Stus-List t-shirts?

[Richard Walter via CnC-List]

Ahoy,
My Stu's List C t-shirt gets heavy rotation and it is time for a replacement. 
Are there any available?

Richards/v INDIGO
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Re: Stus-List Singing Rigging

[Bernard Bauman via CnC-List]

Is that why they call it "tuning the rigging"?
BernieEx C 25 #342Shopping for new boat

 Original message 
From: Franklin Schenk via CnC-List  
Date: 07/25/2016  9:09 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Franklin Schenk , Christian Tirtirau 
 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Singing Rigging 

I think what is happening is that either a shroud or a stay has hit resonant 
frequency.  I think that either tightening or loosing it will eliminate the 
noise.  Resonant frequency is the natural frequency of an object.  This happens 
to my wife when she gets mad at me and is wound up tight.
FrankC 29 

On Monday, July 25, 2016 3:16 PM, Christian Tirtirau via CnC-List 
 wrote:
  

 Hello fellow seers,
I'm getting this humming in the mast as soon as I have a little breeze while on 
the mooring ball and it's really annoying. At first I thought it was a 
generator or an engine sound propagated by water but I realized it's the 
strings of this big violin that are singing. Any idea how you get rid of that 
without messing up the rig balance? Is it the baby stay? I have a lower that is 
a little loose and when I tension it the sound pitch changes but does not go 
away.
Cheers,
Christian Tirtirau
C 37 Northern Light

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Re: Stus-List Singing Rigging

[Franklin Schenk via CnC-List]

I think what is happening is that either a shroud or a stay has hit resonant 
frequency.  I think that either tightening or loosing it will eliminate the 
noise.  Resonant frequency is the natural frequency of an object.  This happens 
to my wife when she gets mad at me and is wound up tight.
FrankC 29 

On Monday, July 25, 2016 3:16 PM, Christian Tirtirau via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Hello fellow seers,
I'm getting this humming in the mast as soon as I have a little breeze while on 
the mooring ball and it's really annoying. At first I thought it was a 
generator or an engine sound propagated by water but I realized it's the 
strings of this big violin that are singing. Any idea how you get rid of that 
without messing up the rig balance? Is it the baby stay? I have a lower that is 
a little loose and when I tension it the sound pitch changes but does not go 
away.
Cheers,
Christian Tirtirau
C 37 Northern Light

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Re: Stus-List Shouldn't there be some kind of Wally Award?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Nice blog site, Dave.

I don't think I could afford a website for Touche's refurbishment and
upgrades.  :)

It's still a work in progress after 17 years.  Just in the last few weeks:
Noland AM43 multiplexer to finally get the Nexus instruments and the Simrad
WP30 wheelpilot talking, lifeline gate on starboard side (because our
"temporary" slip in Pensacola has starboard side finger pier), spinnaker
halyard parking bracket and cam cleat (Why?  Because I wanted one).  These
after the refrigeration and dedicated start battery install.

The bullet list of all the upgrades is 6 pages long.  And the list goes on
and on..

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Ainslie via CnC-List  wrote:

> Agreed. I believe I’m facing this task sometime in the future on my 35-3,
> and I’ve read Dave’s blogs several times over just to acquaint myself with
> procedures. It appears Dave was able to do this with the keel attached, so
> that makes the job seem somewhat less daunting. But not much! It would be
> interesting to follow up on the idea of using concrete for filler…
>
>
>
> Jason
>
> Spirit
>
> 1984 35 Mk III
>
> Bayfield, ON
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Lee
> Youngblood via CnC-List
> *Sent:* July-25-16 1:43 AM
> *To:* Rick Brass via CnC-List
> *Cc:* Lee Youngblood
> *Subject:* Stus-List Shouldn't there be some kind of Wally Award?
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I went to Dave’s Windstar site, and I think we need some kind of Wally
> Award for folks, not only fixing up these good old boats, but documenting
> and sharing their process. I know, I know, he’s not starting with a hole in
> the water, but let’s at least give him a little encouragement, and lots of
> thanks.
>
> This is, after all what,makes this list so great, and helps us all keep
> sailing. . .
>
>
>
> 2 cents, Lee
>
> s/v Simplicity
>
> A 1974 C 35-II project.
>
> As Gary says, West of Ballard.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Dave Syer via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/p/blog-page.html
>
>
>
> Plenty of upgrades, dedicated start battery, new panel, ACR, battery
> monitor, revised grounding etc.
>
>
>
> Just the engine key relocation to consider and the LED lighting upgrades
> to finish plus installation of Calframo fans and .. well the fridge and
> maybe an automatic bilge pump.   So, nearly done!
>
>
>
> Other work also documented and posted.
>
>
>
> Dave  33-2 Windstar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Singing Rigging

[Charles Nelson via CnC-List]

Ahhh the vortices! Only relatively recently were these observed in experiments 
done on 'bumble bee' flight. IIRC, they were shown to be a significant source 
of lift for these large bees, without which they either could not fly or 
certainly not fly as well as they do!

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
C 36 XL/kcb

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Don Wagner via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> This is technically known as "vortex shedding". It's a natural phenomena 
> caused by the air flow around a round cylinder ( the rod or the wire) and 
> occurs at certain wind speeds. At normal speeds, normal flow occurs, and 
> there's no vibration. At certain higher speeds, vortexes develop, and induce 
> vibrations in the rigging. Tightening or loosing the rigging will usually 
> reduce the effect. You can find a more complete description on the internet.
> 
> Note: Commercial airliners have observed the problem at their wing tips, and 
> many recently added small winglets at the ends of their wings.  I believe 
> this reduces energy loss, reduces the vibration, and improves their fuel 
> mileage.
> 
> Don Wagner
> C 41 CB
> Der Baron
> West River MD
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Christian Tirtirau via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 11:04 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Christian Tirtirau
> Subject: Stus-List Singing Rigging
> 
> Hello fellow seers,
> I'm getting this humming in the mast as soon as I have a little breeze while 
> on the mooring ball and it's really annoying. At first I thought it was a 
> generator or an engine sound propagated by water but I realized it's the 
> strings of this big violin that are singing. Any idea how you get rid of that 
> without messing up the rig balance? Is it the baby stay? I have a lower that 
> is a little loose and when I tension it the sound pitch changes but does not 
> go away.
> Cheers,
> Christian Tirtirau
> C 37 Northern Light
> 
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Re: Stus-List C 34-1 Stanchion Bases

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Jeremy

Holland Marine had them.  You could check there web site.  When I renewed some 
of mine they had two styles.  Make sure you get the right design, they are not 
interchangeable.

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Jul 25, 2016, at 7:56 PM, Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> In my questions about re-bedding stanchions, Chris mentioned that I should 
> check the bases for cracks.  Looks like a good number of them are cracked.  
> Also, the pushpit bases are cracked.  
> 
> Any recommendations from the list on where to source the replacements?  
> 
> I'm thinking I should replace them all, even the ones that aren't noticeably 
> broken.  
> 
> Thanks,
>   Jeremy
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Re: Stus-List Singing Rigging

[Don Wagner via CnC-List]

This is technically known as "vortex shedding". It's a natural phenomena 
caused by the air flow around a round cylinder ( the rod or the wire) and 
occurs at certain wind speeds. At normal speeds, normal flow occurs, and 
there's no vibration. At certain higher speeds, vortexes develop, and induce 
vibrations in the rigging. Tightening or loosing the rigging will usually 
reduce the effect. You can find a more complete description on the internet.


Note: Commercial airliners have observed the problem at their wing tips, and 
many recently added small winglets at the ends of their wings.  I believe 
this reduces energy loss, reduces the vibration, and improves their fuel 
mileage.


Don Wagner
C 41 CB
Der Baron
West River MD



-Original Message- 
From: Christian Tirtirau via CnC-List

Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 11:04 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Christian Tirtirau
Subject: Stus-List Singing Rigging

Hello fellow seers,
I'm getting this humming in the mast as soon as I have a little breeze while 
on the mooring ball and it's really annoying. At first I thought it was a 
generator or an engine sound propagated by water but I realized it's the 
strings of this big violin that are singing. Any idea how you get rid of 
that without messing up the rig balance? Is it the baby stay? I have a lower 
that is a little loose and when I tension it the sound pitch changes but 
does not go away.

Cheers,
Christian Tirtirau
C 37 Northern Light

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Stus-List C 34-1 Stanchion Bases

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

In my questions about re-bedding stanchions, Chris mentioned that I should
check the bases for cracks.  Looks like a good number of them are cracked.
Also, the pushpit bases are cracked.

Any recommendations from the list on where to source the replacements?

I'm thinking I should replace them all, even the ones that aren't
noticeably broken.

Thanks,
  Jeremy
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Re: Stus-List Singing Rigging

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Christian,

Attaching something to the shrouds that would dampen the vibrations will
help.  If it is the lower shrouds you might be able to stretch a rubber band
around the pair to quiet them down.  On a single shroud, a weighty piece of
rubber attached to it should help, preferably something streamlined that
doesn't create too much drag.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
C 35 Mk-III "Midnight Mistress"
Hampton VA



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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Christian
Tirtirau via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 11:04
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Christian Tirtirau 
Subject: Stus-List Singing Rigging

Hello fellow seers,
I'm getting this humming in the mast as soon as I have a little breeze while
on the mooring ball and it's really annoying. At first I thought it was a
generator or an engine sound propagated by water but I realized it's the
strings of this big violin that are singing. Any idea how you get rid of
that without messing up the rig balance? Is it the baby stay? I have a lower
that is a little loose and when I tension it the sound pitch changes but
does not go away.
Cheers,
Christian Tirtirau
C 37 Northern Light

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Re: Stus-List Shouldn't there be some kind of Wally Award?

[Ainslie via CnC-List]

Agreed. I believe I'm facing this task sometime in the future on my 35-3,
and I've read Dave's blogs several times over just to acquaint myself with
procedures. It appears Dave was able to do this with the keel attached, so
that makes the job seem somewhat less daunting. But not much! It would be
interesting to follow up on the idea of using concrete for filler.

 

Jason

Spirit

1984 35 Mk III

Bayfield, ON

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee
Youngblood via CnC-List
Sent: July-25-16 1:43 AM
To: Rick Brass via CnC-List
Cc: Lee Youngblood
Subject: Stus-List Shouldn't there be some kind of Wally Award?

 

Hi All,

 

I went to Dave's Windstar site, and I think we need some kind of Wally Award
for folks, not only fixing up these good old boats, but documenting and
sharing their process. I know, I know, he's not starting with a hole in the
water, but let's at least give him a little encouragement, and lots of
thanks.

This is, after all what,makes this list so great, and helps us all keep
sailing. . .

 

2 cents, Lee

s/v Simplicity

A 1974 C 35-II project.

As Gary says, West of Ballard.

 

 

On Jul 24, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Dave Syer via CnC-List 
wrote:





http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/p/blog-page.html

 

Plenty of upgrades, dedicated start battery, new panel, ACR, battery
monitor, revised grounding etc.

 

Just the engine key relocation to consider and the LED lighting upgrades to
finish plus installation of Calframo fans and .. well the fridge and maybe
an automatic bilge pump.   So, nearly done!

 

Other work also documented and posted.

 

Dave  33-2 Windstar.

 

 

   

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Singing Rigging

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Sometimes even a clothespin on the shroud will prevent the harmonic hum.

Joel

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:19 PM, William Hall via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I had the exact same thing after taking down and putting the mast back
> up.  The previous owner said that the exact arrangement in which the
> shrouds were attached made the difference. I'm not sure exactly what he
> meant, but last year we took the rig down to transport via road, and
> evidently it was put back up the right way now, no hum.
>
> Bill Hall
> 1985 C 37
> Starfire
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Christian Tirtirau via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello fellow seers,
>> I'm getting this humming in the mast as soon as I have a little breeze
>> while on the mooring ball and it's really annoying. At first I thought it
>> was a generator or an engine sound propagated by water but I realized it's
>> the strings of this big violin that are singing. Any idea how you get rid
>> of that without messing up the rig balance? Is it the baby stay? I have a
>> lower that is a little loose and when I tension it the sound pitch changes
>> but does not go away.
>> Cheers,
>> Christian Tirtirau
>> C 37 Northern Light
>>
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Re: Stus-List Singing Rigging

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

If you have an adjustable backstay, that's probably the easiest way to
change tension in the rig and remove resonance.  The hum we get is usually
the forestay and this takes care of it nicely.

Pete
C 
Celebration


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Christian
Tirtirau via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:04 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Christian Tirtirau
Subject: Stus-List Singing Rigging

Hello fellow seers,
I'm getting this humming in the mast as soon as I have a little breeze while
on the mooring ball and it's really annoying. At first I thought it was a
generator or an engine sound propagated by water but I realized it's the
strings of this big violin that are singing. Any idea how you get rid of
that without messing up the rig balance? Is it the baby stay? I have a lower
that is a little loose and when I tension it the sound pitch changes but
does not go away.
Cheers,
Christian Tirtirau
C 37 Northern Light

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Stus-List Singing Rigging

[Christian Tirtirau via CnC-List]

Hello fellow seers,
I'm getting this humming in the mast as soon as I have a little breeze while on 
the mooring ball and it's really annoying. At first I thought it was a 
generator or an engine sound propagated by water but I realized it's the 
strings of this big violin that are singing. Any idea how you get rid of that 
without messing up the rig balance? Is it the baby stay? I have a lower that is 
a little loose and when I tension it the sound pitch changes but does not go 
away.
Cheers,
Christian Tirtirau
C 37 Northern Light

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Re: Stus-List 33-2 Electrical upgrades,

[mike amirault via CnC-List]

Hi Dave, you would be well advised to put some kind on guard over your main 
breaker on your battery switch. Every C ii I have seen has a broken lever 
on that breaker. Somebody is bound to step on it; happened to me twice. I made 
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Stus-List AH 4000 users

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Does anyone but me still use the old AH4000 wheel pilot? I am modifying mine to 
mount below decks with remote buttons in the cockpit. If anyone else still has 
these things I can post some photos on my website of the process.
Joe
Coquina
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Re: Stus-List Dull red hull

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

I echo Francois's approach too. I have the same buffer (but got it for $39
at one of the H-Freight sales) and have been using 3m Restorer & Wax
 with
wool pads (also from H-freight). I am for now just doing 1 pass and it is
looking great!

My hull was very very chalky. I guess that it hasn't been polished in at
least 10 years. It has taken a lot of work (2/3 rds done, still working on
it). My neighbor just had his boat done by a professional with 3 steps (wet
sanding, compounding, polishing) and I would say that my hull looks just as
good and started out looking much worse IMO. He paid $2000 for the work,
though his deck was also done. I would say he definitely got his money's
worth, because it is a lot of work, especially with the boat in the water,
as mine is, but I am very happy with the way my hull has come back to life.

I aspire to add another coat of wax after I've done the first pass, but it
looks great regardless. The deck is the next task.

Kevin
30-2


On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:15 AM Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Frank,
>
> I tried several things and my best result was take all oxidation with a
> high speed polisher with wool pads / 3M super duty, wet sand it with
> 1500-2000 grit paper and lots of water then buff with a high speed polisher
> with wool pads, 3M Finesse-it compound or Meguire's fine compound. And
> finish with 3 coats of Meguire's Carnauba wax. That's how the pros that
> charge you $1,200 bucks do it. It was a lot of work but the 25 year old
> boat looked better than new.
>
> See picture: https://www.flickr.com/photos/133565480@N04/26529592414/
>
> On It's been 3 years and very little wax, just a light coat at the dock
> once a year or so and it still looks great. The key here is that the super
> shine is not artificially created by the wax, the gelcoat itself is just
> that smooth.  Nothing sticks to it. Zebra stripes are a spritz of Starbrite
> cleaner and light wipe away, scuffs disappear with a touch of cleaner wax.
>
> You don't' have to spend a fortune on the polisher either. I got the one
> shown on the link for 49 bucks it has slow start and digital speed control
> which is more just a gadget, you can control the speed in a very fine way
> and it keeps constant RPM. I figured if it lasts long enough to do the boat
> it paid for itself compared to paying somebody to do it. I'm sure it's
> still good for several boats.   If you can get someone to show you how to
> use it that's even better.  If I lived closer I'd let you borrow it.
>
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/7-in-10-Amp-Heavy-Duty-Digital-Variable-Speed-Polisher-69696.html
>
> I kind of went overboard and bought a dual action polisher as well for the
> finishing buff and apply  / buff the wax. I thought it was finer for that
> mirror finish (Plus it's awesome to buff the ports):
> http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/polishers/6-in-57-amp-heavy-duty-dual-action-variable-speed-polisher-69924.html
>
>
> Good Luck,
>
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
>
>
> Jul 20, 2016, at 10:27 PM, Franklin Schenk via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> wrote:
>
>  My friend has a C with a red hull.  I would like to polish it with
> something to bring back the original color.  Many years ago I could buy a
> car polish that would do the job.  I assume that there are new products
> available today.  Any suggestions?
>
> Frank
>
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Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

[RANDY via CnC-List]

That's the same setup I've got on my hull #7 - a cable bolted from cast metal 
box under mast, to keel bolt. Probably original. 

I haven't seen one first-hand, but have heard of lightning strikes to sailboats 
on my lake (Chatfield Reservoir) that have fried electronics and in one case 
blown a hole in a hull. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

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From: "Gary Nylander via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Gary Nylander"  
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:27:54 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki 

On my 1980 version, I assume the 'grounding' system is original. There is a 
cast metal box which the mast sits in and which in turn sits on the big oak 
block. That box has a battery cable bolted to it which is attached to a keel 
bolt. Hope it works. 

Gary 
#593 

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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:00 AM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Ryan Doyle  
Subject: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki 

Hey guys, 

Wondering if anyone can describe to me how they've ground their mast. I 
have a 1976 30mki and we got caught out in a very fast-moving t-storm this 
weekend and I realized I should have done this when I bought the boat last 
fall. My mast step is not original. It is a big, fat piece of mahogany - 
which I envision blasting apart if the mast took a direct strike. 

The only idea I've had is using a steel ring clamp to attach a terminal on a 
very large gauge wire (maybe 2 gauge?) to the bottom of the mast, then run 
this wire a foot or two aft and down into the bilge to a keel bolt where I 
would have a second ring clamp hold the wire's terminal to a keel bolt. I 
worry about how this would look and I also worry whether it would even be 
effective. 

Anyone have a better solution? 

Thanks in advance. Hope you're all having a wonderful sailing summer. 

Ryan 

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Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The lightning that hit the boat with an ungrounded deck-stepped mast blew a 
nice big hole through the bottom of the boat on the way out.
Joe
Coquina

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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 12:10
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Marek Dziedzic
Subject: Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

This is not exactly the case.

Keep in mind that a lighting generates a current in thousands of A. That high 
current generates magnetic field around it. In turn this magnetic field 
generates current in any conductor in the neighbourhood (this includes, but is 
not limited to, any electronic equipment (one assumes that there are some wires 
in it) and any metal object (e.g. keys in your pocket or the pushpit of the 
boat)). Grounding (or not) would not prevent the electronics from getting 
fried; bonding might (provided that it is correctly done and with sufficient 
wiring).

It seems that this is a good practice to ground the mast to the keel bolt, but 
in no way it provides all the protection you would want to have.

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: Robert Boyer via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 11:41
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Boyer
Subject: Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

Lightning is actually attracted to a grounded object.  My boat has been hit by 
lightning twice--mast was grounded to keel bolt.  Most of my electronics were 
fried each time.  So, if anyone claims that grounding works, I think they have 
been more lucky than wise.

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

On Jul 25, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Bernard Bauman via CnC-List 
> wrote:
I’ve heard in the past of this being done, but using chain.  Does anyone know 
of instances where this actually works and prevents lightening bolt from 
entering the cabin?

Bernie
Ex C 25 (hull # 342)
Shopping for a new boat
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:39 AM
To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

I run 4 gauge wire from the bottom of my mast to the nearest keel bolt. This is 
vastly better than nothing.
If you really want to get into it, you would need to tie in all the rigging and 
provide exit terminals at the water line. This website will give you some 
ideas: http://marinelightning.com/Siedarc.htm . If you want to be cheap, do 
what we did dating back to the 1960s at least - buy jumper cables and pull them 
apart to make 2 separate cables. Clamp one on each upper shroud and hang the 
other end in the water.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
Worst lightning hit so far blew the VHF antenna off and ruined the battery 
switch with no other damage

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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:00
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

Hey guys,

Wondering if anyone can describe to me how they've ground their mast.  I have a 
1976 30mki and we got caught out in a very fast-moving t-storm this weekend and 
I realized I should have done this when I bought the boat last fall.  My mast 
step is not original.  It is a big, fat piece of mahogany - which I envision 
blasting apart if the mast took a direct strike.

The only idea I've had is using a steel ring clamp to attach a terminal on a 
very large gauge wire (maybe 2 gauge?) to the bottom of the mast, then run this 
wire a foot or two aft and down into the bilge to a keel bolt where I would 
have a second ring clamp hold the wire's terminal to a keel bolt.  I worry 
about how this would look and I also worry whether it would even be effective.

Anyone have a better solution?

Thanks in advance.  Hope you're all having a wonderful sailing summer.

Ryan

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Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

On my 1980 version, I assume the 'grounding' system is original. There is a
cast metal box which the mast sits in and which in turn sits on the big oak
block. That box has a battery cable bolted to it which is attached to a keel
bolt. Hope it works.

Gary
#593

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Cc: Ryan Doyle 
Subject: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

Hey guys,

Wondering if anyone can describe to me how they've ground their mast.  I
have a 1976 30mki and we got caught out in a very fast-moving t-storm this
weekend and I realized I should have done this when I bought the boat last
fall.  My mast step is not original.  It is a big, fat piece of mahogany -
which I envision blasting apart if the mast took a direct strike.

The only idea I've had is using a steel ring clamp to attach a terminal on a
very large gauge wire (maybe 2 gauge?) to the bottom of the mast, then run
this wire a foot or two aft and down into the bilge to a keel bolt where I
would have a second ring clamp hold the wire's terminal to a keel bolt.  I
worry about how this would look and I also worry whether it would even be
effective.

Anyone have a better solution?

Thanks in advance.  Hope you're all having a wonderful sailing summer.  

Ryan

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Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Joe:

That's only one data point and I think there are so many variables involved 
with lightning strikes that you really can't draw much of a conclusion.  There 
are all different degrees of lightning strikes--the one you were involved with 
may have been among the worst.  I have two data points that may have been 
milder hits since my boat didn't sink.

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore)

> On Jul 25, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> No – they were wise. I have worked on a boat with no ground system that was 
> hit. Step one was to get salvage divers to inflate airbags inside the boat 
> and get it back up to the surface!
> Joe
> Coquina
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert 
> Boyer via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 11:40
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Robert Boyer
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki
>  
> Lightning is actually attracted to a grounded object.  My boat has been hit 
> by lightning twice--mast was grounded to keel bolt.  Most of my electronics 
> were fried each time.  So, if anyone claims that grounding works, I think 
> they have been more lucky than wise.
>  
> Bob
> 
> Bob Boyer
> s/v Rainy Days
> C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
> Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore)
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com
> 
> On Jul 25, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Bernard Bauman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ve heard in the past of this being done, but using chain.  Does anyone know 
> of instances where this actually works and prevents lightening bolt from 
> entering the cabin?
>  
> Bernie
> Ex C 25 (hull # 342)
> Shopping for a new boat
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:39 AM
> To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki
>  
> I run 4 gauge wire from the bottom of my mast to the nearest keel bolt. This 
> is vastly better than nothing.
> If you really want to get into it, you would need to tie in all the rigging 
> and provide exit terminals at the water line. This website will give you some 
> ideas: http://marinelightning.com/Siedarc.htm . If you want to be cheap, do 
> what we did dating back to the 1960s at least - buy jumper cables and pull 
> them apart to make 2 separate cables. Clamp one on each upper shroud and hang 
> the other end in the water.
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
> Worst lightning hit so far blew the VHF antenna off and ruined the battery 
> switch with no other damage
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:00
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Ryan Doyle
> Subject: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki
>  
> Hey guys,
>  
> Wondering if anyone can describe to me how they've ground their mast.  I have 
> a 1976 30mki and we got caught out in a very fast-moving t-storm this weekend 
> and I realized I should have done this when I bought the boat last fall.  My 
> mast step is not original.  It is a big, fat piece of mahogany - which I 
> envision blasting apart if the mast took a direct strike.
>  
> The only idea I've had is using a steel ring clamp to attach a terminal on a 
> very large gauge wire (maybe 2 gauge?) to the bottom of the mast, then run 
> this wire a foot or two aft and down into the bilge to a keel bolt where I 
> would have a second ring clamp hold the wire's terminal to a keel bolt.  I 
> worry about how this would look and I also worry whether it would even be 
> effective.
>  
> Anyone have a better solution?
>  
> Thanks in advance.  Hope you're all having a wonderful sailing summer. 
>  
> Ryan
>  
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Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

This is not exactly the case.

Keep in mind that a lighting generates a current in thousands of A. That high 
current generates magnetic field around it. In turn this magnetic field 
generates current in any conductor in the neighbourhood (this includes, but is 
not limited to, any electronic equipment (one assumes that there are some wires 
in it) and any metal object (e.g. keys in your pocket or the pushpit of the 
boat)). Grounding (or not) would not prevent the electronics from getting 
fried; bonding might (provided that it is correctly done and with sufficient 
wiring).

It seems that this is a good practice to ground the mast to the keel bolt, but 
in no way it provides all the protection you would want to have.

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 11:41
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Robert Boyer 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

Lightning is actually attracted to a grounded object.  My boat has been hit by 
lightning twice--mast was grounded to keel bolt.  Most of my electronics were 
fried each time.  So, if anyone claims that grounding works, I think they have 
been more lucky than wise.

Bob

Bob Boyer 
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

On Jul 25, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Bernard Bauman via CnC-List 
 wrote:


  I’ve heard in the past of this being done, but using chain.  Does anyone know 
of instances where this actually works and prevents lightening bolt from 
entering the cabin? 

   

  Bernie

  Ex C 25 (hull # 342)

  Shopping for a new boat

  Sent from Mail for Windows 10

   

  From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
  Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:39 AM
  To: mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: Della Barba, Joe
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

   

  I run 4 gauge wire from the bottom of my mast to the nearest keel bolt. This 
is vastly better than nothing.

  If you really want to get into it, you would need to tie in all the rigging 
and provide exit terminals at the water line. This website will give you some 
ideas: http://marinelightning.com/Siedarc.htm . If you want to be cheap, do 
what we did dating back to the 1960s at least - buy jumper cables and pull them 
apart to make 2 separate cables. Clamp one on each upper shroud and hang the 
other end in the water.

   

  Joe

  Coquina

  C 35 MK I

  Worst lightning hit so far blew the VHF antenna off and ruined the battery 
switch with no other damage

   

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  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List

  Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:00

  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

  Cc: Ryan Doyle

  Subject: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

   

  Hey guys,

   

  Wondering if anyone can describe to me how they've ground their mast.  I have 
a 1976 30mki and we got caught out in a very fast-moving t-storm this weekend 
and I realized I should have done this when I bought the boat last fall.  My 
mast step is not original.  It is a big, fat piece of mahogany - which I 
envision blasting apart if the mast took a direct strike.

   

  The only idea I've had is using a steel ring clamp to attach a terminal on a 
very large gauge wire (maybe 2 gauge?) to the bottom of the mast, then run this 
wire a foot or two aft and down into the bilge to a keel bolt where I would 
have a second ring clamp hold the wire's terminal to a keel bolt.  I worry 
about how this would look and I also worry whether it would even be effective.

   

  Anyone have a better solution?

   

  Thanks in advance.  Hope you're all having a wonderful sailing summer.  

   

  Ryan

   

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Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

In no way I would want to discourage you from grounding your mast. However, 
please consider the two articles and draw your own conclusions.

http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/lightning.htm

http://lightningsafety.com/nlsi_pls/cone-of-protection-myth.html

Marek

From: Ryan Doyle via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:01
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Ryan Doyle 
Subject: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

Hey guys,

Wondering if anyone can describe to me how they've ground their mast.  I have a 
1976 30mki and we got caught out in a very fast-moving t-storm this weekend and 
I realized I should have done this when I bought the boat last fall.  My mast 
step is not original.  It is a big, fat piece of mahogany - which I envision 
blasting apart if the mast took a direct strike.

The only idea I've had is using a steel ring clamp to attach a terminal on a 
very large gauge wire (maybe 2 gauge?) to the bottom of the mast, then run this 
wire a foot or two aft and down into the bilge to a keel bolt where I would 
have a second ring clamp hold the wire's terminal to a keel bolt.  I worry 
about how this would look and I also worry whether it would even be effective.

Anyone have a better solution?

Thanks in advance.  Hope you're all having a wonderful sailing summer.  

Ryan

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Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

No – they were wise. I have worked on a boat with no ground system that was 
hit. Step one was to get salvage divers to inflate airbags inside the boat and 
get it back up to the surface!
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert Boyer 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 11:40
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Robert Boyer
Subject: Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

Lightning is actually attracted to a grounded object.  My boat has been hit by 
lightning twice--mast was grounded to keel bolt.  Most of my electronics were 
fried each time.  So, if anyone claims that grounding works, I think they have 
been more lucky than wise.

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

On Jul 25, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Bernard Bauman via CnC-List 
> wrote:
I’ve heard in the past of this being done, but using chain.  Does anyone know 
of instances where this actually works and prevents lightening bolt from 
entering the cabin?

Bernie
Ex C 25 (hull # 342)
Shopping for a new boat
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:39 AM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

I run 4 gauge wire from the bottom of my mast to the nearest keel bolt. This is 
vastly better than nothing.
If you really want to get into it, you would need to tie in all the rigging and 
provide exit terminals at the water line. This website will give you some 
ideas: http://marinelightning.com/Siedarc.htm . If you want to be cheap, do 
what we did dating back to the 1960s at least - buy jumper cables and pull them 
apart to make 2 separate cables. Clamp one on each upper shroud and hang the 
other end in the water.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
Worst lightning hit so far blew the VHF antenna off and ruined the battery 
switch with no other damage

-Original Message-
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via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:00
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

Hey guys,

Wondering if anyone can describe to me how they've ground their mast.  I have a 
1976 30mki and we got caught out in a very fast-moving t-storm this weekend and 
I realized I should have done this when I bought the boat last fall.  My mast 
step is not original.  It is a big, fat piece of mahogany - which I envision 
blasting apart if the mast took a direct strike.

The only idea I've had is using a steel ring clamp to attach a terminal on a 
very large gauge wire (maybe 2 gauge?) to the bottom of the mast, then run this 
wire a foot or two aft and down into the bilge to a keel bolt where I would 
have a second ring clamp hold the wire's terminal to a keel bolt.  I worry 
about how this would look and I also worry whether it would even be effective.

Anyone have a better solution?

Thanks in advance.  Hope you're all having a wonderful sailing summer.

Ryan

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Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Lightning is actually attracted to a grounded object.  My boat has been hit by 
lightning twice--mast was grounded to keel bolt.  Most of my electronics were 
fried each time.  So, if anyone claims that grounding works, I think they have 
been more lucky than wise.

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
Annapolis, MD (presently in Baltimore)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Jul 25, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Bernard Bauman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ve heard in the past of this being done, but using chain.  Does anyone know 
> of instances where this actually works and prevents lightening bolt from 
> entering the cabin?
>  
> Bernie
> Ex C 25 (hull # 342)
> Shopping for a new boat
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:39 AM
> To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki
>  
> I run 4 gauge wire from the bottom of my mast to the nearest keel bolt. This 
> is vastly better than nothing.
> If you really want to get into it, you would need to tie in all the rigging 
> and provide exit terminals at the water line. This website will give you some 
> ideas: http://marinelightning.com/Siedarc.htm . If you want to be cheap, do 
> what we did dating back to the 1960s at least - buy jumper cables and pull 
> them apart to make 2 separate cables. Clamp one on each upper shroud and hang 
> the other end in the water.
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
> Worst lightning hit so far blew the VHF antenna off and ruined the battery 
> switch with no other damage
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:00
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Ryan Doyle
> Subject: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki
>  
> Hey guys,
>  
> Wondering if anyone can describe to me how they've ground their mast.  I have 
> a 1976 30mki and we got caught out in a very fast-moving t-storm this weekend 
> and I realized I should have done this when I bought the boat last fall.  My 
> mast step is not original.  It is a big, fat piece of mahogany - which I 
> envision blasting apart if the mast took a direct strike.
>  
> The only idea I've had is using a steel ring clamp to attach a terminal on a 
> very large gauge wire (maybe 2 gauge?) to the bottom of the mast, then run 
> this wire a foot or two aft and down into the bilge to a keel bolt where I 
> would have a second ring clamp hold the wire's terminal to a keel bolt.  I 
> worry about how this would look and I also worry whether it would even be 
> effective.
>  
> Anyone have a better solution?
>  
> Thanks in advance.  Hope you're all having a wonderful sailing summer. 
>  
> Ryan
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
>  
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Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

[Bernard Bauman via CnC-List]

I’ve heard in the past of this being done, but using chain.  Does anyone know 
of instances where this actually works and prevents lightening bolt from 
entering the cabin? 

Bernie
Ex C 25 (hull # 342)
Shopping for a new boat
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Re: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I run 4 gauge wire from the bottom of my mast to the nearest keel bolt. This is 
vastly better than nothing.
If you really want to get into it, you would need to tie in all the rigging and 
provide exit terminals at the water line. This website will give you some 
ideas: http://marinelightning.com/Siedarc.htm . If you want to be cheap, do 
what we did dating back to the 1960s at least - buy jumper cables and pull them 
apart to make 2 separate cables. Clamp one on each upper shroud and hang the 
other end in the water.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
Worst lightning hit so far blew the VHF antenna off and ruined the battery 
switch with no other damage

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 10:00
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

Hey guys,

Wondering if anyone can describe to me how they've ground their mast.  I have a 
1976 30mki and we got caught out in a very fast-moving t-storm this weekend and 
I realized I should have done this when I bought the boat last fall.  My mast 
step is not original.  It is a big, fat piece of mahogany - which I envision 
blasting apart if the mast took a direct strike.

The only idea I've had is using a steel ring clamp to attach a terminal on a 
very large gauge wire (maybe 2 gauge?) to the bottom of the mast, then run this 
wire a foot or two aft and down into the bilge to a keel bolt where I would 
have a second ring clamp hold the wire's terminal to a keel bolt.  I worry 
about how this would look and I also worry whether it would even be effective.

Anyone have a better solution?

Thanks in advance.  Hope you're all having a wonderful sailing summer.  

Ryan

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Re: Stus-List Shouldn't there be some kind of Wally Award?

[Dave Syer via CnC-List]

Kind words but thanks recognition or encouragement is wholly unnecessary.
Much of the decision making and thought prior to the work involves freely
provided assistance from folks on this list, so to me, documenting this for
the next person is only reasonable, and is a fair payback for the help
received.
I do however encourage laughing at my mistakes!

Dave




Message: 7
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:37:24 + (UTC)
From: Franklin Schenk 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Shouldn't there be some kind of Wally Award?
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I agree.? We can learn a lot from this because sites like this cover many
problems.? It also makes us closer to the person doing the job.? We also
can laugh at their mistakes and remember when we did the same thing.
FrankC 29

On Monday, July 25, 2016 12:44 AM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


 Hi All,
I went to Dave?s Windstar site, and I think we need some kind of Wally
Award for folks, not only fixing up these good old boats, but documenting
and sharing their process. I know, I know, he?s not starting with a hole in
the water, but let?s at least give him a little encouragement, and lots of
thanks.This is, after all what,makes this list so great, and helps us all
keep sailing. . .
2 cents, Lees/v SimplicityA 1974 C 35-II project.As Gary says, West of
Ballard.?
On Jul 24, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Dave Syer via CnC-List 
wrote:

http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/p/blog-page.html
Plenty of upgrades, dedicated start battery, new panel, ACR, battery
monitor, revised grounding etc.
Just the engine key relocation to consider and the LED lighting upgrades to
finish plus installation of Calframo fans and .. well the fridge and maybe
an automatic bilge pump.?? So, nearly done!
Other work also documented and posted.
Dave? 33-2 Windstar.
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Re: Stus-List 33-2 Electrical upgrades, blog updated and organized with details and photos.

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Amazing work. Great job Dave. And thanks for blogging it in such detail. 

This offseason I'll probably tackle rebuilding the mast step on my 1972 30-1 
(hull #7) a la http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/maststep/maststep.htm 
. Some PO kludged a "fix" with a big wood wedge down in that sump, and I'm 
worried it's transferring load directly onto the keel and contributing to 
opening the "C smile". I hope I don't have to get into a more extensive 
repair job. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 

- Original Message -

From: "Dave Syer via CnC-List"  
To: "C Stus List"  
Cc: "Dave Syer"  
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 8:43:02 PM 
Subject: Stus-List 33-2 Electrical upgrades, blog updated and organized with 
details and photos. 

http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/p/blog-page.html 

Plenty of upgrades, dedicated start battery, new panel, ACR, battery monitor, 
revised grounding etc. 

Just the engine key relocation to consider and the LED lighting upgrades to 
finish plus installation of Calframo fans and .. well the fridge and maybe an 
automatic bilge pump. So, nearly done! 

Other work also documented and posted. 

Dave 33-2 Windstar. 





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Stus-List Grounding a mast - 30mki

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Hey guys,

Wondering if anyone can describe to me how they've ground their mast.  I have a 
1976 30mki and we got caught out in a very fast-moving t-storm this weekend and 
I realized I should have done this when I bought the boat last fall.  My mast 
step is not original.  It is a big, fat piece of mahogany - which I envision 
blasting apart if the mast took a direct strike.

The only idea I've had is using a steel ring clamp to attach a terminal on a 
very large gauge wire (maybe 2 gauge?) to the bottom of the mast, then run this 
wire a foot or two aft and down into the bilge to a keel bolt where I would 
have a second ring clamp hold the wire's terminal to a keel bolt.  I worry 
about how this would look and I also worry whether it would even be effective.

Anyone have a better solution?

Thanks in advance.  Hope you're all having a wonderful sailing summer.  

Ryan

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Re: Stus-List 33-2 Electrical upgrades, blog updated and organized with details and photos.

[John McKay via CnC-List]

Good luck with the upgrades Dave. I bought a 33 MK II in November 2015 and the 
list of upgrades does not seem to diminish!
John from Enterprise! 

On Sunday, July 24, 2016 10:43 PM, Dave Syer via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/p/blog-page.html
Plenty of upgrades, dedicated start battery, new panel, ACR, battery monitor, 
revised grounding etc.
Just the engine key relocation to consider and the LED lighting upgrades to 
finish plus installation of Calframo fans and .. well the fridge and maybe an 
automatic bilge pump.   So, nearly done!
Other work also documented and posted.
Dave  33-2 Windstar.

   


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Re: Stus-List Shouldn't there be some kind of Wally Award?

[Franklin Schenk via CnC-List]

I agree.  We can learn a lot from this because sites like this cover many 
problems.  It also makes us closer to the person doing the job.  We also can 
laugh at their mistakes and remember when we did the same thing.
FrankC 29 

On Monday, July 25, 2016 12:44 AM, Lee Youngblood via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Hi All,
I went to Dave’s Windstar site, and I think we need some kind of Wally Award 
for folks, not only fixing up these good old boats, but documenting and sharing 
their process. I know, I know, he’s not starting with a hole in the water, but 
let’s at least give him a little encouragement, and lots of thanks.This is, 
after all what,makes this list so great, and helps us all keep sailing. . .
2 cents, Lees/v SimplicityA 1974 C 35-II project.As Gary says, West of 
Ballard. 
On Jul 24, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Dave Syer via CnC-List  
wrote:

http://cncwindstar.blogspot.ca/p/blog-page.html
Plenty of upgrades, dedicated start battery, new panel, ACR, battery monitor, 
revised grounding etc.
Just the engine key relocation to consider and the LED lighting upgrades to 
finish plus installation of Calframo fans and .. well the fridge and maybe an 
automatic bilge pump.   So, nearly done!
Other work also documented and posted.
Dave  33-2 Windstar.

   

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