Stus-List Re: C&C 32 Babystay
Our 1982 34 came with baby stay. Attached to deck mounted track which is in turn attached to rod through deck with turnbuckle and screwed though hull into forward section of keel. Some say it is not needed. My experience and position is it is absolutely needed and very beneficial. Going upwind in moderate conditions like 10-15 kts true and 1-2 foot seas it stops the considerable mast pumping and flattens the main. Just lie on the deck looking up the mast in these conditions and observe the mast action and impact to the main with the baby stay tensioned and not. Also watch your speed through water. Like night and day. Of course as conditions become more severe the more beneficial the baby stay becomes. For cruising in mild conditions no big deal but if racing a very big deal. John Read Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT From: Macdara Vallely via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2022 10:23 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Macdara Vallely Subject: Stus-List C&C 32 Babystay So, I believe that my 82 C&C 32 had the option for a babystay. It's listed in the brochure, and there is a fitting for what looks to be a t-ball fitting just above the spreaders. No deck fittings on my boat though. Has anyone gone to the bother of installing the deck fitting? If so, would you mind advising me on how you went about it? Did you go for a fixed point, or track? Chainplate to bulkhead; transfer the loads through deck to stringers below or beef up deck? Also, how did you tension? How was it stowed? I'm interested in installing the babystay to beef up the rig a little. The rod-rigging is of indeterminate age, and while it has been professionally inspected and passed muster, I am a belt for braces guy and I was thinking the babystay might offer some redundancy. I appreciate all advice and speculation offered. Thank you. Macdara Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help.
Stus-List Re: C&C 32 Babystay
Back in 2018 Rob Ball said this: Rob Ball via CnC-List <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=cnc-list@cnc-list.com&q=from:%22Rob+Ball+via+CnC%5C-List%22> Thu, 08 Nov 2018 05:30:01 -0800 <https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=cnc-list@cnc-list.com&q=date:20181108> We supplied the boats with Baby Stays, knowing that the mast could be tuned with a bit of bend so that it was not needed. However, when the boat was brand new, on the first sail, and not tuned yet, things could go south. So, we kept them on the boats. In a violent seaway they do stabilize a pumping mast . . . . Rob BallC&C 34 https://www.mail-archive.com/cnc-list@cnc-list.com/msg56506.html On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 at 10:38, Drew Adair via CnC-List wrote: > I also have a 1984 C&C 32 with the same setup as Rob (no track; single > attachment point). Considering the tree trunk we have for a mast, I am not > sure how much it does for the rig. I do race and have considered > installing an adjustable system, but I have never felt the benefit > justifies the cost. Unless you notice your mast pumping in stronger winds > and lumpy seas, I do not think I would bother installing one. (I can think > of several more enjoyable ways to deplete my boat-budget). With that being > said, my sailing is on the Chesapeake where we have more light wind than > heavy wind days. Your mileage may vary. > > > > Drew Adair > > Aurora > > C&C 32 > > North East, Maryland > > > > *From:* Robert Abbott via CnC-List > *Sent:* Thursday, November 24, 2022 8:22 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Robert Abbott > *Subject:* Stus-List Re: C&C 32 Babystay > > > > My 84 C&C 32 has a babystay at a single point of attachment...no track. > The babystay attaches to a SS plate with a loop on the foredeckthis > plate is then attached through the deck to a SS rod running from the > deck roof down to the hull in the very front of the V berth immediately > to the starboard of the V berth entrance.it does not obstruct > passage in or out. Both the on deck bbstay and the rod below have a > turnbuckle to adjustment although I will admit I have never adjusted the > below deck one. I normally have approx 700 lbs of tension on it. > > Given the size of the mast and type of sailing I do, I am of the opinion > I really don't need it. But since Rob Ball designed the boat for one, > I use it. There was an 84 C&C 32 at my club that took his babystay off > and he never had any issues going up and down the coast of Nova Scotia > > If you are doing sailing in heavy weather and big seas where the mast > might be pumping a lot, the babystay would help to stabilize the rig but > otherwise do you really need it? > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - #277 > Halifax, N.S. > > > Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a > contribution at: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > Thanks for your help. > Ken Heaton > Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help.
Stus-List Re: C&C 32 Babystay
I also have a 1984 C&C 32 with the same setup as Rob (no track; single attachment point). Considering the tree trunk we have for a mast, I am not sure how much it does for the rig. I do race and have considered installing an adjustable system, but I have never felt the benefit justifies the cost. Unless you notice your mast pumping in stronger winds and lumpy seas, I do not think I would bother installing one. (I can think of several more enjoyable ways to deplete my boat-budget). With that being said, my sailing is on the Chesapeake where we have more light wind than heavy wind days. Your mileage may vary. Drew Adair Aurora C&C 32 North East, Maryland From: Robert Abbott via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2022 8:22 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Robert Abbott Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C 32 Babystay My 84 C&C 32 has a babystay at a single point of attachment...no track. The babystay attaches to a SS plate with a loop on the foredeckthis plate is then attached through the deck to a SS rod running from the deck roof down to the hull in the very front of the V berth immediately to the starboard of the V berth entrance.it does not obstruct passage in or out. Both the on deck bbstay and the rod below have a turnbuckle to adjustment although I will admit I have never adjusted the below deck one. I normally have approx 700 lbs of tension on it. Given the size of the mast and type of sailing I do, I am of the opinion I really don't need it. But since Rob Ball designed the boat for one, I use it. There was an 84 C&C 32 at my club that took his babystay off and he never had any issues going up and down the coast of Nova Scotia If you are doing sailing in heavy weather and big seas where the mast might be pumping a lot, the babystay would help to stabilize the rig but otherwise do you really need it? Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - #277 Halifax, N.S. Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help.
Stus-List Re: C&C 32 Babystay
I have a baby stay on my 29mk2. There is no track but I have a 4:1 set of blocks lead back to a clutch. With in line spreaders the baby stay help create mast bend with the backstay on and keeps the mast from pumping in light air and sloppy waves. It’s only a pain tubing the spinnaker pole or a large Genoa in light wind. On Thu, Nov 24, 2022 at 1:16 AM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I can only think of two reasons for using a babystay - One is to help > introduce mast bend in heavy air to flatten the main. Second is if your > mast "pumps" in heavy seas. It helped on my previous boat, an Ericson 30. I > have a babystay on my boat, and I rarely use it. It came on the boat with a > track on the foredeck, and a rope clutch to the port side of the mast. The > adjustment leads through the rope clutch to a spinnaker halyard winch. If > the conditions I mentioned aren't exhibited on your boat, forget the > babystay. > > Alan Bergen > 35 Mk III Thirsty > Rose City YC > Portland, OR > > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 7:23 PM Macdara Vallely via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> So, I believe that my 82 C&C 32 had the option for a babystay. It's >> listed in the brochure, and there is a fitting for what looks to be a >> t-ball fitting just above the spreaders. >> >> No deck fittings on my boat though. >> >> Has anyone gone to the bother of installing the deck fitting? If so, >> would you mind advising me on how you went about it? >> >> Did you go for a fixed point, or track? Chainplate to bulkhead; transfer >> the loads through deck to stringers below or beef up deck? Also, how did >> you tension? How was it stowed? >> >> I'm interested in installing the babystay to beef up the rig a little. >> The rod-rigging is of indeterminate age, and while it has been >> professionally inspected and passed muster, I am a belt for braces guy and >> I was thinking the babystay might offer some redundancy. >> >> I appreciate all advice and speculation offered. >> >> Thank you. >> Macdara >> >> >> Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a >> contribution at: >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.paypal.me/stumurray__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!uSzgnPHZH1ypMFQ9rRxb6PpAxifIHTyh4Az6p7DCTz328oiPX1v6VqzICGPNO0tYmoI3OxN3elrOUUCGrGB44b8$ >> Thanks for your help. >> Alan Bergen > > Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a > contribution at: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > Thanks for your help. > John Heaton Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help.
Stus-List Re: C&C 32 Babystay
My 84 C&C 32 has a babystay at a single point of attachment...no track. The babystay attaches to a SS plate with a loop on the foredeckthis plate is then attached through the deck to a SS rod running from the deck roof down to the hull in the very front of the V berth immediately to the starboard of the V berth entrance.it does not obstruct passage in or out. Both the on deck bbstay and the rod below have a turnbuckle to adjustment although I will admit I have never adjusted the below deck one. I normally have approx 700 lbs of tension on it. Given the size of the mast and type of sailing I do, I am of the opinion I really don't need it. But since Rob Ball designed the boat for one, I use it. There was an 84 C&C 32 at my club that took his babystay off and he never had any issues going up and down the coast of Nova Scotia If you are doing sailing in heavy weather and big seas where the mast might be pumping a lot, the babystay would help to stabilize the rig but otherwise do you really need it? Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - #277 Halifax, N.S. On 2022-11-23 11:22 p.m., Macdara Vallely via CnC-List wrote: So, I believe that my 82 C&C 32 had the option for a babystay. It's listed in the brochure, and there is a fitting for what looks to be a t-ball fitting just above the spreaders. No deck fittings on my boat though. Has anyone gone to the bother of installing the deck fitting? If so, would you mind advising me on how you went about it? Did you go for a fixed point, or track? Chainplate to bulkhead; transfer the loads through deck to stringers below or beef up deck? Also, how did you tension? How was it stowed? I'm interested in installing the babystay to beef up the rig a little. The rod-rigging is of indeterminate age, and while it has been professionally inspected and passed muster, I am a belt for braces guy and I was thinking the babystay might offer some redundancy. I appreciate all advice and speculation offered. Thank you. Macdara Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help. Bob Abbott Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help.
Stus-List Re: C&C 32 Babystay
I can only think of two reasons for using a babystay - One is to help introduce mast bend in heavy air to flatten the main. Second is if your mast "pumps" in heavy seas. It helped on my previous boat, an Ericson 30. I have a babystay on my boat, and I rarely use it. It came on the boat with a track on the foredeck, and a rope clutch to the port side of the mast. The adjustment leads through the rope clutch to a spinnaker halyard winch. If the conditions I mentioned aren't exhibited on your boat, forget the babystay. Alan Bergen 35 Mk III Thirsty Rose City YC Portland, OR On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 7:23 PM Macdara Vallely via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > So, I believe that my 82 C&C 32 had the option for a babystay. It's > listed in the brochure, and there is a fitting for what looks to be a > t-ball fitting just above the spreaders. > > No deck fittings on my boat though. > > Has anyone gone to the bother of installing the deck fitting? If so, > would you mind advising me on how you went about it? > > Did you go for a fixed point, or track? Chainplate to bulkhead; transfer > the loads through deck to stringers below or beef up deck? Also, how did > you tension? How was it stowed? > > I'm interested in installing the babystay to beef up the rig a little. > The rod-rigging is of indeterminate age, and while it has been > professionally inspected and passed muster, I am a belt for braces guy and > I was thinking the babystay might offer some redundancy. > > I appreciate all advice and speculation offered. > > Thank you. > Macdara > > > Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a > contribution at: > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.paypal.me/stumurray__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!uSzgnPHZH1ypMFQ9rRxb6PpAxifIHTyh4Az6p7DCTz328oiPX1v6VqzICGPNO0tYmoI3OxN3elrOUUCGrGB44b8$ > Thanks for your help. > Alan Bergen Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help.
Stus-List Re: C&C 32 Babystay
Does your rig already have fore and aft lowers? If you do a baby stay may not add that much extra support. When I re-rigged Calypso I used Briton Toss’s rigging book to calculate the loads on various shrouds and rigging elements. IIRC the aft lower shrouds can carry more load than most other elements. One of Calypso’s past owners removed the aft lowers (to allow the boom to travel farther forward) making the baby stay much more important for rig stability. This is especially true when sailing in choppy seas to prevent mast pumping. (Some boat racing long downwind races, Transpac for example, rig temporary forward lowers to support the mast in case the pole gets stuffed into a wave.) Calypso’s mast section is massive compared to more modern rigs. I have always assumed Bruckmann’s had a C&C 61 section hanging around the shop, cut it down, added some taper towards the top and called it good. Calypso’s baby stay uses a hydraulic tensioner with a fast-pin to release it for spinnaker gybes. The deck fitting is similar to a chain plate. Originally it terminated to the bulkhead just below. (A C&C 39 I raced several Transpacs on with it’s baby stay anchored to the same bulkhead we could lock someone in the head by pumping up the baby stay and distorting the deck/bulkhead.) Today Calypso’s baby stay is anchored to the hull with a tie rod/turnbuckle combo through bolted to the hull. When we recently rebuilt the bulkhead owing to rot issues we found indications of stress damage from the original baby installation. Martin DeYoung Calypso 1971 C&C 43 Port Ludlow/Seattle > On Nov 23, 2022, at 7:23 PM, Macdara Vallely via CnC-List > wrote: > > > So, I believe that my 82 C&C 32 had the option for a babystay. It's listed > in the brochure, and there is a fitting for what looks to be a t-ball fitting > just above the spreaders. > > No deck fittings on my boat though. > > Has anyone gone to the bother of installing the deck fitting? If so, would > you mind advising me on how you went about it? > > Did you go for a fixed point, or track? Chainplate to bulkhead; transfer the > loads through deck to stringers below or beef up deck? Also, how did you > tension? How was it stowed? > > I'm interested in installing the babystay to beef up the rig a little. The > rod-rigging is of indeterminate age, and while it has been professionally > inspected and passed muster, I am a belt for braces guy and I was thinking > the babystay might offer some redundancy. > > I appreciate all advice and speculation offered. > > Thank you. > Macdara > > > Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a > contribution at: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > Thanks for your help. Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help.
Stus-List Re: C&C 32 Babystay
My 1982 C&C 32 has the baby stay and it’s a track Neil Andersen, W3NEA Rock Hall, MD 21661 484-354-8800 From: Macdara Vallely via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2022 10:22:51 PM To: Stus-List Cc: Macdara Vallely Subject: Stus-List C&C 32 Babystay So, I believe that my 82 C&C 32 had the option for a babystay. It's listed in the brochure, and there is a fitting for what looks to be a t-ball fitting just above the spreaders. No deck fittings on my boat though. Has anyone gone to the bother of installing the deck fitting? If so, would you mind advising me on how you went about it? Did you go for a fixed point, or track? Chainplate to bulkhead; transfer the loads through deck to stringers below or beef up deck? Also, how did you tension? How was it stowed? I'm interested in installing the babystay to beef up the rig a little. The rod-rigging is of indeterminate age, and while it has been professionally inspected and passed muster, I am a belt for braces guy and I was thinking the babystay might offer some redundancy. I appreciate all advice and speculation offered. Thank you. Macdara Don't forget to show your appreciation and help pay the bills. Make a contribution at: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks for your help.
