Stus-List Re: Sizing an inverter

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Touche' has a 1000 watt inverter.  I don't run any sensitive electronics
from it, just the coffee maker and the Admiral's low wattage travel hair
dryer.

The unique thing about Touche's inverter system is that it can power all
the 120 AC receptacles throughout the boat.  I have a rotary isolator
switch which switches the receptacles from shore power to inverter power
while still routing the power through the boat's AC panel.  That is, all
the breakers on the AC panel except the AC receptacles' breaker are shore
power only and the receptacles' breaker is switchable between shore power
and the inverter.  Took some creative configuration behind the panel to do
that.

Inverters can require a tremendous DC current.  Be sure to properly size
the cables from the batteries.  Be sure to install an appropriately sized
breaker.  Typically, a 1000 watt inverter needs a 175 amp breaker and
perhaps a 2/0 cable depending on TOTAL cable run (there AND back).

Touche's house bank is two Delco Voyager Series 29's. Reserve capacity: 210
each
--
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 3:03 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> OK, an DC/AC Pure Sine Wave inverter looks attractive
>
> I've heard some boats have 1000 watt, some 2000watt and some 3000 or more.
> What size inverter is right for a boat equipped with two 100Ah AGM
> batteries?
> One battery provides 12v x 100ah: 1200watts.  My system can provide 2400
> watts but I usually reserve one battery to restart the engine and run on
> the other battery.  Does the inverter get fed from a bus common to both
> batteries, or to the selector switch marked, "Off, 1, both, 2"?
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck S
>
>
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Stus-List Re: best coffee making setup on a boat

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

https://aeropress.com/

I have 2.  Use the gas stove to make hot water in a teapot.  It is similar to a 
French Press but the coffee is smoother and there are no fines in the bottom of 
the cup.  It makes expresso shots which I just top up with water.  Brew takes 
less than 30 seconds and clean up involves pushing the puck of grounds out the 
base and wiping it all clean.  Don't bother wiping if you're just going in for 
a reload.  It is all plastic and rubber so it is virtually indestructible.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

Oct 17, 2023 16:38:56 CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List :

> I appreciate all the responses but it might be better to capture your great 
> coffee making ideas under a proper subject title so future coffee nerds can 
> find them. 
>  
> Chuck S
>> On 10/17/2023 4:34 PM EDT Rick Brass via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Another caffeine addict/coffee snob here who uses a french press on the 
>> boat. (I dropped and broke the one from home during a boat delivery this 
>> spring.) I also have a high quality hand grinder from Japan on the boat, so 
>> no electricity required. (I do have a Krupps grinder plugged in here at 
>> home.) I got the impression when shopping for the coffee grinder that the 
>> Japanese seem to be a nation of coffee snobs.
>>  
>> 
>> Rick Brass
>> Imzadi
>> C 38 mk2
>> Washington, NC
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Stus-List 
>> Sent: Oct 17, 2023 9:54 AM
>> To: Stus-List 
>> Cc: j...@dellabarba.com , Korbey Hunt 
>> 
>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I am also a coffee snob from Seattle.  500 watts of electricity is needed 
>> for coffee grinder.
>>  
>> Get Outlook for Android[https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg]
>> 
>> *From:* Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 17, 2023 6:48:16 AM
>> *To:* 'Stus-List' 
>> *Cc:* j...@dellabarba.com 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system
>>  
>> 
>> Its French Press for us, no electricity needed.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> Coquina
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> *From:* David Knecht via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 17, 2023 9:18 AM
>> *To:* CnC CnC discussion list 
>> *Cc:* David Knecht 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> And then of course there are the French Press or Pour Over devices that use 
>> hot water from the stove, no electric power, and make a much superior cup of 
>> coffee (yes, I am a coffee snob).  Dave
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> S/V Aries
>> 
>> 1990 C 34+
>> 
>> New London, CT
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
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Stus-List Re: Sizing an inverter

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Inverters are sized to the expected loads.

Batteries are sized to how long you want to run those loads.

Example: My wife’s hair dryer on 500 watts is drawing about 50 amps. If she ran 
it for an hour that would be 50 amp/hours, which would be all you can use out 
of a 100AH battery. Thanks to Peukert’s equation, with lead acid batteries it 
is a little worse than that. (heavy loads draw them down faster than the 
formula, light loads a little less than the formula)

As for the switches, I don’t know how your boat is wired. My inverter runs off 
the house bank with its own switch.

BTW – your math is a bit off. A 100 amp hour battery can probably supply around 
500 amps or more, which is 6,000 watts. It can’t do it for very long though, 
but long enough to start an engine. Amps, amp-hours, watt-hours, and so on can 
get confusing.

I’ll post how to figure this out when I get a chance.

Joe

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 4:03 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Sizing an inverter

 

OK, an DC/AC Pure Sine Wave inverter looks attractive  

  

I've heard some boats have 1000 watt, some 2000watt and some 3000 or more. 

What size inverter is right for a boat equipped with two 100Ah AGM batteries?  

One battery provides 12v x 100ah: 1200watts.  My system can provide 2400 watts 
but I usually reserve one battery to restart the engine and run on the other 
battery.  Does the inverter get fed from a bus common to both batteries, or to 
the selector switch marked, "Off, 1, both, 2"? 

  

Thanks, 

Chuck S   

  

  

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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

FYI

Two of these at my local Worst Marine marked down 75% (about $120)

https://naturepowerproducts.com/products/500-watt-puresine-solar-power-gernerator/

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List best coffee making setup on a boat

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

I appreciate all the responses but it might be better to capture your great 
coffee making ideas under a proper subject title so future coffee nerds can 
find them. 
 
Chuck S

> On 10/17/2023 4:34 PM EDT Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> Another caffeine addict/coffee snob here who uses a french press on the boat. 
> (I dropped and broke the one from home during a boat delivery this spring.) I 
> also have a high quality hand grinder from Japan on the boat, so no 
> electricity required. (I do have a Krupps grinder plugged in here at home.) I 
> got the impression when shopping for the coffee grinder that the Japanese 
> seem to be a nation of coffee snobs.
> 
>  
> 
> Rick Brass
> 
> Imzadi
> 
> C 38 mk2
> 
> Washington, NC
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Stus-List 
> Sent: Oct 17, 2023 9:54 AM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: j...@dellabarba.com , Korbey Hunt 
> 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system
> 
>  
> 
> I am also a coffee snob from Seattle.  500 watts of electricity is needed for 
> coffee grinder.
>  
> Get Outlook for Android https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg
> 
> -
> From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 6:48:16 AM
> To: 'Stus-List' 
> Cc: j...@dellabarba.com 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system
>  
> 
> Its French Press for us, no electricity needed.
> 
> Joe
> 
> Coquina
> 
>  
> 
> From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 9:18 AM
> To: CnC CnC discussion list 
> Cc: David Knecht 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system
> 
>  
> 
> And then of course there are the French Press or Pour Over devices that use 
> hot water from the stove, no electric power, and make a much superior cup of 
> coffee (yes, I am a coffee snob).  Dave
> 
>  
> 
> S/V Aries
> 
> 1990 C 34+
> 
> New London, CT
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Another caffeine addict/coffee snob here who uses a french press on the boat. 
(I dropped and broke the one from home during a boat delivery this spring.) I 
also have a high quality hand grinder from Japan on the boat, so no electricity 
required. (I do have a Krupps grinder plugged in here at home.) I got the 
impression when shopping for the coffee grinder that the Japanese seem to be a 
nation of coffee snobs.

Rick Brass
Imzadi
CC 38 mk2
Washington, NC
-Original Message-
From: Stus-List 
Sent: Oct 17, 2023 9:54 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com , Korbey Hunt 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

I am also a coffee snob from Seattle.  500 watts of electricity is needed for 
coffee grinder. 
Get  Outlook for Android (https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg)
From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 6:48:16 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system 

Its French Press for us, no electricity needed.
Joe
Coquina

From: David Knecht via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 9:18 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system



And then of course there are the French Press or Pour Over devices that use hot 
water from the stove, no electric power, and make a much superior cup of coffee 
(yes, I am a coffee snob).  Dave

S/V Aries

1990 CC 34+

New London, CT

 








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Stus-List Sizing an inverter

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

OK, an DC/AC Pure Sine Wave inverter looks attractive 
 
I've heard some boats have 1000 watt, some 2000watt and some 3000 or more.
What size inverter is right for a boat equipped with two 100Ah AGM batteries? 
One battery provides 12v x 100ah: 1200watts.  My system can provide 2400 watts 
but I usually reserve one battery to restart the engine and run on the other 
battery.  Does the inverter get fed from a bus common to both batteries, or to 
the selector switch marked, "Off, 1, both, 2"?
 
Thanks,
Chuck S  
 
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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I believe this,
My Microwave went this summer with a big bang. I can't remember if it was
at the dock or on the Inverter, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if
shitty AC could have degraded it.
It was a pretty nice one too. My next Inverter/Charger will be true Sine
Wave.

Bill Coleman

On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 1:35 PM Neil Andersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> If you are looking at inverters, keep in mind that wattage isn’t all there
> is to an inverter.  Consider what you are plugging in.  Coffee makers and
> toasters are not particular about the quality of the output.  Computers and
> other devices are.  The need a true sine wave, versus a modified sine
> wave.  An Inverter with true sine wave are more expensive, but will save
> your other electronics in the long term.
>
> Neil Andersen, W3NEA
> Former C 32 owner
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
> 484-354-8800
> --
>
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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Thanks Neil and Joe.  Much to consider.  I like the invertor with auto switch 
built in.
 
You are right Joe.  I setup my boat as a man-cave at the dock, and racer away 
from the dock. 
 
I installed a 120V system with breaker panel and all circuits on Shorepower 
only.  I figured I didn't want to add enough batteries to power the AC, so kept 
it shorepower only.  The loads are 16000 Btu AC, Battery charger, and two 
receptacle circuits with TV, refrigerator, laptops,  and boom box and cell 
charging stations.  During the hot Chesapeake summer, It is very comfortable at 
the dock or in a marina slip.   I usually drive down, start the AC, go out for 
dinner and the cabin is cooled down enough to get a good night's sleep.
 
I have two) ten year old 100Ah AGMS.   They will need to be replaced soon.  
 
I think September and October are the best sailing months as the days aren't so 
hot and the nights aren't too cool.  We recently anchored out a few nights, 
enjoying the cooler weather and I worried about battery management and 
restarting the engine the next day.  I do have a jump start on board as a 
backup, but haven't tried it.  I'd like to add solar as another power source 
and the Jackery is plug and play and includes a 2000 Ah battery, and two 
briefcase style solar panels and is portable so can be used at home also.
 
Thanks for the inverter suggestion.  I'll have to look at the ventilation 
requirements.
 
Thanks,
Chuck
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

> On 10/17/2023 1:38 PM EDT Neil Andersen via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> I bought a 2000 watt pure sine wave:
>  
> https://www.westmarine.com/promariner-truepower-plus-series-inverter-2000ps-19125384.html
>  
> Neil Andersen, W3NEA 
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
> 484-354-8800
> 
> -
> From: Neil Andersen 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 1:35:27 PM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: j...@dellabarba.com 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system
>  
>  
> If you are looking at inverters, keep in mind that wattage isn’t all there is 
> to an inverter.  Consider what you are plugging in.  Coffee makers and 
> toasters are not particular about the quality of the output.  Computers and 
> other devices are.  The need a true sine wave, versus a modified sine wave.  
> An Inverter with true sine wave are more expensive, but will save your other 
> electronics in the long term. 
>  
> Neil Andersen, W3NEA
> Former C 32 owner
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
> 484-354-8800
> 
> -
>  
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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

The one I linked to is pure sine wave.

The one I have is not pure sine, they were quite expensive back then. Even
odder is it shows 60 volts hot to ground and 60 volts neutral to ground. It
has never caused an issue but for one thing - one computer power supply I
have won't work with it. The GFIs still work as designed. One day I'll swap
to pure sign just for the RFI reduction, the more normal grounding will be a
bonus.

Also note you aren't talking on the SSB with a square-wave inverter running!

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Neil Andersen  
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 1:35 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

 

If you are looking at inverters, keep in mind that wattage isn't all there
is to an inverter.  Consider what you are plugging in.  Coffee makers and
toasters are not particular about the quality of the output.  Computers and
other devices are.  The need a true sine wave, versus a modified sine wave.
An Inverter with true sine wave are more expensive, but will save your other
electronics in the long term. 

 

Neil Andersen, W3NEA

Former C 32 owner

Rock Hall, MD 21661

484-354-8800

  _  

 

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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

I bought a 2000 watt pure sine wave:

https://www.westmarine.com/promariner-truepower-plus-series-inverter-2000ps-19125384.html

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Neil Andersen 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 1:35:27 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

If you are looking at inverters, keep in mind that wattage isn’t all there is 
to an inverter.  Consider what you are plugging in.  Coffee makers and toasters 
are not particular about the quality of the output.  Computers and other 
devices are.  The need a true sine wave, versus a modified sine wave.  An 
Inverter with true sine wave are more expensive, but will save your other 
electronics in the long term.

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Former C 32 owner
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800


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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

If you are looking at inverters, keep in mind that wattage isn’t all there is 
to an inverter.  Consider what you are plugging in.  Coffee makers and toasters 
are not particular about the quality of the output.  Computers and other 
devices are.  The need a true sine wave, versus a modified sine wave.  An 
Inverter with true sine wave are more expensive, but will save your other 
electronics in the long term.

Neil Andersen, W3NEA
Former C 32 owner
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800


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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Can we back up a bit?

Do you right now have a TV that you can only use on shore power?

Maybe all you need is an inverter, they don’t cost too much. I have had a 300 
watt inverter for ages and added a 1,000 watt inverter for bigger tools and the 
admiral’s hair dryer. The smaller one is better for charging computers, the 
coffee grinder, and so on. It draws about half what the big one draws at 
standby and is silent, the bigger one has a fan.

I use this transfer switch:

https://www.westmarine.com/kisae-technology-ac-transfer-switch-20a-14159982.html

 

This is the closest equivalent to the inverter I have, mine is no longer sold.

https://www.westmarine.com/kisae-technology-true-1000-pure-sine-wave-inverter-14159933.html

 

--- >Shore Power >AC panel> 15 amp breaker>auto transfer switch>outlets.  I 
have to physically plug and unplug to swap inverters plus the 300 watt unit has 
a dedicated outlet at the chart table.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system - now coffee makers

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I have a Vintage Melitta percolator.  Uses 900watts.  Just under my 1000
watt inverter rating.  I have resuscitated it several times.

I like it because the pot lifts off the base.  Easy to carry it out of the
galley to pour.

Elite Gourmet makes a similar lift off pot coffee maker that's rated at 800
watts.
-- 
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Jeff Nelson via CnC-List]

Mine:
https://www.wayfair.ca/dining/pdp/corona-cast-iron-corn-wheat-and-grain-mill-with-high-hopper-manual-grain-grinder-grain-mill-dvqu1010.html

I didn't get it from wayfair...but have had it for a few decades. Makes 
short work of coffee beans in the am.


Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C 30 - 549
  Armdale Y.C.

On 2023-10-17 10:58, Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List wrote:

Hand grinder for me.
https://www.amazon.com/QIYUEXES-Manual-Grinder-Ceramic-Espresso/dp/B0BPLKP4PF/ref=mp_s_a_1_16_maf_1?crid=UN7K7U7GNCB2=coffee+grinder=1697551008=coffee+%2Caps%2C183=8-16 


Consistent grind every time.

Douglas Mountjoy
1988 C LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA

On Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 06:54 Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
 wrote:


I am also a coffee snob from Seattle.  500 watts of electricity is
needed for coffee grinder.

Get Outlook for Android 

*From:* Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 17, 2023 6:48:16 AM
*To:* 'Stus-List' 
*Cc:* j...@dellabarba.com 
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

Its French Press for us, no electricity needed.

Joe

Coquina

*From:* David Knecht via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 17, 2023 9:18 AM
*To:* CnC CnC discussion list 
*Cc:* David Knecht 
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

And then of course there are the French Press or Pour Over devices
that use hot water from the stove, no electric power, and make a
much superior cup of coffee (yes, I am a coffee snob).  Dave

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT

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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Jeff Nelson via CnC-List]

I'm a traditionalist, I hand grind the coffee... :-)  That said, you 
would think that dewalt or Milwaukee would have

made a coffee grinder that fits their tool batteries...

Cheers,
  Jeff Nelson
  Muir Caileag
  C 30 - 549
  Armdale Y.C.

On 2023-10-17 10:54, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List wrote:
I am also a coffee snob from Seattle.  500 watts of electricity is 
needed for coffee grinder.


Get Outlook for Android 

*From:* Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 17, 2023 6:48:16 AM
*To:* 'Stus-List' 
*Cc:* j...@dellabarba.com 
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

Its French Press for us, no electricity needed.

Joe

Coquina

*From:* David Knecht via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 17, 2023 9:18 AM
*To:* CnC CnC discussion list 
*Cc:* David Knecht 
*Subject:* Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

And then of course there are the French Press or Pour Over devices 
that use hot water from the stove, no electric power, and make a much 
superior cup of coffee (yes, I am a coffee snob).  Dave


S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT


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[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Watt-hours is amp-hours X volts. My house battery is 180 amp hours and 12 
volts, so it is 2,160 watt-hours. Practically using more than about 1100 of 
that at once is very hard on the battery. A lithium battery can do 80% cycles 
no problem, so that would give you an effective 1700 or so watt-hours from the 
same size battery.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 8:36 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

 

And almost every coffee pot and definitely every Keurig use at least 1400 watts 
and up to 1600 for Keurig.  If anyone is interested at all in that I did find a 
single cup coffee maker that uses Keurig pods and consumes only 800 watts (I 
was dumb enough to buy a 1200 watt inverter/generator for the RV)

 

We have recently acquired a Bluetti AC200Max which has a 30 AMP outlet as well 
as 4 20amp outlets.  It provides 2100 watt hours (whatever those are).  We can 
plug the RV in to it and it powers everything.  It is even able to power the 
Air conditioner but only for short periods. During Hurricane Lee we plugged our 
house into it (6 circuit generator panel) and had lights, refrigerator, 
internet etc for the late evening and overnight

 

Mike Hoyt

Persistence

Halifax, NS

 

 

 

 

 

From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 9:19 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com  ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> >; Korbey Hunt 
mailto:kampf2...@hotmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

 

A decent microwave will require a 2,000 watt inverter. Get Outlook for Android 
From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  Sent: Monday, 
October 16, 2023 2: 19: 04 PM To: Stus-List  Cc: joe@ 
dellabarba. com 

 

A decent microwave will require a 2,000 watt inverter. 

 

Get Outlook for Android 

 

  _  

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Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system 

 

I appreciate the feedback. 

  

We still enjoy TV at the dock and it's built in DVD player allows us to borrow 
movies from the library or rewatch old favorites like Hornblower, Wackiest Ship 
in the Army, Houseboat, Two For the Road, Wind, etc. 

  

The attraction of the Jackery is portability and it plugs right into my shore 
power inlet so all the 120v outlets can be powered.  It's easily removed from 
the boat and could backup my house during hurricane season, or taken camping.  

  

If you price out a 2000 watt invertor and batteries for it and 400 watt solar 
panels and a battery monitoring system, I would think it would get more 
expensive and more labor intensive, wiring all that together.  I would prefer a 
stand alone system that can be used when needed, and not something permanently 
mounted.  $1700 may seem like a lot of money, but the system would allow me to 
run a microwave or a hair dryer and provides another way to charge batteries 
when on the hook.  It would be removed from the boat for racing, removing all 
that weight.

  

I haven't bought one yet.   I'm still considering options. 

  

Chuck S 

  

   

On 10/16/2023 4:04 PM EDT Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

  

  

We watch TV on the laptop, or if I somehow forget to bring it then the iPad 
from the chart table. I cannot recall using a physical DVD in years, but my 
laptop can play them if needed.

As far an actual TV goes, there are two issues:

1.  Powering it. Inverters are not all that expensive.
2.  Storing power – I would add batteries for the whole boat instead of 
just for a TV.

 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

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Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 3:41 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

 

There are, out there, 12 V TVs. They might be more expensive than the normal 
(120 V) ones, but not $1000 more expensive. Also, do you need a TV or just a 
screen (monitor)? They are even easier to get in 12 V version.

 

Marek

 

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Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 9:07 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

 

I have a 

Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

Hand grinder for me.
https://www.amazon.com/QIYUEXES-Manual-Grinder-Ceramic-Espresso/dp/B0BPLKP4PF/ref=mp_s_a_1_16_maf_1?crid=UN7K7U7GNCB2=coffee+grinder=1697551008=coffee+%2Caps%2C183=8-16
Consistent grind every time.

Douglas Mountjoy
1988 C LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA


On Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 06:54 Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I am also a coffee snob from Seattle.  500 watts of electricity is needed
> for coffee grinder.
>
> Get Outlook for Android 
> --
> *From:* Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 17, 2023 6:48:16 AM
> *To:* 'Stus-List' 
> *Cc:* j...@dellabarba.com 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system
>
>
> Its French Press for us, no electricity needed.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* David Knecht via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 17, 2023 9:18 AM
> *To:* CnC CnC discussion list 
> *Cc:* David Knecht 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system
>
>
>
> And then of course there are the French Press or Pour Over devices that
> use hot water from the stove, no electric power, and make a much superior
> cup of coffee (yes, I am a coffee snob).  Dave
>
>
>
> S/V Aries
>
> 1990 C 34+
>
> New London, CT
>
>
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> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

Stove top perculator for me. With a filter, very little water needed to
clean.

Douglas Mountjoy
1988 C LF 39
Mexico at large
1984 Sabre 34
Port Orchard, WA


On Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 06:48 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Its French Press for us, no electricity needed.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* David Knecht via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 17, 2023 9:18 AM
> *To:* CnC CnC discussion list 
> *Cc:* David Knecht 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system
>
>
>
> And then of course there are the French Press or Pour Over devices that
> use hot water from the stove, no electric power, and make a much superior
> cup of coffee (yes, I am a coffee snob).  Dave
>
>
>
> S/V Aries
>
> 1990 C 34+
>
> New London, CT
>
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

I am also a coffee snob from Seattle.  500 watts of electricity is needed for 
coffee grinder.

Get Outlook for Android

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 6:48:16 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system


Its French Press for us, no electricity needed.

Joe

Coquina



From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 9:18 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system



And then of course there are the French Press or Pour Over devices that use hot 
water from the stove, no electric power, and make a much superior cup of coffee 
(yes, I am a coffee snob).  Dave



S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT


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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

And percolators (my fave) or stove top espresso makers, both make excellent 
coffee.

Get Outlook for Android

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 6:48:16 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system


Its French Press for us, no electricity needed.

Joe

Coquina



From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 9:18 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system



And then of course there are the French Press or Pour Over devices that use hot 
water from the stove, no electric power, and make a much superior cup of coffee 
(yes, I am a coffee snob).  Dave



S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT


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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Its French Press for us, no electricity needed.

Joe 

Coquina

 

From: David Knecht via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 9:18 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

 

And then of course there are the French Press or Pour Over devices that use
hot water from the stove, no electric power, and make a much superior cup of
coffee (yes, I am a coffee snob).  Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT

 

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[David Knecht via CnC-List]

And then of course there are the French Press or Pour Over devices that use hot 
water from the stove, no electric power, and make a much superior cup of coffee 
(yes, I am a coffee snob).  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT


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[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

And almost every coffee pot and definitely every Keurig use at least 1400 watts 
and up to 1600 for Keurig.  If anyone is interested at all in that I did find a 
single cup coffee maker that uses Keurig pods and consumes only 800 watts (I 
was dumb enough to buy a 1200 watt inverter/generator for the RV)

We have recently acquired a Bluetti AC200Max which has a 30 AMP outlet as well 
as 4 20amp outlets.  It provides 2100 watt hours (whatever those are).  We can 
plug the RV in to it and it powers everything.  It is even able to power the 
Air conditioner but only for short periods. During Hurricane Lee we plugged our 
house into it (6 circuit generator panel) and had lights, refrigerator, 
internet etc for the late evening and overnight

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS





From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 9:19 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; CHARLES SCHEAFFER ; Korbey 
Hunt 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

A decent microwave will require a 2,000 watt inverter. Get Outlook for Android 
From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  Sent: Monday, 
October 16, 2023 2: 19: 04 PM To: Stus-List  Cc: joe@ 
dellabarba. com

A decent microwave will require a 2,000 watt inverter.

Get Outlook for 
Android

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 2:19:04 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

I appreciate the feedback.

We still enjoy TV at the dock and it's built in DVD player allows us to borrow 
movies from the library or rewatch old favorites like Hornblower, Wackiest Ship 
in the Army, Houseboat, Two For the Road, Wind, etc.

The attraction of the Jackery is portability and it plugs right into my shore 
power inlet so all the 120v outlets can be powered.  It's easily removed from 
the boat and could backup my house during hurricane season, or taken camping.

If you price out a 2000 watt invertor and batteries for it and 400 watt solar 
panels and a battery monitoring system, I would think it would get more 
expensive and more labor intensive, wiring all that together.  I would prefer a 
stand alone system that can be used when needed, and not something permanently 
mounted.  $1700 may seem like a lot of money, but the system would allow me to 
run a microwave or a hair dryer and provides another way to charge batteries 
when on the hook.  It would be removed from the boat for racing, removing all 
that weight.

I haven't bought one yet.   I'm still considering options.

Chuck S


On 10/16/2023 4:04 PM EDT Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  
wrote:



We watch TV on the laptop, or if I somehow forget to bring it then the iPad 
from the chart table. I cannot recall using a physical DVD in years, but my 
laptop can play them if needed.

As far an actual TV goes, there are two issues:

  1.  Powering it. Inverters are not all that expensive.
  2.  Storing power – I would add batteries for the whole boat instead of just 
for a TV.







Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA







From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 3:41 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system



There are, out there, 12 V TVs. They might be more expensive than the normal 
(120 V) ones, but not $1000 more expensive. Also, do you need a TV or just a 
screen (monitor)? They are even easier to get in 12 V version.



Marek



From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 9:07 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system



I have a 300 watt and 1200 inverter hard-wired to the boat systems as well as 
solar.

I keep thinking there must be a better way to watch TV then spend $1800. If it 
were me, I would probably spend the money on improving the boat systems overall 
vs. a dedicated TV battery.

Joe

Coquina



From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 1:45 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Jackery solar system



Looking for a way to power my TV and DVD and 120v sockets while at anchor.

I'm looking at getting a Jackery solar system for my boat.

I like the "2000 plus" cause it has a 30amp socket that accepts my shorepower 
cord and comes with two 200Watt folding solar panels.  $1800 but cheaper and 
less labor than installing a Lithium battery system with solar panels.



Anybody have experience with these devices?



Chuck Resolute 1989 C, Annapolis
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Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

The value proposition changes a bit if you use it for other things like power 
outages, camping, other boats, and so on. If you have multiple uses for it, it 
starts making more sense.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 5:19 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: j...@dellabarba.com; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Jackery solar system

 

I appreciate the feedback. 

  

We still enjoy TV at the dock and it's built in DVD player allows us to borrow 
movies from the library or rewatch old favorites like Hornblower, Wackiest Ship 
in the Army, Houseboat, Two For the Road, Wind, etc. 

  

The attraction of the Jackery is portability and it plugs right into my shore 
power inlet so all the 120v outlets can be powered.  It's easily removed from 
the boat and could backup my house during hurricane season, or taken camping.  

  

If you price out a 2000 watt invertor and batteries for it and 400 watt solar 
panels and a battery monitoring system, I would think it would get more 
expensive and more labor intensive, wiring all that together.  I would prefer a 
stand alone system that can be used when needed, and not something permanently 
mounted.  $1700 may seem like a lot of money, but the system would allow me to 
run a microwave or a hair dryer and provides another way to charge batteries 
when on the hook.  It would be removed from the boat for racing, removing all 
that weight.

  

I haven't bought one yet.   I'm still considering options. 

  

Chuck S 

  

   

On 10/16/2023 4:04 PM EDT Joe Della Barba via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

  

  

We watch TV on the laptop, or if I somehow forget to bring it then the iPad 
from the chart table. I cannot recall using a physical DVD in years, but my 
laptop can play them if needed.

As far an actual TV goes, there are two issues:

1.  Powering it. Inverters are not all that expensive.
2.  Storing power – I would add batteries for the whole boat instead of 
just for a TV.

 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

 

From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 3:41 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Marek Dziedzic mailto:dziedzi...@hotmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

 

There are, out there, 12 V TVs. They might be more expensive than the normal 
(120 V) ones, but not $1000 more expensive. Also, do you need a TV or just a 
screen (monitor)? They are even easier to get in 12 V version.

 

Marek

 

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 9:07 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Della Barba, Joe mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Jackery solar system

 

I have a 300 watt and 1200 inverter hard-wired to the boat systems as well as 
solar.

I keep thinking there must be a better way to watch TV then spend $1800. If it 
were me, I would probably spend the money on improving the boat systems overall 
vs. a dedicated TV battery.

Joe

Coquina

 

From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 1:45 PM
To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER mailto:cscheaf...@comcast.net> >
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Jackery solar system

 

Looking for a way to power my TV and DVD and 120v sockets while at anchor.  

I'm looking at getting a Jackery solar system for my boat.  

I like the "2000 plus" cause it has a 30amp socket that accepts my shorepower 
cord and comes with two 200Watt folding solar panels.  $1800 but cheaper and 
less labor than installing a Lithium battery system with solar panels. 

  

Anybody have experience with these devices? 

  

Chuck Resolute 1989 C, Annapolis 

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