Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-26 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Edd,

Two tips for the AC raw water install.

1. Put a valve on the discharge thru-hull.  Many installers don't do this.

2. Install a tee on the supply for a dock hose hook up.  Mine is on the
discharge of the pump.

This will allow you to do a couple things.  First, if your pump fails, you
can hook up dock water to cool the boat.  Second, you can close the
discharge valve and use dock water to blow out any pluggage between the
inlet and strainer.  That's where most of Touche's pluggage occurs.  It
never makes it to the strainer.

Probably not necessary in your area but in Louisiana's muddy waters, mud
settles out in low spots in the raw water system.  If the hose is sized
properly it won't settle when running but when it shuts off, it can.
Having a valve on each end of the system allows me to blow out the system
each way.

When I waas doing boat maintenance, I was always surprised at the amount of
mud I blew out of AC water systems when I serviced them.  Mostly it
waslarger boats with long cooling water runs but still

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1#83
Mandeville,  LA

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 8:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the
> main and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand
> it, the expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more
> reliable than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).
>
> The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.
>
> Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four
> years or so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a
> good idea to tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink
> drain nearby. Any issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need
> to refrain from dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so
> as those chemicals don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with
> that plan?
>
> Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so
> bad. The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the
> engine running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my
> 2000-Watt inverter and high-capacity alternator?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List 
>
> Edd,


First, I swear by CruisAir units.  IMHO, best marine AC out there.  Went
through several iterations of Mermaids prior to the CruisAir.

I've had a 16KBTU Cruisair in Touche' for over a decade.  Super reliable.
Not even a burp.  Keeps Touche' cool even in the Pensacola or Louisiana
summers.

Second, would a split unit work better?  Compressor in a utility space
somewhere and the air handling unit in the cabin somewhere?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread John Conklin via CnC-List 
I have thru hull for AC right next to engine intake. Unit is installed behind 
last bottom drawer on chart table area drawer is gone bye bye  venting to 2 
outlets 1 on each side midship under sliding plexi

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Edd,,

It is simple. Unless you install a cut off valve in the teed line off the raw 
water entail, the engine's raw water pump will suck the water out of the HVAC 
water line. When that happens you will have air in the intake line and your 
engine will over heat, etc. all sorts of bad things will then happen. Air is 
easier to for the pump to suck than water.

Been there & done that, so we built a manifold system to prove water from 1 
intake for the both the engine and HVAC water pump. However, I have to close 
the valve for the HVAC side when running the engine and visa versa. It works, 
but is sometime a PITA

Good luck

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
Fitzgerald Forwarding Co. Inc. FMC license no:1966F
S/V HONEY - US12788
C 39TM (1974)
Savannah, GA

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Listers,

Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).

The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.

Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or 
so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to 
tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any 
issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from 
dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals 
don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?

Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. 
The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine 
running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter 
and high-capacity alternator?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log










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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
Our raw water intake for the AC used to share the engine raw water intake.
We now have a separate thru hull for the AC.  The AC Raw Water pump and
strainer are located just above the transmission, just inside the rear
access door in the aft cabin, easy access.  There is a nice teak enclosure
surrounding the AC unit, under the stairs, with vents forward to the galley
area and aft to the stern berth.  The air intake is a teak louvre on the
side facing the galley. There is a shelf created as a result just under the
top step with a fiddle surrounding, a handy place for small stuff just
inside the companionway. Doesn't look like an add on at all, looks like it
had been there when the boat was built.

The discharge hose runs under the fuel tank to a thru hull next to the
others in the stern.

This is a photo of the AC enclosure under the stairs on a sister 37/40:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/C%26C_37-40_Galley_Interior.jpg


Ken H.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 12:16, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> "Long run" depends on where you put the unit and more importantly where
> you put the water pump.  Mine being under the stairs means that the head
> only adds about 5 feet - I guess - of hose.  Of course there is room under
> the sink to put the pump in the  head too.
>
> Truth be told, I didn't run my lines.  The PO did.  I have never really
> dug into the specifics of how the wired or hoses go.  When I see it I know
> but can really recall.
>
> IIRC, I seem the think the power comes directly from the lazarett where
> the power plug(s) are located.  And runs under the fuel tank to the engine
> compartment then up along one of the corner supports through the ceiling of
> the engine compartment to the HVAC compartment.  During the install the PO
> built in wooden walls to house the HVAC unit.
>
> The hoses come from one of the three thru-hulls at the base of the
> stairs.  The pump sits just forward of the engine and straddles the
> athwartship stringer.  I need to install a vent since the pump doesn't
> self-prime.  The discharge from the pump leads stbd to the forward corner
> engine compartment support and then up through the compartment ceiling.
> Water leaving the HVAC goes out the same path the power comes in.  There is
> a discharge port in the hull near the transom.
>
> The only engine access concern for me would be in the event of an engine
> replacement since the "ceiling" would have an HVAC unit mounted above.  A
> total deconstruct would be needed.
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 10:54 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>
>> The quote I’m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I’m told will draw
>> close to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed,
>> the main cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I
>> didn’t consider under the v-berth as there’s a lot of storage that I use
>> down there and, as far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a
>> challenge.
>>
>> As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a
>> challenge and I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and
>> wiring interfering with engine access. I’d be interested in seeing a
>> diagram as to how you ran your lines.
>>
>> The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there,
>> but that’s quite a long run, is it not?
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>>
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> 2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the
>> V-berth and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had
>> one under the V-berth.
>>
>> Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the
>> flush water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed
>> feelings about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.
>>
>> I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and
>> look for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a
>> challenge.  Ducting just doesn't fit.
>>
>> I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Listers,
>>>
>>> Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the
>>> main and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand
>>> it, the expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more
>>> reliable than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).
>>>
>>> The

Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread Dreuge via CnC-List 
A better solution would  be to tee off the head intake to the head sink drain 
seacock.  This way you can have a dedicated seacock for the AC water inlet.  

And as a bonus, you will be able to close off the head seacock when you leave, 
run fresh water in the sink, and flush the fresh water through the head inlet 
line.  This will eliminate much of any head stink (which many folks think is 
due to the holding tank, but is in fact seawater anaerobic decay).

In any event, use a big strainer with a good basket.  I use a Groco ARG-750 
with a Monel basket (Monel metal is better than Stainless 316 for fast flowing 
water, but it costs more).

I got my strainer from Flagship Marine when I purchased their FM16R 16,500 BTU 
AC unit.  I liked the Groco strainer so much that I replace my engine strainer 
with the same unit and also purchased it from Flagship Marine as they had the 
best price(~$100).   

link to my blog on removing seawater stink via the head tee off:
 http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2018/08/getting-fresh-water-into-head.html 
<http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2018/08/getting-fresh-water-into-head.html>

link to my blog on AC installation:
http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/AirConWork 
<http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/search/label/AirConWork> 



-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:22 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
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> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 09:57:44 -0400
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> To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw
>   Water Supply
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> Listers,
> 
> Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
> and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
> expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
> than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous). 
> 
> The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker. 
> 
> Until I haul the boat again, which I don?t plan to do for another four years 
> or so, I don?t have a dedicated through-hull. I?ve heard it?s not a good idea 
> to tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. 
> Any issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I?d need to refrain from 
> dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals 
> don?t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?
> 
> Also, I?m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so 
> bad. The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it?s not like I?m going to have the engine 
> running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt 
> inverter and high-capacity alternator? 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
> 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/ 
> <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/>>
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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Oh yeah, I think when the AC was installed that they added a 30 shore power
inlets.  I have 2 directly next to one another.  Since I would rather not
run 2 shore power cables I found a 30 amp 2 to 1 y-adapter.  Both my inlets
are powered by a single 30 amp cord.  I've never blown the breaker.  I
don't typically have the water heater on - ever.  When I go to use the HVAC
the batteries have normally been fully charged.  I'm not running large
heaters (space heater or hair dryers).  And I can't recall using the
microwave simultaneously with the HVAC.  I've always been a little
surprised that the setup has never tripped the dock breaker but I have no
idea what the load is and I'm not complaining.

Josh

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 11:14 AM bwhitmore via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi Edd,
>
> I've been off this list for a while, and couldn't get back on, but now I
> seem to be getting the posts regularly
>   I am happy to take some more photos and send them to you.  Our raw water
> pulls from a separate dedicated seacock in the aft of the engine
> compartment.  You could more easily tie to the engine raw water intake but
> I don't know if that would be advisable if the engine and A/C were run
> simultaneously.  As for shore power. We only have one 30 amp connection,
> but can blow the circuit breaker rarely when we get on the boat and
> simultaneously start up the A/C, hot water heater, battery charger and plug
> in something in to the 110 v. system.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Bruce Whitmore
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
> -- I'm-- Original message 
> From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
> Date: 9/19/19 10:00 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: "Della Barba, Joe" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw
> Water Supply
>
> You will want a separate shore power cord for the AC if it draws 25 amps,
> don’t try and use the existing shore power.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Edd
> Schillay via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:54 AM
> *To:* Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> *Cc:* Edd Schillay 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation
> Questions -- Raw Water Supply
>
>
>
> Josh,
>
>
>
> The quote I’m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I’m told will draw
> close to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed,
> the main cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I
> didn’t consider under the v-berth as there’s a lot of storage that I use
> down there and, as far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a
> challenge.
>
>
>
> As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a
> challenge and I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and
> wiring interfering with engine access. I’d be interested in seeing a
> diagram as to how you ran your lines.
>
>
>
> The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there,
> but that’s quite a long run, is it not?
>
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Edd
>
>
>
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
>
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
>
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>
>
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> <https://protect2.fireeye.com/url?k=e20cfde1-be9ab541-e20cd496-0cc47adca788-c45b0af4910df62c=1=http%3A%2F%2Fenterpriseb.blogspot.com%2F>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> 2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the
> V-berth and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had
> one under the V-berth.
>
>
>
> Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the
> flush water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed
> feelings about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.
>
>
>
> I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and
> look for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a
> challenge.  Ducting just doesn't fit.
>
>
>
> I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Josh Muckley
>
> S/V Sea Hawk
>
> 1989 C 37+
>
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Listers,
>
>
>
> Yesterday, I met with an AC installer o

Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread bwhitmore via CnC-List 
Ours is under the stairs as well,  with vents forward to the galley area and 
aft to the stern berth.  It works well, but feels a little undersized.  We use 
the stern berth all the time, and only occasionally have guests in the V.Sent 
from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 Date: 9/19/19  9:45 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: C List 
 Cc: Josh Muckley  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply 2 
installation locations that you may want to consider are under the V-berth and 
under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had one under the 
V-berth.Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the 
flush water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed 
feelings about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.I 
find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and look for 
variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a challenge.  
Ducting just doesn't fit.I look forward to hearing how your solution works 
cause I need to upgrade.Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+Solomons, MD On 
Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:Listers,Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool 
off the main and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I 
understand it, the expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far 
more reliable than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous). The 
plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker. Until I haul the 
boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or so, I don’t have 
a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to tee off of the 
engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any issues with 
tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from dumping chemicals 
into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals don’t go through 
the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?Also, I’m a little perplexed 
as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. The AC is 110V AC-powered, 
so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine running and the AC going at the 
same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter and high-capacity alternator? 
All the best,EddEdd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail 
No: NCC-1701-BVenice Yacht Club | Venice, FLStarship Enterprise's Captain's Log 

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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
"Long run" depends on where you put the unit and more importantly where you
put the water pump.  Mine being under the stairs means that the head only
adds about 5 feet - I guess - of hose.  Of course there is room under the
sink to put the pump in the  head too.

Truth be told, I didn't run my lines.  The PO did.  I have never really dug
into the specifics of how the wired or hoses go.  When I see it I know but
can really recall.

IIRC, I seem the think the power comes directly from the lazarett where the
power plug(s) are located.  And runs under the fuel tank to the engine
compartment then up along one of the corner supports through the ceiling of
the engine compartment to the HVAC compartment.  During the install the PO
built in wooden walls to house the HVAC unit.

The hoses come from one of the three thru-hulls at the base of the stairs.
The pump sits just forward of the engine and straddles the athwartship
stringer.  I need to install a vent since the pump doesn't self-prime.  The
discharge from the pump leads stbd to the forward corner engine compartment
support and then up through the compartment ceiling.  Water leaving the
HVAC goes out the same path the power comes in.  There is a discharge port
in the hull near the transom.

The only engine access concern for me would be in the event of an engine
replacement since the "ceiling" would have an HVAC unit mounted above.  A
total deconstruct would be needed.

Josh




On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 10:54 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Josh,
>
> The quote I’m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I’m told will draw
> close to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed,
> the main cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I
> didn’t consider under the v-berth as there’s a lot of storage that I use
> down there and, as far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a
> challenge.
>
> As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a
> challenge and I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and
> wiring interfering with engine access. I’d be interested in seeing a
> diagram as to how you ran your lines.
>
> The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there,
> but that’s quite a long run, is it not?
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the
> V-berth and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had
> one under the V-berth.
>
> Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the
> flush water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed
> feelings about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.
>
> I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and
> look for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a
> challenge.  Ducting just doesn't fit.
>
> I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the
>> main and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand
>> it, the expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more
>> reliable than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).
>>
>> The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.
>>
>> Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four
>> years or so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a
>> good idea to tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink
>> drain nearby. Any issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need
>> to refrain from dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so
>> as those chemicals don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with
>> that plan?
>>
>> Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is
>> so bad. The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the
>> engine running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my
>> 2000-Watt inverter and high-capacity alternator?
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>>
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread bwhitmore via CnC-List 
Hi Edd, I've been off this list for a while, and couldn't get back on, but now 
I seem to be getting the posts regularly  I am happy to take some more photos 
and send them to you.  Our raw water pulls from a separate dedicated seacock in 
the aft of the engine compartment.  You could more easily tie to the engine raw 
water intake but I don't know if that would be advisable if the engine and A/C 
were run simultaneously.  As for shore power. We only have one 30 amp 
connection, but can blow the circuit breaker rarely when we get on the boat and 
simultaneously start up the A/C, hot water heater, battery charger and plug in 
something in to the 110 v. system.Hope this helps, Bruce Whitmore Sent from my 
Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-- I'm-- Original message From: "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
 Date: 9/19/19  10:00 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply 

You will want a separate shore power cord for the AC if it draws 25 amps, don’t 
try and use the existing shore power.

Joe
Coquina
 


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On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:54 AM
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- 
Raw Water Supply


 
Josh,

 


The quote I’m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I’m told will draw close 
to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed, the main 
cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I didn’t consider
 under the v-berth as there’s a lot of storage that I use down there and, as 
far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a challenge. 


 


As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a challenge and 
I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and wiring 
interfering with engine access. I’d be interested in seeing a diagram as to how 
you ran
 your lines. 


 


The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there, but 
that’s quite a long run, is it not? 


 





All the best,


 


Edd


 


 


Edd M. Schillay


Captain of the Starship Enterprise


C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B


Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL


 



Starship Enterprise's
 Captain's Log


 








    


 









 

On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
wrote:

 


2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the V-berth 
and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had one under the 
V-berth.

 


Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the flush 
water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed feelings 
about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.


 


I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and look 
for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a challenge.  
Ducting just doesn't fit.


 


I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.


 


Josh Muckley 


S/V Sea Hawk 


1989 C 37+


Solomons, MD 


 


 


 


On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:



Listers,

 


Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
than, say,
 David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous). 


 


The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker. 


 


Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or 
so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to 
tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any 
issues
 with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from dumping 
chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals don’t go 
through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?


 


Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. 
The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine 
running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter 
and
 high-capacity alternator? 





All the best,


 


Edd


 


 


Edd M. Schillay


Captain of the Starship Enterprise


C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B


Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL


 



Starship Enterprise's
 Captain's Log


 












 








 


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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
You will want a separate shore power cord for the AC if it draws 25 amps, don’t 
try and use the existing shore power.
Joe
Coquina

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via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:54 AM
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- 
Raw Water Supply

Josh,

The quote I’m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I’m told will draw close 
to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed, the main 
cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I didn’t 
consider under the v-berth as there’s a lot of storage that I use down there 
and, as far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a challenge.

As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a challenge and 
I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and wiring 
interfering with engine access. I’d be interested in seeing a diagram as to how 
you ran your lines.

The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there, but 
that’s quite a long run, is it not?


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

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Log<https://protect2.fireeye.com/url?k=e20cfde1-be9ab541-e20cd496-0cc47adca788-c45b0af4910df62c=1=http%3A%2F%2Fenterpriseb.blogspot.com%2F>












On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the V-berth 
and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had one under the 
V-berth.

Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the flush 
water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed feelings 
about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.

I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and look 
for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a challenge.  
Ducting just doesn't fit.

I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Listers,

Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).

The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.

Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or 
so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to 
tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any 
issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from 
dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals 
don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?

Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. 
The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine 
running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter 
and high-capacity alternator?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread Ken Heaton via CnC-List 
Our AC is under the stairs, above the engine.  I'm not sure of the size but
it works fine for us.  I'll look to see if I have photos of it.

Ken H.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 11:54, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Josh,
>
> The quote I’m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I’m told will draw
> close to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed,
> the main cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I
> didn’t consider under the v-berth as there’s a lot of storage that I use
> down there and, as far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a
> challenge.
>
> As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a
> challenge and I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and
> wiring interfering with engine access. I’d be interested in seeing a
> diagram as to how you ran your lines.
>
> The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there,
> but that’s quite a long run, is it not?
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the
> V-berth and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had
> one under the V-berth.
>
> Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the
> flush water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed
> feelings about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.
>
> I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and
> look for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a
> challenge.  Ducting just doesn't fit.
>
> I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>>
>> Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the
>> main and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand
>> it, the expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more
>> reliable than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).
>>
>> The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.
>>
>> Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four
>> years or so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a
>> good idea to tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink
>> drain nearby. Any issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need
>> to refrain from dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so
>> as those chemicals don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with
>> that plan?
>>
>> Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is
>> so bad. The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the
>> engine running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my
>> 2000-Watt inverter and high-capacity alternator?
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Edd
>>
>>
>> Edd M. Schillay
>> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
>> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>>
>> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
This is all *very* dependent on the individual boat and exactly how the hoses 
are run and how far underwater the intake is. I tried to T my head intake to 
the head sink drain and it was a fail. The thru-hull wasn’t deep enough and 
head just ended up sucking air.
My wash-down pump T’s off the engine intake and this has never caused an issue. 
Factors in my favor is the engine intake is deeper, the pump is up high – way 
higher than the engine, and it has check valves that should prevent air going 
the other direction.
One challenge with AC pumps is usually they can’t suck water any distance and 
need to be down below the water line to work. I would put a high loop someplace 
on the output side of the AC pump to make it harder for air to make it back 
down the line. I saw one boat at our marina that avoided all these issues by 
running the dock hose through the AC instead of using a pump.

Joe
Coquina

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Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 10:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: cenel...@aol.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- 
Raw Water Supply

My ac has been T’d off the engine cooling thru-hull for 24+ years without 
issues—save for a small sea snake who managed to get into the ac cooling tube 
but not thru the strainer in the tube!

In addition to a small strainer in the ac line (after the T of course), I have 
a valve to shut off cooling water to the ac when motoring.

Only thing I might do differently is to T off the engine cooling line after the 
Groco water strainer which may have prevented the snake clogging the flow—and 
save a few pieces of my heart muscle!

OTOH, this approach may lead to other problems and since my setup has done well 
for so long I have no desire to mess with it!

BTW, if I forget to close the valve in the ac line while motoring, I have never 
seen my Beta 28 overheat as a result—although I try to close it ‘religiously’ 
when motoring.

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36XL/kcb
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On Thursday, September 19, 2019, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Listers,

Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).

The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.

Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or 
so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to 
tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any 
issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from 
dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals 
don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?

Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. 
The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine 
running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter 
and high-capacity alternator?

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Josh,

The quote I’m getting is for a 16,500BTU unit, which I’m told will draw close 
to 25 amp when fully working. The installer claims, once installed, the main 
cabin will be comfortable and the aft cabin will be VERY cold. I didn’t 
consider under the v-berth as there’s a lot of storage that I use down there 
and, as far as I can tell, venting the other cabins will be a challenge. 

As for under the steps, I think getting AC-power there would be a challenge and 
I have concerns, though probably unwarranted, about hoses and wiring 
interfering with engine access. I’d be interested in seeing a diagram as to how 
you ran your lines. 

The head uses a sea-water intake, so I suppose I could tee off of there, but 
that’s quite a long run, is it not? 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 











On Sep 19, 2019, at 10:45 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
wrote:

2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the V-berth 
and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had one under the 
V-berth.

Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the flush 
water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed feelings 
about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.

I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and look 
for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a challenge.  
Ducting just doesn't fit.

I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.

Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk 
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD 



On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Listers,

Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous). 

The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker. 

Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or 
so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to 
tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any 
issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from 
dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals 
don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?

Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. 
The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine 
running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter 
and high-capacity alternator? 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 











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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
2 installation locations that you may want to consider are under the
V-berth and under the stairs.  Ours is under the stairs.  Blue Pearl had
one under the V-berth.

Since I have a Vacu-flush head from the PO it left a thru-hull for the
flush water unused.  That might be and option.  A lot of owners have mixed
feelings about the V-berth sink.  You might consider that as an option too.

I find that our 16,000BTU unit is undersized.  Go as big as possible and
look for variable speed compressor and blower.  Air distribution is a
challenge.  Ducting just doesn't fit.

I look forward to hearing how your solution works cause I need to upgrade.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
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> Listers,
>
> Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the
> main and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand
> it, the expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more
> reliable than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).
>
> The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.
>
> Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four
> years or so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a
> good idea to tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink
> drain nearby. Any issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need
> to refrain from dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so
> as those chemicals don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with
> that plan?
>
> Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so
> bad. The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the
> engine running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my
> 2000-Watt inverter and high-capacity alternator?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
Edd,,

It is simple. Unless you install a cut off valve in the teed line off the
raw water entail, the engine's raw water pump will suck the water out of
the HVAC water line. When that happens you will have air in the intake line
and your engine will over heat, etc. all sorts of bad things will then
happen. Air is easier to for the pump to suck than water.

Been there & done that, so we built a manifold system to prove water from 1
intake for the both the engine and HVAC water pump. However, I have to
close the valve for the HVAC side when running the engine and visa versa.
It works, but is sometime a PITA

Good luck

Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
Fitzgerald Forwarding Co. Inc. FMC license no:1966F
S/V HONEY - US12788
C 39TM (1974)
Savannah, GA

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 9:58 AM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the
> main and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand
> it, the expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more
> reliable than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous).
>
> The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker.
>
> Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four
> years or so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a
> good idea to tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink
> drain nearby. Any issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need
> to refrain from dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so
> as those chemicals don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with
> that plan?
>
> Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so
> bad. The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the
> engine running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my
> 2000-Watt inverter and high-capacity alternator?
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
My ac has been T’d off the engine cooling thru-hull for 24+ years without 
issues—save for a small sea snake who managed to get into the ac cooling tube 
but not thru the strainer in the tube! 
In addition to a small strainer in the ac line (after the T of course), I have 
a valve to shut off cooling water to the ac when motoring.
Only thing I might do differently is to T off the engine cooling line after the 
Groco water strainer which may have prevented the snake clogging the flow—and 
save a few pieces of my heart muscle!
OTOH, this approach may lead to other problems and since my setup has done well 
for so long I have no desire to mess with it!
BTW, if I forget to close the valve in the ac line while motoring, I have never 
seen my Beta 28 overheat as a result—although I try to close it ‘religiously’ 
when motoring. 
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36XL/kcb

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 On Thursday, September 19, 2019, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Listers,
Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous). 
The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker. 
Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or 
so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to 
tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any 
issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from 
dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals 
don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?
Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. 
The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine 
running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter 
and high-capacity alternator? 

All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayCaptain of the Starship EnterpriseC 37+ | Sail No: 
NCC-1701-BVenice Yacht Club | Venice, FL
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Stus-List Air Conditioning Installation Questions -- Raw Water Supply

2019-09-19 Thread Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Listers,

Yesterday, I met with an AC installer on the Enterprise to cool off the main 
and aft cabin, as well as fight off mold and mildew (as I understand it, the 
expectation of growth of mold and mildew in this area is far more reliable 
than, say, David Risch actually attending a C Rendezvous). 

The plan is to sacrifice some of the aft-cabin hanging locker. 

Until I haul the boat again, which I don’t plan to do for another four years or 
so, I don’t have a dedicated through-hull. I’ve heard it’s not a good idea to 
tee off of the engine intake, but there is the galley sink drain nearby. Any 
issues with tee-ing off of that one? Obviously, I’d need to refrain from 
dumping chemicals into the sink while the AC is running so as those chemicals 
don’t go through the AC. Anyone know of any issues with that plan?

Also, I’m a little perplexed as to why tee-ing off the engine intake is so bad. 
The AC is 110V AC-powered, so it’s not like I’m going to have the engine 
running and the AC going at the same time? Or can I with my 2000-Watt inverter 
and high-capacity alternator? 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice, FL

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