Re: Stus-List Rod rigging

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

The advantages of rod over wire are slightly smaller diameter than conventional 
wire of the same strength (thus slightly less wind resistance) and probably a 
small percentage less weight. I doubt that you would see a significant 
performance improvement on a 35-1, but if you’re racing against other boats 
with rod there might be a certain amount of equalizing the playing field.

 

The downsides would be cost and the difficulty of conversion. Rod is more 
expensive, needs to be cut and headed to close tolerances, and needs special 
end fittings for attachments at chain plates, mast, and spreader tips. 

 

A few years ago, I rerigged my 38 and replaced the original, 30+ year old rod 
with Dyform wire. The wire is a scosh larger in diameter than the original rod 
(about 1/16th”) and actually a bit higher in break strength. The mast and 
spreader connection are swaged ball fittings to match the original mast tangs, 
and the connections at the chain plates are Norseman fittings for ease of 
measurement/installation. And the cost of the rerig with Dyform wire was about 
what I was quoted for the removal, shipping, and xray inspection of the old 
wire that was recommended by Navtec.

 

Be sure you consider Dyform wire as an alternative.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Glen Eddie 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 11:12 PM
To: Russ & Melody via CnC-List ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Glen Eddie 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging

 

It was for performance. I have wire and am getting it inspected in the spring. 
Just wanted to know if anyone had changed to Rod Rigging for racing.

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Re: Stus-List Bad engine?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

The engine is definitely not a loss and as others have said is most likely
a blown head gasket.  Aside from the labor you can probably get the gasket
kit for ~$100.  You'll have other incidentals and parts/tool costs but for
less than $1000 you'll be back on the water.  For that $1000 I suggest that
you take the head to a machine shop, it may have warped as a result of
overheating.  While it is off the engine (diy or at the shop) do a valve
job - Guides, seals, seats, springs.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Fri, Oct 13, 2017, 7:28 PM svpegasus38 via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A friend has a Catalina 36 with the Universal 25 engine that overheated,
> and now won't start.
> 1. Excessive blowby
> 2. Smoke in coolant tank
> 3. Oil level is 2 inches above full mark.
>  Oil just changed just after overheated.
> 4. New heat exchanger just replaced. After overheating, coolant was full,
> now empty.
> 5. When it did start lots of white smoke from exhaust.
> 6. Was in process of changing fuel filters when I noticed the empty
> coolant tank, smoke in coolant tank, and over full oil.
>
> Thinking he needs a new engine, or maybe rebuild this one.
> Any advice from the awesome minds on the list is welcome.
>
> Already offered him Pegasus. Lol.
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy
> POYC
> Pegasus (for sale)
> Lf38
> Rebecca Leah LF39
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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

There is no such thing as "too strong".  The only downside is availability,
availability of repair parts, difficulty of repair (particularly underway
or in foreign ports), inability to inspect or predict failure, special
(expensive) tension gauge, and added cost.  The upsides include reduced
windage, less weight, less weight aloft, less stretch.

If by "too strong" you mean that the rig would pull the chain plates out or
stretch them or break them before the rig breaks then yes, while it is
extremely unlikely with any type of rig it would be "more possible" with
rod rigging.  It would require gross incompetence on the part of the person
doing the adjustments.  The typical guidance is that the shrouds should go
slightly slack on a broad reach in 20 kts winds.  My experience is that the
appropriate tension (~10% of break strength) will likely require a
considerable amount of effort even with tools and will make you
uncomfortable if not equipped with the proper tension gauge.

Get me back if you have any other questions.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Fri, Oct 13, 2017, 8:30 PM Glen Eddie via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I am sure this issue has been discussed ad nauseum, but does anyone know
> whether Rod Rigging for a C MK I has any downside. Specifically will it
> be too strong for the chain plates.
>
> Regards
>
> Freya IV
>
> --
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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging

[Glen Eddie via CnC-List]

It was for performance. I have wire and am getting it inspected in the spring. 
Just wanted to know if anyone had changed to Rod Rigging for racing.

From: Russ & Melody via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 9:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Cc: Russ & Melody
Subject: Re: Stus-List Rod rigging



Hi Glen,

I don't recall this discussion happening yet.

So, are you looking at a change from wire to rod as performance increase or 
reliability aspect?

As for your question, rod will not be too strong for the chainplates. In 
designing rigs the terminations tend to be the stronger parts of the system.

Putting too large of wire or rod up "to make it stronger" will result in a less 
reliable system due to fatigue caused by relatively slack rigging, when tuned 
properly.

An anecdote, when I had the gang replaced on Sweet the rigger didn't have 
enough wire of the size I needed for the uppers. He offered to "upgrade me" one 
size larger at no extra charge. I declined and said we can do it next weekend 
with the "right" size.
The larger uppers would have been too slack relative to diameter, at the proper 
tune and would have fatigued early due to vibration.

This discussion will get interesting if you're looking at rod as a performance 
increase.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 05:29 PM 13/10/2017, you wrote:


I am sure this issue has been discussed ad nauseum, but does anyone know 
whether Rod Rigging for a C MK I has any downside. Specifically will it be 
too strong for the chain plates.

Regards

Freya IV

Glen Eddie

Glen Eddie
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Fax: 1-888-812-2557

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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I'm kinda with Russ, why do you want to do that?

Touche' has a rod backstay but I can't think of any good reason why unless
it was because the boat came with a Head Seafoil (essentially a rod
extrusion).  I have since replaced it with a wire forestay.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Glen Eddie via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am sure this issue has been discussed ad nauseum, but does anyone know
> whether Rod Rigging for a C MK I has any downside. Specifically will it
> be too strong for the chain plates.
>
> Regards
>
> Freya IV
>
> --
>
>
> Glen Eddie
> Tel: 416-777-5357 <(416)%20777-5357>
> Fax: 1-888-812-2557 <(888)%20812-2557>
> ged...@torkinmanes.com
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> Torkin Manes LLP
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Re: Stus-List Rod rigging

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Glen,

I don't recall this discussion happening yet.

So, are you looking at a change from wire to rod as performance 
increase or reliability aspect?


As for your question, rod will not be too strong for the chainplates. 
In designing rigs the terminations tend to be the stronger parts of 
the system.


Putting too large of wire or rod up "to make it stronger" will result 
in a less reliable system due to fatigue caused by relatively slack 
rigging, when tuned properly.


An anecdote, when I had the gang replaced on Sweet the rigger didn't 
have enough wire of the size I needed for the uppers. He offered to 
"upgrade me" one size larger at no extra charge. I declined and said 
we can do it next weekend with the "right" size.
The larger uppers would have been too slack relative to diameter, at 
the proper tune and would have fatigued early due to vibration.


This discussion will get interesting if you're looking at rod as a 
performance increase.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 05:29 PM 13/10/2017, you wrote:


I am sure this issue has been discussed ad nauseum, but does anyone 
know whether Rod Rigging for a C MK I has any downside. 
Specifically will it be too strong for the chain plates.


Regards

Freya IV

Glen Eddie
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Re: Stus-List 1973 30-1 For Sale in WA

[Franklin Schenk via CnC-List]

In the DFW area that boat would sell for about $9,000 however it would not be 
in that good condition.
Frank 

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 11:48 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 Here’s a nice-looking 1973 30-1 for sale in Washington state: 
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C%26C-30-MK-I-Sloop-3069749/Gig-Harbor/WA/United-States#.WeBDLa2ZO8U

She has the same cockpit arrangement as Grenadine - boom-end sheeting, 
traveller on transom, tiller steering.  Looks like she’s had some 
customizations.  The price would seem to reflect it.

I don’t know anything about this boat other than what’s in the listing; just 
happened to notice it on the web tonight.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO
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Stus-List Rod rigging

[Glen Eddie via CnC-List]

I am sure this issue has been discussed ad nauseum, but does anyone know 
whether Rod Rigging for a C MK I has any downside. Specifically will it be 
too strong for the chain plates.

Regards

Freya IV



Glen Eddie
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Re: Stus-List Bad engine?

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Sounds like a blown head gasket.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 7:27 PM, svpegasus38 via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A friend has a Catalina 36 with the Universal 25 engine that overheated,
> and now won't start.
> 1. Excessive blowby
> 2. Smoke in coolant tank
> 3. Oil level is 2 inches above full mark.
>  Oil just changed just after overheated.
> 4. New heat exchanger just replaced. After overheating, coolant was full,
> now empty.
> 5. When it did start lots of white smoke from exhaust.
> 6. Was in process of changing fuel filters when I noticed the empty
> coolant tank, smoke in coolant tank, and over full oil.
>
> Thinking he needs a new engine, or maybe rebuild this one.
> Any advice from the awesome minds on the list is welcome.
>
> Already offered him Pegasus. Lol.
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy
> POYC
> Pegasus (for sale)
> Lf38
> Rebecca Leah LF39
>
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Re: Stus-List Aqua Signal Impossible Bolt

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Have you tried McMaster-Carr ?

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

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On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 6:43 PM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> So I have a Series 41 Aqua Signal Bow light.  Dont ask me how but the bolt
> that keeps it all together deep sixed.
>
>
> No problem, I said as it went in, I can get another one from Aqua Signal.
>   Three emails.  No response.
>
>
> So I have been trying to find a 3 1/4" long # 4 bolt.   Seems like a holy
> Grail bolt to me.
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> Thanks, *once again*, in advance.
>
>
> 1981 40-2
>
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Re: Stus-List Bad engine?

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Classic bad head gasket symptoms.

If it didn't run long on overheat then no big deal.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 04:27 PM 13/10/2017, you wrote:
A friend has a Catalina 36 with the Universal 25 engine that 
overheated, and now won't start.

1. Excessive blowby
2. Smoke in coolant tank
3. Oil level is 2 inches above full mark.
 Oil just changed just after overheated.
4. New heat exchanger just replaced. After overheating, coolant was 
full, now empty.

5. When it did start lots of white smoke from exhaust.
6. Was in process of changing fuel filters when I noticed the empty 
coolant tank, smoke in coolant tank, and over full oil.


Thinking he needs a new engine, or maybe rebuild this one.
Any advice from the awesome minds on the list is welcome.

Already offered him Pegasus. Lol.


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
Doug Mountjoy
POYC
Pegasus (for sale)
Lf38
Rebecca Leah LF39
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Re: Stus-List Bad engine?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Blown head gasket likely. May be fixable in boat

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> On Oct 13, 2017, at 19:27, svpegasus38 via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> A friend has a Catalina 36 with the Universal 25 engine that overheated, and 
> now won't start. 
> 1. Excessive blowby 
> 2. Smoke in coolant tank
> 3. Oil level is 2 inches above full mark.
>  Oil just changed just after overheated. 
> 4. New heat exchanger just replaced. After overheating, coolant was full, now 
> empty. 
> 5. When it did start lots of white smoke from exhaust. 
> 6. Was in process of changing fuel filters when I noticed the empty coolant 
> tank, smoke in coolant tank, and over full oil.
> 
> Thinking he needs a new engine, or maybe rebuild this one. 
> Any advice from the awesome minds on the list is welcome.
> 
> Already offered him Pegasus. Lol.
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> Doug Mountjoy 
> POYC 
> Pegasus (for sale) 
> Lf38 
> Rebecca Leah LF39 
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Stus-List Bad engine?

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

A friend has a Catalina 36 with the Universal 25 engine that overheated, and 
now won't start. 1. Excessive blowby 2. Smoke in coolant tank3. Oil level is 2 
inches above full mark.     Oil just changed just after overheated. 4. New heat 
exchanger just replaced. After overheating, coolant was full, now empty. 5. 
When it did start lots of white smoke from exhaust. 6. Was in process of 
changing fuel filters when I noticed the empty coolant tank, smoke in coolant 
tank, and over full oil.
Thinking he needs a new engine, or maybe rebuild this one. Any advice from the 
awesome minds on the list is welcome.
Already offered him Pegasus. Lol.

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus (for sale) Lf38 
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Stus-List Aqua Signal Impossible Bolt

[David via CnC-List]

So I have a Series 41 Aqua Signal Bow light.  Dont ask me how but the bolt that 
keeps it all together deep sixed.


No problem, I said as it went in, I can get another one from Aqua Signal.   
Three emails.  No response.


So I have been trying to find a 3 1/4" long # 4 bolt.   Seems like a holy Grail 
bolt to me.


Any suggestions?


Thanks, once again, in advance.


1981 40-2
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