Re: Stus-List Raising the boom?

[SEAN CONNER via CnC-List]

When I bought our 34 back in 1996 I noticed unused holes about 10" under the 
boom.  It took me a few years to figure out the boom had been raised by prior 
owner;  this was when I was measuring for a new main and the old sail 
measurements were shorter than the specs.  So I don't have good reference for 
how it impacted performance, but I can't imagine lowering the boom considering 
the head clearance, etc;  I also had the main made so it was ~6" below the top 
of the mast.  My experience racing this boat over the years is the main is the 
minority of your performance.. it's all about the right headsail, right amount 
of heel and VMG downwind with the spinnaker.   Btw, I did have a SS gooseneck 
made as the aluminum OEM was not going to last.  
Sean Conner/LADYHAWKE

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> Good thinking John.  I?ll assess that gap a bit more carefully next time I am 
> out.  Thanks, Nathan
> 
> 
> > On Aug 7, 2018, at 8:33 PM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Nathan
> >  
> > On our 34, there is a reason why the head is a foot or so below the top; of 
> > the mast.  It is to provide room for the sail headboard to fit between the 
> > aft edge of the mast and the backstay.  Keep that in mind as you are 
> > thinking of altering things
> >  
> > John and Maryann
> > Legacy III
> > 1982 C 34
> > Noank, CT
> >

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Re: Stus-List Raising the boom?

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

Good thinking John.  I’ll assess that gap a bit more carefully next time I am 
out.  Thanks, Nathan


> On Aug 7, 2018, at 8:33 PM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Nathan
>  
> On our 34, there is a reason why the head is a foot or so below the top; of 
> the mast.  It is to provide room for the sail headboard to fit between the 
> aft edge of the mast and the backstay.  Keep that in mind as you are thinking 
> of altering things
>  
> John and Maryann
> Legacy III
> 1982 C 34
> Noank, CT
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nathan 
> Post via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 11:12 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Nathan Post
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Raising the boom?
>  
> Thanks for all the great feedback on this.  On my boat as with some of the 
> others the goose neck is attached with a bunch of machine screws - not welded 
> so I expect it should be straight forward to move it up - simply drill and 
> tap new holes in the mast.  I could put some screws in the old holes to 
> "fill" them.   Thinking about height of the boom for flaking/covering the 
> sail and attaching the halyard to the head are important considerations - 
> I'll make a few measurements/trials and see how much higher makes sense to go 
> based on that.  Other boats I have sailed on have had the top batten catch on 
> the back stay and while annoying there are ways to shake it loose as 
> suggested so not that big a deal to me (not planning on any short course 
> racing with lots of tacks).  Raising the clew helps with cockpit clearance, 
> but not with vang angle so that is a consideration and if just raising the 
> clue that would also mean installing new reef points in the sail if we wanted 
> to keep the same angle when reefed so raising the gooseneck seems to be the 
> way to go in my case.
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> Nathan
> S/V Wisper
> 1981 C 34
> Lynn, MA
>  
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 10:42 AM Randy Stafford  
> wrote:
> Hi Nathan,
> 
> A previous owner raised the boom on my 30-1 by exactly one foot, comparing 
> former and current gooseneck bracket hole patterns on the mast, probably as a 
> safety and comfort choice.  Later HINs than mine (I have hull #7) came from 
> the factory with that modification - the boom a foot higher than on the early 
> HINs.
> 
> Like Dennis, I have no way of comparing boat feel before and after.  But I 
> have no complaints about the way my boat sails.  I’m 6’2” and the boom just 
> clears my head on tacks and gybes, with the vang set for a level boom.  I 
> added a vang and it forms a 30-60-90 triangle or better (wouldn’t have been 
> possible with a lower boom).  Standing on the cabintop I have no problem 
> reaching the headboard to shackle the halyard or put on / take off the sail 
> cover.
> 
> My previous mainsail always looked short in the foot to me.  I wondered if 
> the previous owner who raised the boom cut off the bottom 12” of the sail 
> resulting in a shorter foot.  This year I got a new mainsail and made the 
> foot as long as possible given the boom-end, screw-drive outhaul system on 
> the original 30-1 roller-reefing boom.  I have the occasional problem with 
> the top batten catching the backstay in light wind, but in those conditions I 
> have the backstay adjusted loose and can just jiggle the backstay to let the 
> batten pass.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
> > On Aug 7, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Nathan Post via CnC-List 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > All,
> > 
> > Having sailed our 1981 C 34 a few times and while looking into having a 
> > dodger and bimini made for her I am considering  raising the boom about 8 
> > to 10 inches. Good idea or bad idea?  Has anyone done this on their boat?
> > 
> > We are only planning on cruising, not racing. The current full batten 
> > mainsail (which is probably a used replacement as the sail number on it 
> > doesn’t correspond to the boat) falls well short of the masthead when fully 
> > raised and the head is about 18 inches below of the top of the track so 
> > there is plenty of room up there without recutting it.  At its current 
> > height the boom is about eye level for me when standing and my wife bumps 
> > her head if she is not careful - getting it above head height would be nice 
> > for comfort and would also allow the dodger to be a bit higher.
> > 
> > I know raising the main higher will hurt performance a bit in windy 
> > conditions, but I am not sure how much it will degrade the handling or 
> > balance.  It will also c

Re: Stus-List Raising the boom?

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Hi Nathan

 

On our 34, there is a reason why the head is a foot or so below the top; of the 
mast.  It is to provide room for the sail headboard to fit between the aft edge 
of the mast and the backstay.  Keep that in mind as you are thinking of 
altering things

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Thanks for all the great feedback on this.  On my boat as with some of the 
others the goose neck is attached with a bunch of machine screws - not welded 
so I expect it should be straight forward to move it up - simply drill and tap 
new holes in the mast.  I could put some screws in the old holes to "fill" 
them.   Thinking about height of the boom for flaking/covering the sail and 
attaching the halyard to the head are important considerations - I'll make a 
few measurements/trials and see how much higher makes sense to go based on 
that.  Other boats I have sailed on have had the top batten catch on the back 
stay and while annoying there are ways to shake it loose as suggested so not 
that big a deal to me (not planning on any short course racing with lots of 
tacks).  Raising the clew helps with cockpit clearance, but not with vang angle 
so that is a consideration and if just raising the clue that would also mean 
installing new reef points in the sail if we wanted to keep the same angle when 
reefed so raising the gooseneck seems to be the way to go in my case. 

 

Thanks!

 

Nathan

S/V Wisper
1981 C 34
Lynn, MA 

 

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 10:42 AM Randy Stafford  
wrote:

Hi Nathan,

A previous owner raised the boom on my 30-1 by exactly one foot, comparing 
former and current gooseneck bracket hole patterns on the mast, probably as a 
safety and comfort choice.  Later HINs than mine (I have hull #7) came from the 
factory with that modification - the boom a foot higher than on the early HINs.

Like Dennis, I have no way of comparing boat feel before and after.  But I have 
no complaints about the way my boat sails.  I’m 6’2” and the boom just clears 
my head on tacks and gybes, with the vang set for a level boom.  I added a vang 
and it forms a 30-60-90 triangle or better (wouldn’t have been possible with a 
lower boom).  Standing on the cabintop I have no problem reaching the headboard 
to shackle the halyard or put on / take off the sail cover.

My previous mainsail always looked short in the foot to me.  I wondered if the 
previous owner who raised the boom cut off the bottom 12” of the sail resulting 
in a shorter foot.  This year I got a new mainsail and made the foot as long as 
possible given the boom-end, screw-drive outhaul system on the original 30-1 
roller-reefing boom.  I have the occasional problem with the top batten 
catching the backstay in light wind, but in those conditions I have the 
backstay adjusted loose and can just jiggle the backstay to let the batten pass.

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Aug 7, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Nathan Post via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> Having sailed our 1981 C 34 a few times and while looking into having a 
> dodger and bimini made for her I am considering  raising the boom about 8 to 
> 10 inches. Good idea or bad idea?  Has anyone done this on their boat?
> 
> We are only planning on cruising, not racing. The current full batten 
> mainsail (which is probably a used replacement as the sail number on it 
> doesn’t correspond to the boat) falls well short of the masthead when fully 
> raised and the head is about 18 inches below of the top of the track so there 
> is plenty of room up there without recutting it.  At its current height the 
> boom is about eye level for me when standing and my wife bumps her head if 
> she is not careful - getting it above head height would be nice for comfort 
> and would also allow the dodger to be a bit higher.
> 
> I know raising the main higher will hurt performance a bit in windy 
> conditions, but I am not sure how much it will degrade the handling or 
> balance.  It will also change the main sheet angle a bit and reduce the 
> effectiveness of the cabin top traveler but with installing a new vang I 
> don’t think that will be so important.  However, I love how well balanced the 
> boat is - she sails beautifully - so I don’t want to mess that up.
> 
> Thoughts?
> Thanks,
> Nathan 
> 
> S/V Wisper
> 1981 C 34
> Lynn, MA
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> 
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> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
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Re: Stus-List Raising the boom?

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

 Thanks for all the great feedback on this.  On my boat as with some of the
others the goose neck is attached with a bunch of machine screws - not
welded so I expect it should be straight forward to move it up - simply
drill and tap new holes in the mast.  I could put some screws in the old
holes to "fill" them.   Thinking about height of the boom for
flaking/covering the sail and attaching the halyard to the head are
important considerations - I'll make a few measurements/trials and see how
much higher makes sense to go based on that.  Other boats I have sailed on
have had the top batten catch on the back stay and while annoying there are
ways to shake it loose as suggested so not that big a deal to me (not
planning on any short course racing with lots of tacks).  Raising the clew
helps with cockpit clearance, but not with vang angle so that is a
consideration and if just raising the clue that would also mean installing
new reef points in the sail if we wanted to keep the same angle when reefed
so raising the gooseneck seems to be the way to go in my case.

Thanks!

Nathan
S/V Wisper
1981 C 34
Lynn, MA

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 10:42 AM Randy Stafford 
wrote:

> Hi Nathan,
>
> A previous owner raised the boom on my 30-1 by exactly one foot, comparing
> former and current gooseneck bracket hole patterns on the mast, probably as
> a safety and comfort choice.  Later HINs than mine (I have hull #7) came
> from the factory with that modification - the boom a foot higher than on
> the early HINs.
>
> Like Dennis, I have no way of comparing boat feel before and after.  But I
> have no complaints about the way my boat sails.  I’m 6’2” and the boom just
> clears my head on tacks and gybes, with the vang set for a level boom.  I
> added a vang and it forms a 30-60-90 triangle or better (wouldn’t have been
> possible with a lower boom).  Standing on the cabintop I have no problem
> reaching the headboard to shackle the halyard or put on / take off the sail
> cover.
>
> My previous mainsail always looked short in the foot to me.  I wondered if
> the previous owner who raised the boom cut off the bottom 12” of the sail
> resulting in a shorter foot.  This year I got a new mainsail and made the
> foot as long as possible given the boom-end, screw-drive outhaul system on
> the original 30-1 roller-reefing boom.  I have the occasional problem with
> the top batten catching the backstay in light wind, but in those conditions
> I have the backstay adjusted loose and can just jiggle the backstay to let
> the batten pass.
>
> Best Regards,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
> > On Aug 7, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Nathan Post via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Having sailed our 1981 C 34 a few times and while looking into having
> a dodger and bimini made for her I am considering  raising the boom about 8
> to 10 inches. Good idea or bad idea?  Has anyone done this on their boat?
> >
> > We are only planning on cruising, not racing. The current full batten
> mainsail (which is probably a used replacement as the sail number on it
> doesn’t correspond to the boat) falls well short of the masthead when fully
> raised and the head is about 18 inches below of the top of the track so
> there is plenty of room up there without recutting it.  At its current
> height the boom is about eye level for me when standing and my wife bumps
> her head if she is not careful - getting it above head height would be nice
> for comfort and would also allow the dodger to be a bit higher.
> >
> > I know raising the main higher will hurt performance a bit in windy
> conditions, but I am not sure how much it will degrade the handling or
> balance.  It will also change the main sheet angle a bit and reduce the
> effectiveness of the cabin top traveler but with installing a new vang I
> don’t think that will be so important.  However, I love how well balanced
> the boat is - she sails beautifully - so I don’t want to mess that up.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> > Thanks,
> > Nathan
> >
> > S/V Wisper
> > 1981 C 34
> > Lynn, MA
> > ___
> >
> > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> >
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Raising the boom?

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

I'm adding a vote for raising the boom end by altering the mainsail.

My gooseneck is welded. I expect I could find a new mast fitting that fit and 
screw it onto the mast above the OEM product. I'd leave the old fitting as it 
adds strength and wouldn't be in the way of anything.

In 2012, I had a sailmaker simply add a flattening reef cringle in the leech 
($75) on a racing sail. Last year I had a sailmaker raise the clew on J-109 
mainsail 18" because it was originally made for a tiller steered boat and 
allowed the boom to droop below 90 degrees. It actually touched the wheel and 
could jam it. He kept the tack and reshaped the foot of the sail, new foot line 
etc ($300 for a loose footed main). You may find a better deal.

> On August 7, 2018 at 10:16 AM Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>
>
> Nathan;
>
> When I rerigged Imzadi back in 2011 or 2012, I talked to my sailmaker and the 
> rigger about doing what you are considering. Imzadi's boom was about 30" off 
> the deck, which put the vang at a marginally flat angle and limited the 
> access to the companionway. I, too, wanted to put on a taller dodger to aid 
> access below.
>
> They pointed out that the black stripe at the top of the mast (an indicator 
> of the max luff length for racing purposes) was a foot below the top of the 
> mast, so the gooseneck and black stripe could both be moved up and still be 
> legal. My gooseneck was installed on the mast with 8 or 10 machine screws, so 
> it was an easy task to move the gooseneck up about 8" and repaint the black 
> stripe.
>
> I find no difference in the sailing qualities of my boat. The rigid vang is 
> much closer to the optimum 45 degree angle. Clearance in the cockpit is 
> better. And there is enough room over the companionway that a hard dodger 
> with solar panels mounted on it has been added to the project list.
>
> The first downside is that the top batten in the main (a five batten main 
> with maximum roach) tends to get caught by the backstay when tacking in light 
> winds. But I have the same problem with my 25, and the gooseneck is in the 
> original location. A timely tug down on the boom is sometimes needed to clear 
> the batten. Since you indicate you have a second hand main that is 1 1/2 feet 
> shorter than the proper main for your boat, I don't imagine you have this 
> problem. It might become an issue when you get a new sail that is the proper 
> length.
>
> The second downside is the result of the Tides Strong Track on the mast and 
> the new main I bought last year. The new main has more "slugs" in the track 
> than the old one (though it is the number recommended by Tides for the luff 
> length of a main for a 38) and the stack height puts the top of the headboard 
> just about as high as I can reach when connecting the halyard or putting on 
> the mainsail cover. I sometimes wish I was a couple of inches taller.
>
> All in all, I'm pleased with the consequences of moving my gooseneck up.
>
> Rick Brass
> Imzadi C 38 mk2 #47
> la Belle Aurore C 25 mk1 #225
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Nathan 
> Post via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 8:33 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Nathan Post 
> Subject: Stus-List Raising the boom?
>
> All,
>
> Having sailed our 1981 C 34 a few times and while looking into having a 
> dodger and bimini made for her I am considering raising the boom about 8 to 
> 10 inches. Good idea or bad idea? Has anyone done this on their boat?
>
> We are only planning on cruising, not racing. The current full batten 
> mainsail (which is probably a used replacement as the sail number on it 
> doesn’t correspond to the boat) falls well short of the masthead when fully 
> raised and the head is about 18 inches below of the top of the track so there 
> is plenty of room up there without recutting it. At its current height the 
> boom is about eye level for me when standing and my wife bumps her head if 
> she is not careful - getting it above head height would be nice for comfort 
> and would also allow the dodger to be a bit higher.
>
> I know raising the main higher will hurt performance a bit in windy 
> conditions, but I am not sure how much it will degrade the handling or 
> balance. It will also change the main sheet angle a bit and reduce the 
> effectiveness of the cabin top traveler but with installing a new vang I 
> don’t think that will be so important. However, I love how well balanced the 
> boat is - she sails beautifully - so I don’t want to mess that up.
>
> Thoughts?
> Thanks,
> Nathan
>
> S/V Wisper
> 1981 C 34
> Lynn, MA
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and 
> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
>
>
> 

Re: Stus-List Raising the boom?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Hi Nathan,

A previous owner raised the boom on my 30-1 by exactly one foot, comparing 
former and current gooseneck bracket hole patterns on the mast, probably as a 
safety and comfort choice.  Later HINs than mine (I have hull #7) came from the 
factory with that modification - the boom a foot higher than on the early HINs.

Like Dennis, I have no way of comparing boat feel before and after.  But I have 
no complaints about the way my boat sails.  I’m 6’2” and the boom just clears 
my head on tacks and gybes, with the vang set for a level boom.  I added a vang 
and it forms a 30-60-90 triangle or better (wouldn’t have been possible with a 
lower boom).  Standing on the cabintop I have no problem reaching the headboard 
to shackle the halyard or put on / take off the sail cover.

My previous mainsail always looked short in the foot to me.  I wondered if the 
previous owner who raised the boom cut off the bottom 12” of the sail resulting 
in a shorter foot.  This year I got a new mainsail and made the foot as long as 
possible given the boom-end, screw-drive outhaul system on the original 30-1 
roller-reefing boom.  I have the occasional problem with the top batten 
catching the backstay in light wind, but in those conditions I have the 
backstay adjusted loose and can just jiggle the backstay to let the batten pass.

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Aug 7, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Nathan Post via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> Having sailed our 1981 C 34 a few times and while looking into having a 
> dodger and bimini made for her I am considering  raising the boom about 8 to 
> 10 inches. Good idea or bad idea?  Has anyone done this on their boat?
> 
> We are only planning on cruising, not racing. The current full batten 
> mainsail (which is probably a used replacement as the sail number on it 
> doesn’t correspond to the boat) falls well short of the masthead when fully 
> raised and the head is about 18 inches below of the top of the track so there 
> is plenty of room up there without recutting it.  At its current height the 
> boom is about eye level for me when standing and my wife bumps her head if 
> she is not careful - getting it above head height would be nice for comfort 
> and would also allow the dodger to be a bit higher.
> 
> I know raising the main higher will hurt performance a bit in windy 
> conditions, but I am not sure how much it will degrade the handling or 
> balance.  It will also change the main sheet angle a bit and reduce the 
> effectiveness of the cabin top traveler but with installing a new vang I 
> don’t think that will be so important.  However, I love how well balanced the 
> boat is - she sails beautifully - so I don’t want to mess that up.
> 
> Thoughts?
> Thanks,
> Nathan 
> 
> S/V Wisper
> 1981 C 34
> Lynn, MA
> ___
> 
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 


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Re: Stus-List Raising the boom?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Nathan;

When I rerigged Imzadi back in 2011 or 2012, I talked to my sailmaker and the 
rigger about doing what you are considering. Imzadi's boom was about 30" off 
the deck, which put the vang at a marginally flat angle and limited the access 
to the companionway. I, too, wanted to put on a taller dodger to aid access 
below.

They pointed out that the black stripe at the top of the mast (an indicator of 
the max luff length for racing purposes) was a foot below the top of the mast, 
so the gooseneck and black stripe could both be moved up and still be legal. My 
gooseneck was installed on the mast with 8 or 10 machine screws, so it was an 
easy task to move the gooseneck up about 8" and repaint the black stripe.

I find no difference in the sailing qualities of my boat. The rigid vang is 
much closer to the optimum 45 degree angle. Clearance in the cockpit is better. 
And there is enough room over the companionway that a hard dodger with solar 
panels mounted on it has been added to the project list.

The first downside is that the top batten in the main (a five batten main with 
maximum roach) tends to get caught by the backstay when tacking in light winds. 
But I have the same problem with my 25, and the gooseneck is in the original 
location. A timely tug down on the boom is sometimes needed to clear the 
batten. Since you indicate you have a second hand main that is 1 1/2 feet 
shorter than the proper main for your boat, I don't imagine you have this 
problem. It might become an issue when you get a new sail that is the proper 
length.

The second downside is the result of the Tides Strong Track on the mast and the 
new main I bought last year. The new main has more "slugs" in the track than 
the old one (though it is the number recommended by Tides for the luff length 
of a main for a 38) and the stack height puts the top of the headboard just 
about as high as I can reach when connecting the halyard or putting on the 
mainsail cover. I sometimes wish I was a couple of inches taller.

All in all, I'm pleased with the consequences of moving my gooseneck up.

Rick Brass
Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47
la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225
Washington, NC



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Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 8:33 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Nathan Post 
Subject: Stus-List Raising the boom?

All,

Having sailed our 1981 C 34 a few times and while looking into having a 
dodger and bimini made for her I am considering  raising the boom about 8 to 10 
inches. Good idea or bad idea?  Has anyone done this on their boat?

We are only planning on cruising, not racing. The current full batten mainsail 
(which is probably a used replacement as the sail number on it doesn’t 
correspond to the boat) falls well short of the masthead when fully raised and 
the head is about 18 inches below of the top of the track so there is plenty of 
room up there without recutting it.  At its current height the boom is about 
eye level for me when standing and my wife bumps her head if she is not careful 
- getting it above head height would be nice for comfort and would also allow 
the dodger to be a bit higher.

I know raising the main higher will hurt performance a bit in windy conditions, 
but I am not sure how much it will degrade the handling or balance.  It will 
also change the main sheet angle a bit and reduce the effectiveness of the 
cabin top traveler but with installing a new vang I don’t think that will be so 
important.  However, I love how well balanced the boat is - she sails 
beautifully - so I don’t want to mess that up.

Thoughts?
Thanks,
Nathan 

S/V Wisper
1981 C 34
Lynn, MA
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Re: Stus-List Raising the boom?

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I considered doing this because I am 6’ 3” and did not want to get hit in the 
head with the boom.  My sailmaker convinced me to raise the clew on the sail so 
the boom now has a slight angle but clears my head in the rear near the wheel.  
You might be able to get away with this option depending on where you want it 
higher.  It is certainly cheaper and easier than raising the gooseneck.  I did 
this when my new main was built, but it is easy to add a new cringle to the 
existing sail and try it out.   Dave

> On Aug 7, 2018, at 8:43 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Also consider the added difficulty handling the mainsail - Flaking on the 
> boom, removing or installing on the boom, operations if you have a sail cover 
> or stack pack.
> 
> How would you move the mast to boom fixture, the "goose neck"?  What scar 
> would remain?  Mine is welded.
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018, 8:33 AM Nathan Post via CnC-List  > wrote:
> All,
> 
> Having sailed our 1981 C 34 a few times and while looking into having a 
> dodger and bimini made for her I am considering  raising the boom about 8 to 
> 10 inches. Good idea or bad idea?  Has anyone done this on their boat?
> 
> We are only planning on cruising, not racing. The current full batten 
> mainsail (which is probably a used replacement as the sail number on it 
> doesn’t correspond to the boat) falls well short of the masthead when fully 
> raised and the head is about 18 inches below of the top of the track so there 
> is plenty of room up there without recutting it.  At its current height the 
> boom is about eye level for me when standing and my wife bumps her head if 
> she is not careful - getting it above head height would be nice for comfort 
> and would also allow the dodger to be a bit higher.
> 
> I know raising the main higher will hurt performance a bit in windy 
> conditions, but I am not sure how much it will degrade the handling or 
> balance.  It will also change the main sheet angle a bit and reduce the 
> effectiveness of the cabin top traveler but with installing a new vang I 
> don’t think that will be so important.  However, I love how well balanced the 
> boat is - she sails beautifully - so I don’t want to mess that up.
> 
> Thoughts?
> Thanks,
> Nathan 
> 
> S/V Wisper
> 1981 C 34
> Lynn, MA
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Re: Stus-List Raising the boom?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I think Touche's boom has been raised.  The bracket is attached with
machine screws.  There is a separate pattern of fastener holes below the
bracket which may be the original location.  It appears to have been raised
4-5 inches.

Although I have no way to compare before and after, the boat sails well.

You might consider modifying your mainsail instead.  The leech of Touche's
racing main is too long for us to sail it with the bimini up.  As this sail
ages, I have considered retiring it to cruising service.  I would have my
sail maker shorten the leech to have it clear the bimini.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Nathan Post via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> Having sailed our 1981 C 34 a few times and while looking into having a
> dodger and bimini made for her I am considering  raising the boom about 8
> to 10 inches. Good idea or bad idea?  Has anyone done this on their boat?
>
> We are only planning on cruising, not racing. The current full batten
> mainsail (which is probably a used replacement as the sail number on it
> doesn’t correspond to the boat) falls well short of the masthead when fully
> raised and the head is about 18 inches below of the top of the track so
> there is plenty of room up there without recutting it.  At its current
> height the boom is about eye level for me when standing and my wife bumps
> her head if she is not careful - getting it above head height would be nice
> for comfort and would also allow the dodger to be a bit higher.
>
> I know raising the main higher will hurt performance a bit in windy
> conditions, but I am not sure how much it will degrade the handling or
> balance.  It will also change the main sheet angle a bit and reduce the
> effectiveness of the cabin top traveler but with installing a new vang I
> don’t think that will be so important.  However, I love how well balanced
> the boat is - she sails beautifully - so I don’t want to mess that up.
>
> Thoughts?
> Thanks,
> Nathan
>
> S/V Wisper
> 1981 C 34
> Lynn, MA
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Re: Stus-List Raising the boom?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Also consider the added difficulty handling the mainsail - Flaking on the
boom, removing or installing on the boom, operations if you have a sail
cover or stack pack.

How would you move the mast to boom fixture, the "goose neck"?  What scar
would remain?  Mine is welded.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018, 8:33 AM Nathan Post via CnC-List 
wrote:

> All,
>
> Having sailed our 1981 C 34 a few times and while looking into having a
> dodger and bimini made for her I am considering  raising the boom about 8
> to 10 inches. Good idea or bad idea?  Has anyone done this on their boat?
>
> We are only planning on cruising, not racing. The current full batten
> mainsail (which is probably a used replacement as the sail number on it
> doesn’t correspond to the boat) falls well short of the masthead when fully
> raised and the head is about 18 inches below of the top of the track so
> there is plenty of room up there without recutting it.  At its current
> height the boom is about eye level for me when standing and my wife bumps
> her head if she is not careful - getting it above head height would be nice
> for comfort and would also allow the dodger to be a bit higher.
>
> I know raising the main higher will hurt performance a bit in windy
> conditions, but I am not sure how much it will degrade the handling or
> balance.  It will also change the main sheet angle a bit and reduce the
> effectiveness of the cabin top traveler but with installing a new vang I
> don’t think that will be so important.  However, I love how well balanced
> the boat is - she sails beautifully - so I don’t want to mess that up.
>
> Thoughts?
> Thanks,
> Nathan
>
> S/V Wisper
> 1981 C 34
> Lynn, MA
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