Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Be careful with chute flying.  You may want to wait until they’re a little 
older.

We’re on fresh water, so no crabbing.  When we go to the Outer Banks, however, 
crabbing off a dock with one of those hooks on a string (with a chicken neck) 
will keep the kids laughing for hours.  We don’t keep any, but the kids have a 
blast.

They also love swimming off the boat when the water warms up, including 
swinging from halyards (bow to stern) and letting go just before breaking 
teeth.  My wife (the dentist) especially likes that part.

From: Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 10:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Jeremy Ralph 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment

Good question and responses on this topic.  Our kids, 4 and 7, are reluctant to 
go on our 34' but always have great time at the cruising destinations. 

Some things they like when underway:
- fishing
- lego and toys

- games and shows on iphones (sadly)
- binoculars
- keeping watch
- going on deck (in mild conditions)
- spotting whales and dolphins

One issue is our 7 year old get's sea sick so we try and avoid letting her look 
at phones or spend time in the cabin when things get rough. Our son sleeps on 
the sole of the cabin. 

Some things they like when at anchor or moorage:
- catching fish, crabs, minnows, jellyfish, etc.
- swing on halyards from climbing harnesses 
- kids kayak

- getting pulled behind dinghy on kids' kayak
- swimming and jumping off the deck into the water
- driving dingy (with dad's help)

I've seen pictures of kids flying on spinnaker at anchor but I've yet to figure 
that out. 

Cheers,
  Jeremy





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Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

Good question and responses on this topic.  Our kids, 4 and 7, are
reluctant to go on our 34' but always have great time at the cruising
destinations.

Some things they like when underway:
- fishing
- lego and toys
- games and shows on iphones (sadly)
- binoculars
- keeping watch
- going on deck (in mild conditions)
- spotting whales and dolphins

One issue is our 7 year old get's sea sick so we try and avoid letting her
look at phones or spend time in the cabin when things get rough. Our son
sleeps on the sole of the cabin.

Some things they like when at anchor or moorage:
- catching fish, crabs, minnows, jellyfish, etc.
- swing on halyards from climbing harnesses
- kids kayak
- getting pulled behind dinghy on kids' kayak
- swimming and jumping off the deck into the water
- driving dingy (with dad's help)

I've seen pictures of kids flying on spinnaker at anchor but I've yet to
figure that out.

Cheers,
  Jeremy
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Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment

[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

Thanks everyone!
Totally forgot about Uno, Yahtzee and the other classics. Been trying to
teach them some basic card games like war but that doesn't last too long.
Think we will be looking at getting a simple laptop and trying to rig up a
mount for it for movies. I definitely don't want them on electronics while
out, but a movie would be beneficial when things get a little haywire for
the wife and me. Family time was one of the main reasons for getting the
boat in the first place.
We've tried fishing, but I'm not in any way skilled with that. I think we
need to change some of our lures out to get any kind of success there.

I am trying to teach the oldest things and get her involved. I do need to
start bringing my 5 yr old son into it as well. He's starting to ask to go
sailing now too so that's a good sign.

My wife is not a sailor and I'm still trying to convince her of the
benefits and quality time and experiences that can be had. So far it's been
mainly me sailing and her taking care of the kids. So there hasn't been
much in the way of GOOD experiences so far. We are going to try our first
overnight this year just us first. Then bring the kids on another trip.
Fingers crossed it goes smoothly.

Thanks again for all the suggestions.

Kevin

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017, 9:04 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I should have noted: I held off on the monitor installation when my kids
> were little for the reasons being expressed.  My kids are all in their
> teens
> now.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 8:58 PM
> To: Kevin Paxton
> Cc: Dave ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment
>
> My kids are older  podcasts (like 'the moth') or radio dramas, new and
> old.  The kids rarely experience storytelling in this way, and it is a
> looked-forward-to experience before bed time on the boat.  Kerosene lamp
> only of course!
> (I save the podcasts to my iPad which connects via Bluetooth to the
> stereo...)
> I'm sure there are similar options for younger kids.
>
> Dave.
>
> Agreed on lego as well, and of course reading for older ones.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 12, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Kevin Paxton 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey everyone,
> > We are looking for ideas for kids entertainment on our 34'. We have 3
> > young kids (19mo, 2, and 5) and 1 preteen (12).  What have you all done
> to
> > get them involved and also entertained during sails?
> >
> > We are also looking for ideas and set ups on showing movies when things
> > get a little crazy and we need a break. What kind of setups do you all
> > have?  TV size, portable, fixed, DVD/Blu-ray, power, mounting etc?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kevin
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Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I should have noted: I held off on the monitor installation when my kids 
were little for the reasons being expressed.  My kids are all in their teens 
now.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave via CnC-List

Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 8:58 PM
To: Kevin Paxton
Cc: Dave ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment

My kids are older  podcasts (like 'the moth') or radio dramas, new and 
old.  The kids rarely experience storytelling in this way, and it is a 
looked-forward-to experience before bed time on the boat.  Kerosene lamp 
only of course!
(I save the podcasts to my iPad which connects via Bluetooth to the 
stereo...)

I'm sure there are similar options for younger kids.

Dave.

Agreed on lego as well, and of course reading for older ones.






Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 12, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Kevin Paxton  wrote:

Hey everyone,
We are looking for ideas for kids entertainment on our 34'. We have 3 
young kids (19mo, 2, and 5) and 1 preteen (12).  What have you all done to 
get them involved and also entertained during sails?


We are also looking for ideas and set ups on showing movies when things 
get a little crazy and we need a break. What kind of setups do you all 
have?  TV size, portable, fixed, DVD/Blu-ray, power, mounting etc?


Thanks,
Kevin


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Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment

[Dave via CnC-List]

My kids are older  podcasts (like 'the moth') or radio dramas, new and old. 
 The kids rarely experience storytelling in this way, and it is a 
looked-forward-to experience before bed time on the boat.  Kerosene lamp only 
of course!  
(I save the podcasts to my iPad which connects via Bluetooth to the stereo...)
I'm sure there are similar options for younger kids.  

Dave.  

Agreed on lego as well, and of course reading for older ones. 






Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Kevin Paxton  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> We are looking for ideas for kids entertainment on our 34'. We have 3 young 
> kids (19mo, 2, and 5) and 1 preteen (12).  What have you all done to get them 
> involved and also entertained during sails?
> 
> We are also looking for ideas and set ups on showing movies when things get a 
> little crazy and we need a break. What kind of setups do you all have?  TV 
> size, portable, fixed, DVD/Blu-ray, power, mounting etc?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin 

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Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

+1 on Uno, and don’t forget Yahtzee.  Sometimes the greatest toys are things 
they find to play with on the beach…

My kids are grown now, but Yahtzee is still a favorite; along with Cards 
Against Humanity…   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> We always had card games like Uno onboard, drawing materials, and a laptop to 
> play movies on for down below plus water toys. My son has spent a lot of time 
> with his buddies getting towed around in a tube behind the dinghy. Cheap 
> binoculars are fun too as are Mad Libs.
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> j...@dellabarba.com 
>  
> Coquina
> C 35
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Kevin Paxton via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 8:04 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Kevin Paxton >
> Subject: Stus-List Kids entertainment
>  
> Hey everyone,
> We are looking for ideas for kids entertainment on our 34'. We have 3 young 
> kids (19mo, 2, and 5) and 1 preteen (12).  What have you all done to get them 
> involved and also entertained during sails?
>  
> We are also looking for ideas and set ups on showing movies when things get a 
> little crazy and we need a break. What kind of setups do you all have?  TV 
> size, portable, fixed, DVD/Blu-ray, power, mounting etc?
>  
> Thanks,
> Kevin

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Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Kevin,
The 19 month and 2 year old will require full time adult attention.  If we had 
our toddlers on board it was too easy for them to tumble down companionway 
stairs or lose balance down below to not be affixed to an adult.  Assign the 12 
year old to the 2 year old and it will keep them both occupied.  Another adult 
looks after the 18 month old.  Now you only need an electronic babysitter for 
the 5 year old.  An electronic tablet with Finding Nemo downloaded will work 
for several hours, or help to induce nap time.  It can be a backup chart 
plotter the rest of the time.
We played lots of "I Spy" onboard with kids which can also teach them the parts 
of the boat.   And of course pirate accessories are essential.  Make sure that 
favorite stuffed animals never come up on deck unless they float or wear a life 
jacket too.  You don't want to be responsible for Mr Snuggles being lost at 
sea...
With the proper planning, you'll either be fostering a lifelong sailor or a 
confirmed landlubber.  I wound up with one of each, now 15 and 13 years old.
Best of luck!
Chuck Gilchrest 
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram MA

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> On Apr 12, 2017, at 8:14 PM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I try not to yell at them all the time.  Sometimes I’m successful.
>  
> This year I plan to mount a 22” monitor on a bulkhead with an adjustable 
> bracket (to allow it to swing away from the wall and face where people are 
> sitting).  It will be capable of hooking up a game console and DVD/Blu-ray.  
> However, it is being set up for AC power only (for use at the dock).  When 
> we’re out sailing or racing, I prefer the kids to be engaged in what we’re 
> doing.  This is only a preference, of course, and it has been quite common 
> for my kids and their friends to go down below and play with their cell 
> phones or iPads (and drop goldfish and pretzels all over the floor and spill 
> their lemonades).
>  
> From: Kevin Paxton via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 8:03 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Kevin Paxton
> Subject: Stus-List Kids entertainment
>  
> Hey everyone,
> We are looking for ideas for kids entertainment on our 34'. We have 3 young 
> kids (19mo, 2, and 5) and 1 preteen (12).  What have you all done to get them 
> involved and also entertained during sails?
>  
> We are also looking for ideas and set ups on showing movies when things get a 
> little crazy and we need a break. What kind of setups do you all have?  TV 
> size, portable, fixed, DVD/Blu-ray, power, mounting etc?
>  
> Thanks,
> Kevin
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Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment

[David Kaseler via CnC-List]

Kevin,
Not sure if I'm off the mark here but when our kids were young the best 
entertainment on rainy days or long passages was a big box of LEGOS.  When 
sailing we built boats to tow behind and when at anchor we sailed and rowed in 
our dinghy, played on the beach, hiked and explored ashore and if no brake in 
the rain all hands pitched in to prepare a special meal. At that time we had no 
electronic gadgets, so I have no advise about that. 
I can tell you that my grandchildren, now 9 and 3 are pretty much following the 
same program when they cruise with their parents but I'm sure there is a smart 
phone involved. I heard about a tow behind boat made from wood scraps found on 
the beach, complete with foils. Worked only at reduced speed.

Dave.
1975 C 33 SLY

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> On Apr 12, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> We are looking for ideas for kids entertainment on our 34'. We have 3 young 
> kids (19mo, 2, and 5) and 1 preteen (12).  What have you all done to get them 
> involved and also entertained during sails?
> 
> We are also looking for ideas and set ups on showing movies when things get a 
> little crazy and we need a break. What kind of setups do you all have?  TV 
> size, portable, fixed, DVD/Blu-ray, power, mounting etc?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin 
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Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

They could sail...

What about fishing poles...

Or books?  Sudoku?  Crossword puzzles?  Drawing?  Writing?  Cards?
Miniature board games (some have magnetic pieces)?  Learn to play an
instrument (recorder, strum stick, harmonica)?  School work? ASA courses?
USCG captains courses?

You can engage them with responsibilities regarding cleanliness,
provisioning, cooking, boat maintenance, navigation, piloting,
communications. These are life skills that will lighten your load, elevate
boredom, develope self reliance, and boost self esteem.

I've read numerous articles about how disengaging electronic devices are
for everyone, adults and children, but children's brains aren't developed
enough to make conscious decisions about the addictive effects of
electronics.  Not to mention the creativity stifling effects.  Many boaters
report having had electronic devices fall over board only to find that it
was the best thing that could have happened.  Within minutes the preceeding
hours of silence is broken by cheerful laughter, discussions, and
exclamations of awe and wonderment.

My wife and I have intentionally not installed a TV or other video
entertainment device on our boat.  We have an FM radio and CD player but
even it stays off most of the time.  We spent and continue to spend a
considerable amount of money to go sailing.  I sleep better and longer when
cruising.  I eat better quality but less quantity of food.  I generally
feel better and closer to my family.

https://www.google.com/search?q=being+bored+is+good+for+kids=being+bored+is+good+for+kids=chrome..69i57.11606j0j4=chrome-mobile=UTF-8

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Apr 12, 2017 8:04 PM, "Kevin Paxton via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hey everyone,
> We are looking for ideas for kids entertainment on our 34'. We have 3
> young kids (19mo, 2, and 5) and 1 preteen (12).  What have you all done to
> get them involved and also entertained during sails?
>
> We are also looking for ideas and set ups on showing movies when things
> get a little crazy and we need a break. What kind of setups do you all
> have?  TV size, portable, fixed, DVD/Blu-ray, power, mounting etc?
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>
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Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Good plan.  We took a similar approach with our kids when they were young (and 
they all lived to adulthood). 

Neil Andersen, M.Sc.
Auburn, NY 13021

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Matthew L. Wolford 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 8:14:01 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment

I try not to yell at them all the time.  Sometimes I’m successful.

This year I plan to mount a 22” monitor on a bulkhead with an adjustable 
bracket (to allow it to swing away from the wall and face where people are 
sitting).  It will be capable of hooking up a game console and DVD/Blu-ray.  
However, it is being set up for AC power only (for use at the dock).  When 
we’re out sailing or racing, I prefer the kids to be engaged in what we’re 
doing.  This is only a preference, of course, and it has been quite common for 
my kids and their friends to go down below and play with their cell phones or 
iPads (and drop goldfish and pretzels all over the floor and spill their 
lemonades).

From: Kevin Paxton via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 8:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Kevin Paxton
Subject: Stus-List Kids entertainment

Hey everyone,
We are looking for ideas for kids entertainment on our 34'. We have 3 young 
kids (19mo, 2, and 5) and 1 preteen (12).  What have you all done to get them 
involved and also entertained during sails?

We are also looking for ideas and set ups on showing movies when things get a 
little crazy and we need a break. What kind of setups do you all have?  TV 
size, portable, fixed, DVD/Blu-ray, power, mounting etc?

Thanks,
Kevin


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Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I try not to yell at them all the time.  Sometimes I’m successful.

This year I plan to mount a 22” monitor on a bulkhead with an adjustable 
bracket (to allow it to swing away from the wall and face where people are 
sitting).  It will be capable of hooking up a game console and DVD/Blu-ray.  
However, it is being set up for AC power only (for use at the dock).  When 
we’re out sailing or racing, I prefer the kids to be engaged in what we’re 
doing.  This is only a preference, of course, and it has been quite common for 
my kids and their friends to go down below and play with their cell phones or 
iPads (and drop goldfish and pretzels all over the floor and spill their 
lemonades).

From: Kevin Paxton via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 8:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Kevin Paxton 
Subject: Stus-List Kids entertainment

Hey everyone, 
We are looking for ideas for kids entertainment on our 34'. We have 3 young 
kids (19mo, 2, and 5) and 1 preteen (12).  What have you all done to get them 
involved and also entertained during sails?

We are also looking for ideas and set ups on showing movies when things get a 
little crazy and we need a break. What kind of setups do you all have?  TV 
size, portable, fixed, DVD/Blu-ray, power, mounting etc?

Thanks,
Kevin 



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Re: Stus-List Kids entertainment

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

We always had card games like Uno onboard, drawing materials, and a laptop to 
play movies on for down below plus water toys. My son has spent a lot of time 
with his buddies getting towed around in a tube behind the dinghy. Cheap 
binoculars are fun too as are Mad Libs.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

C 35

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Paxton 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 8:04 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Kevin Paxton 
Subject: Stus-List Kids entertainment

 

Hey everyone,

We are looking for ideas for kids entertainment on our 34'. We have 3 young 
kids (19mo, 2, and 5) and 1 preteen (12).  What have you all done to get them 
involved and also entertained during sails?

 

We are also looking for ideas and set ups on showing movies when things get a 
little crazy and we need a break. What kind of setups do you all have?  TV 
size, portable, fixed, DVD/Blu-ray, power, mounting etc?

 

Thanks,

Kevin 

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Stus-List Kids entertainment

[Kevin Paxton via CnC-List]

Hey everyone,
We are looking for ideas for kids entertainment on our 34'. We have 3 young
kids (19mo, 2, and 5) and 1 preteen (12).  What have you all done to get
them involved and also entertained during sails?

We are also looking for ideas and set ups on showing movies when things get
a little crazy and we need a break. What kind of setups do you all have?
TV size, portable, fixed, DVD/Blu-ray, power, mounting etc?

Thanks,
Kevin
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Re: Stus-List Adhesive Sealant for Bilge Pump

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Life Seal is my go to sealant.  Been using it for years.  Great stuff.
It's a sealant, not an adhesive.

Dennis C.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 5:42 PM, RANDY via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Thanks Bruce.  I've got some 5200 but don't want to use it for exactly
> that reason (and that the pump strainer would have to be destructively
> removed if ever,  or possibly the 5200 would weaken the strainer's plastic).
>
> I hadn't heard of hybrid sealant until I came across this Don Casey
> article today: http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/sealant.asp.  This
> BoatLife Life Seal stuff is a mixture of polyurethane (5200) and silicone,
> so apparently has adhesive properties and won't eat plastic and can be
> non-destructively removed.
>
> Has anybody used that stuff before?
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
> --
> *From: *"Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" 
> *To: *"cnc-list" 
> *Cc: *"Bruce Whitmore" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:15:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Adhesive Sealant for Bilge Pump
>
> I tried 5200 on my 1977 C 27 MKIII a few years ago and it peeled odd the
> fiberglass in the bilge.  My new to me boat used a piece of 1" wide thin
> stainless which was bent 90 degrees at the bottom.  The pump was screwed to
> that and a small hole or two were drilled high up where it could be screwed
> with short screws to the side of the bilge, or alternatively to something
> else.  Essentially, a bracket.  Seems to work well, and allows for pulling
> the pump easily.
>
> Kindest Regards,
>
> Bruce
> 847.404.5092 <(847)%20404-5092>
>
> Please forgive any typos as this was sent from my iPhone.
>
> On Apr 12, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Randy,
>
> Can you glue a small piece of teak to the bilge floor with 5200 and screw
> the strainer to that?
>
> Dennis C.
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:19 PM, RANDY via CnC-List  > wrote:
>
>> Listers-
>>
>> Rule bilge pumps snap into plastic strainers, which Rule's installation
>> instructions say to be screw in to the bilge to keep the pump in place.  I
>> don't think I want to go drilling screw holes into the bottom of my bilge -
>> how have you all dealt with this issue?  I'm thinking of using an adhesive
>> sealant (e.g. BoatLife's Life Seal) to adhere the strainer to the bottom of
>> the bilge.  Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Randy
>>
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Re: Stus-List Adhesive Sealant for Bilge Pump

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Thanks Bruce. I've got some 5200 but don't want to use it for exactly that 
reason (and that the pump strainer would have to be destructively removed if 
ever, or possibly the 5200 would weaken the strainer's plastic). 

I hadn't heard of hybrid sealant until I came across this Don Casey article 
today: http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/sealant.asp . This BoatLife Life 
Seal stuff is a mixture of polyurethane (5200) and silicone, so apparently has 
adhesive properties and won't eat plastic and can be non-destructively removed. 

Has anybody used that stuff before? 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Bruce Whitmore"  
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 3:15:31 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adhesive Sealant for Bilge Pump 

I tried 5200 on my 1977 C 27 MKIII a few years ago and it peeled odd the 
fiberglass in the bilge. My new to me boat used a piece of 1" wide thin 
stainless which was bent 90 degrees at the bottom. The pump was screwed to that 
and a small hole or two were drilled high up where it could be screwed with 
short screws to the side of the bilge, or alternatively to something else. 
Essentially, a bracket. Seems to work well, and allows for pulling the pump 
easily. 

Kindest Regards, 

Bruce 
847.404.5092 

Please forgive any typos as this was sent from my iPhone. 

On Apr 12, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 




Randy, 

Can you glue a small piece of teak to the bilge floor with 5200 and screw the 
strainer to that? 

Dennis C. 

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:19 PM, RANDY via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 



Listers- 

Rule bilge pumps snap into plastic strainers, which Rule's installation 
instructions say to be screw in to the bilge to keep the pump in place. I don't 
think I want to go drilling screw holes into the bottom of my bilge - how have 
you all dealt with this issue? I'm thinking of using an adhesive sealant (e.g. 
BoatLife's Life Seal) to adhere the strainer to the bottom of the bilge. 
Thoughts? 

Thanks, 
Randy 

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Re: Stus-List Adhesive Sealant for Bilge Pump

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Well, I thought about that, but didn't like it for two reasons. First, the wood 
would eventually rot. Second, it raises the pump by some amount. I hadn't 
considered velcro - that could be a winner if its adhesive would stick when 
wet. 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
To: "CnClist"  
Cc: "Dennis"  
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 1:06:17 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Adhesive Sealant for Bilge Pump 

Randy, 

Can you glue a small piece of teak to the bilge floor with 5200 and screw the 
strainer to that? 

Dennis C. 

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:19 PM, RANDY via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com > 
wrote: 



Listers- 

Rule bilge pumps snap into plastic strainers, which Rule's installation 
instructions say to be screw in to the bilge to keep the pump in place. I don't 
think I want to go drilling screw holes into the bottom of my bilge - how have 
you all dealt with this issue? I'm thinking of using an adhesive sealant (e.g. 
BoatLife's Life Seal) to adhere the strainer to the bottom of the bilge. 
Thoughts? 

Thanks, 
Randy 

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Re: Stus-List Adhesive Sealant for Bilge Pump

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

I tried 5200 on my 1977 C 27 MKIII a few years ago and it peeled odd the 
fiberglass in the bilge.  My new to me boat used a piece of 1" wide thin 
stainless which was bent 90 degrees at the bottom.  The pump was screwed to 
that and a small hole or two were drilled high up where it could be screwed 
with short screws to the side of the bilge, or alternatively to something else. 
 Essentially, a bracket.  Seems to work well, and allows for pulling the pump 
easily.

Kindest Regards,

Bruce
847.404.5092

Please forgive any typos as this was sent from my iPhone.

> On Apr 12, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Randy,
> 
> Can you glue a small piece of teak to the bilge floor with 5200 and screw the 
> strainer to that?
> 
> Dennis C.
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:19 PM, RANDY via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> Listers-
>> 
>> Rule bilge pumps snap into plastic strainers, which Rule's installation 
>> instructions say to be screw in to the bilge to keep the pump in place.  I 
>> don't think I want to go drilling screw holes into the bottom of my bilge - 
>> how have you all dealt with this issue?  I'm thinking of using an adhesive 
>> sealant (e.g. BoatLife's Life Seal) to adhere the strainer to the bottom of 
>> the bilge.  Thoughts?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Randy
>> 
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Re: Stus-List C 35 mki Rudder Bushings/Bearings

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Brandon,

For the upper bearing, I ordered some 4 inch 1/2 inch thick white Delrin
discs from mcmaster.com (Part 8582K21 at about $10 each).  Took them and
the old bearing to a plactics machine shop and had them make me some.  They
last 4-5 years before they get sloppy.  I have one left.

The hole is 1.500 ID.

1 inch discs are 8582K22 at $16.

Probably a better solution out there but this is quick and reasonable.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Brandon Gaspard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hey listers,
>
> Just wondering if anyone has a source and some tips for replacing the
> rudder bushings and/or bearings on a C 35 Mk1.  I have replaced the
> bushings on my old Pearson 26, but I haven't delved into the structure or
> parts involved for the 35 yet.  Have any of you 35 owners attempted this?
> Did you order the parts from Jefa?
>
> Tango's rudder shaft is developing a little slop, I just noticed it when I
> was assessing where to install my rudder reference transducer.  Looking
> down from the emergency rudder post, it appears to have 1/8-1/4" wiggle.
> I'll probably sail it for the next several months and keep an eye on it,
> and if it doesn't get worse next she's on the hard I'll replace it.  If it
> progresses more quickly I'll replace sooner.  Thanks for any info or tips!
>
> Brandon Gaspard
> tango
> 1971 C 35 Mk1
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Re: Stus-List Adhesive Sealant for Bilge Pump

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Randy,

Can you glue a small piece of teak to the bilge floor with 5200 and screw
the strainer to that?

Dennis C.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:19 PM, RANDY via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Listers-
>
> Rule bilge pumps snap into plastic strainers, which Rule's installation
> instructions say to be screw in to the bilge to keep the pump in place.  I
> don't think I want to go drilling screw holes into the bottom of my bilge -
> how have you all dealt with this issue?  I'm thinking of using an adhesive
> sealant (e.g. BoatLife's Life Seal) to adhere the strainer to the bottom of
> the bilge.  Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Randy
>
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Re: Stus-List Adhesive Sealant for Bilge Pump

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

You can usually affix (with screws) the pump to some sort of frame or
carrier (metal, wood, or fiberglass).  The carrier gets lowered vertically
into the bilge and affixed to some other vertical stringer or bulkhead.
You can even make metal ones simply "hook" over a stringer and then pin it
beneath a floor board.  The carrier can be fashioned such that it holds
floats, alarms, waterwitches and terminal boards.  When you need to service
the pump the terminal board makes disconnecting a breeze and removing the
pump is a simple and clean removal of the carrier.  Everything is done
above the mung in the bilge.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Apr 12, 2017 2:20 PM, "RANDY via CnC-List"  wrote:

> Listers-
>
> Rule bilge pumps snap into plastic strainers, which Rule's installation
> instructions say to be screw in to the bilge to keep the pump in place.  I
> don't think I want to go drilling screw holes into the bottom of my bilge -
> how have you all dealt with this issue?  I'm thinking of using an adhesive
> sealant (e.g. BoatLife's Life Seal) to adhere the strainer to the bottom of
> the bilge.  Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Randy
>
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Stus-List Adhesive Sealant for Bilge Pump

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Listers- 

Rule bilge pumps snap into plastic strainers, which Rule's installation 
instructions say to be screw in to the bilge to keep the pump in place. I don't 
think I want to go drilling screw holes into the bottom of my bilge - how have 
you all dealt with this issue? I'm thinking of using an adhesive sealant (e.g. 
BoatLife's Life Seal) to adhere the strainer to the bottom of the bilge. 
Thoughts? 

Thanks, 
Randy 
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Re: Stus-List Mast Re-Wire -- Need Advice

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

+1 on MarineBeam products.  I did my mast last year, and have been very happy 
with the results.  Don’t go with less-expensive or unproven products for this; 
it’s something you won’t want to have to redo a few years down the road.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Apr 12, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Consider Marine Beam products or similar quality, especially for the mast. 
> Lower quality / cheaper LED set ups could provide a ton of interference with 
> your VHF signal / antenna, assuming you have one a the to top of you mast. In 
> general newer LED's seem to be reducing this concern however. 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 6:58 AM kelly petew via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
> Ron, Hi,
> 
> thanks very much for your feedback.  
> 
> I am going to install LEDs, but I am not familiar with Alpha; I'll need to do 
> some research.  thanks.
> 
> I have removed the vhf cable only, at this point.
> 
> If I can't remove the "nest", I may simply "freshen" the terminals and stay 
> with the existing wires. 
> 
> 
> 
> thanks again!
> 
> 
> 
> Pete 
> 

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Stus-List C 35 mki Rudder Bushings/Bearings

[Brandon Gaspard via CnC-List]

Hey listers, 

Just wondering if anyone has a source and some tips for replacing the rudder 
bushings and/or bearings on a C 35 Mk1.  I have replaced the bushings on my 
old Pearson 26, but I haven't delved into the structure or parts involved for 
the 35 yet.  Have any of you 35 owners attempted this?  Did you order the parts 
from Jefa?

Tango's rudder shaft is developing a little slop, I just noticed it when I was 
assessing where to install my rudder reference transducer.  Looking down from 
the emergency rudder post, it appears to have 1/8-1/4" wiggle.  I'll probably 
sail it for the next several months and keep an eye on it, and if it doesn't 
get worse next she's on the hard I'll replace it.  If it progresses more 
quickly I'll replace sooner.  Thanks for any info or tips!
Brandon Gaspardtango
1971 C 35 Mk1
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Re: Stus-List Mast Re-Wire -- Need Advice

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Consider Marine Beam products or similar quality, especially for the mast.
Lower quality / cheaper LED set ups could provide a ton of interference
with your VHF signal / antenna, assuming you have one a the to top of you
mast. In general newer LED's seem to be reducing this concern however.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 6:58 AM kelly petew via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Ron, Hi,

thanks very much for your feedback.

I am going to install LEDs, but I am not familiar with Alpha; I'll need to
do some research.  thanks.

I have removed the vhf cable only, at this point.

If I can't remove the "nest", I may simply "freshen" the terminals and stay
with the existing wires.


thanks again!


Pete


--
*From:* Ron Ricci 
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:29 AM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* 'kelly petew'
*Subject:* RE: Stus-List Mast Re-Wire -- Need Advice


Pete,



I rewired my mast several years ago.  Since my lights are all LED’s, the
current draw is very low and #18 is fine.  I used Alpha 1897C SL005 where I
needed two conductors (such as Windex light) and Alpha 1898C 3C for three
conductors (such as foredeck/steaming light).  These cables are PVC
jacketed and have tinned copper conductors.  To me having cables is better
than individual conductors and these cables are smaller than multiple
conductor boat cable.



If you have a rat’s nest of wires, I’d consider pulling everything out.  If
possible leave a wire for a messenger or get a snake.



Good luck,

*Ron*

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C 37+

Bristol, RI

ron.ri...@1968.usna.com







*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *kelly
petew via CnC-List
*Sent:* Monday, April 10, 2017 5:02 PM
*To:* cnc-list
*Cc:* kelly petew
*Subject:* Stus-List Mast Re-Wire -- Need Advice



Hello Listers,

First, some background --

Earlier this year, I had the mast extracted from *Siren Song*, my 30-2.
The rigger has completed his work, replacing the rod rigging and fittings,
and rebuilding my Harken furler.

Also, I just finished painting the mast and spreaders with a one-part paint.



Now, I want to rewire the mast.  Preparatory to the extraction, I labeled
the wires, marked fittings and blocks, and took MANY pics on my tablet.

I have removed the old VHF cabling, but I was unsuccessful in replacing it
with LMR-400 [.405" dia.].  For other 30-2 owners, I found [*the hard way*]
that it was too stiff and too big to fit.  I could only get it about 40%
down the mast before it became hopelessly stucked.  Therefore, I have
removed it, and re-ordered original type of cabling [rg-8x, .25"
diameter].

I was hoping to get the enhance performance from the lmr cabling, but it
won't happen, unfortunately.  I will replace the vhf antenna.



Now, I'm planning to replace electrical wires as well as light fixtures.

In doing a preliminary inspection, I found a "*rat's nest*" of wiring just
below the mast's exit hole, which lines up with the underside of the deck
when the mast is in the boat.  It looks as though excess wiring was simply
pushed DOWN into the mast, and over time sagged further down [but still
beyond arm's length from mast's bottom].



Any "*tips and tricks*", including the best tools to use for re-wiring the
electricals will be greatly appreciated, i.e., extracting the old stuff and
installing the new.



Fair Winds,



Pete W.

Siren Song

'91 C 30-2

Deltaville, Va.


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Re: Stus-List Mast Re-Wire -- Need Advice

[kelly petew via CnC-List]

Ron, Hi,

thanks very much for your feedback.

I am going to install LEDs, but I am not familiar with Alpha; I'll need to do 
some research.  thanks.

I have removed the vhf cable only, at this point.

If I can't remove the "nest", I may simply "freshen" the terminals and stay 
with the existing wires.


thanks again!


Pete



From: Ron Ricci 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: 'kelly petew'
Subject: RE: Stus-List Mast Re-Wire -- Need Advice


Pete,



I rewired my mast several years ago.  Since my lights are all LED’s, the 
current draw is very low and #18 is fine.  I used Alpha 1897C SL005 where I 
needed two conductors (such as Windex light) and Alpha 1898C 3C for three 
conductors (such as foredeck/steaming light).  These cables are PVC jacketed 
and have tinned copper conductors.  To me having cables is better than 
individual conductors and these cables are smaller than multiple conductor boat 
cable.



If you have a rat’s nest of wires, I’d consider pulling everything out.  If 
possible leave a wire for a messenger or get a snake.



Good luck,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C 37+

Bristol, RI

ron.ri...@1968.usna.com







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via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 5:02 PM
To: cnc-list
Cc: kelly petew
Subject: Stus-List Mast Re-Wire -- Need Advice



Hello Listers,

First, some background --

Earlier this year, I had the mast extracted from Siren Song, my 30-2.  The 
rigger has completed his work, replacing the rod rigging and fittings, and 
rebuilding my Harken furler.

Also, I just finished painting the mast and spreaders with a one-part paint.



Now, I want to rewire the mast.  Preparatory to the extraction, I labeled the 
wires, marked fittings and blocks, and took MANY pics on my tablet.

I have removed the old VHF cabling, but I was unsuccessful in replacing it with 
LMR-400 [.405" dia.].  For other 30-2 owners, I found [the hard way] that it 
was too stiff and too big to fit.  I could only get it about 40% down the mast 
before it became hopelessly stucked.  Therefore, I have removed it, and 
re-ordered original type of cabling [rg-8x, .25" diameter].

I was hoping to get the enhance performance from the lmr cabling, but it won't 
happen, unfortunately.  I will replace the vhf antenna.



Now, I'm planning to replace electrical wires as well as light fixtures.

In doing a preliminary inspection, I found a "rat's nest" of wiring just below 
the mast's exit hole, which lines up with the underside of the deck when the 
mast is in the boat.  It looks as though excess wiring was simply pushed DOWN 
into the mast, and over time sagged further down [but still beyond arm's length 
from mast's bottom].



Any "tips and tricks", including the best tools to use for re-wiring the 
electricals will be greatly appreciated, i.e., extracting the old stuff and 
installing the new.



Fair Winds,



Pete W.

Siren Song

'91 C 30-2

Deltaville, Va.


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Re: Stus-List Cruising Guide for West Florida?

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Woops, I sent this yesterday but left the digest subject heading. 

Hi,

You can probable get Claiborne Young’s guide “Cruising Guide to Western 
Florida” used for a few dollars nowadays, but all of of this information and 
more are online at Young’s original site: The Salty Southeast Cruisers’ Net. 
The site provides details on the ICW from VA  to Panama City, FL.  The info is 
also available via a free iOS app “SSECN”.   This is one of the good resources 
along with Active Captain as already mentioned.  Active Captain is wonderful, 
its the Yelp of cruising.  AC has a direct website access, but the website uses 
Adobe Flash which is not supported by most smart phones.   For iPhone and 
offline use,  I use AC via the Garmin BlueChart app.  The app is free, and 
Active Caption on the app is free.  I once purchased the add on maps for $9, 
but I have not paid for updated maps as I prefer Navionics.  

Salty Southeast Cruisers’ Net.

http://cruisersnet.net 

Active captain

https://activecaptain.com 



-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL


http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/



> 
> Message: 2
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> Subject: Stus-List Cruising Guide for West Florida?
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> 
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 2 months ago we closed on a 1994 C 37/40+ and moved it from Marco Island to 
> Madiera Beach, Florida. I'm looking for a good cruising Guide to West Florida 
> with good local knowledge especially since water is thin here, we draw 5 ft., 
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> Would love to hear your recommendations, and even meet up with local owners! 
> ?Drinks are on me, of course!!!
> Thanks for your insights,
> Bruce Whitmore"Astralis"
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Re: Stus-List Mast Re-Wire -- Need Advice

[Ron Ricci via CnC-List]

Pete,

 

I rewired my mast several years ago.  Since my lights are all LED's, the
current draw is very low and #18 is fine.  I used Alpha 1897C SL005 where I
needed two conductors (such as Windex light) and Alpha 1898C 3C for three
conductors (such as foredeck/steaming light).  These cables are PVC jacketed
and have tinned copper conductors.  To me having cables is better than
individual conductors and these cables are smaller than multiple conductor
boat cable.

 

If you have a rat's nest of wires, I'd consider pulling everything out.  If
possible leave a wire for a messenger or get a snake.

 

Good luck,

Ron

Ron Ricci

S/V Patriot

C 37+

Bristol, RI

  ron.ri...@1968.usna.com

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of kelly
petew via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 5:02 PM
To: cnc-list
Cc: kelly petew
Subject: Stus-List Mast Re-Wire -- Need Advice

 

Hello Listers, 

First, some background --

Earlier this year, I had the mast extracted from Siren Song, my 30-2.  The
rigger has completed his work, replacing the rod rigging and fittings, and
rebuilding my Harken furler.  

Also, I just finished painting the mast and spreaders with a one-part paint.

 

Now, I want to rewire the mast.  Preparatory to the extraction, I labeled
the wires, marked fittings and blocks, and took MANY pics on my tablet.  

I have removed the old VHF cabling, but I was unsuccessful in replacing it
with LMR-400 [.405" dia.].  For other 30-2 owners, I found [the hard way]
that it was too stiff and too big to fit.  I could only get it about 40%
down the mast before it became hopelessly stucked.  Therefore, I have
removed it, and re-ordered original type of cabling [rg-8x, .25" diameter].


I was hoping to get the enhance performance from the lmr cabling, but it
won't happen, unfortunately.  I will replace the vhf antenna.  

 

Now, I'm planning to replace electrical wires as well as light fixtures.  

In doing a preliminary inspection, I found a "rat's nest" of wiring just
below the mast's exit hole, which lines up with the underside of the deck
when the mast is in the boat.  It looks as though excess wiring was simply
pushed DOWN into the mast, and over time sagged further down [but still
beyond arm's length from mast's bottom].  

 

Any "tips and tricks", including the best tools to use for re-wiring the
electricals will be greatly appreciated, i.e., extracting the old stuff and
installing the new.  

 

Fair Winds,

 

Pete W.

Siren Song

'91 C 30-2

Deltaville, Va.

 

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