Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

I picked up a Johnson Controls group 31 AGM a year ago, a friend picked up 3 
for his house bank.
The 200 minutes reserve capacity is a plus, as is the bulk charge rate of about 
40 amps in my setup.
A downside is they weigh 71 lbs.

http://www.multivu.com/players/English/7848851-johnson-controls-agm-battery/docs/sell-sheet-1275152047.pdf

I got them at Total Battery on sale for $150 each plus tax and core deposit.

http://webstore.totalbattery.com/product-p/agm31p-825.htm

I doubt they are worth the $422 list price.

Costco is now carrying the JCI group 24 for I think around $166.


On long distance races it has no problems lasting 24+ hours running 
instruments, LED running lights, cabin
lights, VHF and occasional Autohelm ( legal under Loor SIs ). The previous West 
Marine group 24 would last
about 12 hours.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1

 






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Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time

[detroito91 via CnC-List]

Doug...where do yo find the room to put 6 +1 batteries on the landfall? I had a 
hard time fitting 3 + 1 under the quarter berth.Jim schwartzSEA YA!1981 38 
lfWashington nc 


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 Original message From: svpegasus38 via CnC-List 
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cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: svpegasus38 <svpegasu...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Battery replacement time 
I too am looking to replace my batteries. Current ones are group 27 agm's that 
have been in use since before 2003 when 2 owners ago installed them. I have 6 
house and 1 starting. Due to the location I have to stick with the AGM's. I 
will be following this thread, and chiming in if I find any good information.  


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Significant Other LF39 
 Original message From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 7/9/17  09:48  (GMT-08:00) To: CnClist 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Battery replacement time 
Every boater has an opinion on batteries.  I've been using Delco Voyager wet 
cell batteries for almost 20 years.  Usually get 7-8 years life.  Except for 
the spill prevention aspect of AGMs, I think the Voyagers offer the most bang 
for the buck.  The pro fishermen like them also.
On the other hand, I just replaced the battery in my truck this morning.  
Advance Auto Motorcraft brand.  Didn't last 24 months.  Had to go through the 
idle relearn hassle.  Pain in the butt.  If it hadn't been a free replacement, 
I'd have switched the truck to Delco batteries.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 11:28 AM, tim via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Hi, Its time for battery replacement.  I am presently using Interstate #31 Deep 
cell (2 house, 1 for start).  Looking to go AGM route and seeking advice for 
which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity for the money. 
 Leaning toward Lifeline after some research.  Very open to other 
recommendations based on experience.  I use a couple solar cells for trickle 
charging as on a mooring. Thanks for your advice. Tim29’ Mk1Malletts Bay, VTSV 
Sly Fox
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Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time

[William Walker via CnC-List]

What impact does requirement of ISAF that batteries be of type that cannot leak 
electrolyte...does this require agm or gel for racers?  Or are wet cell Sealed 
sufficiently to comply?  I read to require agm or gel after 1/2012.. 
Bill Walker 
CnC 36
Pentwater, Mi

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On Sunday, July 9, 2017 Dennis C. via CnC-List  wrote:

Every boater has an opinion on batteries.  I've been using Delco Voyager wet 
cell batteries for almost 20 years.  Usually get 7-8 years life.  Except for 
the spill prevention aspect of AGMs, I think the Voyagers offer the most bang 
for the buck.  The pro fishermen like them also.


On the other hand, I just replaced the battery in my truck this morning.  
Advance Auto Motorcraft brand.  Didn't last 24 months.  Had to go through the 
idle relearn hassle.  Pain in the butt.  If it hadn't been a free replacement, 
I'd have switched the truck to Delco batteries.


Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA


On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 11:28 AM, tim via CnC-List  wrote:

Hi,

 

Its time for battery replacement.  I am presently using Interstate #31 Deep 
cell (2 house, 1 for start).  Looking to go AGM route and seeking advice for 
which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity for the money. 
 Leaning toward Lifeline after some research.  Very open to other 
recommendations based on experience.  I use a couple solar cells for trickle 
charging as on a mooring.

 

Thanks for your advice.

 

Tim

29’ Mk1

Malletts Bay, VT

SV Sly Fox


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Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

When considering anything other than lead acid wet cells keep in mind that
all of your charging systems (alternator, solar, wind, and shore power)
will need to be properly setup for the alternative technology and
chemistry.  Wet cells aren't perfect but they offer a tremendous value and
make things very easy in terms of compatability.

Josh

On Jul 9, 2017 1:15 PM, "Persuasion37 via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Tim
>
> When I bought Persuasion in '05 she had 2- Group 4D Lifeline batteries has
> house batteries.  Served me very well.  In  2014 I replaced them in kind.
> Very happy with Lifeline and didn't find the price off putting
>
> Mike
> PERSUASION
> C 37 K/CB
> Long Sault
>
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 12:28 PM, tim via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Its time for battery replacement.  I am presently using Interstate #31
> Deep cell (2 house, 1 for start).  Looking to go AGM route and seeking
> advice for which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity
> for the money.  Leaning toward Lifeline after some research.  Very open to
> other recommendations based on experience.  I use a couple solar cells for
> trickle charging as on a mooring.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your advice.
>
>
>
> Tim
>
> 29’ Mk1
>
> Malletts Bay, VT
>
> SV Sly Fox
>
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Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Here is another thing to consider when redesigning/replacing your
batteries.  The orientation of wet cells can affect their longevity.

http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/flooded_battery_orientation

Josh

On Jul 9, 2017 1:15 PM, "Persuasion37 via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Tim
>
> When I bought Persuasion in '05 she had 2- Group 4D Lifeline batteries has
> house batteries.  Served me very well.  In  2014 I replaced them in kind.
> Very happy with Lifeline and didn't find the price off putting
>
> Mike
> PERSUASION
> C 37 K/CB
> Long Sault
>
> On Jul 9, 2017, at 12:28 PM, tim via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Its time for battery replacement.  I am presently using Interstate #31
> Deep cell (2 house, 1 for start).  Looking to go AGM route and seeking
> advice for which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity
> for the money.  Leaning toward Lifeline after some research.  Very open to
> other recommendations based on experience.  I use a couple solar cells for
> trickle charging as on a mooring.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your advice.
>
>
>
> Tim
>
> 29’ Mk1
>
> Malletts Bay, VT
>
> SV Sly Fox
>
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Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

Tim

When I bought Persuasion in '05 she had 2- Group 4D Lifeline batteries has 
house batteries.  Served me very well.  In  2014 I replaced them in kind.  Very 
happy with Lifeline and didn't find the price off putting

Mike
PERSUASION
C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Jul 9, 2017, at 12:28 PM, tim via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>  
> Its time for battery replacement.  I am presently using Interstate #31 Deep 
> cell (2 house, 1 for start).  Looking to go AGM route and seeking advice for 
> which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity for the 
> money.  Leaning toward Lifeline after some research.  Very open to other 
> recommendations based on experience.  I use a couple solar cells for trickle 
> charging as on a mooring.
>  
> Thanks for your advice.
>  
> Tim
> 29’ Mk1
> Malletts Bay, VT
> SV Sly Fox
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Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Maine sailor has his opinions and a great write up here:
http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/deep_cycle_battery

There is a pretty solid concensus that better batteries weigh more.  If you
are looking to source from a conventional store then find the heaviest
battery at the best price.

AGMs are better for charge rate and lack of spilling but they have limited
maintenance options.  You can't equilize or water.

I chose Trojan T -105REs.  6v golf cart batteries made to be resilient to
the effects of renewable energy charging practices.  They also have a
watering kit which makes watering super easy.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Jul 9, 2017 12:29 PM, "tim via CnC-List"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> Its time for battery replacement.  I am presently using Interstate #31
> Deep cell (2 house, 1 for start).  Looking to go AGM route and seeking
> advice for which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity
> for the money.  Leaning toward Lifeline after some research.  Very open to
> other recommendations based on experience.  I use a couple solar cells for
> trickle charging as on a mooring.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your advice.
>
>
>
> Tim
>
> 29’ Mk1
>
> Malletts Bay, VT
>
> SV Sly Fox
>
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Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time

[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

I too am looking to replace my batteries. Current ones are group 27 agm's that 
have been in use since before 2003 when 2 owners ago installed them. I have 6 
house and 1 starting. Due to the location I have to stick with the AGM's. I 
will be following this thread, and chiming in if I find any good information.  


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus (for sale)Lf38 
Significant Other LF39 
 Original message From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 7/9/17  09:48  (GMT-08:00) To: CnClist 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Battery replacement time 
Every boater has an opinion on batteries.  I've been using Delco Voyager wet 
cell batteries for almost 20 years.  Usually get 7-8 years life.  Except for 
the spill prevention aspect of AGMs, I think the Voyagers offer the most bang 
for the buck.  The pro fishermen like them also.
On the other hand, I just replaced the battery in my truck this morning.  
Advance Auto Motorcraft brand.  Didn't last 24 months.  Had to go through the 
idle relearn hassle.  Pain in the butt.  If it hadn't been a free replacement, 
I'd have switched the truck to Delco batteries.
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 11:28 AM, tim via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Hi, Its time for battery replacement.  I am presently using Interstate #31 Deep 
cell (2 house, 1 for start).  Looking to go AGM route and seeking advice for 
which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity for the money. 
 Leaning toward Lifeline after some research.  Very open to other 
recommendations based on experience.  I use a couple solar cells for trickle 
charging as on a mooring. Thanks for your advice. Tim29’ Mk1Malletts Bay, VTSV 
Sly Fox
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Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

IMHO gels are superior to AGM if you have the correct charging systems for
them. If you do go AGM, *by far* the cheapest way is getting GRP 31 AGMs
from Sam's Club. They are relabeled Dekas and thus identical to West Marine
AGMs for literally half the price. Lifeline will be a LOT more money and
unless you are really on top of the special AGM requirements, won't last
very long anyway.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of tim via
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: tim <hobie1...@comcast.net>
Subject: Stus-List Battery replacement time

 

Hi,

 

Its time for battery replacement.  I am presently using Interstate #31 Deep
cell (2 house, 1 for start).  Looking to go AGM route and seeking advice for
which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity for the
money.  Leaning toward Lifeline after some research.  Very open to other
recommendations based on experience.  I use a couple solar cells for trickle
charging as on a mooring.

 

Thanks for your advice.

 

Tim

29' Mk1

Malletts Bay, VT

SV Sly Fox

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Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Every boater has an opinion on batteries.  I've been using Delco Voyager
wet cell batteries for almost 20 years.  Usually get 7-8 years life.
Except for the spill prevention aspect of AGMs, I think the Voyagers offer
the most bang for the buck.  The pro fishermen like them also.

On the other hand, I just replaced the battery in my truck this morning.
Advance Auto Motorcraft brand.  Didn't last 24 months.  Had to go through
the idle relearn hassle.  Pain in the butt.  If it hadn't been a free
replacement, I'd have switched the truck to Delco batteries.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 11:28 AM, tim via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> Its time for battery replacement.  I am presently using Interstate #31
> Deep cell (2 house, 1 for start).  Looking to go AGM route and seeking
> advice for which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity
> for the money.  Leaning toward Lifeline after some research.  Very open to
> other recommendations based on experience.  I use a couple solar cells for
> trickle charging as on a mooring.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your advice.
>
>
>
> Tim
>
> 29’ Mk1
>
> Malletts Bay, VT
>
> SV Sly Fox
>
> ___
>
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