Re: Stus-List Crew Assignments - 35mkIII
Joel Yes I am dip pole gybing. My pole does not have the bridles necessary for end to end and the ends are quite different with one end set up for the ring on the mast and the other with jaws that automatically close when the plate inside is pushed down by the guy. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 16, 2015, at 08:29, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Jonathan Are you dip pole gybing? Joel On Sunday, August 16, 2015, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Josh I agree practice is key. Fortunately I have a pretty steady group who crew regularly most of whom have plenty of bug boat cruising experience but very limited to none spinnaker handling. I am hoping that by giving each a specific list of jobs to focus on there will be less confusion and less chance of mistakes. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 15, 2015, at 21:53, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Having been crew for over 10 years, it is my opinion that pigeon holing positions is great in theory if you can get the same crew week after week. Otherwise you need crew that is flexible and can adapt quickly. For example, foredeckers make the best cockpit and midships crew since they can anticipate the needs of the foredeck. More helpful than a jobs list is practice. Our crew would arrange practice on Tuesday night in preps for the Wednesday night race. Focus on tacks and spin jibes... Fast. Then spin launch and take down... Fast. You'll have time to talk and figure out what people need and where. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD I have a fairly green crew - and I put myself in that category when it comes to spinnaker handling - and we are trying to move more permanently into the beer can spinnaker division - using a symmetrical spinnaker. I am looking for help in defining specific jobs / task responsibilities to my crew so at least to start, they get to know set of jobs and do them well I think I have the standard set up for 35mk iii s Roller furled jib Spin halyard to base of mast and winch on cabin top just aft of mast on port side I use guys and sheets - no twings Pole topping lift brought aft to clutch on starboard cabin top Pole down haul brought aft to clam clear on starboard side of cockpit coming Self tailing primaries aft with non-self tailing secondaries forward I am not short of crew, but ideally would like to have clear assignments for six or seven individuals - though we often have a couple extra available. I would like to prepare (plagiarize if someone has this already!!) a table with positions in the left column and then a series of columns for upwind hoist trim gybe douse etc. and then each cell would define the job or jobs assigned to each position during that maneuver. While I am sure some of this is generic, I feel that the boat layout requires the assignments to be tailored so that crew don't get in each other's way Anybody got anything already prepared that I could use as a starting point? As always - grateful in advance for the individual and collective wisdom of this group. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Crew Assignments - 35mkIII
Jonathan Are you dip pole gybing? Joel On Sunday, August 16, 2015, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Josh I agree practice is key. Fortunately I have a pretty steady group who crew regularly most of whom have plenty of bug boat cruising experience but very limited to none spinnaker handling. I am hoping that by giving each a specific list of jobs to focus on there will be less confusion and less chance of mistakes. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 15, 2015, at 21:53, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); wrote: Having been crew for over 10 years, it is my opinion that pigeon holing positions is great in theory if you can get the same crew week after week. Otherwise you need crew that is flexible and can adapt quickly. For example, foredeckers make the best cockpit and midships crew since they can anticipate the needs of the foredeck. More helpful than a jobs list is practice. Our crew would arrange practice on Tuesday night in preps for the Wednesday night race. Focus on tacks and spin jibes... Fast. Then spin launch and take down... Fast. You'll have time to talk and figure out what people need and where. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD I have a fairly green crew - and I put myself in that category when it comes to spinnaker handling - and we are trying to move more permanently into the beer can spinnaker division - using a symmetrical spinnaker. I am looking for help in defining specific jobs / task responsibilities to my crew so at least to start, they get to know set of jobs and do them well I think I have the standard set up for 35mk iii s Roller furled jib Spin halyard to base of mast and winch on cabin top just aft of mast on port side I use guys and sheets - no twings Pole topping lift brought aft to clutch on starboard cabin top Pole down haul brought aft to clam clear on starboard side of cockpit coming Self tailing primaries aft with non-self tailing secondaries forward I am not short of crew, but ideally would like to have clear assignments for six or seven individuals - though we often have a couple extra available. I would like to prepare (plagiarize if someone has this already!!) a table with positions in the left column and then a series of columns for upwind hoist trim gybe douse etc. and then each cell would define the job or jobs assigned to each position during that maneuver. While I am sure some of this is generic, I feel that the boat layout requires the assignments to be tailored so that crew don't get in each other's way Anybody got anything already prepared that I could use as a starting point? As always - grateful in advance for the individual and collective wisdom of this group. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','CnC-List@cnc-list.com'); To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','CnC-List@cnc-list.com'); To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Crew Assignments - 35mkIII
Josh I agree practice is key. Fortunately I have a pretty steady group who crew regularly most of whom have plenty of bug boat cruising experience but very limited to none spinnaker handling. I am hoping that by giving each a specific list of jobs to focus on there will be less confusion and less chance of mistakes. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 15, 2015, at 21:53, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Having been crew for over 10 years, it is my opinion that pigeon holing positions is great in theory if you can get the same crew week after week. Otherwise you need crew that is flexible and can adapt quickly. For example, foredeckers make the best cockpit and midships crew since they can anticipate the needs of the foredeck. More helpful than a jobs list is practice. Our crew would arrange practice on Tuesday night in preps for the Wednesday night race. Focus on tacks and spin jibes... Fast. Then spin launch and take down... Fast. You'll have time to talk and figure out what people need and where. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD I have a fairly green crew - and I put myself in that category when it comes to spinnaker handling - and we are trying to move more permanently into the beer can spinnaker division - using a symmetrical spinnaker. I am looking for help in defining specific jobs / task responsibilities to my crew so at least to start, they get to know set of jobs and do them well I think I have the standard set up for 35mk iii s Roller furled jib Spin halyard to base of mast and winch on cabin top just aft of mast on port side I use guys and sheets - no twings Pole topping lift brought aft to clutch on starboard cabin top Pole down haul brought aft to clam clear on starboard side of cockpit coming Self tailing primaries aft with non-self tailing secondaries forward I am not short of crew, but ideally would like to have clear assignments for six or seven individuals - though we often have a couple extra available. I would like to prepare (plagiarize if someone has this already!!) a table with positions in the left column and then a series of columns for upwind hoist trim gybe douse etc. and then each cell would define the job or jobs assigned to each position during that maneuver. While I am sure some of this is generic, I feel that the boat layout requires the assignments to be tailored so that crew don't get in each other's way Anybody got anything already prepared that I could use as a starting point? As always - grateful in advance for the individual and collective wisdom of this group. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Crew Assignments - 35mkIII
Jonathan, I'm usually driving, and Jake and others can correct me as needed. I added a cam cleat on the mast for the halyard without the nice gizmo Dennis has. The mast man hoists and cleats the halyard there. Once everything is under control, the pit man pulls the halyard tight so he can release the halyard on the douse. The set is pretty standard. If your track goes close to the deck your mast man can attach it the pole when you get near the windward mark. Guy in the jaws. On the final approach,bowman attaches topping lift. Mast man raises inboard end. Pit raises outboard end. Pit preefeeds guy and hands it off to trimmer. After the mark, bear off, mastmand hoists with help from bow. Trimmer trims, someone furls jib. Gybe: Mastman trips pole, raises inboard end; pit drops outboard end. Bow centers pole, attaches new guy, yells MADE, Pit raises pole, mast drops inboard end while guy trimmer trims. (sounds simple!) Douse - leeward, Unfurl jib, open hatch. pit drops pole slightly if needed, mast trips pole to release guy. Mast and bow grab chute, yell READY. Guy is released, pit drops halyard without letting chute hit the water. mast and pit get pole on deck, make sure you are clear to tack. Hope this helps. Joel On Sunday, August 16, 2015, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joel Yes I am dip pole gybing. My pole does not have the bridles necessary for end to end and the ends are quite different with one end set up for the ring on the mast and the other with jaws that automatically close when the plate inside is pushed down by the guy. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 16, 2015, at 08:29, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); wrote: Jonathan Are you dip pole gybing? Joel On Sunday, August 16, 2015, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); wrote: Josh I agree practice is key. Fortunately I have a pretty steady group who crew regularly most of whom have plenty of bug boat cruising experience but very limited to none spinnaker handling. I am hoping that by giving each a specific list of jobs to focus on there will be less confusion and less chance of mistakes. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 15, 2015, at 21:53, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Having been crew for over 10 years, it is my opinion that pigeon holing positions is great in theory if you can get the same crew week after week. Otherwise you need crew that is flexible and can adapt quickly. For example, foredeckers make the best cockpit and midships crew since they can anticipate the needs of the foredeck. More helpful than a jobs list is practice. Our crew would arrange practice on Tuesday night in preps for the Wednesday night race. Focus on tacks and spin jibes... Fast. Then spin launch and take down... Fast. You'll have time to talk and figure out what people need and where. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD I have a fairly green crew - and I put myself in that category when it comes to spinnaker handling - and we are trying to move more permanently into the beer can spinnaker division - using a symmetrical spinnaker. I am looking for help in defining specific jobs / task responsibilities to my crew so at least to start, they get to know set of jobs and do them well I think I have the standard set up for 35mk iii s Roller furled jib Spin halyard to base of mast and winch on cabin top just aft of mast on port side I use guys and sheets - no twings Pole topping lift brought aft to clutch on starboard cabin top Pole down haul brought aft to clam clear on starboard side of cockpit coming Self tailing primaries aft with non-self tailing secondaries forward I am not short of crew, but ideally would like to have clear assignments for six or seven individuals - though we often have a couple extra available. I would like to prepare (plagiarize if someone has this already!!) a table with positions in the left column and then a series of columns for upwind hoist trim gybe douse etc. and then each cell would define the job or jobs assigned to each position during that maneuver. While I am sure some of this is generic, I feel that the boat layout requires the assignments to be tailored so that crew don't get in each other's way Anybody got anything already prepared that I could use as a starting point? As always - grateful in advance for the individual and collective wisdom of this group. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address:
Re: Stus-List Crew Assignments - 35mkIII
All this info is very helpful. Thank you all for contributing. I still think a table will clarify things for everyone - and then allow me to rotate positions to get everyone familiar with the entire process. I have one further question re spinnaker trim. My spin sheets go to snatch block on the toe rail at the transom. Is there a recommended / best way on the 35III specifically to lead the sheet to the trimmer who is standing by the shrouds. Should I forget the secondaries (forward of primaries) and use one of the small winches on the same side as the snatch block , or cross the cockpit to a small winch on the same side as the trimmer. Doesn't seem to make sense to use the secondaries for the sheets - but use them only for the guys - am I correct there ? -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 16, 2015, at 11:39, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Jonathan, I'm usually driving, and Jake and others can correct me as needed. I added a cam cleat on the mast for the halyard without the nice gizmo Dennis has. The mast man hoists and cleats the halyard there. Once everything is under control, the pit man pulls the halyard tight so he can release the halyard on the douse. The set is pretty standard. If your track goes close to the deck your mast man can attach it the pole when you get near the windward mark. Guy in the jaws. On the final approach,bowman attaches topping lift. Mast man raises inboard end. Pit raises outboard end. Pit preefeeds guy and hands it off to trimmer. After the mark, bear off, mastmand hoists with help from bow. Trimmer trims, someone furls jib. Gybe: Mastman trips pole, raises inboard end; pit drops outboard end. Bow centers pole, attaches new guy, yells MADE, Pit raises pole, mast drops inboard end while guy trimmer trims. (sounds simple!) Douse - leeward, Unfurl jib, open hatch. pit drops pole slightly if needed, mast trips pole to release guy. Mast and bow grab chute, yell READY. Guy is released, pit drops halyard without letting chute hit the water. mast and pit get pole on deck, make sure you are clear to tack. Hope this helps. Joel On Sunday, August 16, 2015, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Joel Yes I am dip pole gybing. My pole does not have the bridles necessary for end to end and the ends are quite different with one end set up for the ring on the mast and the other with jaws that automatically close when the plate inside is pushed down by the guy. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 16, 2015, at 08:29, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Jonathan Are you dip pole gybing? Joel On Sunday, August 16, 2015, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Josh I agree practice is key. Fortunately I have a pretty steady group who crew regularly most of whom have plenty of bug boat cruising experience but very limited to none spinnaker handling. I am hoping that by giving each a specific list of jobs to focus on there will be less confusion and less chance of mistakes. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 15, 2015, at 21:53, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Having been crew for over 10 years, it is my opinion that pigeon holing positions is great in theory if you can get the same crew week after week. Otherwise you need crew that is flexible and can adapt quickly. For example, foredeckers make the best cockpit and midships crew since they can anticipate the needs of the foredeck. More helpful than a jobs list is practice. Our crew would arrange practice on Tuesday night in preps for the Wednesday night race. Focus on tacks and spin jibes... Fast. Then spin launch and take down... Fast. You'll have time to talk and figure out what people need and where. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD I have a fairly green crew - and I put myself in that category when it comes to spinnaker handling - and we are trying to move more permanently into the beer can spinnaker division - using a symmetrical spinnaker. I am looking for help in defining specific jobs / task responsibilities to my crew so at least to start, they get to know set of jobs and do them well I think I have the standard set up for 35mk iii s Roller furled jib Spin halyard to base of mast and winch on cabin top just aft of mast on port side I use guys and sheets - no twings Pole topping lift brought aft to clutch on starboard cabin top Pole down haul brought aft to clam clear on starboard side of cockpit coming Self tailing primaries aft with non-self tailing secondaries forward I am not short of crew, but ideally would like to have clear assignments for six or seven individuals - though we often have a couple extra available. I would like to prepare (plagiarize if someone has this already!!) a
Re: Stus-List Crew Assignments - 35mkIII
On my boat, the primaries are the non-self tailing larger (Barient 28) winches that are forward, and the secondaries are the smaller (Barient 23) self-tailing winches aft. My trimmer stands at the shrouds so he can see the curl of the spinnaker. We put one or two wraps on the secondary winch, and the cockpit crew can help at the winch when the wind is too strong for the trimmer to trim unassisted. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR All this info is very helpful. Thank you all for contributing. I still think a table will clarify things for everyone - and then allow me to rotate positions to get everyone familiar with the entire process. I have one further question re spinnaker trim. My spin sheets go to snatch block on the toe rail at the transom. Is there a recommended / best way on the 35III specifically to lead the sheet to the trimmer who is standing by the shrouds. Should I forget the secondaries (forward of primaries) and use one of the small winches on the same side as the snatch block , or cross the cockpit to a small winch on the same side as the trimmer. Doesn't seem to make sense to use the secondaries for the sheets - but use them only for the guys - am I correct there ? -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 16, 2015, at 11:39, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Jonathan, I'm usually driving, and Jake and others can correct me as needed. I added a cam cleat on the mast for the halyard without the nice gizmo Dennis has. The mast man hoists and cleats the halyard there. Once everything is under control, the pit man pulls the halyard tight so he can release the halyard on the douse. The set is pretty standard. If your track goes close to the deck your mast man can attach it the pole when you get near the windward mark. Guy in the jaws. On the final approach,bowman attaches topping lift. Mast man raises inboard end. Pit raises outboard end. Pit preefeeds guy and hands it off to trimmer. After the mark, bear off, mastmand hoists with help from bow. Trimmer trims, someone furls jib. Gybe: Mastman trips pole, raises inboard end; pit drops outboard end. Bow centers pole, attaches new guy, yells MADE, Pit raises pole, mast drops inboard end while guy trimmer trims. (sounds simple!) Douse - leeward, Unfurl jib, open hatch. pit drops pole slightly if needed, mast trips pole to release guy. Mast and bow grab chute, yell READY. Guy is released, pit drops halyard without letting chute hit the water. mast and pit get pole on deck, make sure you are clear to tack. Hope this helps. Joel On Sunday, August 16, 2015, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote Joel Yes I am dip pole gybing. My pole does not have the bridles necessary for end to end and the ends are quite different with one end set up for the ring on the mast and the other with jaws that automatically close when the plate inside is pushed down by the guy. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 16, 2015, at 08:29, Joel Aronson via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote Jonathan Are you dip pole gybing? Joel On Sunday, August 16, 2015, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote Josh I agree practice is key. Fortunately I have a pretty steady group who crew regularly most of whom have plenty of bug boat cruising experience but very limited to none spinnaker handling. I am hoping that by giving each a specific list of jobs to focus on there will be less confusion and less chance of mistakes. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT On Aug 15, 2015, at 21:53, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: blockquote Having been crew for over 10 years, it is my opinion that pigeon holing positions is great in theory if you can get the same crew week after week. Otherwise you need crew that is flexible and can adapt quickly. For example, foredeckers make the best cockpit and midships crew since they can anticipate the needs of the foredeck. More helpful than a jobs list is practice. Our crew would arrange practice on Tuesday night in preps for the Wednesday night race. Focus on tacks and spin jibes... Fast. Then spin launch and take down... Fast. You'll have time to talk and figure out what people need and where. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD I have a fairly green crew - and I put myself in that category when it comes to spinnaker handling - and we are trying to move more permanently into the beer can spinnaker division - using a symmetrical spinnaker. I am looking for help in defining specific jobs / task responsibilities to my crew so at least to start, they get to know set of jobs and do them well I think I have the standard set up for 35mk iii s Roller furled jib Spin halyard to base of mast and winch on cabin top just aft of mast on port side I use guys and sheets - no
Re: Stus-List Crew Assignments - 35mkIII
We cross the cockpit to the small winch on the trimmer's side - I think basically it will come down to whatever works best once you give it a try -- Forwarded message -- From: Indigo ind...@thethomsons.us To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 12:40:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Stus-List Crew Assignments - 35mkIII All this info is very helpful. Thank you all for contributing. I still think a table will clarify things for everyone - and then allow me to rotate positions to get everyone familiar with the entire process. I have one further question re spinnaker trim. My spin sheets go to snatch block on the toe rail at the transom. Is there a recommended / best way on the 35III specifically to lead the sheet to the trimmer who is standing by the shrouds. Should I forget the secondaries (forward of primaries) and use one of the small winches on the same side as the snatch block , or cross the cockpit to a small winch on the same side as the trimmer. Doesn't seem to make sense to use the secondaries for the sheets - but use them only for the guys - am I correct there ? -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Crew Assignments - 35mkIII
Hi Jonathan - I've uploaded a document (link below) that explains crew positions / tasks at various maneuvers. It's 94kb - I think on the edge for a message post here. I put this together when I moved to CT and basically had to build a crew from scratch with non-sailors. 99% comes from a manual put together for a boat called Greyhawk. Some people can get some learning from reading this; others will need visual / practical experience first. I think it provides access to concepts / terms before on-the-water experience. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B49oZ17ORKwEeW1VV1NCRWpsbjQ/view?usp=sharing I have swapped the primaries / secondaries on Mojito - the primaries are forward, which gives the jib trimmers a little more room while allowing them to face forward to trim from behind the winch (our main traveler is on the bridge deck too). We use the (aft) secondaries for the spin sheet initially, but that's sometimes gets swapped to the primaries during gybes. The sheet runs from a turning block aft on the rail to the winch and then across the cockpit to the person trimming on the side deck (way aft of the shrouds). That seems to work OK - the main and guy trimmers shouldn't be affected. Thanks, Tim On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have a fairly green crew - and I put myself in that category when it comes to spinnaker handling - and we are trying to move more permanently into the beer can spinnaker division - using a symmetrical spinnaker. I am looking for help in defining specific jobs / task responsibilities to my crew so at least to start, they get to know set of jobs and do them well I think I have the standard set up for 35mk iii s Roller furled jib Spin halyard to base of mast and winch on cabin top just aft of mast on port side I use guys and sheets - no twings Pole topping lift brought aft to clutch on starboard cabin top Pole down haul brought aft to clam clear on starboard side of cockpit coming Self tailing primaries aft with non-self tailing secondaries forward I am not short of crew, but ideally would like to have clear assignments for six or seven individuals - though we often have a couple extra available. I would like to prepare (plagiarize if someone has this already!!) a table with positions in the left column and then a series of columns for upwind hoist trim gybe douse etc. and then each cell would define the job or jobs assigned to each position during that maneuver. While I am sure some of this is generic, I feel that the boat layout requires the assignments to be tailored so that crew don't get in each other's way Anybody got anything already prepared that I could use as a starting point? As always - grateful in advance for the individual and collective wisdom of this group. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Crew Assignments - 35mkIII
Having been crew for over 10 years, it is my opinion that pigeon holing positions is great in theory if you can get the same crew week after week. Otherwise you need crew that is flexible and can adapt quickly. For example, foredeckers make the best cockpit and midships crew since they can anticipate the needs of the foredeck. More helpful than a jobs list is practice. Our crew would arrange practice on Tuesday night in preps for the Wednesday night race. Focus on tacks and spin jibes... Fast. Then spin launch and take down... Fast. You'll have time to talk and figure out what people need and where. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD I have a fairly green crew - and I put myself in that category when it comes to spinnaker handling - and we are trying to move more permanently into the beer can spinnaker division - using a symmetrical spinnaker. I am looking for help in defining specific jobs / task responsibilities to my crew so at least to start, they get to know set of jobs and do them well I think I have the standard set up for 35mk iii s Roller furled jib Spin halyard to base of mast and winch on cabin top just aft of mast on port side I use guys and sheets - no twings Pole topping lift brought aft to clutch on starboard cabin top Pole down haul brought aft to clam clear on starboard side of cockpit coming Self tailing primaries aft with non-self tailing secondaries forward I am not short of crew, but ideally would like to have clear assignments for six or seven individuals - though we often have a couple extra available. I would like to prepare (plagiarize if someone has this already!!) a table with positions in the left column and then a series of columns for upwind hoist trim gybe douse etc. and then each cell would define the job or jobs assigned to each position during that maneuver. While I am sure some of this is generic, I feel that the boat layout requires the assignments to be tailored so that crew don't get in each other's way Anybody got anything already prepared that I could use as a starting point? As always - grateful in advance for the individual and collective wisdom of this group. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Crew Assignments - 35mkIII
I have a fairly green crew - and I put myself in that category when it comes to spinnaker handling - and we are trying to move more permanently into the beer can spinnaker division - using a symmetrical spinnaker. I am looking for help in defining specific jobs / task responsibilities to my crew so at least to start, they get to know set of jobs and do them well I think I have the standard set up for 35mk iii s Roller furled jib Spin halyard to base of mast and winch on cabin top just aft of mast on port side I use guys and sheets - no twings Pole topping lift brought aft to clutch on starboard cabin top Pole down haul brought aft to clam clear on starboard side of cockpit coming Self tailing primaries aft with non-self tailing secondaries forward I am not short of crew, but ideally would like to have clear assignments for six or seven individuals - though we often have a couple extra available. I would like to prepare (plagiarize if someone has this already!!) a table with positions in the left column and then a series of columns for upwind hoist trim gybe douse etc. and then each cell would define the job or jobs assigned to each position during that maneuver. While I am sure some of this is generic, I feel that the boat layout requires the assignments to be tailored so that crew don't get in each other's way Anybody got anything already prepared that I could use as a starting point? As always - grateful in advance for the individual and collective wisdom of this group. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Crew Assignments - 35mkIII
Jonathan, I think I have what you need (when we get back from a mini-cruise). Do you have any capability to get the halyard back to the cockpit too? That way your pit person could handle all up / down lines. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Aug 15, 2015, at 9:16 AM, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have a fairly green crew - and I put myself in that category when it comes to spinnaker handling - and we are trying to move more permanently into the beer can spinnaker division - using a symmetrical spinnaker. I am looking for help in defining specific jobs / task responsibilities to my crew so at least to start, they get to know set of jobs and do them well I think I have the standard set up for 35mk iii s Roller furled jib Spin halyard to base of mast and winch on cabin top just aft of mast on port side I use guys and sheets - no twings Pole topping lift brought aft to clutch on starboard cabin top Pole down haul brought aft to clam clear on starboard side of cockpit coming Self tailing primaries aft with non-self tailing secondaries forward I am not short of crew, but ideally would like to have clear assignments for six or seven individuals - though we often have a couple extra available. I would like to prepare (plagiarize if someone has this already!!) a table with positions in the left column and then a series of columns for upwind hoist trim gybe douse etc. and then each cell would define the job or jobs assigned to each position during that maneuver. While I am sure some of this is generic, I feel that the boat layout requires the assignments to be tailored so that crew don't get in each other's way Anybody got anything already prepared that I could use as a starting point? As always - grateful in advance for the individual and collective wisdom of this group. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Crew Assignments - 35mkIII
Jonathan, First thing I'd recommend you do is to install a spinnaker halyard parker cleat. Get one of these: http://www.apsltd.com/spinnaker-halyard-parking-bracket.html?___SID=U Add a camcleat and bolt it to your mast so your mastman can hoist the chute, park the halyard and move on to other tasks. The halyard can be tidied up later. The way it works is the camcleat opening faces the mast. During the hoist, the mastman is pulling the halyard down and outboard. When he lets go, the halyard is cleated. When to tidy up by taking out slack after the turning block, the halyard will be uncleated as it is pulled towards the mast. I'll let others pipe in on the crew assignments. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Indigo via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have a fairly green crew - and I put myself in that category when it comes to spinnaker handling - and we are trying to move more permanently into the beer can spinnaker division - using a symmetrical spinnaker. I am looking for help in defining specific jobs / task responsibilities to my crew so at least to start, they get to know set of jobs and do them well I think I have the standard set up for 35mk iii s Roller furled jib Spin halyard to base of mast and winch on cabin top just aft of mast on port side I use guys and sheets - no twings Pole topping lift brought aft to clutch on starboard cabin top Pole down haul brought aft to clam clear on starboard side of cockpit coming Self tailing primaries aft with non-self tailing secondaries forward I am not short of crew, but ideally would like to have clear assignments for six or seven individuals - though we often have a couple extra available. I would like to prepare (plagiarize if someone has this already!!) a table with positions in the left column and then a series of columns for upwind hoist trim gybe douse etc. and then each cell would define the job or jobs assigned to each position during that maneuver. While I am sure some of this is generic, I feel that the boat layout requires the assignments to be tailored so that crew don't get in each other's way Anybody got anything already prepared that I could use as a starting point? As always - grateful in advance for the individual and collective wisdom of this group. -- Jonathan Indigo CC 35III SOUTHPORT CT ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
