Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

We’ll need to discuss over a beer the finer points of what “comes with” a 
35-year old custom boat.  And I didn’t just remove water ballast, I replaced a 
lot of it with West System (more than a teak table’s worth, I might add), 
followed by 8-10 coats of Interprotect.  But I digress.

From: coltrek via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: coltrek 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

Haha, nice try counselor. I think the rule  reads, whatever came with a boat,  
stock. You did, however, remove a lot of water ballast that came with the 
boat... okay, that didn't come with the  boat. 



Regards, 

Bill Coleman 
C 39


 Original message 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: 10/11/17 21:33 (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 


My table hasn’t been on board since I bought the boat.  I guess I’m 
grandfathered.  You, on the other hand...

From: coltrek via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: coltrek 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

Mine too -
I guess we can't protest each other over removing weight for our boats, can we!.

Bill Coleman
C 39


 Original message 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: 10/11/17 14:02 (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 


I’ll add one more perspective.  I have a beautiful teak table sitting in my 
basement.  The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to miss it.

Again, it’s all about how you use the boat.

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

Hi Lisle and also others

I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use 
the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.  Very nice 
layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a 
spinnaker more arduous.

Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most 
Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the table down 
and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very similar to a 
fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to get by but also 
more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not think it matters all 
that much which you have

The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a 
quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most 
weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for 
several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest 
of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.  Once they got older 
they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was 
less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom 
options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area.  
I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying 
overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth.  The 
downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be 
more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan.

Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for the 
two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else).  
A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at 
night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface.

These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with 
small children for the two layouts you had mentioned

Mike

Persistence

1987 Frers 33

Halifax, NS



On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much 
narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this 
point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted 
on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing 
and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open 
cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.

   

   

   

  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8

   

   

  Thanks,

   

  Lisle

Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[coltrek via CnC-List]

Haha, nice try counselor. I think the rule  reads, whatever came with a boat,  
stock. You did, however, remove a lot of water ballast that came with the 
boat... okay, that didn't come with the  boat. 


Regards,
Bill Coleman  C 39

 Original message 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: 10/11/17  21:33  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 




My table hasn’t been on board since I bought the boat.  I guess I’m 
grandfathered.  You, on the other hand...


 

From: coltrek via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: coltrek 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 
vs Tartan 31
 

Mine too -
I guess we can't protest each other over removing weight for our boats, can 
we!.

 
Bill Coleman
C 39

 Original message 
From: 
"Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: 
10/11/17 14:02 (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Matthew L. 
Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about 
cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 




I’ll add one more perspective.  I have a beautiful teak table sitting 
in my basement.  The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to 
miss it.
 
Again, it’s all about how you use the boat.


 

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 
vs Tartan 31
 


Hi 
Lisle and also others
I 
think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use 
the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.  
Very nice layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes 
packing a spinnaker more arduous.
Our 
current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most 
Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the table 
down and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very 
similar to a fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to 
get by but also more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not 
think it matters all that much which you have
The 
BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a 
quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 
most weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did 
this for several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which 
left the rest of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.  
Once they got older they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the 
settees which was less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout you 
have a LOT MORE bedroom options for your children and can keep the main cabin 
free for a common area.  I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more 
flexibility for staying overnight with small children than a boat with an open 
quarterberth.  The downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the 
C_C 30-2 will likely be more cramped than the vee berth on the 
Tartan.
Our 
first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for 
the two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one 
else).  A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be 
folded down at night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful 
surface.
These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about 
spending time aboard with small children for the two layouts you had 
mentioned
Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 
33
Halifax, 
NS


On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, 
Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Thanks for all the helpful 
  replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much narrowed my boat choices 
down 
  to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this point. The Tartan's interior 
  appears more open with the folding table mounted on the bulkhead vs. the 
fixed 
  table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing and hanging out on the dock 
  with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open cabin might work better 
  with the kids. comparison pics link below.
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
   
   
  Thanks,
   
  Lisle

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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

My table hasn’t been on board since I bought the boat.  I guess I’m 
grandfathered.  You, on the other hand...

From: coltrek via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: coltrek 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

Mine too -
I guess we can't protest each other over removing weight for our boats, can we!.

Bill Coleman
C 39


 Original message 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: 10/11/17 14:02 (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 


I’ll add one more perspective.  I have a beautiful teak table sitting in my 
basement.  The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to miss it.

Again, it’s all about how you use the boat.

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

Hi Lisle and also others

I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use 
the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.  Very nice 
layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a 
spinnaker more arduous.

Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most 
Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the table down 
and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very similar to a 
fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to get by but also 
more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not think it matters all 
that much which you have

The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a 
quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most 
weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for 
several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest 
of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.  Once they got older 
they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was 
less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom 
options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area.  
I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying 
overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth.  The 
downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be 
more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan.

Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for the 
two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else).  
A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at 
night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface.

These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with 
small children for the two layouts you had mentioned

Mike

Persistence

1987 Frers 33

Halifax, NS



On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much 
narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this 
point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted 
on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing 
and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open 
cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.

   

   

   

  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8

   

   

  Thanks,

   

  Lisle



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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[coltrek via CnC-List]

Mine too -I guess we can't protest each other over removing weight for our 
boats, can we!.
Bill ColemanC 39

 Original message 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Date: 10/11/17  14:02  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford" <wolf...@erie.net> 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31 




I’ll add one more perspective.  I have a beautiful teak table sitting 
in my basement.  The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to 
miss it.
 
Again, it’s all about how you use the boat.


 

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 
vs Tartan 31
 


Hi 
Lisle and also others
I 
think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use 
the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.  
Very nice layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes 
packing a spinnaker more arduous.
Our 
current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most 
Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the table 
down and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very 
similar to a fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to 
get by but also more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not 
think it matters all that much which you have
The 
BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a 
quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 
most weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did 
this for several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which 
left the rest of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.  
Once they got older they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the 
settees which was less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout you 
have a LOT MORE bedroom options for your children and can keep the main cabin 
free for a common area.  I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more 
flexibility for staying overnight with small children than a boat with an open 
quarterberth.  The downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the 
C_C 30-2 will likely be more cramped than the vee berth on the 
Tartan.
Our 
first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for 
the two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one 
else).  A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be 
folded down at night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful 
surface.
These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about 
spending time aboard with small children for the two layouts you had 
mentioned
Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 
33
Halifax, 
NS


On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, 
Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Thanks for all the helpful 
  replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much narrowed my boat choices 
down 
  to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this point. The Tartan's interior 
  appears more open with the folding table mounted on the bulkhead vs. the 
fixed 
  table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing and hanging out on the dock 
  with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open cabin might work better 
  with the kids. comparison pics link below.
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
   
   
  Thanks,
   
  Lisle


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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

One other item no one has mentioned. The aft head. Priceless. Good use of
space and perfect for hanging wet clothes shed at the bottom of the
companionway. The toilet faces fore and aft so is good on either tack.
Additionally, having the head forward (as is shown in the Tartan),
essentially in the vee berth is not pleasant IMO. 99% of all heads smell to
a certain degree, no matter how new the hoses, how regular you change the
joker valve etc. Having the head forward also means the holding tank is
likely under the vee berth. With the aft head on the 30-2 it is underneath
the false floor in the starboard locker, outside of the cabin for all
intents and purposes. Not sure I would consider a boat with only a forward
head. My 2cents.

And everything that Jim said about his 30-2. +1 to all of that.

Kevin
30-2
Portland, OR

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:03 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I’ll add one more perspective.  I have a beautiful teak table sitting in
> my basement.  The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to
> miss it.
>
> Again, it’s all about how you use the boat.
>
> *From:* Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs
> Tartan 31
>
>
> Hi Lisle and also others
>
> I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend
> to use the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.
> Very nice layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table
> makes packing a spinnaker more arduous.
>
> Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26
> (most Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the
> table down and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very
> similar to a fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to
> get by but also more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not
> think it matters all that much which you have
>
> The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a
> quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26
> most weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did
> this for several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which
> left the rest of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.
> Once they got older they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on
> the settees which was less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout
> you have a LOT MORE bedroom options for your children and can keep the main
> cabin free for a common area.  I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords
> more flexibility for staying overnight with small children than a boat with
> an open quarterberth.  The downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth
> on the C_C 30-2 will likely be more cramped than the vee berth on the
> Tartan.
>
> Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for
> the two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one
> else).  A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be
> folded down at night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface.
>
> These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard
> with small children for the two layouts you had mentioned
>
> Mike
>
> Persistence
>
> 1987 Frers 33
>
> Halifax, NS
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty
> much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at
> this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table
> mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be
> day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm
> thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison
> pics link below.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Lisle
>
> --
> ___
>
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up
> again.  October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a
> small contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send
> contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
> ___
&

Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[Jim Reinardy via CnC-List]

 
A couple of comments here.
 
First, I can confirm that the chainplates on the 30-2 are mounted to the 
bulkhead behind the settee cushion rather than to the hull itself.  However, 
the load is transferred by a beefy aluminum casting, the bulkhead is quite 
thick and the casting is secured by 5 or 6 large bolts.  The advantage of this 
design is that you can actually remove the chainplates for rebedding with 
relative ease.  I did it last year, not a bad job at all.  Mine came with 
access panels in that area that don't look original, not sure if there is a way 
to get the nuts off otherwise.
 
Regarding the table, I have owned boats with both types of layout.  My Catalina 
27 had the bulkhead folding table, and I currently have a 30-2.   My daughter, 
now 11, has always considered the V-berth "her room" and spends most of her 
time there when we are at the dock, so the table does not matter.   The thing 
that we have found is that the table on the 30-2 still has some value with both 
leaves folded down.  At the dock, it is wide enough for a glass or can to be 
placed on it.  The problem with the bulkhead mount table is that it is all or 
nothing, and with it folded up there is no place for the people in the middle 
of the settees to place anything.  I also think that the curved settee in a 
dinette layout is much more comfortable for conversation.  With the settee's 
full, we always felt like we were sitting in a hallway on the Catalina.  
 
Good luck with your decision.  I feel like you can't really go wrong, but I 
also love my 30-2 and never regretted buying her.  I also think Mike is spot on 
about the aft cabin, that really makes a difference.  
 
Regards,
 
Jim Reinardy
C 30-2 "Firewater"
Milwaukee, WI
 
- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about 
cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31
From: "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Date: 10/11/17 10:52 am
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com>

  Hi Lisle and also others
 I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to 
use the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.  Very nice 
layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a 
spinnaker more arduous.
 Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most 
Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the table down 
and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very similar to a 
fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to get by but also 
more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not think it matters all 
that much which you have
 The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a 
quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most 
weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for 
several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest 
of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.  Once they got older 
they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was 
less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom 
options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area.  
I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying 
overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth.  The 
downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be 
more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan.
 Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for the 
two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else).  
A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at 
night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface.
 These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with 
small children for the two layouts you had mentioned
 Mike
 Persistence
 1987 Frers 33
 Halifax, NS
 
 
 On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
  Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty 
much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at 
this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table 
mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be 
day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking 
the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.
 


 

  
 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Lisle
 



 
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I’ll add one more perspective.  I have a beautiful teak table sitting in my 
basement.  The cabin is much roomier without it, and no one seems to miss it.

Again, it’s all about how you use the boat.

From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

Hi Lisle and also others

I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use 
the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.  Very nice 
layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a 
spinnaker more arduous.

Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most 
Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the table down 
and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very similar to a 
fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to get by but also 
more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not think it matters all 
that much which you have

The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a 
quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most 
weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for 
several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest 
of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.  Once they got older 
they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was 
less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom 
options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area.  
I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying 
overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth.  The 
downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be 
more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan.

Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for the 
two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else).  
A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at 
night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface.

These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with 
small children for the two layouts you had mentioned

Mike

Persistence

1987 Frers 33

Halifax, NS



On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much 
narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this 
point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted 
on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing 
and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open 
cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.

   

   

   

  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8

   

   

  Thanks,

   

  Lisle




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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table and C 30-2 vs Tartan 31

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Lisle and also others
I think fixed table or fold up table has a lot to do with how you intend to use 
the boat.  We have raced on a C 115 which had the fixed table.  Very nice 
layout when spending time below but when racing the fixed table makes packing a 
spinnaker more arduous.
Our current boat has a fold up to bulkhead table as did our Niagara 26 (most 
Niagaras had a dinette).  When we are cruising inshore we put the table down 
and leave the stbd side leaf folded down.  This is in fact very similar to a 
fixed table with the port leaf up and stbd leaf down.  Room to get by but also 
more room to put snacks and other items.  Really I do not think it matters all 
that much which you have
The BIG DIFFERENCE I see between the Tartan and C is the aft cabin vs a 
quarterberth.  When our girls were small we lived aboard our Niagara 26 most 
weekends in the summer.  They were 6 and 8 when we started and we did this for 
several years.  Initially they would sleep in the vee berth which left the rest 
of the boat free for us and guests once they were asleep.  Once they got older 
they wanted their own bunks and insisted on sleeping on the settees which was 
less convenient all round.  With a two cabin layout you have a LOT MORE bedroom 
options for your children and can keep the main cabin free for a common area.  
I think in many ways the 30-2 C affords more flexibility for staying 
overnight with small children than a boat with an open quarterberth.  The 
downside is that the vee berth and quarterberth on the C_C 30-2 will likely be 
more cramped than the vee berth on the Tartan.
Our first boat (C designed Paceship P23) had a dinette.  It was fun for the 
two girls who were 5 and 7 at the time because it fit them (and no one else).  
A big pain with that setup when having 4 aboard was it had to be folded down at 
night to be a bed and up in the day to give a useful surface.
These are just some thoughts I wanted to share about spending time aboard with 
small children for the two layouts you had mentioned
Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 33
Halifax, NS

On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD 
> wrote:
Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much 
narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this 
point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted 
on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing 
and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open 
cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.



https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8


Thanks,

Lisle
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table

[Nate Flesness via CnC-List]

We happen to have owned a C 1980 30-1 dinette for the last dozen years
and still own and love her, and also now own a 1994 Tartan 31. The older
30-1 isn't the same as the 30-2, but the dinette vs foldup, etc., and some
other issues seem the same.

The Tartan does have bulkhead mounted chainplates, visible both sides. They
seem strong and adequate to me at least, and we've done heavy weather
sailing across 100 miles of the middle of Lake Superior. The C is tough,
and the dinette is lovely as there's always a place to sit and set a book,
laptop, or cup of coffee down. The Tartan table we often leave halfdown
(one side folded) at anchor or slip, to get somewhat the same function. The
Tartan has dramatically better engine and drive train access (I've had to
pull the older C transmission and engine from under the cockpit myself
... to replace failing rubber drivetrain seals). The Tartan doesn't point
quite as high as the amazing C, and is more tender than the wonderfully
stiff 30-1. The Tartan is also nearly a full knot faster under sail or
power, which compensates for the wider tacking angle. The Tartan has a much
better galley, head, more useable cockpit, and amazingly well-insulated
refrigerator.  Our Tartan came with lovely all-Harken big stainless winches
(:-)). Our Tartan has a Westerbeke 18hp which does not leak, and the older
C has the Yanmar 2qm15 which has always leaked oil in spite of my many
efforts.

Our Tartan had extra teak cabinets and teak paneling added as factory
options when built, so it is like a wonderfully warm old English den down
below, which instantly sold my other half on the bigger pricetag. My
favorite thing is that the (opening) ports are real, not glued in windows
(30-1) that leak even after redoing

Nate Flesness
Sarah Jean
C 1980 30-1
Lake St. Croix (River), Hudson WI

Valhalla
1994 Tartan 31
SIskiwit Bay Marina
Lake Superior
(sadly pulling her Friday.)

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty
> much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at
> this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table
> mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be
> day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm
> thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison
> pics link below.
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Lisle
>
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Lisle,

For what it’s worth... My kids are the same age as yours (girl, boy), and we 
got our boat this summer, so they are completely new to sailing. I can tell you 
from heavy parent observation this summer, they don’t run around under sail. If 
they are hanging out below they’re stationary watching iPad or playing some 
kind of game “using” the table. Mostly they want to go on deck even if under 
sail. 

When we’re at the dock, they want to go on the hard to explore, so we bring the 
bikes, or they’re in the cockpit, or they’re napping down below.

One note of caution... mine  seem to bicker over who “owns” the vberth. They 
call it the fort.

Next year they learn to sail and build memories.

/J

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 6:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much 
> narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this 
> point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted 
> on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing 
> and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more 
> open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.
> 
> 
> 
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Lisle
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

FYI – if you turn the 35 MK I table 90 degrees you can have people eating on 
both sides of the boat.


Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:38 PM
To: CnClist <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Dennis C. <capt...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table

Lisle,

One other thing you might ask yourself is why is the C's table a fold down vs 
the Tartan's fold up bulkhead mount.  The answer lies in the location of the 
forward bulkhead and mast.  Where does that 2-3 feet go?

In the C, it's part of the dinette.  The bulkhead is more forward opening up 
the main saloon more.

In the Tartan, the bulkhead is more aft making the main saloon smaller but 
possibly adding to the V-berth.

Personally, I prefer a dinette layout to a double settee layout.  I think it's 
really nice to have friends sit around the dinette style table rather than 
across from each other in the double settee layout.  Just my preference.

In my 35-1 I kind of get the best of both.  The overall layout of the 35-1 is 
more like the Tartan in that the mast is by the forward bulkhead.  The table 
sits on a pedestal in the middle of the dinette.  I can remove the table and 
pedestal (but not the pedestal base) to create nearly the same open area as the 
Tartan.  Some boats have a flush mount pedestal base for the table.  That's 
even better because the base isn't in the middle of the space to trip over.  I 
can also lower the table, add the filler cushions and convert the dinette to a 
berth or, in your case, a really nice play area for the kids.

There are some different interior layouts out there.  One that I like is the 
Beneteau 361.  (I like the interior layout, not necessarily the boat.)  It has 
a dinette style with the table around the compression post.  Under the table is 
a slide bar.  Pull the slide bar out and the table can be placed in one of 3 
positions; lowest as a filler to convert the dineete to a berth, middle, for 
dining and lastly high, in which case it is up against the headliner to create 
an open space.

Just more to clog your mind.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much 
narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this 
point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted 
on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing 
and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open 
cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.



https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8


Thanks,

Lisle


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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Lisle,

One other thing you might ask yourself is why is the C's table a fold
down vs the Tartan's fold up bulkhead mount.  The answer lies in the
location of the forward bulkhead and mast.  Where does that 2-3 feet go?

In the C, it's part of the dinette.  The bulkhead is more forward opening
up the main saloon more.

In the Tartan, the bulkhead is more aft making the main saloon smaller but
possibly adding to the V-berth.

Personally, I prefer a dinette layout to a double settee layout.  I think
it's really nice to have friends sit around the dinette style table rather
than across from each other in the double settee layout.  Just my
preference.

In my 35-1 I kind of get the best of both.  The overall layout of the 35-1
is more like the Tartan in that the mast is by the forward bulkhead.  The
table sits on a pedestal in the middle of the dinette.  I can remove the
table and pedestal (but not the pedestal base) to create nearly the same
open area as the Tartan.  Some boats have a flush mount pedestal base for
the table.  That's even better because the base isn't in the middle of the
space to trip over.  I can also lower the table, add the filler cushions
and convert the dinette to a berth or, in your case, a really nice play
area for the kids.

There are some different interior layouts out there.  One that I like is
the Beneteau 361.  (I like the interior layout, not necessarily the boat.)
It has a dinette style with the table around the compression post.  Under
the table is a slide bar.  Pull the slide bar out and the table can be
placed in one of 3 positions; lowest as a filler to convert the dineete to
a berth, middle, for dining and lastly high, in which case it is up against
the headliner to create an open space.

Just more to clog your mind.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty
> much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at
> this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table
> mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be
> day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm
> thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison
> pics link below.
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Lisle
>
>
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Everyone's criteria is different.  How folks use their boats is also a
consideration.  Both boats look nice.  Both are quality built.

I guess I'm strange but my starting point is always the rig and how the
sailing load is supported.  Are the chain plates attached to a bulkhead or
are the shroud loads carried directly down to the hull?

Next I look at the propulsion system.

Finally, I look at layout and amenities.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 5:09 AM, Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty
> much narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at
> this point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table
> mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be
> day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm
> thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison
> pics link below.
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Lisle
>
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Re: Stus-List opinions about cabin table

[Damian Greene via CnC-List]

Lisle,

Here are a couple of considerations both ways (and both boat interiors look 
great)…

We recently switched from a C 34 (table similar to C 30), to a Sabre 38 
(table similar to Tartan 31). I much prefer that I can swing the table up on 
the bulkhead. That is now our standard configuration while underway, giving us 
all open space down below. Similar to the Tartan, we have the grab-rails under 
the windows, which really helps while moving around.

However that is with just two of us on the boat. Likely with the C you will 
leave the port leaf up most of the time (that’s what we did). With kids, you 
may be able to get away with everyone seated around the dinette in the C, and 
not have to put up the second leaf. That will make life easier at mealtimes, if 
people can still access the forward cabin (invariably just when everyone is 
seated). That is not an option with the Tartan, as you have to put up the leaf 
to get usable surface – probably every time. 

So in balance – C

Regards,

Damian

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:09 AM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Cc: Lisle Kingery, PhD
Subject: Stus-List opinions about cabin table

Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much 
narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this 
point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table mounted 
on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be day-sailing 
and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm thinking the more open 
cabin might work better with the kids. comparison pics link below.



https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8


Thanks,

Lisle

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[Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the helpful replies on cabin table options. I've pretty much
narrowed my boat choices down to either a C 30MKii or a Tartan 31 at this
point. The Tartan's interior appears more open with the folding table
mounted on the bulkhead vs. the fixed table on the C I will mainly be
day-sailing and hanging out on the dock with a few overnights so I'm
thinking the more open cabin might work better with the kids. comparison
pics link below.



https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5w1TuAY4gTRam1qNlBuWExhSW8



Thanks,


Lisle
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Danny,

Here's a link to a picture of Touche's dinette.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsWVFkaGlHeTJCN3M

Here's a link to a plan drawing:

http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=1800

Dennis C.


On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


> I'd like to see a photo of what you guys mean by dinette
>
>
>
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[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

A lot depends on the size of the boat and its configuration besides the table.  
Our is fixed midships in the main cabin with folding leaves, storage in the 
center section.  Serves as a nice place to steady yourself while underway.  
With leaves up is a great dining / food prep / card playing surface.   
Starboard berth has swing out base so converts to a cozy double bunk.  We find 
smaller children like the forepeak to play in.  We like it

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2017 4:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey
Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions on cabin table

 

 Our boat came with a fixed table with folding leaves.  I took it out.  I've 
recently realised the purpose off the fixed table.  It makes for a sea berth 
while underway and will keep you from rolling of the berth. 

 

Of course, we don't do any overnight passages currently so, we're just leaving 
it out. 

 

I do like the ones that food up against the bulk head.  I'd like to see a photo 
of what you guys mean by dinette

 

 

 

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 

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Date: 10/8/17 3:36 PM (GMT-05:00) 

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Cc: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> 

Subject: Re: Stus-List opinions on cabin table 

 

Agree with Gary.  We love the dinette layout on Touche'.  

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

Get a boat with a dinette, fixed table but not in the way.

Gary

30-1 (ancient)

 

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Kingery, PhD via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 2:30 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List opinions on cabin table

 

Hi all,

 

I'm interested in opinions about having a fixed table in the middle of the 
cabin vs. a table that folds down and out of the way when not in use. As I 
obsess over boat features this is emerging as an important consideration. I'll 
have 2 kids on board sometimes (ages 6 and 4) and I'm thinking having the open 
space might be really nice vs. having the table in the way all the time. Thanks 
in advance for any opinions on this issue.

 

Best regards,

 

Lisle


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Re: Stus-List opinions on cabin table

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

 Our boat came with a fixed table with folding leaves.  I took it out.  I've 
recently realised the purpose off the fixed table.  It makes for a sea berth 
while underway and will keep you from rolling of the berth. 
Of course, we don't do any overnight passages currently so, we're just leaving 
it out. 
I do like the ones that food up against the bulk head.  I'd like to see a photo 
of what you guys mean by dinette


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 Original message From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 10/8/17  3:36 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: CnClist 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: 
Stus-List opinions on cabin table 
Agree with Gary.  We love the dinette layout on Touche'.  
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Get a boat with a dinette, fixed table but not in the way.Gary30-1 (ancient) 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lisle 
Kingery, PhD via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 2:30 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List opinions on cabin table Hi all, I'm interested in opinions 
about having a fixed table in the middle of the cabin vs. a table that folds 
down and out of the way when not in use. As I obsess over boat features this is 
emerging as an important consideration. I'll have 2 kids on board sometimes 
(ages 6 and 4) and I'm thinking having the open space might be really nice vs. 
having the table in the way all the time. Thanks in advance for any opinions on 
this issue. Best regards, Lisle
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Re: Stus-List opinions on cabin table

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Agree with Gary.  We love the dinette layout on Touche'.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Gary Nylander via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Get a boat with a dinette, fixed table but not in the way.
>
> Gary
>
> 30-1 (ancient)
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Lisle
> Kingery, PhD via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 8, 2017 2:30 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Stus-List opinions on cabin table
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I'm interested in opinions about having a fixed table in the middle of the
> cabin vs. a table that folds down and out of the way when not in use. As I
> obsess over boat features this is emerging as an important consideration.
> I'll have 2 kids on board sometimes (ages 6 and 4) and I'm thinking having
> the open space might be really nice vs. having the table in the way all the
> time. Thanks in advance for any opinions on this issue.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Lisle
>
> ___
>
> The bills have started coming in for the year 2018 and have gone up
> again.  October will be our fund raising month.  Please consider sending a
> small contribution to help keep this list running.  Use PayPal to send
> contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> All contributions are greatly appreciated!
>
>
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Re: Stus-List opinions on cabin table

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

Get a boat with a dinette, fixed table but not in the way.

Gary

30-1 (ancient)

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lisle 
Kingery, PhD via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 2:30 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Lisle Kingery, PhD <lisle.king...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List opinions on cabin table

 

Hi all,

 

I'm interested in opinions about having a fixed table in the middle of the 
cabin vs. a table that folds down and out of the way when not in use. As I 
obsess over boat features this is emerging as an important consideration. I'll 
have 2 kids on board sometimes (ages 6 and 4) and I'm thinking having the open 
space might be really nice vs. having the table in the way all the time. Thanks 
in advance for any opinions on this issue.

 

Best regards,

 

Lisle

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Stus-List opinions on cabin table

[Lisle Kingery, PhD via CnC-List]

Hi all,

I'm interested in opinions about having a fixed table in the middle of the
cabin vs. a table that folds down and out of the way when not in use. As I
obsess over boat features this is emerging as an important consideration.
I'll have 2 kids on board sometimes (ages 6 and 4) and I'm thinking having
the open space might be really nice vs. having the table in the way all the
time. Thanks in advance for any opinions on this issue.

Best regards,

Lisle
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