Stus-List Re: Anchor

[Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List]

A 35# spade or excel are both top notch anchors. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE 
DeviceDoug MountjoyPort Orchard YCPort Orchard,  WAsv Rebecca Leah1988 C LF39 
 Original message From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
 Date: 7/11/21  5:13 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Stus-List 
 Cc: Korbey Hunt  Subject: 
Stus-List Anchor 

Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small for  is 
too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless 35 lb CQR  
anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?  Anyone have 
thoughts on the matter.  



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Stus-List Re: Anchor

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

For more anchor testing than you can imagine, check out the SV Panope 
channel on youtube - Steve is an anchor testing fanatic. Holding, 
different bottoms, veer testing...


I'm running a 15kg Rocna with 65 ft of chain plus nylon.  So far so good...

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2021-07-11 9:13 p.m., Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:


When I bought my first real keel boat in 1994 (my C 25 la Belle 
Aurore) I needed to ake classes to learn how to deal with those big 
green and red thingies in Delaware Bay – and tcommercial ship traffic 
that goes with them. My instructor in the Power Squadron was a 
somewhat grizzled old retired USCG Master Chief. He had a number of 
rules of thumb that have served me well over the years:


1 pound of anchor per foot of boat length

1 foot of chain per foot of boat length

1” of fender diameter per 4 feet of boat length

And so on.

For Imzadi (C 38 mkll) I have 65’ of high test chain and 200 feet of 
nylon for each of the two anchors on the bow. They are a 22KG Bruce 
and a 45 lb. CQR. (I don’t like Danforth anchors – every boat that has 
dragged in the harbor in my home town has had one. The just won’t 
reset when dislodged by reversing currents and wind that we have.) My 
25 has a 25 lb. CQR and 30 feet of chain – but it is a day sailor and 
not usually out in storms.


And I have additional (bigger) hurricane anchors for both of them.

I have Bruce and CQR anchors, but the cruisers that I see in my marina 
swear by Rocna and seem to be favoring the Mantus anchors lately. My 
guess is that would be my first choice if I updated my ground tackle.


BTW, the website for Fortress/Guardian anchors has some useful 
information on anticipated  loads based on wind speed and size/type of 
boat that are helpful in determining what size anchor, chain, nylon, 
and windlass you might need for your boat.


Rick Brass

ImzadiC 38 mk2 #47

la Belle AuroreC 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

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*Subject:* Stus-List Anchor

Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small 
for  is too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare 
stainless 35 lb CQR  anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a 
better choice?  Anyone have thoughts on the matter.


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Stus-List Re: Anchor

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

When I bought my first real keel boat in 1994 (my C 25 la Belle Aurore) I
needed to ake classes to learn how to deal with those big green and red
thingies in Delaware Bay - and tcommercial ship traffic that goes with them.
My instructor in the Power Squadron was a somewhat grizzled old retired USCG
Master Chief. He had a number of rules of thumb that have served me well
over the years:

1 pound of anchor per foot of boat length

1 foot of chain per foot of boat length

1" of fender diameter per 4 feet of boat length 

And so on.

 

For Imzadi (C 38 mkll) I have 65' of high test chain and 200 feet of nylon
for each of the two anchors on the bow. They are a 22KG Bruce and a 45 lb.
CQR. (I don't like Danforth anchors - every boat that has dragged in the
harbor in my home town has had one. The just won't reset when dislodged by
reversing currents and wind that we have.) My 25 has a 25 lb. CQR and 30
feet of chain - but it is a day sailor and not usually out in storms.

 

And I have additional (bigger) hurricane anchors for both of them.

 

I have Bruce and CQR anchors, but the cruisers that I see in my marina swear
by Rocna and seem to be favoring the Mantus anchors lately. My guess is that
would be my first choice if I updated my ground tackle.

 

BTW, the website for Fortress/Guardian anchors has some useful information
on anticipated  loads based on wind speed and size/type of boat that are
helpful in determining what size anchor, chain, nylon, and windlass you
might need for your boat.

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 8:13 AM
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Subject: Stus-List Anchor

 

Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small for
is too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless 35 lb
CQR  anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?  Anyone
have thoughts on the matter.  

 

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Stus-List Re: Anchor

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

You would hold better with more chain, like 35-50 ft min of 5/16 for your
C 34 and scope is very important. So mark you rode and try to get a good
set and put out at least 4 times as much rode as depth but preferably 7
times. I have a C 35 and have used 35 pound CQR and now 15 Kg Bruce with
50 feet of chain. The Bruce has never slipped and has held strong in
conditions where I wished I were on a mooring. In one blow it held two
boats rafted together overnight but none of us slept well.

On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 9:13 AM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
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> Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small
> for  is too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless
> 35 lb CQR  anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?
> Anyone have thoughts on the matter.
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Stus-List Re: Anchor

[John McCrea via CnC-List]

Not a CQR fan, they have a tendency to drag. I have a 35 Bruce and 80 feet of 
chain. 

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> On Jul 11, 2021, at 11:00 AM, Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Korby
> 
> On our 36 I use a 35 lb CQR and 25 feet of chain.   We are in The North East 
> in Nova Scotia.   It has worked well for years.  I am sure the newer anchors 
> may work better however I have to date not had the anchor drag.
> 
> If you have a spare don't bother to go out and buy a new one.
> 
> Adam Hayden
> C 36
> 
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> From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021, 9:13 a.m.
> To: Stus-List
> Cc: Korbey Hunt
> Subject: Stus-List Anchor
> 
> Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small for  
> is too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless 35 lb 
> CQR  anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?  Anyone have 
> thoughts on the matter.  
> 
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Stus-List Re: Anchor

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Rockna w 100’ of chain plus 200’ rode.  In the Pacific northwest more chain 
seems to be the default.  I suspect the same goes for AK.

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


> On Jul 11, 2021, at 7:56 AM, Korbey Hunt via CnC-List  
> wrote:
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> From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 6:51:12 AM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: Korbey Hunt ; Adam Hayden 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Anchor
>  
> Korby
> 
> On our 36 I use a 35 lb CQR and 25 feet of chain.   We are in The North East 
> in Nova Scotia.   It has worked well for years.  I am sure the newer anchors 
> may work better however I have to date not had the anchor drag.
> 
> If you have a spare don't bother to go out and buy a new one.
> 
> Adam Hayden
> C 36
> 
> Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada’s largest network.
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> From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021, 9:13 a.m.
> To: Stus-List
> Cc: Korbey Hunt
> Subject: Stus-List Anchor
> 
> Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small for  
> is too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless 35 lb 
> CQR  anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?  Anyone have 
> thoughts on the matter.  
> 
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[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

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From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
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Cc: Korbey Hunt ; Adam Hayden 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Anchor

Korby

On our 36 I use a 35 lb CQR and 25 feet of chain.   We are in The North East in 
Nova Scotia.   It has worked well for years.  I am sure the newer anchors may 
work better however I have to date not had the anchor drag.

If you have a spare don't bother to go out and buy a new one.

Adam Hayden
C 36

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To: Stus-List
Cc: Korbey Hunt
Subject: Stus-List Anchor

Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small for  is 
too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless 35 lb CQR  
anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?  Anyone have 
thoughts on the matter.

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[Adam Hayden via CnC-List]

Korby

On our 36 I use a 35 lb CQR and 25 feet of chain.   We are in The North East in 
Nova Scotia.   It has worked well for years.  I am sure the newer anchors may 
work better however I have to date not had the anchor drag.

If you have a spare don't bother to go out and buy a new one.

Adam Hayden
C 36

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From: Korbey Hunt via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021, 9:13 a.m.
To: Stus-List
Cc: Korbey Hunt
Subject: Stus-List Anchor

Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small for  is 
too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless 35 lb CQR  
anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?  Anyone have 
thoughts on the matter.

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Stus-List Re: Anchor

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I traded in my CQR for a Manson Supreme a couple of years ago and have been
very pleased with it after being a CQR guy for decades.
Andy
Baltic 47 Masquerade

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI
USA 02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/

phone  +401 965 5260


On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 8:13 AM Korbey Hunt via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Give been told my 22# Danforth anchor with 15 ft of chain is too small
> for  is too small for my 34 ft C in SE Alaska. I have a spare stainless
> 35 lb CQR  anchor on my trawler in MX.  Would this be a better choice?
> Anyone have thoughts on the matter.
>
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Stus-List Re: Anchor chain hook on bow?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

I ended up putting on a chain stopper like the one Lewmar makes.  They look
like the following:

https://www.amazon.com/MxEol-Marine-Anchor-Chain-Stainless/dp/B06XKXQZ6Z/ref=asc_df_B06XKXQZ6Z/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=343251581167==g=13357802507350687517t===1015146=pla-786375401417=1===69473715299===343251581167==g=13357802507350687517==t===1015146=pla-786375401417

In fact I got the Amazon one, figuring that ir i didn't like it. I could
return it and get Lewmar version.  So far, I have only used it a few times,
but it seems to do a good job of locking in when I need it to, and holding
firm to motor and pull the anchor out of the sand and mud.

One thing became apparent though.  You need to attach the anchor rode to
the chain using a chain splice because a shackle won't fit through the
stopper.  Not a big deal, but just so you know...

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+
"Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
(847)
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Stus-List Re: Anchor chain hook on bow?

[Dave S via CnC-List]

When I bought Windstar, she had a semi rusted conventional chain hook on a 
short length of line tossed in the anchor locker, along with her 50’ of chain 
and 150’ 4-plait rode.  Didn’t take long to learn why.  

I had contemplated adding fixed gadgets to accomplish what you describe 
(‘taking a load off off your shoulders/buying time) but I’ve found that the 
versatility and simplicity of the hook is probably best for me, all things 
considered.  I use it often.  

If I had a windlass and always anchored ‘on chain’ it would be different but 
sometimes -usually- simple is best IMO.

I have a bowline tied into one end and I can luggage tag the line into the toe 
rail, loop it over the cleat, whatever.  On my project list is making it 
Prettier with new rope and a braided eye, and maybe some chafe protection like 
a down east schoonerman, but that’s it. 

Dave.  Windstar 33-2




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> On Feb 26, 2021, at 5:21 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>  I mounted one of these between the locker and the roller.  I bungie it  up 
> when dropping and let it ride on the chain on the way up.  I also use it to 
> take the tension off the windlass any time the anchor is set or up.
> 
> https://www.fisheriessupply.com/lewmar-anchor-lock/66840069
> 
> Tom B
> 
> At 01:25 PM 2/26/2021, you wrote:
>> Hi Bruce- Did you get any suggestions?  I have the same issue and have not 
>> found a solution I like yet.  Dave
>> 
>> S/V Aries
>> 1990 C 34+
>> New London, CT
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 10:40 PM, bwhitmore via CnC-List  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I was reading through one of the sailing magazines, and there was 
>>> commentary about the value of a windlass or "at least an anchor chain hook" 
>>> you can use to take a break when hoisting anchor.  
>>> 
>>> While I don't feel the need for a windlass yet, I have had situations when 
>>> raising the anchor where I've needed to wrap chain around one of the 
>>> forward cleats because a wind gust is blowing me off.  This usually results 
>>> in some chain finding its way through my hands, and much more concerning is 
>>> the chance for hands to be caught between the chain and the cleat with 
>>> crushingly obvious consequences.  If I had the ability to easily hook the 
>>> chain to hold it while the bow swings off the wind or for the purposes of 
>>> pulling the hook out of the mud would be helpful.  
>>> 
>>> Is there such a hook that can be permanently mounted on the bow/anchor 
>>> roller where I could simply put the chain under moderate tension for a 
>>> minute or two while things get sorted out?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for your insights,
>>> 
>>> Bruce Whitmore 
>>> C 37/40+ "Astralis"
>>> Madeira Beach, FL 
>>> 
>>> 
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> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Anchor chain hook on bow?

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I mounted one of these between the locker and the 
roller.  I bungie it  up when dropping and let it 
ride on the chain on the way up.  I also use it 
to take the tension off the windlass any time the anchor is set or up.


https://www.fisheriessupply.com/lewmar-anchor-lock/66840069

Tom B

At 01:25 PM 2/26/2021, you wrote:
Hi Bruce- Did you get any suggestions?  I have 
the same issue and have not found a solution I like yet.  Dave


S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

[]


On Jan 8, 2020, at 10:40 PM, bwhitmore via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



Hello all,

I was reading through one of the sailing 
magazines, and there was commentary about the 
value of a windlass or "at least an anchor 
chain hook" you can use to take a break when hoisting anchor.


While I don't feel the need for a windlass yet, 
I have had situations when raising the anchor 
where I've needed to wrap chain around one of 
the forward cleats because a wind gust is 
blowing me off.  This usually results in some 
chain finding its way through my hands, and 
much more concerning is the chance for hands to 
be caught between the chain and the cleat with 
crushingly obvious consequences.  If I had the 
ability to easily hook the chain to hold it 
while the bow swings off the wind or for the 
purposes of pulling the hook out of the mud would be helpful.


Is there such a hook that can be permanently 
mounted on the bow/anchor roller where I could 
simply put the chain under moderate tension for 
a minute or two while things get sorted out?


Thanks in advance for your insights,

Bruce Whitmore
C 37/40+ "Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL


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Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
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Stus-List Re: Anchor chain hook on bow?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Fwiw I have a mantus chain hook tied to a spare dock line. I cleat  off the
line.

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 4:26 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Bruce- Did you get any suggestions?  I have the same issue and have not
> found a solution I like yet.  Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2020, at 10:40 PM, bwhitmore via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I was reading through one of the sailing magazines, and there was
> commentary about the value of a windlass or "at least an anchor chain hook"
> you can use to take a break when hoisting anchor.
>
> While I don't feel the need for a windlass yet, I have had situations when
> raising the anchor where I've needed to wrap chain around one of the
> forward cleats because a wind gust is blowing me off.  This usually results
> in some chain finding its way through my hands, and much more concerning is
> the chance for hands to be caught between the chain and the cleat with
> crushingly obvious consequences.  If I had the ability to easily hook the
> chain to hold it while the bow swings off the wind or for the purposes of
> pulling the hook out of the mud would be helpful.
>
> Is there such a hook that can be permanently mounted on the bow/anchor
> roller where I could simply put the chain under moderate tension for a
> minute or two while things get sorted out?
>
> Thanks in advance for your insights,
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> C 37/40+ "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL
>
>
> Sent from Samsung tablet.
>
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Stus-List Re: Anchor chain hook on bow?

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Hi Bruce- Did you get any suggestions?  I have the same issue and have not 
found a solution I like yet.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Jan 8, 2020, at 10:40 PM, bwhitmore via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I was reading through one of the sailing magazines, and there was commentary 
> about the value of a windlass or "at least an anchor chain hook" you can use 
> to take a break when hoisting anchor.  
> 
> While I don't feel the need for a windlass yet, I have had situations when 
> raising the anchor where I've needed to wrap chain around one of the forward 
> cleats because a wind gust is blowing me off.  This usually results in some 
> chain finding its way through my hands, and much more concerning is the 
> chance for hands to be caught between the chain and the cleat with crushingly 
> obvious consequences.  If I had the ability to easily hook the chain to hold 
> it while the bow swings off the wind or for the purposes of pulling the hook 
> out of the mud would be helpful.  
> 
> Is there such a hook that can be permanently mounted on the bow/anchor roller 
> where I could simply put the chain under moderate tension for a minute or two 
> while things get sorted out?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your insights,
> 
> Bruce Whitmore 
> C 37/40+ "Astralis"
> Madeira Beach, FL 
> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Peter McMinn via CnC-List]

Really nice setup, Tom. The handle holder is a nice touch. The early 37 is 
equipped with an access panel in the locker bulkhead which, without a lot more 
more work, doesn’t allow space for that type of mounting. Looks like good 
straight drop to the bottom of the cavity.
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Stus-List Re: Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Nice clean install!

Dave 
Windstar 33-2

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2021, at 10:02 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Here's a link to some pics of my setup.  
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/pHsMrg
> 
> Tom B
> 
> At 06:03 PM 1/20/2021, you wrote:
> 
>> On this relatively recent thread, I see the idea I have for mounting a 
>> horizontal windless on a custom shelf under the locker hatch . Edd, how did 
>> your project work out? Lessons learned? I see earlier comment on this from 
>> Martin DeYoung and others.
>> 
>> On my ‘85 37, I’m thinking of mounting heavy 7-inch alum “C” channel 
>> beneath my bow cleats (replacing backer plates), securing to the bottom legs 
>> a double glassed shelf (3/4” m.grade ply) to span the locker opening p-s. 
>> The cleats are center-locker, which seems an ideal position for the Maxwell 
>> windlass Santa is belatedly delivering. I see added benefit of more 
>> structure in the bow but your thoughts are welcome on possible issues from 
>> this arrangement. It does reduce access to the locker somewhat, but a 10” 
>> shelf out of 28” opening allows some room yet.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> 
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> 
> .¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
> Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com 
> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Here's a link to some pics of my setup.

https://flic.kr/p/pHsMrg

Tom B

At 06:03 PM 1/20/2021, you wrote:

On this relatively recent thread, I see the idea 
I have for mounting a horizontal windless on a 
custom shelf under the locker hatch . Edd, how 
did your project work out? Lessons learned? I 
see earlier comment on this from Martin DeYoung and others.


On my ‘85 37, I’m thinking of mounting heavy 
7-inch alum “C” channel beneath my bow 
cleats (replacing backer plates), securing to 
the bottom legs a double glassed shelf (3/4” 
m.grade ply) to span the locker opening p-s. The 
cleats are center-locker, which seems an ideal 
position for the Maxwell windlass Santa is 
belatedly delivering. I see added benefit of 
more structure in the bow but your thoughts are 
welcome on possible issues from this 
arrangement. It does reduce access to the locker 
somewhat, but a 10” shelf out of 28” opening allows some room yet.


Thoughts?


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.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


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Stus-List Re: Anchor Windlass for a C 37+

[Peter McMinn via CnC-List]

On this relatively recent thread, I see the idea I have for mounting a 
horizontal windless on a custom shelf under the locker hatch . Edd, how did 
your project work out? Lessons learned? I see earlier comment on this from 
Martin DeYoung and others.

On my ‘85 37, I’m thinking of mounting heavy 7-inch alum “C” channel beneath my 
bow cleats (replacing backer plates), securing to the bottom legs a double 
glassed shelf (3/4” m.grade ply) to span the locker opening p-s. The cleats are 
center-locker, which seems an ideal position for the Maxwell windlass Santa is 
belatedly delivering. I see added benefit of more structure in the bow but your 
thoughts are welcome on possible issues from this arrangement. It does reduce 
access to the locker somewhat, but a 10” shelf out of 28” opening allows some 
room yet.

Thoughts?
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Stus-List Re: Anchor roller question

[David Jacobs]

Where are you located. I have a Roca 35 that I don’t need anymore. I used it on 
one cruise.

Dave

> On Dec 2, 2020, at 1:14 PM, NORTHERN LIGHT  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey Pete,
> 
> I’ve used both a 15 and a 20kg Rocna on my 37. Both work well, except the 20 
> kg will also work in extreme conditions. I’ve been at anchor through 40-45kts 
> with the smaller Rocna, but the big one stood fast in 80 knots for about 8 
> hours before the storm surge combined with the 180 degree wind shift finally 
> dislodged the anchor in the aftermath of Dorian. I had 300 feet of Acco chain 
> out with the Rocna 20 in 25 feet of water.
> For most conditions though the 15kg was appropriate.
> 
> Chris Tirtirau
> Northern Light, C 37
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2020, at 10:42, petemcm...@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> After some research, the 45 seems overkill, especially on my manual pulling 
>> apparatus (no windlass for a while). The small sample of 37 owners I've 
>> polled on this list and another all seem to have 33-35# primaries. I've 
>> ordered the M1 35 with a bow protector. Hoping this will work with the 
>> original roller and stem plate on my bow, but I know I'll need to modify the 
>> roller setup sooner or later. Thanks for the tips—always open to more 
>> suggestions.
>> 
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>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
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>>   Thanks - Stu
> 
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Stus-List Re: Anchor roller question

[NORTHERN LIGHT]

Hey Pete,

I’ve used both a 15 and a 20kg Rocna on my 37. Both work well, except the 20 kg 
will also work in extreme conditions. I’ve been at anchor through 40-45kts with 
the smaller Rocna, but the big one stood fast in 80 knots for about 8 hours 
before the storm surge combined with the 180 degree wind shift finally 
dislodged the anchor in the aftermath of Dorian. I had 300 feet of Acco chain 
out with the Rocna 20 in 25 feet of water.
For most conditions though the 15kg was appropriate.

Chris Tirtirau
Northern Light, C 37

> On Dec 2, 2020, at 10:42, petemcm...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> After some research, the 45 seems overkill, especially on my manual pulling 
> apparatus (no windlass for a while). The small sample of 37 owners I've 
> polled on this list and another all seem to have 33-35# primaries. I've 
> ordered the M1 35 with a bow protector. Hoping this will work with the 
> original roller and stem plate on my bow, but I know I'll need to modify the 
> roller setup sooner or later. Thanks for the tips—always open to more 
> suggestions.
> 
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
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Stus-List Re: Anchor roller question

[petemcminn]

After some research, the 45 seems overkill, especially on my manual pulling 
apparatus (no windlass for a while). The small sample of 37 owners I've polled 
on this list and another all seem to have 33-35# primaries. I've ordered the M1 
35 with a bow protector. Hoping this will work with the original roller and 
stem plate on my bow, but I know I'll need to modify the roller setup sooner or 
later. Thanks for the tips—always open to more suggestions.
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Stus-List Re: Anchor roller question

[petemcminn]

Nathan, thank you so much for this detailed response. Your fished product looks 
robust and well fashioned. I'll hold onto your details and pics for reference. 
And thanks for the advice on anchor weight. The 37 is right in the middle of 
Mantus 35/45 on their performance chart. If don’t yet have a windlass so the 35 
may be the better choice for now.
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Stus-List Re: Anchor roller question

[David Risch]

Sorry on my 1981 40.  Stem head big enough to thread for bolt on attachment.  
Can be removed for racing etc.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: David Risch 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 5:17:33 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Anchor roller question

I found a basic roller that could lay down on the stem head fitting on my 1981 
40 a p

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: Nathan Post 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 4:32:49 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Anchor roller question

Hello Peter,
I decided to add a roller to my C 34 which does not have an integral roller 
in the original aluminum bow plate and here are some pictures of what I did and 
some of the installation process:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1WiC3GpL1Yu0MU9dC91ghWDLIviFUGjbb?usp=sharing

This definitely was not the least expensive approach but I am overall happy 
with the result.  I got the general idea from 
http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2018/06/stemhead-replacement.html
but decided to go with welded and anodized aluminum with SS threaded inserts to 
keep it light.  The original stem fit laterally down around the fiberglass deck 
at the bow and I thought that might be important to increase the lateral load 
strength beyond just the bolts which are in a relatively small area.  I also 
wanted to add a tack point for an asymmetrical spin and kept my options open 
for a second roller or a bowsprit mount later.  I had to build up the area 
under it with filled epoxy to make it flat and cut back the toe rails on each 
side about 8 inches to incorporate the chalks and give it more distance to 
resist the roller loads.  I also added an extra 1/2" GFRP backing plate under 
the deck as the original wood one wasn't in great shape and wasn't quite big 
enough.

To design it, I started with wood mock-ups to get the dimensions to fit the 
existing boat (after removing the existing stem head) and then did the design 
in onshape.  The finished design (which you can copy and modify) is available 
here 
https://cad.onshape.com/documents/87319ac0373461e07d9c3465/w/8092d805cb5db461fce8cc09/e/94229b4df81f5f30af53d096
but obviously would need to be modified for a different boat.

I bought a Mantus 35lb M2 anchor and the BR1 roller with anchor mate 
(interestingly this combination doesn't actually work well together as the 
anchor mate isn't long enough to reach the M2 anchor - I will need to modify 
for next season with a custom anchor mate part instead that I will probably 
make out of aluminum and/or starboard.  In hindsight, I think I should of 
gotten the M1 anchor style instead but as we have a lot of weeds in the water 
in places where we anchor I thought that the M2 might come up cleaner and would 
also better accommodate a secondary anchor.  In hindsight I should have just 
gone with the M1 which would have fit on the bow roller a bit more securely.

All told, this was an expensive project - including shipping the custom stem 
head ran ~$2800 to have it custom fabricated and then the Mantus parts were 
another $500 ish on sale if I recall and the chalks were rather pricey too ($80 
each?) plus bolts, threaded inserts, epoxy, etc.  All in all, it came out nice 
and seems to work well for the most part so far.  Added weight way out in front 
which isn't ideal for performance, but does make setting and retrieving the 
anchor a lot easier.

A few notes for you: on my 34, the Mantus 35 was probably overkill and might be 
adequate for your 37.  I was tired of struggling to get the previous plow 
anchor to set, but this setup weighs down the bow quite a bit over the original 
design.  I probably could have gone one size smaller for a primary anchor and 
perhaps bought one of these to keep in the back as a storm anchor.  In any 
case, I will likely never put a second anchor roller on as it will just put too 
much weight out there to store a second anchor on the bow.

I haven't flown an asymmetric spin yet but I have been told that ideally the 
attachment point should be set up for a vertically loaded shackle rather than 
continuing the angle out forward as I did.

Anyway, hopefully this gives you some ideas at least.  Let me know if you have 
questions.  BTW, if anyone needs an original stem fitting for a C 34, I have 
one available (note, the pin for the forestay is seized in place and will take 
some work to get out (I just cut the pin on either side of the forestay mount 
to get it out).

Nathan
S/V Wisper
1981 C 34
Lynn, MA
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costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
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Stus-List Re: Anchor roller question

[David Risch]

I found a basic roller that could lay down on the stem head fitting on my 1981 
40 a p

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: Nathan Post 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 4:32:49 PM
To: Stus-List 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Anchor roller question

Hello Peter,
I decided to add a roller to my C 34 which does not have an integral roller 
in the original aluminum bow plate and here are some pictures of what I did and 
some of the installation process:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1WiC3GpL1Yu0MU9dC91ghWDLIviFUGjbb?usp=sharing

This definitely was not the least expensive approach but I am overall happy 
with the result.  I got the general idea from 
http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2018/06/stemhead-replacement.html
but decided to go with welded and anodized aluminum with SS threaded inserts to 
keep it light.  The original stem fit laterally down around the fiberglass deck 
at the bow and I thought that might be important to increase the lateral load 
strength beyond just the bolts which are in a relatively small area.  I also 
wanted to add a tack point for an asymmetrical spin and kept my options open 
for a second roller or a bowsprit mount later.  I had to build up the area 
under it with filled epoxy to make it flat and cut back the toe rails on each 
side about 8 inches to incorporate the chalks and give it more distance to 
resist the roller loads.  I also added an extra 1/2" GFRP backing plate under 
the deck as the original wood one wasn't in great shape and wasn't quite big 
enough.

To design it, I started with wood mock-ups to get the dimensions to fit the 
existing boat (after removing the existing stem head) and then did the design 
in onshape.  The finished design (which you can copy and modify) is available 
here 
https://cad.onshape.com/documents/87319ac0373461e07d9c3465/w/8092d805cb5db461fce8cc09/e/94229b4df81f5f30af53d096
but obviously would need to be modified for a different boat.

I bought a Mantus 35lb M2 anchor and the BR1 roller with anchor mate 
(interestingly this combination doesn't actually work well together as the 
anchor mate isn't long enough to reach the M2 anchor - I will need to modify 
for next season with a custom anchor mate part instead that I will probably 
make out of aluminum and/or starboard.  In hindsight, I think I should of 
gotten the M1 anchor style instead but as we have a lot of weeds in the water 
in places where we anchor I thought that the M2 might come up cleaner and would 
also better accommodate a secondary anchor.  In hindsight I should have just 
gone with the M1 which would have fit on the bow roller a bit more securely.

All told, this was an expensive project - including shipping the custom stem 
head ran ~$2800 to have it custom fabricated and then the Mantus parts were 
another $500 ish on sale if I recall and the chalks were rather pricey too ($80 
each?) plus bolts, threaded inserts, epoxy, etc.  All in all, it came out nice 
and seems to work well for the most part so far.  Added weight way out in front 
which isn't ideal for performance, but does make setting and retrieving the 
anchor a lot easier.

A few notes for you: on my 34, the Mantus 35 was probably overkill and might be 
adequate for your 37.  I was tired of struggling to get the previous plow 
anchor to set, but this setup weighs down the bow quite a bit over the original 
design.  I probably could have gone one size smaller for a primary anchor and 
perhaps bought one of these to keep in the back as a storm anchor.  In any 
case, I will likely never put a second anchor roller on as it will just put too 
much weight out there to store a second anchor on the bow.

I haven't flown an asymmetric spin yet but I have been told that ideally the 
attachment point should be set up for a vertically loaded shackle rather than 
continuing the angle out forward as I did.

Anyway, hopefully this gives you some ideas at least.  Let me know if you have 
questions.  BTW, if anyone needs an original stem fitting for a C 34, I have 
one available (note, the pin for the forestay is seized in place and will take 
some work to get out (I just cut the pin on either side of the forestay mount 
to get it out).

Nathan
S/V Wisper
1981 C 34
Lynn, MA
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costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: Anchor roller question

[Nathan Post]

Hello Peter,
I decided to add a roller to my C 34 which does not have an integral
roller in the original aluminum bow plate and here are some pictures of
what I did and some of the installation process:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1WiC3GpL1Yu0MU9dC91ghWDLIviFUGjbb?usp=sharing

This definitely was not the least expensive approach but I am overall happy
with the result.  I got the general idea from
http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2018/06/stemhead-replacement.html
but decided to go with welded and anodized aluminum with SS threaded
inserts to keep it light.  The original stem fit laterally down around the
fiberglass deck at the bow and I thought that might be important to
increase the lateral load strength beyond just the bolts which are in a
relatively small area.  I also wanted to add a tack point for an
asymmetrical spin and kept my options open for a second roller or a
bowsprit mount later.  I had to build up the area under it with filled
epoxy to make it flat and cut back the toe rails on each side about 8
inches to incorporate the chalks and give it more distance to resist the
roller loads.  I also added an extra 1/2" GFRP backing plate under the deck
as the original wood one wasn't in great shape and wasn't quite big enough.

To design it, I started with wood mock-ups to get the dimensions to fit the
existing boat (after removing the existing stem head) and then did the
design in onshape.  The finished design (which you can copy and modify) is
available here
https://cad.onshape.com/documents/87319ac0373461e07d9c3465/w/8092d805cb5db461fce8cc09/e/94229b4df81f5f30af53d096
but obviously would need to be modified for a different boat.

I bought a Mantus 35lb M2 anchor and the BR1 roller with anchor mate
(interestingly this combination doesn't actually work well together as the
anchor mate isn't long enough to reach the M2 anchor - I will need to
modify for next season with a custom anchor mate part instead that I will
probably make out of aluminum and/or starboard.  In hindsight, I think I
should of gotten the M1 anchor style instead but as we have a lot of weeds
in the water in places where we anchor I thought that the M2 might come up
cleaner and would also better accommodate a secondary anchor.  In hindsight
I should have just gone with the M1 which would have fit on the bow roller
a bit more securely.

All told, this was an expensive project - including shipping the custom
stem head ran ~$2800 to have it custom fabricated and then the Mantus parts
were another $500 ish on sale if I recall and the chalks were rather
pricey too ($80 each?) plus bolts, threaded inserts, epoxy, etc.  All in
all, it came out nice and seems to work well for the most part so far.
Added weight way out in front which isn't ideal for performance, but does
make setting and retrieving the anchor a lot easier.

A few notes for you: on my 34, the Mantus 35 was probably overkill and
might be adequate for your 37.  I was tired of struggling to get the
previous plow anchor to set, but this setup weighs down the bow quite a bit
over the original design.  I probably could have gone one size smaller for
a primary anchor and perhaps bought one of these to keep in the back as a
storm anchor.  In any case, I will likely never put a second anchor roller
on as it will just put too much weight out there to store a second anchor
on the bow.

I haven't flown an asymmetric spin yet but I have been told that ideally
the attachment point should be set up for a vertically loaded shackle
rather than continuing the angle out forward as I did.

Anyway, hopefully this gives you some ideas at least.  Let me know if you
have questions.  BTW, if anyone needs an original stem fitting for a C
34, I have one available (note, the pin for the forestay is seized in place
and will take some work to get out (I just cut the pin on either side of
the forestay mount to get it out).

Nathan
S/V Wisper
1981 C 34
Lynn, MA
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu