Re: Stus-List Reboarding - was Re: - Inflable life jacket - inflation
I have been watching this discussion with interest. Although every boat / condition is different, in my case, I need to find a way that my diminutive wife can use to recover me, should I end up in the water. She can't reach the main headboard so that discounts use of the main halyard. My spare jib halyard already has a snap shackle - easy to attach to my harness or lifesling - or to the outboard end of a triangular piece of sail (old jib) cut and fitted with cringles for easy attachment to the toe rail. I see two potential issues that I need to resolve / check out - a) making sure the bitter end of the halyard will reach the primary self tailers and will have a good lead so as to avoid overrides and b) deciding whether the triangle of sail should pass over the top lifeline (I'd be dumped unceremoniously on the deck) or not - I'd be squeezed between the toe rail and the lower lifeline. -- Jonathan Indigo C&C 35III SOUTHPORT CT > On Sep 20, 2015, at 21:02, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote: > > Heard this method discussed using the headsail, but the lifelines would be a > hurdle either way. It would be a chore for me to undo the mainsail exit > plate and release the slides and have all that mess. But nice to consider > other options. I have a 45 degree sloped transom, so I considered using a > SUP as a rescue device; drag the victim onto the board and drag the board > over the transom into the cockpit. > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > From: "Rick Brass via CnC-List" > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: "Rick Brass" > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:50:04 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List Reboarding - was Re: - Inflable life jacket - > inflation > > One of the MOB recovery options that used to be discussed in US Power > Squadron safe boating courses – particularly for a MOB who might be less than > mobile – was to let your mainsail out of the track and put it over the rail > with head, tack, and clew still attached, and then use the halyard to hoist > the sail and bring the MOB on board in the resulting sling. I could see where > it avoids stress on the MOB and allows you to bring him down to the deck > gently. And there is no extra gear needed. > > Rick Brass > Washington, NC > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark > Bodnar via CnC-List > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:53 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Dr. Mark Bodnar > Subject: Stus-List Reboarding - was Re: - Inflable life jacket - inflation > > > I've read a lot about people being unable to climb back aboard a boat (never > experienced the issue on anything bigger than an Albacore). > One recommendation I'm looking to try - a triangular section of fabric (I'm > thinking the head off an old jib) - shackle the bottom corners to the toe > rail and attach the head to a halyard > Get the overboard crew to lay in the hollow of the sail as it bags down and > then winch the halyard. > You automatically get a 2-1 advantage by pulling up only one end in addition > to using gear that is already set on the boat. Plus the person is already > lying down in the sail and will roll right back in under the lifelines rather > than having to winch them up overtop. > > I think my current jib is ready to retire - and maybe this is a perfect use > for the head of the sail. > > Interested to hear thoughts from people who have actually tried different > techniques. I've yet to do MOB drills - it's in the plan, but never seems to > fit the day. > > Mark > > > > > There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. > - George Santayana > On 2015-09-17 5:31 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote: > I did a safety at sea course, which involved spending some quality time in > the pool wearing full gear and my PFD (inflated). I found it difficult to > maneuver with it fully inflated, but could let some out and was able to do > the required stuff (swim, climb into the liferaft) with it on. For me a > crotch strap add-on does make it easier as it keeps things lower, I tried it > both ways. > > As for re-boarding, a ladder isn't much good if it does not get a couple of > rungs under water - not many of us can lift our body weight and wet gear up > with our arms, when already exhausted. We also bought a lifesling and have > tackle ready in case someone has to be hoisted aboard. > > Graham Collins > Secret Plans > C&C 35-III #11 > On 2015-09-17 2:53 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List wrote: > This is a bit of a tangent, but I wanted to get some feedback on a recent > even
Re: Stus-List Reboarding - was Re: - Inflable life jacket - inflation
Heard this method discussed using the headsail, but the lifelines would be a hurdle either way. It would be a chore for me to undo the mainsail exit plate and release the slides and have all that mess. But nice to consider other options. I have a 45 degree sloped transom, so I considered using a SUP as a rescue device; drag the victim onto the board and drag the board over the transom into the cockpit. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: "Rick Brass via CnC-List" To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Rick Brass" Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:50:04 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Reboarding - was Re: - Inflable life jacket - inflation One of the MOB recovery options that used to be discussed in US Power Squadron safe boating courses – particularly for a MOB who might be less than mobile – was to let your mainsail out of the track and put it over the rail with head, tack, and clew still attached, and then use the halyard to hoist the sail and bring the MOB on board in the resulting sling. I could see where it avoids stress on the MOB and allows you to bring him down to the deck gently. And there is no extra gear needed. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:53 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Dr. Mark Bodnar Subject: Stus-List Reboarding - was Re: - Inflable life jacket - inflation I've read a lot about people being unable to climb back aboard a boat (never experienced the issue on anything bigger than an Albacore). One recommendation I'm looking to try - a triangular section of fabric (I'm thinking the head off an old jib) - shackle the bottom corners to the toe rail and attach the head to a halyard Get the overboard crew to lay in the hollow of the sail as it bags down and then winch the halyard. You automatically get a 2-1 advantage by pulling up only one end in addition to using gear that is already set on the boat. Plus the person is already lying down in the sail and will roll right back in under the lifelines rather than having to winch them up overtop. I think my current jib is ready to retire - and maybe this is a perfect use for the head of the sail. Interested to hear thoughts from people who have actually tried different techniques. I've yet to do MOB drills - it's in the plan, but never seems to fit the day. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 2015-09-17 5:31 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote: I did a safety at sea course, which involved spending some quality time in the pool wearing full gear and my PFD (inflated). I found it difficult to maneuver with it fully inflated, but could let some out and was able to do the required stuff (swim, climb into the liferaft) with it on. For me a crotch strap add-on does make it easier as it keeps things lower, I tried it both ways. As for re-boarding, a ladder isn't much good if it does not get a couple of rungs under water - not many of us can lift our body weight and wet gear up with our arms, when already exhausted. We also bought a lifesling and have tackle ready in case someone has to be hoisted aboard. Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 On 2015-09-17 2:53 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List wrote: This is a bit of a tangent, but I wanted to get some feedback on a recent event in our marina that has a lot of us talking. We have some friends that own a cruising boat. The wife has been a little hesitant about sailing in part because of poor swimming ability causing a general fear of water. She decided to confront her fears head on by volunteering to do a live person overboard drill. We got a bunch of people on board their boat and enlisted a smaller boat as a chase boat. She put on an inflatable life jacket with an expiring sensor and jumped in the water in the harbor. It was at the end of a stretch of hot weather so there were fewer fears about hypothermia and the waves were negligible, which is as good as it gets for Lake Michigan. The PFD inflated immediately and brought her to the surface just fine, but she found that the inflated bladder pretty much immobilized her. She could not lift her head properly or move her arms to maneuver to the throwables in the water. One of the people in the chase boat ultimately jumped in to get her over to her boat and we got her back up on deck, but it was a more tense process than any of us expected. Our friend confronting her fears was actually satisfied with the result, she was able to remain calm and ultimately got back on the boat without injury, but it raised some doubts about inflatable PFD’s with the rest of us. Anyone have experience with actually deploying an inflatable
Re: Stus-List Reboarding - was Re: - Inflable life jacket - inflation
One of the MOB recovery options that used to be discussed in US Power Squadron safe boating courses - particularly for a MOB who might be less than mobile - was to let your mainsail out of the track and put it over the rail with head, tack, and clew still attached, and then use the halyard to hoist the sail and bring the MOB on board in the resulting sling. I could see where it avoids stress on the MOB and allows you to bring him down to the deck gently. And there is no extra gear needed. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 9:53 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Dr. Mark Bodnar Subject: Stus-List Reboarding - was Re: - Inflable life jacket - inflation I've read a lot about people being unable to climb back aboard a boat (never experienced the issue on anything bigger than an Albacore). One recommendation I'm looking to try - a triangular section of fabric (I'm thinking the head off an old jib) - shackle the bottom corners to the toe rail and attach the head to a halyard Get the overboard crew to lay in the hollow of the sail as it bags down and then winch the halyard. You automatically get a 2-1 advantage by pulling up only one end in addition to using gear that is already set on the boat. Plus the person is already lying down in the sail and will roll right back in under the lifelines rather than having to winch them up overtop. I think my current jib is ready to retire - and maybe this is a perfect use for the head of the sail. Interested to hear thoughts from people who have actually tried different techniques. I've yet to do MOB drills - it's in the plan, but never seems to fit the day. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 2015-09-17 5:31 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote: I did a safety at sea course, which involved spending some quality time in the pool wearing full gear and my PFD (inflated). I found it difficult to maneuver with it fully inflated, but could let some out and was able to do the required stuff (swim, climb into the liferaft) with it on. For me a crotch strap add-on does make it easier as it keeps things lower, I tried it both ways. As for re-boarding, a ladder isn't much good if it does not get a couple of rungs under water - not many of us can lift our body weight and wet gear up with our arms, when already exhausted. We also bought a lifesling and have tackle ready in case someone has to be hoisted aboard. Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 On 2015-09-17 2:53 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List wrote: This is a bit of a tangent, but I wanted to get some feedback on a recent event in our marina that has a lot of us talking. We have some friends that own a cruising boat. The wife has been a little hesitant about sailing in part because of poor swimming ability causing a general fear of water. She decided to confront her fears head on by volunteering to do a live person overboard drill. We got a bunch of people on board their boat and enlisted a smaller boat as a chase boat. She put on an inflatable life jacket with an expiring sensor and jumped in the water in the harbor. It was at the end of a stretch of hot weather so there were fewer fears about hypothermia and the waves were negligible, which is as good as it gets for Lake Michigan. The PFD inflated immediately and brought her to the surface just fine, but she found that the inflated bladder pretty much immobilized her. She could not lift her head properly or move her arms to maneuver to the throwables in the water. One of the people in the chase boat ultimately jumped in to get her over to her boat and we got her back up on deck, but it was a more tense process than any of us expected. Our friend confronting her fears was actually satisfied with the result, she was able to remain calm and ultimately got back on the boat without injury, but it raised some doubts about inflatable PFD's with the rest of us. Anyone have experience with actually deploying an inflatable PFD? Were you able to maneuver? Did you need to partially deflate the bladder? As a side note, we have gone looking for a good quality non-inflatable PFD with a harness and crotch strap, which is becoming a requirement for some races now and pretty much came up empty at this point. Thanks, Jim Reinardy C&C 30-2 "Firewater" Milwaukee, WI Sent from Mail <http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 5:08 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Kevin Driscoll Subject: Re: Stus-List - Inflable life jacket with harness recommendation My Kong tether has snap shackle for self eject. On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:53 AM
Re: Stus-List Reboarding - was Re: - Inflable life jacket - inflation
Hi, I was looking into the reboarding solution as described earlier: Lifesling 2, attached to the snapshackled main sheet blocks on the boom, which can swing out over to the victim. We tested this on our 30' MKI and found that this construction doesn't lift the POB high enough over the life lines. Especially if the POB doesn't wear a harness where you could shackle in but you have to use the Lifesling itself. For this reason I put an extra carabine hook onto the lifesling loop and hope it never hits someone's head in the water. Another small problem with the boom solution is that you need to rig another line quickly (like a reef line) to keep the boom under control in and inboards again. Unfortunately people seem to have the tendency to go overboard when you have your hands full anyway. At this point it seems to be easier and faster to use an unused halyard and run it over the main winch - make sure that this halyard is long enough in the first place though. I don't have the Lifesling tackle set since it seems no big improvement over the halyard/winch solution except a swiveled block. The halyard solution has the additional advantage that the swinging of the POB is much less violent in choppy seas when the upper block/sheave is as high as possible (swinging circle segment is much bigger). That speaks against the boom solution as well. First I had deemed that more elegant and safer since you don't have to leave the cockpit, but the opeartion is indeed much easier with the halyard. I agree that a standard swim ladder is too hard to climb for exhausted POBs, especially with PFDs inflated. We tested that with fit young folks in a summerly Long Island Sound at and were surprised about the quick exhaustion and hypothermia of or "victims". These are my two cents. Cheers, and stay safe Janko C&C 30 MKI 'Messing About' -- Point of View New York City: A Game of The City You THINK You Know A photo book by Janko Puls. +++ Photos, reviews and more at www.pointofviewnyc.com or www.facebook.com/pointofviewnyc +++ ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Reboarding - was Re: - Inflable life jacket - inflation
And another one: http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/daroot/Offshore/SAS%20Studies/MO B_Study_1986.pdf Some interesting data Sorry for sending it in instalments Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: September-17-15 21:53 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Dr. Mark Bodnar Subject: Stus-List Reboarding - was Re: - Inflable life jacket - inflation I've read a lot about people being unable to climb back aboard a boat (never experienced the issue on anything bigger than an Albacore). One recommendation I'm looking to try - a triangular section of fabric (I'm thinking the head off an old jib) - shackle the bottom corners to the toe rail and attach the head to a halyard Get the overboard crew to lay in the hollow of the sail as it bags down and then winch the halyard. You automatically get a 2-1 advantage by pulling up only one end in addition to using gear that is already set on the boat. Plus the person is already lying down in the sail and will roll right back in under the lifelines rather than having to winch them up overtop. I think my current jib is ready to retire - and maybe this is a perfect use for the head of the sail. Interested to hear thoughts from people who have actually tried different techniques. I've yet to do MOB drills - it's in the plan, but never seems to fit the day. Mark ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Reboarding - was Re: - Inflable life jacket - inflation
There is a lot of info on that. Some interesting reading can be found on US Sailing web site. In particular: http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/daroot/Offshore/SAS%20Studies/20 05_Crew_Overboard_Symposium.pdf More resources at : http://www.ussailing.org/resources-category/safety-2/ Marek From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List Sent: September-17-15 21:53 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Dr. Mark Bodnar Subject: Stus-List Reboarding - was Re: - Inflable life jacket - inflation I've read a lot about people being unable to climb back aboard a boat (never experienced the issue on anything bigger than an Albacore). One recommendation I'm looking to try - a triangular section of fabric (I'm thinking the head off an old jib) - shackle the bottom corners to the toe rail and attach the head to a halyard Get the overboard crew to lay in the hollow of the sail as it bags down and then winch the halyard. You automatically get a 2-1 advantage by pulling up only one end in addition to using gear that is already set on the boat. Plus the person is already lying down in the sail and will roll right back in under the lifelines rather than having to winch them up overtop. I think my current jib is ready to retire - and maybe this is a perfect use for the head of the sail. Interested to hear thoughts from people who have actually tried different techniques. I've yet to do MOB drills - it's in the plan, but never seems to fit the day. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 2015-09-17 5:31 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote: I did a safety at sea course, which involved spending some quality time in the pool wearing full gear and my PFD (inflated). I found it difficult to maneuver with it fully inflated, but could let some out and was able to do the required stuff (swim, climb into the liferaft) with it on. For me a crotch strap add-on does make it easier as it keeps things lower, I tried it both ways. As for re-boarding, a ladder isn't much good if it does not get a couple of rungs under water - not many of us can lift our body weight and wet gear up with our arms, when already exhausted. We also bought a lifesling and have tackle ready in case someone has to be hoisted aboard. Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 On 2015-09-17 2:53 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List wrote: This is a bit of a tangent, but I wanted to get some feedback on a recent event in our marina that has a lot of us talking. We have some friends that own a cruising boat. The wife has been a little hesitant about sailing in part because of poor swimming ability causing a general fear of water. She decided to confront her fears head on by volunteering to do a live person overboard drill. We got a bunch of people on board their boat and enlisted a smaller boat as a chase boat. She put on an inflatable life jacket with an expiring sensor and jumped in the water in the harbor. It was at the end of a stretch of hot weather so there were fewer fears about hypothermia and the waves were negligible, which is as good as it gets for Lake Michigan. The PFD inflated immediately and brought her to the surface just fine, but she found that the inflated bladder pretty much immobilized her. She could not lift her head properly or move her arms to maneuver to the throwables in the water. One of the people in the chase boat ultimately jumped in to get her over to her boat and we got her back up on deck, but it was a more tense process than any of us expected. Our friend confronting her fears was actually satisfied with the result, she was able to remain calm and ultimately got back on the boat without injury, but it raised some doubts about inflatable PFD's with the rest of us. Anyone have experience with actually deploying an inflatable PFD? Were you able to maneuver? Did you need to partially deflate the bladder? As a side note, we have gone looking for a good quality non-inflatable PFD with a harness and crotch strap, which is becoming a requirement for some races now and pretty much came up empty at this point. Thanks, Jim Reinardy C&C 30-2 "Firewater" Milwaukee, WI Sent from Mail <http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 5:08 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Kevin Driscoll Subject: Re: Stus-List - Inflable life jacket with harness recommendation My Kong tether has snap shackle for self eject. On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:53 AM Danny Haughey via CnC-List wrote: don't forget to sign up for the PYacht email list before you place your order and they'll give a 5% off code on a purchase over $100 five bucks is five bucks! -- Original Message -- From: Indigo via CnC-
Re: Stus-List Reboarding - was Re: - Inflable life jacket - inflation
Mark, I like the idea, it sounds like a nice refinement of my friend's method. I do think it might be difficult to actually get in the sail while in the water though, would it be better to lay across it? Jim Sent from my iPad > On Sep 17, 2015, at 8:53 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar via CnC-List > wrote: > > > I've read a lot about people being unable to climb back aboard a boat (never > experienced the issue on anything bigger than an Albacore). > One recommendation I'm looking to try - a triangular section of fabric (I'm > thinking the head off an old jib) - shackle the bottom corners to the toe > rail and attach the head to a halyard > Get the overboard crew to lay in the hollow of the sail as it bags down and > then winch the halyard. > You automatically get a 2-1 advantage by pulling up only one end in addition > to using gear that is already set on the boat. Plus the person is already > lying down in the sail and will roll right back in under the lifelines rather > than having to winch them up overtop. > > I think my current jib is ready to retire - and maybe this is a perfect use > for the head of the sail. > > Interested to hear thoughts from people who have actually tried different > techniques. I've yet to do MOB drills - it's in the plan, but never seems to > fit the day. > > Mark > > There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. > - George Santayana >> On 2015-09-17 5:31 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote: >> I did a safety at sea course, which involved spending some quality time in >> the pool wearing full gear and my PFD (inflated). I found it difficult to >> maneuver with it fully inflated, but could let some out and was able to do >> the required stuff (swim, climb into the liferaft) with it on. For me a >> crotch strap add-on does make it easier as it keeps things lower, I tried it >> both ways. >> >> As for re-boarding, a ladder isn't much good if it does not get a couple of >> rungs under water - not many of us can lift our body weight and wet gear up >> with our arms, when already exhausted. We also bought a lifesling and have >> tackle ready in case someone has to be hoisted aboard. >> Graham Collins >> Secret Plans >> C&C 35-III #11 >>> On 2015-09-17 2:53 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List wrote: >>> This is a bit of a tangent, but I wanted to get some feedback on a recent >>> event in our marina that has a lot of us talking. >>> >>> We have some friends that own a cruising boat. The wife has been a little >>> hesitant about sailing in part because of poor swimming ability causing a >>> general fear of water. She decided to confront her fears head on by >>> volunteering to do a live person overboard drill. We got a bunch of people >>> on board their boat and enlisted a smaller boat as a chase >>> boat. She put on an inflatable life jacket with an expiring sensor and >>> jumped in the water in the harbor. It was at the end of a stretch of hot >>> weather so there were fewer fears about hypothermia and the waves were >>> negligible, which is as good as it gets for Lake Michigan. >>> >>> The PFD inflated immediately and brought her to the surface just fine, but >>> she found that the inflated bladder pretty much immobilized her. She could >>> not lift her head properly or move her arms to maneuver to the throwables >>> in the water. One of the people in the chase boat ultimately jumped in to >>> get her over to her boat and we got her back up on deck, but it was a more >>> tense process than any of us expected. Our friend confronting her fears >>> was actually satisfied with the result, she was able to remain calm and >>> ultimately got back on the boat without injury, but it raised some doubts >>> about inflatable PFD’s with the rest of us. >>> >>> Anyone have experience with actually deploying an inflatable PFD? Were you >>> able to maneuver? Did you need to partially deflate the bladder? >>> >>> As a side note, we have gone looking for a good quality non-inflatable PFD >>> with a harness and crotch strap, which is becoming a requirement for some >>> races now and pretty much came up empty at this point. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jim Reinardy >>> C&C 30-2 “Firewater” >>> Milwaukee, WI >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 5:08 PM >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Cc: Kevin Driscoll >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List - Inflable life jacket with harness recommendation >>> >>> >>> My Kong tether has snap shackle for self eject. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:53 AM Danny Haughey via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> don't forget to sign up for the PYacht email list before you place your >>> order and they'll give a 5% off code on a purchase over $100 >>> >>> five bucks is five bucks! >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: Indigo via CnC-List >>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.
Stus-List Reboarding - was Re: - Inflable life jacket - inflation
I've read a lot about people being unable to climb back aboard a boat (never experienced the issue on anything bigger than an Albacore). One recommendation I'm looking to try - a triangular section of fabric (I'm thinking the head off an old jib) - shackle the bottom corners to the toe rail and attach the head to a halyard Get the overboard crew to lay in the hollow of the sail as it bags down and then winch the halyard. You automatically get a 2-1 advantage by pulling up only one end in addition to using gear that is already set on the boat. Plus the person is already lying down in the sail and will roll right back in under the lifelines rather than having to winch them up overtop. I think my current jib is ready to retire - and maybe this is a perfect use for the head of the sail. Interested to hear thoughts from people who have actually tried different techniques. I've yet to do MOB drills - it's in the plan, but never seems to fit the day. Mark There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. - George Santayana On 2015-09-17 5:31 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote: I did a safety at sea course, which involved spending some quality time in the pool wearing full gear and my PFD (inflated). I found it difficult to maneuver with it fully inflated, but could let some out and was able to do the required stuff (swim, climb into the liferaft) with it on. For me a crotch strap add-on does make it easier as it keeps things lower, I tried it both ways. As for re-boarding, a ladder isn't much good if it does not get a couple of rungs under water - not many of us can lift our body weight and wet gear up with our arms, when already exhausted. We also bought a lifesling and have tackle ready in case someone has to be hoisted aboard. Graham Collins Secret Plans C&C 35-III #11 On 2015-09-17 2:53 PM, Jim Reinardy via CnC-List wrote: This is a bit of a tangent, but I wanted to get some feedback on a recent event in our marina that has a lot of us talking. We have some friends that own a cruising boat. The wife has been a little hesitant about sailing in part because of poor swimming ability causing a general fear of water. She decided to confront her fears head on by volunteering to do a live person overboard drill. We got a bunch of people on board their boat and enlisted a smaller boat as a chase boat. She put on an inflatable life jacket with an expiring sensor and jumped in the water in the harbor. It was at the end of a stretch of hot weather so there were fewer fears about hypothermia and the waves were negligible, which is as good as it gets for Lake Michigan. The PFD inflated immediately and brought her to the surface just fine, but she found that the inflated bladder pretty much immobilized her. She could not lift her head properly or move her arms to maneuver to the throwables in the water. One of the people in the chase boat ultimately jumped in to get her over to her boat and we got her back up on deck, but it was a more tense process than any of us expected. Our friend confronting her fears was actually satisfied with the result, she was able to remain calm and ultimately got back on the boat without injury, but it raised some doubts about inflatable PFD’s with the rest of us. Anyone have experience with actually deploying an inflatable PFD? Were you able to maneuver? Did you need to partially deflate the bladder? As a side note, we have gone looking for a good quality non-inflatable PFD with a harness and crotch strap, which is becoming a requirement for some races now and pretty much came up empty at this point. Thanks, Jim Reinardy C&C 30-2 “Firewater” Milwaukee, WI Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 5:08 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Kevin Driscoll Subject: Re: Stus-List - Inflable life jacket with harness recommendation My Kong tether has snap shackle for self eject.
