April 2016 at 21:58, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Yeah, I know, the 35-1 is not a cored hull.  Well, not 100% true.
>
> In the process of re-configuring Touche' batteries to add a dedicated
> start battery, I pulled everything out of the aft dinette storage.  While
> the space was empty. I thought I'd grab a picture of the strip of core that
> is at the aft end of the keel.   There's a matching strip on the other side.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsWmZjYUJwNzBfMTA
>
> This extra structure adds strength at the aft end of the keel in case of a
> hard grounding.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
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Stus-List 35-1 Cored Hull?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Yeah, I know, the 35-1 is not a cored hull.  Well, not 100% true.

In the process of re-configuring Touche' batteries to add a dedicated start
battery, I pulled everything out of the aft dinette storage.  While the
space was empty. I thought I'd grab a picture of the strip of core that is
at the aft end of the keel.   There's a matching strip on the other side.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsWmZjYUJwNzBfMTA

This extra structure adds strength at the aft end of the keel in case of a
hard grounding.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Garmin Gwind

[Tom Alessi via CnC-List]

Hey there,
Anybody have any experience with the Gwind wireless or Gwind cable transducer?

Tom Alessi
ANDIAMO
C&C 36, 1980
Rockaway Beach, NY
tagraph...@optonline.net
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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

The image of the one Fred sent out shows 1amp at top and 2.1amp at bottom
ports respectively. Looks like a very nice product for the $.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 4:40 PM Graham Collins via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I notice it doesn't say what amperage it runs.
>
> I've got one of these 
> down below, it will charge at 3.1 amps and will charge my Sony tablet with
> the GPS running, wi-fi and screen on.  Waterproof enough for down below, I
> took it apart to check the innards and they did conformal coat the circuit
> board, so it gets the Graham seal of approval.  More money though, Digikey
> lists it for $60 CAD (which is what, like $30 USD???)...
>
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
>
> On 2016-04-04 6:57 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
>
> There’s a new product out there for USB charging that looks well-built for
> the marine market:
>
>
> http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289962%7C2779792&id=3149912
>
> Nicely priced, too.
>
> — Fred
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for "high power" usb charging ports (i.e. 2+amps@5v as mentioned)
> +1 for Android Tablets. Can't beat the value IMO.
>
> I wired something like this
> 
>  waterproof
> motorcycle usb charger at our helm. It's been working great for 3+years
> with the caveat, that we sail in fresh water. I attached it to the
> underside of our teak drink holder (which slides onto the stainless
> binnacle), so it is partially protected from rain, but certainly not fully.
> I don't claim it to be the most bombproof solution, but the price and
> convenience have been great and we have another hard wired GPS at the helm
> and other charging options on board.[image: Exlight Add on Kit Waterproof
> Durable Double 5v USB Phone GPS Charging 12v Motorcycle Cigarette Lighter
> Integration Motorbike Power Port Socket Charger with Switch Handlebar
> Bracket Mount and Built in Fuse Black in Colour]
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

I notice it doesn't say what amperage it runs.

I've got one of these  
down below, it will charge at 3.1 amps and will charge my Sony tablet 
with the GPS running, wi-fi and screen on. Waterproof enough for down 
below, I took it apart to check the innards and they did conformal coat 
the circuit board, so it gets the Graham seal of approval.  More money 
though, Digikey lists it for $60 CAD (which is what, like $30 USD???)...


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2016-04-04 6:57 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote:
There’s a new product out there for USB charging that looks well-built 
for the marine market:


http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289962%7C2779792&id=3149912

Nicely priced, too.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


+1 for "high power" usb charging ports (i.e. 2+amps@5v as mentioned)
+1 for Android Tablets. Can't beat the value IMO.

I wired somethinglike this 
 waterproof 
motorcycle usb charger at our helm. It's been working great for 
3+years with the caveat, that we sail in fresh water. I attached it 
to the underside of our teak drink holder (which slides onto the 
stainless binnacle), so it is partially protected from rain, but 
certainly not fully. I don't claim it to be the most bombproof 
solution, but the price and convenience have been great and we have 
another hard wired GPS at the helm and other charging options on 
board.Exlight Add on Kit Waterproof Durable Double 5v USB Phone GPS 
Charging 12v Motorcycle Cigarette Lighter Integration Motorbike Power 
Port Socket Charger with Switch Handlebar Bracket Mount and Built in 
Fuse Black in Colour




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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

There’s a new product out there for USB charging that looks well-built for the 
marine market:

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289962%7C2779792&id=3149912
 

Nicely priced, too.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> +1 for "high power" usb charging ports (i.e. 2+amps@5v as mentioned)
> +1 for Android Tablets. Can't beat the value IMO. 
> 
> I wired something like this 
> 
>  waterproof motorcycle usb charger at our helm. It's been working great for 
> 3+years with the caveat, that we sail in fresh water. I attached it to the 
> underside of our teak drink holder (which slides onto the stainless 
> binnacle), so it is partially protected from rain, but certainly not fully. I 
> don't claim it to be the most bombproof solution, but the price and 
> convenience have been great and we have another hard wired GPS at the helm 
> and other charging options on board.

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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

+1 for "high power" usb charging ports (i.e. 2+amps@5v as mentioned)
+1 for Android Tablets. Can't beat the value IMO.

I wired something like this

waterproof
motorcycle usb charger at our helm. It's been working great for 3+years
with the caveat, that we sail in fresh water. I attached it to the
underside of our teak drink holder (which slides onto the stainless
binnacle), so it is partially protected from rain, but certainly not fully.
I don't claim it to be the most bombproof solution, but the price and
convenience have been great and we have another hard wired GPS at the helm
and other charging options on board.[image: Exlight Add on Kit Waterproof
Durable Double 5v USB Phone GPS Charging 12v Motorcycle Cigarette Lighter
Integration Motorbike Power Port Socket Charger with Switch Handlebar
Bracket Mount and Built in Fuse Black in Colour]

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 1:54 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I was very disappointed when the first WiFi only iPad I bought did not
> include GPS capability.  I got a DUAL Bluetooth GPS puck and it works
> great.   Actually a much better GOPS that what is in any tablet as it
> samples many more satellites to establish your position.
>
> As for the iPad power issue, with Navionics, you can shut down the iPad to
> limit battery usage and the app will still track your route which
> eliminates most of the power drain, even if you don not have it plugged
> in.
>
> Tom B
>
> At 12:52 PM 4/4/2016, you wrote:
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:51:39 -0400
> From: "Marek Dziedzic \(hotmail\)" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> That would be difficult ? there are too many.
>
> On the Apple side, it is easy ? you need GSM (cellular) enabled iPad (no
> cellular plan is needed), but the module is shared between the
> GSM(HSUPA/LTE) and GPS.
>
> On the Android side ? look for the specs. If it says GPS ? yes, it is
> good, if it says ? no, don?t buy it; if it says ?assisted GPS? don?t buy it
> , either, it means that it needs cellular signal to find itself.
>
> Marek
>
>
> From: Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List
>
> Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 08:33
> To: Robert Mazza via CnC-List
> Cc: Elizabeth McDonald
> Subject: Stus-List GPS
>
> Someone had posted a list of tablets that had GPS built in, that did not
> need phone service .  Could you list them again, please!
> Jim McDonald
>
> C&C 44
> Breakaweigh 1
> Saint John, NB
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> 1990 C&C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
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Re: Stus-List GPS

[sthoma20--- via CnC-List]

Only some tablets have cellular network capability, and if they do not, then 
they are not likely to have GPS built in either. I bought a 10 inch Samsung Tab 
2 that has LTE capability, and it does work as a chart plotter, but only as 
good as the software down loaded. Hard to find cables for the Tab 2 by the way. 
The 30 pin connector is not the same as on the I-phone-pad stuff. 

I was disappointed that a tablet with LTE connectivity could not be used as a 
cell phone. That decision by the manufacturers is marketing, and not technical. 
Yeah I know there is Skype etc., but it would be handy to make regular phone 
calls with a headset and a large screen. 

Steve Thomas
C&C36
Merritt Island, FL
 


 Bill Coleman via CnC-List  wrote: 
I was just poking around with an Ipad at Costco this weekend, a big one, at
least 13 inches.  This was not being sold through a Cell company.
I could not find any GPS in the settings.

Bill Coleman
C&C 39 Erie, PA




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Stus-List GPS

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I was very disappointed when the first WiFi only iPad I bought did 
not include GPS capability.  I got a DUAL Bluetooth GPS puck and it 
works great.   Actually a much better GOPS that what is in any tablet 
as it samples many more satellites to establish your position.


As for the iPad power issue, with Navionics, you can shut down the 
iPad to limit battery usage and the app will still track your route 
which eliminates most of the power drain, even if you don not have it 
plugged in.


Tom B

At 12:52 PM 4/4/2016, you wrote:

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:51:39 -0400
From: "Marek Dziedzic \(hotmail\)" 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

That would be difficult ? there are too many.

On the Apple side, it is easy ? you need GSM (cellular) enabled iPad 
(no cellular plan is needed), but the module is shared between the 
GSM(HSUPA/LTE) and GPS.


On the Android side ? look for the specs. If it says GPS ? yes, it 
is good, if it says ? no, don?t buy it; if it says ?assisted GPS? 
don?t buy it , either, it means that it needs cellular signal to find itself.


Marek


From: Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 08:33
To: Robert Mazza via CnC-List
Cc: Elizabeth McDonald
Subject: Stus-List GPS

Someone had posted a list of tablets that had GPS built in, that did 
not need phone service .  Could you list them again, please!

Jim McDonald

C&C 44
Breakaweigh 1
Saint John, NB

Sent from my iPad


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
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Stus-List C&C 2016 Northeast Rendezvous -- September 10-12 -- Mystic, CT -- SAVE THE DATE

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

All C&C’ers are welcome to attend our C&C 2016 Northeast Rendezvous at the 
beautiful Mystic Seaport*, September 10-12, 2016. Save the date!

Features include:
Dockage within the Mystic Seaport Museum (open to boaters after hours when the 
museum is closed)
$50 per person plus dockage ($4.50 per foot on Saturday night includes Sunday 
night for free)
Private tour of the Mystic Seaport Collection Resource Center (Exhibits that 
are not on exhibit)
C&C-Only Planetarium show
Dockside gatherings
Informal tours of attendees' C&Cs
Dockside dinner
Fundraiser drive to send a kid to the Mystic Seaport Summer Sailing Camp
…. and more!

Your hosts:

Rob Gallagher (Hanuman), David Risch (Corsair), Edd Schillay (Starship 
Enterprise) and Don Sweeney (Harbor Lights)
Event Website (with online registration): http://cncnortheast.com 
 
Event “Movie Trailer”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKHpkatTwuk 
 

We hope to see you there! 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 


* Most likely the only place where you can stay in a 18th-century seaport town, 
while looking at sailboats built in the late 20th century, one of which is 
named after a 23rd-century spaceship. 










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[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

 Bit late but...I have a 26 with a cascading 4:1 Outhaul on the outside of the boom ‎and a loose footed main. Accessible from the tiller.I can easily adjust draught depth under load beating to windward.sam :-)C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta 

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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

  The GPS on the newer iPads sha‎re the cellular antenna. Hence the need to get the high end iPad with cellular (even if you don't intend to install a chip!)Not the case with the original iPad (although the GPS still only came with the high end pad)sam :-)C&C 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta From: Marek Dziedzic (hotmail) via CnC-ListSent: Monday, April 4, 2016 1:46 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: Marek Dziedzic (hotmail)Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS







Rick,
 
This is a bit of splitting hairs, but your statement is not entirely 
correct. You can easily have a cellular-enabled tablet without the GPS (even if 
it unlikely, especially lately), as much as you can have a Wi-Fi only tablet 
with GPS included.
 
However, for iPads (which by no means constitute the majority of tablets) 
that is true – if you have cellular-enabled iPad, you will get the GPS; if you 
don’t, you won’t.
 
Marek
 


 

From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 11:47
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Rick Brass 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS
 

Any tablet that is capable of getting cellular data must 
have an internal GPS, just like a cell phone. There does not need to be a 
cellular data link for the internal GPS to work.I'm sending this message 
on an older iPad that has never been connected to a cellular 
network.Rick BrassSent from my 
iPad


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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Marek Dziedzic (hotmail) via CnC-List]

That would be difficult – there are too many. 

On the Apple side, it is easy – you need GSM (cellular) enabled iPad (no 
cellular plan is needed), but the module is shared between the GSM(HSUPA/LTE) 
and GPS.

On the Android side – look for the specs. If it says GPS – yes, it is good, if 
it says – no, don’t buy it; if it says “assisted GPS” don’t buy it , either, it 
means that it needs cellular signal to find itself.

Marek


From: Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 08:33
To: Robert Mazza via CnC-List 
Cc: Elizabeth McDonald 
Subject: Stus-List GPS

Someone had posted a list of tablets that had GPS built in, that did not need 
phone service .  Could you list them again, please!
Jim McDonald

C&C 44
Breakaweigh 1
Saint John, NB

Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Marek Dziedzic (hotmail) via CnC-List]

Rick,

This is a bit of splitting hairs, but your statement is not entirely correct. 
You can easily have a cellular-enabled tablet without the GPS (even if it 
unlikely, especially lately), as much as you can have a Wi-Fi only tablet with 
GPS included.

However, for iPads (which by no means constitute the majority of tablets) that 
is true – if you have cellular-enabled iPad, you will get the GPS; if you 
don’t, you won’t.

Marek


From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 11:47
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Rick Brass 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS

Any tablet that is capable of getting cellular data must have an internal GPS, 
just like a cell phone. There does not need to be a cellular data link for the 
internal GPS to work.

I'm sending this message on an older iPad that has never been connected to a 
cellular network.

Rick Brass

Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

That looks exactly like the one I got for my Perko – which didn’t work due to 
the corroded Socket!

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 11:58 AM
To: C&C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

 

Ron,

Marine beam has a replacement for the deck light too.  I have one. 

https://store.marinebeam.com/high-powered-ba9s-deck-steaming-light-led-ba-9s-5w/

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD 

On Apr 4, 2016 11:49 AM, "Ron Ricci via CnC-List"  wrote:

This light looks great as a replacement for the Aqua Signal that I currently 
have expect for one detail.  The connections are via leads which means three 
splices inside your mast.  The Aqua Signal has pressure plate terminals.  On 
mine, I use an LED for the steaming light but am stuck with the 20 watt 
incandescent deck light.

Regards,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 10:23 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

 

Bill — I’m in the process of rewiring my mast and replacing all the mast 
lighting; I’m replacing the steaming/deck combo light with this LED fixture 
from MarineBeam:

 

https://store.marinebeam.com/led-masthead-foredeck-combination-light/

 

They just started shipping these; as a fully-sealed fixture, there shouldn’t be 
any corrosion issues, ever.  I’m also installing their combo masthead 
tricolor/anchor light:

 

https://store.marinebeam.com/led-tri-color-navigation-and-all-around-anchor-light/

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
wrote:

 

Interesting, well, I am replacing a Perko# 120MD  because Perko  decided to use 
plain steel for their light sockets and is corroded beyond repair. This 
Aquasignal Series 25 looks just like the Perko steaming/Deck light, whatever 
they want to call it, so I am going to call it a Steaming/Deck Light. Except 
that, now I see this particular one is not on sale during the Warehouse sale. 
Being a Sailor, and chronically cheap, now this presents another problem. . . . 
.

As they call this a masthead light, does this mean it is supposed to be at the 
very top of the mast? Mine is just above the baby stay, and is caused chafing 
on my Genoa. I have never seen a steaming /Deck light anywhere other than half 
way up the mast, does anyone have any feeling on this? BTW, the reason it is 
above the baby stay, is because I put track on the mast front for storing the 
Spinnaker Pole.

 


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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Hi,

I have use the IPad for navigation successfully for years.   Power consumption 
is not an issue as long as you use a proper usb 12V adapter/plug.  Many of the 
cheaper plugs provide 5V power at 1A or less.
Use a plug which provides power with at least 2A and there will be no problem 
of battery drain while using the iPad and charging.Not only will the iPad 
work fine, but you will also be able to charge your 
phone much faster too.


-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 09:10:45 -0500
> From: Jim Reinardy mailto:firewa...@reinardy.us>>
> To: Frederick G Street via CnC-List  >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS
> Message-ID:  >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Elizabeth,
> 
> Steve is correct, you don?t need a data plan to use the GPS, but an iPad 
> won?t have the GPS hardware without the cellular capability.  However, my 
> experience is that the iPad battery drains quickly with the GPS on full time, 
> so Fred?s suggestion might be a better option for that reason.  I did a 
> charter last year on a boat without a good chartplotter so I used my iPad.  I 
> found that with the 12v system on that boat, I was losing charge even with 
> the iPad plugged in.  I had to shut it down to charge at times just to make 
> sure I had adequate battery for the depth challenged areas I was sailing in.  
> Without the GPS on, it charged just fine.
> 
> Jim Reinardy
> C&C 30-2 ?Firewater?
> Milwaukee, WI

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Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Ron,

Marine beam has a replacement for the deck light too.  I have one.

https://store.marinebeam.com/high-powered-ba9s-deck-steaming-light-led-ba-9s-5w/

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Apr 4, 2016 11:49 AM, "Ron Ricci via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> This light looks great as a replacement for the Aqua Signal that I
> currently have expect for one detail.  The connections are via leads which
> means three splices inside your mast.  The Aqua Signal has pressure plate
> terminals.  On mine, I use an LED for the steaming light but am stuck with
> the 20 watt incandescent deck light.
>
> Regards,
>
> *Ron*
>
> Ron Ricci
>
> S/V Patriot
>
> C&C 37+
>
> Bristol, RI
>
> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
> *Frederick
> G Street via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, April 4, 2016 10:23 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Frederick G Street
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights
>
>
>
> Bill — I’m in the process of rewiring my mast and replacing all the mast
> lighting; I’m replacing the steaming/deck combo light with this LED fixture
> from MarineBeam:
>
>
>
> https://store.marinebeam.com/led-masthead-foredeck-combination-light/
>
>
>
> They just started shipping these; as a fully-sealed fixture, there
> shouldn’t be any corrosion issues, ever.  I’m also installing their combo
> masthead tricolor/anchor light:
>
>
>
>
> https://store.marinebeam.com/led-tri-color-navigation-and-all-around-anchor-light/
>
>
>
> — Fred
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V *Oceanis* (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
>
>
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Interesting, well, I am replacing a Perko# 120MD  because Perko  decided
> to use plain steel for their light sockets and is corroded beyond repair.
> This Aquasignal Series 25 looks just like the Perko steaming/Deck light,
> whatever they want to call it, so I am going to call it a Steaming/Deck
> Light. Except that, now I see this particular one is not on sale during the
> Warehouse sale. Being a Sailor, and chronically cheap, now this presents
> another problem. . . . .
>
> As they call this a masthead light, does this mean it is supposed to be at
> the very top of the mast? Mine is just above the baby stay, and is caused
> chafing on my Genoa. I have never seen a steaming /Deck light anywhere
> other than half way up the mast, does anyone have any feeling on this? BTW,
> the reason it is above the baby stay, is because I put track on the mast
> front for storing the Spinnaker Pole.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Ron — I’m using heat shrink butt connectors, behind the fixture itself.  
There’s enough room there for the three wires and connections.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Ron Ricci via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> This light looks great as a replacement for the Aqua Signal that I currently 
> have expect for one detail.  The connections are via leads which means three 
> splices inside your mast.  The Aqua Signal has pressure plate terminals.  On 
> mine, I use an LED for the steaming light but am stuck with the 20 watt 
> incandescent deck light.
> Regards,
> Ron
> Ron Ricci
> S/V Patriot
> C&C 37+
> Bristol, RI
> ron.ri...@1968.usna.com 
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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I was just poking around with an Ipad at Costco this weekend, a big one, at
least 13 inches.  This was not being sold through a Cell company.
I could not find any GPS in the settings.

Bill Coleman
C&C 39 Erie, PA


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Doyle via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 11:30 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS

Hey guys,

My understanding is that later model iPads and iPhones that are not "WiFi
Only" all have GPS receivers that are entirely separate from the cellular
receiver/transmitter.  So, the GPS receiver will work even if you do not
have a cellular data plan or cellular service.

So, these devices do NOT need cell service to determine your position.
However, you WILL need cellular service to download the map imagery or chart
imagery itself if you have not already downloaded the map or chart imagery
via wifi before your voyage.

Hope this helps clear things up.

This website has detailed technical data for all iPhones and iPads.

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ipad/index-ipad-specs.html

Ryan 


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Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

This light looks great as a replacement for the Aqua Signal that I currently 
have expect for one detail.  The connections are via leads which means three 
splices inside your mast.  The Aqua Signal has pressure plate terminals.  On 
mine, I use an LED for the steaming light but am stuck with the 20 watt 
incandescent deck light.

Regards,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C&C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 10:23 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

 

Bill — I’m in the process of rewiring my mast and replacing all the mast 
lighting; I’m replacing the steaming/deck combo light with this LED fixture 
from MarineBeam:

 

https://store.marinebeam.com/led-masthead-foredeck-combination-light/

 

They just started shipping these; as a fully-sealed fixture, there shouldn’t be 
any corrosion issues, ever.  I’m also installing their combo masthead 
tricolor/anchor light:

 

https://store.marinebeam.com/led-tri-color-navigation-and-all-around-anchor-light/

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
wrote:

 

Interesting, well, I am replacing a Perko# 120MD  because Perko  decided to use 
plain steel for their light sockets and is corroded beyond repair. This 
Aquasignal Series 25 looks just like the Perko steaming/Deck light, whatever 
they want to call it, so I am going to call it a Steaming/Deck Light. Except 
that, now I see this particular one is not on sale during the Warehouse sale. 
Being a Sailor, and chronically cheap, now this presents another problem. . . . 
.

As they call this a masthead light, does this mean it is supposed to be at the 
very top of the mast? Mine is just above the baby stay, and is caused chafing 
on my Genoa. I have never seen a steaming /Deck light anywhere other than half 
way up the mast, does anyone have any feeling on this? BTW, the reason it is 
above the baby stay, is because I put track on the mast front for storing the 
Spinnaker Pole.

 

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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Any tablet that is capable of getting cellular data must have an internal GPS, 
just like a cell phone. There does not need to be a cellular data link for the 
internal GPS to work.

I'm sending this message on an older iPad that has never been connected to a 
cellular network.

Rick Brass

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 08:32, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Someone had posted a list of tablets that had GPS built in, that did not need 
> phone service .  Could you list them again, please!
> Jim McDonald
> 
> C&C 44
> Breakaweigh 1
> Saint John, NB
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Hey guys,

My understanding is that later model iPads and iPhones that are not "WiFi Only" 
all have GPS receivers that are entirely separate from the cellular 
receiver/transmitter.  So, the GPS receiver will work even if you do not have a 
cellular data plan or cellular service.

So, these devices do NOT need cell service to determine your position.  
However, you WILL need cellular service to download the map imagery or chart 
imagery itself if you have not already downloaded the map or chart imagery via 
wifi before your voyage.

Hope this helps clear things up.

This website has detailed technical data for all iPhones and iPads.

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ipad/index-ipad-specs.html

Ryan 


Sent from my iPhone
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[JAMES LEMESURIER via CnC-List]

I have one of these in Marine White.  It's not bad for the price and can be 
hung from the pulpit or boom. 
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Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Bill — all the MarineBeam gear I’ve seen is top-notch; all their LED fixtures 
and lamp replacements have high-end constant-current drivers, which means 
they’ll take anywhere from 10-30VDC without any change in brightness (which 
protects them from damage if, say, your alternator regulator fails and suddenly 
you’re putting out 15+VDC…); and they’re insensitive to polarity, so you can’t 
blow them up by accidentally wiring them positive to negative.  And their warm 
white LEDs look really good, as opposed to the cheap knock-offs.

For me, it’s worth it to have great visibility of all my nav lights under any 
conditions; and to not have to replace any bulbs.  Both of the fixtures I 
purchased are 3NM USCG-approved; many of the lesser fixtures out there are only 
2NM.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Mmm – twice as much as the Aqua Signal.  I wonder if it is twice as good - ?
> Evidently you must think so – OK, Thanks Fred.
>  
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39 Erie, PA

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Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Mmm – twice as much as the Aqua Signal.  I wonder if it is twice as good - ?

Evidently you must think so – OK, Thanks Fred.

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick G 
Street via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 10:23 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

 

Bill — I’m in the process of rewiring my mast and replacing all the mast 
lighting; I’m replacing the steaming/deck combo light with this LED fixture 
from MarineBeam:

 

https://store.marinebeam.com/led-masthead-foredeck-combination-light/

 

They just started shipping these; as a fully-sealed fixture, there shouldn’t be 
any corrosion issues, ever.  I’m also installing their combo masthead 
tricolor/anchor light:

 

https://store.marinebeam.com/led-tri-color-navigation-and-all-around-anchor-light/

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
wrote:

 

Interesting, well, I am replacing a Perko# 120MD  because Perko  decided to use 
plain steel for their light sockets and is corroded beyond repair. This 
Aquasignal Series 25 looks just like the Perko steaming/Deck light, whatever 
they want to call it, so I am going to call it a Steaming/Deck Light. Except 
that, now I see this particular one is not on sale during the Warehouse sale. 
Being a Sailor, and chronically cheap, now this presents another problem. . . . 
.

As they call this a masthead light, does this mean it is supposed to be at the 
very top of the mast? Mine is just above the baby stay, and is caused chafing 
on my Genoa. I have never seen a steaming /Deck light anywhere other than half 
way up the mast, does anyone have any feeling on this? BTW, the reason it is 
above the baby stay, is because I put track on the mast front for storing the 
Spinnaker Pole.

 

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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

I have a bad elf for my iPad mini – works great!

Paul Fountain
Perception II
1985 C&C 33-II k/cb
Port Credit Yacht Club

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 9:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS

You can probably add a GPS antenna with your existing IPad, or buy an IPad with 
a cellular antenna.  Either way, you will appear.

Joel

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad does 
not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if we 
purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>
> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
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Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Bill — I’m in the process of rewiring my mast and replacing all the mast 
lighting; I’m replacing the steaming/deck combo light with this LED fixture 
from MarineBeam:

https://store.marinebeam.com/led-masthead-foredeck-combination-light/ 


They just started shipping these; as a fully-sealed fixture, there shouldn’t be 
any corrosion issues, ever.  I’m also installing their combo masthead 
tricolor/anchor light:

https://store.marinebeam.com/led-tri-color-navigation-and-all-around-anchor-light/
 


— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Interesting, well, I am replacing a Perko# 120MD  because Perko  decided to 
> use plain steel for their light sockets and is corroded beyond repair. This 
> Aquasignal Series 25 looks just like the Perko steaming/Deck light, whatever 
> they want to call it, so I am going to call it a Steaming/Deck Light. Except 
> that, now I see this particular one is not on sale during the Warehouse sale. 
> Being a Sailor, and chronically cheap, now this presents another problem. . . 
> . .
> 
> As they call this a masthead light, does this mean it is supposed to be at 
> the very top of the mast? Mine is just above the baby stay, and is caused 
> chafing on my Genoa. I have never seen a steaming /Deck light anywhere other 
> than half way up the mast, does anyone have any feeling on this? BTW, the 
> reason it is above the baby stay, is because I put track on the mast front 
> for storing the Spinnaker Pole.
> 

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Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Interesting, well, I am replacing a Perko# 120MD  because Perko  decided to use 
plain steel for their light sockets and is corroded beyond repair. This 
Aquasignal Series 25 looks just like the Perko steaming/Deck light, whatever 
they want to call it, so I am going to call it a Steaming/Deck Light. Except 
that, now I see this particular one is not on sale during the Warehouse sale. 
Being a Sailor, and chronically cheap, now this presents another problem. . . . 
.

As they call this a masthead light, does this mean it is supposed to be at the 
very top of the mast? Mine is just above the baby stay, and is caused chafing 
on my Genoa. I have never seen a steaming /Deck light anywhere other than half 
way up the mast, does anyone have any feeling on this? BTW, the reason it is 
above the baby stay, is because I put track on the mast front for storing the 
Spinnaker Pole.

 

--- Original message 
From: Rick Brass via CnC-List  
Date: 4/2/2016 9:32 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Rick Brass  
Subject: Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights 

Because by the definition in the ColRegs, a “Masthead” light is white and shows 
over an arc of 225 degrees facing the bow of the boat. I know, I call it a 
steaming light and that is what the switch on my switch panel says.

 

The all-around white light that you put on when you are at anchor, are aground, 
etc. isn’t called an “Anchor Light” – even though that is what I have marked on 
the switch. That is referred to as an All-around white light in the ColRegs.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Coleman 
via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 8:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Re: Stus-List LED Nav Lights

 

I need another deck/steaming light  like this, but why do they call it a 
Masthead light when it is not 360 degrees?

 

 

 

Bill Coleman 






 

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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

Elizabeth,

Steve is correct, you don’t need a data plan to use the GPS, but an iPad won’t 
have the GPS hardware without the cellular capability.  However, my experience 
is that the iPad battery drains quickly with the GPS on full time, so Fred’s 
suggestion might be a better option for that reason.  I did a charter last year 
on a boat without a good chartplotter so I used my iPad.  I found that with the 
12v system on that boat, I was losing charge even with the iPad plugged in.  I 
had to shut it down to charge at times just to make sure I had adequate battery 
for the depth challenged areas I was sailing in.  Without the GPS on, it 
charged just fine.

Jim Reinardy
C&C 30-2 “Firewater”
Milwaukee, WI

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From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 9:01 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Frederick G Street
Subject: Re: Stus-List GPS

Jim — you can add an external GPS receiver like the Bad Elf via Bluetooth; then 
you’ll have the functionality you need without having to buy a cell-enabled 
iPad.  I’ve got one, and it works great.

http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Elf-2200-Black-silver/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1459778416&sr=8-2&keywords=bad-elf+gps
 


— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>
> I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad does 
> not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if we 
> purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>
>> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
>>
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C&C 32
>> Toronto

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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

I have a Galaxy Tab 4 with Navionics loaded. Although it is ready for cellular 
connection, I do not subscribe. The GPS function works without the aid of cell 
towers.

As mentioned earlier, it’s cheap compared to my Apple devices.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Apr 4, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes
> 
> I have Navionics on 2 tablets (both Android - neither with cellular 
> connection or capability) - I can see my location, speed, heading etc on the 
> app.  IPad should be exactly the same as long as you have the cellular/GPS 
> capability.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George 
> Santayana
> On 2016-04-04 10:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List wrote:
>> I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad 
>> does not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if 
>> we purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> Suhana, C&C 32
>>> Toronto
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the great advice!

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Jim — you can add an external GPS receiver like the Bad Elf via Bluetooth; 
> then you’ll have the functionality you need without having to buy a 
> cell-enabled iPad.  I’ve got one, and it works great.
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Elf-2200-Black-silver/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1459778416&sr=8-2&keywords=bad-elf+gps
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad 
>> does not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if 
>> we purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> Suhana, C&C 32
>>> Toronto
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[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Jim — you can add an external GPS receiver like the Bad Elf via Bluetooth; then 
you’ll have the functionality you need without having to buy a cell-enabled 
iPad.  I’ve got one, and it works great.

http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Elf-2200-Black-silver/dp/B008VWNBBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1459778416&sr=8-2&keywords=bad-elf+gps
 


— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad does 
> not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if we 
> purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
>> 
>> Steve
>> Suhana, C&C 32
>> Toronto

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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

Yes

I have Navionics on 2 tablets (both Android - neither with cellular 
connection or capability) - I can see my location, speed, heading etc on 
the app.  IPad should be exactly the same as long as you have the 
cellular/GPS capability.


Mark




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George Santayana

On 2016-04-04 10:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List wrote:

I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad does 
not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if we 
purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!

Sent from my iPad


On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List  
wrote:

iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto

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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

You can probably add a GPS antenna with your existing IPad, or buy an IPad
with a cellular antenna.  Either way, you will appear.

Joel

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad
> does not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app,
> if we purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to
> work.
> >
> > Steve
> > Suhana, C&C 32
> > Toronto
> >
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Re: Stus-List GPS

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

Pretty much all Android tablets have built in GPS -- a lot of cheaper 
options that are less concerning if they get wet.
One nice bonus - if you buy the Navionics app for one tablet - then all 
android devices that use the same account can use the app.



As I understand from previous discussions on this list - Apple has the 
GPS components on the tied to the cellular network components --- so 
iPad needs to be cellular capable to access GPS.


Mark

There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
  - George Santayana

On 2016-04-04 9:32 AM, Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List wrote:

Someone had posted a list of tablets that had GPS built in, that did not need 
phone service .  Could you list them again, please!
Jim McDonald

C&C 44
Breakaweigh 1
Saint John, NB

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[Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List]

I should have qualified the question, we downloaded Navionics, our I pad does 
not have GPS, therefore, no ship icon!   Will it appear on this app, if we 
purchase this I pad with GPS, but without a phone plan!

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
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Re: Stus-List *****SPAM***** Re: Bluetooth Speakers on Deck

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Also give a listen to the UE speakers.   They come with a bit of shock chord 
that easily wraps around a pulpit.

John

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Dreuge via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Have you heard of the Amazon Tap?
> 
> It is an Alexa enabled bluetooth speaker with claims of a 9hr battery life 
> and can be charged via a USB cable. 
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VXS8E8S/?ref_=pe_1457740_187773290_ods_em_ha_fx_strt_ecg
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
> 
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 9:07 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> From: Jim Giffing via CnC-List > >
>> To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
>> Cc: Jim Giffing mailto:jgiff...@gmail.com>>
>> Sent: Sat, Apr 2, 2016 8:18 pm
>> Subject: Stus-List Bluetooth Speakers on Deck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Anyone have any experience with portable bluetooth speakers on deck?
>> Been considering mounting one on my stern pulpit,
>> Want something with long battery life... full day
>> Will pair it with my iphone which I will likely leave below deck
>> And care about sound quality with rich bass, etc,
>> 
>> 
>> Just wondering --- been googling reviews, but nope found for boats.
>> 
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[Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List]

Does your vessel appear on the display?

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:11 AM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
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[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

iPad with cellular, doesn't need a phone subscription for the GPS to work.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Bluetooth Speakers on Deck

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

"Install a stereo with Bluetooth or MP3 aux input and installed speakers."
This.

One of the first things I did on Suhana. The PO had installed cockpit
speakers but never installed the marine deck he had purchased some years
prior. The uninstalled deck was included when I purchased the boat but it
was old and had no features so I purchased a Kenwood car stereo, new for
about $100. Has served very well. I keep my phone in my pocket so when I'm
at the helm I can play music to it via bluetooth. If you want to keep the
iphone inside the boat and the portable speaker outside, I think you're
doing it backwards :)

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Bluetooth Speakers on Deck

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Have you heard of the Amazon Tap?

It is an Alexa enabled bluetooth speaker with claims of a 9hr battery life and 
can be charged via a USB cable. 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VXS8E8S/?ref_=pe_1457740_187773290_ods_em_ha_fx_strt_ecg
 



-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/



> On Apr 3, 2016, at 9:07 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> From: Jim Giffing via CnC-List  >
> To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Jim Giffing mailto:jgiff...@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Sat, Apr 2, 2016 8:18 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Bluetooth Speakers on Deck
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone have any experience with portable bluetooth speakers on deck?
> Been considering mounting one on my stern pulpit,
> Want something with long battery life... full day
> Will pair it with my iphone which I will likely leave below deck
> And care about sound quality with rich bass, etc,
> 
> 
> Just wondering --- been googling reviews, but nope found for boats.
> 
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Stus-List GPS

[Elizabeth McDonald via CnC-List]

Someone had posted a list of tablets that had GPS built in, that did not need 
phone service .  Could you list them again, please!
Jim McDonald

C&C 44
Breakaweigh 1
Saint John, NB

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Re: Stus-List stoves

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Thanks Josh, but I'm already "stoved up". Let's 
see, there's the Force 10, a Seaward Princess and a Hillerange, all with oven.


Cheers, Russ

At 09:28 PM 03/04/2016, you wrote:

You're welcome to shoot me a price for my good 
condition Force 10 and I'll replace it with a Wallas.


Josh
On Apr 4, 2016 12:22 AM, "Russ & Melody via 
CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Hi Pete,

you can be confident in a Force 10 replacement. 
It's what I would consider as first choice, but look at the others.


        Cheers, Russ

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I’m considering replacing the propane 
stove.Â.  Any advice or strong opinions on make/model?

Thanks,
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Re: Stus-List *****SPAM***** Re: stoves

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

And then you can turn to ex propane locker into a beer cooler!

John

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> On Apr 4, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> You're welcome to shoot me a price for my good condition Force 10 and I'll 
> replace it with a Wallas.
> 
> Josh
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016 12:22 AM, "Russ & Melody via CnC-List" 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi Pete,
>> 
>> you can be confident in a Force 10 replacement. It's what I would consider 
>> as first choice, but look at the others.
>> 
>> Cheers, Russ
>> 
>> At 08:19 PM 03/04/2016, you wrote:
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>>> Content-Language: en-us
>>> 
>>> I’m considering replacing the propane stove.  Any advice or strong 
>>> opinions on make/model?
>>> Thanks,
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