Re: Stus-List Appropriate safety gear for a trip to Boston

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

All of the advice given is good.  I don't have a Life Raft but there was 
no question about an Epirb.  I also sail with my dinghy fully inflated 
on the foredeck, with snap releases on the tie downs, and the painter 
snapped to a padeye so it won't blow away in bad conditions.


Speaking of tying things down, I was sailing through the same stuff as 
J-World on the 2009 haha when she hit a whale, and one thing I remember 
from that is that they tossed the ditch bag on deck and it promptly blew 
overboard.  So I have a tether on my ditch bag.


Knowing and trusting your boat is important.  I've been at the helm at 
night with whitecaps as high as my spreaders, looking back and saying 
the eff word, but never felt that the boat couldn't handle it.


The weather window thing is important, too.  If that little voice in 
your head says 'no' then wait.


I think it's your call.  I wouldn't cross an ocean without a life raft, 
because I read that book about the guy who spent 72 days alone in a life 
raft and that really sounded like fun.  That's why I still have my 
fluorescent kayak attached to the dink when off shore.  It hurts my back 
and I haven't used it in years, but it's unsinkable and highly visible.


There's a part of me that's a bit fatalistic, and if the boat goes down 
with everything I own on board then I figure I should just go too.  On 
the other hand, I've been close to death more than twice and every time 
I was thinking 'no, not now, I'm not ready, I just thought I was. I want 
to LIVE'  


Wal

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Re: Stus-List Appropriate safety gear for a trip to Boston

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Safety is your call, Captain. I personally enjoy the comfort of having a real 
life raft on board no matter how close to shore I am and an EPIRB is never a 
bad thing if you find yourself in it or in your inflatable after having the 
boat knocked out from under you. One thing to consider is the water temps up 
here in June are pretty cold. Commercial guys are required to have survival 
suits even in the summer. An unplanned swim that time of year can be pretty 
dangerous, even a mile from shore.  

 

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Advice please. I'm taklng Pegathy from Baltimore to Boston and back in June. 
I've got an 8 foot inflatable, a gps based plb (McMurdo FastFind 210), and a 
new VHF with an AIS receiver. The only offshore planned is from Cape May to 
Block Island. Everything else will be close to shore. Do I need to bother with 
a life raft and/or a real epirb?

 

Dan Sheer

Pegathy LF 38 

Rock Creek off the Patapsco

 

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Re: Stus-List Appropriate safety gear for a trip to Boston

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I asked a friend who has done the trip a number of times and he agrees with 
Tim. If your inflatable is on deck or davits and ready to go - equipped with a 
ditch bag and radio - plus your personal locator - and a good radio with a high 
antenna you should be OK. I would assume you have a good way to launch it. And 
NO SCHEDULE! Have wiggle room so you don't find yourselves out there like the 
two idiots who had to be rescued a couple of weeks ago when the weather 
clobbered them.

All the safety stuff - jack lines, harnesses etc. is necessary... You will be 
out there at night in traffic! When we did the NY to Chesapeake trip on his 
boat we didn't worry about fuel (motorsailer with two huge tanks) but you 
should have enough to last the longest leg you might have to motor plus a good 
reserve - we motorsailed almost all the way from Staten Island to Cape May.

All of this assumes you have a C&C which is in good repair.

Gary


  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
  To: Della Barba, Joe ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 3:17 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Appropriate safety gear for a trip to Boston


  Personally, I would not consider a raft for that trip - if you are able to 
plan based on weather rather than a fixed schedule, know and have maintained 
your boat well and the dinghy is inflated, not rolled up in a locker somewhere. 
 A stop in NYC would mean coastal sailing all the way.


  +1 on jacklines, harnesses and life jackets.  You may also want to check 
sleeping arrangements (lee cloths) if you don't sail overnight often and extra 
diesel in case of no wind.  I made that trip a few years back (not my boat) and 
we entered Great Salt Pond with the dinghy strapped to the quarter as a tug...


  Tim
  Mojito
  C&C 35-3
  Branford, CT


  On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:

An EPIRB is nice, but a PLB is certainly good enough to get help.

As for the raft – if it were a race you would need one. The first time I 
did that route our “raft” was a Dyer dinghy on the cabin top.  This was in 1976 
when safety was not really a thing like it is now. We would have been totally 
f’d if the boat had sunk in anything but flat calm.

I would think through the following:

1.   Fire

2.   Extreme weather

3.   Getting run over

4.   Structural failure/massive leak



Think about how well the dinghy would do for these problems. I think #2 is 
not real likely, but 1 and 3 would not be good unless the dinghy was ready to 
go.



Joe Della Barba

Coquina



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Advice please. I'm taklng Pegathy from Baltimore to Boston and back in 
June. I've got an 8 foot inflatable, a gps based plb (McMurdo FastFind 210), 
and a new VHF with an AIS receiver. The only offshore planned is from Cape May 
to Block Island. Everything else will be close to shore. Do I need to bother 
with a life raft and/or a real epirb?



Dan Sheer

Pegathy LF 38 

Rock Creek off the Patapsco




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Re: Stus-List Appropriate safety gear for a trip to Boston

[Tim Goodyear via CnC-List]

Personally, I would not consider a raft for that trip - if you are able to
plan based on weather rather than a fixed schedule, know and have
maintained your boat well and the dinghy is inflated, not rolled up in a
locker somewhere.  A stop in NYC would mean coastal sailing all the way.

+1 on jacklines, harnesses and life jackets.  You may also want to check
sleeping arrangements (lee cloths) if you don't sail overnight often and
extra diesel in case of no wind.  I made that trip a few years back (not my
boat) and we entered Great Salt Pond with the dinghy strapped to the
quarter as a tug...

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  An EPIRB is nice, but a PLB is certainly good enough to get help.
>
> As for the raft – if it were a race you would need one. The first time I
> did that route our “raft” was a Dyer dinghy on the cabin top.  This was in
> 1976 when safety was not really a thing like it is now. We would have been
> totally f’d if the boat had sunk in anything but flat calm.
>
> I would think through the following:
>
> 1.   Fire
>
> 2.   Extreme weather
>
> 3.   Getting run over
>
> 4.   Structural failure/massive leak
>
>
>
> Think about how well the dinghy would do for these problems. I think #2 is
> not real likely, but 1 and 3 would not be good unless the dinghy was ready
> to go.
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel
> Sheer via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:44 PM
> *To:* Cnc-list CNC Boat Owners
> *Subject:* Stus-List Appropriate safety gear for a trip to Boston
>
>
>
> Advice please. I'm taklng Pegathy from Baltimore to Boston and back in
> June. I've got an 8 foot inflatable, a gps based plb (McMurdo FastFind
> 210), and a new VHF with an AIS receiver. The only offshore planned is from
> Cape May to Block Island. Everything else will be close to shore. Do I need
> to bother with a life raft and/or a real epirb?
>
>
>
> Dan Sheer
>
> Pegathy LF 38
>
> Rock Creek off the Patapsco
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Appropriate safety gear for a trip to Boston

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I would say a raft is an option if you have the dinghy. I would have an EPIRB. 
In that area rescue is going to be pretty quick if you need it. I would also 
have a waterproof handheld VHF handy so you can direct the search.
The best safety equipment you can get is the patience to await a good forecast. 
The worst thing is to have ANY kind of schedule.
Personally, I almost always got up the beach along the NJ coast, through NYC 
and then down Long Island sound. It's a nice ride, gives you lots of options if 
the weather goes sour, avoids drunk fishermen at night in the shipping lanes, 
and is only a few hours more distance.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

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> On Mar 12, 2015, at 15:53, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan,
> 
> The inflatable is not safety equipment.  If you are going to wait for good 
> weather, I don't think must have a raft, but it is personal preference.  Vane 
> Bros. in Baltimore will rent you one for $500.  I'd be inclined to rent an 
> EPIRB.  Boat US rents them, and Vane Bros. may as well.  Battery is much more 
> robust then a PLB.
> Jacklines, inflatable PFDs with harnesses are a must.  Take a look at the 
> saftey checklist here:
> 
> http://www.yachtscoring.com/event_documents/1121/A2N%20Cert%20of%20Compliance.pdf
> 
> Make your own determination of what level of gear you need.
> 
> Might see you out there during/after the Annapolis/Newport race!
> 
> Joel
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> Advice please. I'm taklng Pegathy from Baltimore to Boston and back in June. 
>> I've got an 8 foot inflatable, a gps based plb (McMurdo FastFind 210), and a 
>> new VHF with an AIS receiver. The only offshore planned is from Cape May to 
>> Block Island. Everything else will be close to shore. Do I need to bother 
>> with a life raft and/or a real epirb?
>> 
>> Dan Sheer
>> Pegathy LF 38 
>> Rock Creek off the Patapsco
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Appropriate safety gear for a trip to Boston

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

An EPIRB is nice, but a PLB is certainly good enough to get help.
As for the raft – if it were a race you would need one. The first time I did 
that route our “raft” was a Dyer dinghy on the cabin top.  This was in 1976 
when safety was not really a thing like it is now. We would have been totally 
f’d if the boat had sunk in anything but flat calm.
I would think through the following:

1.   Fire

2.   Extreme weather

3.   Getting run over

4.   Structural failure/massive leak



Think about how well the dinghy would do for these problems. I think #2 is not 
real likely, but 1 and 3 would not be good unless the dinghy was ready to go.



Joe Della Barba

Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Sheer 
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Advice please. I'm taklng Pegathy from Baltimore to Boston and back in June. 
I've got an 8 foot inflatable, a gps based plb (McMurdo FastFind 210), and a 
new VHF with an AIS receiver. The only offshore planned is from Cape May to 
Block Island. Everything else will be close to shore. Do I need to bother with 
a life raft and/or a real epirb?

Dan Sheer
Pegathy LF 38
Rock Creek off the Patapsco

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Re: Stus-List Appropriate safety gear for a trip to Boston

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Dan,

The inflatable is not safety equipment.  If you are going to wait for good
weather, I don't think must have a raft, but it is personal preference.
Vane Bros. in Baltimore will rent you one for $500.  I'd be inclined to
rent an EPIRB.  Boat US rents them, and Vane Bros. may as well.  Battery is
much more robust then a PLB.
Jacklines, inflatable PFDs with harnesses are a must.  Take a look at the
saftey checklist here:

http://www.yachtscoring.com/event_documents/1121/A2N%20Cert%20of%20Compliance.pdf

Make your own determination of what level of gear you need.

Might see you out there during/after the Annapolis/Newport race!

Joel

On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Advice please. I'm taklng Pegathy from Baltimore to Boston and back in
> June. I've got an 8 foot inflatable, a gps based plb (McMurdo FastFind
> 210), and a new VHF with an AIS receiver. The only offshore planned is from
> Cape May to Block Island. Everything else will be close to shore. Do I need
> to bother with a life raft and/or a real epirb?
>
> Dan Sheer
> Pegathy LF 38
> Rock Creek off the Patapsco
>
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Re: Stus-List Appropriate safety gear for a trip to Boston

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Dan,

I would. Better safe than sorry. You never know what the Atlantic will be like 
in June. 

And bring a shovel. There may still be snow in Boston come June. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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> On Mar 12, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List 
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> 
> Advice please. I'm taklng Pegathy from Baltimore to Boston and back in June. 
> I've got an 8 foot inflatable, a gps based plb (McMurdo FastFind 210), and a 
> new VHF with an AIS receiver. The only offshore planned is from Cape May to 
> Block Island. Everything else will be close to shore. Do I need to bother 
> with a life raft and/or a real epirb?
> 
> Dan Sheer
> Pegathy LF 38 
> Rock Creek off the Patapsco
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Stus-List Appropriate safety gear for a trip to Boston

[Daniel Sheer via CnC-List]

Advice please. I'm taklng Pegathy from Baltimore to Boston and back in June. 
I've got an 8 foot inflatable, a gps based plb (McMurdo FastFind 210), and a 
new VHF with an AIS receiver. The only offshore planned is from Cape May to 
Block Island. Everything else will be close to shore. Do I need to bother with 
a life raft and/or a real epirb?
Dan SheerPegathy LF 38 
Rock Creek off the Patapsco
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