Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

The weak link in the system is the Fortress anchor—not the bow roller.

I don’t think one has to worry about side loading using a Fortress anchor.  I 
have a 23-lb Fortress I use as a backup anchor but I wouldn’t rely on one as an 
every-day anchor, particularly in soft mud.  I always run my anchor line over 
my bow rollers and haven’t had a problem in the 32 years I’ve owned my Landfall 
38 and I’ve been anchored in some bad situations.  I do use a bridle when high 
winds are anticipated.  

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Presently in Charleston SC for the winter)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:50 AM, David via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> My understanding is that bow rollers are not designed for continuous shock 
> and side loading )exasperated be leverage) if in tough anchoring situation .  
> If a calm night (things can go wrong quickly however) perhaps leave in 
> roller.  
> 
> Me?  Enough variables in anchoring not to remove this one.  I take it out of 
> the roller to the cleat.   Designed for shock and side loading.
> 
> David F. Risch, J. D.
> Gulf Stream Associates, LLC  
> (401) 419-4650 
> 
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Sam Tunanidas via 
> CnC-List 
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 5:25 PM
> To: Frederick G Street
> Cc: Sam Tunanidas; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38
>  
> Thanks Frederick! I thought that it would be okay but have learned never to 
> assume especially on the water! Do you use anything to keep the line from 
> jumping the roller or has that not been a problem? Thank you, Sam
> 
> On Jan 21, 2019 4:42 PM, "Frederick G Street"  wrote:
> Sam — I typically anchor with the line over the roller.  Same sort of setup 
> as you have, but a larger Fortress; and we anchor in sand up in the Apostle 
> Islands.
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Sam Tunanidas via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a Landfall 38 with a double bow roller. I am in the northern 
>> Chesapeake Bay. I only use 10' of chain and the rest is 8 plait anchor line. 
>> The bottom around here is mostly mud and I get incredible holding power from 
>> my Fortress 23. My question is is it okay to just run the line over the bow 
>> roller then cleat it off or should I run the line through one of the 
>> port/starboard bow openings you run your dock lines through? Thanks in 
>> advance to all responders.
> 
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Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38

[David via CnC-List]

My understanding is that bow rollers are not designed for continuous shock and 
side loading )exasperated be leverage) if in tough anchoring situation .  If a 
calm night (things can go wrong quickly however) perhaps leave in roller.

Me?  Enough variables in anchoring not to remove this one.  I take it out of 
the roller to the cleat.   Designed for shock and side loading.


David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Sam Tunanidas via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 5:25 PM
To: Frederick G Street
Cc: Sam Tunanidas; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38

Thanks Frederick! I thought that it would be okay but have learned never to 
assume especially on the water! Do you use anything to keep the line from 
jumping the roller or has that not been a problem? Thank you, Sam

On Jan 21, 2019 4:42 PM, "Frederick G Street" 
mailto:f...@postaudio.net>> wrote:
Sam — I typically anchor with the line over the roller.  Same sort of setup as 
you have, but a larger Fortress; and we anchor in sand up in the Apostle 
Islands.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Jan 21, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Sam Tunanidas via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I have a Landfall 38 with a double bow roller. I am in the northern Chesapeake 
Bay. I only use 10' of chain and the rest is 8 plait anchor line. The bottom 
around here is mostly mud and I get incredible holding power from my Fortress 
23. My question is is it okay to just run the line over the bow roller then 
cleat it off or should I run the line through one of the port/starboard bow 
openings you run your dock lines through? Thanks in advance to all responders.

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Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Over the anchor roller works fine. I recommend more chain, at least
equivalent to the length of your boat if 5/16. Also mark your rode so you
know the ratio of road to water depth 4 times works fine most of the time
but believe 7 times is recommended

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 7:21 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> For an easy night in a secluded gunk hole you can get away with using the
> bow roller to lead the anchor line back to a bow cleat.  I do it all the
> time and sail up and down the Chesapeake.
>
> A better practice is to tie on a snubber line using a rolling hitch or an
> icicle hitch and then run the snubber lines in a vee below the bow roller,
> through the port and stbd fairleads to the bow cleats.  A 10' to 15' piece
> of line can be kept just for this purpose in the anchor locker.  Tie it so
> that the tails are roughly the same length and you cleat them such that the
> hitch stays about halfway between the water and the bow roller.  Ease the
> anchor line so that the load it taken by the snubber lines but not so much
> that it is drooping slack in the water.  In heavy wind and waves the edges
> of the bowroller can start chewing on the anchor line.  The roller also
> presents a lever arm which adds unnecessary stress to the bow.  By creating
> a "bridle" with 2 attachment points you may reduce some yawing in the wind
> and you'll also reduce the risk of a single failure.  In some cases the
> anchor line is too large to fit the bow cleats properly so a snubber
> eliminates that problem.  If you ever upgrade to a bigger boat or one with
> all chain you're going to need to do this method anyway.  If you have a
> windlass now or in the future, you may be tempted to simply leave the load
> on the windlass.  This is a recipe for a damage to the windlass and again
> using the snubber method will prevent problems.
>
> These videos show lazy tails but can be adapted to create 2 working
> tails.  The icicle just needs to be tied near the middle.  The rolling
> needs to be tied on a bite.
>
> https://youtu.be/JFZwfCoETdQ
>
> https://youtu.be/cA2AJlf0lwE
>
> For your pre-made section of rope you can improve the snubbing action by
> using nylon triple braid and adding rubber snubbers.  A rolling hitch on a
> bite will be easier to negotiate if snubbers are already installed on the
> line.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 4:33 PM Sam Tunanidas via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a Landfall 38 with a double bow roller. I am in the northern
>> Chesapeake Bay. I only use 10' of chain and the rest is 8 plait anchor
>> line. The bottom around here is mostly mud and I get incredible holding
>> power from my Fortress 23. My question is is it okay to just run the line
>> over the bow roller then cleat it off or should I run the line through one
>> of the port/starboard bow openings you run your dock lines through? Thanks
>> in advance to all responders.
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Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

For an easy night in a secluded gunk hole you can get away with using the
bow roller to lead the anchor line back to a bow cleat.  I do it all the
time and sail up and down the Chesapeake.

A better practice is to tie on a snubber line using a rolling hitch or an
icicle hitch and then run the snubber lines in a vee below the bow roller,
through the port and stbd fairleads to the bow cleats.  A 10' to 15' piece
of line can be kept just for this purpose in the anchor locker.  Tie it so
that the tails are roughly the same length and you cleat them such that the
hitch stays about halfway between the water and the bow roller.  Ease the
anchor line so that the load it taken by the snubber lines but not so much
that it is drooping slack in the water.  In heavy wind and waves the edges
of the bowroller can start chewing on the anchor line.  The roller also
presents a lever arm which adds unnecessary stress to the bow.  By creating
a "bridle" with 2 attachment points you may reduce some yawing in the wind
and you'll also reduce the risk of a single failure.  In some cases the
anchor line is too large to fit the bow cleats properly so a snubber
eliminates that problem.  If you ever upgrade to a bigger boat or one with
all chain you're going to need to do this method anyway.  If you have a
windlass now or in the future, you may be tempted to simply leave the load
on the windlass.  This is a recipe for a damage to the windlass and again
using the snubber method will prevent problems.

These videos show lazy tails but can be adapted to create 2 working tails.
The icicle just needs to be tied near the middle.  The rolling needs to be
tied on a bite.

https://youtu.be/JFZwfCoETdQ

https://youtu.be/cA2AJlf0lwE

For your pre-made section of rope you can improve the snubbing action by
using nylon triple braid and adding rubber snubbers.  A rolling hitch on a
bite will be easier to negotiate if snubbers are already installed on the
line.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 4:33 PM Sam Tunanidas via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a Landfall 38 with a double bow roller. I am in the northern
> Chesapeake Bay. I only use 10' of chain and the rest is 8 plait anchor
> line. The bottom around here is mostly mud and I get incredible holding
> power from my Fortress 23. My question is is it okay to just run the line
> over the bow roller then cleat it off or should I run the line through one
> of the port/starboard bow openings you run your dock lines through? Thanks
> in advance to all responders.
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Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38

[Sam Tunanidas via CnC-List]

Thanks Frederick! I thought that it would be okay but have learned never to
assume especially on the water! Do you use anything to keep the line from
jumping the roller or has that not been a problem? Thank you, Sam

On Jan 21, 2019 4:42 PM, "Frederick G Street"  wrote:

Sam — I typically anchor with the line over the roller.  Same sort of setup
as you have, but a larger Fortress; and we anchor in sand up in the Apostle
Islands.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Jan 21, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Sam Tunanidas via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

I have a Landfall 38 with a double bow roller. I am in the northern
Chesapeake Bay. I only use 10' of chain and the rest is 8 plait anchor
line. The bottom around here is mostly mud and I get incredible holding
power from my Fortress 23. My question is is it okay to just run the line
over the bow roller then cleat it off or should I run the line through one
of the port/starboard bow openings you run your dock lines through? Thanks
in advance to all responders.
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Re: Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Sam — I typically anchor with the line over the roller.  Same sort of setup as 
you have, but a larger Fortress; and we anchor in sand up in the Apostle 
Islands.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Jan 21, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Sam Tunanidas via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a Landfall 38 with a double bow roller. I am in the northern 
> Chesapeake Bay. I only use 10' of chain and the rest is 8 plait anchor line. 
> The bottom around here is mostly mud and I get incredible holding power from 
> my Fortress 23. My question is is it okay to just run the line over the bow 
> roller then cleat it off or should I run the line through one of the 
> port/starboard bow openings you run your dock lines through? Thanks in 
> advance to all responders.
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Stus-List Bow roller question for Landfall 38

[Sam Tunanidas via CnC-List]

I have a Landfall 38 with a double bow roller. I am in the northern
Chesapeake Bay. I only use 10' of chain and the rest is 8 plait anchor
line. The bottom around here is mostly mud and I get incredible holding
power from my Fortress 23. My question is is it okay to just run the line
over the bow roller then cleat it off or should I run the line through one
of the port/starboard bow openings you run your dock lines through? Thanks
in advance to all responders.
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Stus-List Bow roller options

[Rodney Meryweather via CnC-List]

On my C 35 I have a ProFurl system that works extremely well. The model that was purchased and installed was the LCI32 which has One Tube.
Rodney Meryweather865-755-8860rmeryweat...@mac.com

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Stus-List Bow roller options

[Eugene Fodor via CnC-List]

I have a C 29 mark 2 and I'm looking for thoughts on bow roller options.
I saw some of the custom designs on the website, but I'm wondering if there
are any off the shelf rollers that will work with the C cast metal
bowsprit/nose. I measured the channel on it and it's 1-13/16 inches and
most OD channels on bow roller are 2". Has anyone found a simple solution
to this?

Thanks,

Gene
"Hawk"
C 29-2
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Re: Stus-List Bow Roller

[Allan Rheaume via CnC-List]

I'm still here Lorne ,I've been lurking more than contributing over the last 
few years. My email is all...@kos.net.
Allan RheaumeDrumroll 30-2 # 90


  From: Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Lorne Serpa <lorne.se...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:28 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List Bow Roller
   
Thanks, I'll start chasing him down.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

The right guy is Allan Rheaume. He was active on the list few years ago and is 
very knowledgable about the 30 mk II. He was in the Lake Ontario area in 2010. 
He answered a lot of my questions when I was looking for a boat at the time.
You should be able to find him easily.
Bruno LachanceBecassine, 33 mkIINew Richmond, Qc.

Envoyé de mon iPad
Le 26 avr. 2016 à 19:16, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> a 
écrit :


Lorne:

I'm not that Allan, but I can send you pictures of the bow roller I added to my 
boat.  Send me your email address.  trya...@alumni.usc.edu

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

I found an article in the resource center.  It says to contact ...

For more information - contact Allan.

It does not work.  Anyone know who Allan is and how to get a hold of him?  I 
like his bow roller setup on a Mk30II.  I don't have one and really want a 
roller setup.

Lorne Serpa

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Re: Stus-List Bow Roller

[Lorne Serpa via CnC-List]

Thanks, I'll start chasing him down.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Bruno Lachance via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The right guy is Allan Rheaume. He was active on the list few years ago
> and is very knowledgable about the 30 mk II. He was in the Lake Ontario
> area in 2010. He answered a lot of my questions when I was looking for a
> boat at the time.
>
> You should be able to find him easily.
>
> Bruno Lachance
> Becassine, 33 mkII
> New Richmond, Qc.
>
> Envoyé de mon iPad
>
> Le 26 avr. 2016 à 19:16, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List 
> a écrit :
>
> Lorne:
>
> I'm not that Allan, but I can send you pictures of the bow roller I added
> to my boat.  Send me your email address.  trya...@alumni.usc.edu
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I found an article in the resource center.  It says to contact ...
>>
>> For more information - contact Allan.
>> 
>>
>> It does not work.  Anyone know who Allan is and how to get a hold of
>> him?  I like his bow roller setup on a Mk30II.  I don't have one and really
>> want a roller setup.
>>
>> Lorne Serpa
>>
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Re: Stus-List Bow Roller

[Bruno Lachance via CnC-List]

The right guy is Allan Rheaume. He was active on the list few years ago and is 
very knowledgable about the 30 mk II. He was in the Lake Ontario area in 2010. 
He answered a lot of my questions when I was looking for a boat at the time.

You should be able to find him easily.

Bruno Lachance
Becassine, 33 mkII
New Richmond, Qc.

Envoyé de mon iPad

> Le 26 avr. 2016 à 19:16, ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List  a 
> écrit :
> 
> Lorne:
> 
> I'm not that Allan, but I can send you pictures of the bow roller I added to 
> my boat.  Send me your email address.  trya...@alumni.usc.edu
> 
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I found an article in the resource center.  It says to contact ...
>> 
>> For more information - contact Allan.
>> 
>> It does not work.  Anyone know who Allan is and how to get a hold of him?  I 
>> like his bow roller setup on a Mk30II.  I don't have one and really want a 
>> roller setup.
>> 
>> Lorne Serpa
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Bow Roller

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Lorne:

I'm not that Allan, but I can send you pictures of the bow roller I added
to my boat.  Send me your email address.  trya...@alumni.usc.edu

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I found an article in the resource center.  It says to contact ...
>
> For more information - contact Allan.
> 
>
> It does not work.  Anyone know who Allan is and how to get a hold of him?
> I like his bow roller setup on a Mk30II.  I don't have one and really want
> a roller setup.
>
> Lorne Serpa
>
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Re: Stus-List Bow Roller and possibly Windlass for the 1977 29

[dreuge]

Hi,

I have a homemade bow roller on a 29 which has worked out well for the past 6 
years.  I keep a 22lb delta on it.  I can send you more details if you are 
interested, but it is basically an Al plate with some standard rollers bolted 
on.   See  photos of it at:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/dreuge/6857657943/in/set-72157629273706637/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dreuge/6857707249/in/set-72157629273706637/




-
Paul E.
1979 CC 29-1
1981 CC 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

Begin forwarded message:

 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:03:13 -0500
 From: Paul Kunicki paulkuni...@hotmail.com
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com
 Subject: Stus-List Bow Roller and possibly Windlass for the 1977 29
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 I am presently preparing for a haul-out during which I would like to have an 
 anchor roller installed. I found a photo of a 1977 29 MKI named Anonymous 
 here: 
 http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/bowroller/bowroller.htm
 
 Unfortunately, the link no longer works.
 
 Form the photo, it appears that there is both a danforth and plow style 
 anchors hanging from the bow and it is not obvious whether or not a Windlass 
 is installed? I? would love to know if this was a custom built or if it was a 
 product available off the shelf. 
 
 Any info on what roller/bracket and mounting method is best for hanging a 
 22lb delta or similar plow type anchor on a smaller CC like this would be 
 very helpful.
 
 Thanks for your time and patience,
 
 Paul Kunicki
 Systems Manager
 Owner 1977 CC 29 MKI
 Boca Raton, FL  
 

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Stus-List Bow Roller and possibly Windlass for the 1977 29 MKI

[Paul Kunicki]

Hello everyone,

I am presently preparing for a haul-out during which I would like to have an 
anchor roller installed. I found a photo of a 1977 29 MKI named Anonymous here: 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/bowroller/bowroller.htm

Unfortunately, the link no longer works.

Form the photo, it appears that there is both a danforth and plow style anchors 
hanging from the bow and it is not obvious whether or not a Windlass is 
installed? I  would love to know if this was a custom built or if it was a 
product available off the shelf. 

Any info on what roller/bracket and mounting method is best for hanging a 22lb 
delta or similar plow type anchor on a smaller CC like this would be very 
helpful.

Thanks for your time and patience,

Paul Kunicki
Systems Manager
Owner 1977 CC 29 MKI
Boca Raton, FL
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Re: Stus-List Bow Roller and possibly Windlass for the 1977 29 MKI

[Bill Coleman]

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Bill Coleman
CC 39 


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Kunicki
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Bow Roller and possibly Windlass for the 1977 29 MKI

Hello everyone,

I am presently preparing for a haul-out during which I would like to have an
anchor roller installed. I found a photo of a 1977 29 MKI named Anonymous
here: 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/bowroller/bowroller.htm

Unfortunately, the link no longer works.

Form the photo, it appears that there is both a danforth and plow style
anchors hanging from the bow and it is not obvious whether or not a Windlass
is installed? I  would love to know if this was a custom built or if it was
a product available off the shelf. 

Any info on what roller/bracket and mounting method is best for hanging a
22lb delta or similar plow type anchor on a smaller CC like this would be
very helpful.

Thanks for your time and patience,

Paul Kunicki
Systems Manager
Owner 1977 CC 29 MKI
Boca Raton, FL
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