Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

Of course - that makes sense.  Thanks for clearing that up.

I'll have to look into it more.

Mark


There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
  - George Santayana

On 2017-03-18 10:54 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:

Mark,

You won't have dynamic falls (one would hope) when climbing the mast. Dynamic 
falls happen when you are climbing and leading (the lead regularly is above the 
least piton or nut and if you fall you drop the double that distance). When you 
are climbing the mast, all your falls would be static - if you main gear fails, 
you would simply hang on the safety line. If you have someone helping, that 
person would take the slack of the safety line. If you are solo, you would move 
your attachment point (the Prusik's knot; the 3rd ascender) up as you are 
climbing. The safety line (and attachment should be almost tight (not too 
tight, you want the freedom of movement).

So in short - leave the dynamic ropes to the climbers; use the static ropes 
(lines) that we all have on the mast.

Unless you are climbing the mast on a regular basis. You should not damage the 
halyard. There are different kinds of ascenders (like there are different kinds 
of clutches); some are gentle on the rope, others not so much. However, most of 
the ascenders are designed to be used regularly on the rope, so they should not 
make any significant damage to the halyard.

One other thing, if you never tried it before, train for it like with anything 
else. I would not suggest that the trip straight to the top of the mast is the 
best thing to do on the first try. And if you try it first, think  not only how 
you are going to go up, but also how you are planning to come down (the latter 
might be more tricky).

Good luck

Marek

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark 
Bodnar via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 22:32
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dr. Mark Bodnar 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo


I've been reading this discussion with some interest - while I have sent one 
kid up the mast I don't expect my 14 yr old to manage more complex tasks.

I know about using dynamic ropes for climbing - but how do you get the dynamic 
rope up the mast to act as a safety line? And what line are you climbing?

Should I be concerned about wear on my halyards using ascenders (with I believe 
geared pinch mechanisms)?

For a safely line I know I could use a dynamic rope tied to a halyard and 
hauled up to the top of the mast - but it seems that extra knot brings another 
failure point we'd prefer to avoid.

Plus - if you are climbing alone (nobody is taking up the slack in the safety 
rope) - then I'd guess you need a 3rd ascender for the safety line.

If things go wrong how to you lower yourself with that safety line?

Guess I should read up more on ascenders!

Mark

There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
- George Santayana

On 2017-03-17 5:05 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List wrote:

All,
I have been following this discussion with interest since I just 
returned to my southern project boat with a so-far unused ATN Top Climber, and 
intend to use it in the next couple of days. I have taken note in particular to 
the idea of using a loop(s) to stay at the mast. The designer of the device 
however, has at least in the past, suggested securing the static line away from 
the mast because it makes the climb easier. I have not tried it either way, but 
I like the sound of staying at the mast better. Anyone have comments on this 
aspect of using the ATN climbing gear? Obviously the boat would have to be 
pretty steady.

On a separate note regarding fall arrest. I had a conversation one time with an 
accomplished ice climber and asked him what type of line he preferred, nylon or 
low stretch. He seemed to think that I was a complete idiot for even asking the 
question, and maybe I was. Anyway, just to save anyone else who has not thought 
it through from similar embarrassment or injury, you definitely want any line 
that might arrest a fall to be stretchy. Nylon in other words.

I plan therefore to use polyester for the static line, and nylon for any safety 
fall arrest  lines.

Steve Thomas
C&C36
Merritt Island, FL


 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  wrote:

http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/upmast.jpg

   Working on a topping lift in the Gulf Stream. If you are climbing underway, 
MAKE SURE you have a loop to hold you near the mast. It does not look rough in 
that photo, but the swells at 55 feet up were enough to make it hard to hang 
on, and if you get loose you will hit one or more things pretty hard.

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>


Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Rick Rohwer via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:19 PM
To: Joel Aronson via CnC-

Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

Thanks for sharing your experience Matthew. 
I will make use of your suggestions. 

Steve Thomas
C&C36 
Merritt Island, FL

 "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List"  wrote: 
Steve:

I've had my ATN Top Climber for about 15 years (or more).  I typically 
use it for things like placing/removing wind transducers, checking on the 
antenna connection, re-taping spreader boots (discussed below), that sort of 
thing.  I bought it when I had my 34 because I rarely had any help.  It does 
make it easier when going aloft to be away from the mast a little at the 
base.  I typically run a halyard to a block on the babystay track, which 
moves the line a foot or two away from the mast at the deck.  I've found 
that having a little space at the spreaders helps to get around them.  I 
also run the line to a winch to get it tight, which is needed to facilitate 
going up and coming down.  If the line is not taut, the mechanism doesn't 
work smoothly.  Even being a foot or two away from the mast at the base, the 
line gets closer and closer to the mast as you climb (obviously), so when 
you get to the top you're snug to the mast.

The problem with working on spreader boots with the ATN chair is that 
it's difficult to get away from the mast.  As described above, the static 
line used for climbing is taut and relatively close to the mast.  As a 
result, you're confined to this area.  If you move the block out to the toe 
rail, this will get you a lot closer to the spreader tip on that side, but 
you will also be much further away from the mast for a greater climbing 
distance.  I would not suggest going to the toe rail unless I was 
specifically working on spreaders, and you would need to change the set up 
from side to side.  Instead, I try to find a second person to hoist me the 
old fashioned way (on a winch) when working on spreaders so I'm free to move 
away from the mast.

I typically use a retired halyard for the static line to protect the 
cover on my halyards.  (I tie a bowline to a halyard and raise it.)  You 
lose a couple inches at the top of the mast, but I stand out of the chair at 
the masthead anyway.

Overall, it's a good product, but it has some limitations.  And climbing 
aloft isn't for everybody.

-Original Message- 
From: Steve Thomas via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 4:05 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

All,
  I have been following this discussion with interest since I just 
returned to my southern project boat with a so-far unused ATN Top Climber, 
and intend to use it in the next couple of days. I have taken note in 
particular to the idea of using a loop(s) to stay at the mast. The designer 
of the device however, has at least in the past, suggested securing the 
static line away from the mast because it makes the climb easier. I have not 
tried it either way, but I like the sound of staying at the mast better. 
Anyone have comments on this aspect of using the ATN climbing gear? 
Obviously the boat would have to be pretty steady.

On a separate note regarding fall arrest. I had a conversation one time with 
an accomplished ice climber and asked him what type of line he preferred, 
nylon or low stretch. He seemed to think that I was a complete idiot for 
even asking the question, and maybe I was. Anyway, just to save anyone else 
who has not thought it through from similar embarrassment or injury, you 
definitely want any line that might arrest a fall to be stretchy. Nylon in 
other words.

I plan therefore to use polyester for the static line, and nylon for any 
safety fall arrest  lines.

Steve Thomas
C&C36
Merritt Island, FL


 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  wrote:
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/upmast.jpg

Working on a topping lift in the Gulf Stream. If you are climbing underway, 
MAKE SURE you have a loop to hold you near the mast. It does not look rough 
in that photo, but the swells at 55 feet up were enough to make it hard to 
hang on, and if you get loose you will hit one or more things pretty hard.

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>


Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick 
Rohwer via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:19 PM
To: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Cc: Rick Rohwer 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo


I use the same ascenders with my own concoction of straps but unlike the 
fellow in the “atninc" ad I prefer a bosun’s chair to a  climbing harness. 
Plenty of pockets for tools and your vitals don’t go numb.  These allow you 
to actually climb above the top of the mast so you can work readily on mast 
top fittings.

Rick

Paikea37+

On Mar 16, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Ryan — many on the list prefer a standard climbing harness and asc

Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Steve:

   I've had my ATN Top Climber for about 15 years (or more).  I typically 
use it for things like placing/removing wind transducers, checking on the 
antenna connection, re-taping spreader boots (discussed below), that sort of 
thing.  I bought it when I had my 34 because I rarely had any help.  It does 
make it easier when going aloft to be away from the mast a little at the 
base.  I typically run a halyard to a block on the babystay track, which 
moves the line a foot or two away from the mast at the deck.  I've found 
that having a little space at the spreaders helps to get around them.  I 
also run the line to a winch to get it tight, which is needed to facilitate 
going up and coming down.  If the line is not taut, the mechanism doesn't 
work smoothly.  Even being a foot or two away from the mast at the base, the 
line gets closer and closer to the mast as you climb (obviously), so when 
you get to the top you're snug to the mast.


   The problem with working on spreader boots with the ATN chair is that 
it's difficult to get away from the mast.  As described above, the static 
line used for climbing is taut and relatively close to the mast.  As a 
result, you're confined to this area.  If you move the block out to the toe 
rail, this will get you a lot closer to the spreader tip on that side, but 
you will also be much further away from the mast for a greater climbing 
distance.  I would not suggest going to the toe rail unless I was 
specifically working on spreaders, and you would need to change the set up 
from side to side.  Instead, I try to find a second person to hoist me the 
old fashioned way (on a winch) when working on spreaders so I'm free to move 
away from the mast.


   I typically use a retired halyard for the static line to protect the 
cover on my halyards.  (I tie a bowline to a halyard and raise it.)  You 
lose a couple inches at the top of the mast, but I stand out of the chair at 
the masthead anyway.


   Overall, it's a good product, but it has some limitations.  And climbing 
aloft isn't for everybody.


-Original Message- 
From: Steve Thomas via CnC-List

Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 4:05 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

All,
 I have been following this discussion with interest since I just 
returned to my southern project boat with a so-far unused ATN Top Climber, 
and intend to use it in the next couple of days. I have taken note in 
particular to the idea of using a loop(s) to stay at the mast. The designer 
of the device however, has at least in the past, suggested securing the 
static line away from the mast because it makes the climb easier. I have not 
tried it either way, but I like the sound of staying at the mast better. 
Anyone have comments on this aspect of using the ATN climbing gear? 
Obviously the boat would have to be pretty steady.


On a separate note regarding fall arrest. I had a conversation one time with 
an accomplished ice climber and asked him what type of line he preferred, 
nylon or low stretch. He seemed to think that I was a complete idiot for 
even asking the question, and maybe I was. Anyway, just to save anyone else 
who has not thought it through from similar embarrassment or injury, you 
definitely want any line that might arrest a fall to be stretchy. Nylon in 
other words.


I plan therefore to use polyester for the static line, and nylon for any 
safety fall arrest  lines.


Steve Thomas
C&C36
Merritt Island, FL


 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  wrote:
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/upmast.jpg

Working on a topping lift in the Gulf Stream. If you are climbing underway, 
MAKE SURE you have a loop to hold you near the mast. It does not look rough 
in that photo, but the swells at 55 feet up were enough to make it hard to 
hang on, and if you get loose you will hit one or more things pretty hard.


Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>


Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick 
Rohwer via CnC-List

Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:19 PM
To: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Cc: Rick Rohwer 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo


I use the same ascenders with my own concoction of straps but unlike the 
fellow in the “atninc" ad I prefer a bosun’s chair to a  climbing harness. 
Plenty of pockets for tools and your vitals don’t go numb.  These allow you 
to actually climb above the top of the mast so you can work readily on mast 
top fittings.


Rick

Paikea37+

On Mar 16, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:


Ryan — many on the list prefer a standard climbing harness and ascenders for 
this type of job.  I personally prefer to sit while working for long periods 
of time, so I use the ATN TopClimber (now called the “MastClimber”): 
http://www.atninc.com

Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Mark,

You won't have dynamic falls (one would hope) when climbing the mast. Dynamic 
falls happen when you are climbing and leading (the lead regularly is above the 
least piton or nut and if you fall you drop the double that distance). When you 
are climbing the mast, all your falls would be static - if you main gear fails, 
you would simply hang on the safety line. If you have someone helping, that 
person would take the slack of the safety line. If you are solo, you would move 
your attachment point (the Prusik's knot; the 3rd ascender) up as you are 
climbing. The safety line (and attachment should be almost tight (not too 
tight, you want the freedom of movement).

So in short - leave the dynamic ropes to the climbers; use the static ropes 
(lines) that we all have on the mast.

Unless you are climbing the mast on a regular basis. You should not damage the 
halyard. There are different kinds of ascenders (like there are different kinds 
of clutches); some are gentle on the rope, others not so much. However, most of 
the ascenders are designed to be used regularly on the rope, so they should not 
make any significant damage to the halyard.

One other thing, if you never tried it before, train for it like with anything 
else. I would not suggest that the trip straight to the top of the mast is the 
best thing to do on the first try. And if you try it first, think  not only how 
you are going to go up, but also how you are planning to come down (the latter 
might be more tricky).

Good luck

Marek

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark 
Bodnar via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 22:32
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dr. Mark Bodnar 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo


I've been reading this discussion with some interest - while I have sent one 
kid up the mast I don't expect my 14 yr old to manage more complex tasks.

I know about using dynamic ropes for climbing - but how do you get the dynamic 
rope up the mast to act as a safety line? And what line are you climbing?

Should I be concerned about wear on my halyards using ascenders (with I believe 
geared pinch mechanisms)?

For a safely line I know I could use a dynamic rope tied to a halyard and 
hauled up to the top of the mast - but it seems that extra knot brings another 
failure point we'd prefer to avoid.

Plus - if you are climbing alone (nobody is taking up the slack in the safety 
rope) - then I'd guess you need a 3rd ascender for the safety line.

If things go wrong how to you lower yourself with that safety line?

Guess I should read up more on ascenders!

Mark

There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
   - George Santayana

On 2017-03-17 5:05 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List wrote:
> All,
>I have been following this discussion with interest since I just 
> returned to my southern project boat with a so-far unused ATN Top Climber, 
> and intend to use it in the next couple of days. I have taken note in 
> particular to the idea of using a loop(s) to stay at the mast. The designer 
> of the device however, has at least in the past, suggested securing the 
> static line away from the mast because it makes the climb easier. I have not 
> tried it either way, but I like the sound of staying at the mast better. 
> Anyone have comments on this aspect of using the ATN climbing gear? Obviously 
> the boat would have to be pretty steady.
>
> On a separate note regarding fall arrest. I had a conversation one time with 
> an accomplished ice climber and asked him what type of line he preferred, 
> nylon or low stretch. He seemed to think that I was a complete idiot for even 
> asking the question, and maybe I was. Anyway, just to save anyone else who 
> has not thought it through from similar embarrassment or injury, you 
> definitely want any line that might arrest a fall to be stretchy. Nylon in 
> other words.
>
> I plan therefore to use polyester for the static line, and nylon for any 
> safety fall arrest  lines.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C&C36
> Merritt Island, FL
>
>
>  Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  wrote:
> http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/upmast.jpg
>
>   Working on a topping lift in the Gulf Stream. If you are climbing underway, 
> MAKE SURE you have a loop to hold you near the mast. It does not look rough 
> in that photo, but the swells at 55 feet up were enough to make it hard to 
> hang on, and if you get loose you will hit one or more things pretty hard.
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rick Rohwer via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:19 PM
> To: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> Cc: Rick Rohwer 
> Su

Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List]

I've been reading this discussion with some interest - while I have sent 
one kid up the mast I don't expect my 14 yr old to manage more complex 
tasks.


I know about using dynamic ropes for climbing - but how do you get the 
dynamic rope up the mast to act as a safety line? And what line are you 
climbing?


Should I be concerned about wear on my halyards using ascenders (with I 
believe geared pinch mechanisms)?


For a safely line I know I could use a dynamic rope tied to a halyard 
and hauled up to the top of the mast - but it seems that extra knot 
brings another failure point we'd prefer to avoid.


Plus - if you are climbing alone (nobody is taking up the slack in the 
safety rope) - then I'd guess you need a 3rd ascender for the safety line.


If things go wrong how to you lower yourself with that safety line?

Guess I should read up more on ascenders!

Mark

There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
  - George Santayana

On 2017-03-17 5:05 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List wrote:

All,
   I have been following this discussion with interest since I just 
returned to my southern project boat with a so-far unused ATN Top Climber, and 
intend to use it in the next couple of days. I have taken note in particular to 
the idea of using a loop(s) to stay at the mast. The designer of the device 
however, has at least in the past, suggested securing the static line away from 
the mast because it makes the climb easier. I have not tried it either way, but 
I like the sound of staying at the mast better. Anyone have comments on this 
aspect of using the ATN climbing gear? Obviously the boat would have to be 
pretty steady.

On a separate note regarding fall arrest. I had a conversation one time with an 
accomplished ice climber and asked him what type of line he preferred, nylon or 
low stretch. He seemed to think that I was a complete idiot for even asking the 
question, and maybe I was. Anyway, just to save anyone else who has not thought 
it through from similar embarrassment or injury, you definitely want any line 
that might arrest a fall to be stretchy. Nylon in other words.

I plan therefore to use polyester for the static line, and nylon for any safety 
fall arrest  lines.

Steve Thomas
C&C36
Merritt Island, FL

   
 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  wrote:

http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/upmast.jpg

  Working on a topping lift in the Gulf Stream. If you are climbing underway, 
MAKE SURE you have a loop to hold you near the mast. It does not look rough in 
that photo, but the swells at 55 feet up were enough to make it hard to hang 
on, and if you get loose you will hit one or more things pretty hard.

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com>


Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rohwer 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:19 PM
To: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Cc: Rick Rohwer 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo
  


I use the same ascenders with my own concoction of straps but unlike the fellow in 
the “atninc" ad I prefer a bosun’s chair to a  climbing harness.  Plenty of 
pockets for tools and your vitals don’t go numb.  These allow you to actually climb 
above the top of the mast so you can work readily on mast top fittings.

Rick

Paikea37+

On Mar 16, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Ryan — many on the list prefer a standard climbing harness and ascenders for 
this type of job.  I personally prefer to sit while working for long periods of 
time, so I use the ATN TopClimber (now called the “MastClimber”): 
http://www.atninc.com/atn-mastclimber-sailing-equipment.shtml

I’ve had very good luck with this equipment; in a previous life as a marine 
electronics installer, I spent a LOT of time up masts, and always felt safe and 
comfortable.

  YMMV…

  — Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


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Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

When you are climbing, you want you line to be as un-stretchable as possible, 
preferably attached at the bottom (so when you pull the ascender, it moves 
without pulling the line). You want that line to be a couple of centimeters (an 
inch?) away from the mast, so that you could move the ascenders freely. It does 
not matter if you use the climbing ascenders or the ATN attachments; they both 
need to slide on the line freely (or as freely, as possible). 

The loop for keeping you at the mast is much more important when you arrived at 
your destination (one might assume that you will spend some time there) - you 
don't want to be tossed around the mast (your knees may not like it). Btw. it 
just occurred to me (I never tried it myself) - one might want to use some knee 
pads (like for volleyball) when going up.

Marek

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 16:06
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

All,
  I have been following this discussion with interest since I just returned 
to my southern project boat with a so-far unused ATN Top Climber, and intend to 
use it in the next couple of days. I have taken note in particular to the idea 
of using a loop(s) to stay at the mast. The designer of the device however, has 
at least in the past, suggested securing the static line away from the mast 
because it makes the climb easier. I have not tried it either way, but I like 
the sound of staying at the mast better. Anyone have comments on this aspect of 
using the ATN climbing gear? Obviously the boat would have to be pretty steady. 

On a separate note regarding fall arrest. I had a conversation one time with an 
accomplished ice climber and asked him what type of line he preferred, nylon or 
low stretch. He seemed to think that I was a complete idiot for even asking the 
question, and maybe I was. Anyway, just to save anyone else who has not thought 
it through from similar embarrassment or injury, you definitely want any line 
that might arrest a fall to be stretchy. Nylon in other words. 

I plan therefore to use polyester for the static line, and nylon for any safety 
fall arrest  lines. 

Steve Thomas
C&C36
Merritt Island, FL  

  
 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  wrote: 
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/upmast.jpg

 Working on a topping lift in the Gulf Stream. If you are climbing underway, 
MAKE SURE you have a loop to hold you near the mast. It does not look rough in 
that photo, but the swells at 55 feet up were enough to make it hard to hang 
on, and if you get loose you will hit one or more things pretty hard.

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 


Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rohwer 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:19 PM
To: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Cc: Rick Rohwer 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo
 

I use the same ascenders with my own concoction of straps but unlike the fellow 
in the “atninc" ad I prefer a bosun’s chair to a  climbing harness.  Plenty of 
pockets for tools and your vitals don’t go numb.  These allow you to actually 
climb above the top of the mast so you can work readily on mast top fittings. 

Rick

Paikea37+

On Mar 16, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Ryan — many on the list prefer a standard climbing harness and ascenders for 
this type of job.  I personally prefer to sit while working for long periods of 
time, so I use the ATN TopClimber (now called the “MastClimber”): 
http://www.atninc.com/atn-mastclimber-sailing-equipment.shtml

I’ve had very good luck with this equipment; in a previous life as a marine 
electronics installer, I spent a LOT of time up masts, and always felt safe and 
comfortable.

 YMMV…

 — Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


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Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Mike Brannon via CnC-List]

I have been using a top climber for about 15 years.   I generally tie it off to 
the toe rail on my C&C36.The tighter you can tie it the better off you are 
and the easier the climb.   Likewise, if you have stretchy halyards it is 
helpful to have an assistant in case you need to take up the slack created when 
the halyard stretches.It isn't as easy as it looks on the ATN video.

Mike 
Virginia Lee  93295
C&C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, Va

Sent from my iPad Mini

> On Mar 17, 2017, at 16:05, Steve Thomas via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> All,
>  I have been following this discussion with interest since I just 
> returned to my southern project boat with a so-far unused ATN Top Climber, 
> and intend to use it in the next couple of days. I have taken note in 
> particular to the idea of using a loop(s) to stay at the mast. The designer 
> of the device however, has at least in the past, suggested securing the 
> static line away from the mast because it makes the climb easier. I have not 
> tried it either way, but I like the sound of staying at the mast better. 
> Anyone have comments on this aspect of using the ATN climbing gear? Obviously 
> the boat would have to be pretty steady. 
> 
> On a separate note regarding fall arrest. I had a conversation one time with 
> an accomplished ice climber and asked him what type of line he preferred, 
> nylon or low stretch. He seemed to think that I was a complete idiot for even 
> asking the question, and maybe I was. Anyway, just to save anyone else who 
> has not thought it through from similar embarrassment or injury, you 
> definitely want any line that might arrest a fall to be stretchy. Nylon in 
> other words. 
> 
> I plan therefore to use polyester for the static line, and nylon for any 
> safety fall arrest  lines. 
> 
> Steve Thomas
> C&C36
> Merritt Island, FL  
> 
> 
>  Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  wrote: 
> http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/upmast.jpg
> 
> Working on a topping lift in the Gulf Stream. If you are climbing underway, 
> MAKE SURE you have a loop to hold you near the mast. It does not look rough 
> in that photo, but the swells at 55 feet up were enough to make it hard to 
> hang on, and if you get loose you will hit one or more things pretty hard.
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> 
> j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 
> 
> 
> Coquina
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick 
> Rohwer via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:19 PM
> To: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> Cc: Rick Rohwer 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo
> 
> 
> I use the same ascenders with my own concoction of straps but unlike the 
> fellow in the “atninc" ad I prefer a bosun’s chair to a  climbing harness.  
> Plenty of pockets for tools and your vitals don’t go numb.  These allow you 
> to actually climb above the top of the mast so you can work readily on mast 
> top fittings. 
> 
> Rick
> 
> Paikea37+
> 
> On Mar 16, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:
> 
> Ryan — many on the list prefer a standard climbing harness and ascenders for 
> this type of job.  I personally prefer to sit while working for long periods 
> of time, so I use the ATN TopClimber (now called the “MastClimber”): 
> http://www.atninc.com/atn-mastclimber-sailing-equipment.shtml
> 
> I’ve had very good luck with this equipment; in a previous life as a marine 
> electronics installer, I spent a LOT of time up masts, and always felt safe 
> and comfortable.
> 
> YMMV…
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Steve,
There are two different categories of ropes used for any type of climbing or 
rope work: Static and Dynamic Lines.  A static line is designed to support a 
weight that is at rest when the line is deployed,  typically used in lifting 
loads or steadying something that is already aloft.  Dynamic lines are designed 
to absorb energy such a fall arrest of a "thing" or a human that may have 
become detached from a rock face or a support rope.  Most static lines are made 
from low stretch materials such as polyester or a combination of polyester and 
nylon.  A good example of a static line is your halyards.  Dynamic line is 
almost always made of nylon and constructed in such a manner for maximum 
strength when total elongation is achieved.  Usually Dynamic lines can not be 
spliced and they are only good for one good fall after which it should be 
retired since the elongation and energy absorption is not recoverable.   
Most climbing/arborist ropes will have small tags describing the size, strength 
and materials used on the rope so that the wrong ropes don’t get used 
inappropriately.   If you are looking for a safety line that will catch you 
when you fall, make sure it is a dynamic rope designed for that purpose.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA
(Novatec Braids, Ltd.)

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 4:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

All,
  I have been following this discussion with interest since I just returned 
to my southern project boat with a so-far unused ATN Top Climber, and intend to 
use it in the next couple of days. I have taken note in particular to the idea 
of using a loop(s) to stay at the mast. The designer of the device however, has 
at least in the past, suggested securing the static line away from the mast 
because it makes the climb easier. I have not tried it either way, but I like 
the sound of staying at the mast better. Anyone have comments on this aspect of 
using the ATN climbing gear? Obviously the boat would have to be pretty steady. 

On a separate note regarding fall arrest. I had a conversation one time with an 
accomplished ice climber and asked him what type of line he preferred, nylon or 
low stretch. He seemed to think that I was a complete idiot for even asking the 
question, and maybe I was. Anyway, just to save anyone else who has not thought 
it through from similar embarrassment or injury, you definitely want any line 
that might arrest a fall to be stretchy. Nylon in other words. 

I plan therefore to use polyester for the static line, and nylon for any safety 
fall arrest  lines. 

Steve Thomas
C&C36
Merritt Island, FL  

  
 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  wrote: 
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/upmast.jpg

 Working on a topping lift in the Gulf Stream. If you are climbing underway, 
MAKE SURE you have a loop to hold you near the mast. It does not look rough in 
that photo, but the swells at 55 feet up were enough to make it hard to hang 
on, and if you get loose you will hit one or more things pretty hard.

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 


Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rohwer 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:19 PM
To: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Cc: Rick Rohwer 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo
 

I use the same ascenders with my own concoction of straps but unlike the fellow 
in the “atninc" ad I prefer a bosun’s chair to a  climbing harness.  Plenty of 
pockets for tools and your vitals don’t go numb.  These allow you to actually 
climb above the top of the mast so you can work readily on mast top fittings. 

Rick

Paikea37+

On Mar 16, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Ryan — many on the list prefer a standard climbing harness and ascenders for 
this type of job.  I personally prefer to sit while working for long periods of 
time, so I use the ATN TopClimber (now called the “MastClimber”): 
http://www.atninc.com/atn-mastclimber-sailing-equipment.shtml

I’ve had very good luck with this equipment; in a previous life as a marine 
electronics installer, I spent a LOT of time up masts, and always felt safe and 
comfortable.

 YMMV…

 — Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


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Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

All,
  I have been following this discussion with interest since I just returned 
to my southern project boat with a so-far unused ATN Top Climber, and intend to 
use it in the next couple of days. I have taken note in particular to the idea 
of using a loop(s) to stay at the mast. The designer of the device however, has 
at least in the past, suggested securing the static line away from the mast 
because it makes the climb easier. I have not tried it either way, but I like 
the sound of staying at the mast better. Anyone have comments on this aspect of 
using the ATN climbing gear? Obviously the boat would have to be pretty steady. 

On a separate note regarding fall arrest. I had a conversation one time with an 
accomplished ice climber and asked him what type of line he preferred, nylon or 
low stretch. He seemed to think that I was a complete idiot for even asking the 
question, and maybe I was. Anyway, just to save anyone else who has not thought 
it through from similar embarrassment or injury, you definitely want any line 
that might arrest a fall to be stretchy. Nylon in other words. 

I plan therefore to use polyester for the static line, and nylon for any safety 
fall arrest  lines. 

Steve Thomas
C&C36
Merritt Island, FL  

  
 Joe Della Barba via CnC-List  wrote: 
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/upmast.jpg

 Working on a topping lift in the Gulf Stream. If you are climbing underway, 
MAKE SURE you have a loop to hold you near the mast. It does not look rough in 
that photo, but the swells at 55 feet up were enough to make it hard to hang 
on, and if you get loose you will hit one or more things pretty hard.

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 


Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rohwer 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:19 PM
To: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Cc: Rick Rohwer 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo
 

I use the same ascenders with my own concoction of straps but unlike the fellow 
in the “atninc" ad I prefer a bosun’s chair to a  climbing harness.  Plenty of 
pockets for tools and your vitals don’t go numb.  These allow you to actually 
climb above the top of the mast so you can work readily on mast top fittings. 

Rick

Paikea37+

On Mar 16, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Ryan — many on the list prefer a standard climbing harness and ascenders for 
this type of job.  I personally prefer to sit while working for long periods of 
time, so I use the ATN TopClimber (now called the “MastClimber”): 
http://www.atninc.com/atn-mastclimber-sailing-equipment.shtml

I’ve had very good luck with this equipment; in a previous life as a marine 
electronics installer, I spent a LOT of time up masts, and always felt safe and 
comfortable.

 YMMV…

 — Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(


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Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Joe,

not for the faint-hearted. I always take a webbing loop or two up and always 
attach myself around the mast. Even at the dock, if someone is on the deck (and 
moves), the swings can be quite substantial (trigonometry works against you).

You can also use a loop on your feet (there is nothing better than when your 
feet slide off the mast and your knees hit the metal).

Marek

From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 11:28
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/upmast.jpg

Working on a topping lift in the Gulf Stream. If you are climbing underway, 
MAKE SURE you have a loop to hold you near the mast. It does not look rough in 
that photo, but the swells at 55 feet up were enough to make it hard to hang 
on, and if you get loose you will hit one or more things pretty hard.

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com

Coquina


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Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/upmast.jpg

 

Working on a topping lift in the Gulf Stream. If you are climbing underway, 
MAKE SURE you have a loop to hold you near the mast. It does not look rough in 
that photo, but the swells at 55 feet up were enough to make it hard to hang 
on, and if you get loose you will hit one or more things pretty hard.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> 

 

Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Rohwer 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:19 PM
To: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Cc: Rick Rohwer 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

 

I use the same ascenders with my own concoction of straps but unlike the fellow 
in the “atninc" ad I prefer a bosun’s chair to a  climbing harness.  Plenty of 
pockets for tools and your vitals don’t go numb.  These allow you to actually 
climb above the top of the mast so you can work readily on mast top fittings. 

Rick

Paikea37+

On Mar 16, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Ryan — many on the list prefer a standard climbing harness and ascenders for 
this type of job.  I personally prefer to sit while working for long periods of 
time, so I use the ATN TopClimber (now called the “MastClimber”): 
http://www.atninc.com/atn-mastclimber-sailing-equipment.shtml

 

I’ve had very good luck with this equipment; in a previous life as a marine 
electronics installer, I spent a LOT of time up masts, and always felt safe and 
comfortable.

 

YMMV…

 

— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

On Mar 16, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,

I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's about 22' 
up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.  However, I have never 
climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work alone.  I'm curious if anyone 
here has suggestions for doing this safely.  Is it possible, or should I call 
in a professional?  

I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could find 
someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend $$ on mast 
climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the last time I have 
to do this.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks so much.

Ryan
Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch 
(Former 1976 C&C 30)

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Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Rick Rohwer via CnC-List]

I use the same ascenders with my own concoction of straps but unlike the
fellow in the “atninc" ad I prefer a bosun’s chair to a  climbing harness.
Plenty of pockets for tools and your vitals don’t go numb.  These allow you
to actually climb above the top of the mast so you can work readily on mast
top fittings.
Rick
Paikea37+

On Mar 16, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Ryan — many on the list prefer a standard climbing harness and ascenders
for this type of job.  I personally prefer to sit while working for long
periods of time, so I use the ATN TopClimber (now called the
“MastClimber”): http://www.atninc.com/atn-mastclimber-
sailing-equipment.shtml

I’ve had very good luck with this equipment; in a previous life as a marine
electronics installer, I spent a *LOT* of time up masts, and always felt
safe and comfortable.

YMMV…

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Mar 16, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List 
wrote:

Hi All,

I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's about
22' up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.  However, I
have never climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work alone.  I'm
curious if anyone here has suggestions for doing this safely.  Is it
possible, or should I call in a professional?

I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could
find someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend
$$ on mast climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the
last time I have to do this.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks so much.

Ryan
Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch
(Former 1976 C&C 30)

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Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Helmet-mounted camera might be better (hands-free); however, if you are afraid 
of letting go (of anything) with your hands, you  better not climb the mast - 
the gear HAS TO hold you without your help. If it doesn’t, you do something 
wrong.

Btw. I am all for well built safety equipment; however, climbing ascenders and 
climbing harnesses belong to that category.

Another btw. any time you work aloft you have to secure yourself with at least 
two _independent_ systems (i.e. the failure of one does not affect the other). 
Also, don’t let routine to get in the way of thorough checking of the gear 
before you use it.

My climbing and high-rise work experience tells me that you can do it safely.

Marek

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 16:33
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

Agree with all Marek said, especially the cellphone camera.  I work aloft 
frequently but with a buddy.

The camera is great.  When we're scoping out a furler or rigging job, I can 
take a pic, email it to my buddy on the deck and we can discuss.  Nice.

I have a lineman's canvas tool bucket to take up.  It's great for holding all 
your tools, parts, etc.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
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[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I duct-taped rags to the ATN parts that come in contact with the mast to solve 
the scraping problem.  Not very creative or pretty, but it works.

From: john sandford via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 6:34 PM
To: 'Ryan Doyle' ; 'Patrick Davin' 
Cc: john sandford ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

I sail 99% of the time alone, and so the first thing I looked at was how to 
climb the mast solo.

Borrowed my neighbours ATN Mastclimber, which he raved about, and subsequently 
bought one.

Yes I did a fair bit of research and read about folks who built their own, and 
was duly impressed at their skills.

My take is that this is a critical pieces of safety equipment, life a tether, 
or fall arrest harness, so I opted to leave the design and manufacturing to the 
experts.

I always rig a safety line that Is looped around the mast, and then undone and 
re-looped as I go past spreaders. Not the safest system, I know, but will break 
up the drop height from <>46’ to <>15’.

One downside of the ATM. The climbing clutches are hard anodised aluminium 
which do a real number on any mast paint or anodisation. Particularly as you 
get to the top and it is harder to hold them away.

I spent the winter with the mast out, and did a TOTAL rebuild of everything. 
Also sanded off the anodisation and primed with zinc chromate  and brightsides.

Looked great until the first climb with the ATN, which did a fair bit of damage.

The next 3 trips were spent repairing the damage, primer, paint. This time I 
took a cheap rubber backed floor mat, wrapped it around the mast, and dragged 
it up as I went. 

Still thinking of ways  to simplify this work around, as I cant see me even 
finding the mat if I have to go up when its blowing snot or in rough seas.

I made about 15 more trips up last summer, with the Loos Gauge to tuning the 
rig, and always felt secure.

Some of the Imoca 60 folks use it, so it has a good pedigree.

 

Almost spring

 

John

LF38 

 

 

 

 

From: Ryan Doyle [mailto:ryanpdo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: March-16-17 2:31 PM
To: Patrick Davin
Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

 

Thanks Patrick and everyone for the warnings and suggestions.  Violet Hour is a 
really pretty boat.

 

I just ordered an ATM mast climber for pickup Saturday.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 16, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Patrick Davin  wrote:

  Here's how I do it: 

  https://svviolethour.com/2015/04/22/how-to-climb-the-mast-solo-part-2/

   

  https://svviolethour.com/2015/02/28/cleaning-the-boat-climbing-the-mast/  
(earlier post with my first attempt; part 2 above has more details)

   

  There are many different ways to do it. One of my goals was doing it cheaply, 
with equipment I mostly already had. If you're willing to spend some $$$, ATN 
mastclimber might be easier.

   

  -Patrick

  1984 C&C LF38

   

  On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:00 AM,  wrote:

  From: Ryan Doyle 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: 
  Bcc: 
  Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:01:15 -0400
  Subject: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo
  Hi All,

  I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's about 
22' up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.  However, I have 
never climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work alone.  I'm curious if 
anyone here has suggestions for doing this safely.  Is it possible, or should I 
call in a professional?

  I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could find 
someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend $ on mast 
climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the last time I have 
to do this.

  Any advice is appreciated.

  Thanks so much.

  Ryan
  Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch
  (Former 1976 C&C 30)




  Sent from my iPhone

   




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[john sandford via CnC-List]

I sail 99% of the time alone, and so the first thing I looked at was how to
climb the mast solo.

Borrowed my neighbours ATN Mastclimber, which he raved about, and
subsequently bought one.

Yes I did a fair bit of research and read about folks who built their own,
and was duly impressed at their skills.

My take is that this is a critical pieces of safety equipment, life a
tether, or fall arrest harness, so I opted to leave the design and
manufacturing to the experts.

I always rig a safety line that Is looped around the mast, and then undone
and re-looped as I go past spreaders. Not the safest system, I know, but
will break up the drop height from <>46' to <>15'.

One downside of the ATM. The climbing clutches are hard anodised aluminium
which do a real number on any mast paint or anodisation. Particularly as you
get to the top and it is harder to hold them away.

I spent the winter with the mast out, and did a TOTAL rebuild of everything.
Also sanded off the anodisation and primed with zinc chromate  and
brightsides.

Looked great until the first climb with the ATN, which did a fair bit of
damage.

The next 3 trips were spent repairing the damage, primer, paint. This time I
took a cheap rubber backed floor mat, wrapped it around the mast, and
dragged it up as I went. 

Still thinking of ways  to simplify this work around, as I cant see me even
finding the mat if I have to go up when its blowing snot or in rough seas.

I made about 15 more trips up last summer, with the Loos Gauge to tuning the
rig, and always felt secure.

Some of the Imoca 60 folks use it, so it has a good pedigree.

 

Almost spring

 

John

LF38 

 

 

 

 

From: Ryan Doyle [mailto:ryanpdo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: March-16-17 2:31 PM
To: Patrick Davin
Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

 

Thanks Patrick and everyone for the warnings and suggestions.  Violet Hour
is a really pretty boat.

 

I just ordered an ATM mast climber for pickup Saturday.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 16, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Patrick Davin  wrote:

Here's how I do it: 

https://svviolethour.com/2015/04/22/how-to-climb-the-mast-solo-part-2/

 

https://svviolethour.com/2015/02/28/cleaning-the-boat-climbing-the-mast/
(earlier post with my first attempt; part 2 above has more details)

 

There are many different ways to do it. One of my goals was doing it
cheaply, with equipment I mostly already had. If you're willing to spend
some $$$, ATN mastclimber might be easier.

 

-Patrick

1984 C&C LF38

 

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:00 AM,  wrote:

From: Ryan Doyle 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: 
Bcc: 
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:01:15 -0400
Subject: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo
Hi All,

I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's about
22' up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.  However, I
have never climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work alone.  I'm
curious if anyone here has suggestions for doing this safely.  Is it
possible, or should I call in a professional?

I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could
find someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend $
on mast climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the last
time I have to do this.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks so much.

Ryan
Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch
(Former 1976 C&C 30)




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Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

The problem with cell phone cameras is that you have to let go of something to 
use them and rarely do they have a tether in case it gets dropped.  I’m a fan 
of wearing a helmet with a Go-Pro/Action Cam mounted on it.  You can re live 
the mast climb at your computer later on as well as having a helmet on your 
head in case something awful happens with your climbing gear/ bosun’s chair 
arrangement.  That said, I rarely ever go up the mast because I own a teenage 
son that loves to go aloft (with the Go Pro mount on his helmet)..

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 4:33 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

 

Agree with all Marek said, especially the cellphone camera.  I work aloft 
frequently but with a buddy.

 

The camera is great.  When we're scoping out a furler or rigging job, I can 
take a pic, email it to my buddy on the deck and we can discuss.  Nice.

 

I have a lineman's canvas tool bucket to take up.  It's great for holding all 
your tools, parts, etc.

 

Dennis C.

 

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Ryan,

 

+1 for what Patrick said. 

 

One extra note, though – the carabiners you use should be locking type (any 
time you use a carabiner to attach yourself to, it should be locked).

 

One more – instead of using a Prusik’s knot, use an extra ascender. Three would 
be enough (2 for climbing, one for extra backup – different line). The third 
one can be much smaller and cheaper than the two working ones (it is there only 
to stop you, if the main line you hang from breaks).

 

Take a few loops made of webbing for attaching yourself securely at the mast 
top or spreaders (actually, anywhere, where you work). It is much easier to 
hang from a properly attached webbing than from the halyard (e.g. you will 
swing much less). 

 

Attach all tools to your harness with  some paracord. Climbing down and up for 
the screwdriver is not that much fan (especially after the second time).

 

Not critical, but useful – take your cell phone with you. You can take a few 
pictures, but you can also use in in case of emergency.

 

Don’t use any shackles to attach yourself to the halyard – use knots, and only 
knots that you can trust.

 

Climbers know how to use ropes for climbing, so follow their advice (not the 
sailors’) (;-)

 

good luck and stay safe.

 

Marek

1994 C270 “Legato”

Ottawa, ON

 

 

From: Patrick Davin via CnC-List 

Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 12:25

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>  ; 
ryanpdo...@gmail.com <mailto:ryanpdo...@gmail.com>  

Cc: Patrick Davin 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

 

Here's how I do it: 

https://svviolethour.com/2015/04/22/how-to-climb-the-mast-solo-part-2/

 

https://svviolethour.com/2015/02/28/cleaning-the-boat-climbing-the-mast/  
(earlier post with my first attempt; part 2 above has more details)

 

There are many different ways to do it. One of my goals was doing it cheaply, 
with equipment I mostly already had. If you're willing to spend some $$$, ATN 
mastclimber might be easier.

 

-Patrick

1984 C&C LF38

 

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:00 AM, mailto:cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

From: Ryan Doyle mailto:ryanpdo...@gmail.com> >
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Cc: 
Bcc: 
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:01:15 -0400
Subject: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo
Hi All,

I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's about 22' 
up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.  However, I have never 
climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work alone.  I'm curious if anyone 
here has suggestions for doing this safely.  Is it possible, or should I call 
in a professional?

I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could find 
someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend $ on mast 
climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the last time I have 
to do this.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks so much.

Ryan
Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch
(Former 1976 C&C 30)




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Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Agree with all Marek said, especially the cellphone camera.  I work aloft
frequently but with a buddy.

The camera is great.  When we're scoping out a furler or rigging job, I can
take a pic, email it to my buddy on the deck and we can discuss.  Nice.

I have a lineman's canvas tool bucket to take up.  It's great for holding
all your tools, parts, etc.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ryan,
>
> +1 for what Patrick said.
>
> One extra note, though – the carabiners you use should be locking type
> (any time you use a carabiner to attach yourself to, it should be locked).
>
> One more – instead of using a Prusik’s knot, use an extra ascender. Three
> would be enough (2 for climbing, one for extra backup – different line).
> The third one can be much smaller and cheaper than the two working ones (it
> is there only to stop you, if the main line you hang from breaks).
>
> Take a few loops made of webbing for attaching yourself securely at the
> mast top or spreaders (actually, anywhere, where you work). It is much
> easier to hang from a properly attached webbing than from the halyard (e.g.
> you will swing much less).
>
> Attach all tools to your harness with  some paracord. Climbing down and up
> for the screwdriver is not that much fan (especially after the second time).
>
> Not critical, but useful – take your cell phone with you. You can take a
> few pictures, but you can also use in in case of emergency.
>
> Don’t use any shackles to attach yourself to the halyard – use knots, and
> only knots that you can trust.
>
> Climbers know how to use ropes for climbing, so follow their advice (not
> the sailors’) (;-)
>
> good luck and stay safe.
>
> Marek
> 1994 C270 “Legato”
> Ottawa, ON
>
>
> *From:* Patrick Davin via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 16, 2017 12:25
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com ; ryanpdo...@gmail.com
> *Cc:* Patrick Davin
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo
>
> Here's how I do it:
> https://svviolethour.com/2015/04/22/how-to-climb-the-mast-solo-part-2/
>
> https://svviolethour.com/2015/02/28/cleaning-the-boat-climbing-the-mast/
> (earlier post with my first attempt; part 2 above has more details)
>
> There are many different ways to do it. One of my goals was doing it
> cheaply, with equipment I mostly already had. If you're willing to spend
> some $$$, ATN mastclimber might be easier.
>
> -Patrick
> 1984 C&C LF38
>
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:00 AM,  wrote:
>
>> From: Ryan Doyle 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:01:15 -0400
>> Subject: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's
>> about 22' up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.
>> However, I have never climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work
>> alone.  I'm curious if anyone here has suggestions for doing this safely.
>> Is it possible, or should I call in a professional?
>>
>> I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could
>> find someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend $
>> on mast climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the last
>> time I have to do this.
>>
>> Any advice is appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks so much.
>>
>> Ryan
>> Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch
>> (Former 1976 C&C 30)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
>
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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Ryan,

+1 for what Patrick said.

One extra note, though – the carabiners you use should be locking type (any 
time you use a carabiner to attach yourself to, it should be locked).

One more – instead of using a Prusik’s knot, use an extra ascender. Three would 
be enough (2 for climbing, one for extra backup – different line). The third 
one can be much smaller and cheaper than the two working ones (it is there only 
to stop you, if the main line you hang from breaks).

Take a few loops made of webbing for attaching yourself securely at the mast 
top or spreaders (actually, anywhere, where you work). It is much easier to 
hang from a properly attached webbing than from the halyard (e.g. you will 
swing much less).

Attach all tools to your harness with  some paracord. Climbing down and up for 
the screwdriver is not that much fan (especially after the second time).

Not critical, but useful – take your cell phone with you. You can take a few 
pictures, but you can also use in in case of emergency.

Don’t use any shackles to attach yourself to the halyard – use knots, and only 
knots that you can trust.

Climbers know how to use ropes for climbing, so follow their advice (not the 
sailors’) (;-)

good luck and stay safe.

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON


From: Patrick Davin via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 12:25
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com ; ryanpdo...@gmail.com
Cc: Patrick Davin
Subject: Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

Here's how I do it:
https://svviolethour.com/2015/04/22/how-to-climb-the-mast-solo-part-2/

https://svviolethour.com/2015/02/28/cleaning-the-boat-climbing-the-mast/  
(earlier post with my first attempt; part 2 above has more details)

There are many different ways to do it. One of my goals was doing it cheaply, 
with equipment I mostly already had. If you're willing to spend some $$$, ATN 
mastclimber might be easier.

-Patrick
1984 C&C LF38

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:00 AM,  wrote:
From: Ryan Doyle 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:01:15 -0400
Subject: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo
Hi All,

I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's about 22' 
up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.  However, I have never 
climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work alone.  I'm curious if anyone 
here has suggestions for doing this safely.  Is it possible, or should I call 
in a professional?

I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could find 
someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend $ on mast 
climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the last time I have 
to do this.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks so much.

Ryan
Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch
(Former 1976 C&C 30)




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[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Thanks Patrick and everyone for the warnings and suggestions.  Violet Hour is a 
really pretty boat.

I just ordered an ATM mast climber for pickup Saturday.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2017, at 12:24 PM, Patrick Davin  wrote:
> 
> Here's how I do it: 
> https://svviolethour.com/2015/04/22/how-to-climb-the-mast-solo-part-2/
> 
> https://svviolethour.com/2015/02/28/cleaning-the-boat-climbing-the-mast/  
> (earlier post with my first attempt; part 2 above has more details)
> 
> There are many different ways to do it. One of my goals was doing it cheaply, 
> with equipment I mostly already had. If you're willing to spend some $$$, ATN 
> mastclimber might be easier.
> 
> -Patrick
> 1984 C&C LF38
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:00 AM,  wrote:
>> From: Ryan Doyle 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: 
>> Bcc: 
>> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:01:15 -0400
>> Subject: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's about 
>> 22' up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.  However, I 
>> have never climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work alone.  I'm 
>> curious if anyone here has suggestions for doing this safely.  Is it 
>> possible, or should I call in a professional?
>> 
>> I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could 
>> find someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend $ 
>> on mast climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the last 
>> time I have to do this.
>> 
>> Any advice is appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks so much.
>> 
>> Ryan
>> Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch
>> (Former 1976 C&C 30)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
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[Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List]

I use a Mast Mate. It's easy to setup and feels very secure...


http://www.mastmate.com/


Cheers,
Aaron R.
Admiral Maggie,
1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540
Annapolis, MD



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CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:01 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

Hi All,

I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's about 22' 
up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.  However, I have never 
climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work alone.  I'm curious if anyone 
here has suggestions for doing this safely.  Is it possible, or should I call 
in a professional?

I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could find 
someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend $$ on mast 
climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the last time I have 
to do this.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks so much.

Ryan
Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch
(Former 1976 C&C 30)




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[svpegasus38 via CnC-List]

Mike I couldn't agree more. If it take a SAFETY person to help. The job can 
wait. I personally don't go up my mast. My girlfriend does, she has replaced my 
wind instruments, radar some and cleaned my spreaders. I do the easy work, that 
being manning the winch. 


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus Lf38 
 Original message From: Persuasion37 via CnC-List 
 Date: 3/16/17  08:33  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Persuasion37  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Climbing the mast solo 

http://www.boatinternational.com/yachts/news/crewmember-dies-after-falling-on-sailing-yacht-germania-nova--33067
Enough said.  Don't do it alone make sure you are attached to the mast at all 
times
MikePERSUASION
C&C 37 K/CBLong Sault
On Mar 16, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hi All,

I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's about 22' 
up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.  However, I have never 
climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work alone.  I'm curious if anyone 
here has suggestions for doing this safely.  Is it possible, or should I call 
in a professional?  

I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could find 
someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend $$ on mast 
climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the last time I have 
to do this.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks so much.

Ryan
Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch 
(Former 1976 C&C 30)




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[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

Here's how I do it:
https://svviolethour.com/2015/04/22/how-to-climb-the-mast-solo-part-2/

https://svviolethour.com/2015/02/28/cleaning-the-boat-climbing-the-mast/
 (earlier post with my first attempt; part 2 above has more details)

There are many different ways to do it. One of my goals was doing it
cheaply, with equipment I mostly already had. If you're willing to spend
some $$$, ATN mastclimber might be easier.

-Patrick
1984 C&C LF38

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:00 AM,  wrote:

> From: Ryan Doyle 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:01:15 -0400
> Subject: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo
> Hi All,
>
> I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's
> about 22' up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.
> However, I have never climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work
> alone.  I'm curious if anyone here has suggestions for doing this safely.
> Is it possible, or should I call in a professional?
>
> I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could
> find someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend $
> on mast climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the last
> time I have to do this.
>
> Any advice is appreciated.
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> Ryan
> Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch
> (Former 1976 C&C 30)
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Might check this out:

http://l-36.com/unassisted_mast_climbing.php

Joel

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Persuasion37 via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.boatinternational.com/yachts/news/crewmember-
> dies-after-falling-on-sailing-yacht-germania-nova--33067
>
> Enough said.  Don't do it alone make sure you are attached to the mast at
> all times
>
> Mike
> PERSUASION
> C&C 37 K/CB
> Long Sault
>
> On Mar 16, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's
> about 22' up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.
> However, I have never climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work
> alone.  I'm curious if anyone here has suggestions for doing this safely.
> Is it possible, or should I call in a professional?
>
> I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could
> find someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend
> $$ on mast climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the
> last time I have to do this.
>
> Any advice is appreciated.
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> Ryan
> Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch
> (Former 1976 C&C 30)
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Persuasion37 via CnC-List]

http://www.boatinternational.com/yachts/news/crewmember-dies-after-falling-on-sailing-yacht-germania-nova--33067

Enough said.  Don't do it alone make sure you are attached to the mast at all 
times

Mike
PERSUASION
C&C 37 K/CB
Long Sault

> On Mar 16, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's about 
> 22' up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.  However, I have 
> never climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work alone.  I'm curious 
> if anyone here has suggestions for doing this safely.  Is it possible, or 
> should I call in a professional?  
> 
> I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could find 
> someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend $$ on 
> mast climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the last time 
> I have to do this.
> 
> Any advice is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks so much.
> 
> Ryan
> Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch 
> (Former 1976 C&C 30)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Steve via CnC-List]

I use a block and tackle system, hauled up by the main halyard.  I can haul 
myself up from that in a bosun’s seat.  The lower block has a jam cleat so I am 
able to lock myself in and free my hands.  Doing this alone is not the best 
idea, much better (safer) to have someone below on a winch, rather than me 
pulling the line.  Also, having a second halyard as a safety is probably an 
even safer way of doing this.  I’ve done it solo for experience, you never know 
when you might have to do it alone.  

Steve Roberts
C&C 36 CB
Palm Coast, FL
former C&C 27 owner

> On Mar 16, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's about 
> 22' up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.  However, I have 
> never climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work alone.  I'm curious 
> if anyone here has suggestions for doing this safely.  Is it possible, or 
> should I call in a professional?  
> 
> I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could find 
> someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend $$ on 
> mast climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the last time 
> I have to do this.
> 
> Any advice is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks so much.
> 
> Ryan
> Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch 
> (Former 1976 C&C 30)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Ryan — many on the list prefer a standard climbing harness and ascenders for 
this type of job.  I personally prefer to sit while working for long periods of 
time, so I use the ATN TopClimber (now called the “MastClimber”): 
http://www.atninc.com/atn-mastclimber-sailing-equipment.shtml 


I’ve had very good luck with this equipment; in a previous life as a marine 
electronics installer, I spent a LOT of time up masts, and always felt safe and 
comfortable.

YMMV…

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Mar 16, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's about 
> 22' up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.  However, I have 
> never climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work alone.  I'm curious 
> if anyone here has suggestions for doing this safely.  Is it possible, or 
> should I call in a professional?  
> 
> I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could find 
> someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend $$ on 
> mast climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the last time 
> I have to do this.
> 
> Any advice is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks so much.
> 
> Ryan
> Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch 
> (Former 1976 C&C 30)
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Re: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I've been using an ATN mast climber for a number of years.  It's a bit 
awkward, but okay once you figure it out.  For a bigger project like you 
describe, you may want to either hire a professional or arrange for a crane 
with a basket that you can stand in.


If you go with an ATN mast climber, be careful with painted masts as the ATN 
fittings will scratch through the paint.


-Original Message- 
From: Ryan Doyle via CnC-List

Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 11:01 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

Hi All,

I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's about 
22' up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.  However, I 
have never climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work alone.  I'm 
curious if anyone here has suggestions for doing this safely.  Is it 
possible, or should I call in a professional?


I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could 
find someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend $$ 
on mast climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the last 
time I have to do this.


Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks so much.

Ryan
Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch
(Former 1976 C&C 30)




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Stus-List Climbing the mast solo

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Hi All,

I need to replace the radar dome on my mizzenmast this weekend.  It's about 22' 
up.  I'm in solid shape and can climb without a problem.  However, I have never 
climbed a mast before, and I have to do this work alone.  I'm curious if anyone 
here has suggestions for doing this safely.  Is it possible, or should I call 
in a professional?  

I'll be down on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake, so I'm sure I could find 
someone, but I'd rather learn to do this myself and I'd rather spend $$ on mast 
climbing equipment than on a pro.  I'm sure this won't be the last time I have 
to do this.

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks so much.

Ryan
Juniper - 1983 Pearson 424 Ketch 
(Former 1976 C&C 30)




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