Re: Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hey Francois,

Thanks for sharing the dramatic story of your prop upgrade.  Hope it helps 
others.


Chuck S



> On September 19, 2019 at 1:18 AM Francois Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Last June, I took the opportunity to remove my old tired Martec prop and 
> send it to the factory for a rebuild while my boat was on the hard for a new 
> bottom paint,
> 
> Sounded like a great idea except that the post office lost the prop.  
> 
> Upon realizing that the prop was gone for good, I did much research and 
> decided to buy a Flex-O-Fold 2 blades folder. I had to hurry and put my order 
> in before July 5th because Flex - O  - Fold was closing their doors for 
> "Summer Holiday" between July 10th and August 15th.  Can you believe it? Yep, 
> close the whole thing down right smack in the middle of prime sailing season. 
>  
> 
> That should have been a clue about their customer service or lack 
> thereof.  
> 
> I got the prop direct from Denmark about a week after putting the order 
> in and had my diver buddy do the install.   The prop looked great but did not 
> perform well at all.  It was over pitched and vibrating really badly, worse 
> than my old tired Martec, my engine was smoking, vibrating, and generally 
> peeved from the lugging / overload.  I just had to put-up with it until mid 
> August when they came back from vacation.  After that It was one arguing 
> email after another on why I'm wrong, my engine is bad (It made 7.6 knots on 
> flat water with the old 3 fixed bladed prop), and in their infinite wisdom 
> they had "definitely" sent me the right prop / I was just not appreciating 
> it.  It finally ended with sending a picture of my chartplotter clearly 
> displaying 7.6 knots SOG while motoring  Then they said: Send the whole thing 
> back to us.  
> 
> Truth to be told, all it probably needed was new blades with 1 inch less 
> pitch.  (They were 16 X 12) I was so fed-up with their crappy attitude, I 
> spent the 200 bucks and sent the thing back. They "Checked" it (Nothing 
> mechanically wrong, just wrong specs) and finally became decent / offered to 
> send my money back. 
> 
> After the refund, I ordered a 2 blades 16" Max Prop Easy  / received it 
> last week / installed it yesterday.  
> 
> It works!  My engine maxes-out at the Yanmar prescribed RPM, it's 
> smoother than I expected, almost as smooth as the fixed 3 blades prop, and 
> the reverse is phenomenal, just like everybody says.   As a bonus, according 
> to a German magazine test, it has less sailing drag than the Flex - O - Fold. 
>  
> 
> 3 months later... It's done.  Good thing we sail all year long here.  I'd 
> be pretty upset If I had to put the boat away for the winter in a week or 
> two... 
> 
> -Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five" 
> Lake Lanier, GA
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List The Low drag Prop saga is over!

[Francois Rivard via CnC-List]

 Last June, I took the opportunity to remove my old tired Martec prop and
send it to the factory for a rebuild while my boat was on the hard for a
new bottom paint,

Sounded like a great idea except that the post office lost the prop.

Upon realizing that the prop was gone for good, I did much research and
decided to buy a Flex-O-Fold 2 blades folder. I had to hurry and put my
order in before July 5th because Flex - O  - Fold was closing their
doors for "Summer Holiday" between July 10th and August 15th.  Can you
believe it? Yep, close the whole thing down right smack in the middle of
prime sailing season.

That should have been a clue about their customer service or lack thereof.

I got the prop direct from Denmark about a week after putting the order in
and had my diver buddy do the install.   The prop looked great but did not
perform well at all.  It was over pitched and vibrating really badly, worse
than my old tired Martec, my engine was smoking, vibrating, and generally
peeved from the lugging / overload.  I just had to put-up with it until mid
August when they came back from vacation.  After that It was one arguing
email after another on why I'm wrong, my engine is bad (It made 7.6 knots
on flat water with the old 3 fixed bladed prop), and in their infinite
wisdom they had "definitely" sent me the right prop / I was just not
appreciating it.  It finally ended with sending a picture of my
chartplotter clearly displaying 7.6 knots SOG while motoring  Then they
said: Send the whole thing back to us.

Truth to be told, all it probably needed was new blades with 1 inch less
pitch.  (They were 16 X 12) I was so fed-up with their crappy attitude, I
spent the 200 bucks and sent the thing back. They "Checked" it (Nothing
mechanically wrong, just wrong specs) and finally became decent / offered
to send my money back.

After the refund, I ordered a 2 blades 16" Max Prop Easy  / received it
last week / installed it yesterday.

It works!  My engine maxes-out at the Yanmar prescribed RPM, it's smoother
than I expected, almost as smooth as the fixed 3 blades prop, and the
reverse is phenomenal, just like everybody says.   As a bonus, according to
a German magazine test, it has less sailing drag than the Flex - O - Fold.

3 months later... It's done.  Good thing we sail all year long here.  I'd
be pretty upset If I had to put the boat away for the winter in a week or
two...

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA
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Stus-List Interior teak

[Francois Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Shawn,

For what it's worth, my cabin top handrails were varnished and looking
pretty bad.  I sanded them . and they look new. It was pretty easy to sand,
it should work out well for you.

Good Luck with the project.

regards,

Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA
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Re: Stus-List Interior teak

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

I get a good result with Watco Teak Oil from Home Depot.  Prior to oiling, I 
wipe down the wood with Pinesol diluted according to the label, and keep in a 
hand sprayer.  Occasionally an accident marks the wood, so I spot sand that 
area prior to the Pinesol treatment, then oil.  This treatment lasts more than 
a year, but I sometimes do small areas when time allows as Zen therapy.  It 
always smells nice afterwards.   


During the winter, boats in my area develop some mold on interior surfaces.  I 
clean that off using CLR Mold & Mildew.  It's an amazing product and has no 
chlorine.  I spray it on a damp sponge and wipe the mildew off, and then rinse 
the sponge in a bucket of warm water.  When I get the surface clean I wipe the 
fiberglass surfaces with a thin coat of CLR applied to a damp sponge.  I treat 
any teak with mildew the same way and follow up with Pinesol and if the surface 
looks dull, I apply some Watco Teak Oil to seal the wood pores.  Not too much.  
Just enough to return the color.  My boat is pretty dry but there are always a 
few small areas where daytime warm moist air condensed onto a cold surface and 
created the perfect home for mold/mildew to grow.  Mostly behind a door or 
inside a locker where there is little air movement.  It wipes off easily with 
this method and doesn't return for a year or two.


Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1990 C 34R, Pasadena, Md



> On September 18, 2019 at 8:16 PM Maurice Poulin via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I used Watco Danish oil on the interior of my C 30 MKII and it looks 
> very nice.  Be carefull not to put too much on door and drawer frames as it 
> tends to stick.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Maurice Poulin 
> Monoloy 
> C 30 MKII
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
> To: CNC List 
> Cc: Len Mitchell 
> Sent: Wed, Sep 18, 2019 12:52 pm
> Subject: Stus-List Interior teak
> 
> I am refinishing some of the worn teak inside the cabin around the galley 
> sink rail etc. Does anyone know what product was originally used by C? I 
> would like to be able to replicate the finish without having to refinish all 
> of the interior. Our teak looks almost new with only a couple exceptions. I 
> have heard Watco Danish Oil looks close but it would be nice to know what was 
> originally used.
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs
> 1989 37+
> Midland On.
> 
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Re: Stus-List Interior teak

[Maurice Poulin via CnC-List]

I used Watco Danish oil on the interior of my C 30 MKII and it looks very 
nice.  Be carefull not to put too much on door and drawer frames as it tends to 
stick.
Cheers
Maurice Poulin Monoloy C 30 MKII


-Original Message-
From: Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
To: CNC List 
Cc: Len Mitchell 
Sent: Wed, Sep 18, 2019 12:52 pm
Subject: Stus-List Interior teak

I am refinishing some of the worn teak inside the cabin around the galley sink 
rail etc. Does anyone know what product was originally used by C? I would 
like to be able to replicate the finish without having to refinish all of the 
interior. Our teak looks almost new with only a couple exceptions. I have heard 
Watco Danish Oil looks close but it would be nice to know what was originally 
used. 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On. 

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Re: Stus-List America's Cup

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Rule 2 would certainly cut down those pesky Swiss challenges 
Rule 5 needs to be amended to include a bottle of angustora bitters and swizzle 
sticks
Chuck Gilchrest 
S/V Half Magic

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Rules I want:
> 1.  The boats are crewed by natives.
> 2.  They sail from the challenging club to the site of the race.
> 3.  Boats must contain at least 1,000 pounds of teak.
> 4.  At least one person on each boat must look and sound like Thurston 
> Howell.
> 5.  Boats must carry ice, rum, pineapple juice, and a blender.
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
> Russell via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 9:48 AM
> To: C List 
> Cc: Gary Russell 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List America's Cup
>  
> I have to go with Chuck on this one.  I agree that innovation only comes from 
> racing and I wish that we required the boats to have native crews.
>  
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
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Re: Stus-List America's Cup

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

The nationality rules are slowing changing.  For 2021 in New Zealand the 
rules dictate:


Twenty percent or three crew, whichever is higher, must be citizens of 
the country of the competing yacht club. The remainder of the crew can 
be made up of residents of the challenging yacht club’s country which is 
defined by being physically present in that country for a minimum of 380 
days over a two year period, between 1 September 2018 and 31 August 2020.


Don Kern
/Fireball /C 35 Mk2
Bristol, RI



On 9/18/2019 9:47 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List wrote:
I have to go with Chuck on this one.  I agree that innovation only 
comes from racing and I wish that we required the boats to have native 
crews.


Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
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Re: Stus-List Interior teak

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

On a related note, some of our interior teak has been varnished, while some
is still stain/oil finish. Is there any hope of sanding down the varnish to
return to an oil finish, or is this a lost cause? Or maybe a paint stripper
to remove it? Some of the varnished sections have some staining and other
damage I'd like to clean up, but it would be easier if I was down to
original teak.
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:15 AM David Blair via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> In my 1990 34+ Watco Danish Oil Cherry flavour seemed to be a perfect
> match.
> Discovered that when removing a bit of teak trim somewhere and finding some
> of the stain on the backside away from any UV degradation.  Also worked
> fine
> on minor mods with teak that wasn't identical to the original - gave a
> consistent colour tone, or around the companion way where the sun had
> bleached out the original.  Ciao.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Len
> Mitchell via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 9:52 AM
> To: CNC List
> Cc: Len Mitchell
> Subject: Stus-List Interior teak
>
> I am refinishing some of the worn teak inside the cabin around the galley
> sink rail etc. Does anyone know what product was originally used by C? I
> would like to be able to replicate the finish without having to refinish
> all
> of the interior. Our teak looks almost new with only a couple exceptions. I
> have heard Watco Danish Oil looks close but it would be nice to know what
> was originally used.
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs
> 1989 37+
> Midland On.
>
> Sent from my mobile device.
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Re: Stus-List Interior teak

[David Blair via CnC-List]

In my 1990 34+ Watco Danish Oil Cherry flavour seemed to be a perfect match.
Discovered that when removing a bit of teak trim somewhere and finding some
of the stain on the backside away from any UV degradation.  Also worked fine
on minor mods with teak that wasn't identical to the original - gave a
consistent colour tone, or around the companion way where the sun had
bleached out the original.  Ciao.

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Len
Mitchell via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 9:52 AM
To: CNC List
Cc: Len Mitchell
Subject: Stus-List Interior teak

I am refinishing some of the worn teak inside the cabin around the galley
sink rail etc. Does anyone know what product was originally used by C? I
would like to be able to replicate the finish without having to refinish all
of the interior. Our teak looks almost new with only a couple exceptions. I
have heard Watco Danish Oil looks close but it would be nice to know what
was originally used. 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On. 

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Stus-List Interior teak

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

I am refinishing some of the worn teak inside the cabin around the galley sink 
rail etc. Does anyone know what product was originally used by C? I would 
like to be able to replicate the finish without having to refinish all of the 
interior. Our teak looks almost new with only a couple exceptions. I have heard 
Watco Danish Oil looks close but it would be nice to know what was originally 
used. 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On. 

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Re: Stus-List America's Cup

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Also, the boat and sails had to be made from materials native to the
challenger's country.

Joel

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:47 AM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> During the early years, the NYYC could alter the defending boat based on
> the conditions of the day.  Challengers had to beat whatever boat America
> sent to the race.   Slightly biased.
>
>
> C
>
>
> On September 18, 2019 at 11:14 AM "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Rule 2 was an actual rule that gave a tremendous advantage to the Newport
> Yacht Club. Their Js and 12s could be as light as class rules allowed, they
> only had to sail about 20 miles from the dock in usually light summer
> conditions. Everyone else’s boats had to cross an ocean to get there and
> tended to be heavier.
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *CHARLES
> SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2019 10:40 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List America's Cup
>
>
>
> That would be a fun regatta.
>
>
>
> On September 18, 2019 at 10:16 AM Richard Bush via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I second Joe's motion to amend the AC rules...
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> s/v Bushmark4: 19085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4
>
> Richard N. Bush
>
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
>
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
>
> 502-584-7255
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
> Sent: Wed, Sep 18, 2019 10:01 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List America's Cup
>
> Rules I want:
>
> 1.  The boats are crewed by natives.
>
> 2.  They sail from the challenging club to the site of the race.
>
> 3.  Boats must contain at least 1,000 pounds of teak.
>
> 4.  At least one person on each boat must look and sound like
> Thurston Howell.
>
> 5.  Boats must carry ice, rum, pineapple juice, and a blender.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List America's Cup

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

During the early years, the NYYC could alter the defending boat based on the 
conditions of the day.  Challengers had to beat whatever boat America sent to 
the race.   Slightly biased.


C


> On September 18, 2019 at 11:14 AM "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Rule 2 was an actual rule that gave a tremendous advantage to the Newport 
> Yacht Club. Their Js and 12s could be as light as class rules allowed, they 
> only had to sail about 20 miles from the dock in usually light summer 
> conditions. Everyone else’s boats had to cross an ocean to get there and 
> tended to be heavier.
> 
>  
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> 
> Coquina
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
> CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 10:40 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List America's Cup
> 
>  
> 
> That would be a fun regatta.  
> 
>  
> 
> > > 
> > On September 18, 2019 at 10:16 AM Richard Bush via CnC-List 
> > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I second Joe's motion to amend the AC rules...
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > s/v Bushmark4: 19085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4
> > 
> > Richard N. Bush
> > 
> > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> > 
> > Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> > 
> > 502-584-7255
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List  > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >
> > Cc: Della Barba, Joe  > mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov >
> > Sent: Wed, Sep 18, 2019 10:01 am
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List America's Cup
> > 
> > Rules I want:
> > 
> > 1.  The boats are crewed by natives.
> > 
> > 2.  They sail from the challenging club to the site of the race.
> > 
> > 3.  Boats must contain at least 1,000 pounds of teak.
> > 
> > 4.  At least one person on each boat must look and sound like 
> > Thurston Howell.
> > 
> > 5.  Boats must carry ice, rum, pineapple juice, and a blender.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Joe Della Barba
> > 
> > Coquina
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
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Re: Stus-List America's Cup

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Rule 2 was an actual rule that gave a tremendous advantage to the Newport Yacht 
Club. Their Js and 12s could be as light as class rules allowed, they only had 
to sail about 20 miles from the dock in usually light summer conditions. 
Everyone else’s boats had to cross an ocean to get there and tended to be 
heavier.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of CHARLES 
SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 10:40 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List America's Cup


That would be a fun regatta.


On September 18, 2019 at 10:16 AM Richard Bush via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I second Joe's motion to amend the AC rules...
Richard

s/v Bushmark4: 19085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


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Sent: Wed, Sep 18, 2019 10:01 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List America's Cup
Rules I want:
1.  The boats are crewed by natives.
2.  They sail from the challenging club to the site of the race.
3.  Boats must contain at least 1,000 pounds of teak.
4.  At least one person on each boat must look and sound like Thurston 
Howell.
5.  Boats must carry ice, rum, pineapple juice, and a blender.


Joe Della Barba
Coquina



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[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

That would be a fun regatta.  


> On September 18, 2019 at 10:16 AM Richard Bush via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I second Joe's motion to amend the AC rules...
> Richard
> 
> s/v Bushmark4: 19085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
> Sent: Wed, Sep 18, 2019 10:01 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List America's Cup
> 
> Rules I want:
> 1.  The boats are crewed by natives.
> 2.  They sail from the challenging club to the site of the race.
> 3.  Boats must contain at least 1,000 pounds of teak.
> 4.  At least one person on each boat must look and sound like 
> Thurston Howell.
> 5.  Boats must carry ice, rum, pineapple juice, and a blender.
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> Coquina
>  
>  
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 I second Joe's motion to amend the AC rules...
Richard
 
s/v Bushmark4: 19085 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4
Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
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Sent: Wed, Sep 18, 2019 10:01 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List America's Cup

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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Rules I want:

1.  The boats are crewed by natives.

2.  They sail from the challenging club to the site of the race.

3.  Boats must contain at least 1,000 pounds of teak.

4.  At least one person on each boat must look and sound like Thurston 
Howell.

5.  Boats must carry ice, rum, pineapple juice, and a blender.



Joe Della Barba
Coquina




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Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 9:48 AM
To: C List 
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List America's Cup

I have to go with Chuck on this one.  I agree that innovation only comes from 
racing and I wish that we required the boats to have native crews.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
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[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I have to go with Chuck on this one.  I agree that innovation only comes
from racing and I wish that we required the boats to have native crews.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
~~~_/)~~



On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 9:34 AM Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Neil,
>
> I’m going to have to side with Charlie on this one.  There’s no shortage
> of One Design regattas, perhaps the most relevant having been raced last
> weekend, the NYYC Resolute Cup, a Corinthian competition between amateur
> sailors from Yacht Clubs around the globe.  All sailing identical Melges
> IC37 boats.  It was very important racing for those clubs involved but
> received little interest outside of some industry related press.
>
> The America’s Cup has ALWAYS been a race that pitted crews and yacht
> designers and engineers, even from the very first competition.  When J
> Class, 12meter and ACC class boats were involved, there was always a “box
> rule” that allowed for creativity and design enhancements that would allow
> for innovation.  Without that innovation, we would never have molded sails,
> carbon fiber spars, or lightweight high modulus yacht ropes that are so
> popular with today’s racers.
>
>
>
> I’ve been a big AC fan ever since the 60’s and thought back then that
> Intrepid was the absolute pinnacle of sailboat racing design.  I would sit
> in middle school classes and try to duplicate her lines, her trim tab and
> rudder, drawing with a pencil using a French curve.  It fascinated me how
> different that boat was than all the other 12meters.  Where else but in a
> competition with virtually unlimited budgets would that sort of innovation
> be incubated and brought to fruition?  Think of how Ben Lexan’s winged keel
> threw the monkey wrench  into the world of sailboat design and it still
> finds its way into shoal draft keels on modern boats.  That would never
> happen if the Cup was strictly a one design event.
>
>
>
> My only regret is that the Cup competition no longer has a strong
> foundation with regards to home grown sailors.  The free agency of
> international talent with little regards to national representation has
> diluted the passion with which our country follows the event.  With such a
> domination of Aussie and Kiwi sailors in the cup, we appear to have lost
> the will to train local skippers and crew to reach for that gold ring of
> excellence that was once held by Dennis Connor, Bus Mosbacher, Paul Cayard,
> and even Bill Koch.  How to change that will depend on who winds up winning
> the Cup in this upcoming addition, but it is somewhat comforting that the
> US based challengers are using our country name to identify the syndicate
> rather than their corporate sponsor.
>
> Go Defiant!
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> S/V Half Magic
>
> 1983 35 Landfall
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Neil
> Andersen via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 18, 2019 8:29 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Neil Andersen 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List America’s Cup
>
>
>
> Sorry, I’m with Charlie.  AC races should be about crews, not engineers.
>
>
>
> I’m all in favor of engineering breakthroughs, but the competitors should
> all be in the same boat and the race test the crew and cut of their sails.
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> 1982 C 32, FoxFire
>
> Rock Hall, MD
>
>
>
> Neil Andersen
>
> 20691 Jamieson Rd
>
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of CHARLES
> SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:02 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* CHARLES SCHEAFFER
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List America’s Cup
>
>
>
> Defiant looks awesome. They stated in a video that the boat foiled in her
> first 90 minutes of being on the water. The video shows her turning at
> speed and looking very steady proving they are doing many things right. I'm
> a huge fan of Americas Cup cause it pushes the possibilities of sailing,
> keeps designers and builders busy, and is very entertaining. Foiling has
> been around a while but recent developments have produced foils that work
> at low speeds like standup paddle boards and even surfboards. The other
> night I watched an hour long documentary of Larry Ellison winning the cup
> back from the Swiss several years before the foiling catamarans. I also
> watched a video of a guy in Truro, England (Poldark area) building fifty
> foot Pilot Cutters in wood and training young people to be builders. BTW,
> my boat takes her name from an Americas Cup defender of 1920, Resolute. She
> was short on the waterline with a bigger than normal sailplan and struggled
> but kept the cup. She was gaff rigged with three headsails and designed by
> Nat Herreshoff who designed and raced the first catamaran and designed the
> first fin keel w bulb. If he were alive today, I'm sure he would be testing
> all the cutting edge materials and designing foils.
>
> 

Re: Stus-List America's Cup

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

I loved the IC 37 event. Real people on real boats. Even made real mistakes we 
can identify with. Hope this concept becomes more popular.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2019, at 9:34 AM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi Neil,
I’m going to have to side with Charlie on this one.  There’s no shortage of One 
Design regattas, perhaps the most relevant having been raced last weekend, the 
NYYC Resolute Cup, a Corinthian competition between amateur sailors from Yacht 
Clubs around the globe.  All sailing identical Melges IC37 boats.  It was very 
important racing for those clubs involved but received little interest outside 
of some industry related press.
The America’s Cup has ALWAYS been a race that pitted crews and yacht designers 
and engineers, even from the very first competition.  When J Class, 12meter and 
ACC class boats were involved, there was always a “box rule” that allowed for 
creativity and design enhancements that would allow for innovation.  Without 
that innovation, we would never have molded sails, carbon fiber spars, or 
lightweight high modulus yacht ropes that are so popular with today’s racers.

I’ve been a big AC fan ever since the 60’s and thought back then that Intrepid 
was the absolute pinnacle of sailboat racing design.  I would sit in middle 
school classes and try to duplicate her lines, her trim tab and rudder, drawing 
with a pencil using a French curve.  It fascinated me how different that boat 
was than all the other 12meters.  Where else but in a competition with 
virtually unlimited budgets would that sort of innovation be incubated and 
brought to fruition?  Think of how Ben Lexan’s winged keel threw the monkey 
wrench  into the world of sailboat design and it still finds its way into shoal 
draft keels on modern boats.  That would never happen if the Cup was strictly a 
one design event.

My only regret is that the Cup competition no longer has a strong foundation 
with regards to home grown sailors.  The free agency of international talent 
with little regards to national representation has diluted the passion with 
which our country follows the event.  With such a domination of Aussie and Kiwi 
sailors in the cup, we appear to have lost the will to train local skippers and 
crew to reach for that gold ring of excellence that was once held by Dennis 
Connor, Bus Mosbacher, Paul Cayard, and even Bill Koch.  How to change that 
will depend on who winds up winning the Cup in this upcoming addition, but it 
is somewhat comforting that the US based challengers are using our country name 
to identify the syndicate rather than their corporate sponsor.
Go Defiant!
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA

From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf 
Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 8:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil Andersen 
mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List America’s Cup

Sorry, I’m with Charlie.  AC races should be about crews, not engineers.

I’m all in favor of engineering breakthroughs, but the competitors should all 
be in the same boat and the race test the crew and cut of their sails.

Neil
1982 C 32, FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


From: CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> on behalf 
of CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER
Subject: Re: Stus-List America’s Cup

Defiant looks awesome. They stated in a video that the boat foiled in her first 
90 minutes of being on the water. The video shows her turning at speed and 
looking very steady proving they are doing many things right. I'm a huge fan of 
Americas Cup cause it pushes the possibilities of sailing, keeps designers and 
builders busy, and is very entertaining. Foiling has been around a while but 
recent developments have produced foils that work at low speeds like standup 
paddle boards and even surfboards. The other night I watched an hour long 
documentary of Larry Ellison winning the cup back from the Swiss several years 
before the foiling catamarans. I also watched a video of a guy in Truro, 
England (Poldark area) building fifty foot Pilot Cutters in wood and training 
young people to be builders. BTW, my boat takes her name from an Americas Cup 
defender of 1920, Resolute. She was short on the waterline with a bigger than 
normal sailplan and struggled but kept the cup. She was gaff rigged with three 
headsails and designed by Nat Herreshoff who designed and raced the first 
catamaran and designed the first fin keel w bulb. If he were alive today, I'm 
sure he would be testing all the cutting edge materials and designing foils.

The new AC boats 

Re: Stus-List America's Cup

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Hi Neil,

I'm going to have to side with Charlie on this one.  There's no shortage of
One Design regattas, perhaps the most relevant having been raced last
weekend, the NYYC Resolute Cup, a Corinthian competition between amateur
sailors from Yacht Clubs around the globe.  All sailing identical Melges
IC37 boats.  It was very important racing for those clubs involved but
received little interest outside of some industry related press.

The America's Cup has ALWAYS been a race that pitted crews and yacht
designers and engineers, even from the very first competition.  When J
Class, 12meter and ACC class boats were involved, there was always a "box
rule" that allowed for creativity and design enhancements that would allow
for innovation.  Without that innovation, we would never have molded sails,
carbon fiber spars, or lightweight high modulus yacht ropes that are so
popular with today's racers.

 

I've been a big AC fan ever since the 60's and thought back then that
Intrepid was the absolute pinnacle of sailboat racing design.  I would sit
in middle school classes and try to duplicate her lines, her trim tab and
rudder, drawing with a pencil using a French curve.  It fascinated me how
different that boat was than all the other 12meters.  Where else but in a
competition with virtually unlimited budgets would that sort of innovation
be incubated and brought to fruition?  Think of how Ben Lexan's winged keel
threw the monkey wrench  into the world of sailboat design and it still
finds its way into shoal draft keels on modern boats.  That would never
happen if the Cup was strictly a one design event.

 

My only regret is that the Cup competition no longer has a strong foundation
with regards to home grown sailors.  The free agency of international talent
with little regards to national representation has diluted the passion with
which our country follows the event.  With such a domination of Aussie and
Kiwi sailors in the cup, we appear to have lost the will to train local
skippers and crew to reach for that gold ring of excellence that was once
held by Dennis Connor, Bus Mosbacher, Paul Cayard, and even Bill Koch.  How
to change that will depend on who winds up winning the Cup in this upcoming
addition, but it is somewhat comforting that the US based challengers are
using our country name to identify the syndicate rather than their corporate
sponsor.

Go Defiant!

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Neil Andersen
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 8:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil Andersen 
Subject: Re: Stus-List America's Cup

 

Sorry, I'm with Charlie.  AC races should be about crews, not engineers.

 

I'm all in favor of engineering breakthroughs, but the competitors should
all be in the same boat and the race test the crew and cut of their sails. 

 

Neil

1982 C 32, FoxFire

Rock Hall, MD

 

Neil Andersen

20691 Jamieson Rd

Rock Hall, MD 21661

 

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CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER
Subject: Re: Stus-List America's Cup 

 

Defiant looks awesome. They stated in a video that the boat foiled in her
first 90 minutes of being on the water. The video shows her turning at speed
and looking very steady proving they are doing many things right. I'm a huge
fan of Americas Cup cause it pushes the possibilities of sailing, keeps
designers and builders busy, and is very entertaining. Foiling has been
around a while but recent developments have produced foils that work at low
speeds like standup paddle boards and even surfboards. The other night I
watched an hour long documentary of Larry Ellison winning the cup back from
the Swiss several years before the foiling catamarans. I also watched a
video of a guy in Truro, England (Poldark area) building fifty foot Pilot
Cutters in wood and training young people to be builders. BTW, my boat takes
her name from an Americas Cup defender of 1920, Resolute. She was short on
the waterline with a bigger than normal sailplan and struggled but kept the
cup. She was gaff rigged with three headsails and designed by Nat Herreshoff
who designed and raced the first catamaran and designed the first fin keel w
bulb. If he were alive today, I'm sure he would be testing all the cutting
edge materials and designing foils. 

The new AC boats will be 75 feet long, foiling monohulls, no keel, no
centerboards, the foils are attached to arms that rotate the windward foil
up to act as a counterweight. Eleven man crews. New Zealand is defending
against America, England and Italy, so there will be four boats. The races
are in 2021 so they have two years to practice and improve the designs. 

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1990 C 34R, Pasadena, Md




On September 17, 

Re: Stus-List America’s Cup

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Sorry, I’m with Charlie.  AC races should be about crews, not engineers.

I’m all in favor of engineering breakthroughs, but the competitors should all 
be in the same boat and the race test the crew and cut of their sails.

Neil
1982 C 32, FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


From: CnC-List  on behalf of CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER
Subject: Re: Stus-List America’s Cup

Defiant looks awesome. They stated in a video that the boat foiled in her first 
90 minutes of being on the water. The video shows her turning at speed and 
looking very steady proving they are doing many things right. I'm a huge fan of 
Americas Cup cause it pushes the possibilities of sailing, keeps designers and 
builders busy, and is very entertaining. Foiling has been around a while but 
recent developments have produced foils that work at low speeds like standup 
paddle boards and even surfboards. The other night I watched an hour long 
documentary of Larry Ellison winning the cup back from the Swiss several years 
before the foiling catamarans. I also watched a video of a guy in Truro, 
England (Poldark area) building fifty foot Pilot Cutters in wood and training 
young people to be builders. BTW, my boat takes her name from an Americas Cup 
defender of 1920, Resolute. She was short on the waterline with a bigger than 
normal sailplan and struggled but kept the cup. She was gaff rigged with three 
headsails and designed by Nat Herreshoff who designed and raced the first 
catamaran and designed the first fin keel w bulb. If he were alive today, I'm 
sure he would be testing all the cutting edge materials and designing foils.

The new AC boats will be 75 feet long, foiling monohulls, no keel, no 
centerboards, the foils are attached to arms that rotate the windward foil up 
to act as a counterweight. Eleven man crews. New Zealand is defending against 
America, England and Italy, so there will be four boats. The races are in 2021 
so they have two years to practice and improve the designs.

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1990 C 34R, Pasadena, Md

On September 17, 2019 at 5:11 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I am not a big fan of the foiling AC boats of any length.

However, I love the name of the US entry, Defiant. Win or lose, she carries a 
great name like many of the old sailing ships of the seafaring nations of the 
world.

Charlie Nelson
S/V Water Phantom
1995 C 36XL/kcb


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[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

For some easy touch up I found that the Behr paint color called White Batten is 
a good match for "smoke gray" which is the gel coat color most often used when 
making C, and if it is a match for you, would serve a a good color chip for 
ultimately getting your paint mixed.Hoping this help,Bruce Whitmore1994 
37/40+Astralis Madiera Beach,  FLSent from Samsung tablet.

 Original message 
From: Luke Wolbrink via CnC-List  
Date: 9/17/2019  4:46 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Luke Wolbrink  
Subject: Stus-List 1985 Color Question 

Hello group,I'm looking to make some repairs to the deck this winter and fill 
in some stress cracks etc. The boat has the original gel-coat still. Has anyone 
had any luck with a topside paint that matches the gel-coat on a circa 1985 
boat? It's an off white that gets darker when wet and I hate to have to paint 
the whole thing just because I filled in some cracks in the 
cabintop.Thanks,Luke1985 35-3' "Zella"
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