Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

Hi Mike!  Haven't seen you in over a year, hope all is well.

Secret Plans has an Espar with the exhaust out the transom, it is angled 
sufficiently that I have absolutely no concerns about drainage, it has 
worked flawlessly since 2010.  I've got it tucked up high as I could and 
still get a 12" upward hump in the exhaust hose (and maintain clearance 
from the hull).  Boat is at BBYC on the hard for another 10 days if you 
want a look, you've got my OK to climb up.  Don't steal the rum.


My fitting doesn't have an elbow, it is welded up on an angle. Like this 
one: https://www.nwmarineair.com/thru-hull-fitting-angled/ 



best,

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2021-05-04 4:18 p.m., Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List wrote:


Wondering if anyone on this list has installed a forced air heater 
with the exhaust thru hull on a reverse transom?


The thru hull I purchased can be seen has an elbow to force the 
exhaust hose into an upward loop but with a reverse transom there is 
potential for water to build up at this elbow joint.


Has anyone experience with this and how it is typically resolved?

Thanks

Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax NS

www.hoytsailing.com


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Stus-List Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

Interesting video but I can't imagine this is something a first time 
novice should attempthow much weight does your boat need to heel, 
how high off the water is the weight, are you confident steering to get 
the weight from vertical to mast to heeled over, will the actual heel be 
enough to clear the bridge, how do you determine the angle of heel 
needed to clear the bridge?


I doubt this was the first time this boat and this skipper did this.  
Nevertheless, there still had to be a first time and that must have been 
exciting.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 3277
Halifax, N.S.



On 2021-05-04 6:13 p.m., Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote:


That might work, but you will probably shit your pants as you come 
under it.


You might experiment with 4 or 500 pounds of garbage hung off your 
halyard and see how much of a lean you get.


85 Ft Mast Under A 65 Ft Bridge - YouTube 



Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA




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Stus-List Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Smart idea

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 6:01 PM Len Mitchell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Friends with a Dufour 41 used a large bag they filled with water to heel
> their boat. It was a great solution because they could roll up and store
> the bag between uses. Youtube has quite a few videos if you need to see it
> done. Sounds like fun. Len
>
> Sent from my iPad
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-- 
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Stus-List CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

Friends with a Dufour 41 used a large bag they filled with water to heel their 
boat. It was a great solution because they could roll up and store the bag 
between uses. Youtube has quite a few videos if you need to see it done. Sounds 
like fun. Len

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

Another option is to wait for stong wind and attempt to sail under 
close hauled if we can get a good lean on.. anyone tried this?
Nope - but I would strongly recommend against it!  You might get heeled 
over enough to get under - but what happens when the wind shifts or 
worse gets blocked out by the bridge and your mast pops upright while 
your underneath?


Weights or a dinghy out to the side are far more consistent

Mark

There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
  - George Santayana

On 2021-05-04 5:53 p.m., Dan via CnC-List wrote:

Thanks everyone.
The measurements came from when I had the mast on the ground, i 
measured from the spartite to the top, and also the entire length. 
Just looking for confirmation from another 44 owner to make absolutely 
sure. The bridge has a tide marker on it and the tide is not too 
strong here so we won't go for it unless we are sure. Just looking at 
the pilings here it looks like the tide drops 1 or maybe 1.5 ft... not 
promising. Will probably go up and remove all the head gear. Another 
option is to wait for stong wind and attempt to sail under close 
hauled if we can get a good lean on.. anyone tried this?

Dan



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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Our 35-2 has a modest reverse transom, and the through-hull I got would
have just allowed for drainage, but I decided to put on the aft quarter,
about 12" forward of the transom edge. The heater is just below the deck,
so it's all downhill to the outlet, and I've had no issues so far. Many
newer boats (Dufour, Beneteau, Island Packet) use a similar location also,
so I figured it's probably ok.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 1:37 PM Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> We have a reverse transom too but our Espar exhaust doesn't go through the
> transom. It goes through the side of the hull back close to the transom.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 16:19, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Wondering if anyone on this list has installed a forced air heater with
>> the exhaust thru hull on a reverse transom?
>>
>>
>>
>> The thru hull I purchased can be seen has an elbow to force the exhaust
>> hose into an upward loop but with a reverse transom there is potential for
>> water to build up at this elbow joint.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone experience with this and how it is typically resolved?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Hoyt
>>
>> Persistence
>>
>> Halifax NS
>>
>> www.hoytsailing.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
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> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Back in the 80’s I crewed on J-24s when not doing foredeck on offshore boats.  
In the Seattle area there are J-24 races on both Lake Washington and Puget 
Sound.  The boats I crewed on often participated in both fleets the same week.  
To transit from Lk WA to PS included going under 4 bridges and the Ballard 
Locks.  This was often done after a few post race beverages.

So, one evening we decided to attempt heeling the J-24 over enough to go under 
the LK WA Ship Canal’s Fremont bridge.  As we approached the narrow passage one 
crew went up the mast and another on the boom gave enough heel to make it look 
possible.

Fortunately we determined that heeling over far enough to clear the bridge 
lifted the rudder out of the water = zero steering ability before we were 
trapped under the bridge.  Also, it was good that most of my more entertaining 
nautical performances occurred prior to cell phone cameras and YouTube.

FYI, I sailed the J-24s enough to get a chance to crew in the 1989 J-24 worlds 
in Kingston including the road trips that go along with that level of 
competition.  In the 10 years working up to that event we had many 
opportunities to perfect stupid people tricks like heeling the J over 90 
degrees, having a crew climb up the mast then all other crew jumping into the 
water providing a sling shot ride to the guy up the mast.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43
Seattle/Port Townsend’s boat yard

From: Dan via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 1:54 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Dan
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

Thanks everyone.
The measurements came from when I had the mast on the ground, i measured from 
the spartite to the top, and also the entire length. Just looking for 
confirmation from another 44 owner to make absolutely sure. The bridge has a 
tide marker on it and the tide is not too strong here so we won't go for it 
unless we are sure. Just looking at the pilings here it looks like the tide 
drops 1 or maybe 1.5 ft... not promising. Will probably go up and remove all 
the head gear. Another option is to wait for stong wind and attempt to sail 
under close hauled if we can get a good lean on.. anyone tried this?
Dan


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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Dan via CnC-List]

Thanks, yes, i watched this. I have no issues trying this, just would need
to locate a plastic barrel or some large heavy duty bags like that. I will
certainly post and video the whole thing if we attempt that!

Dan
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

That might work, but you will probably shit your pants as you come under it.

You might experiment with 4 or 500 pounds of garbage hung off your halyard and 
see how much of a lean you get.

 

85   Ft Mast Under A 65 Ft 
Bridge - YouTube

 

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Dan via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 4:54 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Dan
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

 

Thanks everyone.

The measurements came from when I had the mast on the ground, i measured from 
the spartite to the top, and also the entire length. Just looking for 
confirmation from another 44 owner to make absolutely sure. The bridge has a 
tide marker on it and the tide is not too strong here so we won't go for it 
unless we are sure. Just looking at the pilings here it looks like the tide 
drops 1 or maybe 1.5 ft... not promising. Will probably go up and remove all 
the head gear. Another option is to wait for stong wind and attempt to sail 
under close hauled if we can get a good lean on.. anyone tried this?

Dan

 

On Tue, May 4, 2021, 3:14 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
wrote:

A Pig Stick!  That is the best suggestion yet.

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 2:01 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

 

I taped a long stick onto Touche's main halyard.  I taped a 100 foot tape to 
the top of the stick.  I hauled the stick up and adjusted the hoist until the 
tape was even with the bird spike on my Windex.  Then I swung the tape to the 
water.  ~50 feet.  Touche's VHF antenna is another couple feet.

 

  -- 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 12:43 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Don't rely on calculations. I ran a tape up the mast using the main halyard, 
added the measured distance from the base of the mast to the waterline, and 
added five feet to allow for the distance from the top of the halyard to the 
top of the antenna in order to give me an accurate measurement.




Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

 




 

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Dan via CnC-List]

Thanks everyone.
The measurements came from when I had the mast on the ground, i measured
from the spartite to the top, and also the entire length. Just looking for
confirmation from another 44 owner to make absolutely sure. The bridge has
a tide marker on it and the tide is not too strong here so we won't go for
it unless we are sure. Just looking at the pilings here it looks like the
tide drops 1 or maybe 1.5 ft... not promising. Will probably go up and
remove all the head gear. Another option is to wait for stong wind and
attempt to sail under close hauled if we can get a good lean on.. anyone
tried this?
Dan

On Tue, May 4, 2021, 3:14 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A Pig Stick!  That is the best suggestion yet.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Entrada, Erie, PA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 04, 2021 2:01 PM
> *To:* Stus-List
> *Cc:* Dennis C.
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge
> Clearance
>
>
>
> I taped a long stick onto Touche's main halyard.  I taped a 100 foot tape
> to the top of the stick.  I hauled the stick up and adjusted the hoist
> until the tape was even with the bird spike on my Windex.  Then I swung the
> tape to the water.  ~50 feet.  Touche's VHF antenna is another couple feet.
>
>
>
>   --
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Touche' 35-1 #83
>
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 12:43 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Don't rely on calculations. I ran a tape up the mast using the main
> halyard, added the measured distance from the base of the mast to the
> waterline, and added five feet to allow for the distance from the top of
> the halyard to the top of the antenna in order to give me an accurate
> measurement.
>
>
> Alan Bergen
>
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
>
> Rose City YC
>
> Portland, OR
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

We have a reverse transom too but our Espar exhaust doesn't go through the
transom. It goes through the side of the hull back close to the transom.

Ken H.

On Tue, 4 May 2021 at 16:19, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Wondering if anyone on this list has installed a forced air heater with
> the exhaust thru hull on a reverse transom?
>
>
>
> The thru hull I purchased can be seen has an elbow to force the exhaust
> hose into an upward loop but with a reverse transom there is potential for
> water to build up at this elbow joint.
>
>
>
> Has anyone experience with this and how it is typically resolved?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mike Hoyt
>
> Persistence
>
> Halifax NS
>
> www.hoytsailing.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: USCG documentation renewal

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Right now the 5 year renewal is optional. I elected a 3 year documentation so the renewal date will correspond to the renewal of my 3 year state registration in North Carolina. I presume that when up for renewal again, only 5 years will be an option.Rick Brass-Original Message-
From: Matthew via CnC-List 
Sent: May 4, 2021 2:11 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Matthew 
Subject: Stus-List Re: USCG documentation renewal

FYI, the five-year renewal already started.  I have a five-year document.   From: Dennis C. via CnC-List  Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 1:56 PMTo: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Stus-List USCG documentation renewal Well, it's that time again!  I just got my notice from "Vessel Documentation Portal".  I took a Sharpie and wrote "REFUSED. RETURN TO SENDER" on it and put it back in the mailbox.  It usually arrives a few weeks BEFORE the official notification from USCG. For the newbies, this is one of several third party services that will help you renew your USCG documentationfor a fee.  A large fee. You can renew without any additional fees at:  https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Our-Organization/Deputy-for-Operations-Policy-and-Capabilities-DCO-D/National-Vessel-Documentation-Center/ or http://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/ If you Google "USCG vessel documentation renewal" you will get, in addition to the real USCG Vessel Documentation Center, other third party entities which will gladly take a large fee and file your renewal for you.  Nothing illegal about these third parties.  You are welcome to use them.  It's just irritating that they design their mailouts and website to look very official thus deceiving the uninformed boat owner into thinking they are the real USCG NVDC. Be aware. Also, be advised that the USCG has new forms and, effective Jan 2022, will be extending the term of your documentation certificate to five years from one year.  The fee will increase from $26 to $130 ($26 x 5). -- Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LAThanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
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Stus-List Question re heater transom exhaust thru hull

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Wondering if anyone on this list has installed a forced air heater with the 
exhaust thru hull on a reverse transom?

The thru hull I purchased can be seen has an elbow to force the exhaust hose 
into an upward loop but with a reverse transom there is potential for water to 
build up at this elbow joint.

Has anyone experience with this and how it is typically resolved?

Thanks

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax NS
www.hoytsailing.com



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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

A Pig Stick!  That is the best suggestion yet.

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 2:01 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

 

I taped a long stick onto Touche's main halyard.  I taped a 100 foot tape to 
the top of the stick.  I hauled the stick up and adjusted the hoist until the 
tape was even with the bird spike on my Windex.  Then I swung the tape to the 
water.  ~50 feet.  Touche's VHF antenna is another couple feet.

 

  -- 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 12:43 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Don't rely on calculations. I ran a tape up the mast using the main halyard, 
added the measured distance from the base of the mast to the waterline, and 
added five feet to allow for the distance from the top of the halyard to the 
top of the antenna in order to give me an accurate measurement.




Alan Bergen

35 Mk III Thirsty

Rose City YC

Portland, OR

 




 

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Stus-List Re: USCG documentation renewal

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

And by the way this is the last year you can renew with anything less 
than 5 years.  Next year only 5 year renewals will be available.


Don Kern
/Fireball,/ C Mk2
Bristol, RI

On 5/4/2021 2:11 PM, Matthew via CnC-List wrote:


FYI, the five-year renewal already started.  I have a five-year document.

*From:* Dennis C. via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 04, 2021 1:56 PM
*To:* CnClist 
*Cc:* Dennis C. 
*Subject:* Stus-List USCG documentation renewal

Well, it's that time again!  I just got my notice from "Vessel 
Documentation Portal".  I took a Sharpie and wrote "REFUSED. RETURN TO 
SENDER" on it and put it back in the mailbox.  It usually arrives a 
few weeks BEFORE the official notification from USCG.


For the newbies, this is one of several third party services that will 
help you renew your USCG documentationfor a fee.  A large fee.


You can renew without any additional fees at:

https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Our-Organization/Deputy-for-Operations-Policy-and-Capabilities-DCO-D/National-Vessel-Documentation-Center/ 



or

http://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/ 

If you Google "USCG vessel documentation renewal" you will get, in 
addition to the real USCG Vessel Documentation Center, other third 
party entities which will gladly take a large fee and file your 
renewal for you.  Nothing illegal about these third parties.  You are 
welcome to use them.  It's just irritating that they design their 
mailouts and website to look very official thus deceiving the 
uninformed boat owner into thinking they are the real USCG NVDC.


Be aware.

Also, be advised that the USCG has new forms and, effective Jan 2022, 
will be extending the term of your documentation certificate to five 
years from one year.  The fee will increase from $26 to $130 ($26 x 5).


--

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA


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Stus-List Re: USCG documentation renewal

[Matthew via CnC-List]

FYI, the five-year renewal already started.  I have a five-year document.  

 

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 1:56 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List USCG documentation renewal

 

Well, it's that time again!  I just got my notice from "Vessel Documentation 
Portal".  I took a Sharpie and wrote "REFUSED. RETURN TO SENDER" on it and put 
it back in the mailbox.  It usually arrives a few weeks BEFORE the official 
notification from USCG.

 

For the newbies, this is one of several third party services that will help you 
renew your USCG documentationfor a fee.  A large fee.

 

You can renew without any additional fees at: 

 

https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Our-Organization/Deputy-for-Operations-Policy-and-Capabilities-DCO-D/National-Vessel-Documentation-Center/

 

or

 

http://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/

 

If you Google "USCG vessel documentation renewal" you will get, in addition to 
the real USCG Vessel Documentation Center, other third party entities which 
will gladly take a large fee and file your renewal for you.  Nothing illegal 
about these third parties.  You are welcome to use them.  It's just irritating 
that they design their mailouts and website to look very official thus 
deceiving the uninformed boat owner into thinking they are the real USCG NVDC.

 

Be aware.

 

Also, be advised that the USCG has new forms and, effective Jan 2022, will be 
extending the term of your documentation certificate to five years from one 
year.  The fee will increase from $26 to $130 ($26 x 5).


 

-- 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I taped a long stick onto Touche's main halyard.  I taped a 100 foot tape
to the top of the stick.  I hauled the stick up and adjusted the hoist
until the tape was even with the bird spike on my Windex.  Then I swung the
tape to the water.  ~50 feet.  Touche's VHF antenna is another couple feet.

  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 12:43 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Don't rely on calculations. I ran a tape up the mast using the main
> halyard, added the measured distance from the base of the mast to the
> waterline, and added five feet to allow for the distance from the top of
> the halyard to the top of the antenna in order to give me an accurate
> measurement.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
>
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Stus-List Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

That is so close, I would have someone crank me up the mast with a hundred foot 
tape.

Don’t want to take a chance you would Breakaweigh the top of your spar. You 
would live in infamy on YouTube.

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

 

From: Dan via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2021 10:55 AM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list
Cc: Dan
Subject: Stus-List CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

 

We are in Jacksonville Fl. And planning to go under the Buckman Bridge which 
has a clearance at mean high water of 65'. I read that there is a 5' tide 
change here in Jacksonville. I calculated our clearance from the waterline to 
63'8" (not including antennae) can another C owner please confirm this with 
me that my calculations are accurate before we attempt this bridge? (At low 
tide)

 

C mast specs:

Mast 65’5” total, 58’5” deck to masthead, 7’ below decks
63' 8" our waterline to top of mast (minus antennae)

 

Thanks so much,

 

Dan Cormier

Breakaweigh

C

Halifax, NS

CANADA

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Stus-List USCG documentation renewal

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Well, it's that time again!  I just got my notice from "Vessel
Documentation Portal".  I took a Sharpie and wrote "REFUSED. RETURN TO
SENDER" on it and put it back in the mailbox.  It usually arrives a few
weeks BEFORE the official notification from USCG.

For the newbies, this is one of several third party services that will help
you renew your USCG documentationfor a fee.  A large fee.

You can renew without any additional fees at:

https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Our-Organization/Deputy-for-Operations-Policy-and-Capabilities-DCO-D/National-Vessel-Documentation-Center/

or

http://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/

If you Google "USCG vessel documentation renewal" you will get, in addition
to the real USCG Vessel Documentation Center, other third party entities
which will gladly take a large fee and file your renewal for you.  Nothing
illegal about these third parties.  You are welcome to use them.  It's just
irritating that they design their mailouts and website to look very
official thus deceiving the uninformed boat owner into thinking they are
the real USCG NVDC.

Be aware.

Also, be advised that the USCG has new forms and, effective Jan 2022, will
be extending the term of your documentation certificate to five years from
one year.  The fee will increase from $26 to $130 ($26 x 5).

-- 
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Don't rely on calculations. I ran a tape up the mast using the main
halyard, added the measured distance from the base of the mast to the
waterline, and added five feet to allow for the distance from the top of
the halyard to the top of the antenna in order to give me an accurate
measurement.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR



On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:34 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> More than one C has a short and tall rig version, so I would
> double-check that.
>
> I would go through at low tide too, that will gain you a few feet.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Chris Riedinger via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 4, 2021 12:43 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Chris Riedinger 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance
>
>
>
> Sounds close. I would back down to it
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 4, 2021, 7:55 AM Dan via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> We are in Jacksonville Fl. And planning to go under the Buckman Bridge
> which has a clearance at mean high water of 65'. I read that there is a 5'
> tide change here in Jacksonville. I calculated our clearance from the
> waterline to 63'8" (not including antennae) can another C owner please
> confirm this with me that my calculations are accurate before we attempt
> this bridge? (At low tide)
>
>
>
> C mast specs:
>
> Mast 65’5” total, 58’5” deck to masthead, 7’ below decks
> 63' 8" our waterline to top of mast (minus antennae)
>
>
>
> Thanks so much,
>
>
>
> Dan Cormier
>
> Breakaweigh
>
> C
>
> Halifax, NS
>
> CANADA
>
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Doing a delivery on the ICW with a boat that had steps, I used to run up to the 
top of the mast and look at the bridge clearance up close. That is fun if you 
don’t hit anything!
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

More than one C has a short and tall rig version, so I would double-check 
that.
I would go through at low tide too, that will gain you a few feet.


Joe Della Barba



From: Chris Riedinger via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 4, 2021 12:43 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Chris Riedinger 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

Sounds close. I would back down to it

On Tue, May 4, 2021, 7:55 AM Dan via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
We are in Jacksonville Fl. And planning to go under the Buckman Bridge which 
has a clearance at mean high water of 65'. I read that there is a 5' tide 
change here in Jacksonville. I calculated our clearance from the waterline to 
63'8" (not including antennae) can another C owner please confirm this with 
me that my calculations are accurate before we attempt this bridge? (At low 
tide)

C mast specs:
Mast 65’5” total, 58’5” deck to masthead, 7’ below decks
63' 8" our waterline to top of mast (minus antennae)

Thanks so much,

Dan Cormier
Breakaweigh
C
Halifax, NS
CANADA
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Stus-List Re: CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Chris Riedinger via CnC-List]

Sounds close. I would back down to it

On Tue, May 4, 2021, 7:55 AM Dan via CnC-List  wrote:

> We are in Jacksonville Fl. And planning to go under the Buckman Bridge
> which has a clearance at mean high water of 65'. I read that there is a 5'
> tide change here in Jacksonville. I calculated our clearance from the
> waterline to 63'8" (not including antennae) can another C owner please
> confirm this with me that my calculations are accurate before we attempt
> this bridge? (At low tide)
>
> C mast specs:
> Mast 65’5” total, 58’5” deck to masthead, 7’ below decks
> 63' 8" our waterline to top of mast (minus antennae)
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Dan Cormier
> Breakaweigh
> C
> Halifax, NS
> CANADA
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
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Stus-List CnC44 Mast Height for Bridge Clearance

[Dan via CnC-List]

We are in Jacksonville Fl. And planning to go under the Buckman Bridge
which has a clearance at mean high water of 65'. I read that there is a 5'
tide change here in Jacksonville. I calculated our clearance from the
waterline to 63'8" (not including antennae) can another C owner please
confirm this with me that my calculations are accurate before we attempt
this bridge? (At low tide)

C mast specs:
Mast 65’5” total, 58’5” deck to masthead, 7’ below decks
63' 8" our waterline to top of mast (minus antennae)

Thanks so much,

Dan Cormier
Breakaweigh
C
Halifax, NS
CANADA
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Stus-List Re: Sherwood water pump replacement

[Sylvain Laplante via CnC-List]

 They also have one without grease cup , slightly more expensive but saves you 
to dive into the sail compartment before every long motor run

On Tuesday, May 4, 2021, 2:47:59 AM EDT, james taylor via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Moyer Marine has an improved version of the Oberdorfer that is even 
better!James TaylorDelaney1976 C 38Oriental, NC

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 6:50 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:

ABSOLUTELY worth it!!  The Oberdorfer pump is not only MUCH easier to service, 
it's less expensive than the Sherwood to replace.  Very happy I switched!
  -- 
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 5:34 PM David Knecht via CnC-List 
 wrote:

My Universal M4-30 has a Sherwood water pump that I hate every time I have to 
touch it (mercifully infrequent).  For some reason, they designed it with the 
screws coming in from the back, which are a PITA to get to.  I remember reading 
that there was an Oberdorfer pump that could replace the Sherwood that has a 
standard front panel opening. Has anyone done this?  Was it worthwhile?  
Thanks- Dave
S/V Aries1990 C 34+New London, CT

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Stus-List Re: clogged head hoses

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Bruce,

Any mild, diluted acid should work.  Muriatic (hydrochloric), phosphoric,
acetic (vinegar), oxalic (wood bleach), citric (lemon juice), etc.  Even
Coca Cola (phosphoric acid) and milk (lactic acid) might have some effect
but I doubt it.  However, some may work better than others.  Muriatic and
phosphoric are on the more aggressive end of the mild acid group so they
may work faster.

The key is to somewhat dilute them and change them often if you are
removing large amounts of scale.  Uric scale is mostly calcium.  Acid
dissolves calcium.  However, the acid will only dissolve so much calcium
before it becomes neutralized.  At that point, the neutralized acid
solution should be replaced with new acid.  Continue the process until the
scale is gone.  Don't leave the acid solution in the equipment for more
than a few hours.

Be sure to wear eye and skin protection when handling any stronger,
undiluted acids.

  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 10:05 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> So let me ask a question on this issue.  I found that vinegar is just not
> strong enough to fix the calcium buildup in the head.  I tried a mixture of
> 10% muriatic acid cut through it quickly, and the last year or two I have
> taken to flushing some through the headand directly overboard.   It freed
> up some stickiness in our Jabsco head pump, and after 3 or so years the
> Jabsco replacement pump continues to work like new.
>
> Is there a downside to using muriatic acid for this purpose as long as I
> don't leave it in the system for long?
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092
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Stus-List Re: Gmail filter

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Bruce,

I see you use gmail.  Look to the far right on the address line.  Click the
three vertical dots.  You will get a pop up.  Click "Filter messages like
this".

You will get another pop up.  Put *Stus-List* in the line marked Subject.
Include the asterisks.

Click "Create filter" at the bottom.  This will bring up the choices for
you.

Check "Skip the inbox"
If you direct your list emails to a folder, check "Apply the label" and
select your folder from the drop down.
Check "Never send it to spam"
Check "Categorize as forums" if you use forums.  I don't.

Click the "Create Filter" link at the bottom.

Now, check your filter.  Click the "Gear" in the upper right of the gmail
page.  In the Settings pop up, click "See All Settings".  You'll get the
Settings page.  At the top, click "Filters and Blocked Addresses".  You
should see the criteria for your filter.
  --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 10:12 PM Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sorry,  but the older I get, the less tech savvy I am.  What is meant by "Skip
> the inbox, label CNC-LIST, don't send to spam, catagorize as forums."?  I
> can't find and commands or sub commands to do this.
>
> Help please?
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: clogged head hoses

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Muriatic acid, by its very nature is biodegradable.

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847) 404-5092
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Stus-List Re: clogged head hoses

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

I’m sure the fish wouldn’t like the muriatic acid...

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending winters in warm places, and summers on the Chesapeake Bay)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On May 3, 2021, at 11:04 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all, 
> 
> So let me ask a question on this issue.  I found that vinegar is just not 
> strong enough to fix the calcium buildup in the head.  I tried a mixture of 
> 10% muriatic acid cut through it quickly, and the last year or two I have 
> taken to flushing some through the headand directly overboard.   It freed up 
> some stickiness in our Jabsco head pump, and after 3 or so years the Jabsco 
> replacement pump continues to work like new.
> 
> Is there a downside to using muriatic acid for this purpose as long as I 
> don't leave it in the system for long?
> 
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
> (847) 404-5092
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] clogged head hoses

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Riley - Nice job on that tank!

Dave  33-2

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 3, 2021, at 10:18 PM, Riley Anderson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Doug,
> 
> Check out this thread on Cruisersforum. I wrote up the build process for my 
> custom holding tank here (username RMA). I was in the same position. 
> Fortunately, the previous owner had already ripped out the head and all 
> hoses/tank, so I was starting with a blank slate. I went with Raritan Sani 
> Flex hose for everything. It is probably the best sanitation hose on the 
> market. Butyl rubber with double helix reinforcement. It is very flexible and 
> easy to work with. 10 year warranty and it's only $9/ft at Defender.
> 
> Best of luck,
> 
>> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I'm in the process of replacing worst hoses. But trying to eliminate having 
>> to do this again. 
>> I had heard about vinager, but I'd also heard it didn't work. I trust the 
>> answers on this list more so than some other sources. 
>> Thanks 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>> 
>> Doug Mountjoy
>> Port Orchard YC
>> Port Orchard,  WA
>> Rebecca Leah
>> 1988 LF39 
>> 
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
>> Date: 5/3/21 09:46 (GMT-08:00)
>> To: Stus-List 
>> Cc: Doug Mountjoy 
>> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List clogged head hoses
>> 
>> Vinegar is your friend.
>> 
>> At this point you will be replacing them or beating the hell out of them on 
>> the dock, they sound too far gone for vinegar.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Joe Della Barba
>> 
>> Coquina
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List  
>> Sent: Monday, May 3, 2021 12:33 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Doug Mountjoy 
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List clogged head hoses
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Good Morning All,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I am in the process of replacing my Stainless steel holding tank, due to 
>> holes that are a result of corrosion. This is requiring me to make one out 
>> of fiberglass. No one makes a tank this size and shape needed. This led me 
>> to checking the hoses for condition. I found that the hoses from the toilet 
>> to tank are severely clogged. Not sure how any fluid was getting through. 
>> Currently with the aft cabin torn apart my boat is unusable for anything, 
>> including living aboard, which I am.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My question is this. What does everyone use to help keep the lines clear? Do 
>> you pull them out every few years and clean them? Is there a chemical that I 
>> can flush down that will help keep them clean?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Douglas Mountjoy
>> 253-208-1412
>> 
>> Port Orchard YC, WA
>> 
>> Rebecca Leah
>> 
>> C LandFall 39
>> 
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>> Stu
> 
> 
> -- 
> Fair winds and following seas,
> 
> Charlotte Freeland & Riley Anderson
> SV Freight Train
> Middletown, CT USA
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