Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-17 Thread David Knecht via CnC-List
When I got my “new” boat last spring, I had intermittent starting problems.  
The yard mechanic told me that in his experience these were caused by bad 
grounds most of the time.  Sure enough, when I cleaned the ground connections 
to the engine, the problem went away.  Dave

On Aug 16, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Don Newman via CnC-List  
wrote:

> It is a good idea to have a start switch mounted near the engine for starting 
> during service. 
> It can be wired directly from the plus to the solenoid. Then in an urgent 
> situation you can run down and start if the normal start doesn't work. 
> 
> 
> Don Newman
> C&C 44 Hamilton ON
> 
> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-16 Thread Don Newman via CnC-List
It is a good idea to have a start switch mounted near the engine for starting 
during service. 
It can be wired directly from the plus to the solenoid. Then in an urgent 
situation you can run down and start if the normal start doesn't work. 


Don Newman
C&C 44 Hamilton ON


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Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-16 Thread Robert Boyer via CnC-List
I had a recent issue just prior to and into the first week of a recent 
month-long sailing trip where I had intermittent starting problems with my 
3HMF30.  It turned out to be the solenoid for the starter.  The old solenoids 
are sealed units--so there really is no way to "repair" them.  I then found out 
that I couldn't just buy the replacement solenoid because they are no longer 
made (nor the exact starter for that matter).  Of course, most new starters are 
reduction gear type which use less electrical current for starting.  I ended up 
going with a Hitachi starter and solenoid to replace the original Yanmar 
starter and solenoid and I am very happy with the change and NO more 
intermittent starting problems!

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
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Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-15 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
I just worked on a Yanmar (model unknown) starter. There was a relay or 
something on the side of the block under the starter.  The wire (white) from 
the start side of the key switch went to the relay. Another wire (orange) went 
from the relay to the solenoid. 

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 15, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> The fuse to which we are all refering is upstream of the key switch.  If you 
> hear a buzzer/low oil pressure alarm then the fuse is fine.  I would check 
> voltage going to the panel and voltage back to the start solenoid.  As Dwight 
> suggested the button could be bad so a resistance check across the button 
> terminals with the key off and the button depressed will determine that.  
> After verifying the voltage and eliminating the button I would look to the 
> solenoid.  You may have 2, check them both.  It could be burnt out or just 
> stuck...low voltage or high resistance to the solenoid could cause the 
> solenoid to appear bad.
> 
> I would take a short piece of wire and jumper from the positive supply 
> terminal to the start terminal on each of the two solenoids.  That should 
> eliminate the solenoids...
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2014 4:18 PM, "dwight veinot via CnC-List" 
>>  wrote:
>> Check the starter button.  Also inline fuses.  bad contacts,not just blow 
>> fuses can cause this.
>> 
>>> On Friday, August 15, 2014, Brad Crawford via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I switch the key on, the alarm buzzer buzzes as normal, I depress the start 
>>> button, and the only thing I see or hear, is the lights light up on the 
>>> control panel.  No clicking sounds, no starter sounds, nothing.  I will 
>>> check out and go through the start circuit wiring.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Brad
>>> 
>>> C&C 36
>>> 
>>> Elliott Bay
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Martin DeYoung [mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com] 
>>> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 10:23 AM
>>> To: Raymond Macklin; Brad Crawford
>>> Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: RE: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> > Could it be heat related.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> As the temp rises so does the DC resistance.  If the start / run wiring has 
>>> loose or corroded connections or undersized / corroded wires they may pass 
>>> enough voltage and current to work at lower temperatures but not when hot.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> A starter solenoid may suffer from voltage drop as the wiring heats up 
>>> pushing it from just barely working to not working.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Brad, when you say nothing happened, does that mean the starter did not 
>>> crank?  If so, I would follow the wiring from the key back to the starter 
>>> and tighten the connections if loose, repair corrosion if found before 
>>> replacing the starter and solenoid.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> Calypso
>>> 
>>> 1971 C&C 43
>>> 
>>> Seattle
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Raymond Macklin [mailto:ray.mack...@gmail.com] 
>>> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 3:55 AM
>>> To: Brad Crawford
>>> Cc: Martin DeYoung; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Everyone:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the input.  I replaced the 30 amp fuse like i was instructed and 
>>> it started up right away.  Brad brings up a good point.  Could it be heat 
>>> related.  I guess I should have tried starting it before replacing the 
>>> fuse, but i immediately changed the fuse and it worked.  I looked at the 
>>> fuse and it still looked good.  However, it was an OLD fuse.  Only time 
>>> will tell if it is heat related.
>>> 
>>> Ray
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Brad Crawford  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had a similar issue this last weekend. We  motored from Elliott Bay to 
>>> Port Ludlow, set the hook, shut the engine off, about a half hour later I 
>>> decided to relocate the anchor.  I d

Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-15 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
The fuse to which we are all refering is upstream of the key switch.  If
you hear a buzzer/low oil pressure alarm then the fuse is fine.  I would
check voltage going to the panel and voltage back to the start solenoid.
As Dwight suggested the button could be bad so a resistance check across
the button terminals with the key off and the button depressed will
determine that.  After verifying the voltage and eliminating the button I
would look to the solenoid.  You may have 2, check them both.  It could be
burnt out or just stuck...low voltage or high resistance to the solenoid
could cause the solenoid to appear bad.

I would take a short piece of wire and jumper from the positive supply
terminal to the start terminal on each of the two solenoids.  That should
eliminate the solenoids...

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Aug 15, 2014 4:18 PM, "dwight veinot via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Check the starter button.  Also inline fuses.  bad contacts,not just blow
> fuses can cause this.
>
> On Friday, August 15, 2014, Brad Crawford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>>  I switch the key on, the alarm buzzer buzzes as normal, I depress the
>> start button, and the only thing I see or hear, is the lights light up on
>> the control panel.  No clicking sounds, no starter sounds, nothing.  I will
>> check out and go through the start circuit wiring.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> C&C 36
>>
>> Elliott Bay
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Martin DeYoung [mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 15, 2014 10:23 AM
>> *To:* Raymond Macklin; Brad Crawford
>> *Cc:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* RE: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse
>> Issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Could it be heat related.
>>
>>
>>
>> As the temp rises so does the DC resistance.  If the start / run wiring
>> has loose or corroded connections or undersized / corroded wires they may
>> pass enough voltage and current to work at lower temperatures but not when
>> hot.
>>
>>
>>
>> A starter solenoid may suffer from voltage drop as the wiring heats up
>> pushing it from just barely working to not working.
>>
>>
>>
>> Brad, when you say nothing happened, does that mean the starter did not
>> crank?  If so, I would follow the wiring from the key back to the starter
>> and tighten the connections if loose, repair corrosion if found before
>> replacing the starter and solenoid.
>>
>>
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> Calypso
>>
>> 1971 C&C 43
>>
>> Seattle
>>
>>
>> [image: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Raymond Macklin [mailto:ray.mack...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 15, 2014 3:55 AM
>> *To:* Brad Crawford
>> *Cc:* Martin DeYoung; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse
>> Issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Everyone:
>>
>> Thanks for the input.  I replaced the 30 amp fuse like i was instructed
>> and it started up right away.  Brad brings up a good point.  Could it be
>> heat related.  I guess I should have tried starting it before replacing the
>> fuse, but i immediately changed the fuse and it worked.  I looked at the
>> fuse and it still looked good.  However, it was an OLD fuse.  Only time
>> will tell if it is heat related.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Brad Crawford 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I had a similar issue this last weekend. We  motored from Elliott Bay to
>> Port Ludlow, set the hook, shut the engine off, about a half hour later I
>> decided to relocate the anchor.  I depressed the starter switch and nothing
>> happened, tried a couple of times, no start.  So we stayed put figuring I'd
>> tackle the problem in the morning.  The next morning she started right up.
>> On the way back a few days later, we motored from Kingston back to Elliott
>> Bay Marina, we stopped at the fuel dock to empty the waste tank, when
>> finish I again depressed the start button to move on to our slip.  Same
>> thing, no start, I checked around looking for something obvious that may
>> have caused the problem, found nothing, so we waited about 45 - 60
>> minutes.  After a cool down time I tried again depressing the start switch
>> and she started right up. I think my issue may be heat related but not
>> sure?  Could it be the switch, fuse or fuse holder, solenoid, or 

Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-15 Thread dwight veinot via CnC-List
Check the starter button.  Also inline fuses.  bad contacts,not just blow
fuses can cause this.

On Friday, August 15, 2014, Brad Crawford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  I switch the key on, the alarm buzzer buzzes as normal, I depress the
> start button, and the only thing I see or hear, is the lights light up on
> the control panel.  No clicking sounds, no starter sounds, nothing.  I will
> check out and go through the start circuit wiring.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Brad
>
> C&C 36
>
> Elliott Bay
>
>
>
> *From:* Martin DeYoung [mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Friday, August 15, 2014 10:23 AM
> *To:* Raymond Macklin; Brad Crawford
> *Cc:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> *Subject:* RE: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse
> Issue.
>
>
>
> > Could it be heat related.
>
>
>
> As the temp rises so does the DC resistance.  If the start / run wiring
> has loose or corroded connections or undersized / corroded wires they may
> pass enough voltage and current to work at lower temperatures but not when
> hot.
>
>
>
> A starter solenoid may suffer from voltage drop as the wiring heats up
> pushing it from just barely working to not working.
>
>
>
> Brad, when you say nothing happened, does that mean the starter did not
> crank?  If so, I would follow the wiring from the key back to the starter
> and tighten the connections if loose, repair corrosion if found before
> replacing the starter and solenoid.
>
>
>
> Martin
>
> Calypso
>
> 1971 C&C 43
>
> Seattle
>
>
> [image: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]
>
>
>
> *From:* Raymond Macklin [mailto:ray.mack...@gmail.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Friday, August 15, 2014 3:55 AM
> *To:* Brad Crawford
> *Cc:* Martin DeYoung; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse
> Issue.
>
>
>
> Everyone:
>
> Thanks for the input.  I replaced the 30 amp fuse like i was instructed
> and it started up right away.  Brad brings up a good point.  Could it be
> heat related.  I guess I should have tried starting it before replacing the
> fuse, but i immediately changed the fuse and it worked.  I looked at the
> fuse and it still looked good.  However, it was an OLD fuse.  Only time
> will tell if it is heat related.
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Brad Crawford  > wrote:
>
> I had a similar issue this last weekend. We  motored from Elliott Bay to
> Port Ludlow, set the hook, shut the engine off, about a half hour later I
> decided to relocate the anchor.  I depressed the starter switch and nothing
> happened, tried a couple of times, no start.  So we stayed put figuring I’d
> tackle the problem in the morning.  The next morning she started right up.
> On the way back a few days later, we motored from Kingston back to Elliott
> Bay Marina, we stopped at the fuel dock to empty the waste tank, when
> finish I again depressed the start button to move on to our slip.  Same
> thing, no start, I checked around looking for something obvious that may
> have caused the problem, found nothing, so we waited about 45 – 60
> minutes.  After a cool down time I tried again depressing the start switch
> and she started right up. I think my issue may be heat related but not
> sure?  Could it be the switch, fuse or fuse holder, solenoid, or starter?
> Any ideas? Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
>
> 81 C&C 36
>
> Elliott Bay
>


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Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-15 Thread Brad Crawford via CnC-List
I switch the key on, the alarm buzzer buzzes as normal, I depress the start 
button, and the only thing I see or hear, is the lights light up on the control 
panel.  No clicking sounds, no starter sounds, nothing.  I will check out and 
go through the start circuit wiring.

 

Thanks,

 

Brad

C&C 36

Elliott Bay 

 

From: Martin DeYoung [mailto:mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 10:23 AM
To: Raymond Macklin; Brad Crawford
Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: RE: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

 

> Could it be heat related.

 

As the temp rises so does the DC resistance.  If the start / run wiring has 
loose or corroded connections or undersized / corroded wires they may pass 
enough voltage and current to work at lower temperatures but not when hot.

 

A starter solenoid may suffer from voltage drop as the wiring heats up pushing 
it from just barely working to not working.

 

Brad, when you say nothing happened, does that mean the starter did not crank?  
If so, I would follow the wiring from the key back to the starter and tighten 
the connections if loose, repair corrosion if found before replacing the 
starter and solenoid.

 

Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle


Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F

 

From: Raymond Macklin [mailto:ray.mack...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 3:55 AM
To: Brad Crawford
Cc: Martin DeYoung; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

 

Everyone:

Thanks for the input.  I replaced the 30 amp fuse like i was instructed and it 
started up right away.  Brad brings up a good point.  Could it be heat related. 
 I guess I should have tried starting it before replacing the fuse, but i 
immediately changed the fuse and it worked.  I looked at the fuse and it still 
looked good.  However, it was an OLD fuse.  Only time will tell if it is heat 
related.

Ray

 

On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Brad Crawford  wrote:

I had a similar issue this last weekend. We  motored from Elliott Bay to Port 
Ludlow, set the hook, shut the engine off, about a half hour later I decided to 
relocate the anchor.  I depressed the starter switch and nothing happened, 
tried a couple of times, no start.  So we stayed put figuring I’d tackle the 
problem in the morning.  The next morning she started right up.  On the way 
back a few days later, we motored from Kingston back to Elliott Bay Marina, we 
stopped at the fuel dock to empty the waste tank, when finish I again depressed 
the start button to move on to our slip.  Same thing, no start, I checked 
around looking for something obvious that may have caused the problem, found 
nothing, so we waited about 45 – 60 minutes.  After a cool down time I tried 
again depressing the start switch and she started right up. I think my issue 
may be heat related but not sure?  Could it be the switch, fuse or fuse holder, 
solenoid, or starter?  Any ideas? Has anyone else experienced this?

Thanks,

Brad

81 C&C 36

Elliott Bay 

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Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-15 Thread Martin DeYoung via CnC-List
> Could it be heat related.

As the temp rises so does the DC resistance.  If the start / run wiring has 
loose or corroded connections or undersized / corroded wires they may pass 
enough voltage and current to work at lower temperatures but not when hot.

A starter solenoid may suffer from voltage drop as the wiring heats up pushing 
it from just barely working to not working.

Brad, when you say nothing happened, does that mean the starter did not crank?  
If so, I would follow the wiring from the key back to the starter and tighten 
the connections if loose, repair corrosion if found before replacing the 
starter and solenoid.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

[Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]

From: Raymond Macklin [mailto:ray.mack...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 3:55 AM
To: Brad Crawford
Cc: Martin DeYoung; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

Everyone:
Thanks for the input.  I replaced the 30 amp fuse like i was instructed and it 
started up right away.  Brad brings up a good point.  Could it be heat related. 
 I guess I should have tried starting it before replacing the fuse, but i 
immediately changed the fuse and it worked.  I looked at the fuse and it still 
looked good.  However, it was an OLD fuse.  Only time will tell if it is heat 
related.
Ray

On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Brad Crawford 
mailto:bcrawf7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
I had a similar issue this last weekend. We  motored from Elliott Bay to Port 
Ludlow, set the hook, shut the engine off, about a half hour later I decided to 
relocate the anchor.  I depressed the starter switch and nothing happened, 
tried a couple of times, no start.  So we stayed put figuring I’d tackle the 
problem in the morning.  The next morning she started right up.  On the way 
back a few days later, we motored from Kingston back to Elliott Bay Marina, we 
stopped at the fuel dock to empty the waste tank, when finish I again depressed 
the start button to move on to our slip.  Same thing, no start, I checked 
around looking for something obvious that may have caused the problem, found 
nothing, so we waited about 45 – 60 minutes.  After a cool down time I tried 
again depressing the start switch and she started right up. I think my issue 
may be heat related but not sure?  Could it be the switch, fuse or fuse holder, 
solenoid, or starter?  Any ideas? Has anyone else experienced this?
Thanks,
Brad
81 C&C 36
Elliott Bay
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Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-15 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Sorry, I guess I should have more accurately referred to it as a secondary
starting solenoid.

Josh
On Aug 15, 2014 11:00 AM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:

> Do you have a separate starting relay?  I think it was on this list that
> someone was saying that the wires, push button and key switch are not
> robust enough for the starter.  A secondary relay solves this and prevents
> drawing too much current.  You'll probably never have to even look at the
> fuse again.
>
> Josh
> On Aug 15, 2014 6:55 AM, "Raymond Macklin via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Everyone:
>> Thanks for the input.  I replaced the 30 amp fuse like i was instructed
>> and it started up right away.  Brad brings up a good point.  Could it be
>> heat related.  I guess I should have tried starting it before replacing the
>> fuse, but i immediately changed the fuse and it worked.  I looked at the
>> fuse and it still looked good.  However, it was an OLD fuse.  Only time
>> will tell if it is heat related.
>> Ray
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Brad Crawford 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I had a similar issue this last weekend. We  motored from Elliott Bay
>>> to Port Ludlow, set the hook, shut the engine off, about a half hour later
>>> I decided to relocate the anchor.  I depressed the starter switch and
>>> nothing happened, tried a couple of times, no start.  So we stayed put
>>> figuring I'd tackle the problem in the morning.  The next morning she
>>> started right up.  On the way back a few days later, we motored from
>>> Kingston back to Elliott Bay Marina, we stopped at the fuel dock to empty
>>> the waste tank, when finish I again depressed the start button to move on
>>> to our slip.  Same thing, no start, I checked around looking for something
>>> obvious that may have caused the problem, found nothing, so we waited about
>>> 45 - 60 minutes.  After a cool down time I tried again depressing the start
>>> switch and she started right up. I think my issue may be heat related but
>>> not sure?  Could it be the switch, fuse or fuse holder, solenoid, or
>>> starter?  Any ideas? Has anyone else experienced this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> 81 C&C 36
>>>
>>> Elliott Bay
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
>>> *Martin
>>> DeYoung via CnC-List
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 14, 2014 10:35 AM
>>> *To:* Raymond Macklin; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse
>>> Issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I had a similar issue with a 1980 C&C 36's 3 cyl. Yanmar after a night
>>> passage.  The electrical load from the running lights and other nav
>>> equipment caused a fuse located at the back of the engine to blow.  The
>>> fuse was in an in-line holder as part of the wire harness.  This was
>>> approx. 20 years ago so I don't recall which circuit it was part of but it
>>> may have been the 12V supply for both the lights and the electric fuel lift
>>> pump.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> Calypso
>>>
>>> 1971 C&C 43
>>>
>>> Seattle
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Description: Description:
>>> cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
>>> *Raymond
>>> Macklin via CnC-List
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 14, 2014 5:08 AM
>>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> *Subject:* Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> I have a 1985 C&C 33-2 with a Yanmar, Diesel 2GM20F engine.  I was
>>> sailing last night and started the motor like normal to get out of harbor.
>>> However, when I went to  come back in to the harbor.  I proceed to follow
>>> my normal process.  I put the transmission in Neutral and reached down to
>>> turn the key and heard the whistle sound and press the start button.
>>> NOTHING HAPPENED.  Kept trying on different batteries and still nothing.  I
>>> also looked at the gauges with the motor would not start and my gas gauge
>>> read empty and i know i have a full tank.
>>>
>>> We got 

Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-15 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Do you have a separate starting relay?  I think it was on this list that
someone was saying that the wires, push button and key switch are not
robust enough for the starter.  A secondary relay solves this and prevents
drawing too much current.  You'll probably never have to even look at the
fuse again.

Josh
On Aug 15, 2014 6:55 AM, "Raymond Macklin via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Everyone:
> Thanks for the input.  I replaced the 30 amp fuse like i was instructed
> and it started up right away.  Brad brings up a good point.  Could it be
> heat related.  I guess I should have tried starting it before replacing the
> fuse, but i immediately changed the fuse and it worked.  I looked at the
> fuse and it still looked good.  However, it was an OLD fuse.  Only time
> will tell if it is heat related.
> Ray
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Brad Crawford 
> wrote:
>
>>  I had a similar issue this last weekend. We  motored from Elliott Bay
>> to Port Ludlow, set the hook, shut the engine off, about a half hour later
>> I decided to relocate the anchor.  I depressed the starter switch and
>> nothing happened, tried a couple of times, no start.  So we stayed put
>> figuring I'd tackle the problem in the morning.  The next morning she
>> started right up.  On the way back a few days later, we motored from
>> Kingston back to Elliott Bay Marina, we stopped at the fuel dock to empty
>> the waste tank, when finish I again depressed the start button to move on
>> to our slip.  Same thing, no start, I checked around looking for something
>> obvious that may have caused the problem, found nothing, so we waited about
>> 45 - 60 minutes.  After a cool down time I tried again depressing the start
>> switch and she started right up. I think my issue may be heat related but
>> not sure?  Could it be the switch, fuse or fuse holder, solenoid, or
>> starter?  Any ideas? Has anyone else experienced this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> 81 C&C 36
>>
>> Elliott Bay
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Martin
>> DeYoung via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 14, 2014 10:35 AM
>> *To:* Raymond Macklin; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse
>> Issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had a similar issue with a 1980 C&C 36's 3 cyl. Yanmar after a night
>> passage.  The electrical load from the running lights and other nav
>> equipment caused a fuse located at the back of the engine to blow.  The
>> fuse was in an in-line holder as part of the wire harness.  This was
>> approx. 20 years ago so I don't recall which circuit it was part of but it
>> may have been the 12V supply for both the lights and the electric fuel lift
>> pump.
>>
>>
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> Calypso
>>
>> 1971 C&C 43
>>
>> Seattle
>>
>>
>> [image: Description: Description:
>> cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of 
>> *Raymond
>> Macklin via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 14, 2014 5:08 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Subject:* Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello:
>>
>> I have a 1985 C&C 33-2 with a Yanmar, Diesel 2GM20F engine.  I was
>> sailing last night and started the motor like normal to get out of harbor.
>> However, when I went to  come back in to the harbor.  I proceed to follow
>> my normal process.  I put the transmission in Neutral and reached down to
>> turn the key and heard the whistle sound and press the start button.
>> NOTHING HAPPENED.  Kept trying on different batteries and still nothing.  I
>> also looked at the gauges with the motor would not start and my gas gauge
>> read empty and i know i have a full tank.
>>
>> We got back into the harbor and someone showed my how to jump the motor.
>> I started right up.  He indicated it might be a fuse.
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with the location of the fuse between the key and the
>> motor and the type of fuse i may be needing to repair this.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> LakeHouse
>>
>> Libertyville, IL
>>
>>
>>
>> Diesel - Yanmar 2GM20F, fresh water cooled
>>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-15 Thread Raymond Macklin via CnC-List
Everyone:
Thanks for the input.  I replaced the 30 amp fuse like i was instructed and
it started up right away.  Brad brings up a good point.  Could it be heat
related.  I guess I should have tried starting it before replacing the
fuse, but i immediately changed the fuse and it worked.  I looked at the
fuse and it still looked good.  However, it was an OLD fuse.  Only time
will tell if it is heat related.
Ray


On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:56 PM, Brad Crawford 
wrote:

>  I had a similar issue this last weekend. We  motored from Elliott Bay to
> Port Ludlow, set the hook, shut the engine off, about a half hour later I
> decided to relocate the anchor.  I depressed the starter switch and nothing
> happened, tried a couple of times, no start.  So we stayed put figuring I’d
> tackle the problem in the morning.  The next morning she started right up.
> On the way back a few days later, we motored from Kingston back to Elliott
> Bay Marina, we stopped at the fuel dock to empty the waste tank, when
> finish I again depressed the start button to move on to our slip.  Same
> thing, no start, I checked around looking for something obvious that may
> have caused the problem, found nothing, so we waited about 45 – 60
> minutes.  After a cool down time I tried again depressing the start switch
> and she started right up. I think my issue may be heat related but not
> sure?  Could it be the switch, fuse or fuse holder, solenoid, or starter?
> Any ideas? Has anyone else experienced this?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Brad
>
> 81 C&C 36
>
> Elliott Bay
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Martin
> DeYoung via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 14, 2014 10:35 AM
> *To:* Raymond Macklin; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse
> Issue.
>
>
>
> I had a similar issue with a 1980 C&C 36’s 3 cyl. Yanmar after a night
> passage.  The electrical load from the running lights and other nav
> equipment caused a fuse located at the back of the engine to blow.  The
> fuse was in an in-line holder as part of the wire harness.  This was
> approx. 20 years ago so I don’t recall which circuit it was part of but it
> may have been the 12V supply for both the lights and the electric fuel lift
> pump.
>
>
>
> Martin
>
> Calypso
>
> 1971 C&C 43
>
> Seattle
>
>
> [image: Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Raymond
> Macklin via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 14, 2014 5:08 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.
>
>
>
> Hello:
>
> I have a 1985 C&C 33-2 with a Yanmar, Diesel 2GM20F engine.  I was sailing
> last night and started the motor like normal to get out of harbor.
> However, when I went to  come back in to the harbor.  I proceed to follow
> my normal process.  I put the transmission in Neutral and reached down to
> turn the key and heard the whistle sound and press the start button.
> NOTHING HAPPENED.  Kept trying on different batteries and still nothing.  I
> also looked at the gauges with the motor would not start and my gas gauge
> read empty and i know i have a full tank.
>
> We got back into the harbor and someone showed my how to jump the motor.
> I started right up.  He indicated it might be a fuse.
>
> Is anyone familiar with the location of the fuse between the key and the
> motor and the type of fuse i may be needing to repair this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
> LakeHouse
>
> Libertyville, IL
>
>
>
> Diesel - Yanmar 2GM20F, fresh water cooled
>
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Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-14 Thread John Irvin via CnC-List
Corrosion?

-Original Message-
From: "Brad Crawford via CnC-List" 
Sent: ‎2014-‎08-‎15 12:55 AM
To: "'Martin DeYoung'" ; "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
; "'Raymond Macklin'" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

I had a similar issue this last weekend. We  motored from Elliott Bay to Port 
Ludlow, set the hook, shut the engine off, about a half hour later I decided to 
relocate the anchor.  I depressed the starter switch and nothing happened, 
tried a couple of times, no start.  So we stayed put figuring I’d tackle the 
problem in the morning.  The next morning she started right up.  On the way 
back a few days later, we motored from Kingston back to Elliott Bay Marina, we 
stopped at the fuel dock to empty the waste tank, when finish I again depressed 
the start button to move on to our slip.  Same thing, no start, I checked 
around looking for something obvious that may have caused the problem, found 
nothing, so we waited about 45 – 60 minutes.  After a cool down time I tried 
again depressing the start switch and she started right up. I think my issue 
may be heat related but not sure?  Could it be the switch, fuse or fuse holder, 
solenoid, or starter?  Any ideas? Has anyone else experienced this?
 
Thanks,
 
Brad
81 C&C 36
Elliott Bay 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin 
DeYoung via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 10:35 AM
To: Raymond Macklin; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.
 
I had a similar issue with a 1980 C&C 36’s 3 cyl. Yanmar after a night passage. 
 The electrical load from the running lights and other nav equipment caused a 
fuse located at the back of the engine to blow.  The fuse was in an in-line 
holder as part of the wire harness.  This was approx. 20 years ago so I don’t 
recall which circuit it was part of but it may have been the 12V supply for 
both the lights and the electric fuel lift pump.
 
Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle


 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Raymond 
Macklin via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 5:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.
 
Hello:
I have a 1985 C&C 33-2 with a Yanmar, Diesel 2GM20F engine.  I was sailing last 
night and started the motor like normal to get out of harbor.  However, when I 
went to  come back in to the harbor.  I proceed to follow my normal process.  I 
put the transmission in Neutral and reached down to turn the key and heard the 
whistle sound and press the start button.  NOTHING HAPPENED.  Kept trying on 
different batteries and still nothing.  I also looked at the gauges with the 
motor would not start and my gas gauge read empty and i know i have a full tank.
We got back into the harbor and someone showed my how to jump the motor.  I 
started right up.  He indicated it might be a fuse.
Is anyone familiar with the location of the fuse between the key and the motor 
and the type of fuse i may be needing to repair this.  
Thanks,
Ray
LakeHouse
Libertyville, IL
 
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Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-14 Thread Sam Salter via CnC-List
I started having problems with my 2GM20F a couple of seasons ago.

Turning the key would often produce nothing, then suddenly after 4 or 5 tries 
it would crank OK.

Replaced all the battery/starter/1,2,all switch cables - 3 or 4 premade cables 
from my local auto dealer - Canadian Tire. Cables are sold in different lengths 
with ends already sweated on. Cost about $70.


30+ years service - you can’t ask for much more, especially in this 
application. These will outlast me!

Cranks every time now.






sam :-)


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From: Nauset Beach via CnC-List
Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎August‎ ‎14‎, ‎2014 ‎10‎:‎56‎ ‎PM
To: 'Martin DeYoung', Nauset Beach via CnC-List, 'Raymond Macklin'






I had a similar issue this last weekend. We  motored from Elliott Bay to Port 
Ludlow, set the hook, shut the engine off, about a half hour later I decided to 
relocate the anchor.  I depressed the starter switch and nothing happened, 
tried a couple of times, no start.  So we stayed put figuring I’d tackle the 
problem in the morning.  The next morning she started right up.  On the way 
back a few days later, we motored from Kingston back to Elliott Bay Marina, we 
stopped at the fuel dock to empty the waste tank, when finish I again depressed 
the start button to move on to our slip.  Same thing, no start, I checked 
around looking for something obvious that may have caused the problem, found 
nothing, so we waited about 45 – 60 minutes.  After a cool down time I tried 
again depressing the start switch and she started right up. I think my issue 
may be heat related but not sure?  Could it be the switch, fuse or fuse holder, 
solenoid, or starter?  Any ideas? Has anyone else experienced this?

 

Thanks,

 

Brad

81 C&C 36

Elliott Bay 

 



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin 
DeYoung via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 10:35 AM
To: Raymond Macklin; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

 

I had a similar issue with a 1980 C&C 36’s 3 cyl. Yanmar after a night passage. 
 The electrical load from the running lights and other nav equipment caused a 
fuse located at the back of the engine to blow.  The fuse was in an in-line 
holder as part of the wire harness.  This was approx. 20 years ago so I don’t 
recall which circuit it was part of but it may have been the 12V supply for 
both the lights and the electric fuel lift pump.

 

Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle


 Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Raymond 
Macklin via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 5:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

 









Hello:

I have a 1985 C&C 33-2 with a Yanmar, Diesel 2GM20F engine.  I was sailing last 
night and started the motor like normal to get out of harbor.  However, when I 
went to  come back in to the harbor.  I proceed to follow my normal process.  I 
put the transmission in Neutral and reached down to turn the key and heard the 
whistle sound and press the start button.  NOTHING HAPPENED.  Kept trying on 
different batteries and still nothing.  I also looked at the gauges with the 
motor would not start and my gas gauge read empty and i know i have a full tank.

We got back into the harbor and someone showed my how to jump the motor.  I 
started right up.  He indicated it might be a fuse.

Is anyone familiar with the location of the fuse between the key and the motor 
and the type of fuse i may be needing to repair this.  

Thanks,

Ray

LakeHouse

Libertyville, IL







 



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Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-14 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
I have had similar starting problems.  The biggest difference from what
others are describing is the operation of the key.

On mine during a normal start sequence, I turn the key to on, low oil
pressure alarm sounds, I press the start push button, engine starts,  alarm
stops.

When the start sequence is going to fail, after turning the key to start no
alarm sounds.  I go down and jiggle the wiring harness until the alarm
sounds.  Then I go up and push the start push button and the engine
starts.  I believe this loose connection causes the equivalent of turning
the key off.  It can happen anytime regardless of the engine running or
not.  The problem being that turning the key off can blow the regulator or
diodes in the alternator.

Just 2 days ago I was investigating a low output voltage on the alternator
and discovered a fuse in a wire bundle between the starter and the air
filter housing.  The fuse holder was green plastic and a clam shell
design.  Convieniently it holds a spare fuse.  Inconveniently it was buried
away in the engine.  It was made to be held together with zip-ties but was
only being held by electrical tape.  Fuel and oil had weakend the adhesive
on the tape and the clam shell had opened slightly.  When I jiggled the
wiring harness it would wiggle the fuse contacts inside the clam shell.

Two zip-ties later and I doubt I will have any more problems.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Yanmar 3HM35F
Solomons, MD
On Aug 15, 2014 12:55 AM, "Brad Crawford via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  I had a similar issue this last weekend. We  motored from Elliott Bay to
> Port Ludlow, set the hook, shut the engine off, about a half hour later I
> decided to relocate the anchor.  I depressed the starter switch and nothing
> happened, tried a couple of times, no start.  So we stayed put figuring I'd
> tackle the problem in the morning.  The next morning she started right up.
> On the way back a few days later, we motored from Kingston back to Elliott
> Bay Marina, we stopped at the fuel dock to empty the waste tank, when
> finish I again depressed the start button to move on to our slip.  Same
> thing, no start, I checked around looking for something obvious that may
> have caused the problem, found nothing, so we waited about 45 - 60
> minutes.  After a cool down time I tried again depressing the start switch
> and she started right up. I think my issue may be heat related but not
> sure?  Could it be the switch, fuse or fuse holder, solenoid, or starter?
> Any ideas? Has anyone else experienced this?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Brad
>
> 81 C&C 36
>
> Elliott Bay
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Martin
> DeYoung via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 14, 2014 10:35 AM
> *To:* Raymond Macklin; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse
> Issue.
>
>
>
> I had a similar issue with a 1980 C&C 36's 3 cyl. Yanmar after a night
> passage.  The electrical load from the running lights and other nav
> equipment caused a fuse located at the back of the engine to blow.  The
> fuse was in an in-line holder as part of the wire harness.  This was
> approx. 20 years ago so I don't recall which circuit it was part of but it
> may have been the 12V supply for both the lights and the electric fuel lift
> pump.
>
>
>
> Martin
>
> Calypso
>
> 1971 C&C 43
>
> Seattle
>
>
> [image: Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Raymond
> Macklin via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 14, 2014 5:08 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.
>
>
>
> Hello:
>
> I have a 1985 C&C 33-2 with a Yanmar, Diesel 2GM20F engine.  I was sailing
> last night and started the motor like normal to get out of harbor.
> However, when I went to  come back in to the harbor.  I proceed to follow
> my normal process.  I put the transmission in Neutral and reached down to
> turn the key and heard the whistle sound and press the start button.
> NOTHING HAPPENED.  Kept trying on different batteries and still nothing.  I
> also looked at the gauges with the motor would not start and my gas gauge
> read empty and i know i have a full tank.
>
> We got back into the harbor and someone showed my how to jump the motor.
> I started right up.  He indicated it might be a fuse.
>
> Is anyone familiar with the location of the fuse between the key and the
> motor and the type of fuse i may be needing to repair this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
> LakeHouse
>
> Libertyv

Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-14 Thread Brad Crawford via CnC-List
I had a similar issue this last weekend. We  motored from Elliott Bay to Port 
Ludlow, set the hook, shut the engine off, about a half hour later I decided to 
relocate the anchor.  I depressed the starter switch and nothing happened, 
tried a couple of times, no start.  So we stayed put figuring I’d tackle the 
problem in the morning.  The next morning she started right up.  On the way 
back a few days later, we motored from Kingston back to Elliott Bay Marina, we 
stopped at the fuel dock to empty the waste tank, when finish I again depressed 
the start button to move on to our slip.  Same thing, no start, I checked 
around looking for something obvious that may have caused the problem, found 
nothing, so we waited about 45 – 60 minutes.  After a cool down time I tried 
again depressing the start switch and she started right up. I think my issue 
may be heat related but not sure?  Could it be the switch, fuse or fuse holder, 
solenoid, or starter?  Any ideas? Has anyone else experienced this?

 

Thanks,

 

Brad

81 C&C 36

Elliott Bay 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin 
DeYoung via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 10:35 AM
To: Raymond Macklin; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

 

I had a similar issue with a 1980 C&C 36’s 3 cyl. Yanmar after a night passage. 
 The electrical load from the running lights and other nav equipment caused a 
fuse located at the back of the engine to blow.  The fuse was in an in-line 
holder as part of the wire harness.  This was approx. 20 years ago so I don’t 
recall which circuit it was part of but it may have been the 12V supply for 
both the lights and the electric fuel lift pump.

 

Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C 43

Seattle


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Raymond 
Macklin via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 5:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

 

Hello:

I have a 1985 C&C 33-2 with a Yanmar, Diesel 2GM20F engine.  I was sailing last 
night and started the motor like normal to get out of harbor.  However, when I 
went to  come back in to the harbor.  I proceed to follow my normal process.  I 
put the transmission in Neutral and reached down to turn the key and heard the 
whistle sound and press the start button.  NOTHING HAPPENED.  Kept trying on 
different batteries and still nothing.  I also looked at the gauges with the 
motor would not start and my gas gauge read empty and i know i have a full tank.

We got back into the harbor and someone showed my how to jump the motor.  I 
started right up.  He indicated it might be a fuse.

Is anyone familiar with the location of the fuse between the key and the motor 
and the type of fuse i may be needing to repair this.  

Thanks,

Ray

LakeHouse

Libertyville, IL

 

Diesel - Yanmar 2GM20F, fresh water cooled

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Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-14 Thread Martin DeYoung via CnC-List
I had a similar issue with a 1980 C&C 36’s 3 cyl. Yanmar after a night passage. 
 The electrical load from the running lights and other nav equipment caused a 
fuse located at the back of the engine to blow.  The fuse was in an in-line 
holder as part of the wire harness.  This was approx. 20 years ago so I don’t 
recall which circuit it was part of but it may have been the 12V supply for 
both the lights and the electric fuel lift pump.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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Subject: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

Hello:
I have a 1985 C&C 33-2 with a Yanmar, Diesel 2GM20F engine.  I was sailing last 
night and started the motor like normal to get out of harbor.  However, when I 
went to  come back in to the harbor.  I proceed to follow my normal process.  I 
put the transmission in Neutral and reached down to turn the key and heard the 
whistle sound and press the start button.  NOTHING HAPPENED.  Kept trying on 
different batteries and still nothing.  I also looked at the gauges with the 
motor would not start and my gas gauge read empty and i know i have a full tank.
We got back into the harbor and someone showed my how to jump the motor.  I 
started right up.  He indicated it might be a fuse.
Is anyone familiar with the location of the fuse between the key and the motor 
and the type of fuse i may be needing to repair this.
Thanks,
Ray
LakeHouse
Libertyville, IL


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Re: Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-14 Thread Curtis via CnC-List
Yes, in the wiring loom facing the front of the engine the harness will
have an inline fuse. it runs from the Starter to the start switch.

I will send you a link to the diagram.

It's a 30 amp fuse. Sometimes it needs a good cleaning sometime a new fuse.
I keep 3 or 4 extra on the boat as spares.




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On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Raymond Macklin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hello:
>
> I have a 1985 C&C 33-2 with a Yanmar, Diesel 2GM20F engine.  I was
> sailing last night and started the motor like normal to get out of harbor.
> However, when I went to  come back in to the harbor.  I proceed to follow
> my normal process.  I put the transmission in Neutral and reached down to
> turn the key and heard the whistle sound and press the start button.
> NOTHING HAPPENED.  Kept trying on different batteries and still nothing.  I
> also looked at the gauges with the motor would not start and my gas gauge
> read empty and i know i have a full tank.
>
> We got back into the harbor and someone showed my how to jump the motor.
> I started right up.  He indicated it might be a fuse.
>
> Is anyone familiar with the location of the fuse between the key and the
> motor and the type of fuse i may be needing to repair this.
>
> Thanks,
> Ray
> LakeHouse
> Libertyville, IL
>
>
>
> Diesel - Yanmar 2GM20F, fresh water cooled
>
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Stus-List 2GM20F Engine will not start - Possible Fuse Issue.

2014-08-14 Thread Raymond Macklin via CnC-List
Hello:

I have a 1985 C&C 33-2 with a Yanmar, Diesel 2GM20F engine.  I was sailing
last night and started the motor like normal to get out of harbor.
However, when I went to  come back in to the harbor.  I proceed to follow
my normal process.  I put the transmission in Neutral and reached down to
turn the key and heard the whistle sound and press the start button.
NOTHING HAPPENED.  Kept trying on different batteries and still nothing.  I
also looked at the gauges with the motor would not start and my gas gauge
read empty and i know i have a full tank.

We got back into the harbor and someone showed my how to jump the motor.  I
started right up.  He indicated it might be a fuse.

Is anyone familiar with the location of the fuse between the key and the
motor and the type of fuse i may be needing to repair this.

Thanks,
Ray
LakeHouse
Libertyville, IL



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