Stus-List Re: Shore Power Adapters.

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

20 amp power on marine pedestals seemed to be fairly common in the 70's and 
80'. My 25 mk1 has no AC system built in, but came with a power cord that went 
from a 20amp marine male plug (which looks like a smaller diameter 30 amp male 
with 3 curved prongs, one being L shape) to a 20 amp household female. I have 
used it to power a charger or power tools in the past. I still have the male 
connector in the garage some place. I haven't seen a 20amp outlet in a marina 
in probably 25-30 years, though I guess they are still out there somewhere.

Imzadi has a conventional 30 amp marine power cord. And 30 amp 125v power 
outlets have pretty much been the norm on marine power pedestals.

But as I've been doing deliveries over the past few years I've run into several 
marinas that only offer 50 amp power on the pedestals. So to be on the safe 
side I bought a 50 amp male to 30 amp female power adapter that I keep on 
Imzadi and carry on some of the longer deliveries. The current state of the art 
for a 50amp marine pedestal outlet seems to be 125/250V. I find myself 
wondering if there used to be a 50amp 125v option, though I don' see how you 
could wire such and arrangement.

Rick Brass

Original Message-
From: Stus-List 
Sent: Jul 21, 2023 9:29 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: ALAN BERGEN 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Shore Power Adapters.

Most of the locations I cruise to have 30 Amp receptacles. However, 
occasionally I have come across locations with 20 Amp receptacles. 
That's when my 20 Amp male to 30 Amp female comes in handy. I just have to male 
sure I don't exceed the current supplied at the 20 Amp receptacle.
 
Alan






On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 6:22 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com)> wrote:
Adapters are easy to make. You can pick up parts at Home Depot, Lowes or some 
local hardware store. I have three or four that I hardly ever use, but when I 
need one, it's nice to have it.
 
Alan





On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 2:11 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com)> wrote:
I think I may have given away my 30 amp adapters with my last boat, but a 125V 
30 amp male to a 20 amp female household plug would have partially solved my 
problem last weekend at a neighboring Club. Not ideal, I know, nobody  likes 
household cords going to boats.  A  125V 30 amp Male to 125/250V Female Pigtail 
would have been ideal , but maybe not - I see Marinco does not sell such a 
plug, which leads me to believe that maybe there is a reason they don't. Maybe 
it would be a  bad idea to bring two legs of the same 125 Volts into a 250 volt 
system.  Seems like  like inbreeding. I know enough about electricity to get me 
into trouble, but not sure about this one, and wonder if there are any actual 
electricians out there..I could buy field plugs and make my own, but I don't 
want to fry my system or burn my boat down. 
 I do have a 125/250 female to 125 household male, which enables me to charge 
batteries in the winter. 
 
Thanks,
 
Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA

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Stus-List Re: Shore Power Adapters.

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Most of the locations I cruise to have 30 Amp receptacles. However,
occasionally I have come across locations with 20 Amp receptacles.
That's when my 20 Amp male to 30 Amp female comes in handy. I just have to
male sure I don't exceed the current supplied at the 20 Amp receptacle.

Alan


On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 6:22 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Adapters are easy to make. You can pick up parts at Home Depot, Lowes or
> some local hardware store. I have three or four that I hardly ever use, but
> when I need one, it's nice to have it.
>
> Alan
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 2:11 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I think I may have given away my 30 amp adapters with my last boat, but a
>> 125V 30 amp male to a 20 amp female household plug would have partially
>> solved my problem last weekend at a neighboring Club. Not ideal, I know,
>> nobody  likes household cords going to boats.  A  125V 30 amp Male to
>> 125/250V Female Pigtail would have been ideal , but maybe not - I see
>> Marinco does not sell such a plug, which leads me to believe that maybe
>> there is a reason they don't. Maybe it would be a  bad idea to bring two
>> legs of the same 125 Volts into a 250 volt system.  Seems like  like
>> inbreeding. I know enough about electricity to get me into trouble, but not
>> sure about this one, and wonder if there are any actual electricians out
>> there..I could buy field plugs and make my own, but I don't want to fry my
>> system or burn my boat down.
>>  I do have a 125/250 female to 125 household male, which enables me to
>> charge batteries in the winter.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>> Entrada, Erie PA
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>> Thanks for your help.
>> Stu
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Stus-List Re: Shore Power Adapters.

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Adapters are easy to make. You can pick up parts at Home Depot, Lowes or
some local hardware store. I have three or four that I hardly ever use, but
when I need one, it's nice to have it.

Alan


On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 2:11 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I think I may have given away my 30 amp adapters with my last boat, but a
> 125V 30 amp male to a 20 amp female household plug would have partially
> solved my problem last weekend at a neighboring Club. Not ideal, I know,
> nobody  likes household cords going to boats.  A  125V 30 amp Male to
> 125/250V Female Pigtail would have been ideal , but maybe not - I see
> Marinco does not sell such a plug, which leads me to believe that maybe
> there is a reason they don't. Maybe it would be a  bad idea to bring two
> legs of the same 125 Volts into a 250 volt system.  Seems like  like
> inbreeding. I know enough about electricity to get me into trouble, but not
> sure about this one, and wonder if there are any actual electricians out
> there..I could buy field plugs and make my own, but I don't want to fry my
> system or burn my boat down.
>  I do have a 125/250 female to 125 household male, which enables me to
> charge batteries in the winter.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada, Erie PA
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> Thanks for your help.
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Stus-List Re: Shore Power Adapters.

[Dave S via CnC-List]

The reason an adapter is not made from 30a to a lesser amperage is that this 
would be in violation of the electrical code (or codes and standards) as the 
20a rated device would be intended for use on a circuit protected by a 30a 
breaker.  Such a device would not receive csa or ul approval for this reason 
and would not be legal for sale in Canada or the USA. 
The adaptors you buy are typically the reverse - adapting a lower amperage 
circuit to your 30a power cable.  you could trip a breaker and be safe but not 
exceed the rates amperage of any device. 
Houses and marinas do have 250vac at the breaker panel.  The branch circuits 
are supplied with either 125 or 250 or both depending how they are wired to the 
panel.  
Dave 
33-2 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2023, at 5:10 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think I may have given away my 30 amp adapters with my last boat, but a 
> 125V 30 amp male to a 20 amp female household plug would have partially 
> solved my problem last weekend at a neighboring Club. Not ideal, I know, 
> nobody  likes household cords going to boats.  A  125V 30 amp Male to 
> 125/250V Female Pigtail would have been ideal , but maybe not - I see Marinco 
> does not sell such a plug, which leads me to believe that maybe there is a 
> reason they don't. Maybe it would be a  bad idea to bring two legs of the 
> same 125 Volts into a 250 volt system.  Seems like  like inbreeding. I know 
> enough about electricity to get me into trouble, but not sure about this one, 
> and wonder if there are any actual electricians out there..I could buy field 
> plugs and make my own, but I don't want to fry my system or burn my boat 
> down. 
>  I do have a 125/250 female to 125 household male, which enables me to charge 
> batteries in the winter. 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada, Erie PA
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Stus-List Re: Shore Power Adapters.

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

A  125V 30 amp Male to 125/250V Female Pigtail

This won't do what you think in North America, instead it will do
something dangerous in one way, and not do anything at all in another.

The 125V 30 amp Male plugs into the power source and will have three wires
in it, Black (Hot, providing 125 volts referenced to both neutral and to
Ground), White (Neutral, 0 volts referenced to ground) and Green (Ground).

The 125/250V Female Pigtail will have four wires, Black (Hot, providing 125
volts referenced to both neutral and to Ground), Red (also Hot, providing
125 volts referenced to both neutral and to Ground and 250 volts referenced
to the Black, but 180 degrees out of phase with the black, because it is
tapped off the opposite end of the transformer, with the neutral tapped at
the halfway point, halfway between red and black), White (Neutral, 0 volts
referenced to ground) and Green (Ground).

So look at the source, it only has 125 volts to start with so you aren't
going to get more than that.  If you connect the red and black in the
female, to the black in the male (i.e. bring two legs of the same 125 Volts
into a 250 volt system) you will get 0 volts in any 250 volt circuit on
your boat. The 110 volt circuits on your boat will generally do what you
expect, and deliver 110 volts.  Depending on exactly how your boat is
wired, you may end up with more current in some of the neutrals on your
boat that they are sized to carry, so may create a fire risk.

Ken Heaton
(An electrician in one of my other lives)



On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 at 20:19, Stu via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Check out an RV parts dealer.  They have all kinds of adapters.
>
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Stus-List Re: Shore Power Adapters.

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

There is no such thing. You cannot convert 120V to 240V (or 115V to 230V
 it is not 125 / 250) in a pigtail format. To get 240V out of 120V you
would have to use a step-up or isolation transformer. $500 to $1200+ for a
marine use model (and I expect a lot of them need much more than 30A). What
I described to you is exactly what you asked for, except of course the
'250' volt thing, which as I said does not exist.
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Stus-List Re: Bilge blower & pumps

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I have used SeaFlo FW pumps with good results for three years.

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From: Riley Anderson via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2023 5:01:58 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Riley Anderson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Bilge blower & pumps

I use SeaFlo for my fresh water pump and a large diaphragm bilge pump. Both are 
great and have withstood 3 years of full time cruising without a hiccup. If 
you're concerned about premature failure, buy two (one for a backup), still 
cheaper than mainstream brands. They are no worse than anything at the marine 
stores. Everything these days is Chinese junk and if you think you're getting 
around that by spending  on brand name marine brands, you're kidding 
yourself.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 2:23 PM Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I have a question for the group. Does anyone have experience with the Seaflo 
brand of bilge blowers or pumps? I need to replace a blower and add both. To my 
boats.

Douglas Mountjoy
1988 C LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA

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Stus-List Shore Power Adapters.

[Stu via CnC-List]

Check out an RV parts dealer.  They have all kinds of adapters.

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Stus-List Tiller Wobble Resolved

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I had a diver inspect my rudder.  He advised there was an extraordinary amount 
of marine life attached, including a multi arm starfish about the size of a 
garbage can lid.  I suspectcthis was the cause of my rudder wobble.  The diver 
will clean the rest of the hull tomorrow.  I hope to take a test run Sunday.

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Stus-List Re: Shore Power Adapters.

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Thanks Peter, but it was the 30 amp 125 volt male to a 125/250 female that
I was looking for.  I have a 125 /250 to a 15 amp for battery charging

Bill Coleman

On Fri, Jul 21, 2023, 17:59 Peter Fell via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Unless you're cruising in Europe or UK (or a few other countries) you're
> not bringing 120V together to 240V. NA electrical grid is 120V.
>
> And Marinco does make the 30amp male to 15amp female connector. They are
> also available from other companies as well for a lot less $. Search Amazon
> shore power pigtail ... make sure they are UL listed and make sure the 30
> amp connection is a L5-30P. Also it's 15 amp max. The 20 amp connection
> (5-20P) has the neutral rotated 90 degrees.
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Stus-List Re: Insurance

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

You guys are smarter than me, but I got a Progressive policy 15 years ago and 
the premium has dropped every year, I don't have a claim.  No surveys is my 
reason.  $40,000 value and $500 liabilty and the premium is now under $600.  
Not sure if they will ever react to a decent claim.  No idea.
 
BTW, I believe my boat is worth $55K based on the market but might sell for 
$35K.  Go figure.
 
Chuck S

> On 07/21/2023 6:00 PM EDT Neil Andersen via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> Amen!
>  
> Neil Andersen, W3NEA 
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
> 484-354-8800
> 
> -
> From: Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 4:15:59 PM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net ; wolf...@erie.net 
> 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance
>  
> 
> I don’t understand why Boat US first endorsed GEICO, then essentially 
> partnered with them (or are owned by them) given how GEICO treats Boat US 
> members with older boats.
> 
>  
> 
> From: John McCrea via CnC-List 
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 3:59 PM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks Bill. I had Gieco up until May. They fired all US agents and will only 
> go direct and when I tried they denied. They do not want boats older than 20 
> years now.
> 
>  
> 
> My agent, Gowrie in CT is one of the best and they found me a new similar 
> policy at progressive. For the same $$ as well.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 3:49 PM
> To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Stus-List Insurance
> 
>  
> 
> Just got this in a newsletter from the local broker, it does a little more 
> Plain 'Splainin on the subject of boat insurance.
> 
>  
> 
> << At the YBAAU, we had an excellent presentation by Bob Peck of Triton 
> Marine Insurance. If you currently own a boat, you almost certainly noticed a 
> sizable increase in your premium this year. That said, marine insurance is 
> not as expensive as most people expect it to be, but the rub is obtaining 
> coverage in the first place. The whole insurance industry took an 
> $118,000,000,000 loss due to Hurricane Ian, and this catastrophic loss had a 
> wide ranging impact across the industry. Four large companies failed, and 
> there are fewer markets for your agent to place your coverage with.
> 
> Four main areas the underwriters look for when a customer is looking for 
> insurance are location of use, age of vessel, owner experience, and the 
> “10-foot rule.”
> 
> * Florida has become a very difficult place to obtain coverage, and so has 
> the Caribbean. If you can get coverage at all you need a storm plan, along 
> with other stipulations.
> * The age of the vessel is also a key criterion, the older the boat the more 
> difficult it is to obtain insurance.
> * Owner experience was always an issue, but until recently it was rarely an 
> obstacle to coverage; it was more a pricing factor. Now brokers need to work 
> with their agents to develop a plan to cover new owners who have little to no 
> prior boating experience. A package containing training is usually required.
> * Finally the “10-foot rule” means the companies normally do not want an 
> owner to move to a larger boat that is more than 10 feet larger that the one 
> they currently own. A customer who currently has a 17-foot center console 
> runabout is unlikely to get coverage for a 40-foot boat for example. Often 
> they are requiring that a captain be aboard for a specified period of time 
> while the owners gain the requisite skill and experience.
> * Other problem insurance risks are liveaboards and houseboats. The larger 
> and more expensive the boat, the more these rules come into play.
> * Here at RCR we have been fortunate, through long-established relationships 
> with marine insurance specialists, to get our customers covered but it has 
> not always been quick and easy. Our suggestion is that if you presently have 
> coverage, don’t think of moving to another carrier to save a few bucks, be 
> satisfied that you have a policy.
> 
> << 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Insurance

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Amen!

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

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Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 4:15:59 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net ; wolf...@erie.net 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance


I don’t understand why Boat US first endorsed GEICO, then essentially partnered 
with them (or are owned by them) given how GEICO treats Boat US members with 
older boats.



From: John McCrea via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 3:59 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance



Thanks Bill. I had Gieco up until May. They fired all US agents and will only 
go direct and when I tried they denied. They do not want boats older than 20 
years now.



My agent, Gowrie in CT is one of the best and they found me a new similar 
policy at progressive. For the same $$ as well.



From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 3:49 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Insurance



Just got this in a newsletter from the local broker, it does a little more 
Plain 'Splainin on the subject of boat insurance.



<< At the YBAAU, we had an excellent presentation by Bob Peck of Triton Marine 
Insurance. If you currently own a boat, you almost certainly noticed a sizable 
increase in your premium this year. That said, marine insurance is not as 
expensive as most people expect it to be, but the rub is obtaining coverage in 
the first place. The whole insurance industry took an $118,000,000,000 loss due 
to Hurricane Ian, and this catastrophic loss had a wide ranging impact across 
the industry. Four large companies failed, and there are fewer markets for your 
agent to place your coverage with.

Four main areas the underwriters look for when a customer is looking for 
insurance are location of use, age of vessel, owner experience, and the 
“10-foot rule.”

  *   Florida has become a very difficult place to obtain coverage, and so has 
the Caribbean. If you can get coverage at all you need a storm plan, along with 
other stipulations.
  *   The age of the vessel is also a key criterion, the older the boat the 
more difficult it is to obtain insurance.
  *   Owner experience was always an issue, but until recently it was rarely an 
obstacle to coverage; it was more a pricing factor. Now brokers need to work 
with their agents to develop a plan to cover new owners who have little to no 
prior boating experience. A package containing training is usually required.
  *   Finally the “10-foot rule” means the companies normally do not want an 
owner to move to a larger boat that is more than 10 feet larger that the one 
they currently own. A customer who currently has a 17-foot center console 
runabout is unlikely to get coverage for a 40-foot boat for example. Often they 
are requiring that a captain be aboard for a specified period of time while the 
owners gain the requisite skill and experience.
  *   Other problem insurance risks are liveaboards and houseboats. The larger 
and more expensive the boat, the more these rules come into play.
  *   Here at RCR we have been fortunate, through long-established 
relationships with marine insurance specialists, to get our customers covered 
but it has not always been quick and easy. Our suggestion is that if you 
presently have coverage, don’t think of moving to another carrier to save a few 
bucks, be satisfied that you have a policy.

<<
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Stus-List Re: Shore Power Adapters.

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

Unless you're cruising in Europe or UK (or a few other countries) you're
not bringing 120V together to 240V. NA electrical grid is 120V.

And Marinco does make the 30amp male to 15amp female connector. They are
also available from other companies as well for a lot less $. Search Amazon
shore power pigtail ... make sure they are UL listed and make sure the 30
amp connection is a L5-30P. Also it's 15 amp max. The 20 amp connection
(5-20P) has the neutral rotated 90 degrees.
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Stus-List Re: Shore Power Adapters.

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

I’ve seen such a pigtail in use.  Not sure if it was Marinco.

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 5:10 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Shore Power Adapters.

 

I think I may have given away my 30 amp adapters with my last boat, but a 125V 
30 amp male to a 20 amp female household plug would have partially solved my 
problem last weekend at a neighboring Club. Not ideal, I know, nobody  likes 
household cords going to boats.  A  125V 30 amp Male to 125/250V Female Pigtail 
would have been ideal , but maybe not - I see Marinco does not sell such a 
plug, which leads me to believe that maybe there is a reason they don't. Maybe 
it would be a  bad idea to bring two legs of the same 125 Volts into a 250 volt 
system.  Seems like  like inbreeding. I know enough about electricity to get me 
into trouble, but not sure about this one, and wonder if there are any actual 
electricians out there..I could buy field plugs and make my own, but I don't 
want to fry my system or burn my boat down. 

 I do have a 125/250 female to 125 household male, which enables me to charge 
batteries in the winter. 

 

Thanks,

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie PA

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Stus-List Shore Power Adapters.

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I think I may have given away my 30 amp adapters with my last boat, but a
125V 30 amp male to a 20 amp female household plug would have partially
solved my problem last weekend at a neighboring Club. Not ideal, I know,
nobody  likes household cords going to boats.  A  125V 30 amp Male to
125/250V Female Pigtail would have been ideal , but maybe not - I see
Marinco does not sell such a plug, which leads me to believe that maybe
there is a reason they don't. Maybe it would be a  bad idea to bring two
legs of the same 125 Volts into a 250 volt system.  Seems like  like
inbreeding. I know enough about electricity to get me into trouble, but not
sure about this one, and wonder if there are any actual electricians out
there..I could buy field plugs and make my own, but I don't want to fry my
system or burn my boat down.
 I do have a 125/250 female to 125 household male, which enables me to
charge batteries in the winter.

Thanks,

Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA
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Stus-List Re: Insurance

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

I don’t understand why Boat US first endorsed GEICO, then essentially partnered 
with them (or are owned by them) given how GEICO treats Boat US members with 
older boats.

 

From: John McCrea via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 3:59 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: johnmcc...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: Insurance

 

Thanks Bill. I had Gieco up until May. They fired all US agents and will only 
go direct and when I tried they denied. They do not want boats older than 20 
years now. 

 

My agent, Gowrie in CT is one of the best and they found me a new similar 
policy at progressive. For the same $$ as well. 

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 3:49 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Insurance

 

Just got this in a newsletter from the local broker, it does a little more 
Plain 'Splainin on the subject of boat insurance.

 

<< At the YBAAU, we had an excellent presentation by Bob Peck of Triton Marine 
Insurance. If you currently own a boat, you almost certainly noticed a sizable 
increase in your premium this year. That said, marine insurance is not as 
expensive as most people expect it to be, but the rub is obtaining coverage in 
the first place. The whole insurance industry took an $118,000,000,000 loss due 
to Hurricane Ian, and this catastrophic loss had a wide ranging impact across 
the industry. Four large companies failed, and there are fewer markets for your 
agent to place your coverage with.

Four main areas the underwriters look for when a customer is looking for 
insurance are location of use, age of vessel, owner experience, and the 
“10-foot rule.”

*   Florida has become a very difficult place to obtain coverage, and so 
has the Caribbean. If you can get coverage at all you need a storm plan, along 
with other stipulations. 
*   The age of the vessel is also a key criterion, the older the boat the 
more difficult it is to obtain insurance. 
*   Owner experience was always an issue, but until recently it was rarely 
an obstacle to coverage; it was more a pricing factor. Now brokers need to work 
with their agents to develop a plan to cover new owners who have little to no 
prior boating experience. A package containing training is usually required. 
*   Finally the “10-foot rule” means the companies normally do not want an 
owner to move to a larger boat that is more than 10 feet larger that the one 
they currently own. A customer who currently has a 17-foot center console 
runabout is unlikely to get coverage for a 40-foot boat for example. Often they 
are requiring that a captain be aboard for a specified period of time while the 
owners gain the requisite skill and experience. 
*   Other problem insurance risks are liveaboards and houseboats. The 
larger and more expensive the boat, the more these rules come into play.
*   Here at RCR we have been fortunate, through long-established 
relationships with marine insurance specialists, to get our customers covered 
but it has not always been quick and easy. Our suggestion is that if you 
presently have coverage, don’t think of moving to another carrier to save a few 
bucks, be satisfied that you have a policy. 

<< 

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Stus-List Re: Insurance

[John McCrea via CnC-List]

Thanks Bill. I had Gieco up until May. They fired all US agents and will only 
go direct and when I tried they denied. They do not want boats older than 20 
years now. 

 

My agent, Gowrie in CT is one of the best and they found me a new similar 
policy at progressive. For the same $$ as well. 

 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 3:49 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Insurance

 

Just got this in a newsletter from the local broker, it does a little more 
Plain 'Splainin on the subject of boat insurance.

 

<< At the YBAAU, we had an excellent presentation by Bob Peck of Triton Marine 
Insurance. If you currently own a boat, you almost certainly noticed a sizable 
increase in your premium this year. That said, marine insurance is not as 
expensive as most people expect it to be, but the rub is obtaining coverage in 
the first place. The whole insurance industry took an $118,000,000,000 loss due 
to Hurricane Ian, and this catastrophic loss had a wide ranging impact across 
the industry. Four large companies failed, and there are fewer markets for your 
agent to place your coverage with.

Four main areas the underwriters look for when a customer is looking for 
insurance are location of use, age of vessel, owner experience, and the 
“10-foot rule.”

*   Florida has become a very difficult place to obtain coverage, and so 
has the Caribbean. If you can get coverage at all you need a storm plan, along 
with other stipulations. 
*   The age of the vessel is also a key criterion, the older the boat the 
more difficult it is to obtain insurance. 
*   Owner experience was always an issue, but until recently it was rarely 
an obstacle to coverage; it was more a pricing factor. Now brokers need to work 
with their agents to develop a plan to cover new owners who have little to no 
prior boating experience. A package containing training is usually required. 
*   Finally the “10-foot rule” means the companies normally do not want an 
owner to move to a larger boat that is more than 10 feet larger that the one 
they currently own. A customer who currently has a 17-foot center console 
runabout is unlikely to get coverage for a 40-foot boat for example. Often they 
are requiring that a captain be aboard for a specified period of time while the 
owners gain the requisite skill and experience. 
*   Other problem insurance risks are liveaboards and houseboats. The 
larger and more expensive the boat, the more these rules come into play.
*   Here at RCR we have been fortunate, through long-established 
relationships with marine insurance specialists, to get our customers covered 
but it has not always been quick and easy. Our suggestion is that if you 
presently have coverage, don’t think of moving to another carrier to save a few 
bucks, be satisfied that you have a policy. 

<< 

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Stus-List Insurance

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Just got this in a newsletter from the local broker, it does a little more
Plain 'Splainin on the subject of boat insurance.

<< At the YBAAU, we had an excellent presentation by Bob Peck of Triton
Marine Insurance. If you currently own a boat, you almost certainly noticed
a sizable increase in your premium this year. That said, marine insurance
is not as expensive as most people expect it to be, but the rub is
obtaining coverage in the first place. The whole insurance industry took an
$118,000,000,000 loss due to Hurricane Ian, and this catastrophic loss had
a wide ranging impact across the industry. Four large companies failed, and
there are fewer markets for your agent to place your coverage with.

Four main areas the underwriters look for when a customer is looking for
insurance are location of use, age of vessel, owner experience, and the
“10-foot rule.”

   -

   Florida has become a very difficult place to obtain coverage, and so has
   the Caribbean. If you can get coverage at all you need a storm plan, along
   with other stipulations.
   -

   The age of the vessel is also a key criterion, the older the boat the
   more difficult it is to obtain insurance.
   -

   Owner experience was always an issue, but until recently it was rarely
   an obstacle to coverage; it was more a pricing factor. Now brokers need to
   work with their agents to develop a plan to cover new owners who have
   little to no prior boating experience. A package containing training is
   usually required.
   -

   Finally the “10-foot rule” means the companies normally do not want an
   owner to move to a larger boat that is more than 10 feet larger that the
   one they currently own. A customer who currently has a 17-foot center
   console runabout is unlikely to get coverage for a 40-foot boat for
   example. Often they are requiring that a captain be aboard for a specified
   period of time while the owners gain the requisite skill and experience.
   -

   Other problem insurance risks are liveaboards and houseboats. The larger
   and more expensive the boat, the more these rules come into play.
   -

   Here at RCR we have been fortunate, through long-established
   relationships with marine insurance specialists, to get our customers
   covered but it has not always been quick and easy. Our suggestion is that
   if you presently have coverage, don’t think of moving to another carrier to
   save a few bucks, be satisfied that you have a policy.

<<
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